GOP flubs health care debate

The well of the United States House of Representatives has provided the forum over the decades for some truly inspiring speeches – some delivered by members of that body, such as former Judiciary Chairman Henry Hyde; others by non-legislators invited by the House to speak to its members (Winston Churchill and Douglas MacArthur come readily to mind).  On a day-to-day basis, however, what passes for debate on the floor of the House is more proletarian than uplifting.  Eloquence is more often than not discarded in favor of partisanship, and substance frequently trumped by soundbites.

Even measured against this modern standard for what passes for “debate” in the Congress, however, the final presentations last Sunday evening in the lengthy health care legislation were depressing.  The remarks, delivered first by Minority Leader John Boehner and then by Speaker Nancy Pelosi, completely lacked substance and, in the case of Mr. Boehner, were tinged with anger and profanity.  The Democratic message, delivered by Ms. Pelosi, was typically sophomoric and poorly delivered.  Her remarks claiming that the pending legislation would — presumably by placing control of medicine in America in the hands of the IRS and other government bureaucrats — unleash the American spirit of free enterprise, was silly in the extreme.  Yet, because the point of Pelosi’s speech was to elicit applause rather than enlighten, it drew predictably wild applause from the Speaker’s side of the aisle.

In the long run, however, Pelosi’s comments will matter little; for her party won a significant legislative victory, and it is the results of that vote that will define the future debate, not her remarks.

On the Republican side, however, the manner in which the GOP defined the terms of its position, and the tone and substance of its remarks, will resonate beyond the March 21st vote, and probably not to the benefit of the party. 

It wasn’t as if the Republican Party was not presented with a number of opportunities over the past several months during which this legislation was being crafted, through which to offer substantive, coherent alternatives while at the same time opposing the Democrats’ proposal.  Throughout the months of this unfolding controversy, public polls established repeatedly that a majority of Americans opposed a government take over of the system whereby medical services are delivered and paid for.  And opposing the Democratic Party’s plan on this basis was an important and appropriate strategy for the GOP.

However, in essentially limiting the Republican Party’s opposition to just that — opposition — without clearly and consistently offering a constructive legislative alternative, the minority party has dramatically limited its future likelihood of success in undoing the damage to be visited on America’s economy and medical services by this new health care law.   Now that the president has signed the legislation into law, its terms become the status quo, and it is axiomatic that the most powerful force in the universe is the force of the status quo.

The Republicans will need more than the angry, profane rhetoric of John Boehner as delivered to his House colleagues Sunday evening, as a base from which to launch any electoral or legislative effort to overturn this just-enacted health care law.  In fact, the image of the Republican leader angrily using profanity in his party’s concluding remarks Sunday, rather than setting forth a strong, positive alternative agenda on which to base subsequent efforts, will likely resonate to his party’s disadvantage in the months ahead.

The national Republican Party could have used the opportunity of having a national audience last Sunday evening, to present a clear, substantive alternative to the Democratic Party’s proposal that is now law of the land.  Instead, it simply used the forum to play to its base with a shallow display of anger.

What small glimmer of light there may be at the end of this lengthening dark tunnel of government control, rests largely in the hands of those state attorneys general and public interest law firms that have already filed, or will soon file legal, constitutional challenges to the most problematic provisions in the health care law.  The lawsuits will face a formidable challenge in convincing the federal courts that the mandates in this new law have gone beyond the pale in taking power from the people and placing it in the hands of the federal government; this, considering that in only a handful of instances in the past 75 years has the Supreme Court found any government mandate to be violative of the Constitution.  Still, even though the lawyers who will be prosecuting these legal challenges face daunting obstacles, they are certain to present their arguments with a great deal more substance and professionalism than exhibited by the Republican House leadership.

121 comments Add your comment

Allen

March 24th, 2010
10:22 am

While the Dems won a battle, us Pubs are winning the war (no pun intended). You won the healthcare battle (congrats), but that will not change the fact that life for most of the Republicans of this country is so good right now compared to yours. Democratic citizens will continue to be lazy, angry, dependent, underachieving, poor, needy, and most importantly envious. You are envious of everything that we have and you don’t. You can’t stand that you made poor decisions in life and now you have little value. It pains you to see people succeed and make more than you, to be able to provide for THEMSELVES, to have self pride, and most importantly to be happy. So enjoy your rants and tirades and your moral victory with healthcare (again congrats)….just remember that until you do something with yourself,you will continue to be miserable.

