Top 10 reasons the Dems lost in Massachusetts

10.  Obama – who believed his own rhetoric that the country was ready for the change he hoped for.

 9.  Obama – who, like Newt Gingrich after the ‘94 election and George W. Bush after the ‘04 election, came to believe that just because the voters voted them in meant they had been given a carte blanche to do whatever they wanted.

 8.  Obama – who forgot that when all the dust of an election settles down, Americans favor incremental change rather than sudden, quantum leaps.

 7.  Obama – who views politics in Massachusetts, New Jersey, Virginia, and elsewhere through the lens of Chicago politics as practiced by Rahm Emanuel.

 6.  Obama – who forgot that an incumbent president with sinking poll numbers should not make an eleventh-hour, high profile visit to boost a candidate with sagging poll numbers herself.

 5.  Obama – who forgot that Independent voters pay attention.

 4.  Obama – who sloughed off the Tea Party movement as a fringe element that had no impact on elections.

 3.  Obama – who pushed a massive health care proposal that polls showed was not favored by a majority of voters, so fast and so hard that he overshot the mark by a mile.

 2.  Obama – who pushed Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to ram through a health care bill at any cost, and to make whatever deals he had to in order to secure passage.

 1.  Obama – who failed to recognize that cutting a sweetheart deal publicly with Big Labor less than one week before a key election, was a really boneheaded move.

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Ridgerunner

January 20th, 2010
6:40 am

He won because most independents and a lot of democrats are ashamed they voted for Obama. America is waking up !

Andrew Billups

January 20th, 2010
6:43 am

The Kennedy dynasty appears to be over. It seemed it would never happen.

deborahinAthens

January 20th, 2010
6:51 am

I voted for Obama because I wanted us out of Iraq and Afghanistan. You cannot fight a “war’ on terrorism. Wars have to have an objective–bombing terrorists is like chasing mercury. Won’t work. We are wasting thousands of lives for nothing–just like Vietnam. I voted for Obama because, after voting for Republicans for forty years, I had become sick and tired of them not getting the real work of government done. I wanted tort reform. Instead I got Terry Schiavo and bans on same sex marriage. I voted for Obama because the health care system in the US is horrid. I wanted a single-payer system. I wanted every American to be included in the health care coverage and every American to pay his or her portion. I voted against McCain, primarily, because he wanted to tax health insurance. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that if there is no reason for a corporation to offer health care insurance to their employees, they will stop doing it. I have health insurance that would disappear. With this disaster of a bill that the Democrats have cobbled together, the American people would have gotten nothing. There would be a fine if you didn’t get coverage, there would be a fine if a business didn’t offer coverage, yet, the things contained in this bill does not force the insurance companies to lower the costs so people can afford insurance. I wanted something done to address the fact that people in other countries pay one tenth what we in this country pay for comparable drugs and health care. Nothing in this bill does that. They are so stupid, they can’t see it! The insurance companies, whom, I am sure, paid all the legislators massive amounts of money, got everything! We the people got nothing. The Dems didn’t even start bargaining from strength–they never even put the single payer option on the table. Then, like icing on the cake, the slimy creeps started pimping out deals. They let Nebraska off the hook for the massive Medicaid costs, but the rest of the states, already cutting budgets to the bone, would have to pay their share as well as Nebraska’s share. Then, when they let the unions opt out of the having their health insurance taxed, while families like mine–hard working, non-union–would have to pay that same tax, I wanted to vomit. I have never in my life felt so betrayed. I still will not vote for a Republican until someone with a brain comes to the top. There are so many brainless idiots out there that get elected simply because they have the money and the political pull. Where in this country are the statesmen that actually want what is in this Republics best interest? I will probably never vote for a Democrat again because they all have proved, yet one more time that they cannot govern. Obama has delivered nothing of what he promised, and I believe that the citizens of Massachusetts have sent him and the other Democrats a clear message.

Karl Marx

January 20th, 2010
6:55 am

One would hope what Brown made as his battle cry resonated with the voters. It was not a democratic seat or a Kennedy seat, it is the peoples seat. In fact they all are the peoples seats.

Joel Edge

January 20th, 2010
6:55 am

I think you’re not giving Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi enough credit here. President Obama didn’t do this alone.

bob

January 20th, 2010
7:35 am

deborahinathens, you voted repub for forty years but voted Obama because you wanted tort reform ?

Ragnar Danneskjöld

January 20th, 2010
8:08 am

With all due respect, I think the slam on Speaker Gingrich misfires. President Clinton wisely embraced many of Mr. Gingrich’s initiatives. While one could correctly use “hubris” to describe the Speaker personally, I think his political agenda was popular, and was an integral factor in the election of President Bush in 2000 (even though the Speaker was no longer around to similarly save President Bush.)

Boyd Campbell

January 20th, 2010
8:09 am

For those that think the insurance companies were getting a deal under the Democrat’s health care reform, think again. Look at the House bill. On the first or second page, it requires insurance companies to have a loss ratio of no lower than 85%. Assuming they get the best deal allowed of 85%, they have only 15% to use for operations (salaries, light bill, heating bill, etc.). I know of very few companies that have operating expenses less than 15% of gross revenues. That bill would allow premiums to sky rocket, and cause the health insurance companies to go out of business. Health care is not expensive because of insurance companies. Health care is expensive because of the lawyers, etc. I remember a few years back when they were arguing over the patient bill of rights under the Clinton administration. The disagreement between the Republicans and the Democrats was over limiting the lawyers to $1 million or $5 million on the punitive damages. I remember the late Ted Kennedy saying that the Democrat version would only add 2% to our health care premiums. That’s where they don’t get it! Most of these guys are worth millions. They don’t get that adding two percent here, and two percent there prices us out of healthcare! They don’t get that by allowing illegal aliens to take advantage of free health care through the hospitals it causes the hospitals to raise their rates which in turn causes the insurance companies to raise their rates. They talk about the evil insurance companies, but probably over half of them are not for profit corporations. I work for a mutual insurance company. That means it is owned by the insured, yet our health care premiums are very close to the for profit insurance companies. It isn’t the insurance companies. It’s the government, and without Brown being elected, they were way on their way to making things so much worse that we would’ve thought of them as the “good old days”.

