Blame for border deaths starts with Mexican government

The Mexican government is incensed that two of its citizens have been killed at their country’s border with the United States in the past two weeks, apparently in altercations with U.S. Border Patrol agents.  In the first incident, on May 31st at the border crossing between San Diego and Tijuana, a Mexican migrant died, apparently after being shocked with a stun gun by a border agent.  Just last week, a Mexican teenager was shot by a U.S. agent during a rock throwing incident just outside El Paso, Texas.

Mexican officials, including President Felipe Calderon, have been characteristically quick to blame and condemn Washington for the two deaths; in the case of the San Diego incident, accusing the United States of “torturing” the Mexican to death.  The United States government, for its part, is doing precisely what it should do — conducting an investigation to determine exactly what happened in both instances.

Mexico’s rush to judgment in blaming the United States, is misplaced.  If in fact Mr. Calderon is serious about assigning blame for these unfortunate incidents, he ought to start by looking in a mirror.  One of the primary reasons incidents like this occur (not often, but occasionally), is because Mexico and its federal officials actually encourage its citizens to violate American immigration laws, by facilitating their entry into the U.S. and then finding ways to keep them from having to return to their home country.  The Mexcian government, for example, issues official identification cards to its citizens who are in the United States without proper immigration papers, so they can open bank accounts, secure credit, and engage in other necessary financial transactions.

Exacerbating the problem is the fact that Mexico’s police and military are among the most corrupt in the world, and often deliberately stymie efforts by U.S. law enforcement to investigate drug and other cross-border criminal activities; including immigration law violations.  In fact, according to news accounts, the Mexican federales already are deliberately hampering the FBI’s investigation of the most recent death near El Paso.

If the Mexican government wants someone or something to blame for what’s going on at border crossings between the United States and Mexico, it should start by looking on their side of the border.  Of course, this is unlikely to happen.  During President Calderon’s most recent visit to Washington, D.C. just last month, he went out of his way to blame the United States for the surge in extreme violence that has infected Mexico in recent months.  Obviously it’s much easier to blame the gringos than to start puting your own house in order

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Ragnar Danneskjöld

June 16th, 2010
6:31 am

Fair critique. Our Mexican friends have a grave problem with the drug wars immediately south of our border, admittedly a side effect of our own peculiar drug laws. Just as is the US case whenever an American finds himself in trouble in Singapore or Aruba, the Mexican government perceives a need to speak for domestic consumption, without regard to the underlying merits of the speech.

Eric

June 16th, 2010
6:48 am

Makes sense. You have to ask why do so many want to come to the U.S. in the first place? Why Mexico take care of its own? Hum?

oilly olley

June 16th, 2010
7:12 am

The border with Canada is the longest unharmed border in the world, why is that? You never hear Canada claiming that the U.S. is trying to sneak undocumended aliens into the country. When going through customs, officials never even asked for a drivers license. All they would say was”have a good day.” The states along the border even fly the Canadian flag next to the U.S. Why is Mexico sooooo different? I think it is a common language and heritage that links the U.S. and Canada.

Now in all fairness, you do not hear Mexico screaming at BP to do something about the oil spill, they have a long coast line on the Gulf also. And about The Mexican being tased with fatal consequences, I have been a long anti proponent of the taser, it should only be used as an alternative to deadly force. One individual was tased 17 times and died. Over 200+ suspects have been tased in the last ten years with fatal consequences. 50,000 volts is not a life enhancing experience.

Mexico, for sure, makes the immigration problem problem worse giving documents for illegal aliens to facilitate their adjustment in the U.S. I would solve the solve the whole, entire problem by requiring valid passports for any Mexican national entering this country. End of story.

Halibut

June 16th, 2010
7:16 am

Without drug money, money transfers from illegal Mexican in the US and American tourism to Mexico, the Mexican economy would collapse.

Will

June 16th, 2010
7:26 am

Vote out progressive liberals and use legislation to retake our country. If anyone does not want to punish lawbreakers, they should not be part of government.

Think About It

June 16th, 2010
7:26 am

Bob is right and wrong at the same time.

The Mexican Government is indeed very corrupt, and their actions (and inactions) are doing nothing to help the bad situation they’re in. I understand 100% why Mexican immigrants come here to send money home to their families back home – the government there is more interested in putting money in their cronies’ pockets than developing their country.

