Latest anti-immigration laws reek of “Big Brother-ism”

A large mural in Fremont, Nebraska depicts all manner of individuals holding or waving American flags — apparently to show that this city of 25,000 in the country’s heartland stands for freedom and liberty.  The reality, based on a vote of its citizens on Monday, is quite different.  According to the new law, no one in Fremont will be able to rent or lease a home, apartment, or even a bedroom in an assisted-living center, without first applying for and being granted an “occupancy permit” from the local police.

Let me repeat — in the “All-American” town of Fremont, Nebraska, before anyone over the age of 18 can rent or lease a house, apartment, or room (or even move from one rented room to another one), they will have to go to the police, fill out an application, pay a fee, and obtain a permit in order to avoid criminal charges being brought against them and/or the person who rents to them.

The rationale for enacting this outrageous and what in an earlier time would be termed “un-American” edict, is — of course — fighting the influx of illegal aliens into the town; drawn to Fremont as well as to other locales across the country by the need for cheap labor.  However, the grossly disparate and overly broad manner in which Fremont’s citizens have chosen to address this problem, ought to worry Americans everywhere.  The fact that such an ordinance could be enacted and supported proudly by a majority of citizens in any part of the United States, apparently with no understanding of or concern for what it does to undermine the very notion of liberty and freedom, should serve as a clarion call to Americans everywhere that the very foundational principles of our country and our Constitution are in imminent danger.

Fremont’s action follows by several weeks the enactment of a law in Arizona that in essence empowers police in that state to stop anyone, any time, any where to demand their citizenship papers.  The Arizona law, already under constitutional challenge, is being hailed by many so-called “conservative” and Republican office holders and candidates across the country, as an appropriate way to address the problem of illegal immigrants in the country.  At a recent candidates forum in Georgia, for example, each GOP gubernatorial candidate expressed support for the Peach State enacting a measure similar or identical to Arizona’s law, and which would also empower local police to stop individuals and demand to see citizenship papers.

Regardless of whether laws such as those enacted in Arizona or Fremont, Nebraska are stricken down as offensive to our Constitution, the fact that they apparently enjoy the support of a majority of Americans and of many public officials and candidates, is deeply troublesome.  Such measures clearly illustrate that a majority of Americans are willing to grant far-reaching – even arbitrary — powers to law enforcement to infringe their liberty simply to salve their concern over policy disputes.

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mrs. w

June 22nd, 2010
10:41 am

Perhaps they are just sick and tired of illegals taking their liberties and their freedoms and their jobs and are doing what they deem necessary to stop it. Are they going overboard? Maybe so but no one else is helping to stop or even staunch the influx.

A local company should support the local community not foreigners.

C Howell

June 22nd, 2010
10:48 am

“All American” town was the term you used. Americans is the word. If this law is looking for “un-Americans”, then great. Isn’t that why they are termed “illegals”. What is wrong with you people that want to jump down the throat of those who want to abide by the law. THE LAW. We are not “un Americans”. I am an American and if someone else wants to become an American, there are measurers in place to allow that. To ask my residence status is not an infringement on my liberty. It is, again, because cause of the illegals who want my benefits as a citizen without getting citizenship. Shame on you. Shame, shame.

retiredds

June 22nd, 2010
10:50 am

Bob, I agree with you completely on this. There are many in this country who claim they want their country back, blah, blah, blah. If this is what they want it is too bad because it is not what the founders, who were statesmen and not political hacks looking for sound bites, envisioned.

Bob, I have a recommendation for you. You have many good Republican contacts in Washington. How about rounding them up and telling them that they need to get together with their peers across the isle and get a sensible immigration policy done. It will be unpopular because there are those who feel they own this country and don’t want anyone who is different from them to locate here. Several of those are political hacks from GA who won’t compromise one bit and therefore the stalemate. Encourage them to stop “trolling” for votes and pass meaningful legislation, and yes, that would more than likely include a sensible way for those already here to earn citizenship.