Whacks Eloquent

January 20th, 2010
8:27 am

Feels very odd to say that I agree with Karl Marx, but here I am referring to the one that posted at 6:55 am!

This is a big win for the Tea Party movement and thus grassroots movements in general. Let’s break down the political machines…

StJ

January 20th, 2010
8:54 am

Funny how the karma train came around and ran their dumb @$$3$ slap over!! However, I agree with the previous post that said Pelosi and Reid didn’t get enough credit for this one. Let’s hope the karma train comes to get them, too.

Joel Edge

January 20th, 2010
9:02 am

Whacks Eloquent
I agree, the Republican party does not need to merely cheer this. With the Dems, they need to be thinking what this means for the future of party politics. Merely trying to court the party loyalists isn’t gonna work. The Tea Party movement isn’t a party yet. Not yet. If the two main parties don’t begin working for the American people. It could become one.

Karl Marx

January 20th, 2010
9:07 am

Whacks Karl Marks is just a blog (pen) name. I wanted to remind everyone what we should fight against. Marx’s 10 Planks should be required reading because that is what will destroy this country. Senator elect Brown’s victory is a win for Tea Parties all over this country and a defeat for those who dismissed tea party people as fringe elements. Politicians should listen because the people are speaking. Elected officials, Ignore them at your own peril. I can’t understand why people like deborahinathens think voting for the other party will actually change anything for the better. If you want to change something get involved and change it in the primary’s. With the likes of Kennedy, Pelosi, Reid, and Rahm why would anyone expect anything other than empty promises, back room deals, and ignoring the people. This isn’t Chicago it’s the United States and we don’t subscribe to the Chicago Way.

Joan

January 20th, 2010
9:20 am

If this administration has done anything right, it is that it has gotten the voters in this country so angry and so involved, that they have become more educated as to what is going on, and are simply not willing to allow their elected representatives to go to Washington thinking they are God. If this does anything, it should tell them they had better start paying attention to their electorate. Brown is right–it is the people’s seat. The people know that, and now the people know that if they simply ignore what is going on they do so at their peril. Politicians shouldn’t be trusted. They should be continuously watched.

M

January 20th, 2010
9:30 am

@Karl Marx 9:07am,
Most of the Ten Planks, in varying degrees, have been implemented already. Several of them for decades now, if not generations. The USA is a socialist country and has been since at least the 1960’s.

Bob's A Cherry Picker

January 20th, 2010
9:49 am

Hi Bob,

How snarky of you!

One thing you forgot to mention is that it’s a lot easier to scare people into not doing something than it is to encourage them to actually do something.

Fact of the matter is that the nation is in desperate need of some kind of healthcare reform, and the Dems are attempting to actually do something about it. Whether it’s flawed or not is beyond me, but the GOP seems to be extremely interested in some things that were lost on them previously…namely deficit spending and health reform.

So basically, they’re celebrating a victory based on hypothetical fear of the unknown rather than progress in the face of need.

Yoda summed it up best: Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

I think we’re in the Anger leads to hate phase.

Justine

January 20th, 2010
9:54 am

The answer is a simple one. The average US citizen could not name all of the elected officials they voted for to represent them from the local to the federal level. Instead they rely upon sound bites and unverified information and inuendos to determine what candidate represents them the most. Then you have the two political parties who are a monopoly upon the government and thus the lives of the American population without any checks and balances. In many ways I am glad Brown won because it shows nothing should be taken for granted.

Davo

January 20th, 2010
10:00 am

BB makes some valid points but to blame Obama solely for this loss is a bit much. The economy has to be the main reason for this upset, and even the bluest of the blue have limits to how much they are willing to pay in taxes. The Mass. voters already pay for their own version UHC (which Brown voted for) so it’s not likely they were very keen to pay for a national plan. Also, from what I’ve been reading, this gal ran a terrible campaign. I would bet that had she taken this more seriously than results would probably be different.

But it’s good news for us in the anti-establishment crowd. All of a sudden, the people have regained their voice. If we could mold a 3rd party out of this win then we could see some real change.

Shawny

January 20th, 2010
10:07 am

Right on Mr. Barr.

Jim

January 20th, 2010
10:07 am

What this means is now the party’s have to work together to get something accomplished, no more back room deals, no more party of “NO”. It has been shown that Americans are sick of all the political bullsh*t. Get something done or you’re fired.

Ray Pugh

January 20th, 2010
10:42 am

Man you people are dumber than a box of hammers–you really think Brown won b/c Massachusetts suddenly became a Red State?? Ha. Brown won b/c what’s-her-name was a terrible candidate who ran a terrible campaign–her own supporters even repeated called her “Marcia” instead of “Martha.” Oh, and it sure doesn’t hurt that Brown is charismatic and good-looking, and if you think that doesn’t matter, then why do we even know the name “Sarah Palin?” Pull your heads out of your @$$es teabaggers…

BS Aplenty

January 20th, 2010
10:58 am

Mr. Gingrich rose to the Speaker of the House because his message resonated with the American people. He also had the intellectual heft to communicate well the Republican message. Then-President Clinton compromised precisely because the Gingrich revolution forced him to.

