Blame for border deaths starts with Mexican government

The Mexican government is incensed that two of its citizens have been killed at their country’s border with the United States in the past two weeks, apparently in altercations with U.S. Border Patrol agents.  In the first incident, on May 31st at the border crossing between San Diego and Tijuana, a Mexican migrant died, apparently after being shocked with a stun gun by a border agent.  Just last week, a Mexican teenager was shot by a U.S. agent during a rock throwing incident just outside El Paso, Texas.

Mexican officials, including President Felipe Calderon, have been characteristically quick to blame and condemn Washington for the two deaths; in the case of the San Diego incident, accusing the United States of “torturing” the Mexican to death.  The United States government, for its part, is doing precisely what it should do — conducting an investigation to determine exactly what happened in both instances.

Mexico’s rush to judgment in blaming the United States, is misplaced.  If in fact Mr. Calderon is serious about assigning blame for these unfortunate incidents, he ought to start by looking in a mirror.  One of the primary reasons incidents like this occur (not often, but occasionally), is because Mexico and its federal officials actually encourage its citizens to violate American immigration laws, by facilitating their entry into the U.S. and then finding ways to keep them from having to return to their home country.  The Mexcian government, for example, issues official identification cards to its citizens who are in the United States without proper immigration papers, so they can open bank accounts, secure credit, and engage in other necessary financial transactions.

Exacerbating the problem is the fact that Mexico’s police and military are among the most corrupt in the world, and often deliberately stymie efforts by U.S. law enforcement to investigate drug and other cross-border criminal activities; including immigration law violations.  In fact, according to news accounts, the Mexican federales already are deliberately hampering the FBI’s investigation of the most recent death near El Paso.

If the Mexican government wants someone or something to blame for what’s going on at border crossings between the United States and Mexico, it should start by looking on their side of the border.  Of course, this is unlikely to happen.  During President Calderon’s most recent visit to Washington, D.C. just last month, he went out of his way to blame the United States for the surge in extreme violence that has infected Mexico in recent months.  Obviously it’s much easier to blame the gringos than to start puting your own house in order

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Georgia Dawg

June 16th, 2010
5:32 pm

With all the trouble with the damn Mexicans why does obama continue to send them foreign aid.

Not Blind

June 16th, 2010
5:46 pm

Why do Americans continue to vacation there ?

HumanFactor

June 16th, 2010
7:02 pm

I read your posts and makes me so afraid. Afraid of the future not only of the US but the future of the world. It is not what you say, is how you say it.

Even with the right arguments your words of hate sound like those uttered by the same Germans demonized by our grandfathers for their hate towards another group of humans.

Not Blind … why do Americans vacation there? Because when it comes to cheap vacations, servants, young beautiful women, drinking at 18 and many of those things they do love Mexico.

Illegal immigration is wrong, but just read how Hitler used the “jew problem” to distract the many uncultured and ignorant unemployed Germans that were an easy target for the Nazi propaganda and you will realize that some of the posts in this site smell to Berlin 1934.

Not Blind

June 16th, 2010
7:26 pm

HumanFactor. Wrong corollary. Just like calling us racists, it’s the only thing you can come up with in an attempt to counter the rightful indignation Americans feel about the illegal alien disaster.

About the Jews. The Jews just wanted to live their lives. They weren’t selling drugs, stealing identities, taking jobs from Germans, stealing healthcare from hospitals, and all the rest of the crimes the illegals do. The Holocaust was the result of ONE MAN’S manaical hatred of people of a certain religion. By manipulative oratory and fabricated incidents Hitler convinced a large portion of the German populace to abet him. The Jews were actually a productive part of the German nation. Jews have invented many great things benefitting mankind. I am not saying all Jews are angels but their only crime against Hitler was that they were Jews.

Illegal aliens as a group have done nothing noble for the world. If it was an isolated incident such as the Cubans escaping Castro then it could be appreciated for being a special circumstance. The situation with Mexican illegals is nothing less than Mexican governmental policy aided by our own governments outright facilitation of large numbers of Mexicans crossing our border.