And, Bob, I can hear the howls now from those who want to kick all the illegals out.

Son of David

June 22nd, 2010
11:08 am

How much money did the Mexican Drug dealers pay you to write this article?

Jinjeet

June 22nd, 2010
11:24 am

The lies from the media are nothing less than astounding. Never before in the history of America has such propaganda been spread on such a wide level, and Americans are buying every word.

“…law in Arizona that in essence empowers police in that state to stop anyone, any time, any where to demand their citizenship papers.” Wrong! The law in Arizona both prevents ethnicity from being a consideration, AND it requires police to have already stopped or detained someone for some other crime first, UNLIKE federal law which allows authorities to stop, detain, or arrest someone for merely suspecting they are illegal. Check your facts, Barr!

Nevermind, facts aren’t something the media does these days, is it? Facts are completely unimportant when there’s a good lie to get people fired up and afraid. Glenn Beck would be proud of your fear mongering, Barr. Keep up the objective journalism.

scrappy

June 22nd, 2010
11:29 am

Completely agree, and wish others who are obsessed with illegal aliens and following the ‘law’ would open their eyes to this problem. More government? More fees? More useless laws that everyday people have to follow because of the threat of illegal aliens. Where does it end?

During college I moved apartments / dorm rooms a total of 5 times (double that if you count moving home for summer and then back again) So, I would have to apply 10 times and pay 10 fees to move, times that 50,000 students… how much more government just for one college, imagine this at a town any bigger than Fremont? How is applying for permission and paying a tax in order to move NOT seen as an infringement on people’s liberties? Wake up people.

Jeff

June 22nd, 2010
11:36 am

To all you people who think laws like this are for the public good:

I guess the people of Fremont would deny Jesus the right to rent a room there.

Enough said …

MyName

June 22nd, 2010
11:44 am

Banish meat, it’s killing you!

Paul Davis

June 22nd, 2010
11:51 am

The fact that so many of your readers are demonstrating their inability to get your point, Bob, makes your point all the more valid and troubling. Clearly, we are reaping the harvest of more than a century of government schools. They have taught the children well to love authority and hand over their birthright of freedom whenever a politician promises safety or comfort.

The prognosis is not good for those wishing to live their lives as they see fit without the intervention of those who claim to know better.

hsn

June 22nd, 2010
12:00 pm

Mr. Barr, I applaud your consistent defense of individual civil liberties in this country.. something the far right, which claims to detest “government intrusion” appear to crave more and more!!!

Now we know what they really stand for! Brilliant article.

hsn

Jefferson

June 22nd, 2010
12:01 pm

Some people like cupcakes, I myself care less for them.

J

June 22nd, 2010
12:02 pm

I think laws like this are GREAT! This is one step in the fight to get illegals out of our country! If they came over here and only worked and didn’t cause anybody harm, then there wouldn’t be a huge deal about it. However, these people come over here and want to act like gangsters and sell drugs and shoot people. Have any of you lived in a place where there is a huge population of illegals? Its horrible. When I was a kid, our town had a very low crime rate, you didn’t have to lock your doors at night, and you could walk downtown at night and not have to worry about getting mugged or shot. Now, there are places I won’t dare to step foot in because of the massive amounts of illegal aliens and the trouble they bring with them. If they just want to come work here and live a better life, that’s fine. But that is not the case and innocent civilians are the ones being effected by it. We need more laws like this, I would gladly pay extra to move in somewhere where I knew I wasn’t going to be surrounded by illegal gang members and drug dealers.

ReadyToFIGHT

June 22nd, 2010
12:22 pm

“the fact that they apparently enjoy the support of a majority of Americans and of many public officials and candidates, is deeply troublesome.”

No, people of YOUR ilk are deeply troublesome. Now, get the F*CK out of this country.