However, there’s a saying in Mexico – “So far from god, so close to the United States”. Why does Mexico have so much drug violence? Look at where it is – it’s on the border with the US and along the smuggling routes that lead there. Mexicans aren’t consuming those drugs – WE ARE. The drug violence in Mexico is a direct result of our broken drug policies in the United States.

WHAA

June 16th, 2010
7:29 am

Careful Bob, You are in danger of making sense!!!

Big Gringo

June 16th, 2010
7:51 am

I used to work for a Fortune 5 company. When travelling to Mexico City on business we were not allowed to take cabs (only private transport) because the cab drivers were prone to take you to a remote place and rob you (maybe kill you). We were advised not to seek the police for help becuase they would give the cabbies an escort and take a cut of what they robbed off of you. So the US is to blame for the violence?? Let’s build a deep, wide moat.

senor

June 16th, 2010
7:58 am

dam bob! i thought i was a fan of urs when the immigration article on jessica whatsherface came out. but this article is too vague. no concrete facts! for instance…….”One of the primary reasons incidents like this occur (not often, but occasionally)”……………WHAT??!!!??? what kind of statement is that? why dont u just say “this is what i think/feel” rather than make it sound like an actual fact. sounds like ur trying to get a reaction out of folks. i know u can do better! please do

joe

June 16th, 2010
8:04 am

Did ya’ll read the population growth story in AJC online today? Funny, not one single mention of illegal immigration causing or adding to the minority growth in metro atlanta, esp. Gwinnett. Here’s a quote from the story:

“The population shift could have far-reaching ramifications in everything from schools to jobs to politics, demographers and other experts say. There would be newer needs for social services, a different vision on transportation and more affordable housing, said Jim Skinner, research planner with the Atlanta Regional Commission.”

–What Jim Skinner doesn’t say is the social services, transportation and affordable housing are code words for government handouts.

“The boom also brings with it economic consequences. The population shift is occurring not because of white flight from metro Atlanta, but low birth rates among that group. Immigration and higher birth rates within minorities, especially in the Hispanic community, will soon lead to minorities filling the jobs of an aging white population, he said.”

–He says Immigration, esp. in the Hispanic community leads to minority filling of jobs. Notice he left off the word ILLEGAL. I for one don’t want to be paying for their food stamps, section 8 affordable housing, kids education, etc. I want this problem solved and I mean now! Every time I see a Hispanic family walking down the street with 8 kids in tow, makes me want to puke.

Scout

June 16th, 2010
8:14 am

“We don’t need no stinking badges”

Jon but not Jon Voight

June 16th, 2010
8:16 am

This whole situation is starting to resemble the Israelis and Palestenians. And that’s no coincidence.

itpdude

June 16th, 2010
8:29 am

Ha ha ha, Mexico giving a critique of the US is like a Brit telling a San Francisco gay guy how to be more masculine.

Mexico makes it their avowed policy to violate US federal law. That says it all right there. Remember, Mexico is the nation the US bailed out in the early 90’s. We should have used that money then to build a wall, as Pat Buchanan suggested.

Think about it: Who has illegal immigration been good for? Has it been good for the middle and working classes? Nope. We have 30 years of declining real wages.

However, the rich have been cashing in on illegal immigration for years. Wake up, America!

Not Blind

June 16th, 2010
8:32 am

This whole situation is being facilitated by the federal government’s misuse of the 14th Amendment. Time and again the Supreme Court has ruled that the birthright granted by the 14th only applies to the offspring of US citizens. I challenge everyone that reads this to do a little research on the 14th so they will see for themselves that what I am saying is true.

What this means is that every anchor baby and their offspring have been granted citizenship improperly and illegally and therefore their citizenship is invalid. Harsh measures are the only things that will save our country.

Humphrey

June 16th, 2010
8:32 am

“However, the rich have been cashing in on illegal immigration for years.”

I guess you never stayed at a hotel, bought lunch at a fast food restaurant, visited a grocery store to buy produce and/or meat, etc. Let’s keep it simple why don’t we. We don’t want to look at ourselves as the cause of our problems. It’s always somebody else’s fault. Never the white man.

