Anti-gun lunacy continues

We ought to be used to the stories by now — “Student suspended for toy gun”; “Boy Scout tool nets student suspension”; “Tweety Bird key chain cause for expulsion.”  Still, when we read of a fourth grade student being hauled into a school prinicipal’s office because his LEGO policeman figure is carrying a two-inch long plastic rifle, it is hard to resist the urge to pull at one’s hair in reaction to the sheer idiocacy of the adults who do such things.  This latest example of a grown-up appearing to be a simpleton in front of a child, took place at Public School 52 in Staten Island, NY. 

According to a spokesman for the school system, Principal Evelyn Matroianni was simply following the Staten Island school system’s “no tolerance” policy that prohibits all “weapons” at the school, when she hauled the 9-year old into her office and called his parents. 

Merriam-Webster’s Dictionary defines a “weapon” to be “something (as a club, knife, or gun) used to injure, defeat, or destroy.”  Now, I know we have become in many respects a people afraid of our own shadows, but if Ms. Matroianni considers that a two-inch long plastic rifle held by a three-inch tall LEGO police figure will “injure, defeat, or destroy” someone or something, then this is definitely not the sort of adult I would want teaching my children or grandchildren anything.  This is a person so afraid of the world around her that she probably leaves her bedroom light on at night to help scare away the boogey man hiding under her bed.  Perhaps she holds down a second job at TSA.

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neo-Carlinist

February 12th, 2010
10:40 am

isn’t it strange how a Friday AM fluff piece, which isn’t really about the 2nd amendment or guns, becomes a liberal v conservative spitting contest? to the conservative gun folks (I’m with you – hunter, shooter, but not NRA member) – the second amendment ain’t going anywhere. that said, it has no teeth, because should big brother feel the need, he will come take your guns on a case-by-case basis. to the sarah brady crowd; spare me the “well-regulated militia” tripe. legally purchased, responsibily handled firearms are not a threat to anyone. if people steal guns or use guns to commit crimes, throw the book at them (or better yet, shoot them). the second amendment exists as much to convince Americans they have the right to protect themselves against the government. as my first point illustrates, this really isn’t the case, but we can all dream, can’t we? the bottom line is, the second amendment is safe because it guarantees nothing, so people with guns can continue to hunt, shoot, and protect themselves as they see fit, and those who do not can rely in Kroger and APD (who, like the Lego police DO have guns) to meet their needs (food, security).

Hard Right Hook

February 12th, 2010
10:42 am

“However, it does NOT state that you can or must have an AK-47. It also doesn’t say that you have to have an arsenal in your home. ”

Yes I can have an AK-47, so long as the fully auto funtion is disabled.

Yes I can have an aresenal in my house, and I do.

And limp-wristed liberals can just shove it. The right to keep an bear arms shall NOT BE INFRINGED.

Big D

February 12th, 2010
10:48 am

” Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserves neither liberty nor safety” Ben Franklin. ” There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be trust no man with power to endanger the public liberty” John Adams…1772. These men knew what was a stake and their signature was their death warrant…ask yourself if what you believe is worth dieing for.

Real Athens

February 12th, 2010
10:53 am

UGA Accountant;

I know who Bob Barr “is” and who he “was”. I respect many of stances regarding constitutional law. I abhor his hypocrisy (in political and private life) and timing after marching lock-step with the RINO’s in charge of the country when he was a representative.

He has a lot of crow to eat.

He hasn’t proved his new found “libertarianism” is anything but a way to punch the clock and pick up a check

Big D

February 12th, 2010
10:54 am

HRH, you can by Federal law legally own a fully automatic weapon( class-3) if…you have a $200.00 federal tax stamp issued by the Department of the Treasury or you are a licensed Class-3 firearms dealer.

mike

February 12th, 2010
10:55 am

Not NRA Sammy, but I do vote. I also taught my children gun safety and how and when to use one. They both live in that hellhole called Atlanta and they are both armed and licencsed to carry.

Rational Person

February 12th, 2010
10:56 am

I notice that Bobbo is still citing the story about the Cub Scout who took his utensil to school and got into trouble.