Vickie

June 22nd, 2010
12:32 pm

ReadyToFight, I love your straightforwardness. Yes, it is troubling when people in this country don’t seem to know or realize the amount of money these millions of welfare class people cost the American taxpayers. Furthermore, they want to suggest it is beyond this country to get rid of this mob that has no more pride in themselves than to demand to be fed at the American trough. Eisenhower deported millions of illegals in the 50’s. Why would it be beyond us now. Oh yes, it does require an Administration that has the wellbeing of American citizens at heart.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

June 22nd, 2010
12:58 pm

I would not conjoin the rationale behind the Arizona law to that of Fremont, NE. The Arizona law does not divest any private property right and thereafter delegate it to the state; Fremont does. Although I decribe myself as a free-immigrationist, I have no objection to laws such as the Arizona legislative directive to require proof of identity in every police transaction; I do object to a law that would prohibit me from renting my property to anyone I choose – Fremont’s requirement is too similar to the evil repaired by the Fair Housing laws in the 1960s.

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June 22nd, 2010
1:07 pm

I think this is an excellent idea. A little far fetched to have this done through the police department. Just make it a law. Then have the apartment agency, through its due diligence and best business practices, run a criminal background investigation on the individual. E-verify and I-9, a ssn trace, and comprehensive criminal history would reveal all those folks deemend “ineligible”. Having the police department do this report is only a revenue producing activity. Let the burden be on the apartment agencies (in compliance with local statute). Our police departments are overtaxed as it is. There are plenty of background screening agencies that can assist in putting together a screening program to gain the same amount of information.

harryo

June 22nd, 2010
1:11 pm

It’s interesting…you have to register with the police and obtain a permit to rent a house or apartment in Fremont, but similar registration is not needed for gun ownership (while you need to undergo a criminal background check to buy a gun in Nebraska, you just fill out a form at place of purchase) in Nebraska. I assume most folks in Fremont, and on this thread, would raise holy hell and call the NRA if anybody in government said they had to march down to police headquarters, register and obtain a permit to own a gun. While I’m a law abiding citizen, I don’t want to register where I live with the police, that’s something Hilter did. If I want to move somewhere and don’t want anybody to know where I live, as long as I’m not breaking the law, isn’t that my right and what freedom is supposed to be about?
Two related notes…folks talk about illegal immigrant related crime…perception conflicts reality..recent FBI crime report shows that violent crime in all four states that border Mexico is down, big cities within 150 miles of the border (LA, San Diego, Phoenix, Tucson, San Antoino, El Paso)have experienced drops in crimes, with the biggest drops in crime occuring in Arizona border cities. Places like Fremont that have cracked down on illegal immigrants have seen local businesses go under because, for better or worse, illegals are spending money at the supermarket, gas station and with landlords. When illegal immigrants, and their families go, they aren’t replaced and local business can’t make up the lost revenue with the remaining residents.

amer i can 2

June 22nd, 2010
1:14 pm

Son of David’s response is exactly why this is so dangerous. He singled out Mexican Americans and drug dealers tend to use white Americans as mules because they are less likely to be searched. Today it seems one can not just disagree you have to go to name calling and defamation of the opponents. What about the European illegals? Everyone is still a human being.

BADA BING

June 22nd, 2010
1:35 pm

Hey guess what Barr? I am looking for a place to live part time after retirement. I am looking all over Central and South America, and I have to register and apply for permission the same as the people in that town. Also, some countries require me to prove that I have monthly income and that I bring a certain amount of money with me into the country. And guess what, that is their rules, I can accept them or MOVE ON.

BADA BING

June 22nd, 2010
1:39 pm

Daddy, did you organize those communities that shot 52 people in Chicago last weekend?

