Anti-gun lunacy continues

We ought to be used to the stories by now — “Student suspended for toy gun”; “Boy Scout tool nets student suspension”; “Tweety Bird key chain cause for expulsion.”  Still, when we read of a fourth grade student being hauled into a school prinicipal’s office because his LEGO policeman figure is carrying a two-inch long plastic rifle, it is hard to resist the urge to pull at one’s hair in reaction to the sheer idiocacy of the adults who do such things.  This latest example of a grown-up appearing to be a simpleton in front of a child, took place at Public School 52 in Staten Island, NY. 

According to a spokesman for the school system, Principal Evelyn Matroianni was simply following the Staten Island school system’s “no tolerance” policy that prohibits all “weapons” at the school, when she hauled the 9-year old into her office and called his parents. 

Merriam-Webster’s Dictionary defines a “weapon” to be “something (as a club, knife, or gun) used to injure, defeat, or destroy.”  Now, I know we have become in many respects a people afraid of our own shadows, but if Ms. Matroianni considers that a two-inch long plastic rifle held by a three-inch tall LEGO police figure will “injure, defeat, or destroy” someone or something, then this is definitely not the sort of adult I would want teaching my children or grandchildren anything.  This is a person so afraid of the world around her that she probably leaves her bedroom light on at night to help scare away the boogey man hiding under her bed.  Perhaps she holds down a second job at TSA.

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Logic

February 12th, 2010
6:38 am

Too bad school administrators can seem to use a little logic!

Karl Marx

February 12th, 2010
6:40 am

Public education = child abuse.

Privatize education and this problem goes away.

C. Tucker

February 12th, 2010
6:41 am

Oh the humanity….of course the student should be taken out of the school.
The single mother’s home should be searched.
We must stop America’s fascination with firearms.
I know Obama will solve all of our problems.
We must elect more Democrats!

Too many Guns

February 12th, 2010
6:53 am

There are too many guns in the hands of idiots I think we all understand that. But this is a fringe issue that lets someone think they have a higher cause. What about the kid who brings his baseball bat he got for X-Mas, this is a much more serious weapon, how about steel tip cleats, I could hospitalize you with a pair of those. An over sized comb would be a prized weapon in prison, better put those on the list too. Finally, my fists can induce more bodily harm that anyone would want to imagine. Does that mean I should leave those at home as well?

Fred Tokars

February 12th, 2010
6:55 am

Nice Ascot Mr. Barr! Society has rules and we must follow those rules, you can’t bake a cake without breaking a few eggs.

Bubba

February 12th, 2010
7:11 am

Ascot? I think that’s called a shirt.

Baker

February 12th, 2010
7:40 am

“you can’t bake a cake without breaking a few eggs.” Huh? Hauling a 9-year-old kid out of class, embarrasssing, and bothering his parents over a Lego is breaking a few eggs? No sir, that is an assault on freedom. That is also one of many examples of the problems in our public school systems throughout the country. Not only can this idiot principal do this and cause problems for this poor kid, there will certainly be no recourse for the adult, not in NY where the unions have such a stranglehold on the teaching profession that teachers and administrators can’t be fired for even the worst displays of incompetence.

Skip

February 12th, 2010
7:46 am

Slow news day Bob? Got nothing so you chum the water?

V for Vendetta

February 12th, 2010
7:59 am

We’ve debated this a few times on Get Schooled. As a teacher, this makes me want to puke. I think such lapses of commons sense should be grounds for termination–or is that too strong a word for people who fear plastic toys?

Road Scholar

February 12th, 2010
8:07 am

Does that mean pencils and pens are weapons? Common sense? Doesn’t appear to exist any more.

Just enforce the present laws on the books. with some common sense!

Dave

February 12th, 2010
8:08 am

Karl Marx wants to privatize our schools – how ironic.

unclefast

February 12th, 2010
8:14 am

If I were in the principal’s position, I might, just might, follow the letter of the policy simply to draw attention to its asininity. Might make me look like an idiot, but it’s something I would try.

Sandra

February 12th, 2010
8:16 am

Common sense doesn’t exist on both sides of the issue. On one hand you have the people who overreact to toys. On the other hand, you have the people who believe there should be no laws around guys. Both sides need some medicine and mental treatment! I grew up in a hunting household, but still find it just plain stupid as to why we think everyone needs the rights to have any gun they choose and carry it anywhere they want to. An AK47 was never used in my house nor did my parents think they had a right to own one.