Alvin Greene for Senate in SC

June 16th, 2010
7:36 pm

The blame starts with Congress. You were a member and you got the boot. You ran for President on the Libertarian ticket.

Government has failed the nation. We are urinating into a hurricane force wind Mr. Barr.

There is no leadership in DC.

With all due respect sir, you are arrogant and unlikeable.

Our Republic is effed unless the citizens follow through with their frustrations in a peaceful and legislative process.

Get on board Mr Barr. Get involved sir. Please communicate with the users on this blog.

HumanFactor

June 16th, 2010
8:41 pm

Not Blind, with all due respect. I don’t know you and you might be a good person, but your comment shows nothing but the same “bad propaganda” effect. I am talking about. MOST illegal and legal immigrants come to this country to work. The acts of some BAD illegal immigrants doesn’t make all of them bad, the same way the acts of the VERY legal terrorists that destroyed the twin towers doesn’t make bad all legal immigrants.

You say they are not productive. You are wrong. Many of those vegetables that you can buy at very affordable prices “made in the US” at supermarkets guess who picked them? I could go on and on about the many jobs that legal citizens in the US don’t want to do, but I assume that you probably have heard and read a lot about this fact. You were blessed by the fact that you were born in a country like the US, but if you had born in a country where poverty and social oppression were a constant, wouldn’t you try to look for a better life? Why do you think Europeans immigrated to America (the continent) in first place?

I AM NOT SAYING THAT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS RIGHT.. IT IS WRONG, but what I am saying is that a lot of these posts are charged with a tone of racial hate. Just read your own post… “Mexicans”. Mexicans are not the only illegal immigrants in the US. There are people from all over the world. But I guess that an illegal British, Chinese or Russian won’t make you feel the way you feel about an illegal Mexican.

My 2 cents

God bless

BADA BING

June 16th, 2010
9:34 pm

Boycott Mexico, boycott Mexican restaurants in your area, boycott Mexican beer. Keep dollars here in the US. It can only help our citizens.

Fuego

June 16th, 2010
9:55 pm

HumanFactor, you are the only person i have heard truely understand immigrants from Mexico.
Thank You.

Mari

June 16th, 2010
10:08 pm

True …. Mexico needs to imrove many things for it’s citizens… If things were great they would not be willing to go through what they do to come here… however the 15 year old was in Mexico still when he was shot and the other man was beaten severely by MANY officers. There is a line besides the border… and it has been crossed.

Mari

June 16th, 2010
10:17 pm

Just wanted to add… joe you make me sick and I dont even have to see you… how ignorant. So I guess its ok for a white family to have 8 kids?

Only if

June 17th, 2010
12:59 am

I’am white, and some of my friends a Mexican. However, I feel that they are running from a corrupt justice system in Mexico. Imagine working all month, not all week (but all month) and getting a paycheck for the equivent of $200 to $800 and being stopped on the way home after cashing your check. Having to give a cop in Mexico half of your pay? It dosent happen to every body but, it is enough to get everobody running. What would you do if this happened to you in the U.S. would you run to Canada? Would you sell stuff and try to get out and sneek money home to support your loved ones? of course you would!!! I know I would… So America who is to blame?.. Instead ask them to join the military, sign up for the draft, learn english, like everybody else that lives and pays taxes in this country and if need be die for this country. Like so many of us that are desendents, or relitives of people who have. Like my Grandfather, and Great Uncle’s. Freedom is not free.. Not free by a long shot..SO MY MESSAGE IS THIS. If you want to live in this country and reep its rewards quit hideing in the dark my friends. 50 precent of you did not even fill out your Census report from fear of being turned in. If you are living in fear go to Canada. Or grab your nuts embrase America for whitch it stands one nation under GOD indivisable with liberity and justice for all..AMEN

medforu

June 17th, 2010
1:41 am

They are a 3rd world slum, drug cartel controlled cease pool. They want us to just blithely allow MILLIONS of their citizens to illegally enter and work in our Country while they gun down anyone caught crossing their Southern Border.