Drooly

June 22nd, 2010
1:52 pm

Bob Barr is an open borders nut who would rather forfiet his country than enforce the laws needed to stop illegal imigration and the demise of the Republic. Let me repeat: Barr supports open borders. The rest of this smoke is a rather funny attempt to sound rational.

harryo

June 22nd, 2010
2:20 pm

The US must be doing something right regarding the southern border in that the dreaded drug war that has plagued the other side of the border has not crossed over to the United States. People who want to do real harm to this country, i.e. terrorists do not dare try to cross the border illegally because of the strong chance that they will be caught. All the recent terrorist activity in this country has been done not by illegal Mexicans, but by US citizens like the unibomber, the Oklahoma City bomber and legal residents like the 9/11 attackers, the shoe and body bombers, and the folks who wanted to blow up Times Square. The country has more to fear from “real terrorists” than from poor illegal Mexicans who, given a chance to become citizens, may raise kids or grandkids who could become US soliders or Homeland Security agents fighting terrorism, the real threat to the USA.

je

June 22nd, 2010
2:38 pm

Barr had an excellent voting record on immigration while in Congress (stopping illegal immigration, reducing legal immigration) but he should discuss how illegal aliens tend to crowd into a housing unit well beyond accepted code and capacity. If you live next door to such a unit it will have a direct effect on an important personal capital market indicator called ‘appraised value’. Be assured your home value will drop. Homeowners in Fremont are only trying to protect themselves.

Geodude

June 22nd, 2010
2:51 pm

These laws would not be necessary if the Federal Government would make all companies go through e-verify system and improve e-verify so that all employees are screened for legal immigration status. The I-9 form has been around for years but the Government doesn’t even want to have the forms submitted to them. Companies cannot be expected to view documents and decide if they are legitimate or not. And to turn someone down for a job based on “our belief that the documents are not legit” would be discriminatory and would subject the company to possible lawsuits.

tm

June 22nd, 2010
3:11 pm

I am increasingly surprised by these so-called “conservatives” that support assinine legislation like this. Either you are for, or you are against, government interfering with our lives. By supporting this kind of legislation, you are saying the government is free to control your every move. Why not become fully socialist? Then the government could at least make sure you have food, too.

It makes no sense, you idiots!!

Just to remind all you white folks … you are all immigrants in this country.

How about you start protesting the LOCAL COMPANIES AND CONTRACTORS that hire illegal immigrants? I can guarantee there are people in your community that have gotten rich by exploiting cheap labor. Why don’t you turn your witch hunts on those people? Because they are white, middle-class hypocrites?

Nebraksa was taken by force from the real natives. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

D. Weiner

June 22nd, 2010
3:24 pm

You go Nebrska! If the Feds can’t deal with immagration then the states must.

Douglas Griffin

June 22nd, 2010
3:29 pm

Why is it so hard to enforce the laws that are already in place regarding immigrants… woa “ILLEGAL”

Jefferson

June 22nd, 2010
4:20 pm

Don’t bitch when the tax bill rolls in.

retiredds

June 22nd, 2010
4:34 pm

It looks like gays and immigrants are the identified patients of the angry Americans who want their country back.

Psychology term describing an individual, usually a child or teen, in a dysfunctional family who: 1) Gets scapegoated and blamed for a family’s problems.

harryo

June 22nd, 2010
5:04 pm

More than anything else, these laws are unconstitutional…what next, are Fremont, NE residents going to vote in favor of printing its own money? While the second amendment is vague and open to court interptation, the consitution is clear about immigration and says it’s strictly a federal role. The courts have slapped down similar measures, which means that the only way states can become involved in immigration enforcement through a constitutional amendment, and the last time that happened was 1971. Not every state has the initiative and referendum process, and maybe measures like the Fremont NE law might be why. Voters can propose and pass measures that are illegal as the day is long; even though a high school civics student can tell you such proposals are illegal. Once these measures are approved, local and state governments must pay millions of dollars in legal costs as these measures are ultimately tossed out by the courts.

Fang1944

June 22nd, 2010
5:20 pm

Egad! Bob Barr on the right side of an issue!

Watch out for those flying cows.

Not Blind

June 22nd, 2010
6:38 pm

All this passing of new laws is stupid. Just require every law enforcement agency in the state to be signed up for 287G. Then do a bunch of aggresive roadblocks, stopping of cars with equipment violations, dui arrests, etc. Flag the illegals for ICE. Problem solved legally.