The results were a couple of budget surpluses around 1999 and 2000, a responsibility-based welfare reform law (which Obama had tossed out in his first 365 days) and, most importantly, the burial of Mrs. Clinton’s attempt at a socialist healthcare scheme.

Obama didn’t learn those lessons of near-history and his socialist agenda clearly exceeded his political grasp. I think this healthcare bill is dead unless the Democrats wish to see further depletion of their ranks in Congress. Maybe they’re willing to take the gamble depending on their perceived losses – maybe not.

BS Aplenty

January 20th, 2010
11:01 am

Then-President Clinton compromised precisely because the Gingrich revolution forced him to.

I wish to alter that last conclusion to a more accurate one. Then-President Clinton compromised precisely because the American People forced him to. Representative Gingrich and his allies were, to their great credit, in resonance with the American People.

Dan

January 20th, 2010
11:01 am

I don’t know Ray the fact they voted in a drunken, butt ugly, elitist, buffoon for almost 40 years kind of belies that contention. Of course they may just be slow learners

Ric

January 20th, 2010
11:02 am

Bob, you forgot to mention “The Truck”!

leeh1

January 20th, 2010
11:05 am

Hot damn! Another win for a Republican! Back to government as usual: tax cuts for friends, overspending on pork, and sweetheart deals with lobbiests and bankers! I can’t wait for the change of going back to September, 2008!

Way to go, Massachusetts!

Another Republican elected to Congress, with all his baggage! Can’t wait to see what he will do to help destroy our economy a second time for the repubs! We American Joes go broke, and the elite Republican bankers make multi-million dollar bonuses!

The bankers sure got a wonderful payback on all the money they (using our tax dollars) invested in the Massachsetts Republican Party! Now, the Republicans can look forward to another few years of the best government their money can buy.

James

January 20th, 2010
11:11 am

Deborah in Athens.. understand this, the democrats pushed a watered health care bill because republicans would not lend their support to anything less. The bottom line is I am not and republicans are not interested in paying for your health care. ALthough I’d like you to continue to pay for my sons education. I appreciate it.

The American People

January 20th, 2010
11:13 am

We had the same answer Mr. Barr. You did a heck of a job Brownie!! Harry Reid, Blance Lincoln, Michael Bennet – You Are Next.

3rd Party Guy

January 20th, 2010
11:14 am

Oh good, now the crooks can get together and craft a healthcare bill that benefits the wealthy and the poor whilst screwing the middle class…again. Let the illusion of choice continue.

Happy Anniversary O

January 20th, 2010
11:17 am

I wonder if the Dems up for reelection will want/ask Obama to come to their state to campaign for them? I would say no.

MOT

January 20th, 2010
11:17 am

First to debrainathens: I too feel betrayed and yes our health system in this country really did need some reform, however the fact that people in other countries pay less for coverage does not mean their system is better. In fact anyone who is now a citizen here from other countries where they paid less, are standing up fighting against the “reform” of our system…they see the writing on the wall. Why do you think we in this country have so many coming from other countries and are happy to pay to get their health taken care of? Or are you even aware of it? I am a nurse, I am on the front lines, I see, I know. You diss the healthcare in the US as “horrid”, you obviously have not lived elsewhere, or dealt with other systems, like the military system that me and my family used as I grew up (my dad was army). Why do we have a system non-Americans use? Because of the free market element which gives people choice/control. Once you remove our ability to control such personal basic choices as who our doctor is and how/when we get cared for, we lose control. That means we are nothing less than subjects ruled by authoritarian power. Now, that said, we do need reform: remove the sweetheart deals made between pharmaceuticals and doctors/hospitals as well as anyone in power. And to answer the accusation nothing else has been brought to the table (don’t remember who said that), but that is not true, several different offerings have been brought and the ruling democrats, and namely Pelosi and Reid engineered and controlled things in a way that prevented anyone else from putting something logical and reasonable down. There has been the idea of using what we have already with medicaid and extending it to all, there has been the idea of Massachusets model. And speaking of Massachusets, like Davo pointed out, they will want to opt out of any deal b/c they had a governor who was strong enough, wise enough and had a wonderful background in finance that put together a pretty dang good health care program for them. Too bad the whole country can’t have that. That governor was Mr. Romney. We could have had him in there reforming our health care. But too many folks let religion get in the way. Now here we are all suffering. I sit down here in Georgia, envying those in Massachusets. I too quit voting Repbulican or Democrat, I try to vote for the individual, but the way it has been, in US politics has been impossible to vote for the best. I am thrilled that the Tea Party has gained such great widespread and deepening roots! NOW let us all work hard that we end up with smarter leaders who are not greedy crooks in there putting together something that makes sense and will work without breaking “we the people’s” backs.

DW

January 20th, 2010
11:24 am

AGREED RAY PUGH

joe matarotz

January 20th, 2010
11:27 am

Who wrote this blog and what have you done with the real Bobolink Barr?

Karl Marx

January 20th, 2010
11:27 am

M your right. most of Marx’s plank have been adopted but that does not make it right nor does it make it right to support it. I will always vote for the person (Not Party) that will most closely not follow the planks that can get elected. That is the reason I did not support Obama for president not that I thought McCain was much better but he was the lessor of two evils. I’ll also say a vote for Mr. Barr did nothing but help the Socialist Democrats last election. Congratulation Libertarians it’s the change you believed in.

Real Athens

January 20th, 2010
11:39 am

Get your head out of your collective a*$es. The tea party movement is nothing but a republican financed, grass roots organization, given false credibility by the republican-backed media arm, designed to put a new face on the same old pigs. Guess what? It worked.