That utensil included a sure-enough knife blade just like the one on my pocket knife, perfectly adequately for injuring or killing somebody. You can see it 36 seconds into a video at http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5381392n&tag=mncol;lst;3

And thank goodness we still have sensible people like Sandra in this world.

Hard Right Hook

February 12th, 2010
10:58 am

Thanks for that, Big D. At this writing, I really don’t have a need for any fully auto weapons, but who knows what the future will bring?

Anarchy in the streets? Hope not.

Jimbo

February 12th, 2010
11:01 am

@ C. Tucker , Fred Tokars and the rest of the KOOL-AIDE drinkers:

Know guns, know peace, know safety.
No guns, no peace, no safety

ugaaccountant

February 12th, 2010
11:02 am

real athens – regardless of your views on Barr as a person, this column and the ideas he puts out are limited government, personal responsibility ideas. Neither Republicans nor Democrats can lay claim to these ideas, so for the most part the readers here are not happy card carrying members of either party. He’s working one column at a time to improve the level of discourse in this country so that one day the voters might actually vote in a way that serves the people.

ugaaccountant

February 12th, 2010
11:03 am

rational person – There’s no reason a person shouldn’t be able to carry a knife or a gun anywhere they dang well please. If weapons are outlawed, only outlaws will have weapons.

Richard

February 12th, 2010
11:09 am

Bob, thanks fo breathing some common sense into this story. This is not about politcs, republicans or demorats (or public vs. private schools). This is about a student being smarter than his idiot teacher. This is not even about the 2nd amendment.

For those of you trying to make this a political topic, you clearly don’t grasp reality. A quote from Lewis Black: “If a squirrel gets run over by a car, you can’t say the squirrel was trying to kill himself.”

drmoses

February 12th, 2010
11:16 am

“A well regulated(trained and functional)Militia(all citizens capable)being necessary to the security of a free state,(A state of freedom not the State)the right of the people(everybody)to keep and bear(own and carry)shall not be infringed.”

If you folks would bother to read more history, instead of drinking beer and watching over paid morons carry a ball, you might understand the history of YOUR own country. Read a book? What a novel concept.

ali66

February 12th, 2010
11:17 am

Here is another classic example of the failures of the public school system. Give everybody their tax money back and people send their kids to whatever school they choose. What about “the right to bear arms shall not be infringed” doesn’t everybody understand. Ah Freedom!

Scout

February 12th, 2010
11:19 am

Mr. Barr:

And remember, we have already raised a couple of generations under these inane “zero tolerance” policies. These are the kids who grow up to be policemen, judges, politicians, etc. and that does not bode well for our future ……… they have been brainwashed not to use common sense.

By the way, when I was in school every boy had a pocket knife so we could whittle and play mumblypeg at recess. As long as we didn’t have them out in class (like chewing gum) we were o.k. If we did the teacher took it and put it in her big lower desk drawer and there it stayed until the last day of school at the end of spring. Even when she left the room we dared not mess with that drawer.

Marcos

February 12th, 2010
11:20 am

Thanks to conservatives of the Reagan error, we have “zero tolerance” in our schools which means administrators don’t have to use the brains God gave them to figure out how to deal with kids.

leeh1

February 12th, 2010
11:21 am

This merely teaches the lesson: “Don’t trust teachers!” If you have friend who is suicidal, for Heaven’s sake, don’t confide in a teacher! They will go ballistic, act irrationally, and punish everyone! The teachers are not your friends.

If you have questions, ask a public library reference librarian. They are on your side. If you have a problem, go to a minister or a rabbi or someone like that. They are on your side.

Teachers are not. They will turn you in. They will do you over. They will first protect their job, then make sure you are punished, even for doing right.

Teachers will apply simplisitc solutions to complex problems. Teachers are stupid, and must obey silly rules designed not to solve problems, but to satisfy idiots. Learn what you can from them in academics, but don’t confide in them, and keep your secrets to yourself, kid!

This is the lesson the teachers want you to learn!

Scout

February 12th, 2010
11:22 am

P.S.

I’m betting (someone check this out) that most if not all modern history books used in school have no photos of any weapons used in WWII, Korea, Vietnam, etc. No soldiers charging up Omaha Beach with their M-1’s. Oh no ………. can’t have a picture of a gun in school.

What idiots.