Everyone needs to check out the local sheriff depts’ online daily docket. Illegals are stupid for the most part. Instead of laying low, NO, they are out driving drunk, being disorderly, driving a vehicle that is a magnet for law enforcement, FISHING, etc. 287G is the current solution.

Immigration reform is a false dream. Meaningful immigration reform will require a modernization of the 14th Amendment and a repeal of the Immigration Act of 1965. There was no way for the ’statesmen’ of earlier periods to forsee how low humans would stoop.

English John

June 22nd, 2010
7:35 pm

You got understand this ! You,ll never stop people from seeking a better life. Not now not ever.
Yes seal off the border, but when people are here seeking a better life treat them as humans. And get this, they are seeking a better life. And they are humans.
But go ahead have a war on humans, like the war on drugs! hows that going ?

AmericanSon1754

June 22nd, 2010
8:08 pm

So long to this column … get ready to lose big time in November … maybe you’ll begin to get the message

Captain America

June 22nd, 2010
9:16 pm

Of course the burden average middle class citizens rather than putting the burden where it belongs, on the employers that break the law and hire illegals. These criminal employers are the whole reason illegal immigrants come here in the first place.

Fine the heck out of these law breaking businessmen, put them out of business, and put them in prison where they belong. Problem solved without violating any American’s rights.

Karl Marx

June 23rd, 2010
5:50 am

This in nothing but a loony-tarian talking point and pure BS. It is sad when Illegal’s are held in higher esteem than actual citizens. by these loons

Jesse Jackson

June 23rd, 2010
7:15 am

Since the socialist black man in the oval office has been extreme in opening our borders to illegal immigrants, why is everyone so surprised at an equally strong response from our citizens to protect our assets from illegal intruders. Our country is villified, but yet people want to come here and freeload at our expense.

leeh1

June 23rd, 2010
7:43 am

“I guess the people of Fremont would deny Jesus the right to rent a room there.”

No, but they would deny the right to Hay Soos, if he was illegal.

Again, what is needed is a single spot on a driver’s license that indicates national citizenship. I don’t suppose you object to having to show a driver’s license if you are stopped by police, do you?

Besides, what I am not seeing in all this argument is an analysis of Mexico’s immigration rules. If I, an American citizen who does not speak Spanish, tried to rent or buy an ocenanfront house in Mexico, what would I need to do? What kind of identification would I need if I suddenly decided to move to Mexico without a visa, permission, etc., and tried to get a job there? Sounds like a good article for a newspaper. Hint, hint.

LibraryJim

June 23rd, 2010
7:47 am

We have sensible immigration laws on the books. If we would just enforce what’s there, the problem, while not going away, would be greatly reduced. Not reform — enforcement!

nelsonhoward

June 23rd, 2010
7:57 am

All Freemont Nebraska wants to do, is know who is living in the city. Cannot blame them for that. If the ones coming in are hispanic, they want to know so they can plan new schools geared for Spainsh speaking children. Today ethnic groups have diferent needs, they may have exotic illnesses that the Medical Clinics want to be ready to treat. What was that inscription over the door that immigrants went through on Ellis Island, “Give me your tired, your hungry, yearning to be Free.” I think that is all Freemont is saying, we just want to know who is coming in. Not anything to do with the Consitution, it is a small city wanting to know who is there so they can help them in the most effective way. Everybody is Constitution preoccupied. There is 1 lawyer for every 500 people, this legal mumbo jumbo keeps them working.

By the way, in August IN the Jamestown, N.Y. area there is a week of speakers all speaking on the Constitution, among them is Sandra Day O’Connor. I have been trying to get people to go, not a lot of interest.

chiu

June 23rd, 2010
8:23 am

they come by the millions through the border, it’s invasion, regardless how you sugar coat it.

