Quran-burning preacher defines “idiot”

A few years back, I hosted a weekly radio program, “Bob Barr’s Laws of the Universe.”  In recognition of the fact that the first Law of the Universe is, ”The World is Full of Idiots,” each week we would identify one or more members of that large class of persons as rising above the rest, as “Idiot of the Week.”  At the final show each year, we would announce the idiots par excellence as “Idiots of the Year” awardees.  Given the plethora of idiots from which to choose over the course of the year, identifying those truly outstanding idiots worthy of annual recognition was a difficult task; but one we somehow managed to accomplish.

Were I still hosting the show, I have no doubt that for the final show of 2010, one of the finalists for “Idiot of the Year” would be the Rev. Terry Jones of Gainesville, Florida.  Jones is the so-called preacher who is hosting and calling for a Quran-burning party this coming Saturday, September 11th.  Unlike pastors of bona fide churches, Jones’ “Dove World Outreach Center” spends its time and resources preaching hatred of Islam; something its webpage refers to as, ”getting up.” 

While the primary focus of “DWOC” (an acronym the Center itself uses for short-hand references to itself) is Islam, it might just as well be Judaism, since the Center identifies the cardinal sin of Islam to be its belief that “any religion .  .  .  which teaches that Jesus is not the Son of God” is “of the devil.”

Apparently oblivious to much of reality, Rev. Jones appears to care not that staging a highly-publicized book-burning event concentrating on the Quran may — as Gen. David Petraeus has noted from his perspective as the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan — place American troops in danger.  Jones certainly cares even less that Attorney General Eric Holder accurately describes the planned pyrotechnic pic nic as “idiotic.”  In this assessment, however, both Holder and Petraeus are describing the Gainesville preacher in overly generous terms.

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BigJake

September 8th, 2010
10:06 am

The guy is obtuse. He has no sense of what his actions will cause around the world to our forces that are already in harm’s way, not to mention any other western Christian that would suffer. His actions scream of attention only to himself and his appointed “cause”, whatever that may be. I agree to call him merely an idiot does a disservice to idiots everywhere.

Hans

September 8th, 2010
10:07 am

As we all know, general Patreaus knows, Hillary Clinton knows, the extremist christian Koran burners from Florida know, the ground zero mosque planners know and president Obama knows there was not a single Muslim involved in the 9/11 crime.
We are all involved in playing the game as if there was a Muslim attack back in 2001. The US media, the BBC and all the world wide networks playing the same psychological game, because they receive their money from the same banking cartel with its main office in London.
The Koran burning scam just before the 11th of September 2010 is designed to distract the simple US citizen from (after nine years!) the real story behind the impossible Muslim conspiracy plus the impossible destruction of 3 World Trade Center skyscrapers in 2001.

Scout

September 8th, 2010
10:13 am

Tigers Woody :

I don’t but Jesus did. If you can’t figure it out from those verses then I can’t help you. By the way, they were spoken to the “religious” leaders of His day who were out to kill Him.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

September 8th, 2010
10:16 am

While I do not disagree with our host’s appellation for Pastor Jones – by the way, I thought Terry Jones was a founder of Monty Python’s Flying Circus – I think some perspective is necessary. “Idiot of the Year” requires comparatively serious consideration, and given that ObamaCare passed this year, with potentiality for far-greater long-term adverse repercussions for the US, surely there is a cast of greater candidates within our Congress. Or given that Fearless Leader nominated Lady Kaga to the Supreme Court despite her history of profound opposition to recruiting efforts by our noble military, one would have to consider Chauncey for the title, second year running.