Gringo

June 16th, 2010
8:34 am

Mexico also legalized most drug use, which means that the criminals who want to continue making a living illegally by selling drugs will have to come here for customers. While we’re distracted with this silly war on drugs the ENTIRE REST OF THE WORLD SEEMS TO BE ENGAGED IN A WAR ON THE NATION OF THE UNITED STATES.

GaPatriot

June 16th, 2010
8:55 am

Mexico is corrupt, violent and parasitic. Mexico is not our friend.. No matter how much of our economy goes to them and/or their nationals criminally residing here, it is not enough. And it will never be enough And if we complain or crack down on this lawlessness, we are, of course, racists.

Jack

June 16th, 2010
8:56 am

Humphrey, I think your right, currently our stance is so weak on holding up the law, we have encouraged this problem.

Gringo Viejo

June 16th, 2010
9:03 am

In both cases there are citizen made videos that portray the events surrounding these deaths. For some reason those are not being shown or mentioned on U.S. news. In the San Diego case, there are possibly as many as 20 I.C.E. agents beating and shocking the now deceased for an extended period of time as he screams and begs for mercy. (Rodney King come to mind?) Look it up. In the El Paso incident, actually Ciudad Juarez, the agent fired numerous rounds across the border, killing one of several 14/15 year old rock chucking boys on Mexican territory. If that was done to one of ours, we would be rattling sabres too. I am blessed and fortunate to be a U.S. citizen, but our “I’m Bigger, I make the rules” mentality is scary in a country that claims high (or any) moral ground. Mexcico Mr. Barr?

lmno

June 16th, 2010
9:32 am

Drug Prohibition is the leading cauuse of death in that area.

Denison Kilpatrick

June 16th, 2010
9:34 am

Come on, these kids should know better than to throw rocks. Just like this j-walking chick in Seattle. A punch in the mouth will make her think twice before she tries to touch a cop.

mrs. w

June 16th, 2010
9:47 am

Screw the fence, build the wall. A tall wall with many feet of razor wire at the top and embedded with shards of broken glass in the top.

Also, y’all can go to the Gwinnett County jail website and look at all of the hispanic names – click on charges and you will also see that many are being held for immigration. What a joke.

Jim in Ga

June 16th, 2010
9:50 am

Gringo Viejo,

And where would one find these videos if they exist? Have you seen them yourself?

Gringo Viejo

June 16th, 2010
9:58 am

They are all over Spanish language news, from Mexico and Latin America. Yes, I have seen them. I realise that all news will slant to their own viewpoint, that also includes U.S. news sources. One location would be El Universal Mexico, out of Mexico City.

mrs. w

June 16th, 2010
10:02 am

Gringo – you are obviously biased and I’m sure we are too. But…perhaps since you are such an upstanding guy you should return to your home country and try to do some good there. Some patriotism would be nice as well at this point since you are a citizen of THIS country.

Old Dawg

June 16th, 2010
10:08 am

Why don’t we change our immigration laws to the same as Mexico’s and see how they react? It’s much more stringent and punishment for breaking the laws more severe.

After we change the laws, when we catch illegal immigrants we can add cleaning up of the river bed they’ve trashed in Arizona as part of the punishment. There are miles and miles of clothes, wagons and countless other items creating an environmental nightmare.

I understand and appreciate the work ethic and family values of many latinos but their thirst for a better way of life in the US is squelched by folks who don’t respect our laws, our natural resources and other facets of the nation they now call home.

songbird

June 16th, 2010
10:11 am

Joe – could you be a bigger bigot? The article wasn’t talking about illegals. Most Hispanics in this country are here legally. Whether you like it or not, they have larger families. Whites used to have larger families, but that has changed due to our choices.

The US is a country of immigrants. Always has been.

Seems to me you have OWG syndrome. In case you don’t know what that means, it’s Old White Guy.

Dave

June 16th, 2010
10:19 am

I found Claymores worked very well for me in Nam

PixiePundit

June 16th, 2010
10:20 am

As long as our Federal and State governments give illegals free food, housing, and money, the problem will only get worse.