Karl Marx

March 24th, 2010
10:36 am

Yes the Republicans screwed up again just like they did a few years back when Bill Clinton was President. Democrats very successfully change the tone of the debate from his perjury to sexual impropriety didn’t they Mr. Barr.

somewhereinga

March 24th, 2010
10:39 am

Just once I’d like to hear something POSITIVE from a Republican! Something he’s going to do FOR America instead of what he’s going to do TO his opponent. Boehner had the chance to be magnanamous but did he do it? Yeah! When hell freezes over! The best thing the people of Ohio can do for this nation is let Boehner walk this fall and elect someone who puts their nation ahead of their ego.

joe

March 24th, 2010
10:40 am

Congrats to the Dems for getting it passed…even though it was mostly due to closed door pork and secret deal making. But whatever, its done and we all must move forward.

However, by passing this, the Dems that caved to Obama’s wishes will be given their pink slips in November. Also, in Nov 2008 the approval numbers of white men who broke for Obama were around 44% and that was enough to elect our new president. Now those approval numbers have dropped below 35% and show no signs of slowing down, so Obama’s days as our leader appear to be numbered (1032 or so) as nobody envisioned Obama taking us within inches of EU socialism.

White female approval numbers have also fallen, but not as sharply as those of white men, but those two together with the addition of this healthcare bill will seal Obama’s fate as a single-termer.

As an independent, I can only hope a 3rd party candidate can finally get elected and return our country to its proper place as the political envy of the world with less government, free enterprise, elimination of the IRS and instituting the fair tax.

We need to blame both the Dems and Repubs for ruining government over the past 60 years with their political posturing and sense of entitlement. Did ya’ll ever stop and think why our politicians will not participate in this recently passed healhcare policy? They say its good for all of us, but its not good enough for them. Interesting…

HDB

March 24th, 2010
10:41 am

@ Allen – I’m challenging you on your post..point-by-point:

March 24th, 2010
10:22 am
“While the Dems won a battle, us Pubs are winning the war (no pun intended). You won the healthcare battle (congrats), but that will not change the fact that life for most of the Republicans of this country is so good right now compared to yours. ”

Are you acknowledging that Republican policies have shifted the wealth UPWARDS rather than the trickle-down (or should I say – pi$$ed-on) economic theory you espouse?? That Republican policies are designed PURPOSELY to leave out the ability to progress for anyone who is not of wealth….or of a specific color??

“Democratic citizens will continue to be lazy, angry, dependent, underachieving, poor, needy, and most importantly envious.”

That is a false assertion; there are MANY Democrats who work, achieve, are not lazy, are independent, desire the best for their children…AND their nation; they just are not as selfish as you are!! They do not envy you…but in their own way, strive to be BETTER than you!!

” You are envious of everything that we have and you don’t. You can’t stand that you made poor decisions in life and now you have little value.”

So you’re saying that Democrats who believe in education, hard work, perserverance made poor decisions…..and those values are small in comparison?? Are you also saying that a HUMAN LIFE, no matter at what end of the national scale, has NO value??

” It pains you to see people succeed and make more than you, to be able to provide for THEMSELVES, to have self pride, and most importantly to be happy.”

So you are saying that people who desire the same things for others that they themselves have — happiness, prosperity, success, pride — can only be Republicans?? Another false assertion!! Many Democrats fit that mode! You seem to have NO altruistic characteristics….just selfish ones!!

“So enjoy your rants and tirades and your moral victory with healthcare (again congrats)….just remember that until you do something with yourself,you will continue to be miserable.”

Democrats are not miserable….but you and your existence seem to be……

As Mr. T says: “I pity the fool………”

Bob Brown

March 24th, 2010
10:47 am

To Mr. Russell King: You have my gratitude and respect for your elucidation of the GOP’s toxic issues. What a great piece of analysis and prose. I suggest that AJC should try to entice you away from your day job to join its editorial writers. Thank you, sir!!