Now you can return congress to the same folks who ran the country into the ditch for 8 years.

Rational Person

January 20th, 2010
11:46 am

Bob left out the main reason: Fox News and Internet rumor-mongers pumping out the hate all day every day.

smart black guy

January 20th, 2010
11:51 am

No real athens, the Dummycrats are the ones who destroy economies, the repubs tend to build it!

Fix-It

January 20th, 2010
11:52 am

deborahinAthens,
it sounds like you need to move to Cuba, and take Michael Moore with you. Why is it that the loony left wants to make the US into a Euro Trash? If it is always better some other place then feel free to go and leave us alone.

Glenn

January 20th, 2010
11:53 am

As a former New Englander I can tell you that the main reason Brown won was because Coakley is an out of touch idiot . She truly thought that because she had a D beside her name she would be given the election . She was up 15 points a month ago . But guess what ? When you miss spell your states name & make a silly remark about Schilling being a Yankee fan you are asking for trouble . Out of touch & more than 10 percent unemployment equals disaster . There is a message there but before you harp to hard on government healthcare you should know Massachusetts has state sponsored healthcare . All politicians are on notice & thats a good thing .

Real Athens

January 20th, 2010
11:55 am

Mot:

I have been treated for a chronic illness (kidney stones) in the U.S., Denmark, Canada and Sweden. The treatment cost $10,000 in the U.S. and under $100 Euros in Sweden and Denmark and about $250 in Canada — for hospital visit, treatment and medicine. Draw your own conclusions and I’ll draw mine — I’ve been there, done that.

Here is a non-partisan, well-informed take on our healthcare system in the U.S. Read it and educate yourself. It is a well-written, common-sense approach. It highlights problems and offers real solutions.

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine-archive/august-2009/viewpoint/overview/our-prescription-for-health-care-ov.htm

Fix-It

January 20th, 2010
11:55 am

Real Athens,
why are you against lower taxes and less government? If you want to pay more taxes feel free to, but don’t FORCE me to. By the way the Tea Party has received NO tax payer money, yet ACORN, which is RUN by the dimacrats has. So do you think ACORN is not an extension of the dimacrats?

Fix-It

January 20th, 2010
11:58 am

Real Athens, if you have been there done that why did you come back to this terrible place? Please go back to Sweden or Denmark, we are all so bad here…

Davo

January 20th, 2010
11:59 am

Karl Marx

” I will always vote for the person (Not Party) …a vote for Mr. Barr did nothing but help the Socialist Democrats last election. Congratulation Libertarians it’s the change you believed in.”

That makes no sense what-so-ever.

Real Athens

January 20th, 2010
12:02 pm

FIx-it:

I’m for fair taxes and wise government. I would be completely satisfied with a return to the tax structure during the the term of the last, great republican president.

The tea party movement was created by Dick Armey.

How does ACORN play into this? Please tell me what it is you think they do?

Swede Atlanta

January 20th, 2010
12:08 pm

I agree with you Bob except for reasons #3 and #1.

#3 – The HCR package by CBO estimates should actually reduce public expenditures over 10 years. It is massive but then healthcare is a significant chunk of the economy and without reform it will continue to grow.

I think Obama and the proponents of the reform package never connected with people. Most of what people heard about HCR was negative and most of it not true. They failed to communicate and sell the package.

Up until a couple of months ago a majority of polled Americans were in favor of the plan. But the proponents did nothing to combat the negative press or sell the benefits.

#1 – Doing a sweetheart deal with Labor
I think most Americans can understand the problem Labor had with the Senate’s funding mechanism was that it taxed more expensive health care packages against a backdrop that Labor had given up wages and other benefits in favor of better health care.

Personally I think healthcare benefits should be taxed for everyone or for no one. Why should I get tax free healthcare provided by my employer when someone who has to purchase their coverage out of their paycheck has to pay tax on it. Either my benefits need to be taxed or the other guy should be able to deduct his healthcare premiums even if they are not itemizing deductions.

I think the big turnoff on healthcare was the compromises that Harry Reid made with the likes of Ben Nelson. His vote was garnered by extortion.

jayenowayout

January 20th, 2010
12:11 pm

The real issue is that no matter what party we vote for the machine in DC will never change. For 20+ years the Reps held the main seat and they did nothing but run the country in the ground. Now the Dems are doing the same thing. The best bet is to vote nationally but act locally. We are in wars we cannot win and should not be in. Fighting an enemy that will will soon be borrowing money to help them re-build their countries. Overhauling a health care system that wokrs for 90% of the population for les than 10%. Bailing out big business while they sit and watch homeowners lose everthing they have ever had. Providing foriegn aide for women and women dying in the strets in countries far away while we have women and men and children freezing and dying in our own streets. The government is a tool for the wealthy and a vice for the POOR. We only have one way out, and they are going to MAKE sure we take nothing with us

MOT

January 20th, 2010
12:11 pm

Well, Real Athens, you must be blogging from either Sweden or Denmark, which is it? I have two kids with seizure disorders, when they hit 19 and are out from our insurance, which one already has, it will cost a few thousand a year to keep them in their meds here in our country…..but to go anywhere else, I have to get at the back of the line to see the dr. to perscribe the meds. Guess how long that line is? Canada=2 years. Anywhere in Europe 1-2 years. Here: at most 6 weeks. When the first one was referred to neuro by pediatrician I was told it might take 6 weeks to see neuro. We were in the very next day!!!! It seems folks outside the country are happy to pay for getting in faster here, and there are those here that are happy to wait for less money in other countries….and that is your choice!