Old Man

June 16th, 2010
10:25 am

I’d think you’s advocate for the normal libertarian position, which is to legalize drugs. Otherwise “Mexico and its federal officials actually encourage its citizens to violate American immigration laws, by facilitating their entry into the U.S. and then finding ways to keep them from having to return to their home country” sounds like a classic instance where the 30 cry for “small government” has been misplaced. You want a big government to keep out Mexicans, but when it comes to oil drilling in National Wildlife refuges, or regulating those with illegal Mexican ID’s to buy American guns, you want small government. If America wasn’t filled with drug addicts, there wouldn’t be a problem. Mexico’s low wages are a result of no rights and no regulation. The folks who hire their illegal immigrants for sub-standard wages are the real crooks.

Jim in Ga

June 16th, 2010
11:04 am

Gringo Viejo,

Maybe you could link one here since I don’t know Spanish and I can see for myself?

Grump

June 16th, 2010
11:05 am

>> Just last week, a Mexican teenager was shot
>> by a U.S. agent during a rock throwing incident
>> just outside El Paso, Texas.

Oh boy. There’s a teenager with a rock – let’s shoot him!! The author Donald Hamilton had a line in one of his novels – something like “If a constable can’t handle a kid with a rock in his hand without shooting, we throw him the hell out and get a new constable!”. I’m in full agreement.

Marcos

June 16th, 2010
11:20 am

Very good article Mr. Barr. I feel for the hard working people of Latin America who see this as the land of opportunity and will put their lives in danger to find work here. But on the other hand, I think it is high time we took control of this border and quit letting Mexican officials and authorities run the show.

David S

June 16th, 2010
11:31 am

The US helps prop up the regime in Mexico because their cheap labor benefits the friends of our government. We continue the War on Drugs because it benefits the legal pharmaceutical industry in this country along with the CIA, the prison and court industry, the law enforcement community, and so many others on this side of the border. Truly the last thing our government wants is a prosperous and successful Mexico with a sound economy and a growing middle class. To have such a thing right next door would show the world clearly how much of a failure our country is becomming and how our government is working to destroy the economy and freedom in this country.

It may serve to blame the Mexicans in specific instances, but in the overall scheme, our hand is all over the problems the people of Mexico must deal with from their economy to their government.

No More Progressives!

June 16th, 2010
11:54 am

Not Blind

June 16th, 2010
8:32 am
This whole situation is being facilitated by the federal government’s misuse of the 14th Amendment. Time and again the Supreme Court has ruled that the birthright granted by the 14th only applies to the offspring of US citizens. I challenge everyone that reads this to do a little research on the 14th so they will see for themselves that what I am saying is true.

Absolutely, NB. Illegals flock here because they know hospitals will not turn them down, they’ll always get an ambualnce ride, free education & welfare, and an anchor baby secures their position here. Eliminate this benefit and watch the flow come to a trickle or stop. Actually, we’d just be enforcing existing law. What a concept.

Gringo Viejo

June 16th, 2010
12:15 pm

Jim, http://www.el-universal.com.mx/ Mrs. W., I was born in this country. My Scots/Irish father led me to believe that non-bias meant actually giving all points of view an honest, open minded hearing, and placing responsibilty where it belongs. I am no upstanding guy, but isn’t that supposed to be our goal? You see, David S. is actually getting his news from sources who can think without thinking it’s un-American to do so. From NAFTA to the Drug MARKET to looking the other way when our booming economy needs people who will actually show up at the job site, to work, and then blame the same for every ill when OUR economy falters, we have a hand in the pie.

jason

June 16th, 2010
12:26 pm

When I was fifteen, I weighed a hundred sixty pounds and threw a 70 mph fastball. That’s typical. I could kill you with a rock, or maybe even a baseball. Understandably, the Border Patrol considers rock throwing a lethal act, and they deal with it multiple times daily. I would have shot the teenager as well.

Mrs Johnson

June 16th, 2010
12:38 pm

I think the message should be clear by now….THIS IS OUR COUNTRY & IF YOU CAN’T COME IN PROPERLY WE WILL FIND A WAY TO KEEP YOU OUT. You don’t like being shot,,then stay on your side keep your drugs where you are. I detest people who have no respect for the law.

Gringo Viejo

June 16th, 2010
12:38 pm

jason, discretion is the better part of valor. If an American rock chucker on the northern border was shot and killed FROM ACROSS THE BORDER by a Canadian Border Guard, would you feel the same way? I would have gladly dueled you and your 70mph fast ball any day, with a .40 cal.

