Atlanta Tea Party was well-organized and well-behaved

It may come as a shock to people around the country whose familiarity with the Tea Party movement is gleaned from national media reports, but yesterday’s rally at the State Capitol in Atlanta, Georgia was well-organized, substantive, and well-behaved.

I had the pleasure of attending and speaking at this event, and I was impressed with the demeanor and attentiveness of the crowd — which included many young people in addition to adults from a very diverse background.  The speakers reflected that diversity of backgrounds as well, and included many from Georgia (of course), but also from Washington, DC, other states and even other countries. 

Common to those standing and listening to the speakers, and to the speakers themselves, was not so much the “anger” often portrayed by the national media as the hallmark of the Tea Party movement, but more of a deep and sincere concern for the current and future state of the nation.  Government spending is today reaching historically — and dangerously — high levels of deficit; and the federal government’s role in the lives of the citizenry is expanding at an alarming rate.  Focusing on these phenomena is vitally important, and the grassroots-based Tea Party movement is an entirely appropriate mechanism for doing so – not as the arm of any political party, but independent of those structures.

Whether the movement will sustain the energy and focus clearly evident at the Atlanta rally yesterday (and apparently also reflected in others around the country) over the long haul — so as to have any real hope of accomplishing its goal of actually reducing government power, spending and taxation — remains to be seen.  But for the time being, the Tea Party movement is doing exactly what it should be doing — providing a forum for citizens sincerely concerned about the future of this great nation, in which they can share ideas and experiences in a civil and productive manner.

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T-Town

April 16th, 2010
6:18 am

What, no name calling? I can’t believe a well behaved group made it into media.

Willie Musgrove

April 16th, 2010
7:05 am

you can put lipstick on the klan, but it’s still the klan!

bulldog1

April 16th, 2010
7:21 am

Willie,
I was at the rally yesterday and did not see any evidence of the “Klan”. The only racist remark or inference that I have heard is your comment! WAKE UP—————-this is not about racism—–it is about saving our country!

Willis

April 16th, 2010
7:24 am

All I want to know is why can’t I buy a six-pack of beer on Sunday if I choose to. If these people want “less government” then get them to support repealing the Sunday beverage sales. That would be fine with me.

RxDawg

April 16th, 2010
7:27 am

I like this group. They use sense where D.C. just wants cents.

Voice O'Reason

April 16th, 2010
7:27 am

There is a quote by Gandhi that states “First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.” This is the exact progression of media/liberal acknowledgement of the Tea party movement. These big government, tax-and-spend liberals know that they cannot fight the Tea Party message, so they launch websites directing people to infiltrate the Tea Parties and try to bring them down from the inside. They make snide ‘teabagging’ jokes and level the racism claim at every chance they get. When you can’t beat someone’s argument, start calling them names. That seems to work very well, right?

RxDawg

April 16th, 2010
7:28 am

Willie would rather have everyone else work hard and provide for him.

neo-Carlinist

April 16th, 2010
7:32 am

Bob, while I do not doubt your sincerity, such “positive” screeds are just another step toward the homogenization or mainstreaming of the Tea Party. Of course the (true) Tea Party types are diverse; they’re de facto small L libertarians. the sad irony is, the greatest challenge for the Tea Party is what they hate most about the status quo in politics; namely the absence of a unifying, powerful central “authority” to lead the movement. I guess, in theory, the original Tea Partiers felt the Constitution would unify us, but before long you had a three headed monster fighting with itself, but “unified” in it’s desire to enhance its own power, as opposed to “leading” the rest of the body. that said, I find the “racist” angle to be amusing for two reasons; 1 – off course there is a racist element in the Tea Party movement. the idea the the liberal or mainstream media is engaged in some smear campaign is silly (there are racists in the media). but even more amusing is #2 – the idea that the “racists” in the Tea Party movement are actually “liberal” operatives who have covertly infultrated the movement with the sole purpose of “acting a fool” at rallies, etc. to discredit the movement. you’re a former spook; this thing has psy-op or disinformation all over it. equally ironic is the fact that some of the most racially suspect tea party types seem to have cooked up this “talking point” to shield the fact that they ARE racists. “we’re not racists. they’re actingly like racists to make you think we’re racists.” very confusing, but also amusing.

I saw the pictures

April 16th, 2010
7:38 am

Are you suggesting that the ajc reporter who shot pictures of this crowd manipulated the pictures? Because I saw them. They are on the homepage of this website. I certainly wouldn’t classify those crowds as “diverse”.

I don’t blame the tea party for their anger. And yes, they’re angry. If you are prospering under a status quo, then you will and should fight anyone who tries to change it. The tea party is majority populated by people who were prospering under the status quo. Of course they fear and abhor change.

Jacobite1745

April 16th, 2010
7:41 am

Where in the world does your hate come from neo-Carlinist. There are mean spirited people everywhere, Conservative and Liberal. Your rant is a good example of a mean spirited Liberal who hasn’t got a chance in the world of opening his mind to new ideas or thoughts. These folks just want what this country was meant to be, a government by and for the people. All the people even racist such as your self, you know racism isn’t just about color it’s about unfounded hate such as yours.

gpc

April 16th, 2010
7:46 am

Willie which Klan? The Black klan? The White klan? The asian klan? The Mexican klan? etc…
Everyone can be considered part of a or “the klan” ….. get over it Willie Wonka (musgrove) your song and dance are old and people are tired of hearing you whine.

Craig Jenkins

April 16th, 2010
7:48 am

Ron Paul, the conservative libertarian, is the one politician who for decades has defined political freedom as limited government and fiscal restraint and drawn the connection between our personal liberties and economic prosperity. People need to take responsibility for their own lives, and not rely on the government for solutions. At times, there is a role for government. It’s really that simple and has nothing to do with race. Don’t attack the Tea Party. Address the issues.

commoncents

April 16th, 2010
7:51 am

I saw the pictures:

Diversity is not limited to skin color!

Davo

April 16th, 2010
7:56 am

While I agree with a lions share of what the Tea Party stands for, until they get real about the detrimental affects of our massive defense spending, interventionist policies and Palin worship; you can count me out.

Eric

April 16th, 2010
7:56 am

I wish the Tea Party would also convene at Piedmont Park and dismantle Anne Fauver’s spy cameras! Talk about government intrusion!

jms

April 16th, 2010
7:58 am

neo-Carlinist,
Jason Levin’s website promoted doing exactly that: attending tea party rallies with racist signs in order to discredit the tea partiers.

Bill from Duluth

April 16th, 2010
8:01 am

Willie Musgrove must be a racist to characterize a group like that. And it was a very diverse group. I saw a couple incidences where a professional photographer was getting ready to take a shot and as soon as one of the MANY AFRICAN-AMERICANS went to get in the picture the photographer then declined to take a picture and walked away to find a group that fit the script that the AJC wanted to protray

@commoncents

April 16th, 2010
8:01 am

Spot on. Diversity is supposed to mean multitude of perspective. The racists are the ones that assumed that people of similar skin color all think the same. Their de facto solution: affirmative action

Capt Elaine Magliacane

April 16th, 2010
8:02 am

BeHonestAboutIt

April 16th, 2010
8:03 am

The tea party crowd statistically is white, male, over 50, well-educated, and well-off financially. Their protest is that their pile of goodies might get smaller. That’s it. Be honest.

I saw the pictures

April 16th, 2010
8:03 am

“commoncents

April 16th, 2010
7:51 am
I saw the pictures:

Diversity is not limited to skin color!”

Oh, I see. So the crowd was diverse in respect to what? Sexual orientation? Religious backgrounds?

Were there are lot of gays? Jews? Muslims?

Capt Elaine Magliacane

April 16th, 2010
8:03 am

AKKK that didn’t work… let me try again…

(R)esisting (A)ll (C)ommunist (I)ndoctrination & (S)ocialist (T)yranny….

joe

April 16th, 2010
8:11 am

Davo, Instead of waiting on the sidelines, why don’t you jump in to get your views heard? That is exactly what the tea party movement is all about…if you agree so much with their fiscal views, that is a good starting point for you…start by discussing that at rallys, then move on to get your other views heard. Your position sounds exactly like Ron Paul’s…not a bad thing at all. Remember, there is no perfect person out there and you won’t find a candidate or group or movement that matches your own interests to a Tea (ha ha), but coming pretty close isn’t so bad either…

ugaaccountant

April 16th, 2010
8:15 am

Were there are lot of gays? Jews? Muslims?

You’re creating strawmen arguments that nobody cares about. This is about what level of government spending and taxation is right and what government involvement should be in the lives of any citizen. If you’d stop for one second and think about the message, if the government would butt out, then yes life would improve for all people who could all live their lives in freedom and liberty and with more of their hard earned dollars in their pockets. You however appear to be stuck in a long ago era when certain groups were discriminated against. However, those days are ancient history and simply aren’t worth talking about anymore.

Voice O'Reason

April 16th, 2010
8:16 am

Again, why is race even an issue here? I’ll grant that, in any element of society there is some racial tinge. But the Tea Party movement is about the fact that we have a president and a congress who are hellbent on seeing American exceptionalism destroyed. Their desire is for the US to become a social state similar to Europe. Tax the over-achievers to pay off the slackers who consistently vote liberal. Look at the statistics. You have nearly half of American households paying no income tax. They’ve realized that by voting Democrat they are getting the most out of these insipid “entitlement” programs. As Alexander Tytler is so often quoted (I’m going to paraphrase slightly) “a democracy can only exist as a form of ogvernment until the people realize they can vote themselves largesse from the treasury.” We’re already at the tipping point where more people are taking from the government than giving to the government. It won’t be long until the Socialist utopia is realized. When that happens, look for the achievers to leave.

Morrus

April 16th, 2010
8:23 am

Vote out the incumbents and start over

Barack

April 16th, 2010
8:23 am

I find the objectives of these so called “Tea Parties” to be completely contrary to my objective to grow the government and expand my socialist agenda. The Tea Partiers are objecting to my efforts to take from those who “Have” and distribute what they have earned to those who “Have Not”. They do not subscribe to my ideas that the Government should provide for the needs of lazy and irresponsible people. I now propose that I take over the Tea Parties and will introduce a new idea called Obamatea. Each bag will have a picture of yours truly. Change you can believe in baby.

No More Progressives!

April 16th, 2010
8:27 am

Davo

April 16th, 2010
7:56 am
While I agree with a lions share of what the Tea Party stands for, until they get real about the detrimental affects of our massive defense spending, interventionist policies and Palin worship; you can count me out.

Sounds like a John Kerry/Al Gore supporter. We know where you’re coming from.

No More Progressives!

April 16th, 2010
8:29 am

Willie Musgrove

April 16th, 2010
7:05 am
you can put lipstick on the klan, but it’s still the klan!

What I’d expect from a lefty. Tell us, great sage, how many white people do you see at a Louis Farrakhan ralley?

HDB

April 16th, 2010
8:30 am

Here’s the question that conservatives have YET to answer: Where was this level of protest when the nation was getting BUSGwhacked…and when Reagan’s “trickle-down” actually meant “pi$$ed-on”? Whenever people dissented against Bush and Reagan, they were called UN-AMERICAN and TRAITORS; can we put that shoe on the RIGHT foot??

Jacobite1745

April 16th, 2010
8:30 am

Yes those who have want to keep what they have. But they are all for others achieving the same level of wealth throught their own
labors, not at the expense of those who have already labored and prospered.

HDB

April 16th, 2010
8:32 am

Voice O’Reason

April 16th, 2010
8:16 am
Again, why is race even an issue here?

Answer: the level of dissent only reached this level when Obama was sworn in; the level of vitriol and animus reached astronomic proportions upon a black man’s becoming President. That fact, you should see as evident!!

Davo

April 16th, 2010
8:33 am

joe

Thanks for the invitation. I am a huge supporter of RP; which is exactly why I do not wish to associate with this group. Their claims of being pro-Constitution evaporate when any mention of national defense or support of Israel enter the arguement, likewise in their overall treatment of gays and their proclivity to bible-thump. Neo-con light, imho, and not much of an improvement over the fear mongering GOP.

Sam C

April 16th, 2010
8:34 am

I looked at the pictures from the Tea Party rallies and I don’t know how Barr can say there was a diverse background. Maybe I missed something, but it looked like a bunch of older white people to me.

HDB

April 16th, 2010
8:34 am

@ Voice O’Reason: Included in that 47% that pays no taxes are about 6000 WEALTHY people with incomes of at least $10M; are you railing against THEM for not paying taxes….as we ALL should??

kayaker 71

April 16th, 2010
8:40 am

Willie Musgrove, BeHonestAboutIt,

You tend to throw around this racist tag with some abandon. You seem to have a pretty big chip on your shoulder and the hate that you project with your messages is readily apparent. You just don’t like white people, plain and simple.
Got news for you….. a lot of us out there feel the same way about you and your attitude toward responsibility and paying your own way. Those tea party people, for the most part, work for a living. And you seem to think that what they worked hard for all of their lives belongs to you. More news…. work and responsible living are not dirty words. They are what made this country the great nation that it is. If the above comments make me a racist, by your definition, then I am a racist, through and through and damn proud of it.

LibraryJim

April 16th, 2010
8:41 am

I attended the Tea Party in Tallahassee, FL. It was a racially diverse crowd, as were the speakers. Estimates ran to between 1000 and 2000 present, so I would say about 1600.

We did have a few ‘infiltrators’, however they were quickly identified, and pointed out, and treated politely and with respect (although there were a few people with signs saying “Party Crasher”and an arrow — but that was mainly so the media would know that we knew.)

And when it was all over, only ONE bag of trash was collected. Try saying THAT about liberal protest group gatherings.

Cheryl M

April 16th, 2010
8:41 am

Bob Barr, would you please be honest with people and explain to them the facts on the fact that 47% of US Households paid No Income Tax. Please explain that it does NOT mean they pay no tax, nor does it mean they paid NO income tax through the year, what it means is that there were sufficient tax breaks and credits that in the end, their tax burden was either 0 or they had overpaid and received a refund…….People, wake up……Stop trying to blame everything on everyone else and listen for a change. REAL FACT – 95% of working Americans received a tax cut for 2009. YES, it’s not a theory, it’s a provable fact. The tax rates for ALL Americans is lower now than it was during the REAGAN years, it’s a provable fact. The “Tax & Spend” Liberal thing, is just a saying, not rooted in reality, because taxes have been reduced…..yes, there is spending, and alot of it which has been going on for a decade, but things are getting BETTER, that is also provable, even if you don’t feel it yet. I suspect however, given the demographics of the TEA Party Folk, The know it since 52% of them polled said they thought their taxes were FAIR. IF that is the case, then why is the party a supposed acronym for Taxed Enough Already? Please explain…If you think your share of the burden is fair, then what are you rallying about…….?

I saw the pictures

April 16th, 2010
8:44 am

“You’re creating strawmen arguments that nobody cares about.”

I didn’t create anything. I was responding to Mr. Barr’s comments. If there was a diverse crowd, fine. I was just wondering what constitutes diversity in this case.

Is the tea party for ending the war on drugs?

neo-Carlinist

April 16th, 2010
8:44 am

Jacobite, I am neither a racist, nor a liberal; and I have been a very vocal opponent of the two-party circus since Reagan was in office. I hate nobody, but I pity most Americans because like you, they seem to be incapable of rational, independent, critical thinking; lost without a soundbite from Sean, Rush, Keith, or Rahm. I didn’t vote for Obama, nor did I vote for Bush. as I see it, they’re BOTH complicit in this mess, and to hang deficits and malfeasance, or “socialist” on one and not the other is so much political hay-making (for the two party crowd). If the Tea Party movement is genuine, it will jetison the fringe element, formulate a cogent battle plan and go about acheiving the objective. I suspect it will be courted by the left and the right and absorbed into the status quo. Oh, and for the Newt Gingerich blather about Obama being “radical”, what do you think the Tea Party represents? sometimes “radical” is a badge of honor, not a scarlet letter (ditto: progressive – unless, of course, you don’t like progress). lecture aside, a series of pep rallies every April 15th and the “I’m not a racist, you’re a racist” stuff is more akin to a pro wrestling event than a political movement. And spare me your profound observations about racism (”isn’t just about color”). Where did I suggest it is?

neo-Carlinist

April 16th, 2010
8:50 am

Voice of Reason, re: American exceptionalism, read “The Limits of Power” by Andrew Bacevich and you might re-think your position on the current POTUS and Congress.

Cheryl M

April 16th, 2010
8:52 am

@ Jacobite, Yes those who have want to keep what they have. But they are all for others achieving the same level of wealth through their own labors, not at the expense of those who have already labored and prospered.

This is a classic argument, and let me say that African Americans, Poor English subjects, The Irish in the Appalachians, Native Americans and, and others who were brought here as slaves and indentured servants or killed off of their own lands felt exactly the same way! I can relate. I think it was an abomination that corporations, families, states etc… were able to flourish and enrich white American families for centuries off of the labor of others and the land of others who were never compensated justly for their work or their property. I agree……Everybody should have to work for what they have…..NOW, kindly deposit some of that prosperity into the bank of Poor folks since they worked for it long before you did! LOL!