Sandra

February 12th, 2010
8:17 am

Sorry meant to say no laws around guns!

Remember Sarah

February 12th, 2010
8:17 am

Any person who would use “Fred Tokars” as their name is a real dick. All other bloggers would love to meet you, cake boy.

Van Jones

February 12th, 2010
8:18 am

You know your principal is an idiot when they say “I’m just following the school system’s policy…” instead of actually using their brain.

John Adams

February 12th, 2010
8:22 am

It’s simple Sandra. It is a right actually written in our constitution (unlike many other “rights” people think they have); the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Your parents did indeed have the right to own an AK47 but chose not to. What others do legally is really none of your business.

RGB

February 12th, 2010
8:23 am

Principal Evelyn should be required to demonstrate how the “rifle” on the LEGO policeman can be used as a weapon against someone–it’s show & tell time.

William

February 12th, 2010
8:24 am

Progressive liberals at work in our public schools! The progressive educators! Why would I want to send my kid to school and college with this kind of environment. You know the kind that indoctinates our kids as written in the book Animal Farm. Wake up democrats and take back your party. You do not have to accept those wacko’s ideals or values. You did have some goodones before they came onto the scene. At one time you were a Rugged American.

gaboomer

February 12th, 2010
8:37 am

Just remember” Those who can- Can, those who can’t- Teach, those who can’t even teach- Administrate!!
Another mindless, administrator afraid to make a “correct decision”

I't a Ruger, thank you

February 12th, 2010
8:38 am

When going through through the metal detectors in the Gwinnett CO courthouse I passed my keys through in a basket. The sherriff’s deputy picked them up with a pen and said what’s this, refering to a 1″ penknife on my keychain. I was told to remove it from the area or they could throw it away. After returning it to my car and re-entering I questioned the deputy (politely) as to which would be more deadly, that 1″ penknife or my 3″ ignition key shoved into the throat of someone? I was told to shut up, move on or be removed forcefully.

Where is Thomas Payne and his “Common Sence”.

steve

February 12th, 2010
8:40 am

He missed the one where an Arizona boy was suspended for drawing a sketch of a gun, and a 2nd grader in New Jersey for drawing a picture of a stick figure firing a gun.

Too many Guns

February 12th, 2010
8:44 am

If your going to invoke the second amendment you need to quote it in its entirety, ..”A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” So what’s the name of your militia? Just because your mother wears camouflage as a fashion statement doesn’t count. And to all you NRA fools out there who think everyone being armed will make a safer America I’ve but two words for you, friendly fire. I would bet my last dollar the same fool who supports citizens getting in gun fights with criminals would be first in line at the court house to sue the city state and anyone else when their innocent bystander loved one gets killed by friendly fire.

sam

February 12th, 2010
9:01 am

it does look like an ascot…hilarious! does he have a pipe on his lap?

mike

February 12th, 2010
9:13 am

Too Many Guns is a wussy

sam

February 12th, 2010
9:15 am

well said mike..let me guess, you’re nra and you vote?

Road Scholar

February 12th, 2010
9:21 am

Solution: Parents shoul be mandated (no laws) to get involved in their children’s lives and ensure they are taught both in school and at home. No more ” I didn’t know Johnny was doing that!”

jconservative

February 12th, 2010
9:35 am

If I may drag the US Supreme Court into the discussion, here is a sentence from Justice Scalia’s majority decision in last years Heller decision:

“Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose:…”

For those of you who want some control on weapons, possession is not an absolute right. For those of you who believe in no control over possession of a weapon, the Heller decision said Federal Government keep your hands off, with a few exceptions. The details will be worked out in subsequent decisions.

The Court now has a case from Illinois, McDonald v Chicago, that challenges control of possession by states & local governments. We should get the decision no later than May and you can expect a similar result. No absolute right, some limited control by states, but a fundamental Constitutional right affirmed.

This is the great thing about our Constitution, you can see it working right before your eyes in the light of day.

Sam ( The Cool 1 )

February 12th, 2010
9:37 am

I remember I brought my Roy Rogers cap pistols to school to show what I got for Christmas. It was a Holiday show and tell. Teachers had no problem with my cap pistols. That was in the 1950s’(I know I’m old) My how times have change.