Gringo Viejo

June 16th, 2010
12:41 pm

Mrs. Johnson, They are actually OUR drugs, we are hiring the Mexican cartels to get them here. The boy was killed on Mexican soil.

Mrs Johnson

June 16th, 2010
12:44 pm

Ok, probably not good to generalize who’s drugs they are, because they sure are not mine or my families.

Gringo Viejo

June 16th, 2010
12:47 pm

Fair enough, mine either, straight capitalism nonetheless, no demand, no supply.

Mrs Johnson

June 16th, 2010
12:49 pm

It’s just another reason to do everything possible to keep them from illegally crossing the border.

Gringo Viejo

June 16th, 2010
1:00 pm

In a paraphrase of a famous saying, “if you demand a good product, they will beat a path to your door to deliver it”. We can’t stop the supply untill we curtail the demand. Capone supplied in the 30’s, the Hell’s Angel’s and Jamaicans have all along, the Columbians did it in the 80’s and 90’s. Illegal immigration for work purposes is a problem, agreed, drug abuse/trafficking is another, much greater, problem. We mistake by trying to address them together.

Mrs Johnson

June 16th, 2010
1:22 pm

Well where would you propose to start. Walk around to the crack heads and kindly ask them to stop? Or, how about if there is no ( easy ) way to get the drugs across the borders. Would that not dry up supply just a bit ? Could that be a better start?

BADA BING

June 16th, 2010
1:25 pm

obama is looking for some ass to kick. Let him kick ass at the border.

BADA BING

June 16th, 2010
1:27 pm

There was not a teenager throwing rocks, there were several people throwing rocks. Not lethal you say. Did you ever here of people getting stoned in the Bible? Let me assure you, it can be deadly.

joe

June 16th, 2010
1:54 pm

@ Songbird…typical lib stance… just because I illustrated that fact that the article did not include any statistics of illegal immigration’s inflation of gwinnett’s minority population growth, you throw out the typical racist, or biggot label. I have many friends who are of Hispanic decent that I work with and live by. They came here the right way, have adapted to our culture and follow our laws, and I am perfectly fine with them as US citizens and neighbors. So, I am no bigot nor racist, so you need to check your liberal labeling at the door.

There is nothing American about having kids that you cannot afford, thinking, oh, I’ll just make the government pay for them. This in Un-American…which goes back to accepting our culture, which illegals want no part of.

Sing me another one there, birdie…

LibraryJim

June 16th, 2010
3:10 pm

“Seems to me you have OWG syndrome. In case you don’t know what that means, it’s Old White Guy.”

Songbird @10:11 am, what a racist, ageist thing to say! Shame on you!

Not Blind

June 16th, 2010
4:40 pm

The only way you get to the OWG phase is to somehow survive the YAS phase that every human goes through. [ Young And Stupid ].

Georgia Dawg

June 16th, 2010
5:32 pm

With all the trouble with the damn Mexicans why does obama continue to send them foreign aid.

Not Blind

June 16th, 2010
5:46 pm

Why do Americans continue to vacation there ?

HumanFactor

June 16th, 2010
7:02 pm

I read your posts and makes me so afraid. Afraid of the future not only of the US but the future of the world. It is not what you say, is how you say it.

Even with the right arguments your words of hate sound like those uttered by the same Germans demonized by our grandfathers for their hate towards another group of humans.

Not Blind … why do Americans vacation there? Because when it comes to cheap vacations, servants, young beautiful women, drinking at 18 and many of those things they do love Mexico.

Illegal immigration is wrong, but just read how Hitler used the “jew problem” to distract the many uncultured and ignorant unemployed Germans that were an easy target for the Nazi propaganda and you will realize that some of the posts in this site smell to Berlin 1934.

Not Blind

June 16th, 2010
7:26 pm

HumanFactor. Wrong corollary. Just like calling us racists, it’s the only thing you can come up with in an attempt to counter the rightful indignation Americans feel about the illegal alien disaster.