Give me a break, let the man who never received help for anything stand up and take that crown, all others have to sit down and shut up for you made NOTHING by your self. Every American enjoys the benefits of subsidies and entitlements, even right down to the affordable food you eat, so let’s just all get off of the high horse and stop this incredibly selfish me, me, me my, mine thing…..WE LIVE OFF OF GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIES, The cars we drive, the clothes we wear, the food we eat, the TV we watch, everything is subsidized. You couldn’t afford to pay the actual COST of things were there no Government Subsidies.

Voice O'Reason

April 16th, 2010
8:54 am

As I stated, I understand that there is a racist element in all of society. To denegrate the Tea Party as a racist movement is unfair. People in the liberal media became enraged when Obama was compared to Hitler. Now I do NOT condone comparing any American to Hitler, but a few years ago someone at an anti-Bush protest wore a Bush mask with a Hitler mustache and devil horns and CNN referred to this person as a George Bush look-alike. I would wager that for every one person who is angry because Obama is black, there are probably better than 500 who are angry that he’s pushing as hard as possible to turn us into a disarmed, socialist society.

The fact is, both of the major parties are failing the American people.

Dan

April 16th, 2010
8:54 am

Great question, I Saw The Pictures. Smaller government would mean I would be free to cultivate hemp as our forefathers did. This movement would have much more credibility of they came out for something instead of coming out against Democrats. Otherwise they appear to simply be an arm of the GOP.

ugaaccountant

April 16th, 2010
9:00 am

Cheryl M – And we pay out of our *** in taxes to provide those subsidies so what’s your point?

TEA PARTY..member: Military Veteran

April 16th, 2010
9:02 am

BOB—–Now Obama..the Dems in Congress…..& the liberal Media see average Americans as the enemy…..JOURNALISM IS DEAD…indeed

CJ

April 16th, 2010
9:02 am

You liberals would’ve been proud (nothing like the spitting, name-calling and rock-throwing which you all do at your anti-war rallies): it was so tame it was almost boring! We had someone walking around with rules to remind us “thugs” not to raise our voices, name-call, etc.
It was VERY civil!

retiredds

April 16th, 2010
9:03 am

Bob, you mentioned “big government” in your speech. So would you, for me and your other readers of this blog, make a public confession that since you served the State of GA in Washington that you are a “big part of” the “big government” we have today. I generally agree with the Tea Party folks about government being too big. Where we part company is it seems that they portray the current administration as the main culprit. And while some of that may be true, this “big government” you and they denounce is of your and our (the American people which includes me) making as it has been growing for the last 50-60 years. WE collectively share responsibility by our demands and then moan and groan when the bill comes due and want someone else to pay for it. AND your Republican friends, as well as you, have contributed EQUALLY with the Democrats in its growth. So, Bob, I will be interested to see if you can take it upon yourself, in this blog, to admit to all of us that you have had a stake in the growth of “big gov’ment” too. My bet is you will continue to blame others for all of America’s woes.

TEA PARTY..member: Military Veteran

April 16th, 2010
9:04 am

DAN….they are not against Dems…..Use your brain..knucklehead..THEY ARE AGAINST HIGH TAXES….& LARGER…..LARGER…..GROWING GOVt……..& $13 trillion deficits..

neo-Carlinist

April 16th, 2010
9:05 am

Voice of Reason, is your handle a clever attempt at irony? Who cares if the liberal media thinks the Tea Party is racist? If you’re not a racist, what does it matter? Who cares what CNN aired while Bush was in office, or what some nimrod posted on his blog. In fact, most of the racists I know, where the title with honor. I believe the term in unabashed. This infantile game of “I know you are, but what am I?” belongs on a playground, not a political blog. As I understand it the objective of the Tea Party is to change the status quo as it relates to goverment. It seems to me the “objective” has been shift toward a battle with the media or ONLY the left-leaning segment of the status quo.

TEA PARTY..member: Military Veteran

April 16th, 2010
9:07 am

DAN……………just like the liberal Media…OBAMA……& CONGRESS….you just don’t get it…..YOU DO NOT THINK……….YOU DO NOT THINK…..

Ragnar Danneskjöld

April 16th, 2010
9:08 am

Good morning all. I am much impressed by the seemingly growing strength of the tea parties. I thought the groups would burn out by now, but I suppose the persistence of the leftist agenda in DC continues to give it life. Many commenters above note how the groups seem to be primarily anti-Democrat; I think that accurate, and reflects adversely on the shameful agenda of today’s democrats.

I guess I am to the point that I would vote for Hildebeest over Chauncey, and would vote for even the loopiest anti-democrat if he received a nomination by the republicans.

Dan

April 16th, 2010
9:11 am

Ok point taken, TEA PARTY member… Question back to you – when did they become against these things? If they were truly against these forms of government intrusion we would have heard of them when W was in the White House. If you are believe in a principle then you believe in it regardless of the political party in power. Notice I didn’t say regardless of what color the President is, but which party is in power. So save your “playing the race card” argument for someone else, as it is obvious that this is already your planned reply. Instead, address my question back to you honestly.

T-Town

April 16th, 2010
9:14 am

In 1968, during the Democratic National Convention a rally was held by thousands of young people of all races and creeds protesting the Vietnam War. The rally got out of hand and turned into a riot and was demonized by many within the Democratic Party as started by radicals, long hair hippie types, communists, black panthers, druggies, etc. The Republican Convention also had it’s protesters, though not as violent as those during the DNC.

There were many peaceful protests held all over the country during this time, but most were never covered. Why? Because as one reporter told me “jets takeoff and land every day without incident and are not news. Let one crash and it makes the front page. If it bleeds it leads.”

I remember demonstrations on campuses throughout the country being labeled as violent by the media and the police presents was beefed up to control the students (called hippies). When nothing happened, it did not make the news. Only when the students (or agitators as the papers would call them) would take over the Admin Offices did these incidents make the headlines. The tea party movement kinda reminds me of the same thing. The more things change the more they stay the same.

Dan

April 16th, 2010
9:16 am

Now you’re showing your TEA PARTYING @rse. How do you know I’m on the side of Obama, main stream media, etc. You know me now? You prove a long standing belief of mine, namely that those who shout the loudest are the most ignorant.

neo-Carlinist

April 16th, 2010
9:16 am

Cheryl M, good post. to all folks who claim this is “not about the Dems”, welcome to the United States of America! where did you call home between 2000-2008? I open my request to Voice of Reason (read everything and anyting you can by Andrew Bacevich), then pop-off.

I saw the pictures

April 16th, 2010
9:18 am

“DAN….they are not against Dems…..Use your brain..knucklehead..THEY ARE AGAINST HIGH TAXES….& LARGER…..LARGER…..GROWING GOVt……..& $13 trillion deficits..”

Taxes are VERY low right now as compared to historical levels. So, while no one likes taxes, it seems like a strange time to protest that. If this was 1956, under Eisenhower, I can see protesting.

Spending is high, I agree. But where was the outrage over Medicare part D passed just 5 years ago. Its almost as big as the current healthcare bill and congress made no attempt to even fund it.

As far as the scope of the government being too large, I would probably agree. I would like to see the war on drugs ended, and our involvement in foriegn military conflicts shrunken.

hotlanta

April 16th, 2010
9:22 am

I am gonna see how well organized they are gonna be when they find out that their “POSTER CHILD” Sarah Palin is big pimping them all the way to the bank since they are accusing the Obama administration of pimping the American people. She is saying “GOTCHA” meaning that I am saying what you guys want me to say so keep writing those checks.

Dan

April 16th, 2010
9:25 am

Still waiting for an answer to my question, TEA PARTY member…

Tea Party

April 16th, 2010
9:28 am

I can’t think of many people who actually like high taxes. I can’t think of many people who read the Constitution and see that the founders of our nation anticipated everything that would happen in the future of their fledgling republic. I think most people would like the government to be smaller than it is. Unfortunately, there are well over 300 million citizens in this country. Therefore, it would seem that the government has to be big.

I assume that defense spending has to be big. I mean, shouldn’t that be cut if no one wants to cut our twin Socialist behemoths (Social Security and Medicare)? Shouldn’t they all be cut? Should political expedience (and numerous re-elections to Congress) matter?

Shouldn’t everything always go the way we want it to go? More importantly, shouldn’t everything always go the way I want it to go?

Yes, because that’s life.

Mrs.White&Black

April 16th, 2010
9:32 am

I have some friends that are Tea Party members and every last one of them have told me that they don’t really have a problem with black ppl as long as they don’t marry into their family. It is politically incorrect to be racist therefore everyone will claim they are not a racist, to own up to this would hurt their cause….but anyone with any sense knows better. Not All of them are racist but most are.

Voice O'Reason

April 16th, 2010
9:34 am

to neo-Carlinist:
While not entirely nor intimately familiar with Bachevich’s work, I must say that I love your statement, and what I have perceived in many others, that you are not allowed to “pop off” as you say, without reading these certain opinions. I was under the impression that I was allowed to have an opinion, no matter how ill-advised it might be, without having to research everything about it. Call me crazy if you want to. At the same time, though, you should not let the opinions of one person, or party, dictate your own beliefs. I’m a small L libertarian at heart, but there are sever issues I disagree with the Libertarian party on. I would classify myself as an independent. I do research things. I do NOT sit around parroting the party line from any of the major parties. I like to think of myself as an “informed voter.” But please continue. I do enjoy being told that my opinion is of lesser value because I haven’t read a certain book.

TS

April 16th, 2010
9:39 am

Thank you, Mr. Barr, for pointing out the other side of the TEA Party crowd. I was there and it was a passive gathering with some great dialogue going on between the protesters. The only negative thing I saw was the sign the MARTA employee had in her window calling us racists.

Davo

April 16th, 2010
9:46 am

retiredds

April 16th, 2010
9:47 am

I read this morning that a CNN/NY Times poll of the general public and Tea Party people. I’ll let you interpret (or misinterpret) the poll on your own.

Sixty-two percent of all respondents in the poll said the income tax they have to pay is fair, while 30 percent called it unfair. That includes 6 in 10 Republicans and independents, and just over two-thirds of Democrats – a display of cross-party agreement rarely seen on any topic. It also includes most liberals, moderates and conservatives.

Perhaps even more surprising, though, is that even among the 18 percent of Americans who say they support the Tea Party movement, more than half call their own income tax fair. Sentiment turns more sour, however, among the smaller group of Tea Party supporters who are active in the movement. Most of them, 55 percent, regard the income tax they have to pay as unfair.

william mcniff

April 16th, 2010
9:56 am

Capt Elaine Magliacane it worked perfectly. Great acronym. racist

LibraryJim

April 16th, 2010
10:00 am

retiredds, @ 9:47

Under the Clinton tax code, I, earning less than 19,000, and having some investment income, had to PAY additional tax to the government based on Capital Gaines taxes. With a family of four, that really hurt. Then along came the Bush tax cuts, and suddenly, capital gains taxes were lowered and all of a sudden I didn’t have to pay any more than was already taken out. Whew, big relief.

Now I’m making just over 30,000, and I don’t want to see the tax cut expire, and the raise in the percentage Obama is proposing, because I will be back to where I was under Clinton. And I can’t afford it. Let me say that this is money that I don’t see, but is the result of an inheritance, which was already taxed when first earned, then when given, and now every year taxed again!

Do I agree with everything W. did? Heck no! I wrote and emailed, and helped shut down the capital switchboard over out of control spending, illegal amnesty, etc. I thought W. was stupid to go into a war without an exit or success strategy, even if his reasons at first were sound (and extensions of what the Democrats wanted Clinton to do!) but quickly bogged down. Obama must agree since he is not pulling any troops out of conflict in either Iraq or Afghanistan.

Did I physically protest? No, because I thought Cindy Sheehan and Code Pink were nut-cases (and most were!), or just built around hatred of W. Bush ( I still see some very offensive anti-Bush bumper stickers on cars). But Hillary came out and said “Dissent against this administration — against any administration — is the highest form of patriotism”. Now apparently that doesn’t apply because she LIKES this administration.

Cheryl M

April 16th, 2010
10:03 am

@ugaaccountant – My point is what’s your point? Everyone in America pays taxes…..Not all the same taxes, but taxes none the less. What those taxes pay for varies depending on which kind of tax you are paying. The big twisted fact bru-ha of the last two days was that 47% of American Households did not have to pay Income Tax. Sarah Palin and the rest of the group, immediately jumped on that statistic as they always do, with little to no understanding of what the statistic means. That or they purposely mislead their listeners to think it means that 47% of the people of America live off of 53% of Americans work. I then witnessed that false argument morph into what we see here, which is allegations that 47% of Americans are poor, and or slackers and are getting propped up by “Real Americans” who labor and get nothing, while the poor suck off the teats! This is simply not true.

As I did before, It is important to note that of that 47%, how many are Senior Citizens who are lower income social security recipients, how many disabled, how many are unemployed? How many are in the High Income bracket, with loop holes and ways to get out of paying income tax. Then we go to the regular working family, who because of Reagan’s Earned Income Credit and Child Tax Credit, coupled with the Bush Tax Credits, and Now Obama Tax Credits, receive enough offsets in credits that they receive a refund on the Income Taxes they pay throughout the year. As their children become adults, their burden shifts and they lose those family tax credits and begin to have an income tax burden. This how a progressive tax system works, it does NOT mean by any stretch that only one group of Tax payers take care of the rest. All workers pay FICA, and Medicare, which benefit all, we don’t personally have a social security account, or medicare account each generation takes care of the previous with their FICA and Medicare withholding. We all subsidize each other. To say one does everything for himself, and implore others to do the same is simply dishonest because that is not the way our system works. It never has by the way! Not even in the days of the founding fathers so many love to invoke.

Davo

April 16th, 2010
10:03 am

SA@TAC – Are Tea Partiers Racist?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh8Kc9rVRvs&feature=player_embedded

“In reality, this kind of commentary is nothing new. We see it every time conservatives have any political momentum whatsoever. The idea is that by shouting ‘racist,’ these liberal columnists can make their opponents shut up. But this is a very angry and polarized political climate. By racializing issues that are not inherently racial in nature, they are fanning the flames of the very hatred they claim to oppose.”

SA@TAC – Sarah Palin’s Bad Tea
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnDJIFgE0nU&feature=related

“If the tea parties are supposed to represent a break from the big spending of both parties, Palin’s foreign policy views alone negate the entire tea party message. If the largest part of the U.S. budget—defense—is to be expanded indefinitely in the name of “toughness,” how can grassroots conservatives argue against bailouts, stimulus, and national healthcare, each of which costs much less?”

Greg

April 16th, 2010
10:10 am

“Rule 5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.” – Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky

Keep up the good fight!

April 16th, 2010
10:10 am

If it is a true forum for concerns, then lets also be clear about its sponsors and their agenda’s as well as straightening out the lies.

1. Obama has not raised taxes. In fact 95% of working Americans benefited from tax cuts this year ($173 billion worth this year) and as a result, a middle income family of 4 is paying the 2d lowest percentage of taxes in the past 50 years.

2. American’s For Prosperity is headed by Koch who has contributed over $5 million to AFP. AFP sponsors tea partys. Why? Koch has an agenda against climate change because it.

If we are going to fix the deficit problem, we have to do 2 things. Cut spending (realistically). And be sure that the super rich pay their fair share of taxes at the same rates as middle income and that corporations pay taxes to the US.

mpercy

April 16th, 2010
10:12 am

Cheryl M @8:41 am: facts about taxes

Your point? Speaking only of income taxes, If, when you file your return, you have zero or even negative total tax liability, then you *paid no taxes*, even if you had pre-paid estimated taxes (withholdings). Now, we’re not talking about someone who had $5000 withheld and got a $450 refund–they *paid* $4550 in taxes.

In 2008 there were 142,350,256 returns filed. Of those, 51,631,917 (36.3%) had total tax liability of $0 or less. About 15 million more people file no return (and presumably therefore pay no income taxes). This brings the total to about 47%.

And before you go on about payroll taxes, the TaxPolicyCenter statistics say that 11.7% of filers received enough refundable tax credits to offset their payroll taxes, and so have not only 0 or negative total income tax liability, but also have 0 or negative *combined* income & payroll taxes.

The issue not simply that they pay nothing (or worse, get a welfare check from the IRS), that’s shortsighted. It’s that they have no skin in the game, but get to make the rules (vote) and may soon represent the majority. When a majority pay nothing, but can vote, what will stop them from simply voting for more stuff for themselves?

And the notion that those who *do* pay are constantly criticized for not “paying their fair share” is just adding insult to injury. The top 10% of taxpayers paid 71.22% of all income taxes (2007) despite earning only 48.05% of all income. If that’s not their “fair share”, how can 51 million returns paying nothing or less _possibly_ be paying a “fair share”.