MiltonMan

March 24th, 2010
10:48 am

HDB, the GOP had the black vote prior to 1964??? The GOP never had the support. George Wallace even carried the black vote in 1979.

somewhereinga

March 24th, 2010
10:49 am

Gee, Allen, Have you ever met a Democrat?

“underachieving, poor, needy, and most importantly envious. ”

Let’s see, I own my own company, the building and property it’s in, have 2 condos in Atlanta, a house in the mountains, did it all on my own without help from you and certainly am not envious of you. Maybe you should widen your circle of friends to include a little more diverse group of people other than your gun toten’, paranoid, Rush listenin’ group.

Captain

March 24th, 2010
10:51 am

AGAIN Bob Barr displays his resentment towards the GOP over his failed primary run against John Linder. Bob, had you run in the district Phil Gingrey represents instead of against Linder you might still be in Congress. You resentment stains your views. You share in ANY ills that the Republican Party carries due to your Clinton Impeachment efforts. As for your attempt at suggesting Republicans could have participated in the process, HOW? Charlie Rangel said ‘we don’t need you Republicans, we will do what we have to and what we want to on health care reform’, impeached former Federal Judge and now Democrat Congressman from Florida Alcee Hastings said ‘we ain’t worried about rules, we make up as we go, we are going to pass this bill’. Pelosi barred Republicans from participation in the bill writing, conducted behind closed doors. Harry Reid did the same in the Senate. I have no doubt you are much smarter than me, so please, tell me how in the world Republicans could have been part of the process, HOW? Do I need to remind you this ObamaCare Bill had BI-PARTISAN opposition and no bi-partisan support!!! Before you take off and blame Republicans in your ongoing ‘pitty party’ over being soundly whipped by John Linder, you might want to consider being honest, something over which you sought impeachment of Bill Clinton. As for John Boehner, was his rhetoric any worse than Bart Stupak’s deceit? How about the VP’s comments in introducing the President…’this is a big f****ng deal’

MiltonMan

March 24th, 2010
10:53 am

HDB = bipolar. Man to you even have the intelligence to realize that you sound like you are arguing with yourself.

“Are you acknowledging that Republican policies have shifted the wealth UPWARDS rather than the trickle-down…”

“So you’re saying that Democrats who believe in education, hard work, perserverance made poor decisions…..and those values are small in comparison?? Are you also saying that a HUMAN LIFE, no matter at what end of the national scale, has NO value??”

So you are saying on one hand that wealth is bad but working hard to obtain wealth is good??? That is hilarious.

I like your analysis on Human Life. Last time I checked clown the democrats are the one who favor abortion.

Swede Atlanta

March 24th, 2010
10:54 am

I agree with Bob that it would have been more constructive to have the Republics present a comprehensive HCR bill for consideration as an alternative to what was about to be passed by the House. That would have been the adult thing to do.

What concerns me, and has been raised by others, is the reaction by those opposed to the legislation. I am fine with Republics introducing legislation to repeal the law. That is what they are supposed to do – i.e. change the law as provided for under our Constitution. I am also fine with states challenging the law’s constitutionality in court. That is their right.

But it is not helpful to moving the nation forward to have the hateful rhetoric, physical violence (e.g. rocks through the windows of Democratic party and Congressional members’ offices), racial slurs (e.g. John Lewis) and talk about guns, re-loading, etc. This acts are bordering close to being domestic terrorism.

I am surprised that the tactics of these domestic terrorists are not uniformly denounced by Boehner, McConnell and other Republic leaders. That is not the way we resolve matters in a Constitutional democracy.

Cutty

March 24th, 2010
11:07 am

Allen @ 10:22- Nice! And this time I thought it was those republicans that hated the latte-sipping, Ivy league liberals. Especially since the south is ruled by your party. But you keep thinking that. That was funny.

somewhereinga

March 24th, 2010
11:08 am

Captain:”Pelosi barred Republicans from participation in the bill writing, conducted behind closed doors. Harry Reid did the same in the Senate. I have no doubt you are much smarter than me, so please, tell me how in the world Republicans could have been part of the process,”

Tell us, Captain, where have you been for the last year while this healthcare debate had been shown EVERY DAY on CSPAN in the HOUSE AND SENATE Committee rooms? No participation in the bill writiing? How do you explain the over 200 REPUBLICAN amendments that are in the bill?

joan

March 24th, 2010
11:13 am

What bothers me with the GOP message is that the GOP really does have something to sell. It can sell itself as a party of those who believe in individual responsibilities, and corresponding rights. Stay in the tradition of our forefathers who brought forth this great nation in bravery. Too often they slip into the slime with their Dem friends.