Bill

June 23rd, 2010
8:49 am

The same logic and mentality of the people of Fremont made it socially and morally acceptable to the people of Germany during the Holocaust to get rid of the Jews. This is a disturbing trend led mostly by fear and anger among older, white people with prejudice….wait, isn’t that the same demographic in 1940’s Germany that created the vacuum for Hitler to come into power?

Lawrence

June 23rd, 2010
8:59 am

No wonder you were defeated in your quest for a seat in Congress. You should have been “barr-ed”

Will

June 23rd, 2010
9:00 am

“the fact that they apparently enjoy the support of a majority of Americans and of many public officials and candidates, is deeply troublesome”

Why because they are not liberal lawyers? We are a representative republic–the people do count. However you agree with the federal government not doing its job on THIS issue. Does it not make you the same un-American as those who you are claiming to be un-American. We are not going to let you use that term republicans want limited government on this issue of border security. No amnesty is not the answer! Nor will it ever be the answer. Bob you had you shot to make things better. Now it is time for sensible common sense to take control. I pick Palin over your ilk any day.

Will

June 23rd, 2010
9:03 am

Bill

June 23rd, 2010
8:49 am
Tell me how it happened Bill, the democrats were in charge. But the jews were citizens of Germany and migrated as the laws allowed. I guess you are like most liberals if the law is liked then ignore it.

Will

June 23rd, 2010
9:09 am

Lawyers should be taxed at 95% rate with only a guarantee of no less than $7.25hr wages. We need businesses up and running and not activist lawyers screaming about a document they have not read to include the constitution.

Borat

June 23rd, 2010
9:09 am

Bill…listen Einstein…the mentality in Germany was to discriminate, nay exterminate, masses of people because they were deemed to have inferior DNA. The people in Freemont (not that I necessarially agree with their approach) are merely making sure people are legal citizens and not being discriminated against based on their DNA. Go back to Starbucks genius.

Bill

June 23rd, 2010
9:16 am

Unless you are Native American……all of our ancestors came here illegally. Don’t be ignorant.

Cekker

June 23rd, 2010
9:17 am

“Such measures clearly illustrate that a majority of Americans”…

—are tired of the federal governments complete unwillingness, ineffectiveness and ineptitude at dealing with this issue.

States rights anyone?

Really

June 23rd, 2010
9:19 am

From America’s inception there has always been a segment of Americans who espouses freedom and liberty for averyone but “those people”. Latinos are the “those people” of the day. Two generations ago in the south it was the “coloreds”.

joe

June 23rd, 2010
9:23 am

I’m all for keeping the govt out of my business, but when the illegals have the potential to break our system with their massive influx where we have to fund every aspect of their lives (housing, food, clothing, education, etc) then I say we do whatever is necessary until we get our borders secured, all illegals deported and a new immigration policy in place. Fremont rocks and so does AZ!!!

Franklin

June 23rd, 2010
9:27 am

Hey Borat….Listen Einstein…. That’s EXACTLY how it started in Germany in the 1930’s. People were detained for not having their “papers”. Those who were not of Arian descent or looks were “fined”,’detained” or whatever nice spin you call it. They had to get “permits” to run their “foreign” businesses and go to certain areas.To extrapolate from Fremont’s or Arizona’s current actions is NOT a far stretch. It’s a slippery slope to be sure. There’s still a lot of old Jewish folks left wearing tattoos who can still attest to the state “making sure people are legal citizens”. I hardly ever agree with Bob, but this time he is 100% correct.

Borat

June 23rd, 2010
9:32 am

So Bill, using your brilliant logic, unless we are decendencts of native American then our ancestors were illegal immigrants. Did the “native Americans” make it illegal to come here then? What immigration laws did they break? What could our ancestors have done to be here legally, moron?

Steve

June 23rd, 2010
9:47 am

What is a community to do if the federal government doesn’t do its job? This problem is the result of a massive failure of our government to perform its fundamental responsibility of securing our borders. At the same time it has expended enormous resources on doing things it isn’t responsible for, like my health care, my children’s education, etc.