The notion that taxes went down for 95% of Americans is odd, since 47% of Americans don’t pay any taxes, how could it go lower? Oh yeah, we’re giving them extra money directly through the IRS in larger refundable tax credits. So we’re borrowing money to give welfare checks to millions of filers.

And for those who claimed that the Bush tax cuts helped only the rich “Entering the 2000s with one in four tax filers owing nothing, the nonpayers pool was supercharged by the Bush tax cuts in 2001 and 2003—especially by the doubling of the child credit to $1,000. By 2004, when the credit expansion was fully phased in, the number of nonpayers increased by 10.5 million, a 32-percent jump in the space of four years.” [TaxFoundation.org].

More from TaxFoundation.org:

A nonpaying tax return is one filed by an individual or couple who, thanks to legal credits and deductions, owes nothing. Most people who get a refund after filing their tax returns are not nonpayers; they have overpaid their taxes through paycheck withholding and are being refunded just a tiny portion of that payment.

But during 2008, more than a third of all tax returns resulted in complete nonpayment; that is, people got back every dollar that was withheld from their paychecks during the year. Many got quite a bit more, turning Tax Day into a payday.

Nonpaying status used to be a sure sign of poverty or near-poverty, but Congress and the President have changed the tax laws to pull much of the middle class into the growing pool of nonpayers. The income level at which a typical family of four will owe no income taxes has risen rapidly, now topping $51,000.

Most tax credits can only reduce a taxpayer’s amount due to zero, but the EITC and the child tax credit are also refundable, meaning that taxpayers are eligible to receive a check even if they have paid no income tax during the year. Those tax returns have become, in effect, a claim form for a subsidy delivered through the tax system in much the same way that a traditional government program sends out a welfare check or a farm support check.

In 2008, 25 million tax filers received $51.6 billion in EITC benefits. Of this amount, $50.5 billion was refundable in excess of their income tax liability. Also in 2008, some 25.3 million filers received $30.7 billion in child tax credit benefits, with more than 18 million of these filers getting $20.5 billion in refundable checks. Many families are eligible for both the EITC and the child credit. These are not refunds of overpaid tax; they are payments to people who have already gotten back everything that was withheld from their paychecks during the year.

Keep up the good fight!

April 16th, 2010
10:13 am

Opps… missed part about Koch…Koch is against climate change because it is an oil and chemical company. David Koch is funding Tea Party through AFP… not your average american. Wonder why?

Matt

April 16th, 2010
10:17 am

where were you guys during the passing Patriot Act? Or during warrantless wiretapping? It seems to me, government is too large only when a Democrat is in charge. If there was more consistency in your message, I might take you more seriously, but there isn’t, so I don’t. I hate paying taxes as much as the next guy, but I like having things like roads, schools and police. So, I realize that I have to contribute. As far as me working hard so others don’t have to, I’d happily trade my job and lower tax bracket for higher pay and a higher tax bracket. So, if you’re sick of “paying for me”, I’ll happily trade with you. I constantly hear the tea party say that they’re sick of big government from both sides, but there were 8 years last decade of big government infringing on our individual rights, but not a peep from you guys.

TS

April 16th, 2010
10:19 am

@Keep up the good fight-

“If we are going to fix the deficit problem, we have to do 2 things. Cut spending (realistically). And be sure that the super rich pay their fair share of taxes at the same rates as middle income and that corporations pay taxes to the US.”

I agree with this point you make. However, there are two groups of Americans that don’t pay taxes – the rich and what the government calls “poor” – you know, those with cell phones, satelitte TV, internet, and cars. If you are in the middle- which most of us are – you get stuck with the burden.

Also, raising corporate taxes is not the answer. The #1 problem in America is unemployment. The second is the deficit. Raises taxes on corporations and they have less money to invest in hiring new people, technology, new inititives, etc. Since companies essentially spend what they make if you raise their taxes they have less to spend on growing our economy. It is painfully simple.

rich

April 16th, 2010
10:24 am

Of course they were well behaved, most lobotomy patients are. Heck, that’s why they got the lobotomy.

No More Progressives!

April 16th, 2010
10:24 am

Keep up the good fight!

April 16th, 2010
10:10 am

If we are going to fix the deficit problem, we have to do 2 things. Cut spending (realistically). And be sure that the super rich pay their fair share of taxes at the same rates as middle income and that corporations pay taxes to the US.

Cut spending: yes, dramatically.

When do you graduate from “rich” to “super rich?” How do you tell? Why can’t you understand that dividends, capital gains and interest income is taxed differently than W-2 income?

Exactly what is their fair share? 50%? 65%? 75%? Their first born male?

The left has 3 basic mantra’s: soak the rich, regualte and tax everything that moves. Gets kinda boring after a while.

Voice O'Reason

April 16th, 2010
10:25 am

I must say I love this “make the super rich pay their fair share” argument. The top 1% of wage earners already pay nearly 40% of all income taxes. Meanwhile, the bottom 50% of wage earners, those who are classified as “over-taxed,” pay only 3.3% of the taxes.

Richard

April 16th, 2010
10:27 am

Bob,

The problem with the Tea Party is that they are being very hypocritical. I never saw any of them during the 8 years of Bush passing every spending bill that went across his desk. Had they done that, I’d take them more seriously (and I’d probobly sign up).

The next problem with them is using Sarah Palin as a spokesperson. Palin remember is the same former govenor that forced oil companies to redistribute money to the Alaska citizens (an entitlement). The person they need to be promoting is a guy like Ron Paul who votes against issuing medals to save money.

mpercy

April 16th, 2010
10:27 am

Keep up the good fight! 10:10 am

1. Obama has not raised taxes.

Yet. And we’re trying to keep it that way.

In point of fact, legislation has been passed that raise taxes, but the actually increases were shrewdly (cynically) defered until after the upcoming elections (mid-term and 2012). Starting in 2013, taxes rocket up on millions of people.

One element of Obamacare is to increase the threshold for deductability of medical expenses from 7.5% to 10%, hurting many of the very people who “needed” help in the first place. Same goes for the $2500 cap on flex spending plans (and reducing the things that can be purchased with FS dollars to only prescription drugs).

There’s the 40% excise tax on “cadillac plans”, which are to be defined later, and will impact an unknown number of people (but apparently a lot of union members). And the 10% surtax on tanning booths.

Matt

April 16th, 2010
10:28 am

these problems facing our economy are NOT simple. They’re very complex and very few of us truly understand them. What works for one family, may not work for another and so on and so forth…

Our economy is very complex. It’s easy to be an armchair quarterback, but it’s a whole lot more difficult when you’re actually out there. I think it’s very naive to assume that a) you fully understand what’s facing our nation (myself and most of really don’t, but the 24 hour news cycle has got us all thinking we’re financial experts when we’re anything but.. b) that the solutions to complex problems are “painfully simple”… they’re not. What works for you and your business and family may not work at all for another. It’s extremely DIFFICULT coming up with a policy that works for everyone.

neo-Carlinist

April 16th, 2010
10:31 am

Voice of Reason, I just crafted repsonse and apparently it has disappeared. First off, you are not crazy, but if you truly view yourself as “well-informed” you would benefit from the information provided by Bacevich’s book, which is; The Limits of Power: THE END OF AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM. see, it’s already ended – as opposed to your theory that Obama and his tax and spend minions in the house want to “end American exceptionalism. If you want to know why? American exceptionalism has ended, read the book. it’s boring and dispassionate, as ALL history books should be; but it presents a very accurate image of the true narrative of American geo-political history in the 20th and 21st century. consumerism fueled by debt and dependence on fossil fuel, which leads to war are the culprits and not some closet “socialist” in the White House. and furthermore, here’s a memo: Sarah Palin isn’t embracing the Tea Party, she’s recruiting it (for the GOP, which in case you were not here between 2000 and 2008 has it’s finger prints all over the $10 trillion mess everyone is lamenting).

Keep up the good fight!

April 16th, 2010
10:31 am

TS…. so your presumption is that those with cells phones and cars and internet are living a life of luxury and should pay taxes. Cars are necessary to get to minimum paying jobs especially when there are places that have no bus or public transportation…which most of you dont want to fund.

Cell phones are important for families to communicate and probably cheaper and better than landlines….

Satellite TV — not going to try to justify this but your assumption is that all have this.

Internet — hmmm same thing but then since most jobs are not listed on the net, you have to have public access…oh right, libraries are now cut so not much access there.

Your simplistic answer on corporate taxes is crap. Corporations like GE pay plenty of taxes to foreign governments and invest money there. They paid NO US taxes but have the benefits of US sales. So your answer shows you are still under the believe that is what is “fair” for the poor, is not fair for the rich corporations without proof that they will, at the margin, make additional investment because of tax credits or no taxes. There is plenty of evidence to contradict your overly simplistic argument….but of course, you dont want to see the “fairness” and reality.

Matt

April 16th, 2010
10:33 am

and stop throwing around the word “liberal media” when you darn well know you get 100% of your news from sources like Fox and other conservative based media. So, your exposure to so-called “liberal” media is absolutely nil. The only “liberal media” you get is when it’s regurgitated and blown out of proportion on the “news” outlets you frequent.

Voice O'Reason

April 16th, 2010
10:34 am

Concerning Sarah Palin… I don’t want her in the Tea Party. She was a bad candidate, and she’s a bad representative of the movement.

And if we’re goign to say that American exceptionalism is already dead, then we should just roll over and accept that America is now a Euor-social-welfare state.

But more to the fact, I’m starting to think that neo-Carlinist is actually Bachevich in disguise. You seem pretty hung up on this guy’s book. I’m wondering if you bothered to form your own opinion on the matter at all.

G. Bush

April 16th, 2010
10:36 am

I sure am glad the Tea Party didn’t mind my spending. That would have been a real problem because I’m a Republican. Everyone knows all of this is the Democrats fault. By the way, the Iraqi oil revenue should start coming in any day now as promised. Mission Accomplished!

Paulo977

April 16th, 2010
10:37 am

Pro Teapartiers … please try and learn the reasons for taxes . My relative,a nurse, down here from Canada to help with my husbands cancer surgery care is absolutely appalled at what we are going through with demands by hospital and insurance co for deductibles, co pays , insurance card evidence etc etc whereas in Canada the decent taxes have eliminated all the harassing demands that do not help recovery . She’ll keep her taxes ,thank you !

mpercy

April 16th, 2010
10:40 am

Richard @10:27 am The problem with the Tea Party is that they are being very hypocritical. I never saw any of them during the 8 years of Bush passing every spending bill that went across his desk.

I wrote any number of strongly disapproving letters to Bush and my congress critters during the Bush administration. I opposed the farm bill that was passed, NCLB, and the medicare drug bill. I opposed the immigration reform. I didn’t have a blog back then, so I wasn’t public about it, but could probably produce copies of the emails. If I had protested pin public I would have just been one guy with a sign.

I’m not sure how you can not understand that the frustration has been growing for some time. People are angry about plenty of spending that happened in Bush’s administration–I mostly blame the Congresses, but recognize that Bush could/should’ve vetoed much of the spending). For many, the final straws were TARP, the bailout of GM&Chrysler (and especially the way that bondholders were screwed over in favor of the unions), and the stimulus bill (which was passed unread by Congress). Also, it wasn’t the election of Obama, per se, but the wholesale control of government by one party–and a party that has expressed “socialist” tendencies for many years–and the fear that no matter how bad and stupid things were under Bush (and we freely will admit there was plenty), we could envision that things would most likely be worse, much much worse under a unchecked mono-party system (which is what we had with 60 Democrat votes in the Senate).

TS

April 16th, 2010
10:45 am

OK, so I guess we can assume every corporation is like GE – 300,000 employees and $105 billion a year in revenue. Is that right? I guess by your argument we can also assume that every company sends all of their money overseas. And you call my argument simplistic.

Over 80% of the country works for a small or mid-sized business – less than 500 employees. These are the companies that produce our jobs and all this administration wants to do is drown them in red tape. They have to SPEND money to stay compliant with government regulations and they spend a LOT of money to pay taxes.

neo-Carlinist

April 16th, 2010
10:49 am

Voice of Reason, your comments about Pallin are very “reasonable”. this is a great country, or at least it was. we still have a lot going for us, but the sooner we accept that we have reached the “limits” of our “power” (we are no longer “exceptional” in the world’s eyes). I am not Andrew Bacevich, but I did write him in on my 2008 Presidential ballot. I was disappointed Obama didn’t find a cabinet or staff position for him. He (Bacevich) cares about the USA. Let me know about American exceptionalism the next time you go to Wal-Mart. We have swapped a manufacturing and agrarian economy for an econonmy fueled by Wall Street card tricks. we can wave the flag, shout political epithets at each other, we can, as Bacevich has done, perform the post-mortem and love forward.

mpercy

April 16th, 2010
10:53 am

Matt 10:17 am where were you guys during the passing Patriot Act? Or during warrantless wiretapping? It seems to me, government is too large only when a Democrat is in charge.

No, I send letters to my elected representatives about those, too. I sent email copies to friends&family. Bob Barr was vocal in his opposition. I even wrote about Bob Barr back then in one of my email to f&f circa 2006:

It’s really kind of ironic that someone who I once thought to be an
ultra-right-wing blowhard had in the recent years exhibited some of the
best arguments against extremism on both sides (he’s been highly
critical of the administration’s wiretapping and illegal immigration,
for example). More liberal members of my family are also stunned that he
seems to say the “right things” as far as they’re concerned too, to the
point of being shocked to get to the end of the article a realize it
was *that* Bob Barr.

P.S. The PATRIOT Act, passed 99-1 in the Senate and 357-66 in the House (plenty of Dems supported it). It was recently extended unchanged by Obama/Pelosi/Reid government in a 315-97 House vote and by a Senate voice vote.

Cheryl M

April 16th, 2010
10:54 am

@MPercy – your tax foundation portion, exactly made my point. The Tax code is a progressive scale, meaning that sometimes and in some cases you pay sometimes you don’t. Most families with children under the age of 17 are eligible for the Child Tax Credit and low earning families of children under 17 the EIC. These offset some of the cost of raising a family. When your children are 17, you are not eligible for these credits, and if you do not have additional credits, you may not have overpaid your taxes. (Unless you take advantage of the multitude of additional tax credits available) It may not seem fair to you if you have no children, I know it didn’t when I didn’t, but when you have them, it’s a blessing. I am not saying that it is all equal, it isn’t, but it’s the way it works.

And everyone has skin in the game, just not all the same skin…..That’s the point, we all pay sales tax, FICA, Medicare, Most pay State tax and if you have them local taxes. If you own property, whether you pay income tax or not, you pay property tax, and all of it goes into different pots and gets used by society. Whether or not you get a refund in the end, the money from your check goes into the pot, gets used by the people, and then if you qualify, gets returned to you without interest. That goes for the man at McDonalds and the car wash, to the executive on Wall Street. and yes, 95%, whether it was in Payroll tax reduction, new home purchases credits, cash for clunkers, credits to winterize your home….the list goes on, there were opportunities for most Americans to lower their tax burden this year. That’s not theory, it is a fact. Perhaps that’s why 52% of the Tea Party respondents said they thought their tax burden was FAIR!

You want everyone to have equal skin in the game, not just skin in the game, but that will NEVER happen, nor should it. Your grandmother can never pay at the rate hedge fund manager making $4 billion would pay, (if he really paid without all the loopholes what he should be paying) and why would you think that was fair that she should?

Cheryl M

April 16th, 2010
11:02 am

@Keep up the good fight – I too often wonder about this low taxes for Corporations keeps them hiring Americans? When did that prove to be true. Under Bush, Corporations paid the lowest taxes many of them pay NONE, and still they shipped the jobs off shore or opened in Mexico. They took advantage of the tax credits they got, and still didn’t open one plant or hire one worker. They refuse organized labor and threaten to shut down it the workers organize, but still shut down anyway, and move to Mexico or China. This is more trickle down, and it has NEVER worked in recent history. Too much greed……I keep hearing about the Bush Tax Cuts for the wealthy, and the Trickle down theory, but when does it work. If people aren’t buying products, then companies will not increase production, therefore there will be no hiring, so what good does tax cuts for the rich and presumed Job Creators do for the country? Giving the tax breaks to the middle and working class, puts money in their hands to spend, which increases demand, which increases production which increases hiring. Not the other way around, Money in the hand so the rich right now gets held because they don’t want to risk it. Trickle down is just like GHW. Bush said, Voodoo Economics!

Voice O'Reason

April 16th, 2010
11:02 am

Well, I’m sorry that I don’t want to accept my country as a bloated dead carcass. I still think that America can lead, and really should lead. Think how the world would look today if not for the actions of America. I’ll admit that we aren’t perfect. We’ve done some crappy things. But the good outweighs the bad.