They want us to allow their illegal alien citizens to work in the US, be supported by the US and buy property in the US. Guess what? As a Naturalized citizen you have no right to participate in Mexico’s Political system and no right to buy property. Much less if you were illegal.

The Mexican Government aids and abets their illegal citizens enter our Country with documents to help them find where to cross into the States safely and means to survive the trip into the Country. Their Consulates provide fake documents to illegals in any State that allows them to get a drivers license.

And they want to preach to us on OUR Borders? The heck with them. We should treat them EXACTLY as they treat their Southern Neighbors when they cross the border.

Not Blind

June 17th, 2010
9:27 am

HumanFactor. You might run off to Canada but I would stay and fight for my country. When you run away you unintentionally provide a dual benefit for the corrupt government. Not only are you not there using social services you are also sending home money that helps prop up the corrupt government.

James E. McMullen, III

June 17th, 2010
10:36 am

Thank you. However, you forgot that the Mexican government also offers aid and comfort to its citizens on how and where to cross the border as well as using their military to escort their citizens to a crossing point away from legal border crossing points.

Jimi

June 17th, 2010
10:48 am

America is a weak and ineffective nation. That is why by 2050 the USA will be a third world spanic speaking nation, according to the census dept. Nothing else needs to be done.

The La Raza crowd has high birth rates, zero interior enforcement, the 14th admendment, open borders, mandated benefits, the media, all 3 branches of government and most importantly, TIME.

It’s all over except for the fat senorita singing. Visit Los Angeles to see your future. Tell your kids about “the good old days” and explain to them how you let your country slip away.

Not Blind

June 17th, 2010
11:07 am

Jimi, The 14th is being misapplied. Do some research.

HumanFactor

June 17th, 2010
11:08 am

Not Blind, again you are talking from the perspective of someone who was born with everything. Someone that was born free and out of a depressing system. Of course if that was happening in the US you would I am sure (guns provided by the NRA). But we are talking of very poor people who lacks support and help. You are not talking of educated people that could organize, people that cannot even cover their very basic needs. Ever heard of the Maslow’s hierarchy of needs? ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs )

On top of that if there was an armed movement in Mexico to throw the government and improve life, do you think the US government will not support the current government? Do you think the US would like to have an armed revolution with a populist conscience right next door?

Again words are easy but I will invite you to travel through the rural areas of South Mexico, drive through Guatemala, Belize, El Salvador. Try to live for a while in Rio de Janeiro (not the luxurious suburbs but the favelas).

Words are easy when you are not in the shoes of another fellow human being. “All men are created equal” unfortunately doesn’t apply to the most desperate and defenseless. Want to stop poor illegal immigrants from all over the world to run to other countries? Travel the world and educate them, teach them to organize and teach them to have pride. Be that beacon of light and democracy that the US promised to be to others.

No More Progressives!

June 17th, 2010
11:25 am

BADA BING

June 16th, 2010
1:25 pm
obama is looking for some ass to kick. Let him kick ass at the border.

He’s a lawyer. Lawyers kick ass by suing the pants off someone or some corporation, because they failed to warn you that putting a toaster in the tub with you could shock you. Obozo chases ambulances. My 3 y/o grandaughter could kick his ass. And should.

HumanFactor

June 17th, 2010
11:34 am

LOL I am with you No More. There should be a Universal law that forbids lawyers, generals and rich juniors in the oil business to become presidents of any nation. Imagine if the countries of these world were ruled by hard working people that acted as teachers, engineers, firemen, etc. Oh sweet dreams.

HumanFactor

June 17th, 2010
11:35 am

sorry typo “this world” not “these” . I need more coffee ;)

No quarters

June 17th, 2010
12:13 pm

Sounds like Bob Barr had a Baja moment over this. This whole episode makes you kinda wonder whether it were only the Frito Bandito who stole all those corn cheeps in the seventies, man. We won’t worry about this today. We’ll worry manana, 4 manana is another day not to mention the fact that manana is good enough for me. (insert diacritical mark somewhere in there, Senor…d’oh!)