Marcos

June 23rd, 2010
9:51 am

The problem is so many right wing conservatives lack a true education in how this great country works. They are so willing to take the easy way out and in the process throw their rights and REAL liberties out the window. There are plenty of ways to stem the tide of illegal immigration without giving up our rights and freedoms.

Old Man

June 23rd, 2010
10:03 am

Here would be a better solution: Give the meat packing companies that hire these people the corporate death penalty for hiring ineligible workers, seize all of their profits, stocks, and bonds. Publicize their contracts and allow companies that play by the rules bid for their business, and levy criminal charges against their managers.

The problem is with illegal employers. If you owned a meat-packing plant, why would you pay American citizens a minimum wage and insurance, when you can hire a person with no rights who, if he complains will get sent back to his impoverished home country and lose his ability to ever become a US citizen?

The meat-packing industry wants illegal immigrants. They have ZERO interest in providing either good jobs or a safe food supply. (google: pounds of recalled meat).

Al Gore

June 23rd, 2010
10:19 am

Marcos I guess the right wing conservatives lack the benefit or your government education. What is the easy way out that you are referring to? Enforcing our immigration laws? Enlighten us professor.

Gilbert Baeza

June 23rd, 2010
12:46 pm

Bill wrote: “Unless you are Native American……all of our ancestors came here illegally. Don’t be ignorant.”

Saying something ignorant, then asking people not to be ignorant is…well…ignorant.

The Native Americans were defeated in warfare. A new country was established, and everyone who entered the borders, whether from Europe, Asia, Africa, or South America, through LEGAL means, is LEGAL citizen. If one skirts the proper channels, and enters by some means other than naturalization, then that person is an ILLEGAL.

Stating that Native Americans are the only legal immigrants is sheer ignorance of current international law, and proves that you have no logical argument…just baseless rhetoric. Get informed, fool.

Gilbert Baeza

June 23rd, 2010
12:58 pm

Old Man,
You have an excellent idea, but unfortunately this would create an extremely hostile business environment. Competitors would arrange to plant illegals using fake ID’s into other businesses, and then blow the whistle. The list of possible ways in which to set up a business to fail in this way are limitless. Sometimes a business owner genuinely thinks he or she is hiring a legal citizen. The law would definitely be abused.

I do, however, think that your line of reasoning is in the right direction. Punish the ones who do the hiring. Remove the incentive to work here illegally, and the illegal immigration will dry up and go away overnight.

Plato

June 23rd, 2010
1:07 pm

“That’s EXACTLY how it started in Germany in the 1930’s.”

This is known as “argument ad nazium” or “reductio ad hitlerum”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum

This is a fallacy even in first year critical thinking classes. It doesn’t fly in academia or the courtroom. Essentially, this is the claim that the more desperate someone gets in their attempt to damage an opponent in an argument, the more analogies to Nazis or Hitler will be thrown around. It shows just how desperate one becomes to try and prove a point.

For example, Hitler was an animal rights activist. Does this mean that anyone for the rights of animals is automatically wrong in their reasoning? No, of course not!

There is no doubt the Nazis/Hitler committed heinous acts, but to revert to the “argument ad nazium” every time you don’t like something shows that you have an incredibly limited ability to use logic/reason, or to argue a simple point.

Bryan G.

June 23rd, 2010
2:47 pm

Plato – I believe Hitler was a vegetarian, ipso facto…just kidding.

joan

June 23rd, 2010
7:35 pm

They are illegals. Get over it. They don’t belong here. Send them home or shoot them.

Greg in the Highlands

June 23rd, 2010
11:29 pm

Well Bob-”The same logic and mentality of the people of Fremont made it socially and morally acceptable to the people of Germany during the Holocaust to get rid of the Jews. This is a disturbing trend led mostly by fear and anger among older, white people with prejudice….wait, isn’t that the same demographic in 1940’s Germany that created the vacuum for Hitler to come into power?” Yes, that’s true. And most of the Germans were Christians following what the bible tells them to do.