I don’t think we should perform a post-mortem on something that isn’t dead, regardless of what one man says. There was a time when America lead by example. Now, though, we have a president who bows to every foreign leader he meets. He apologizes for every action America takes. He even loathes the fact that America is a military power “whether we like it or not.”

I happen to come from the Reagan school of thought. Peace through superior firepower.

Blake

April 16th, 2010
11:02 am

The amount of ignorance on this web-page is sad, though i find it quite funny reading your comments, you all act like the republicans are ignorant and wrong for using their rights, the real irony is that you all do the exact same thing every day you are on this earth, blaming everything on bush, your also saying that people expressing their rights and showing this disapproval of all the socialistic things that are going on is wrong.

Bush was one of the best things to happen to this country, but then again, wasn’t “Obama”?

Think deeper, it will benefit you… Oh by the way, wasn’t Jim Jones a influential speaker, bringing ” hope, change, and reason” he was socialistic, and look at what happened, 914 Americans dead, just because you want everyone to believe your side of the story doesn’t mean they should, quit being so ignorant and open your eyes, your side did the same crap, but even more disgracefully when i went to a Palin speech in Wisconsin, there were bus fulls of liberals shipped in to throw stuff, yell stuff, and cause a scene, the sad this is, im a 17 year old kid, and i decided to do a school report on this, and all i could find on the democratic party was childish media driven poop.

-Blake
age : 17
Status : Concerned for my Generations future, you hippies had your time, back off.

G. Bush

April 16th, 2010
11:07 am

mpercy, forgive me, but for 6 years my party did control the White House, Senate and House of Rep.. So while me and Dick were busy making sure Haliburton didn’t have to bid on the multi billion dollar contracts we gave them, our party was making sure we got everything we wanted. BTW, we also wanted to make sure that I could come to your house, take you out of the country, never tell you or your family why, heck, we don’t even need to tell them where you are, and keep you there FOREVER if we want. How is that for smaller government? Big bad Obama gonna get you!!!

mpercy

April 16th, 2010
11:12 am

Cheryl M @10:54 am

Again with the “overpaid”. The point is not that someone overpaid their income taxes. It’s that they paid 0 taxes and quite possibly were handed a welfare check from the IRS. 47% pay no federal income taxes, 12% pay no federal income taxes nor payroll taxes (due to offsetting credits).

I completely understand progressive taxes and the supposed rational behind them. I even support mildly progressive taxes (just not on income). You know that progressive taxes on income was one of Mark’s principles for communism?

All the other taxes you listed are state/local taxes, and are properly only the concern of people in those states and locales (i.e., it is not the job of the federal government to help people pay their state taxes). And the truth is we don’t *all* pay income taxes, FICA, Medicare–the numbers are incontrovertible.

If you don’t pay federal taxes, then you have no skin in the game of the operation of the federal government.

At no point did I ever say anything that can be construed as implying that I “want everyone to have equal skin in the game, not just skin in the game”. What I’d like is that everyone have *some* skin in the game (i.e. that we not have 51 million people paying $0 in federal income taxes). Last year I paid 21.7% of my gross income (not adjusted gross income, mind you) in federal income taxes. Compared to those who paid 0% or negative 10%, it seems a little unfair that they get the same voting power that I get, and I fear for the day when are the majority and realize they can simply start voting for those who promise to give them more (taken away from the fewer and fewer people who actually pay).

P.S. Every one of the giveaways you mentioned was borrowed money. There is not enough revenue to pay for the government we have, let alone more giveaways. China will stop buying our debt soon, and then we’ll have to start the inflationary printing presses.

BeBe KID

April 16th, 2010
11:17 am

The Tea Party has given many frustrated white people the excuse that they were always looking for to spew their venomous hatred of black people. Many of these tea partiers are too high to get over and too low to go under they are stuck in middle class and are viewed as peasants by wealthy white people. Many Tea Partiers blame their frustrations, shortcomings and dissatisfaction with life on black people. They suffer from covetuousnes, lack and want desperately to be part of the white elite. Blame is placed on the black people who they view as being irresponsible and having an unrealistic sense of entitlement. This is how many Tea Partiers rationalize their shortcomings seeking to place blame on a group of people they feel superior to. These people are being misled for profit by FOX News, the Hannitys, Palins, Becks, O’Reillys and Limbaughs who play on their ignorance, stupidity and lack of reading comprehension. Many TPs hold great resentment for successful black people like Cynthia Tucker and President Obama. Somehow black success is viewed as deprivation of oppurtunity for some deserving white person. These people are sick and will most likely got to Hell to be with the leader who is ultimately responsible for them Satan. Sad!

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
11:22 am

Damn straight it was well-behaved! Even Chris Matthews couldn’t argue that one.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
11:23 am

“The Tea Party has given many frustrated white people the excuse that they were always looking for to spew their venomous hatred of black people.”

Yet you have absolutely no proof of that ignorant stupid claim. I’ve been asking crack head left wingers like yourself for any proof of any racist comments etc from the tea party.

So far…….nothing.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
11:23 am

“Many Tea Partiers blame their frustrations, shortcomings and dissatisfaction with life on black people.”

Please show some proof of this stupid claim.

NAACP is a terrorist group

April 16th, 2010
11:24 am

The NAACP is more racist than any other political group out there.

Black people who belong to this group or support it hate white people.

retiredds

April 16th, 2010
11:25 am

Bob, just got in from working in the yard. I see that you have not responded to my blog post @ 9:03. I am not surprised. It’s always easier to blame the “big government” stuff on the other guy.

Robert Byrd Democrat and KKK member

April 16th, 2010
11:25 am

“you can put lipstick on the klan, but it’s still the klan!”

You’re telling me!!!!! I’z been hanging me some black folk fo years.

hotlanta

April 16th, 2010
11:31 am

We want to take “OUR” country back is the slogan. Excuse me it belonged to the Indians first. Why are yall saying the Obama is a socialist or communist and you are still walking around and not in jail for starting a ruckus. DUHH!!!!!! The tea partiers were well bahave beause they ain’t nothing but a bunch of played out Woodstockers who are toooooo old to stand up.

I bet Sarah Palin got a $ symbol on her hand now because her deficit just went down with the checks you guys keep writing her. She knows better than to go toe to toe with the President on the issues. Like a child on the playground she better find another toy to play with because President Obama is not the one and she knows it..

Haile Selassie I

April 16th, 2010
11:34 am

Where were the Tea Baggers when

(1) America invaded Iraq under false pretense?

(2) W. Bush help turn a surplus into a deficit?

(3) GM closed plants in Michigan and began outsourcing jobs to Mexico?

(4) Dutch Reagan and Ollie North sold weapons to the Iranians and ran drugs for the Contras?

(5) W.Bush increased gross debt from $5.6 trillion in January 2001 to $10.7 trillion by December 2008?

(6) Israel was receving $106 billion in assistance from the USA during the last 60 years?

Robert Byrd Democrat and KKK member

April 16th, 2010
11:37 am

“Where were the Tea Baggers when”

Being drowned out by the Iraq War protesters who are now silent……..

It must suck to be a left winger.

Robert Byrd Democrat and KKK member

April 16th, 2010
11:40 am

“The tea partiers were well bahave beause they ain’t nothing but a bunch of played out Woodstockers who are toooooo old to stand up.”

And you can’t spell. Oh, the woodstockers are running the Democrat Party right now. From reading your poor grammatically written sentence, I’m sure you failed history as well. Not to mention civics.

neo-Carlinist

April 16th, 2010
11:43 am

Voice of Reason, “post mortem” was my term, not AB’s. With all due respect to your admiration for Reagan, we have enjoyed superior firepower, but not peace since the early 90’s – and I hate to do this, but AB points out it is our obsession with “superior firepower” which has led us to the false sense that we are “exceptional”. Namely that we can use our best-trained, best-equipped military to “project power” where we desire (Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia). Note: these imperial boondoggles were championed by Dems as well as Reps, and nose, save maybe the first and second years in Afghanistan, concerned American national security (the true role of the DoD). And as always, these crusades were financed by debt/deficits. That’s all I am going to say about AB and American exceptionalism. I suspect you, like many simply assumed we were an “exceptional leader” because Reagan told you we were. Maybe from 1945-1960, but a perfect political storm that pre-dates WWII ended that phase in American history my friend.

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
11:44 am

What we REALLY need is term limits! No more retirement for pass elected, and GET RID of the electorial college – let the peoples vote count.. First the GOP, then DEM, back to GOP, back to DEM – time for a real “of the prople, by the people” back in office. time to get rid of them all

Haile Selassie I

April 16th, 2010
11:47 am

Robert Byrd Democrat and KKK member

Is that the best you can do? You people are really selective, aren’t you? It must suck knowing that the old days are not coming back. What is that saying your people have it the south?

“If heaven aint like Dixie I don’t want to go”

LOL!

BeBe KID

April 16th, 2010
11:48 am

Tea Party Tim

You are so stupid! Racism in the Tea Party is like humidity. You can’t see it but you feei it.

G. Bush

April 16th, 2010
11:50 am

Republican is just another word for simpleton. Idiots rednecks fighting tooth and nail for their own demise. Do you honestly think the Republican party establishment gives a rats ass about low income people. I’m not talking about black low income people, I’m talking about the confederate flag waving, good old Southern boys riding around. Misplaced anger. Ooops. I’m sorry. We need them to vote for my brother in 2012. Disregard everything I just said. BOO! Obama gonna get you white boy! And make you speak French!!!

Robert Byrd Democrat and KKK member

April 16th, 2010
11:50 am

“Is that the best you can do? You people are really selective, aren’t you?”

Nope, I can really unleash if you’d like. Selective? You mean like when you ladies were protesting the war etc yet you say nothing now? Or how about when you ladies were crying about jobs, high gas prices and say nothing now?

“It must suck knowing that the old days are not coming back.”

You mean when we all had jobs? Yeah, with Obamao in charge we can all enjoy high gas prices, high unemployment and high taxes.

“What is that saying your people have it the south?”

We have many sayings: If you hate the south, move. Don’t piss in the wind and my favorite…..piss off liberals.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
11:52 am

“You are so stupid! Racism in the Tea Party is like humidity. You can’t see it but you feei it.”

HAHAHA!!!!!!!

I have two masters degrees, ma’am. Trust me, I am Einstein compared to you. Oh, before you call someone stupid, you may want to check your spelling. Idiot.

I feel that you are….a high school drop out who lives in her moms basement.

How’s that for feelings!!!!!!!

Democrat voters are uneducate racists who hate white people

April 16th, 2010
11:53 am

Question:

CAN ANY OF YOU LEFT WING GOONS PROVIDE ANY EVIDENCE THAT THE TEA PARTY IS RACIST?

BeBe KID

April 16th, 2010
11:54 am

LibraryJim

I attended the Tea Party in Tallahassee, FL. It was a racially diverse crowd, as were the speakers. Estimates ran to between 1000 and 2000 present, so I would say about 1600.

1. With the exception of FAMU, FAMU is the BOMB! Tallahassee, FL is a medium sized RED-NECK hick town!

Haile Selassie I

April 16th, 2010
11:59 am

Robert Byrd Democrat and KKK member

If you need a job acquire better skills. I have a great job in the IT sector and I have private business interests. I can pay my taxes and I can afford gas.

Is it Barack’s fault that America started outsourcing jobs in the 80s?

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
11:59 am

keep is simple – we can ALL speak about hate, but WHY? It is very simple, time to remove the GOP/DEM parties, and create a party that works with the PEOPLE “not the special interest $$$$” but hey we all know that $$$$ runs the world, why else would GWB have had the “FALSE FLAG” done on 9/11/2001? Let’s face the truth, their concerns are about $$$$$ and only $$$$$

Democrat voters are uneducate racists who hate white people

April 16th, 2010
12:01 pm

For all the idiots on here who think the tea party is racist.

Black conservative tea party backers take heat

They’ve been called Oreos, traitors and Uncle Toms, and are used to having to defend their values. Now black conservatives are really taking heat for their involvement in the mostly white tea party movement—and for having the audacity to oppose the policies of the nation’s first black president.

“I’ve been told I hate myself. I’ve been called an Uncle Tom. I’ve been told I’m a spook at the door,” said Timothy F. Johnson, chairman of the Frederick Douglass Foundation, a group of black conservatives who support free market principles and limited government.

“Black Republicans find themselves always having to prove who they are. Because the assumption is the Republican Party is for whites and the Democratic Party is for blacks,” he said.

G. Bush

April 16th, 2010
12:02 pm

Very impressive Tea Party Tim. It also shows that an idiot can get two masters degrees. The bottom line is this, if you were not shouting about this from 2001-2008 when the Republican party ruled, then shut the hell up now, and get out of the way. You may have a masters degree, but you lack the courage to speak out against the Republican party that did the same thing that is going on now. Deficit spending, loss of personal liberties, and a love for bigger government. Even your name is stupid.

Robert Byrd Democrat and KKK member

April 16th, 2010
12:04 pm

“If you need a job acquire better skills. I have a great job in the IT sector and I have private business interests. I can pay my taxes and I can afford gas.”

I have a job, ma’am. I’m sure you do have a job in the IT department scanning over porn etc..

“Is it Barack’s fault that America started outsourcing jobs in the 80s?”

Not sure what the 80s have to do with todays 10% unemployment rate.

In any case, unemployment was lower under Bush than it is under Obama. It’s his economy now.

G. Bush

April 16th, 2010
12:05 pm

I don’t think the Tea Party is racist. I think they are really closeted Gays.

TEA PARTY..member: Military Veteran

April 16th, 2010
12:07 pm

WE KNOW BOB…..WE KNOW……DIDN’T THINK OTHERWISE……you are tlling me something I already know…….

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
12:08 pm

“It also shows that an idiot can get two masters degrees. ”

Hey, that’s no way to talk about Obama!

“The bottom line is this, if you were not shouting about this from 2001-2008 when the Republican party ruled, then shut the hell up now, and get out of the way.”

You gonna make me shut up? NOPE! F U

“You may have a masters degree, but you lack the courage to speak out against the Republican party that did the same thing that is going on now.”

You obviously know nothing about the Tea Party.

“Even your name is stupid.”

HA!!!! That’s all you have? Making fun of my blog name is all you have.

I love watching the left wing implode!

See ya in November!

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
12:09 pm

“I don’t think the Tea Party is racist. I think they are really closeted Gays.”

Well you do like bending over and taking it from behind…..

Just sayin

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
12:11 pm

One of Obamao’s biggest supporter and owner of NBC and PMSNBC didn’t pay any taxes. Liberals remain silent.

GE: 7,000 tax returns, $0 U.S. tax bill

General Electric filed more than 7,000 income tax returns in hundreds of global jurisdictions last year, but when push came to shove, the company owed the U.S. government a whopping bill of $0.

Cheryl M

April 16th, 2010
12:12 pm

I agree with the American right to dissent. I understand the ideal of not wanting to pay “high taxes: and I like anybody else does not want to do it. But what I don’t understand is the double speak going on within the TEA Party. First let’s start with the name. I have seen signs and people to numerous to count that TEA is an acronym for Taxed Enough Already. Which would be legitimate except for the reality……..”William Gale: “[T]axes are literally at their lowest in decades.” CBS News reported on April 15 that “taxes are at their lowest levels in 60 years, according to William Gale, co-director of the Tax Policy Center and director of the Retirement Security Project at the Brookings Institution.” CBS News further reported:

“The relation between what is said in the tax debate and what is true about tax policy is often quite tenuous,” Gale told Hotsheet. “The rise of the Tea Party at at time when taxes are literally at their lowest in decades is really hard to understand.”

So what is the REAL argument? What is the meaning behind “Big Government”? I’m not negating anyone’s right to be against anything, I just want to know what they mean when they say:

1) Lower Taxes – President Obama has done that, lowest in 60 years and you are all complaining that not enough of us pay taxes now…..what is that – taxes too low? Isn’t that an anathema of the Conservative principles you “stand” on?

2) Reduce the size of Government – Which things go? Biggest expenditures first, Medicare, SS, Military…..and so on, how do we determine what is most important to all Americans. Your ideas may not be the same as mine……

3) No Hand-outs – which entitlements/subsidies are worthy of keeping according to you? Farm, Corporate, Walmart, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Dept. of Agriculture (food assistance)

4) Stop Spending – on what? Which things are worthy according to you, and what makes you more worthy to decide. Who are the 47% who pay, how do you know which ones we are and which ones we are not? I pay, and I like most of the proposals of the current President, does my voice count less than your’s.

5) Take back OUR country – From Whom? If I vote, and you vote, and I like what’s being done to correct the wrong direction we were headed in, and I am willing to be patient and pay for things to be corrected – then who are you taking it back from? Seems to me that millions upon millions of Americans voted for the present course, we didn’t TAKE anything, we won it. So you want to take what you couldn’t win? Is that the America you wish to have back? When did that America Exist and when exactly did it leave?