Miles Standish

February 12th, 2010
11:22 am

Real Athens, the “nanny state logic” dictates that ONLY the police/military can protect citizens – which is why THEY can have certain guns (”assault rifles” etc.), but we cannot. of course, this logic is based on the belief that all policemen are good and the state itself NEVER acts in its own interests, at the expense of the interests (rights) of the citizens. but I digress. my point was, maybe schools should use this specific Lego tool (policeman) to “teach” our children that we don’t need a second amendment because the nanny state (police/military) have our best interests in mind when they enforce the law.

Scout

February 12th, 2010
11:23 am

To ugaaccountant :

I carry a gun because a policeman is too heavy.

Big D

February 12th, 2010
11:27 am

This may not be a “100%” 2nd amendment issue..it is a 1st cousin. If you leave the common sense of this issue to those who call “toys” guns you are therefore emboldening those of the same ilk who would use the same false logic to outlaw the legal possession of a firearm. I for one don’t believe that “every person should have the right to have and carry a weapon”. We are smart enough to make sure that we ( sometimes not very well) make sure a person has been trained enough to get a drivers license to get a car on the road with the rest of us. I believe we can do the same with a training program for the “person” to have the ability to have and carry. If this was implemented it could be as simple as a state run training course if you have not had military experience. It would be a great way to derive revenue also. It would allow the state to put this on a drivers license and would be necessary to purchase weapons as well as ammunition. If you don’t think this is a good idea, just go to a firing range and so how many holes are shot in places they should not be.

William

February 12th, 2010
11:32 am

twinkletoes

February 12th, 2010
10:24 am
“it does NOT state that you can or must have an AK-47. ”

Have you seen a regulated militia in contempory times? Do you think they use muskets? Or springfield rifles? For a well regulated militia, the minuteman must carry and possess the firearm at all times. Since you seem to know very little about war fare and the dire need to protect the freedom rendered to us by God, it takes all types of weapons for personal and national security. If bad people use the weapons for illegal purposes, it is not the gun but the individual who should be controlled. However, progressive liberals do not want an armed citizenry. Progressives can shout and call it debate and win at times but they cannot win in an armed conflict. They know this and so do I.

William

February 12th, 2010
11:39 am

Is it the gender factor that we are having this problem? ….just asking.

Big D

February 12th, 2010
11:42 am

For those of you that have not had to exist in a country that has lost it’s civility ( I have) you will quickly learn a harsh reality ” if you can’t shoot it or eat it …it’s worthless”. Hitler, Stalin and Mao were less than 60 years ago and killed over 200 million in their consummation of power…do you really think we have become more civil in that short amount of time. I betting on NOT…I will stay armed and watching.

Real Athens

February 12th, 2010
11:42 am

This column is not a second amendment issue — but hey that’s what people want to write about. No one is coming to get your guns, but keep contributing to the NRA and electing folks who represent a fraction of what you believe in.

This column is about over-reaching, draconian, bill-of-rights defying, inane legislation; usually passed post-haste without much thought (legal or common sense) so politicians can be seen as”tough on (insert subject here) and have a 30 second sound bite for the next election cycle. Legislation that treats EVERY “convicted criminal” EXACTLY the same; regardless of circumstance or what a judge or impartial jury thinks is fair or just.

Cynical but so true.

JoseyWales

February 12th, 2010
11:54 am

“You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.” -Isoroku Yamamoto, Commander In Chief Imperial Japanese Navy WWII.

Too Many Guns- The name of my militia is…. The United States. And Friendly Fire?? Most gun accidents occur with people who don’t know how to use their gun. Not “friendly fire.” If there was a good chance the people some ignant criminal was planning on robbing had a gun, I bet you he would think twice about robbing them. Do some actual research on well armed societies and violent crime rates. Check out Switzerland for starters where every household is required to have a gun in it.

Oh yeah, my “camouflage wearing mother” is going to be perfectly capable of safely and effectively defending herself in the event that she needs to. What is going to happen to your mother??