einstein

September 8th, 2010
10:23 am

also the definition of an idiot is someone who does the same thing over and over again and expects different results, republicans are a great example of this, we’ve tried having every war we can and entitlement programs for the rich intensively for the last 30 years, note to self: IT AIN’T WORKING!!!!!!!!!!!! beating that dead horse of blaming the boogeyman liberal is not going to fix anything either. time for the people who preach ‘united we stand’ the most to stop dividing our country for all the wrong reasons and start working together for America otherwise we are surely doomed. add religion in our government to the mix and you can just open up your history books and see things coming to an awful end, oh wait, that’s what they are hoping for, the rapture, armageddon, neither are good long term business plans. and to nothing and remain neutral is guilt by omission. that’s why the meek deserve to inherit the earth, after i’ts just a red hot smoking wasteland, should spoke up and not in favor of evil rich selfish greedy people who show the greatest dishonor by hurting others while hiding behind god, patriotism and little children. shameless cowards.

j0hn

September 8th, 2010
10:34 am

It would make me really angry to see a church burning a science textbook. However, I would not attempt to infringe on their absolute right to do so, nor would I retaliate.

We tell noble lies of a land of the free. We like to think that we value liberty enough here to allow for the free expression of things we personally might disagree with or find offensive; most recently, proposals for a near ground zero mosque and now the [private] burning of a popular book. Many people are very offended by one or both of those proposals.
Yes, there are significant security implications indeed. We consistently sacrifice liberty for security, something Franklin warned against. If government attempts to prohibit the burning, it will reinforce terrorists’ belief that fear is an effective way to get what they want. Further, fear is not a legitimate reason to attempt to strip people of their rights.
What type of message would it send if we try to deny either group such basic fundamental rights as freedom of belief/religious practice and freedom of speech/free expression? While both of these proposals are insensitive and offensive, so long as they are peaceful, they must be allowed. While perhaps temporarily uncomfortable, these occasional tests and trials regarding issues of liberty, tolerance, Constitutionality, and the human ability to challenge each other intellectually with arguments and protests (as opposed to trying to solve problems with military force or any other violence) may be crucial to reaffirming our commitment to the values we profess.

DNCBulldawg

September 8th, 2010
10:38 am

DAWGFAN 86 wrote: Hey bob, do the muslims not BURN THE AMERICAN FLAG AND CHANT “DEATH TO AMERICA”??? They get offended if we talk about burning the quran, but disrespect our pride “OLD GLORY” almost everyday!! Is there a double standard here?? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!!!

This comment perfectly illustrates the problem of American civil religion. Many of us equate patriotism with Christianity; we do not know the difference between the U.S. flag, the Stars and Stripes, and the Cross of Christ. Burning a bunch of the Gideon New Testaments would be the equivalent of burning the Quaran; it has nothing to do with burning the Stars and Stripes. Most U.S. citizens worship the U.S. flag and will kill for it, but few U. S. citizens worship the God of Abraham (and Jesus who forgave his enemies while willingly hanging on the cross to which they had nailed him to die).
In a word, we are not idiots; we are idolaters! We worship the American way of life!

Stephen Millhollin

September 8th, 2010
10:47 am

I am an atheist. All religions, especially those that take themselves seriously, deserve ridicule.

j0hn

September 8th, 2010
10:50 am

Those who sacrifice liberty for security will lose both………

Tigers Woody

September 8th, 2010
10:51 am

Well praise be Scout. God bless you. I look forward to you coming up with something original rather than citing quotes from someone else.

redneckbluedog

September 8th, 2010
10:54 am

Oh, I agree…..but, the larger question here is: Why is it that whackos like this always seem to pull the “Republican” or “Tea Party” lever at the polls…You never seem to see moderates or even progressive Democrats involved in these types of controversies…except maybe that crazy ass Angelina Jolie..but just look at who her dad is….:-)…..

heartlandboy

September 8th, 2010
10:55 am

all the christian missionaries working in muslim countries are loving this dimwit’s publicity stunt, you betcha.

Scout

September 8th, 2010
10:58 am

Tigers Woody:

Mr. Barr brought it up in his thread: “since the Center identifies the cardinal sin of Islam to be its belief that “any religion . . . which teaches that Jesus is not the Son of God” is “of the devil.”