2 party system is lame

January 20th, 2010
12:16 pm

Dems and Republicans are not good for the people (from a republican). If we could only vote someone in that is not associated with one of these parties and their special interests.

Fix-It

January 20th, 2010
12:23 pm

Real Athens, if you are for fair taxes and a wise government, then you are in the wrong place. Fair taxes would mean Fairtax.org and a wise government would mean they should only spend what they have, so you are SOL. If you don’t think ACORN was not created and funded by the dimacrats you are lost. An example of ACORN is how come they can ONLY “find” dimacrat votes in states that use them? Makes you go hmmmm. How do more people in a county vote than live there and the registrations are all from ACORN, hmmm. Why does ACORN get tax payer money and the Tea Party does not? ACORN is no more than a dimacrat arm of the government, the same as you claim the Tea Party is for the GOP….except my taxes don’t go to the Tea Party.

Fix-It

January 20th, 2010
12:29 pm

Swede Atlanta, you act like you know what is in the bill, can you show me where online it is, or to where the CSPAN video is? Oh that’s right just 2 more broken promises. The fact is that even the people who are voting on the bill don’t know what is in it, and it was written by lobbyist. I will not have any lobbyist in my government; oopps another lie, most of the Obozo cabinet is lobbyist.

deathportal

January 20th, 2010
12:29 pm

A vote for Barr did not help Obama in any way. First of all, I don’t believe that voting third party EVER helps anyone in one of the other parties; that argument is like saying “limit my freedom of choices, please.” But you could add up Barr, Nader, McKinney, Baldwin, and every other third party candidate’s vote totals and combine them and it STILL wouldn’t equal the gap in vote totals between McCain and Obama. McCain still would have lost. I voted for Mr. Barr and I did NOT elect Obama. Period.

And, Karl Marx, if you want to stop Socialism so bad, quit voting for one of the Big Parties that implements it! Although I think the whole “Socialism!” cry is over-done and is losing its effectiveness. Now it sounds like a bunch of bellowing, angry white men who are just pi$$y ‘cuz McCain didn’t win. A more accurate description of Obama, I think, would be Corporatist, whereas Bush was Fascist.

MrLiberty

January 20th, 2010
12:30 pm

It certainly wasn’t because as National Review would like to believe, that the citizens of Mass. approve of unconstitutional warfare, bloated defense budgets, imperialism, torture, and the rest of our foreign policy planks (well, they didn’t exactly phrase it that way, but the truth is the same).

Of course it was about Obama. And unless the republicans who actually care about liberty, limited government, a sensible foreign policy, sound money, and the like get out and support republicans who are vastly different than Mr. Brown, they are just going to replace this bunch of failures with more folks who will continue to erode our freedoms as fast as the current gang are trying to.

In this case it is a shame that the Mass voters did not have a REAL choice, but someone who really cares about liberty, freedom, and limited government would never get elected in Mass.

MrLiberty

January 20th, 2010
12:34 pm

2 party system is Lame —- The democrats and republicans in every state house in the nation have conspired to make sure they don’t ever have to face any real competition. They have passes horrendous ballot access laws that make 3rd parties spend most of their money on getting on the ballot rather than on the campaign. Mentalities like Deathportal is objecting too further challenge an alternate contender.

Things are so bad that the last time a congressional 3rd party candidate qualified to run in GA was 1934! Yes, the two parties in this state care so little about your freedom of choice that they wish to continue offering up garbage and being able to say “well, at least we aren’t them.” But then look at sunday alcohol sales and you can see that the legislature doesn’t care about your rights, or your free choice.

Swede Atlanta

January 20th, 2010
12:44 pm

Fix-it @ 12:29

I have not seen either the House or Senate bills. What I know comes from a combination of mainstream media (print, tv and radio), alternative media, the net, etc. I would have liked to see both the final House and Senate bills posted for review. They may be out there, I haven’t looked.

As to members of Congress not knowing what is in the bill you are probably right. There are probably members that don’t know and shame on them. But this is nothing new. Members of both parties have been voting on bills they really had not read for as long as I can remember. They get a brief from an aide and decide how they are going to vote.

I would venture to guess that there are Democrats that voted for their chamber’s version of the bill without any detailed knowledge of what was in it. They read the Cliff notes. Similarly it appears there are Republicans who didn’t read the bill because as a block they had decided they were going to vote no.

This is one of the biggest problems with our law-making process. Bills are usually very long and complex. Members aren’t going to sit for hour after hour after hour to read the details. They get the cliffnotes version. The aide that prepares the briefing for the Member gets to pick and choose what the Member knows about the bill. I firmly believe that often it is the opinion of a trusted aide that decides how the Member will vote.

street smart

January 20th, 2010
12:52 pm

JOAN—-you and several people say that Brown is right when he says his seat in congress is neither GOP or Dem but instead the peoples seat. Dubya also said when he ran against Gore that he would always be the peoples President. And he was…… the RICH people and BIG GOVT people President. The GOP have always been for the wealthy and to hell with the working class. When the GOP had the House, Senate & Chief Exec office under Dubya the middle class grew poorer, in debt, foreclosed & unemployed while the rich got richer. Do you think that happened by accident? Like Dubya, Brown can talk the talk but not walk the walk. Wait and see.

Real Athens

January 20th, 2010
12:53 pm

Deb: I blog from Athens, GA. And I’d guess we would agree on more than you think. Check it out:

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine-archive/august-2009/viewpoint/overview/our-prescription-for-health-care-ov.htm

Fix-It: As long as you represent the “tea party” movement in America — it will never go anywhere, the veil is lifted when you speak/write. Fix-It? Patriot?

How about half-wit?

Listen to Mr. Liberty. He’s a patriot.