These are the questions I have regarding the Tea Party movement. If they could be answered, I’d be much obliged, not because I will agree but because I truly want to understand if it’s more than bigoted xenophobia we are witnessing rearing its head again in history. It certainly does not appear to be that original in its context.

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
12:12 pm

OK ENOUGH!! IF you must have someone or something to BLAME – sit down and read this — The blame is on one PRESIDENT Ronald Reagan – when I was serving my country under then J. Carter – I woted for RR – my father (retired auto worker) told me that in 35 to 40 years – just watch and see this country will be without the ability to manufactor anything, the poor will pay more while the rich get richer, everything that he said would occur – HAS – and he stated it will be Reagan who did it!!! Also lets face facts – without the GOP getting the “false flag” and blaming someone else for it – he was able to weaken the BILL OF RIGHTS – which has allowed congress to force feed the people – now you can breath…

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
12:14 pm

“The blame is on one PRESIDENT Ronald Reagan”

LOLOL!!!!!!!

BeBe KID

April 16th, 2010
12:14 pm

I have two masters degrees, ma’am. Trust me, I am Einstein compared to you. Oh, before you call someone stupid, you may want to check your spelling. Idiot.

1. First, it is SIR to you not ma’am. You are an educated fool who is very ignorant. I don’t care if you have ten masters degrees you lack reading comprehension skills and have no common sense.

2. The whole premise and foundation of the PEE(TEA) Party Movement is “WHITE BACKLASH” against President Obama no different than the white resistance of the 60s to the civil rights movement. At least Bull Connor, Lester Maddox and George Wallace were honest not hiding benind some fear of socialism big Government crap.

just me

April 16th, 2010
12:15 pm

@ neo-Carlinist 1) I read “The Limits of Power” by Andrew Bacevich – brilliant, insightful and should be the Tea Party manual. 2) Judging by your nom de plume, I suspect we are on the same “Common Sense” team!

Haile Selassie I

April 16th, 2010
12:16 pm

Robert Byrd Democrat and KKK member

Actually I have a team of Systems Administrators that I manage. We specialize in Web Hosting so we stay quite busy dealing with operating systems, scripting languages, databases, ecommerce packages, network infrastructure and overall customer satisfaction.

Just because you are into porn doesn’t mean everybody else is.

Cheryl M

April 16th, 2010
12:17 pm

Tea Party Tim –
1) President Obama does NOT have two masters degrees, as I suspect you do not either; Sir, he has a Juris Doctorate in Law. Just to be accurate
2) Liberals ALWAYS complain about the lack of Corporate taxes paid to the US. It is part of the platform. So GE fits the category. We don’t have to name every corporation aloud who takes from this country without paying it’s due.
3) If taxes are the lowest they have been in 60 years……then maybe instead of the TEA party, you all should be calling yourselves the SEA party, for Spending Enough Already – That would make more sense given the reality of the day. What do you think? Everybody can agree that spending is too high and has been for 10 years.

Just a thought!

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
12:18 pm

“First, it is SIR to you not ma’am. ”

No, it’s ma’am. There are people out there that can help confused people like you.

“You are an educated fool who is very ignorant. I don’t care if you have ten masters degrees you lack reading comprehension skills and have no common sense.”

No not really. I’m a bright guy who likes to make fun of left wing morons.

“The whole premise and foundation of the PEE(TEA) Party Movement is “WHITE BACKLASH” against President Obama no different than the white resistance of the 60s to the civil rights movement.”

THEN YOU WILL HAVE NO PROBLEM SHOWING EVIDENCE OF YOUR IDIOTIC COMMENT.

SHOW SOME PROOF!!!!!!!

“At least Bull Connor, Lester Maddox and George Wallace were honest not hiding benind some fear of socialism big Government crap.”

Bull Conor and George Wallace were Democrats.

Robert Byrd Democrat and KKK member

April 16th, 2010
12:20 pm

“Actually I have a team of Systems Administrators that I manage. We specialize in Web Hosting so we stay quite busy dealing with operating systems, scripting languages, databases, ecommerce packages, network infrastructure and overall customer satisfaction”

Do these imaginary co-workers know that you spend company money blogging? Do they also know you’re a transgendered donkey?

LibraryJim

April 16th, 2010
12:20 pm

As I librarian, I protested vehemently about the Patriot Act, along with most other librarians I know, and through Library groups such as the ALA (American Library Association), GLA, FLA, etc.

But I didn’t hear any protests from the Left when the Obama administration continued and expanded the Patriot Act. hmmmm?

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
12:23 pm

“President Obama does NOT have two masters degrees, as I suspect you do not either; Sir, he has a Juris Doctorate in Law. Just to be accurate”

It’s called sarcasm, ma’am. Of course Obamao doesn’t have two masters degrees. Universities don’t hand out degrees in community activism.

Oh, and yes, I have two. Thanks!

“Liberals ALWAYS complain about the lack of Corporate taxes paid to the US. It is part of the platform. So GE fits the category. We don’t have to name every corporation aloud who takes from this country without paying it’s due.”

No, you just name companies that give money to the GOP. Hypocrite much? Ya betcha!

“That would make more sense given the reality of the day. What do you think?”

Sure why not. But then again, the left wing idiots call us racists………

No More Progressives!

April 16th, 2010
12:23 pm

BeBe KID

April 16th, 2010
11:17 am
The Tea Party has given many frustrated white people the excuse that they were always looking for to spew their venomous hatred of black people.

Did The Reverend Jesse tell you to say that? Maybe one of America’s greatest frauds, Al Sharpton did. I know, that great font of wisdom, Maxine Waters.

Your over-simplistic rationalization tells me you actually believe LBJ and others wisely spent the estimated $14 Trillion dollars on our “Great Society.”

Want a mule & 40 acres with that to-go order?

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
12:23 pm

“But I didn’t hear any protests from the Left when the Obama administration continued and expanded the Patriot Act. hmmmm?”

They also don’t protest corruption which is at the heart of the Democrat Party.

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
12:24 pm

Tea party TIM: are you even old enough to remember RR? Or are you just repeating what you were told? I still have my TAX booklets from the 70’s, 80’s, 90′, 2000’s, and right up to today – if you had them you could compare and see taxes go UP for those making less than $100,000 per year, so yes when you are told taxes are lower, they ARE!! Dont try finding this infromation online – the documents have been changed to make RR appear better then he was.
Less not forget – he disolved the unions –
He didnt even like labor –
He helped get Iran their current MWD program started – he brought IRAQI combatants into the US Mil. for training, and he set up the corportation to send their work force overseas to get the “TAX BREAKS” Yes Reagan is the reason for the season,

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
12:25 pm

No More Progressives!

Good to see ya! Me and a few other bloggers are having fun irritating these moronic left wingers.

Matt

April 16th, 2010
12:27 pm

Just remember, in 2004 Michael Moore made a documentary attacking President Bush and his policies. His documentary went to gross over $100 million domestically at the box office, which was unprecedented for a documentary. Moore, Al Franken, Maureen Dowd, etc. made millions selling books revealing the “true” nature of George W. Bush and his Republican White House. It seemed like most everybody out there couldn’t stand Bush… but he got re-elected honestly, by the people.

The party out of power always makes the most noise, but that doesn’t necessarily mean anything come election time. The Tea Party is no different than Michael Moore and Bruce Springsteen’s rallies in 2004, they drew thousands of people all over the nation as well… Kerry lost, Bush won.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
12:27 pm

“ea party TIM: are you even old enough to remember RR?”

HAHAH!!!!!! Just a moment ago, someone said that I was a leftover from Woodstock so you tell me!

“Dont try finding this infromation online ”

What is infromation? Is that like an afro?

“Less not forget – he disolved the unions –”

GREAT!!!!!!!! Unions suck and have driven companies overseas and bankrupt. Just ask Government Motors!

“He didnt even like labor –”

HAHAHA!!!!!!! Ok

“He helped get Iran their current MWD program started”

No, that would be Jimmy Carter.

“Yes Reagan is the reason for the season,’

If Reagan is so bad, why do liberals like Cynthia Tucker and Jay Bookman keep comparing Obama to Reagan?

Don’t believe, go look at their blogs.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
12:28 pm

“The party out of power always makes the most noise, but that doesn’t necessarily mean anything come election time.”

That MUST explain NJ, VA and Mass!!!!!!

Haile Selassie I

April 16th, 2010
12:29 pm

Robert Byrd Democrat and KKK member

I expected more from you than simple minded name calling. Hopefully the majority of the Tea Baggers are not as shallow as you are. My Team Lead just died laughing reading your last post.

Oops, lunch break is over got to get back to work so I can pay my taxes and afford gas. Its been very enlightening blogging with you. Good luck to you with that Tea Bagging thing!

LibraryJim

April 16th, 2010
12:29 pm

BeBeKid,

Come on, where do you live? Tallahassee is quite racially diverse, and most citizens (ok, a large proportion) are highly educated. . Spend time on Florida State University’s campus some time. Obviously you get your knowledge of Tallahassee from watching “LOST” (I spent a week in Tallahassee one night, it’s all strip malls and waffle houses”). Home to two major universities, a highly acclaimed Community College, the seat of Government for both the State and County, numerous museums (I regularly volunteer at two), etc., — it totally defies your comments.

Come down sometime, see for yourself!

But you are right about one thing: “FAMU is da Bomb!” Especially the Marching 100! My goodness what a group!

Panama City, where I also lived for many years, on the other hand matches both your and LOST’s assessment attributed to Tallahassee.

Cheryl M

April 16th, 2010
12:30 pm

Library Jim – I hereby and have already protested by writing to the White House to make my argument against this administration, the Obama administration, continuing and not repealing the Patriot ACT! I and many other “Liberals” have done so and will continue to do so. It has been discussed a great deal on the Rachael Maddow Show, on The Ed Show, and on Countdown with Keith Olberman. If you don’t know that “Liberals” are upset about this, then perhaps you don’t watch MSNBC enough. It gets talked about alot. Everything just is getting overshadowed by this Tea Party Frenzy, and the real important things are not getting as much coverage. Just because we support this President and the things he is doing to turn around the economy, does not Mean that we support everything he is doing, or has done yet. There are many things we take issue with, but the whole socialism, communist, Marxist, Nazi thing has just gone so viral it squeezes out all other Real and Rational discussion. The Patriot Act and NEEDS to be discussed, if you want to scream about losing your freedoms and your liberty, THIS IS THE THING – REAL THING- That threatens it. Not Healthcare!

No More Progressives!

April 16th, 2010
12:31 pm

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
12:12 pm
“…………..The blame is on one PRESIDENT Ronald Reagan – when I was serving my country under then J. Carter – I woted for RR – my father (retired auto worker) told me that in 35 to 40 years – just watch and see this country will be without the ability to manufactor anything, the poor will pay more while the rich get richer, everything that he said would occur – HAS –”

The poor don’t pay more because the poor don’t pay into the system. Unless you include lottery tickets.

The rich acquire more wealth because smart people continue to do smart things with their money. You valient attemp at class warfare is just part of being on the left.

Poor people continue to remain poor becuase they have little/no marketable skills, and you just ain’t gonna become Jack Welch with an eighth grade education and no work ethic.

No More Progressives!

April 16th, 2010
12:32 pm

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
12:25 pm
No More Progressives!

Good to see ya! Me and a few other bloggers are having fun irritating these moronic left wingers.

Fun, isn’t it???

Robert Byrd Democrat and KKK member

April 16th, 2010
12:32 pm

“I expected more from you than simple minded name calling. Hopefully the majority of the Tea Baggers are not as shallow as you are. My Team Lead just died laughing reading your last post.”

Contradict much ma’am?

You wrote: I expected more from you than simple minded name calling.

Then you wrote: Tea Baggers

You ain’t none too bright is you ma’am?

Your team lead? I bet he was just wanting you to get back to flipping burgers.

“Oops, lunch break is over got to get back to work so I can pay my taxes and afford gas.”

Yeah, get back to flipping those burgers.

“Good luck to you with that Tea Bagging thing!’

And you have fun making those burgers!!!!

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
12:34 pm

“Fun, isn’t it???”

LOADS!!!!

These moronic left wingers throw out accusations and they have no proof to back them up. From calling the Tea Party racist to saying Reagan is the cause of the housing crisis.

Stupidity is the very word that describes the left wing clowns.

Tell Bookman Who Dat says hi!

BeBe KID

April 16th, 2010
12:36 pm

Tea Party Tim

The (PEE)Tea Party Movement is not in the best political interest of Black people that is why so few are in this movement. The make up of the PEE party is not racially diverse or multi-cultural. It’s mainly racist white folks some like the ones who spit on Emanuel Cleaver and called John Lewis the N-WORD who are on the fringe of lunacy. That’s enough proof of racism for me. Let’s not play games here most black people know where the PEE Party is coming from!

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
12:40 pm

“The (PEE)Tea Party Movement is not in the best political interest of Black people that is why so few are in this movement.”

Yet you’ve never been………….

“It’s mainly racist white folks some like the ones who spit on Emanuel Cleaver and called John Lewis the N-WORD who are on the fringe of lunacy.”

And you have a video of this? NOPE! I asked Jay Bookman and Cynthia Tucker to provide the video that left wing morons claim to exist and NEITHER of them could provide it.

“That’s enough proof of racism for me. ”

What proof?

“Let’s not play games here most black people know where the PEE Party is coming from!”

Most black people, especially in the A T L, are programed by people like Tucker etc to hate white people. From Bill Campbell to Shirley Franklin.

Blame whitey!!!!!! Kill whitey!!!!!!

What a sad stupid bubble you gals live in.

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
12:42 pm

aggree – most of this reminds me of the 60’s – those who lost power – want it back and will do anything to get it back…
If you were to look online for tax records from the Reagan years, They are different then the TAX booklets I used to file my taxes while i was serving under the his command of the US. And yes it was Carter who brought IRAQI into our country to train, but Reagan kept them here for training – until the Contra deal.
At which time the USS COLE was bombed — Try this one – 9/11 was a false flag so GW could grab more OIL – except OPEC beat us to it and raise the price of OIL to $150 per barrel – then GW left the OIL alone and price’s dropped – strange?
Bottom line: TERM LIMITS
NO MORE RETIREMENT
NO MORE ELE. COLLEGE – let the common vote count – not just the DELEGATES/SUPER DELEGATES count.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
12:43 pm

Jeff

Could you be any more retarded?

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
12:43 pm

OH by the way – i am WHITE, MALE, VETERAN, 50 and i DO NOT SUPPORT PALIN! she is scary! Nor do i support the GOP/DEM – we need a people party – that has memebers elected who WILL care about everyone

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
12:44 pm

“NO MORE ELE. COLLEGE – let the common vote count – not just the DELEGATES/SUPER DELEGATES count.”

Yeah, let’s let people buy off elections. No wonder left wingers are falling apart.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
12:45 pm

“OH by the way – i am WHITE, MALE, VETERAN, 50 and i DO NOT SUPPORT PALIN!”

No one cares.

“she is scary! ”

Oh, so you hate hot women?

precious lil boy

April 16th, 2010
12:46 pm

@Tea Party Tim and @No More Progressives Haha good show! Why are liberals the most close minded? You’d think based on the term liberal, they would be open to the exchange of ideas. Anyway, I’m just a youngin’, but how I understood the housing crisis was in-fact the Clinton administration pushed for lower credit requirements and the artificial consumer “confidence (con-artist)” permitted lower income people to take out mortgages they couldnt possibly afford. Naturally, these people started charging on credit like crazy, sinking deeper in a debt that would never get payed back.
Also, did the Savings & Loan scandal under RR have anything to do with the current crisis?

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
12:46 pm

guess your comment means you have nothing to respond with except – RETARDED – great come back – FACTS are hard to turn in your favor when they go against what you were lead to believe – let me guess no US Military experience – College after HS – no REAL life just BOOK Learning

No More Progressives!

April 16th, 2010
12:47 pm

BeBe KID

April 16th, 2010
12:36 pm
Tea Party Tim

The (PEE)Tea Party Movement is not in the best political interest of Black people that is why so few are in this movement.

Exactly what is in the interest of “Balck people.” Education? Fathers in the home? Speaking Englsh? No more 16 y/o’s shooting one another over $30.00 crack deals gone bad? No more teenage girls giving birth?

Before you lecture me on cleaning up my house, you’d better clean up your own.

Cheryl M

April 16th, 2010
12:47 pm

Tim – Universities do not “hand out” degrees in community activism, this is true, but they do allow you to earn a degree, several at the undergraduate level, several at the graduate level and at the doctorate level as well. As for the Community Activist dig, if you knew what community activists did, you wouldn’t be knocking them, but let me just say, several of our Founding Fathers you all love, were “community organizers” in fact, many in your beloved confederacy were community organizers as well. Community Organization is part of the American tapestry. It is not to be taken lightly nor scoffed upon except by the under informed, which again makes me doubt your double masters degree claim. If you had them, you would have known better. That scoff came from Sarah Palin, and we know her level of knowledge of History is at the level of the average High School student, (not AP level either).