I merely quoted what Jesus said about it. Don’t you think that would be important to know or are you one of those who just picks out the verses that “you” like?

Scout

September 8th, 2010
11:01 am

All religions are not equal.

Up until the late 1950’s there were still tribes in Africa who sacrificed childrne to the Crocadile God.

Now ……….. should that religion have been “tolerated” and seen as “equal to Christianity” ?

I think not.

P.S. There are religions today wherein some of the males like to acquire as many very young females as their “wives”. Do we tolerate that?

I think not.

Scout

September 8th, 2010
11:02 am

Excuse me ……….. “children”

Esha

September 8th, 2010
11:05 am

Donna
I guess the main thing what every religion preaches is being tolerant towards each other.Dis stupid action of this moron Terry will not just make people strt disliking chritianity but will also inculcate in them the need for revenge. U knw the problem is that people just can’t live peacefully.Y does evryone has to be up in arms against muslims and islam. I guess if people really leave the muslims alone their wont be any more suicide bombings. Every religion has its demerits but the demerits are actually in the people and not in the religion as such. Even I hate the stonings of women but their are other ways of changing things instead of burning the sacred scriptures. Live and let live. And yes I am a muslim and I proud to be one and one thing I slam never preaches killings not under any circumstances. So people, stop blaming islam and blame the people who have redefined its meanings…

Deryl Hatch

September 8th, 2010
11:05 am

Don’t burn it. Learn something about it! Qur’an Reading Day 9/11

Join the event on Facebook, Everywhere USA

Sign up to pledge to read from the Qur’an this September 11 as an act of solidarity with your Muslim brothers and sisters around the world. Not to take away from the solemn dignity that all people deserve who were affected by the horrific violence of terrorists that day, but take at least a moment to learn something new about a world tradition that has given us all so much, and to counter the awful sentiments of hatred and ignorance that can drag any of us down if we aren’t careful.

Barack

September 8th, 2010
11:07 am

Let me be perfectly clear. I applaud this citizens right to present his views. That is one aspect of what makes this country great…other than Obamacare. But make no mistake…I have a place on my mantle, right next to the Nobel Prize… that is reserved for the Idiot of the Year award. I’ll be damned if I am going to let him take it from me.

AACMMARCH

September 8th, 2010
11:08 am

Well, Bulldwag and others. Not only Muslims burned the American flag . All peoples invaded or oppressed by USA did so, whether they are Muslims , Christians or Buddhists. Rev. Jones could burn the flags of Iran, Saudi Arabia or Egypt . I never heard of any Muslim burn the bible or the Torah. I am sure that people like rev. Jones and other Muslim haters are not aware of the fact that Muslims revere Jesus more than they do. They also respect the Bible and Torah. I think this insanity should be stopped.

Scout

September 8th, 2010
11:17 am

AACMMARCH:

If they revere Jesus so much, how come they won’t even allow Bibles into their country?

I wish there were Bibles in Islamic countries to be burned. At least they would be getting some truth.

Scout

September 8th, 2010
11:18 am

AACMMARCH:

P.S. File this issue under “free speech”.

As the Supreme Court has said, not all speech is pleasant.

Mrs. Norris

September 8th, 2010
11:19 am

And yet if the media would just ignore him, he could excercise his freedom of religion and nobody would even know about his little church. Simple, huh?

AACMMARCH

September 8th, 2010
11:23 am

Yes Scout there are millions of Christians living in Arab and Islamic countries. As a matter of fact they are the real christians who are the descendants of the apostles and earliest followers of Jesus. The problem is that we in this country are closed minded and know nothing about the rest of the world. Wake up America.