HDB

March 24th, 2010
11:21 am

@ MiltonMan: Prior to 1964, the preponderance of black people voted for the GOP as the “party of Lincoln”; the first black Senator since Reconstruction, Edward Brooke (MA) was Republican. This is a fact that the GOP does not WANT people to remember.

It is NOT bipolar to note that the largest transfer of wealth went to those who ALREADY had wealth, not those who were attempting to ACQUIRE wealth!! I have no problem with wealth…but when the middle class is getting squeezed by stagnant wages, the poor made poorer by lack of employment…and the wealthy increasing their wealth while this is occurring……C’MON, MAN!!

Democrats favor CHOICE, not criminalization…….I do not have the right to deny a woman the choices she desires; I don not have the right to outlaw a medical procedure if that decision was reached between a woman and her doctor. I don’t want to see anyone have to make that decision….but it’s not my right to deny a woman the right to make that decision….NO ONE DOES!!. Here’s MY question: how many conservatives would care for the plethora of children not aborted…..and how many conservatives are against the death penalty…..aborting a fully-grown life?? That dichotomy astounds me……..

HDB

March 24th, 2010
11:25 am

joan

March 24th, 2010
11:13 am
What bothers me with the GOP message is that the GOP really does have something to sell. It can sell itself as a party of those who believe in individual responsibilities, and corresponding rights. Stay in the tradition of our forefathers who brought forth this great nation in bravery.

Joan, the GOP’s message is primarily fear, division, and racism!! The GOP wants you to be afraid of those who are unlike you, keep you afraid…and prosper from the fear!! If they stayed in the “tradition” (as you speak)…neither you nor I would have the freedoms that we have now!! WE would still be considered PROPERTY!!

I won’t go back to that……………….

Jon but not Jon Voight

March 24th, 2010
11:25 am

If you don’t like the requirement that everyone has health care, then petitition the Supreme Court that people can be “denied treatment” if they don’t have health care or do not provide a substantial down payment prior to receiving services. Our current system is set that people who don’t have health insurance either pay out of pocket or don’t pay at all. People who pay out of pocket don’t have regular screening of annual exams. They don’t want to pay full price for that. So they wait until they get really sick, or get cancer, and then it either bankrupts them or they don’t pay. And who gets stuck with the bill? It’s the people who have health insurance. Hospitals and doctors pass their losses in increased rates and fees. Insurance companies pass those costs in the form of rate increases. I’m personally tired of paying increased premiums to cover the deadbeats who wait until they get sick, or get in an accident, and then won’t pay.

bart

March 24th, 2010
11:27 am

Bob, which of the following would you want to repeal?This law immediately prohibits insurance companies from excluding children from coverage for pre-existing conditions. Later it prohibits insurance companies from excluding adults or charging more for pre-existing conditions. It prohibits insurance companies from dropping people from coverage when they get sick. It eliminates lifetime limits and restrictive annual limits on benefits. It begins to close the “donut hole” on prescription drugs for senior citizens. It requires new plans to cover preventive services and immunizations without cost sharing. It limits the out-of-pocket expenses your insurance company can make you pay. It extends coverage for young Americans, allowing them to stay on their parents’ health insurance plans up to their 26th birthday if they choose. It lets you comparison shop for a quality, affordable health plan through a new health insurance exchange or marketplace.
These provisions help everybody, even Republicans.

Lucy

March 24th, 2010
11:31 am

And by the way, the Heritage Foundation and conservatives have always been FOR a mandate for everyone to have insurance…until the Democrats proposed it too! It saves us all money in the long run, because as “Jon” says, we will no longer have to pay for those deadbeats who can afford it but refuse to get insurance.

No More Progressives!

March 24th, 2010
11:34 am

Keep up the good fight!

March 24th, 2010
7:32 am
5 physical attacks on local Democratic attacks. Recorded death threats against children of members of Congress. Angry attacks, whether with words, bricks or more veiled threats should not be tolerated. Its time to be responsible, be and act like elected officials and leaders. Intimidation and profane attacks should no longer be tolerated.