As for the President, his job after working in corporate America post- graduation from Columbia Magna Cum Laude with a BA in Political Science and International Relations, was as a community organizer, prior to attending Harvard Law where he earned his JD and was President of the Harvard Law Review. He then authored a best selling book, was a civil rights attorney, and a professor of Constitutional Law at University of Chicago. After that he was elected three times to the Il State House and then to the US Senate before being elected President of the US. That is a pretty great resume, for a “community organizer” I would say. Oh, if all of ours could be so good.

I don’t need to tear you down, call you names, if you cannot respect someone who began pretty poor, with everything stacked against him, and managed to make it to the highest seat in the land, with alot of hard work in between, then you do not actually believe in American Exceptionalism which would normally laud his accomplishments as the ultimate American Dream Experience. So why all the put-downs and name calling? I certainly didn’t call you any?

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
12:47 pm

“Why are liberals the most close minded? ”

Better question. Why can’t liberals provide evidence for their claims?

Case in point, several left wingers claimed that the tea party is racist. Yet, not one of them provided anything other than rhetoric.

Uncle Sam

April 16th, 2010
12:48 pm

The TEA Part rally consists od Democrats,Liberals,Republicans and more.The only racists are the ones that talk against it without actually going to one. It is free and open to the public. I am not sticking my head in the sand. The only thing that I do not like is the Republicans trying to take it over. The womna running the Georgia Tea party may be working for the Republicans. we need someone that is not in love with either running the show. I was not happy with a few speakers/Reublicans at the party.The Republicans alsmost got us amnesty again and passed CapTrade,bailout,Healthcare frawd and more. I am not afraid to stand up and be counted. Educate yourself on the constitution and why America was started and the Constituiton. Read all bill voted on by local and Federal officials before you vote ! We have computers now. No excuse ! All information is public including the donations !

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
12:48 pm

“guess your comment means you have nothing to respond with except – RETARDED – great come back”

Yeah, that’s because your comments are……retarded.

“let me guess no US Military experience – College after HS – no REAL life just BOOK Learning”

Your words not mine.

No More Progressives!

April 16th, 2010
12:49 pm

Terrible spelling when I’m in a hurry……………….

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
12:49 pm

HOT not HOT – where in the world does someones looks make them the best person for the job…
SHE lied at the RNC – to the world she lied!
And her statement “it’s GOD’s will” that is what scares me. A woman – i guess since you have nothing you revert to insults

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
12:50 pm

Do us a favor TIM – join my son overseas – pick up the weapon and stand beside him – just for a month – then come back with RETARDED

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
12:52 pm

“As for the Community Activist dig, if you knew what community activists did, you wouldn’t be knocking them”

I do and I do knock them.

“That is a pretty great resume, for a “community organizer” I would say. Oh, if all of ours could be so good. ”

And his approval numbers are tanking, unemployment is 2% higher than it ever was under Bush…..
Yep, his community organizing experience really worked out!!!!!!

“So why all the put-downs and name calling? I certainly didn’t call you any?”

Because I’m doing exactly what you left wingers do. You throw out names like Tea Baggers and Racists….and when someone calls you on it you cry foul and go cry.

Anymore asinine questions?

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
12:52 pm

“SHE lied at the RNC – to the world she lied!
And her statement “it’s GOD’s will” that is what scares me. A woman – i guess since you have nothing you revert to insults”

HAHAH!!!!!

If you want a liar, look no further than Obamao who’s broken almost every one of his campaign promises.

LibraryJim

April 16th, 2010
12:53 pm

Cheryl M. said: Everything just is getting overshadowed by this Tea Party Frenzy, and the real important things are not getting as much coverage.

Cheryl, if the important issues are not getting the coverage, it’s not the Tea Party’s fault — it’s the News Media’s fault for NOT COVERING the important issues, that they would rather focus on us is flattering, except for the terms they use, but is also a poor excuse for journalism.

As I recall, one of the earliest complaints was that the Tea Party Movement received NO coverage. One can’t have it both ways. I mean, the protests are what? Three or four times a year? Sure, they overwhelm in numbers anything the liberals try to do, but why should that be an excuse for the news programs to ignore the wrongs this administration is doing to our Country?

Also, the Media has not been doing their job for YEARS, becoming so liberal themselves that they are fueling the fires of division in this country. Look at how they ignored all things re: Obama’s past and his refusal to release any of his documents for public scrutiny. Or ignored his radical associations with known terrorists and anti-Americans (such as his own pastor and mentor, Jeremiah Wright).

Yep, they were so busy bashing W. (for the wrong reasons) and Republicans that they forgot they are there to represent the people, too.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
12:53 pm

“Do us a favor TIM – join my son overseas – pick up the weapon and stand beside him – just for a month – then come back with RETARDED”

Are you calling your son retarded? You told me to come back with retarded.

Do us all a favor and check your grammar.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
12:55 pm

“He then authored a best selling book”

Hate to break your fragile heart but Obamao didn’t write the book.

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
12:58 pm

I just like the ones who scream the loudest about thier rights and freedoms, except those like Tea Party TIM – what he doesnt understand is he has those rights, and i would defend his rights with my life – or my sons – but what i wont do is let him pretend he EARNED those rights – that he didnt do – we (those who have served and are serving) – provided him those rights. So even though he has the higher education, and most likely makes millions a year – he wouldnt have a thing without the help of those he calls RETARDED!

LibraryJim

April 16th, 2010
12:59 pm

I’ve got to get back to work, but before I go I want to post one comment from a distinguished speaker respected by many on this site. Tell us if you agree with what she says, and if so, why it does not apply to the Tea Party Movement:

“I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you’re not patriotic! We should stand up and say, we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration”

(~Hillary Clinton, April 29, 2003)

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
1:00 pm

“I just like the ones who scream the loudest about thier rights and freedoms, except those like Tea Party TIM”

You can’t read can you? Or spell for that matter.

“but what i wont do is let him pretend he EARNED those rights”

LOL!!! I pay my taxes. I earned my rights long ago.

“he wouldnt have a thing without the help of those he calls RETARDED!”

You have some serious issues, Gomer.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
1:00 pm

LibraryJim

Left wingers will just say that you made that up. Remember, the liberal mantra is “do as I say, not as I do.”

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
1:10 pm

no paying taxes allows you to enjoy those rights – you still didnt EARN them – oh well – the big picture is CONGRESS and until we replace them – go enjoy your TEA? Oh by the way check history – the Boston TEA party wasnt without violence – and matter of fact those who did it – dressed like Native Americans – FALSE FLAG at its best LOL

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
1:10 pm

Oh, US NAVY not marines

Cheryl M

April 16th, 2010
1:11 pm

It is a SHAME that people like Tim post such ignorant things that pass as discourse these days. If there can be no respect for differing opinions, no questioning things without reverting to name calling and Ignorant diatribe, then there can be little hope for this Nation. The ones who show their a@#es instead of actually using their words can be trusted with understanding nothing.

As for the Community organizers – explain your hatred for them, since you know what a Community Organizer does. Go ahead if you have to and look it up, and then say why they should be scoffed upon. And since the Tea Party Movement claims to be a “grassroots” movement, then the people who were the first to come together to form the movement, were the Community Organizers. Since you bear their moniker in your own screen name, you Sir are either a fool, or a hypocrite for bashing the President because he spent 3 years as a Community Organizer. Those Steelworkers and their community he helped organize and get back on their feet after the Steel industry moved oversees, surely appreciated his efforts as much as you appreciate those of Dick Armey, the biggest Community Organizer of our present day. Founder of Freedom Works , aka The Tea Party Movement. Let’s not let facts get in the way of a great hater moment!

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
1:16 pm

no sir – you are entitled to your rights, they were EARNED by others.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
1:18 pm

“you are entitled to your rights, they were EARNED by others.”

And how do you know that I was not in the military? Again, your problem is not having any evidence of your claims.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
1:19 pm

“Let’s not let facts get in the way of a great hater moment!”

LOL!!!!! Are you referring to the NAACP or ACORN?

retiredds

April 16th, 2010
1:19 pm

I have an idea. Let’s blame _______________ (fill in the blank), for ____________ (fill in the blank). Now wait three days and see if anything changes. Some might need more than one blank to fill in and that’s o.k. The solution you’re looking for doesn’t depend on how many blames you throw out there.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
1:19 pm

“The ones who show their a@#es instead of actually using their words can be trusted with understanding nothing. ”

You mean like you?

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
1:20 pm

“Those Steelworkers and their community he helped organize and get back on their feet after the Steel industry moved oversees”

I was unaware that there were any steel mills in Hyde Park.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
1:22 pm

“Since you bear their moniker in your own screen name, you Sir are either a fool, or a hypocrite for bashing the President because he spent 3 years as a Community Organizer.”

LOL!!!!!! And it’s people like you who call Palin stupid. At least she had executive experience. Obamao has not once led the nation anywhere but down.

Unemployment-10%

Approval rating-43% and falling.

Democrats jumping ship and “retiring” every other day.

Ted Kennedy’s seat going to a Republican after 30 years…….

NJ going GOP after years of DNC rule.

Not to mention VA….

Cheryl M

April 16th, 2010
1:23 pm

TIM, again, you show you DO NOT have two Masters Degrees. From the sound of things you don’t even have ONE, and may not even have a basic High School Diploma, for you had to pass Civics or Government to get one, and you would have surely learned………Rights are rights, that is their nature…..You don’t EARN them you have them, according to the Constitution – they are GOD given to all Americans…..The Founding Fathers purposely did NOT make paying taxes, owning land or any other impediments to rights a part of the Constitution. The did differentiate between Men and Women and White and non whites, but no other impediments were added for your rights. Those two impediments were rectified in the Amendments to the Constitution. Prior to the Constitution, America already had that system, it was the Imperial system of Britain and they soundly rejected it with the Constitution. You cannot EARN your rights, that is the premise of the entire document!

Oh and Tim, President Obama did not have a Ghost Writer for “Dreams of my Father”, he was offered that book deal while he was in LAW school because of his brilliant writing which was published in the Harvard Law Review. Neither did he have one for “The Audacity of Hope”. Face it, the man is highly intelligent and bright and talented. Whether or not you prefer his brand of politics, that you cannot take away from him, even with your hatred of him.

There is a alot of projecting going on here…… There was one Sarah Palin who did need a Ghost Writer to pen her memoirs, well let’s just say that the 5 years she spent in her quest for a BA in Journalism did not help her when it came time to actually write…..and about her own self even! If you want to cast doubt on competency, you should start there……There is much to cast doubt upon. LOL!

Cheryl M

April 16th, 2010
1:28 pm

And again, I have called you no names, nor talked about your character. I find your claim to Superior education suspect, one only needs to read your writing to see why, but that does not make me call you names. I have not shown my a@% when writing, I have stayed on topic, you on the other hand have managed to degrade soldiers, degrade the President, degrade the other posters on this thread, and in general degrade yourself. You seem to be a very angry and spiteful soul, and we all wish you well.

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
1:29 pm

well as a VET – i can tell you NEVER served!!! 1977 – 1983 USS STEIN FF1065 – go ahead now lie some more…

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
1:30 pm

“TIM, again, you show you DO NOT have two Masters Degrees.”

LOL!!!! Again, another mindless insult from a left winger.

“You don’t EARN them you have them’

So tell that to Jeff, ma’am.

“You cannot EARN your rights, that is the premise of the entire document! ‘

You really can’t read can you?

“President Obama did not have a Ghost Writer for “Dreams of my Father””

Yes he did.

“Face it, the man is highly intelligent and bright and talented.”

That MUST be why democrats are losing and will continue to lose. If he’s so talented, why did he have to bribe his own party to vote for his health care bill?

“even with your hatred of him. ”

LOL! Coming from someone who has Bush derangement syndrome.

“There is much to cast doubt upon. LOL!”

See ya in November, ma’am!

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
1:33 pm

“I have called you no names”

Hmmmmmmmmm, the word…….tea bagger comes to mind……….

“you on the other hand have managed to degrade soldiers”

When?

“degrade the President”

I have a right to degrade the president. Just like your kind had the right to make movies about Bush getting shot and killed.

“You seem to be a very angry and spiteful soul, and we all wish you well.”

Nah, I just like mocking and degrading left wingers like yourself.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
1:33 pm

“well as a VET – i can tell you NEVER served!!!”

LOL!!!! And you have what proof?

No More Progressives!

April 16th, 2010
1:34 pm

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
1:16 pm
no sir – you are entitled to your rights, they were EARNED by others.

What absolute sophistry. The “rights” you speak of were endowed by our Maker. The Bill of Rights reduces them to writing, for the purpose of preventing your precious Government from taking them from us.

Didn’t you take high school civics?

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
1:35 pm

“There was one Sarah Palin who did need a Ghost Writer to pen her memoirs, well let’s just say that the 5 years she spent in her quest for a BA in Journalism did not help her when it came time to actually write…..and about her own self even!”

LOL!!! You try to say that I hate the president……and here you are degrading Palin….

Hypocrite much?

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
1:36 pm

Jeff

1: For the 100th time, show us all proof of the tea party as being full of racists.

2: Show us all proof that I was not in the military.

Cheryl M

1: Provide evidence that the tea party is anti-black people.

2: Provide evidence that I don’t have two masters, as you’ve so stupidly claimed.

Thanks

Robert Byrd Democrat and KKK member

April 16th, 2010
1:39 pm

Jeff

If you can tell that someone was not in the military by reading a few blog posts, then you must know exactly where Osama Bin Laden is right now. You must also be a four star general.

Cheryl M

April 16th, 2010
1:47 pm

Tim, I don’t now, nor never hated President Bush, as a matter of fact, I have never hated any President of the United States. I may not have agreed with everything President Bush advocated, neither did I disagree with everything. I like most Americans hoped against hope that our mission in Iraq was justified, and was like most Americans very disappointed when it did not turn out to be so. I cheered when he stood at the 9/11 destruction site and said America would be okay! I loved in Alexandria VA and remember the fear we had on that day, and the comfort felt when MY President said we would survive. It was not just words to me, it was reality and greatly appreciated. And survive we did. Why, because I love this country, no matter who leads it, I am going to do all I can to make sure they are successful, because that’s what REAL Americans do. We get behind our leaders, we pray for them, and if we don’t like what we got, we go to the polls and we vote for another volunteer to get in there and try. That’s AMERICAN.

This tearing down, degenerating, lying, vicious talk is NOT American and in times before this….it was considered Sedition…..(See the Original Constitution) and it was considered punishable by death…..WHY? Because this is one nation, indivisible and those who seek to divide it, and berate it and otherwise seek it’s demise from the leader on down are guilty of Anti-Americanism, and that Mr. Tim is what you are doing. You should be thankful, as we all are for our freedom to speak our minds and hearts, but everything we think and feel is not appropriate for public demonstration. Signs calling our President Hitler, whether it is Barack Obama or George Bush, are un-American. Calling our President A Communist or Marxist are un-American. Calling his administration a Regime as if it is illegitimate or gained power by a coup instead of being dully elected is Un-American. So, now I call you Un-American, and all of those who engage in such behavior. For the Office of the President of the United States of America is not one person, it is bigger than that, and the days we live in now, when we have lost that respect and awe for it, are sad days of Un-American, Anti-Patriotic decay. You Tim are proof of it. History will not record these days kindly in the story of our Republic. These are dark days indeed!

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
1:50 pm

“This tearing down, degenerating, lying, vicious talk is NOT American and in times before this”

Yet you called us tea baggers…………… just saying.

Oh, and thanks for NOT answering any of the simple questions I posted above.

“Calling his administration a Regime as if it is illegitimate or gained power by a coup instead of being dully elected is Un-American.”

You must have been absent for 8 whole years.

“So, now I call you Un-American, and all of those who engage in such behavior.”

Yep, like I suspected, you’re a hypocrite. Thanks

“You Tim are proof of it. ”

LOL!!!!! Ok John Edwards, whatever you say!

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
1:51 pm

are you referring to the CIA agent OBL – Lets see which president provided training to the CIA agent OBL – was it Clinton – NO – Obama – NO, GW Bush – NO – H. Bush – NO

R. Reagan – YES

Jefferson

April 16th, 2010
1:52 pm

What’s the plan? Vote like they tell you? Certified TEA approved politicians? Disband all political unions and then something may get changed.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
1:55 pm

Jeff = Michael Moore

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
1:57 pm

“Disband all political unions and then something may get changed.”

Yep, like: Teachers unions, NAACP, GLTB, acorn etc……..

Cheryl M

April 16th, 2010
1:57 pm

I didn’t degrade Sarah Palin, she let it be known that she had a ghost writer. It is not a secret, it is common knowledge her name is Lynn Vincent. No big deal, I mentioned it because you had your facts backward. Barack Obama authored his books, Lynn Vincent authored Sarah Palin’s book. As a student of Journalism you should be able to pen your own memoirs and send them to an editor…….If that is what you are trained to do, you should be able to do it. Now, if you cannot do what you were trained to do, does that equal competency?