Scout

September 8th, 2010
11:24 am

American Muslim organization says President Obama is wrong
August 15, 2010
AIFD
American Islamic Forum for Democracy

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

“PHOENIX (August 15, 2010) – Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser, a devout Muslim and the president and founder of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy issued the following statement regarding remarks from President Obama on the proposed mosque and Islamic Center at Ground Zero:

“As an American Muslim whose family fled persecution in Syria and as someone who has stood in the face of some resistance to the building of many of our houses of worship in the U.S., I fully understand the value of standing for religious freedom in America. But President Obama’s statement about the Ground Zero mosque at last night’s White House Iftar dinner is the latest example of political correctness gone awry.

The President commented that:

“Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country. And that includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in Lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances. This is America.”

Yes, Mr. President, this is America and you have fundamentally misunderstood the stakes in this discussion and the sentiments of the American people. Instead, you have focused on the very issue that the Islamist propagandists wish you to– the narrative that Americans somehow need lectures about Islam, Muslims, and religious freedom.

Your message to Americans will be spun on Al Jazeera and by Islamists across the world that President Obama reassured a friendly global Muslim audience at the White House Ramadan dinner that he was going to remind Americans about the principles of religious freedom for Muslims since they seem to be trampling over those principles in the local dispute at Ground Zero in New York.

Mr. President this is not about religious freedom. It is about the importance of the World Trade Center site to the psyche of the American People. It is about a blatant attack on our sovereignty by people whose ideology ultimately demands the elimination of our way of life. While Imam Faisal Rauf may not share their violent tendencies he does seem to share a belief that Islamic structures are a political statement and even Ground Zero should be looked upon through the lens of political Islam and not a solely American one.

As a Muslim desperate to reform his faith, your remarks take us backwards from the day that my faith will come into modernity. I do not stand to eliminate Imam Rauf’s religious freedom; I stand to make sure that my children’s religious freedom will be determined by the liberty guaranteed in the American Constitution and not by clerics or leaders who are apologists for shar’iah law and will tell me what religious freedom is.

‘Park 51′, ‘The Cordoba House’ or whatever they are calling it today should not be built, not because it is not their right to do it – but because it is not right to do it.” Mr. President, your involvement in this issue is divisive not uniting. Your follow-up stating that ‘you will not speak to the wisdom of the construction of that mosque and center’ indicates a passive-aggressive meddling on your part that only marginalizes those Muslim and non-Muslim voices against it while pretending to understand both sides of the debate.”

http://www.aifdemocracy.org/news.php?id=6131

Interesting how the Islamists think nothing of the damage they are doing to hundreds of 9/11 families by buidling the mosque at Ground Zero but get their panties all in a wad over someone burning a couple of Korans.

Scout

September 8th, 2010
11:27 am

AACMMARCH :

You are still ignoring my 8:32 and what Jesus said.

“He that believes in Me is not condemned but he that does not believe is condemned already because he does not believe in the name of the Son of God.”

Scout

September 8th, 2010
11:29 am

P.S. to AACMMARCH :

I assume you have a Bible in your home?

Uncle jessie

September 8th, 2010
11:31 am

Burn a koran in florida, creates uproar round the world, muslims threatens to kill american soldiers, etc.. Put up 50 anti-religion billboards in atlanta, sounds like an insult to Christians, will them same folks protest that. might be a double standard at work, what do you think.

Scout

September 8th, 2010
11:41 am

Uncle jessie:

………….. or bury a woman up to her waist and stone her to death.

That hardly even makes the news and the liberals/Main Stream Media couldn’t care less.

DNCBulldawg

September 8th, 2010
11:41 am

If you doubt that most U.S. citizens practice American Civil Religion, then why do we call our flag, “Old Glory,” when only Glory belongs to God (of Moses, Jesus and, yes, Muhammad). DJB asks the correct question, What Would Jesus Do? [A: Not burn books, I am certain; Jesus said, “And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.” (John 10:16, KJB) If Jesus were to retell the story which we now call the “Parable of the Good Samaritan, He would identify the one who shows mercy as a PALESTINIAN. That’s how radical and liberal, for you conservatives that Jesus is!