Fred Smith

February 12th, 2010
11:58 am

Hm. Privatize education and the problem goes away. So, according to our founding fathers, will the society – no big deal, I guess, according to (wow) karl marx. Unregulated private schools, that can hire high school dropout pedophiles for teachers with complete immunity. You bet. No problems there. Do we have idiots making policy? You bet. Do we have idiots running some of the schools? You bet. Do we need to fix it? YOU BET. How is it you think unleashing predator private schools on your kids will solve the problem? The same idiots will end up running your private schools.

Scout

February 12th, 2010
12:00 pm

“If the 2nd Amendment meant only flintlocks (i.e., no M-16’s) then the 1st Amendment meant only quill pens and ink (i.e., no computers).

Hummmmmm …………………………….

Bob

February 12th, 2010
12:01 pm

If your going to invoke the second amendment you need to quote it in its entirety, ..”A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
Where does that state we need to name our militia ?

neo-Carlinist

February 12th, 2010
12:02 pm

a little off message, but I find it interesting how the AK-47 has become an icon of the “unecessary gun” crowd. I find this interesting because history suggests, the AK-47 is the de facto “weapon of choice” of most of the well-regulated (and perhaps unregulated” militias of the post-WWII world were the American war for independence fought in 1976, as opposed to 1776, no doubt the minutemen of the Continental Army would have been armed with M. Kalishnakov’s 1947 automatic rifle. Just a thought.

Road Scholar

February 12th, 2010
12:03 pm

uga accountant: No it’s not. I’m not a Rhode’s Scholar! Boy is that an openning for criticism!

neo-Carlinist

February 12th, 2010
12:03 pm

my typing is atrocious!

Name (required)

February 12th, 2010
12:05 pm

I wonder if that schools art department has scissors.

Fred Smith

February 12th, 2010
12:06 pm

As long as I’m distracted, the key indeed is “Most gun accidents occur with people who don’t know how to use their gun.” Aside from the fact that I had a rifle in my hands when it was longer than I was tall growing up on a farm, and that the small community spent hundreds of hours with all the 4-H kids making sure they knew how NOT to mistakenly kill themselves and others, I HAPPILY took the required sd courses in Virginia for my first carry permit after the coke addict invaded our house with us in it. Georgia? Nah – as long as they haven’t been busted, let ‘em kill themselves. But make sure the kids don’t carry toy soldiers to school – - -

Jefferson

February 12th, 2010
12:07 pm

If bullets were $3000 a round, what would that do ?

Bob

February 12th, 2010
12:10 pm

The national gaurd is run by gov, the second amendment is to protect us from gov, and robbing crews, this from today’s AJC.
The first electrician to arrive to the home was ambushed and shot in the leg, Fulton County police spokeswoman Cpl. Kay Lester said. He was tied up and placed in another room.

A second electrician came to the home, but fought back after he also was shot in the leg, Lester said.

“He was armed, and shot one of the perpetrators,” she said

I missed the part about all the innocents being hit by the electrician.

Sandra

February 12th, 2010
12:18 pm

John Adams,
It is my business when you affect me and my freedoms. Most anyone can take something that is written and interpret in the way they chose. The 2nd amendment is a classic example of that. I’m just sick of being told I as a person have no freedom of choice when it comes to guns.

Scout

February 12th, 2010
12:30 pm

To Jefferson re: your 12:07 ………

The short answer is most people would do their own reloading but it might also set off our next “Revolution”.

I suppose you know enough about U.S. history to know that our first “Revolution” started over guns (not taxes). The British went in the dead of night to Lexington and Concord in an “attempt” to seize the gunpoweder stores of the local militias. By the time the British got back to Boston, they had lost a lot of dead and wounded.

Now, most people will answer that there is no way citizens today could defeat our military. That may be somewhat true but just remember if things ever do get that bad ……….. a large part of our military will be siding with those who feel the Constitution must be upheld. Therein lies the problem.

Bottom line: The 2nd Amendment in the end is the one that protects all of the others.

Ego or Leggo?

February 12th, 2010
12:35 pm

Sorry, Bob Barr, but the principal is….. RIGHT! It’s a slippery slope from leggo rifles to class field-trips at a firing range, where the teachers won’t be able to resist clandestinely poking bullseye holes with a #2 pencil in the student’s paper targets on the bus ride back to make it seem like the student really can shoot.