Yet when an angry mob of liberals prevents an invited guest from speaking, it’s “political dissent.”

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/technology/speech+cancelled/2718883/story.html

No More Progressives!

March 24th, 2010
11:42 am

FinnMcCool

March 24th, 2010
7:36 am
Republicans have always been sore losers. Remember the backlash after Clinton won in ‘92? Republicans took to the woods with their guns and before long they were blowing up a federal building and either shooting abortion doctors or blowing up their clinics.

You duplicitous, kniving moron. Blaming the Okla City bombing on Republicans is about as low as a human (you are a human?) can get.

Off with your head, traitor.

songbird

March 24th, 2010
11:43 am

Allen – I happen to vote mostly democratic because the republican part ran me out with their bigotry, prejudice, etc. I earned $200K last year, so I guess I don’t fit into your neat, tidy explanation of democrats either, do I?

Clem

March 24th, 2010
11:43 am

The current arguments to healthcare reform are virtually the same ones used by southern politicians against the civil rights laws of the 1960’s.

middler and so tired of all the rhetoric :

March 24th, 2010
11:45 am

Pretty good for the most part, Mr. Barr. Most of us don’t care who is in power or office if they do their jobs and produce what they are paid to do. Republicans haven’t done that for a long time. Everyone kept waiting for Boehner’s alternative budget, remember? Nothing. A Republican alternative healthcare bill? Nothing. Lots of words about destroying Obama’s presidency. Why is that so important? Aren’t we supposed to be the focus? If Obama has something positive work on it together and make it the best it can be. True for the Republicans too. Oh, and did I miss something about people in Canada threatening that hate spewing woman who calls herself a Christian? Did we annex Canada and I missed it? Canada has laws about the lengths to which free speech can reach; read the news. This wasn’t “liberal” U.S. citizens; it was folks in another county who are allowed to express their opinions about her brand of “satire” and “conservatism” without being called unAmerican or liberal. I bet Ronald Reagen and BIlly Graham would be insulted to be lumped in with Ann Coulter.

HDB

March 24th, 2010
11:45 am

NMP: In Coulter’s previous speech, she said that Muslims shouldn’t be allowed to fly…..in fact, she said for them to use a flying carpet. When a Muslim student asked her what should she do if she didn’t have a carpet…Coulter said: “Take a camel!”

There’s the CAUSE of your angry mob….Coulter brought it on herself……but that is NOT on the same caliber as spitting on an elected Representative!!

Is Coulter indicative of what conservatives REALLY are?? As Sarah Palin would say: “You bet’cha!”

BTW – Be glad it wasn’t ME who was spit upon…..I would’ve had a broken foot…for it’d be in someone’s posterior!!!

somewhereinga

March 24th, 2010
11:50 am

Bart! That’s not fair! You’re trying to use facts to convince people!

Swede Atlanta

March 24th, 2010
11:55 am

Here Here Jon but not Jon Voigt

I completely agree. People talk about how the HRC bill takes away people’s freedom. It does take away their freedom to not purchase health insurance and to ‘freeload’ on others when they do get sick.

I would like to be free from paying increased premiums and increased costs for the care I get from my health care providers.

I handle the affairs of my elderly father. He had a short stay in a hospital last year and the hospital didn’t capture either his Medicare eligibility or his retiree medical coverage from his life-long employer. I got the bill at X amount and called the hospital to have them bill insurance. When I got the updated statement from them it was 10% higher. They explained to me that they give a 10% discount to those without insurance. So in essence those with insurance pay a 10% premium. Some suggest that is because of the high cost of handling insurance claims. To that I say rubbish. If someone doesn’t have insurance I believe the hospital is going to have a much harder time getting paid from someone who has to find their own resources to pay or someone who simply cannot or will not pay.

I see there are only two options. Everyone has health insurance either through a program like Medicare, Medicaid or a private policy. Insurance is intended to spread the risk across a large pool of insureds and reduce the overall cost to any single insured.

The other option is to say that anyone who shows up without insurance is refused care unless they pay up front in advance. I for one can’t imagine living in a society as wealthy as ours that treats its citizens in this manner.