DAVID-AJC Truth Detector

January 20th, 2010
1:00 pm

THE KENNEDY..mystique…..& the OBAMA mystique have hit a brick wall of reality.

Chris Broe

January 20th, 2010
1:03 pm

Bob Barr used to write for Letterman. The top ten reasons Y Brown won. (One). Those pictures of Obama as a voodoo frankenstein are scary, man. (Two). Those pictures of Obama as a Hitler-in-blackface are too Mel Brooks. (Three). The first lady cheats at double-dutch jump-rope. (Four). The first family took too long to get a dog. (Five). Americans don’t trust a light-skinned negro who can’t rap. (Six). The Nobel Prize should have gone to Beyonce, who put out a really phat video last year. (Seven). Two words: Incumbentitis. (Eight). Bush is a much better golfer. (Nine). It’s the Mandatory Participation, Stupid. (Ten). “Invoking Cloture” sounds too much like a sex act.

Randall

January 20th, 2010
1:23 pm

@street smart
Keep drinking the “evil rich” Kool-aid. You are in lock-step with the Democratic Party’s talking points, using class warfare.

ICE Beer is 5.5% and cheaper too

January 20th, 2010
1:24 pm

Don’t blame me. I voted for Ron Paul.

retiredds

January 20th, 2010
1:31 pm

I’m looking forward to getting back to the good old days of Bush/Cheney. Bravo Repubs!

smart black guy

January 20th, 2010
1:45 pm

Shove this Bill down our Throat, and watch the American People Revolt!

william

January 20th, 2010
2:10 pm

I hear the progressive liberals whine that the repubicans will take us back to the days of Bush. Tax breaks for the wealthy blah blah blah.

Now when did you see a conservative exclusive backroom deal making congress? Tell me! Please! When did Obama and the liberal congress invite the conservatives in the bill writing process? Tell me! Please!

When did the progressive liberals try to bribe senators and labors unions for voting against the wish of the American people? You can not tell me that either can you? You have selective memory and an ideology no one wants. Get it! Please!

JOHN ODD OWL

January 20th, 2010
2:15 pm

The Democrats have no one to blame but themselves, They allowed the Repuklicans to obstruct, delay, and block their legislative agenda. America hasn’t made any progress since 1981. Former 3rd world countries have advanced faster than we have. The American political system is stuck on stupid and trapped in legislative gridlock. I think a “Fuhrer” or an “Il-duche” would do a much better job.

JR Ewing

January 20th, 2010
2:34 pm

EAT MY GRITS BOB!

JR Ewing

January 20th, 2010
2:38 pm

AND GEORGIA IS A LOSER!

retired

January 20th, 2010
3:05 pm

Denmark and Sweden citizens pay a little over 1/2 their income in taxes. Is that want we want?

Sluggo

January 20th, 2010
3:09 pm

I have ten different reasons:
1. The liberals want far more government control than the people do.
2. The democrats forged ahead with a couple of health care plans that the vast majority of Americans oppose. They did not listen.
3. The people are frightened by a scale of spending by the democrats that they did not imagine.
4. The people actually wanted a post partisan president, not a Chicago bully boy
5. Democrat leadership offended us by their arrogance and disregard of the people
6. We hate seeing votes bought for billions
7. Obama seems arrogant and condescending. His rhetoric is unsatisfying and no longer believable.
8. Democrats seem more interested in the approval of a small group of journalists, rich fat cats, professors and movie stars than the concerns of me and my family.
9. Obama and the dems already screwed up the stimulus and everything else they touched. Why the rush to screw up healthcare too.
10. There are things I want to see change about healthcare but the democrats are just going to make a bad situation worse.

Gon'e Fishin'

January 20th, 2010
3:41 pm

Obssess much, Bob?

Big D

January 20th, 2010
3:41 pm

Chris Broe 1:03, I don’t agree with you much, but that was good.
SBG, Amen.

OneFreeMan

January 20th, 2010
3:53 pm

He won because he got the most votes…

Dunwoody Mike

January 20th, 2010
4:12 pm

retired,
http://www.taxrates.cc/html/sweden-tax-rates.html is a chart of Swedish tax rates. It is a progressive taxation system, lioke we have in the US and many other countries.
Right now, 1 Swedish Krona is equivalent to 13.9 US cents, or approx. 7.2 SEK to the dollar.
Notice that those that makes under SEK 380,200 (US$ 52,000) pay NO national tax.
You can use that chart to figure out how nuch someone with your income pays, and compare it to the benefits of living in Sweden.

Mike

January 20th, 2010
4:59 pm

When Ted Kennedy found out that LBJ was flying back to DC on Air Force One after the assassination, he screamed, “what is that %(@!#* doing on OUR plane?”

It wasn’t the Kennedy’s plane, and it wasn’t the Kennedy’s Senate seat. Martha Coakley thought it was.

Apparently, Senator Brown also looks better naked than his opponents.

Cutty

January 20th, 2010
5:05 pm

Democrats lost because the didn’t deliver on their promises. The repubs ran a nude model and won. Obama & Co capitulated to big business in every aspect last year. No financial reform, no ‘legitimate’ healthcare bill, increased troops in Afghanistan. If they had done the things they said they would do, republicans wouldn’t have a chance. They have between now and September, or its back to business as usual with the GOP running both houses of Congress. Not like they have a plan, they just want to get back in power.

People all of a sudden have a clue what a deficit is, but said nothing while republicans ran it up. They did nothing of substance while in power, and the dems have done the same thing this year. Nothing. We need a legit 3rd party pronto. Both parties are bought and paid for.