About the Jews. The Jews just wanted to live their lives. They weren’t selling drugs, stealing identities, taking jobs from Germans, stealing healthcare from hospitals, and all the rest of the crimes the illegals do. The Holocaust was the result of ONE MAN’S manaical hatred of people of a certain religion. By manipulative oratory and fabricated incidents Hitler convinced a large portion of the German populace to abet him. The Jews were actually a productive part of the German nation. Jews have invented many great things benefitting mankind. I am not saying all Jews are angels but their only crime against Hitler was that they were Jews.

Illegal aliens as a group have done nothing noble for the world. If it was an isolated incident such as the Cubans escaping Castro then it could be appreciated for being a special circumstance. The situation with Mexican illegals is nothing less than Mexican governmental policy aided by our own governments outright facilitation of large numbers of Mexicans crossing our border.

Alvin Greene for Senate in SC

June 16th, 2010
7:36 pm

The blame starts with Congress. You were a member and you got the boot. You ran for President on the Libertarian ticket.

Government has failed the nation. We are urinating into a hurricane force wind Mr. Barr.

There is no leadership in DC.

With all due respect sir, you are arrogant and unlikeable.

Our Republic is effed unless the citizens follow through with their frustrations in a peaceful and legislative process.

Get on board Mr Barr. Get involved sir. Please communicate with the users on this blog.

HumanFactor

June 16th, 2010
8:41 pm

Not Blind, with all due respect. I don’t know you and you might be a good person, but your comment shows nothing but the same “bad propaganda” effect. I am talking about. MOST illegal and legal immigrants come to this country to work. The acts of some BAD illegal immigrants doesn’t make all of them bad, the same way the acts of the VERY legal terrorists that destroyed the twin towers doesn’t make bad all legal immigrants.

You say they are not productive. You are wrong. Many of those vegetables that you can buy at very affordable prices “made in the US” at supermarkets guess who picked them? I could go on and on about the many jobs that legal citizens in the US don’t want to do, but I assume that you probably have heard and read a lot about this fact. You were blessed by the fact that you were born in a country like the US, but if you had born in a country where poverty and social oppression were a constant, wouldn’t you try to look for a better life? Why do you think Europeans immigrated to America (the continent) in first place?

I AM NOT SAYING THAT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS RIGHT.. IT IS WRONG, but what I am saying is that a lot of these posts are charged with a tone of racial hate. Just read your own post… “Mexicans”. Mexicans are not the only illegal immigrants in the US. There are people from all over the world. But I guess that an illegal British, Chinese or Russian won’t make you feel the way you feel about an illegal Mexican.

My 2 cents

God bless

BADA BING

June 16th, 2010
9:34 pm

Boycott Mexico, boycott Mexican restaurants in your area, boycott Mexican beer. Keep dollars here in the US. It can only help our citizens.

Fuego

June 16th, 2010
9:55 pm

HumanFactor, you are the only person i have heard truely understand immigrants from Mexico.
Thank You.

Mari

June 16th, 2010
10:08 pm

True …. Mexico needs to imrove many things for it’s citizens… If things were great they would not be willing to go through what they do to come here… however the 15 year old was in Mexico still when he was shot and the other man was beaten severely by MANY officers. There is a line besides the border… and it has been crossed.

Mari

June 16th, 2010
10:17 pm

Just wanted to add… joe you make me sick and I dont even have to see you… how ignorant. So I guess its ok for a white family to have 8 kids?

Only if

June 17th, 2010
12:59 am

I’am white, and some of my friends a Mexican. However, I feel that they are running from a corrupt justice system in Mexico. Imagine working all month, not all week (but all month) and getting a paycheck for the equivent of $200 to $800 and being stopped on the way home after cashing your check. Having to give a cop in Mexico half of your pay? It dosent happen to every body but, it is enough to get everobody running. What would you do if this happened to you in the U.S. would you run to Canada? Would you sell stuff and try to get out and sneek money home to support your loved ones? of course you would!!! I know I would… So America who is to blame?.. Instead ask them to join the military, sign up for the draft, learn english, like everybody else that lives and pays taxes in this country and if need be die for this country. Like so many of us that are desendents, or relitives of people who have. Like my Grandfather, and Great Uncle’s. Freedom is not free.. Not free by a long shot..SO MY MESSAGE IS THIS. If you want to live in this country and reep its rewards quit hideing in the dark my friends. 50 precent of you did not even fill out your Census report from fear of being turned in. If you are living in fear go to Canada. Or grab your nuts embrase America for whitch it stands one nation under GOD indivisable with liberity and justice for all..AMEN

medforu

June 17th, 2010
1:41 am

They are a 3rd world slum, drug cartel controlled cease pool. They want us to just blithely allow MILLIONS of their citizens to illegally enter and work in our Country while they gun down anyone caught crossing their Southern Border.