I never said the Tea Party was anti-Black, never said anything of the kind nor inferred it.

If you don’t know what a Community Organizer does, nor can you provide reasons for why you scoff on it, then I doubt you have two advanced degrees…..and as I said, I don’t believe you, and I doubt any one else does either. If you can’t write your ideas without resorting to calling names, or making up defenses to arguments never posed to you, then you are not a critical thinker, which you have to be to EARN a Masters Degree, nevertheless, two! Those of us who have done it, know impostor when we read them! That’s why! You are So Busted as a liar and a fraud, and like I said an angry, spiteful, hateful being!

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
2:04 pm

Jeff

1: For the 100th time, show us all proof of the tea party as being full of racists

Wrong Jeff – i have never and never will say the Tea Party is RACIST – just majority white americans – nothing more – lets see 1000 show up – 10 are of a different race beside Caucasian – majority WHITE ! not racist – just majority white

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
2:04 pm

“Barack Obama authored his books”

No he didn’t

“I never said the Tea Party was anti-Black, never said anything of the kind nor inferred it.”

Yet you call tea party people, tea baggers…………..

“If you don’t know what a Community Organizer does”

Obama never explained what he did…….. Just sayin…..

“hen I doubt you have two advanced degrees”

LOL!!!!! Yet you have no proof to back up your claim!

“and as I said, I don’t believe you, and I doubt any one else does either.”

Huh, I didn’t know I had to prove anything to a faceless blogger.

“If you can’t write your ideas without resorting to calling names”

You mean like when you called me a tea bagger?

“then you are not a critical thinker, which you have to be to EARN a Masters Degree, nevertheless, two! ‘

LOL!!!! Continue to degrade me ma’am. It only makes you look that much more hypocritical.

“Those of us who have done it, know impostor when we read them!”

HAHAAHAH!!!!!!! You must be best friends with Ms. Cleo!!!!!

“You are So Busted as a liar and a fraud, and like I said an angry, spiteful, hateful being!”

I am? Are you the AJC blog police?

Again, where is your proof, ma’am? You make these claims yet you have no evidence. Just empty rhetoric.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
2:06 pm

“Wrong Jeff – i have never and never will say the Tea Party is RACIST – just majority white americans”

And your evidence ma’am?

“lets see 1000 show up – 10 are of a different race beside Caucasian – majority WHITE ! not racist – just majority white”

LOL!!!! More stupidity from Jeff.

1: You didn’t attend any tea party.

2: If you didn’t attend, how would you know the total body count of minorities that attended?

Jeff ain’t none too bright.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
2:08 pm

“not racist – just majority white”

Then what are you implying, Jeff? Looks to me like you look at life through a color prism.

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
2:11 pm

implying nothing, again how many people at the TEA party were NOT white? again majority of TEA parties members are white – is something wrong with that? NO – just the facts nothing but the facts!!

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
2:13 pm

: If you didn’t attend, how would you know the total body count of minorities that attended?

Jeff ain’t none too bright.

Unlike you – i can see with my own eyes – never have i used the media – just looked while i walked by – at the Tea party i attended – about 1500 were there – less then 100 were another race – again nothing wrong with that is there?

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
2:14 pm

“again how many people at the TEA party were NOT white? ”

You wouldn’t know because you were not there.

“again majority of TEA parties members are white ”

How do you know?

“NO – just the facts nothing but the facts!!”

You don’t know the difference between fact and opinion do you.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
2:15 pm

“Unlike you – i can see with my own eyes – never have i used the media – just looked while i walked by – at the Tea party i attended – about 1500 were there – less then 100 were another race – again nothing wrong with that is there?”

LOL!!!!! You just wrote that there were only 10 minority people at the rally. Then you JUST wrote that there were 100.

Either you are really dumb or you just can’t count. Either way you’re a goofy mixed up person.

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
2:17 pm

well unlike you my eyes are not colored by hate – when i attended the Tea party last night in my home town – about 1500 people attended – i didnt stay to listen, but my eyes are still good and i can see – and those of color i did not see many of

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
2:19 pm

sorry trying to work and type at the same time – some of us are still working –

EXAMPLE: if 1000 people show up to a TEA party – and 90% of thos who attend are of the White race – i still am not saying they are RACIST – just more are white – Now i wonder WHY is that?

Cheryl M

April 16th, 2010
2:19 pm

Library Jim – If the Media ignored Pastor Jeremiah Wright, and his other alleged radical associations then why do YOU know about them, better question, why do I? I don’t watch Fox News EVER, and yet I saw the allegations broadcast daily, hourly by the minute. And it’s funny that you choose to use Rev. Wright as the poster child for your argument. What do you know about Rev. Jeremiah Wright except for what you saw on the TV? Do you know what the subject of the sermons you saw the short clips was? No, you don’t. Do you know that Rev. Jeremiah Wright IS and was one of THE most respected Protestant Christian Theological minds in the US and in the world prior to his being attacked based on a couple of clips from a couple of sermons out of thousands of sermons he has given. And the clips did not show what the subject of the sermon was, or why he was giving that particular sermon on the day he did it. What was he commenting on that was happening at that time? When did he give that sermon? …..It is relative in terms of context. I have seen MANY preachers give controversial sermons from every color and background, based on the topic of the day, I have seen white evangelical pastors say God was punishing America and America was dammed for it’s actions many times, Hagee, Falwell, Robertson, Van Impe, Rod Parsley, etc….yet none were branded as Un-American but Jeremiah Wright, was……WHY? And how do you know except for it was covered ad nauseum by the “Media”.. none of which found it necessary to play an entire clip, and not just an inflammatory soundbite to make the case or controversy.

Lazy Journalism runs rampant these days, and it is a shame on all sides. However, on our topic, I believe that it is the “Real Liberal Media Outlets” Newsweek, The Nation, MSNBC that are talking about the disapproval of Liberals regarding some of Obama’s policies.

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
2:25 pm

Oh yes Liberty JIm – you go serve your country so others may enjoy their rights and freedoms, only to return to be forced to use another restroom because your skin is different – never have i heard so many complain about so few – because he speaks with the knowledge of truth – let you walk in this country as a black man in the 1930’s and see how you feel today

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
2:25 pm

“Now i wonder WHY is that?”

LOL! You are one confused gal.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
2:27 pm

“well unlike you my eyes are not colored by hate – when i attended the Tea party last night in my home town – about 1500 people attended – i didnt stay to listen, but my eyes are still good and i can see – and those of color i did not see many of”

Jeff is a racist.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
2:28 pm

“sorry trying to work and type at the same time – some of us are still working – ”

Again with the stupidity. You are now assuming I’m not working.

Cheryl M

April 16th, 2010
2:32 pm

Tim, you are really silly! The Tea Party called themselves TeaBaggers in the beginning before it was pointed out, several times, that Tea Baggers is a sexual term. Actually Tea Bagging is, but it goes to reason that at Tea Bagger would be one who Tea Bags…… Remember in the early days of the movement, women hanging Tea Bags from their hats, and on their clothes, saying I’m a Tea Bagger? LOL, it was funny, and it was self imposed terminology. I saw a lady yesterday who must not have gotten the memo for she had a sign and the hat! Own It! Even so, I don’t recall ever calling anyone a Tea Bagger……

As for the Community Organizer, he did explain what he did…..MANY MANY times so if you don’t know then……., but why are you all so stuck on that aspect of his life? He was a Community Organizer as his job when he was 23 years old…..at that age, what was your job? And what was any President’s job at that age for that matter? Why do you all insist on believing that all he ever did in his life prior to becoming the President was be a Community Organizer. What is the proper path to Presidency as followed by all others prior to this man? You say Military Service, but many never served…..Obviously it’s not being a community organizer, although understanding how policy affects REAL AMERICANS, their lives, their communities, which is what a community organizer does, should be on the list of things to know. How bout Understanding how the Application of the Constitution shapes our lives and policies, should that be important? How about being a 5 time elected Official – three times in your state government and twice into the Federal Government? Really, what is the test of qualifications you pick your president by and what makes you respect them? Each President took a very different road to the White House.

If you are a critical thinker, you can answer these simple questions Tim…..No BS, just talk without all the hate…….If you can……

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
2:33 pm

“I have seen white evangelical pastors say God was punishing America and America was dammed for it’s actions many times, ”

So? Those pastors didn’t rail on different races. They also didn’t take God’s name in vain like the Revvvvvvvvvvv Wright.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
2:35 pm

“The Tea Party called themselves TeaBaggers”

No, Anderson Cooper did. Geez, you really are a bigot.

mpercy

April 16th, 2010
2:35 pm

Cheryl M @1:11 pm It is a SHAME that people like Tim post such ignorant things that pass as discourse these days.

I support the Tea Party movement, but I think you’re right. TPT’s postings appear to me to be a tad immature and hardly what I’d consider to be our “best foot forward” representative.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
2:36 pm

“If you are a critical thinker, you can answer these simple questions Tim…..No BS, just talk without all the hate…….If you can……”

LOL! So, I’m supposed to answer your question but you won’t answer mine?

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
2:37 pm

“It is a SHAME that people like Tim post such ignorant things that pass as discourse these days.”

LOL!!!!! Sure thing there, Percy.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
2:38 pm

“Each President took a very different road to the White House. ”

Really? Did they?

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
2:40 pm

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
2:27 pm
“well unlike you my eyes are not colored by hate – when i attended the Tea party last night in my home town – about 1500 people attended – i didnt stay to listen, but my eyes are still good and i can see – and those of color i did not see many of”

Jeff is a racist

Takes one to know one – so i guess if you call me your bother i am – since you like that word -RACIST- you must know what it takes to be one. So sorry that your eyes are blind – would hate to see the world in only black and white – i am nothing more than a a former US Sailor – whos only son is now serving – guess that makes me a RACIST – but alass you never found your country worth your time – for had you – you would have served – instead of going whereever you did.

Well – i bet none of those Evangelical Pasters were called N****, i bet none of them were refused service, bet none of them had to stand at the back of the bus while seats were empty in the front – oh wait – they didnt!!! compare apples to apples not apples to grapes

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
2:42 pm

Jeff hates whitey.

Jefferson

April 16th, 2010
2:42 pm

I’ve seen that MO before…

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
2:43 pm

Thank you Percy – i too support the TEA party ideas – we need a different group running the country, it will be people like Tim who will be the down fall of the hard work done by so many.

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
2:44 pm

you know TIm – in my fifty years i have only seen one whitey – and he was at the circus – right next to you – in the clown tent

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
2:46 pm

well i have enjoy this- not often do i get to battle wits with the unarmed ! Stay with it Tim – one day you will grow up and become a man – white/black/brown/yellow/red doesnt matter what your color – you just need to grow a little – remember not all whites are RACIST (unlike you)

Cheryl M

April 16th, 2010
2:56 pm

Tim you didn’t ask me any questions. You only attacked me based on things you think I may say, not things I said, and called names and said a whole bunch of NOTHING! I hope you don’t represent the views of most of the Tea Partiers, because if you do, they won’t last long…… It’s been tried many times in the history of this Nation, but your particular views NEVER win…..not for long. What this country needs it’s getting a good dose of reality which is exactly what it is getting. America is a unique melting pot of varying views and opinions all of which make it American. Americans can be whatever they wish to be, including socialists, communists, Marxists, Catholic, Jewish, Budhist or Athiest, and still be just as American as the next person. America is not better than the people or different than those who live in it, so if some of us are hurting, we as a nation all hurt…..No man is an island unto himself, and in fact, as we are finding, WE ARE OUR BROTHERS’ KEEPER. Like it or not.

Cheryl M

April 16th, 2010
3:01 pm

And yes Tim, they all took different roads, Some were farmers, some were career politicians, one was an actor, one was a cocaine addicted alcoholic, One was a spy, several were philanderers and one was even reported to be a closeted homosexual. Some were in the military, some were philosophers and writers. Some were pro-slavery, some were abolitionists. All were men who heard a call to lead and stepped up to the plate to do a tremendous job with more responsibility on their shoulders than you could ever imagine, so all deserve to be respected, whether you agreed with them or not.

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
3:04 pm

well put Cheryl well put – i also aggree – if the views of Tim are a picture of the views of the Tea party – it will not last long – maybe the TEA party will go the way of Ross Perot – he was destroyed by the parties and his movement was destroyed – and YES I voted for Perot and Obama – Obama i voted for hoping he would enact TERM LIMITS – remove the reirement plan, and remove the ELE college… things of the past are best kept in the past

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
3:11 pm

now this is the part from the Talk Radio shows i just dont understand:

They refer to Government run Health Care; stating we have the best Health care in the world, they state we are the best country in the world, we have the best and smartest people in the world, but because Canada, France, England couldnt make government run health care work – it failed for them – we will fail as well – not much faith in the “BEST” then do they? Hannity, Rush, Leven -

Cheryl M

April 16th, 2010
3:12 pm

@ Tim So? Those pastors didn’t rail on different races. They also didn’t take God’s name in vain like the Revvvvvvvvvvv Wright.

No, they railed on homosexuals, saying it was there fault for Katrina, and 9/11 so what’s the difference. Also, he didn’t take God’s name in vain…He said “God Damn America” and after that he said “That what would be the risk of us retaliating against Arabs for the attack without thinking it through.” Finish the sentence….that was my point exactly….”America’s chickens are coming home to roost”… The entire quote was from Edward Peck, former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq under President Reagan, in a FOX News interview on 10/10/01, the entire segment was never shown on Fox or any other news outlet, but he did cite Ambassador Peck in his sermon……Just an FYI…..it was much easier to just drum up controversy and viewer ratings than to tell the truth and throw the Man of God under the bus. Jesus said his people would be persecuted for his name, you just didn’t realize it would be by you right Tim?

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
3:18 pm

AMEM – Cheryl – see it isnt hard to beat up an unarmmed man in a battle of wits – They never place the shoe on the other foot – my wife who is Latino – third generation American – we hear the comments every day – i am white she is not – and EVERY DAY to this very day – we hear racist comments – WET BACK – go home – speak English – and so on… Matter of fact if she hears the talk radio shows or FOX – she is close to tears – so many facts they dont repeat – just chop it up to worsten it..

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
3:26 pm

“you know TIm – in my fifty years i have only seen one whitey – and he was at the circus – right next to you – in the clown tent”

Pretty weak there, Jefro.

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
3:28 pm

maybe weak – but right on point

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
3:28 pm

‘No, they railed on homosexuals, saying it was there fault for Katrina, and 9/11 so what’s the difference.”

Only one of the mentioned pastors said that. Pat Robertson.

“Also, he didn’t take God’s name in vain…He said “God Damn America””

LOL! Do you even know what taking God’s name in vain is?

“Jesus said his people would be persecuted for his name, you just didn’t realize it would be by you right Tim?”

HUH? When did I persecute Christians?

You seem to love making up stuff and accusing people of doing and saying things they never said or did.

Shame on you.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
3:29 pm

“maybe weak – but right on point”

Sure thing there David Duke.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
3:31 pm

“i am white she is not – and EVERY DAY to this very day – we hear racist comments – WET BACK – go home – speak English – and so on… Matter of fact if she hears the talk radio shows or FOX – she is close to tears – so many facts they dont repeat – just chop it up to worsten it..”

You sound just like the people who claimed to be called the N word. Yet…for some reason you don’t have any proof.

I don’t believe you, Jeff.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
3:31 pm

“remember not all whites are RACIST (unlike you)”

Again with the accusations. Grow up Jeff.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
3:33 pm

“Tim you didn’t ask me any questions.”

Then not only are you a liar, you also can’t read.

“You only attacked me based on things you think I may say, not things I said, and called names and said a whole bunch of NOTHING!”

I only retaliated after you called me a teabagger.

“WE ARE OUR BROTHERS’ KEEPER.”

I don’t answer for you ma’am. I am an individual. If you want communism, go to North Korea.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
3:35 pm

“Some were farmers, some were career politicians, one was an actor, one was a cocaine addicted alcoholic,”

LOL! Had to get a jab at Bush in there, didn’t you! Ms. I don’t name call or degrade! Such a hypocrite you are.

By the way, Obama was a crack addict. Bill Clinton was a dope addicted child molester.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
3:36 pm

“see it isnt hard to beat up an unarmmed man in a battle of wits”

Ah Jeff, that’s no reason to degrade yourself.

Cheryl M

April 16th, 2010
3:36 pm

Um, God Damn America is not cursing or taking his name in Vain in is a request or command….. God Damned America is taking the Lords name in vain…..DUH! Geez do you actually KNOW anything at all? Again, further evidence is mounting that you Mr. Tim Tea Pot are fraudulently attempting to pass yourself off as a learned man, and you clearly ARE NOT! Honey, they do teach things in college, really it’s more than a bastion of Liberal spewing, they teach reading, writing, math and other things too.