Oh the Irony

January 20th, 2010
5:19 pm

It smiles to make me think that Obama would not have gotten the democratic nomination without the support of Ted Kennedy and now the seat Kennedy held for generations was lost to a Republican because of Obama.

Robert Littel

January 20th, 2010
5:50 pm

Considering that the election of a Black president is just a foreshadow of what is coming in the near future, when Whites become the minority, and considering that the corporate Lily white elitists who now control almost all aspects of our society (except breeding rates, evidently) want to maintain their control as long as they possible can, it is vital (from their perspective) to make sure that Barak Obama’s tenure in office is an abject failure. If they can make it happen, then they will have a rationale to insure that the plurality of whites, that will still exist, will be able to unite behind the contrived idea that the experimentation with ethnic leadership (with emphasis on darker complexions) should not happen again any time soon, even in the face of their reduced numbers.

“Absolute power corrupts, absolutely” and if anything has become apparent in the last century, it is that wealth is power and absolute wealth (as in 1/2 of all wealth sits in the pockets of about 4000, curiously White people) corrupts absolutely. There is a race based campaign, being waged from the top, using clueless and very racist uneducated, lower middle class Whites (teabaggers, gun nuts, and others)in an effort to seize an opportunity to mount a contrived populist stance against this president, at a time when the mess they dropped in his lap is at a most critical point. They perceive, correctly, that the weakness they imposed on the country can be used to further that end, and the solid wall of uncooperative behavior coming at this president by the completely corporate owned Republican Party, is only a symptom of the all out war being waged against him and us. Barak Obama is a president that is not only at war with our real enemy (in Afghanistan and other areas), but the costly faked enemy in Iraq (compliments of the corporatists), but also at war with an enemy that has launched a sustained all out attack against him since the day he took office, the entrenched and self-serving ultra-ultra-rich and their cheaply bought minions.

Barak Obama has done very well considering the attention span of the average so called independent voters, that are now drifting mindlessly and impatiently back over the line to corporate control. I doubt very much, that the corporatists could have galvanized the forces of ignorance and bigotry so fast if the Democrat winner had been White and I can only hope that the clueless voters, who made the correct choice in 2008, will wake up to the fact that they have to take a political stand on the side that actually represents their interests, and stop whoring after the sloganeering corporatists at every shift in the breeze, as has just happened in Mass.. We have a choice to become informed citizens, or we can take the simple way out and just become pawns of the autocracy of corrupted wealth.

ugaaccountant

January 20th, 2010
6:14 pm

If this country is going to stay healthy, the “tea party” is going to need to become a major party and represent all of the middle class. Seeing as the democrats really seem to help only the ultra poor and the republicans only the ultra rich, about 99% of us would be better off with a party representing sensible middle of the table agendas.

In the republican “moral majority” revolution of 94, this kind of thinking was what was promised, although also including a religious undercurrent. Sadly, the Republicans got away from limiting spending or representing the middle class. The Democrats have not represented the average working person in a much longer timeframe than that.

And here’s an idea that shouldn’t be so hard for congress to grasp, vote this healthcare issue through one idea at a time. You’d get the good stuff and leave out the garbage. Then, do the same with the budget, vote in the necessary core programs and have your pork projects in a separate bill that would be voted down nearly unanimously. Stop tying in bad ideas with things that are necessary. If it’s not good on it’s own merit, don’t do it.

ATL Guy

January 20th, 2010
7:37 pm

America is upset that Obama didn’t pull out his magic wand and make all of our problems – decades in the making – go away in one puff. Good job America. Hold on to those tea bags because the way we’re going we’re going to need them. We lack courage and we have short memories. And that will be our down fall.

Andre

January 20th, 2010
9:11 pm

Are you people BLIND? You’re happy to be gaining control back in the U.S. Capitol. Great. What are your elected Republican representatives going to do now? What is going to be different from 2001-2008? ANSWERS? Nothing. I believe people were happy before with the economy in decline and no good health care. People just rather be poor and die.

Jay Stinks like Rotten Fish

January 20th, 2010
9:37 pm

Reason # 11 – Because Jay Bookman cries like a little girl, such a sissy boy – the Dummycrats are such whiners.

Did you notice?

January 20th, 2010
9:51 pm

Did anyone notice how Brown only said republican once in his speech? Did anyone notice the difference in Tea Party action in this race compared to the NY-23? Did anyboy notice that when a Dem wins an off year election it means nothing but when the Reps do the Dems are now in trouble?

Church of the Latter Day Dude

January 20th, 2010
10:39 pm

The candidate who acts the most un-dude always loses.

Aw, screw it, let’s go bowling, man.

The dude abides.

Mrs. Norris

January 21st, 2010
1:58 am

Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !

Alice

January 21st, 2010
2:00 am

UGAaccountant, you make far too much sense. That will never do here in Wonderland.

georgiadawg70

January 21st, 2010
6:51 am

One reported summed it up best, This isn’t Ted Kennedy’s Mass. anymore, it is now Jack Kennedy’s Mass. Big difference.

Tim Ryles, Ph.D.

January 21st, 2010
9:14 am

Bob:

Not sure that psephology is your strong suit. By the way, according to the morning paper, the state is providing $4000 per employee per year over a five year period to a German plant to locate in southeast Georgia. Is that not socialism and a subject for your next column? A good reason for opposing Republicans socialist policies?

Jonathan

January 21st, 2010
10:04 am

Why is there no discussion on reducing the costs of healthcare, or for that matter any government program. Consider the health insurance companies for a moment. They decide where and how money is spent. is that what we want? did that principle make the USA great? No…. Instead look at the medical procedures that are outside of insurance. Lasik eye surgery, hair implants, breast implants, cosmetic dentistry…etc. The consumer pays for these without insurance. YET what has happened to these services, they got better and cheaper. Do you think a MRI would cost $1,250 if the market was free. Imagine how much a MRI would cost if we could shop and use our own money.