They want us to allow their illegal alien citizens to work in the US, be supported by the US and buy property in the US. Guess what? As a Naturalized citizen you have no right to participate in Mexico’s Political system and no right to buy property. Much less if you were illegal.

The Mexican Government aids and abets their illegal citizens enter our Country with documents to help them find where to cross into the States safely and means to survive the trip into the Country. Their Consulates provide fake documents to illegals in any State that allows them to get a drivers license.

And they want to preach to us on OUR Borders? The heck with them. We should treat them EXACTLY as they treat their Southern Neighbors when they cross the border.

Not Blind

June 17th, 2010
9:27 am

HumanFactor. You might run off to Canada but I would stay and fight for my country. When you run away you unintentionally provide a dual benefit for the corrupt government. Not only are you not there using social services you are also sending home money that helps prop up the corrupt government.

James E. McMullen, III

June 17th, 2010
10:36 am

Thank you. However, you forgot that the Mexican government also offers aid and comfort to its citizens on how and where to cross the border as well as using their military to escort their citizens to a crossing point away from legal border crossing points.

Jimi

June 17th, 2010
10:48 am

America is a weak and ineffective nation. That is why by 2050 the USA will be a third world spanic speaking nation, according to the census dept. Nothing else needs to be done.

The La Raza crowd has high birth rates, zero interior enforcement, the 14th admendment, open borders, mandated benefits, the media, all 3 branches of government and most importantly, TIME.

It’s all over except for the fat senorita singing. Visit Los Angeles to see your future. Tell your kids about “the good old days” and explain to them how you let your country slip away.

Not Blind

June 17th, 2010
11:07 am

Jimi, The 14th is being misapplied. Do some research.

HumanFactor

June 17th, 2010
11:08 am

Not Blind, again you are talking from the perspective of someone who was born with everything. Someone that was born free and out of a depressing system. Of course if that was happening in the US you would I am sure (guns provided by the NRA). But we are talking of very poor people who lacks support and help. You are not talking of educated people that could organize, people that cannot even cover their very basic needs. Ever heard of the Maslow’s hierarchy of needs? ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs )

On top of that if there was an armed movement in Mexico to throw the government and improve life, do you think the US government will not support the current government? Do you think the US would like to have an armed revolution with a populist conscience right next door?

Again words are easy but I will invite you to travel through the rural areas of South Mexico, drive through Guatemala, Belize, El Salvador. Try to live for a while in Rio de Janeiro (not the luxurious suburbs but the favelas).

Words are easy when you are not in the shoes of another fellow human being. “All men are created equal” unfortunately doesn’t apply to the most desperate and defenseless. Want to stop poor illegal immigrants from all over the world to run to other countries? Travel the world and educate them, teach them to organize and teach them to have pride. Be that beacon of light and democracy that the US promised to be to others.

No More Progressives!

June 17th, 2010
11:25 am

BADA BING

June 16th, 2010
1:25 pm
obama is looking for some ass to kick. Let him kick ass at the border.

He’s a lawyer. Lawyers kick ass by suing the pants off someone or some corporation, because they failed to warn you that putting a toaster in the tub with you could shock you. Obozo chases ambulances. My 3 y/o grandaughter could kick his ass. And should.

HumanFactor

June 17th, 2010
11:34 am

LOL I am with you No More. There should be a Universal law that forbids lawyers, generals and rich juniors in the oil business to become presidents of any nation. Imagine if the countries of these world were ruled by hard working people that acted as teachers, engineers, firemen, etc. Oh sweet dreams.