Big D

February 12th, 2010
9:41 am

TMG, need to read the dialog for the 2nd amendment before commenting on it. It’s a tough read, but start with the Federalist Papers. Follow up with the independent essays of Madison, Jay and Hamilton. The “militia” as described is a lot like it is in Israel, where as the population at anytime is the “militia”. There will be no getting rid of guns…the genie is out of the bottle and just like people killed in car accidents we do our best to idiot proof them, but God will always provide a better idiot.We cannot follow in Hitlers foot steps with the 1938 firearms act that very effectively, through gun registration disarmed the Jews. The 2nd amendment for your information was not to protect us from invading powers…it was to protect us from our OWN Government. I believe we need it now more than ever.

ugaaccountant

February 12th, 2010
9:41 am

Please tell me that no school system has a rule against a toy gun. It’s one thing to write a policy against weapons, as nobody wants kids bringing weapons to a school anymore than they have to (fists, pencils, scissors, baseball bats, etc.) But there is no justification for banning any particular toy that cannot harm someone unless you simply ban all toys, which again is overstepping the bounds of common sense. The policy, as usual, is simply wrong.

JOD

February 12th, 2010
9:42 am

Why oh why can’t we have some Bob Barrs in power? Common sense appears to be on the endangered list.

Lastly – Hear, hear, Remember Sarah. Anyone who poses as Fred Tokars has serious problems.

ugaaccountant

February 12th, 2010
9:43 am

Road Scholar –
First, you know your name is misspelled don’t you?
Second, If I were the parents of this child I’d defend him by all available means. It is insanity to teach a child that a lego is a weapon. If you teach him that he’ll grow up to be a useless pansy.

Fix-It

February 12th, 2010
9:50 am

I will never understand the liberals, they claim that we should listen to all people and views, but if they disagree with liberal ideology then they are racist, stupid or a Bush supporter. I have an idea, if you don’t like guns, don’t buy one, and don’t stop me from getting one, problem solved….

Miles Standish

February 12th, 2010
9:55 am

interesting. thing is; when my child’s school paid its annual lip service to native Americans (Thanksgiving) it was OK for kids to manufacture weapons (bow and arrow, spear, tomahawk). as far as Lego rifles go, in the hands of “the state” (police, military, and private contractors – is there a Lego Blackwater kit?), it should be OK. it’s important for American kids to understand the nanny state logic which affords certain Constitutional rights to certain segments of society, but requires that others be carefully monitored. The teacher should be fired for incompetence.

Swede Atlanta

February 12th, 2010
9:57 am

Bob, I agree that in the administration of the policy common sense should prevail.

On the other hand I think it is fully appropriate to educate children at an early age that weapons of any kind are not appropriate nor permitted in the school environment. I didn’t have to deal with knives, guns, etc. at school when I was growing up even though I lived in the rural west. Kids had guns and knives, etc. but they knew if they dared to bring them on school grounds they would be seized and they would never see them again.

We have seen how a mentality that guns and weapons are “kewl” pervades our society. It is one of the reasons we have the highest rate of death by shooting in the world. We have athletes thinking it is “kewl” to bring their guns into the lockerroom. The list goes on and on.

So while I agree schools should administer their “no tolerance” policy with some common sense, the idea that we should educate children schools are not an appropriate place for weapons is dead on right.

As for public versus private schools. I went to a public school as did all of my siblings. We got a great education. All of us attended public universities and got great educations and are doing quite well competing with people who had private educations their entire lives. So don’t denigrate the concept of public education. It can work where the parents and community want it to work.

Big D

February 12th, 2010
10:04 am

This is to help Liberals out with their misinterpretation of the Constitution. Very simply it is a recipe…lets say it’s a cake. The cook along with others put together years of trial and error and finally have a cake that is really good and everybody wants it. Now, a few years later an up and coming “chef” decides that for what ever reason that it does not need four eggs and uses two..then two cups of sugar are two much..he used one….you get the point. It will still be a cake, but it will not be as tasty. I have often heard that the Constitution is out dated…it’s 234 years old…that’s young compared to the Bible and the Quran, should we write new ones to replace the out dated ones…just a logical thought.