Rita

March 24th, 2010
11:59 am

“Too often they slip into the slime with their Dem friends.”

Oh, contraire! The Republicans dug themselves into their very own slime pit, no assistance requested or required. Fear, name-calling, shout-outs in the halls of Congress, on and on. The number one rule in politics has always been, “when you’re in a hole, stop digging.” That sorry lot must be suffering from collective amnesia.

No More Progressives!

March 24th, 2010
12:20 pm

HDB

March 24th, 2010
11:45 am
NMP: In Coulter’s previous speech, she said that Muslims shouldn’t be allowed to fly…..in fact, she said for them to use a flying carpet. When a Muslim student asked her what should she do if she didn’t have a carpet…Coulter said: “Take a camel!”

There’s the CAUSE of your angry mob….Coulter brought it on herself……but that is NOT on the same caliber as spitting on an elected Representative!!

Is Coulter indicative of what conservatives REALLY are?? As Sarah Palin would say: “You bet’cha!”

BTW – Be glad it wasn’t ME who was spit upon…..I would’ve had a broken foot…for it’d be in someone’s posterior!!!

Sure, tough guy. Free speech is only free, as long as you say so, right?

Brought it on herself, my aching backside.

HDB

March 24th, 2010
12:37 pm

NMP…..Canadians have a different set of rules…..but when Coulter makes her insults, she’d better prepare herself for the flashback!!

Here’s what Coulter said – freported by the Toronto Sun:

Fatima Al-Dhaher, a political science student from London, rose and spoke about comments Coulter made after the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

The firebrand Republican had suggested Muslim countries be invaded, their leaders killed and all Muslims converted to Christianity. She later suggested Muslims denied air travel take “flying carpets” instead.

“As a 17-year-old student of this university, Muslim, should I be converted to Christianity? Second of all, since I don’t have a magic carpet, what other modes do you suggest,” Al-Dhaher said to loud and sustained applause.

“I thought it was just American public schools that produced ignorant people,” Coulter replied, prompting her own round of applause.

Coulter then noted many Japanese were converted to Christianity after the Second World War and “we haven’t heard a peep out of them.”

To shouts of “Answer the question,” Coulter finally replied “What mode of transportation? Take a camel.”

“Are you going to convert her now?” another student shouted out.

“No, there are some people I just as soon not convert,” Coulter retorted.

Wise man said: When you leave yourself open, you will get hit!!

No More Progressives!

March 24th, 2010
12:50 pm

So, it is safe to say that you support angry, hostile mobs preventing invited guests from speaking?

I can only imangine the screaming and ranting eminating from your direction if an unruly mob prevented any liberal speaker from an invited engagement.

Your a profound hypocrite.

HDB

March 24th, 2010
1:01 pm

NMP – I did not say I supported the mob…..but when you insult someone, be prepared for the flashback…..

Coulter brought it on herself….I stand by that statement!!

I could ask the same question to you: Do you support the Tea Party’s spitting on black elected officials, using racial epithets….and receiving NO denunication from the GOP?? That’s the mob mentality of conservatism at work!!

Abrazos

March 24th, 2010
1:06 pm

I want to say something nice about “Ann” Coulter…the guy has some seriously pretty hair!

somewhereinga

March 24th, 2010
1:30 pm

And he has nice legs…a little skinny tho.

HDB

March 24th, 2010
1:43 pm

NMP….BTW…I remember conservatives outside the Florida recount in 2000 in their suits and ties doing everything to stop the recount…..another case of conservative mob rule……

Look..both sides have their lunatics……but the conservatives are better financed, better nuanced…but in many cases. on the wrong side of the equation!

Like Billie Holiday:

“Them’s that got shall get…..them’s that not shall lose…
For the Bible sez…and it still is news….
Mama may have…..Papa may have….
but.. God bless the child that got his own….
…that got his own….”

Joe Biden

March 24th, 2010
1:52 pm

Just wait…this ain’t nothin’. Wait till we pass a bill taking away the retirement accounts from all you rich Americans. Just wait cause it’s coming…we can do any @#$% ing thing we want to you and you can’t stop us.

DEWSTARPATH

March 24th, 2010
1:54 pm

- There are a lot of posts today complementing Tar and Feathers
for a submitted treatise on what the GOP needs to do to redeem
itself. You can add mine to the list.