HumanFactor

June 17th, 2010
11:35 am

sorry typo “this world” not “these” . I need more coffee ;)

No quarters

June 17th, 2010
12:13 pm

Sounds like Bob Barr had a Baja moment over this. This whole episode makes you kinda wonder whether it were only the Frito Bandito who stole all those corn cheeps in the seventies, man. We won’t worry about this today. We’ll worry manana, 4 manana is another day not to mention the fact that manana is good enough for me. (insert diacritical mark somewhere in there, Senor…d’oh!)

Not Blind

June 17th, 2010
1:24 pm

HF. There is no doubt that I am fortunate to have been born in the USA. That does not mean that I have to accept a lowering of America’s standard of living just because 10’s of millions of people are being encouraged to leave Mexico and come to America illegally.

America is the ‘Goose that laid the golden egg’. I love the goose but the mexicans love the egg and are willing to kill the goose to get all the eggs inside. Only a fool would stand by and let the goose be killed.

Sam ( The Cool 1 )

June 17th, 2010
2:32 pm

Just don’t blame The Cisco Kid and Poncho. They are the good guys!

Redshirt

June 17th, 2010
3:00 pm

As my Dakota Sious grandfather once said—The time for counting Coup has past; the time has come to take many scalps. As this problem now appears to be spinning out of control– can generalized violence be far behind?

HumanFactor

June 17th, 2010
4:16 pm

Well NB, I believe I exposed plenty on why my concern is how hate is taking charge of this situation for the lack of intelligence and the abundance of political manipulations (of all the parts that are involved). You also provided your reasons for the way you feel about illegal immigrants (I am still uncertain if that is a feeling you share for all illegal immigrants or only for “Mexicans”).

At the end I believe there are things that are unquestionable above the mixed feelings and politics
1) Illegal immigration is… well illegal and any person that incurs in it is liable of detention and deportation
2) Human rights are Universal, the day we miss that of sight we basically are just ignoring all the other laws and we are no better than those countries we criticize for not being “evolved”. No one should be judge, jury and executor.
3) Fear leads to hate and hate is just a painful way to suffering.

I will pray for peace and understanding among ell human beings.

Not Blind

June 17th, 2010
5:58 pm

The kid that threw the bleach filled balloon in Lilburn is a classic example of the mess. Been here since he was 2. Probably be deported. He’s about as Mexican as I am. Probably doesn’t have an accent. The problem is that there are many millions of stories just like his. Part of the mess has been caused by allowing ourselves to be swayed by ‘humanitarian’ issues.

Leonila

June 17th, 2010
8:57 pm

To blame the Mexican government as the cause of abuse by power by US Border Patrol agents is the highest form of hypocrisy and patently false. The Mexican government issues identification cards to its citizens working in this country to assist them with the basic activities of being a human being. It a very minimum response for Mexico’s citizens who face constant harassment and discrimination as we push them farther and farther into the shadows. It is the height of outrage for you to suggest Mexico to abandon the millions of its citizens who suffer discrimination, work long hours, in hard, back breaking jobs that improve the lives of all Americans. But, for that little support these noble, hard working people will be in worse conditions. We won’t even allow them to have drivers licenses. The San Diego coroner classified the death of of tortured victim as a homicide for a reason. We should direct our criticism at the border patrol to stop the unnecessary and brutal killing of Mexicans. We treat terrorists suspects better than we treat the people who prepare our food, clean our hospitals, build our homes, pick our tomatoes and whatever other “dirty” work we give them.

Mary

June 22nd, 2010
12:23 am

It’s simple actually, Mexico gets to have it both ways. They encourage their people to enter the US illegally, informs them they can apply for welfare and other benefits, to enable them to send money back to Mexico in remittances, plus, there is the side benefit of this helping Mexico to keep it’s tax rates artificially low, while the illegals coming here, force our tax rates to be artificially higher, making us even less competitive, and attracting more US companies to move to Mexico. Polaris, of Osceola, WI announced last month that next year it will move it’s factories to Mexico, because of the increase in taxes here. An entire town of US citizens will now be unemployed.

Our government is deliberately facilitating this, corrupt democrats, and even a few republicans are selling US citizens out, and bankrupting our economy. Incidentally, there’s a heck of a lot more going on in the Gulf than just the oil spill, I’d encourage you to read this http://www.blogster.com/joannemor/startling-reveletions-more-going-on-in-the-gulf-of-mexico-than-an-oil-spill,