If you had been there, you would know that! :-) Keep on trying, or better yet, why not try one of those programs President Obama has set up for people like you to go back to school and get more education or training. Seems like you are just one of the ones a program like that could be good for. It may help you to stop being so angry…….Education is our friend!

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
3:38 pm

Well I work as service for Telecommunications, and this is REAL – my customers who were almost out of business are now starting to hire new people, I am adding people now back into the call centers – since these people were layied off – now starting to come back to work – so someone isnt telling the truth!

A customer went from 1200 employees – down to 350 – now we are back to over 900 employees

Cheryl M

April 16th, 2010
3:39 pm

Oh, and Tim, many more than Pat Robertson made that statement, as I said, Pastor John Hagee, Jack Van Impe, Jerry Falwell, Rod Parsley….unless they all morphed into Pat Robertson their number equals at least several if not many….. And it has been said in pulpits throughout the country if we will be honest bout it. That is not a new or peculiar thing. Why is Rev. Wright un american because of his views, but these others are not because of theirs? Are Homosexuals less American than Heterosexual Whites? That was my point……again, I know it may be a little advanced for the likes of you.

Have a great evening

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
3:44 pm

“Um, God Damn America is not cursing or taking his name in Vain”

Yeah it is.

“Geez do you actually KNOW anything at all?”

Are you always this hypocritical?

“Mr. Tim Tea Pot are fraudulently attempting to pass yourself off as a learned man, and you clearly ARE NOT!”

Whatever you say Hypocrite.

“If you had been there, you would know that!”

Vandy. Thanks, ma’am.

“President Obama has set up for people like you to go back to school and get more education or training.”

People like me run companies and employ many people. People like you sit around complaining about white people and defending idiots like Rev. Wright.

“It may help you to stop being so angry…….Education is our friend!”

Whatever you say Cynthia McKinney.

Cheryl M

April 16th, 2010
3:44 pm

Crack Addict? Proof is required here- as you so like to ask for, where is your proof. I have never even seen that one , so don’t give any blogger as source, either bring the proof or be gone! Yes GW Bush was a cocaine addicted alcoholic which is why he does NOT even today, enjoy that beer so many wanted to share with him. He was not ashamed of it, he said he became Born again, and that was it. We praised him for it, so how is that a jab, that was his path, he did well to travel it and went much farther than he could have imagined at the time he was in his addiction. So, to my point, we still respect the Office, at least I do, I think no less of it because he held it for sure.

Peace!

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
3:44 pm

“so someone isnt telling the truth! ”

That would be you.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
3:45 pm

“Why is Rev. Wright un american because of his views, but these others are not because of theirs?”

Who said he was un-american? I just said he was a racist bigot.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
3:46 pm

“Proof is required here- as you so like to ask for, where is your proof.”

“Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. ”
– Barrack Obama, 1995

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
3:47 pm

“A customer went from 1200 employees – down to 350 – now we are back to over 900 employees”

Grammar fail. Big time.

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
3:47 pm

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
3:35 pm
“Some were farmers, some were career politicians, one was an actor, one was a cocaine addicted alcoholic,”

LOL! Had to get a jab at Bush in there, didn’t you! Ms. I don’t name call or degrade! Such a hypocrite you are.

By the way, Obama was a crack addict. Bill Clinton was a dope addicted child molester.

See this is why we need to rid ourselfs of BOTH current parties – thanks Tim – you made her point.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
3:47 pm

Barack Obama, asked about drug history, admits he inhaled – Americas – International Herald Tribune

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/24/world/americas/24iht-dems.3272493.html

Cheryl M

April 16th, 2010
3:48 pm

Vanderbilt? Ha! When?

Major, Minor, School of ? Professors you studied under? Thesis topic? Any proof? If you had said GA Southern or West GA then maybe, but Vanderbilt, Not even possible. With your sentence structure, you couldn’t even have written the essay. And some very basic items on the SAT you missed terribly in your postings. Otherwise it must have been an Affirmative Action Admission…….

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
3:48 pm

“See this is why we need to rid ourselfs of BOTH current parties – thanks Tim – you made her point.”

Jeff, take remedial English. Please.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
3:50 pm

“Vanderbilt? Ha! When?”

1990-1996. Northwestern. 2000-2002

“Vanderbilt, Not even possible.”

Fact, ma’am.

Thought you had to leave?

Cheryl M

April 16th, 2010
3:51 pm

Tim, what are you smoking over there on your job? That article, duh, we all saw that back when it was printed and discussed ad nauseum, says nothing of of Crack Addiction, unless pot and blow equal Crack Addiction. You are soooo Crazy and fully Tim! :-) Thanks for the laugh!

Have a great weekend!

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
3:52 pm

“With your sentence structure, you couldn’t even have written the essay.”

LOL! Coming from a person who’s misspelled several words.

“And some very basic items on the SAT you missed terribly in your postings.”

1450 on my SAT’s, ma’am.

You know, I find it interesting that you ridicule my education……yet you’ve yet to say where you went to school.

Oh, and guess what ma’am, this is a blog, not an English class.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
3:53 pm

“Tim, what are you smoking over there on your job?”

Your a$$.

“unless pot and blow equal Crack Addiction.”

Well, you would know all about crack, ma’am.

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
3:54 pm

to heck with grammer – you can’t read anyway – point is: business that two years ago were laying off people, are now hiring them back!!

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
3:54 pm

“You are soooo Crazy and fully Tim!’

Yes, I am fully Tim.

No More Progressives!

April 16th, 2010
3:54 pm

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
2:44 pm
you know TIm – in my fifty years i have only seen one whitey – and he was at the circus – right next to you – in the clown tent.

Well, you should obviously go to the circus more often.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
3:55 pm

“to heck with grammer – you can’t read anyway”

LOL! It’s “grammar” not “grammer. I can’t? Huh, if I couldn’t read then how come I am able to throw your insults back in your face, ma’am?

Didn’t you say you had to leave?

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
3:56 pm

see when facts and truth are beyond his comprehension – he returns to insults – a true Republican!

Well may peace find your heart – and truth find your soul – God Bless us all -

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
3:57 pm

Cheryl M

Questions you won’t answer:

1: How is the tea party racist and why do you refer to us as tea baggers?

2: Where did you attend college?

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
3:58 pm

yes – but are you are not giving me an English lesson – and well since i didnt go to college – i thought you were helping me to understand how the well educationed think and act – oh well so much for school

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
3:58 pm

“see when facts and truth are beyond his comprehension – he returns to insults – a true Republican!”

1: You have not posted one single fact. Only your opinion.
2: You can’t spell.
3: You’ve accused me of being something several times today.

Bottom line: You’re a moron in need of a dictionary.

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
3:59 pm

“but are you are not giving me an English lesson”

Well, if you paid me I would.

“and well since i didnt go to college ”

At least you admit it, Jeff.

“i thought you were helping me to understand how the well educationed think and act”

No, your words not mine. I’m just here to ridicule the left like yourself.

Thanks for playing!

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
4:00 pm

Bye Jeff, have a nice weekend!

Cheryl M

April 16th, 2010
4:01 pm

@ jeff. – Ourselfs should just go on and have a great weekend! The sun is shining, and it’s going to be great!

I may make some typos going so fast, but I certainly know the difference, and I went to…..Northwestern University, Medill school of Journalism, Undergrad and Graduate. So…….if Tim went there…..Oh, who am I kidding, he didn’t!

Make it a great night!

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
4:02 pm

insults are like opions – everyone has them – some are just better at it then I. I now am ashamed that I fell to your level, so i must ask for your forgivness – insults are nothing more then an angry mans answer to questions he has no answers for.

Jeff

April 16th, 2010
4:04 pm

well i just turned off one computer, then other two are coming down, this one is next – and since my SON CS3 ***** SW is now home on leave – going back to AF next month – i will go and simply enjoy the peace of the company of a TRUE American

@Cheryl – may your weekend be a great one as well – i know will be.

GM

April 16th, 2010
7:35 pm

Where were these Tea Partiers between 2000 and 2008 when the Republicans were wrecking the economy and spending this country into oblivion? They had no problem whatsoever with going from a balanced budget to what we had at the end of 2008. Why the sudden change of perspective?

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
9:05 pm

“Northwestern University, Medill school of Journalism, Undergrad and Graduate. So…….if Tim went there…..Oh, who am I kidding, he didn’t!”

LOL! If you’re a “journalist” then what are you doing on an AJC blog?

Oh wait, that’s right, journalism students are having to move back in with their parents because papers are folding. LOL

Tea Party Tim

April 16th, 2010
9:06 pm

“I now am ashamed that I fell to your level, so i must ask for your forgivness – insults are nothing more then an angry mans answer to questions he has no answers for.”

Uh huh, I see you live in left wing fantasy land where you’re always the victim.

Tech83

April 17th, 2010
12:20 am

Where was the uproar when the previous administration didn’t disclose the coast of the war and introduced drug benefits withoutidentifying how it would paid? Where was the uproar with the patriot act which basically strips us of any privacy from the government? Where was the anger when American citizens were left stranded in the aftermath of hurricane Katrina? Where were the tea partiers protest to Bush’s executive Order 1291?. Where was the outrage? Now that we have a president that is trying to give the working man/woman a chance, the group proclaims that he isn’t a citizen, he is a nazi, he is a socialist, he is radical, although the laws that were passed were previous ideas presented by republicans. Where is the racism? I don’t know. You tell me.

Tech83

April 17th, 2010
1:01 am

Where was the uproar when the previous administration didn’t disclose the cost of the war and introduced drug benefits without identifying the total cost or how to pay for this benefit? Where was the uproar with the patriot act which basically strips us of any privacy from the government? Where was the anger when American citizens were left stranded in the aftermath of hurricane Katrina? Where were the tea partiers protest to Bush’s executive Order 1291?. Where was the outrage? Now that we have a president that is trying to give the working man/woman a chance, this group proclaims that he isn’t a citizen, he is a nazi, he is a socialist, he is a radical, although the laws that were passed were previous ideas presented by republicans. Does the group believe in stopping welfare payments to farmers, repeal Medicare, and Social Security? Should congress repeal the middle class tax cuts and give tax cuts to richest 5% of this country?

Richard

April 17th, 2010
7:31 am

We get so wrapped up in our own wants and selfishness we fail to see the big picture (beer on Sunday). Our land is in grave jepardy! “we the people” are slowely becoming “we the servants”! We are slowley loosing the abuility to call this our land! It has to stop!!! Something has to be done !!!!!! And soon. Before we have no rights at all!

enoughalready

April 17th, 2010
9:16 am

A question for all you liberals throwing out the old “racist” garbage:

Define the word RACISM………………..then go look up the work PREJUDICED……..

Your ignorance of both history and grammar is nothing short of breathtaking.

Voice of Reason 2011

April 17th, 2010
9:27 am

Enter your comments here

Voice of Reason 2011

April 17th, 2010
9:30 am

I want to be very clear to those who read but may not be astute in comprehension. I do not believe the tea party is racist. However, there are racist elements as observed in some of the protestors that should be silenced or spoken out against by the tea party leadership. If this does not occur, their silence infers agreement. Protest–It is the American way and will always be. However, as history will afford every group the opportunity to protest, let’s hope the tea party can handle it when others not in their demographic make-up protests against them. And we will given the right set of circumstances.

Tech has a 3rd rate football program

April 17th, 2010
10:24 am

“Where was the uproar when the previous administration didn’t disclose the coast of the war and introduced drug benefits withoutidentifying how it would paid?”

You must have slept through 2006 when GOP voters sat at home and let the RINO’s get booted out of office.

Tech has a 3rd rate football program

April 17th, 2010
10:25 am

“However, there are racist elements as observed in some of the protestors that should be silenced or spoken out against by the tea party leadership.”

Yep, just like the DNC and DNC backed organizations. There are racists on both sides of the aisle. For example, the Democrat Party has an ex KKK grand wizard sitting up on Capital Hill.

Tech has a 3rd rate football program

April 17th, 2010
10:26 am

“Now that we have a president that is trying to give the working man/woman a chance, this group proclaims that he isn’t a citizen, he is a nazi, he is a socialist, he is a radical, although the laws that were passed were previous ideas presented by republicans.”

Not sure if you failed Econ 101 but unemployment is at 10%. People are losing their jobs everyday and it’s Obamas policies that are hurting working people.

Tea Party Tim

April 17th, 2010
10:29 am

“Your ignorance of both history and grammar is nothing short of breathtaking.”

Funny, I repeatedly asked two left wingers who were accusing tea party people of being racist, and not one of them posted any evidence of any racism. Example: Someone supposedly called John Lewis the N word. No one provided video evidence or eye witness accounts of anyone doing that. Left wingers are a sad group of people who know deep down that the democrat party is doomed in November. Obama has just killed any chance of re-election in 2012 and all the left wingers can do is name call.

enoughalready

April 18th, 2010
9:16 am

Funny, I repeatedly asked two left wingers who were accusing tea party people of being racist, and not one of them posted any evidence of any racism.

The left has so misused the word Racism as to effectively neuter it’s original meaning. Calling someone the “N” word is NOT racist, it’s bigotry or prejudiced. I will give the liberals credit though. They have mastered the art of redefinition.

ghostcommander

April 18th, 2010
10:04 am

The Tea Party is a political ploy of the totally dis-credited republicans. Their record has been so tarnished by their miserable failures that they were desperate, so they created a propaganda movement. The Tea partiers are spouting the discredited republican talking points, and repeating it over and over in an attempt to brainwash the naive, the mentally lazy, and just plain fools. The TP’s are manipulated, dominated and controlled by GOP operatives that float among the members spreading propaganda, and speaking to the press masquerading as Democrats, Independents, and others. No matter what the controllers say, this group is approximately 80% republican.

If you want to know what the republicans really are, then go to: http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.html, http://www.ourfuture.org, http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Propaganda, http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism, and http://www.lafn.org/gvdc/Natl_Debt_Chart.html.

In order for brainwashing to be effective, the message has to be repeated over and over for a long period of time. The republican propaganda convinces people to vote against their own interests, the interests of their family, the interests of their neighbors/community, the interests of their state and country. Please do not let just one hot button emotional issue form your opinion. Do some research on the web, and remember to think, think very seriously about their message that will turn you into a pawn.

96SC

April 18th, 2010
2:41 pm

Bob, It is very divisive system when the Politicians are more responsive to the wants and wishes a particular Party and could less about the American Citizens. We should conduct all elections as non-partisan which will save money being spent on a primary and sometimes a runoff for each party and finally a General Election between the Parties’ winners. Partisan Politics over the past ten years have become a blood sport where elected officials forget they are Americans first and all other labels are irrevalent

Tech83

April 19th, 2010
12:38 am

Not sure if you failed Econ 101 but unemployment is at 10%. People are losing their jobs everyday and it’s Obamas policies that are hurting working people

I did not fail Eco 101 but if you passed you would know that unemployment is a trailing indicator of the health of the economy and so you won’t see an immediate reduction in the rate. Companies don’t immediate rehire laid off employees. Since many organizations are now able to operate at with fewer workers and higher productivity rates it may take awhile for the rate to return to the prior unemployment levels.

You must have slept through 2006 when GOP voters sat at home and let the RINO’s get booted out of office.

You know very well that there wasn’t the same level of outrage, name calling, demonstrations and organized rallies against the republican leadership to take back “Their Country”.

enoughalready

April 19th, 2010
3:21 pm

“You know very well that there wasn’t the same level of outrage, name calling, demonstrations and organized rallies against the republican leadership to take back “Their Country”

Ever hear of code pink? Cindy Sheehan?

AnhydrousBob

April 21st, 2010
8:08 am

A lot of posts are about why didn’t some didn’t react to x or y under Bush. Well, that is when I started really thinking – I didn’t like that we stayed on in Iraq after it was over, nor did I really like that we went into Iraq after Afghanistan. The Patriot act, after I realized what was in it, was scary to me – but it was supposed to be “temporary” – didn’t Obama just make it permanent?
I listened to Ron Paul during the Presidential election and thought he had some kooky ideas about the military, but then I started reading what he said in books, and it made sense, and had a historical precedent (Founders) to fall back on. I started doing a lot of research and found that many of my beliefs were a mishmash of ideas that couldn’t stand together.
But it was when BUSH did the TARP that I became energized. And instead of being Change, Obama has continued so many of the policies of Bush – how can you Obama supporters stand that?
I will stand with the Tea Partiers even though they don’t share all my beliefs on military and the drug war (but I have found that most I have talked to are willing to listen and consider).
We may not agree on everything, but if the path we are both on leads in the same direction, why not travel along together.

White Dove

May 7th, 2010
6:01 am

Open your minds and visit a Tea Party meeting. You might be pleasantly surprised.

Intelligent, educated folks who are not racist as they are invisioned by many.