Pdwag

June 24th, 2010
1:25 pm

Seriously? Occupancy permits are common in many towns across the united states. Regardless of citizenship status, they are an absolute crock and obviously nothing but a money making device for the city. It’s a nuisance tax, regardless of how the city veils it. It may be that Fremont used the immigration issue to push for the permits in order for their citizens to be more accepting to the thinly disguised invasion on rights. Shame on Fremont either way.

Eli Jones

June 29th, 2010
6:56 pm

“DID YOU KNOW THAT MUSLIMS ARE EXEMPT FROM OBAMACARE”

Has anyone heard of Dhimmitude? It means surrendering to Muslim Demands and paying Muslims a tax for the right to be non-Muslim: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmitude

Why are Muslims and Christian Scientists exempt from being forced to carry Obamacare?

http://search.aol.com/aol/search?query=muslim+exemption+from+Obamacare&s_it=keyword_rollover

Unbelievable for America!

I had my doubts so I checked with Snopes. There is an exemption for the Muslims in the Health Care Bill. Obama supporters check it out yourself.

Had never heard the word until now—Type it into Google and start reading… Pretty interesting. Note that Muslims and certain other religions are exempt from the Obamacare penalties and it is supported by law. We are surrendering from within! The prez is leading us right down the path to total Muslim control and you don’t even care! Maybe you voted for him but now the truth comes out. Maybe you should rethink what you have done to our country.

Dhimmitude is the Muslim system of controlling non-muslim populations conquered through jihad. Specifically, it is the TAXING of non-muslims in exchange for tolerating their presence AND as a coercive means of converting conquered remnants to islam.

The ObamaCare bill is the establishment of Dhimmitude and Sharia muslim diktat in the United States . Muslims are specifically exempted from the government mandate to purchase insurance, and also from the penalty tax for being uninsured. Islam considers insurance to be “gambling”, “risk-taking” and “usury” and is thus banned. Muslims are specifically granted exemption based on this. How convenient. So I John Smith, as a Christian, will have crippling IRS liens placed against all of my assets, including real estate, cattle, cars and etc. and even accounts receivables, and will face hard prison time because I refuse to buy insurance or pay the penalty tax. Meanwhile, Louis Farrakhan will have no such penalty and will have 100% of his health needs paid for by the de facto government insurance at our expence. Non-muslims will be paying a tax to subsidize muslims. Period. This is Dhimmitude.

Dhimmitude serves two purposes: it enriches the muslim masters AND serves to drive conversions to islam. In this case, the incentive to convert to islam will be taken up by those in the inner-cities as well as the godless Generation X, Y and Z types who have no moral anchor or belief in God! If you don’t believe in Christ to begin with, it is no problem whatsoever to sell Him for 30 pieces of silver. “Sure, I’ll be a muslim if it means free health insurance and no taxes. Where do I sign, brother?” Now all you Obama voters get in line for your free stuff!… However, I suggest you don’t hold your breath!…

I recommend sending this email to all your contacts. This is desperately important and people need to know about it and what the past election has done to all of us!

PS Have you heard about the summit Obama is holding this month in DC for the future Muslim business leaders in the US? He wants to increase their ability to begin business opportunities in the US for the Muslim community! Better start looking for a country that doesn’t cater to the Muslims ~ Austrailia doesn’t because this country will be overrun by Muslims like Europe is currently experiencing.

And you thought our problem was only the illegal Mexicans!……

Lobster

July 9th, 2010
12:59 pm

If this is a free country then I shouldn’t have to prove my status on demand. No authority should be able to make me cough up my “papers” if I am minding my own business. If you are picked up for a crime then it is a different matter. And who in their right mind would trust any politician who says he can solve your problems with a new tax?

If you hire someone here illegally you should be stung in the pocketbook, if you hire 50 your business should cease to exist? And if you bus in illegals from Mexico City (which meat packers have been known to do) you should serve at least 5 or more years.