Tar and Feathers (content by Russell King): Excellent post!
Congratulations on a great list of astute (and timely) observations.

dewstarpath

March 24th, 2010
1:57 pm

Abrazos – Mar. 24 – 1:06 pm – LOL!

We can stop this now

March 24th, 2010
1:59 pm

If 10 or 15 million really angry American men will meet me in Washington in a week? We will take care of this and Washington right now! Why should we wait until November to throw everyone in Washington out. Lets just go do it. The military would not stop 10 or 15 million people. The Dems want to use 219 cowards to end the country and steal our freedoms. Why should we need to use the ballot box to end this? Lets just go get this done?

HDB

March 24th, 2010
2:00 pm

Tar and Feathers: You now have a mandate: Get your post/Russell King’s content out to as many sources as possible…..you can start with Michael Steele, and continue with the state Charimen of the GOP & DNC……. :)

Your job, should you decide to do it…….(Mission Possible!!)

HDB

March 24th, 2010
2:02 pm

@ We Can Stop……I wouldn’t recommend your course of action…..what you open yourself for are charges of treason and sedition…..you could be shot on sight!!!

dewstarpath

March 24th, 2010
2:03 pm

HDB – I don’t “pity” Allen the fool …

– 10:24 am , Mar. 24 – ?????

– he needs to follow his own advice and do something with himself.
Accusing someone of rants and tirades after you just posted a paragraph
full of them is NOT a way to make a cogent argument or observation.

dewstarpath

March 24th, 2010
2:07 pm

We can stop this now – I don’t “pity” you either.
This is America, not Moscow in August of 1991 or a banana republic.

HDB

March 24th, 2010
2:13 pm

Hi, dewstarpath……

When you attempt to make a cogent argument to one who is as irrational as Allen, all you can do IS pity them!!

Wise man said: “Stupidity is contageous…..and common sense ain’t common!”

somewhereinga

March 24th, 2010
2:19 pm

We Can Stop This Now..Exactly which “freedom” did they steal? The freedom of Healthcare providors to take away your coverage when you get sick? The freedom of you staying on your parents plan while you’re in college until you are 26? Is that one of the “freedoms” you”re missing? The freedom of having parents not having to worry about changing jobs and not beiing able to take their insurance with them? Which one of these freedoms are you missing?

jgogek

March 24th, 2010
2:28 pm

This is a halfway intelligent column by Mr. Barr! I pretty much agree with him. It just goes to show you how far the GOP has sunk. I used to think that Mr. Barr was one of angry extremists. But he’s Julie Andrews compared to the party wingnuts these days.

ugaaccountant

March 24th, 2010
2:46 pm

somewhereinga – They did take away a freedom. Our government has never before mandated that a citizen must purchase any good or service. Hence one of the lawsuits.

AF

March 24th, 2010
2:47 pm

I am hungry for alternatives. The legislation the Dems passed has been vilified but there has not been sufficient debate over alternatives.

I truly don’t know if the few things put forward by Pubs are truly problem solving. Certainly, tort reform will do very little to address the range of issues that drive heath care costs. Making it possible for an insurance company registered in one state to operate in another is also slip-sliding away from any real oversight of the insurance industry.

We need discussion and debate, not rhetoric.

I am not angry with the Dems – I just don’t know if there were better alternatives. I do know that the Pubs did absolutely nothing about refoming health care coverage or delivery in the years they held the power. It makes me think they really don’t have substantive ideas on how to solve the problem.

Barack

March 24th, 2010
2:53 pm

For all you elated Obamaites…see how good you feel when you see the jobless rate skyrocket in the next couple of motnhs as employers figure out they can’t afford the mandated costs deploed by this “historic” Bill to keep all of their employees. Change you can beleive in baby!!! Oh Yeah!!

somewhereinga

March 24th, 2010
2:59 pm

ugaaccountant; I didn’t notice any of the Republicans complaining about “freedoms” being taken away in Massachusetts when Romney “forced” the population of that state to buy health insurance or pay a fine. Where was the uproar? It’s almost the identical thing in the long run! In the year 2000 whatever everyone will be required to have medical insurance just like Romney made them do in his state. Is hypocracy spelled with one GOP or two?