Not Blind

June 17th, 2010
1:24 pm

HF. There is no doubt that I am fortunate to have been born in the USA. That does not mean that I have to accept a lowering of America’s standard of living just because 10’s of millions of people are being encouraged to leave Mexico and come to America illegally.

America is the ‘Goose that laid the golden egg’. I love the goose but the mexicans love the egg and are willing to kill the goose to get all the eggs inside. Only a fool would stand by and let the goose be killed.

Sam ( The Cool 1 )

June 17th, 2010
2:32 pm

Just don’t blame The Cisco Kid and Poncho. They are the good guys!

Redshirt

June 17th, 2010
3:00 pm

As my Dakota Sious grandfather once said—The time for counting Coup has past; the time has come to take many scalps. As this problem now appears to be spinning out of control– can generalized violence be far behind?

HumanFactor

June 17th, 2010
4:16 pm

Well NB, I believe I exposed plenty on why my concern is how hate is taking charge of this situation for the lack of intelligence and the abundance of political manipulations (of all the parts that are involved). You also provided your reasons for the way you feel about illegal immigrants (I am still uncertain if that is a feeling you share for all illegal immigrants or only for “Mexicans”).

At the end I believe there are things that are unquestionable above the mixed feelings and politics
1) Illegal immigration is… well illegal and any person that incurs in it is liable of detention and deportation
2) Human rights are Universal, the day we miss that of sight we basically are just ignoring all the other laws and we are no better than those countries we criticize for not being “evolved”. No one should be judge, jury and executor.
3) Fear leads to hate and hate is just a painful way to suffering.

I will pray for peace and understanding among ell human beings.

Not Blind

June 17th, 2010
5:58 pm

The kid that threw the bleach filled balloon in Lilburn is a classic example of the mess. Been here since he was 2. Probably be deported. He’s about as Mexican as I am. Probably doesn’t have an accent. The problem is that there are many millions of stories just like his. Part of the mess has been caused by allowing ourselves to be swayed by ‘humanitarian’ issues.

Leonila

June 17th, 2010
8:57 pm

To blame the Mexican government as the cause of abuse by power by US Border Patrol agents is the highest form of hypocrisy and patently false. The Mexican government issues identification cards to its citizens working in this country to assist them with the basic activities of being a human being. It a very minimum response for Mexico’s citizens who face constant harassment and discrimination as we push them farther and farther into the shadows. It is the height of outrage for you to suggest Mexico to abandon the millions of its citizens who suffer discrimination, work long hours, in hard, back breaking jobs that improve the lives of all Americans. But, for that little support these noble, hard working people will be in worse conditions. We won’t even allow them to have drivers licenses. The San Diego coroner classified the death of of tortured victim as a homicide for a reason. We should direct our criticism at the border patrol to stop the unnecessary and brutal killing of Mexicans. We treat terrorists suspects better than we treat the people who prepare our food, clean our hospitals, build our homes, pick our tomatoes and whatever other “dirty” work we give them.

Mary

June 22nd, 2010
12:23 am

It’s simple actually, Mexico gets to have it both ways. They encourage their people to enter the US illegally, informs them they can apply for welfare and other benefits, to enable them to send money back to Mexico in remittances, plus, there is the side benefit of this helping Mexico to keep it’s tax rates artificially low, while the illegals coming here, force our tax rates to be artificially higher, making us even less competitive, and attracting more US companies to move to Mexico. Polaris, of Osceola, WI announced last month that next year it will move it’s factories to Mexico, because of the increase in taxes here. An entire town of US citizens will now be unemployed.

Our government is deliberately facilitating this, corrupt democrats, and even a few republicans are selling US citizens out, and bankrupting our economy. Incidentally, there’s a heck of a lot more going on in the Gulf than just the oil spill, I’d encourage you to read this http://www.blogster.com/joannemor/startling-reveletions-more-going-on-in-the-gulf-of-mexico-than-an-oil-spill,