Perhaps, idiots and idolaters are the same. We worship the Stars and Stripes, not the true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (and Jesus) (and Muhammad). If all of the Christians, Jews and Muslims were to worship this one true God, then idolatry — and most idiocy — would cease. Terry Jones is an idiot–and an idolater! Are you?

richard nixon

September 8th, 2010
11:44 am

i do not condone this idiot, but why is it that whenever an american flag is burnt in some middle eastern country, americans are like ’so what?’
the pride of the islam followers surely is greater than most americans pride in their country.

Dennis

September 8th, 2010
11:48 am

Tigers Woody is the IDIOT here and a muslim BOOT LICKER.Like the preacher said its about time the week need liberals stop kissing the muslims ASS . If the preacher needs some gas to get the fire going i’ll bring 5 gallons.

Scout

September 8th, 2010
11:57 am

DNCBulldawg :

Now here is some doctrine you need to consider :

“Jesus said, ‘I and the Father are One. Whoever has seen Me has seen the Father”

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word WAS God.”

“And the disciples said (to Jesus), ‘if you will just show us the Father we will be satisfied.’ And Jesus replied, ‘Have I been with you so long already and you don’t know Me?”

woodie

September 8th, 2010
11:57 am

The fact that we care what Rev Jones does makes us all idiots.

j0hn

September 8th, 2010
12:06 pm

woodie is correct.

Tigers Woody

September 8th, 2010
12:08 pm

Dennis…you jez put in yo teef and hop in yo truck and bring yo can of gas down here. Don’t spill nun of yer PBR now. weez a waitin fer ya

Drawing Black Lines

September 8th, 2010
12:26 pm

The church members have the right to burn the Qu’ran though I disagree and feel that they should be sensitive to the effects it could have on the troops abroad. Also, I agree that those behind the construction of the NYC Mosque have the right to build there but should be sensitive as well.

Any liberals out there want to explain why you are so hypocritical on this issue? Anybody?

Drawing Black Lines

September 8th, 2010
12:28 pm

BS Aplenty

September 8th, 2010
12:29 pm

Burning a Quran is almost as idiotic as, well, building a mosque next to the debris that was the World Trade Center. But EVEN MORE idiotic is the “politically correct” response of the Obama Administration:

David Axelrod, senior adviser to President Barack Obama told CNN Wednesday morning: “The reverend may have the right to do what he’s doing but it’s not right. It’s not consistent with our values … I hope that his conscience and his good sense will take hold.”

Where, oh where, Obama was your faux indignation when the idea of a mosque next to the World Trade Center was being proffered? Shouldn’t you defend the good reverend on the basis of his freedom of speech? Where was the indignation of the Muslim world when this mosque proposal was being floated around the international media? They were silent, very, very silent.

Foolish or not, the good reverend has the, dare I say it, God-given right to burn ANY book he wants.

Drawing Black Lines

September 8th, 2010
12:29 pm

WELL SAID /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\

Drawing Black Lines

September 8th, 2010
12:31 pm

Liberals are pathetic. Interesting that they try to say conservatives are stupid and uneducated, not matching up to the elitism that they espouse. Pathetic

Anti-jihadist

September 8th, 2010
12:33 pm

A thought experiment: How long before Salvador Dali’s “blasphemous” caricature of Mohammed burning in hell is expunged from art history classes? How about Auguste Rodin? or Gustave Dore?