zeke

February 12th, 2010
10:05 am

THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS LAW! ALL THE IDIOTS IN THE GENERAL PUBLIC, CONGRESS, THE COURTS, THE NEWS LEMMINGS AND THE WHITE HOUSE WHO WANT TO VIOLATE IT AT EVERY TURN, MUST BE FORCED TO TAKE A 1 YEAR COURSE ON THE SECOND AMENDMENT, IT’S ORIGIN, AND, THE REASONS IT CANNOT BE VILOATED, REQUIRING A 90+ SCORE FOR PASSAGE IN ORDER FOR THEM TO HOLD OFFICE! THEN THE 9TH, 10TH AND SO ON! THE SENATE ELECTION MUST REVERSED TO THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE STATE LEGISLATURES APPOINTING THEM! THIS WAS A MEASURE INSTITUTED TO INSURE THE STATES HAVE NO VOICE IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND MUST BE OVERTURNED!

dreadnot

February 12th, 2010
10:09 am

“too many guns” you should read the papers written at the time the constitution was written. Then it is possible that you would understan the meaning of the 2nd, you probley should look up the defication of militia as used in the 1700.

Big D

February 12th, 2010
10:09 am

ZEKE…A BIG AMEN….

Swede Atlanta

February 12th, 2010
10:10 am

Zeke, the fact your post is in all capital letters is a good reason to ignore you.

Before you can run you need to learn to walk. In the English language you begin sentences and proper nouns with capital letters. The other letters in the words are in lower case. Where necessary you may use italics, capital letters, etc. to draw attention to a particular word or section of your sentence. But using all capital letters indicates to the reader that you haven’t mastered the basics of the English language.

Big D

February 12th, 2010
10:12 am

Swede, as usual off topic and full of yourself.

Matt C

February 12th, 2010
10:13 am

Couldn’t agree more, Bob. My favorite: “Perhaps she holds down a second job at TSA.”

Real Athens

February 12th, 2010
10:18 am

William:

“Progressive liberals in charge of our schools”?

Miles: “Nanny state logic?”

Get real. Where have you been? The the freedom hating, “zero tolerance” with “mandatory minimums” laws many find so oppressive in this state were passed by “conservative” Republicans and who have been in charge for quite sometime. There are no bigger nannies in Georgia than Ralph Reed’s Faith and Freedom Coalition and Sadie Fields of the Georgia Christian Alliance. The “nanny state” has a big, fat “R” next to its name here in Georgia.

Your rant holds no water and contains no fact.

You guys have got to start weighing facts and quit mindlessly, regurgitating Boortz. He’s an entertainer.

I also believe, in his days as a federal prosecutor, Mr. Barr also favored mandatory minimums that set sentencing guide lines, and in essence tied the hands of elected officials (judges) for weighing extenuating circumstance and, uh, judging cases on individual merit .

You get the government you deserve.

twinkletoes

February 12th, 2010
10:24 am

The second amendment says: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Now. That means to me that the right to bear arms is connected to a regulated Militia. We have that in the form of the National Guard. However, it does NOT state that you can or must have an AK-47. It also doesn’t say that you have to have an arsenal in your home. Our love affair with guns has proven to be quite deadly, no pun intended. The schools have gone crazy w/their no tolerance attitude. A child, w/a 2″ toy is NOT a threat to anyone other than his attention span. The schools just need to get over it.

Jess

February 12th, 2010
10:25 am

What a sad, sad, over regulated, progressive place our country has become.

Jess

February 12th, 2010
10:30 am

Twinkletoes,

“The people” means everyone, not just the militia.

ugaaccountant

February 12th, 2010
10:32 am

real athens – sort of on point, but you do realize this blog doesn’t exactly represent the republican party. Check out Bob Barr’s most recent political experience and you’ll find you’re ranting against the wrong people.

ugaaccountant

February 12th, 2010
10:35 am

twinkletoes – regardless of your thoughts on militias or even the second ammendment, all citizens have a basic human liberty to arm and defend themselves from criminals. We all know the government doesn’t do a good job of protecting us, so perhaps we should stop relying on an all powerful government and work towards restoring individual liberties and reduce the role of the government to a more effective and appropriate level.

Kristopher

February 12th, 2010
10:37 am

“The second amendment says: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Now. That means to me that the right to bear arms is connected to a regulated Militia. We have that in the form of the National Guard.”

The Second Amendment existed before the National Guard did.

Also, you might want to consider reading the Heller case.

Or not. It’s of no concern to me if you choose to be ignorant.