Then where would we be? I’ll tell you where. We’d have fifth graders with their NRA Sharpshooter rankings and none of them actually being able to hit anything. Then, when the chinese come in hoards over the hills toward our positions we’ll be overrun and the only thing left of us will be moo gu.

Imagine Lady Ga Ga with two .38s and you can see the problem. She can’t shoot either.

Gawd this stinks. I’ve got the worst writers block in years, man. Time to stick my head in the toilet.

Big D

February 12th, 2010
12:47 pm

Scout, There is no way a standing Army fighting with conventional weapons could defeat the the Citizens of the USA …even the Japs knew that in WWII. The US will be defeated from within by the constant softening of the brain and spirit by the modern coliseum ( TV ) and the left wing lunny tunes thinking they have a clue to what is happening outside of their MAMA’s basement.

Rational Person

February 12th, 2010
12:47 pm

JoseyWales
February 12th, 2010
11:54 am

“You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.” -Isoroku Yamamoto, Commander In Chief Imperial Japanese Navy WWII.

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Of course, Yamamoto never said this. See http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/gun-control-in-australia/

The formidable Japanese army was not frightened off by farmers with hunting rifles.

This imaginary quotation has been attributed to many Axis leaders; none of them said it or thought it. This is another example of how gun worshipers live in an imaginary world.

Normal

February 12th, 2010
12:48 pm

Mr. Barr,
I’m late on this post, but I will tell you this. I was taught by age six to shoot and I served during Viet Nam. I fully support the Second Amendment, but I would rather wallow in slop than have a weapon in my house. It’s just my way, I guess.

Rational Person

February 12th, 2010
12:50 pm

On the other hand, the Nazis encouraged all non-Jews to have guns. When the Russian army rolled into Germany and raped all the women in sight, the German civilians did not do squat with their guns.

DirtyDawg

February 12th, 2010
12:54 pm

I hope you people realize what you’re saying and doing. I mean the more that my redneck ‘friends’ talk about their stockpiling AK-47’s and ammo ‘just in case’, the more this ‘Liberal’ is adamant about not giving up my Dad’s and Grand-Dad’s shotguns that they left me. If the ‘anarchy’ that some of you seem to believe will happen – most likely in the form of a ’self-fulling prophesy’ – comes (some think that’s where the ‘tea-baggers’ are heading) then be advised that we may be ‘out-gunned’ but we won’t be ‘unarmed’. Is that what you want? Is that what you’re really hoping for? Well if it is, it’s a pretty sorry thing to contemplate. Sad damn state of affairs if you ask me.

Was this a great country, or what?

Big D

February 12th, 2010
12:56 pm

Neo, you are right the AK has been lifted to the iconic, when in reality the M-16 is so much more formidable I have seen men shot with both and the difference between a .223 round going 3200 feet per second and a 7.62 going 1750 feet per second is staggering. The 55 grain bullet does not stabilize with the slow twist barrel it is fired through and follows the least path of resistance when it hits. Probably TMI …just the facts.

Bubba

February 12th, 2010
1:03 pm

“This imaginary quotation has been attributed to many Axis leaders; none of them said it or thought it.”

I have no idea whether he said it or not, but the factcheck.org site doesn’t refute it; it says nobody has verified it.

Big D

February 12th, 2010
1:03 pm

Dirty, I would say the “teabaggers” are more closely affiliated with the founding fathers than a left wing ideologue that preaches a new version of socialism.

Big D

February 12th, 2010
1:05 pm

RP, there were was nothing left ,but old men and children…bad example of ” rational”

Jack

February 12th, 2010
1:11 pm

May I temporarily move the discussion to another topic?

This must be made perfectly clear – anyone, including Sarah Palin, who goes to Arizona and campaigns in behalf of John McCain does so at the risk of the wrath of Tea Party voters.

John McCain, Lindsay Graham, Johnny Isakason, the two Maine senators and the Tennessee turncoat who voted to confirm the Hispanic racist are all who are republicans first and conservatives second, third or maybe not at all.

All must be purged. This is NOT a republican movement as republicans have had their chance in controlling Congress and the White House. Their betrayal is more so than the democrats who make no effort to present themselves as conservatives.

If you vote for republicans rather than conservatives, don’t whine about the results.

Big D

February 12th, 2010
1:20 pm

Jack, Good Point.