Each of these artists caricatured Mohammed’s suffering in Hell— as related in Dante’s trilogy “The Divine Comedy” [Inferno XXVIII, 19-42]. http://zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/dantes_inferno/

The same forces that repeatedly plot to destroy the fresco of Dante’s Inferno in Bologna’s Church of San Petronio remain at work today.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2205263.stm

And if Western media remain unwilling to fight this battle, what’s to stop the global Taliban from silencing any and every expression Muslims deem “offensive”? Archived depictions of Mohammed serve as a poignant reminder that such imagery has been part of Western AND ISLAMIC culture since the Middle Ages— and serve as a resource for those interested in defending free expression.
http://zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/

Just Another Female Veteran

September 8th, 2010
12:33 pm

Bob – you are so right! “the first Law of the Universe is, ”The World is Full of Idiots,”…” And we no doubt have our fair share right here in the good ol’ USA. For far too many, the “Ground Zero Mosque” issue is merely a catalyst for unleashing the pent-up, unabashed HATRED and FEAR of that which they do not understand. This so-called preacher is the perfect example of such an ignorant reactionary. He and his followers are so blinded by FEAR and HATE that they can not see or handle real truth.

Don’t these idiots realize that we are pouring 100s of billions of dollars into the Middle East for the supposed benefit of preserving freedom and building democracy for 100s of millions of MUSLIMS?? What the hell do they think our troops are doing over there? geeesh

Peter

September 8th, 2010
12:36 pm

I can only see this going from bad to worse.

If god’s on his side, just wondering why he needs a .40-caliber pistol.

Live by the sword, die by the sword. (Matthew 26:52)

Tommy Maddox

September 8th, 2010
12:40 pm

They were going to have a good old fashioned witch burning but Pelosi escaped…

DawgDad

September 8th, 2010
12:47 pm

I saw news reports on this Pastor/Church flagged with pictures of people stomping on the American Flag, and I got to watch an American flag burned by Middle Eastern people on TV last night. That, I can assure you, is just as offensive to me as a burning Quran is to them.

Regardless of how idiotic this Pastor is, what he’s doing is no worse than a group posting anti-religion billboards (see AJC web site lead story right now). No worse.

If American troops die overseas he is NOT responsible. The people killing our troops or ordering them to kill our troops are responsible, regardless of what motivates them. When we abandon the concept of personal responsibility we are – doomed. Period. It may be a slow doom, but it will be doom. Look around and see where the apologists and the Robin Hoods are taking us.

Look, this Pastor is a loon, no doubt. But two wrongs don’t make a right.

Billy Bob

September 8th, 2010
12:47 pm

Look people this guy is just trying to express his anger just like anyone else. He may not be doing it the way that makes alot of people happy but if it works for him well thats his choice. As far as these Muslims making threats on a daily basis, all Muslims aren’t the same, the ones that are pychotic and think they are bad asses should step up into the open and fight like men. We will wipe you off the earth and make it a better place for the normal hard working peaceful Muslims.

thebob.bob

September 8th, 2010
12:53 pm

According to Bush and his “Stop Terrorism” cheerleading squad, when an extreme and radical religious group is about to engage in activities that threaten National Security and the lives of America soldiers who are fighting for Freedom and the American Way, the President should not hold back and should engage in a preemptive strike.
Why hasn’t Obama arrested Terry Jones and the entire bunch or radical Christianists down in Florida, tracked down their financial supporters and thrown them all in jail for the duration of the “War” on terrorism???? If one US soldier dies because of their Q’ran burning, they should be charged with Treason!

Matthew Cole

September 8th, 2010
12:58 pm

While this pastor’s decision is troubling, what is more troubling are the consequences we can automatically expect to follow. If someone were to deface Jewish, Christian, Buddhist, or Hindu icons, we wouldn’t expect those people to suddenly go on a killing rampage. It’s just Islam that we have to worry about. If you want to choose an idiot of the year, how about those Muslim idiots who are going to commit acts of violence because of this?

Matthew Cole

September 8th, 2010
1:01 pm

@thebob.bob

Does the 1st Amendment mean nothing to you? If a U.S. soldier dies it will be the fault of the crazy Muslim who killed him, not the pastor burning privately owned books on private property. Fascists like yourself are more dangerous than this pastor.

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