Until we apply the principles of CAPITALISM to everything, healthcare, government, social security we are doomed to lose and fall further behind.

Freedom to choose and spend your money is a dying concept. When we trade freedom for security we get neither.

How many americans are personally responsible today vs 50 years ago. With free healthcare will we take better or worse care of ourselves. consider an American at a restaurant. When he pays al a carte he eats responsibily, at a all you can eat buffet that same person is a pig. We are becoming pigs.

Wake up and be responsible for your own actions.

BS Aplenty

January 21st, 2010
10:09 am

Tim, as stated, your argument seems to make sense – but only from a liberal viewpoint. Here’s why. When the government grants a property tax forbearance to a company in hopes of it locating within it’s sovereign borders, that government has simply agreed not to take taxes from a business.

A business that will employ (not that Democrats give a damn about employment) hundreds of taxpaying citizens, and a business that will source some/much/all of its purchases with other local, taxpaying businesses. Businesses that employ hundreds, if not thousands, of other taxpaying citizens. There’s a multiplier effect.

I would suggest you read a bit more in the area of economic development. Small, rural communities use this type of incentive, one that will be paid back many times over, more so than metropolitan areas. Nevertheless, many governments use this process to attract new business and JOBS.

Not that you’d be interested in those.

BS Aplenty

January 21st, 2010
10:12 am

I think it ought to be a law that you have to take an introductory macro economics course before you graduate from high school. Mandatory.

Hard Right Hook

January 21st, 2010
11:13 am

Glenn

January 20th, 2010
11:53 am
As a former New Englander I can tell you that the main reason Brown won was because Coakley is an out of touch idiot.”

This brings about an interesting question. If Coakley was an “out of touch idiot,” why did the good people of Mass continue to foist the grand master of out-of-touch idiots, Sir Teddy the Magnificent, onto the public scene for 40 some years? It took that long to wake up?

Chris Broe

January 21st, 2010
11:19 am

(Eleven). The democrats went with a three-man rush.

scrappy

January 21st, 2010
11:46 am

Why does a Republican winning in Mass automatically mean it was Obama’s fault? Couldn’t it just be that the Democratic candidate was a total mess, moron, and all around failure – which I believe she was. This should be a proud day – that the voters voted for the best candidate and not just along party lines.

Hard Right Hook

January 21st, 2010
11:52 am

Maybe it took that long to sober up. Just a thought.

Rufus

January 21st, 2010
1:50 pm

I have to agree with Herman Cain on this one. It wasn’t so much a vote for the Republicans and a vote against the Democrats as it was a “kick all of the bums out” statement. Brown just happened to run as a Republican, but his message was the one people want to hear….those 535 seats are OURS!

Hard Right Hook

January 21st, 2010
1:57 pm

Herman Cain is a smart man.

Those 535 seats are ours, but we must step up and take responsibility for them. Starting today!

ugaaccountant

January 21st, 2010
2:25 pm

BS Aplenty

January 21st, 2010
10:12 am
I think it ought to be a law that you have to take an introductory macro economics course before you graduate from high school. Mandatory.

That course was required at my public high school in Georgia. I’m not going to imply the content was rigourous, but it was taught.

sam

January 21st, 2010
2:44 pm

10 reasons why Bob Barr is no longer relevant (if ever)

1. small minded
2. lazy
3. short sighted
4 hypocrite
5.obama
6. bush
7 the mustache
8. lives in past
9. not very intelligent
10. morals and ideals are bendable to current trends

BOOGIES THE MAN FROM HARTWELL GA

January 21st, 2010
5:32 pm

Bob tells it like it is. Hope he keeps it up.
We need a change. A REAL CHANGE.

Glenn Beck

January 21st, 2010
7:04 pm

Hope to have Bob on the show Monday .
When we had him on the show last January he predicted a lot of we see today.
Glenn Beck.

Robert Littel

January 21st, 2010
8:30 pm

The Supreme Court today, surrendered the last vestiges of what was left of the Potemkin like facade that our government has become, by handing it over to the corporations. We are now all just pawns in the corporate state that has been declared into existence by the worst Supreme Court decision since Dred Scott. We are no longer citizens with citizen rights, we are merely consumers with consumer rights and the Constitution covers that, NOT AT ALL. Were are screwed and we know who did it, and why – GREED. AMERICA – KILLED BY THE CORPORATE OWNED COURT.

Hard Right Hook

January 21st, 2010
10:45 pm

So move back to your Socialist utopia, professor emeritus. Who’se making you stay here?

I’ll even pitch in bus fare.

Robert Littel

January 22nd, 2010
1:20 pm

Hard Right Hook – You will make a great Storm-Trooper in the CSA (Corporatist States of America). Your devotion and brainless support to any dogma or doctrine they espouse will serve them well.

Robert Littel

January 23rd, 2010
3:50 pm

Hard Right Hook – Your “America, Love It or Leave It” suggestion is the same type of suggestion made by Hitler to the Jews in the early 1930s Germany. I have no doubt whatever, that you are of like mentality.

Hard Right Hook

January 23rd, 2010
7:40 pm

Well, well. The fraud professor returns, only to compare me to the N-A-Z-I’s again. Your first inference that I was like Joeseph Goebbels wasn’t good enough, I suppose. Now I am more like Heinrich Himmler, I guess? Revolting. Simply juvenile and classless. Straight out of MoveOn.org.

I hoper the moderators read this; you are in fact a pure idealogue with nothing of substance to offer.

Hank Williams Jr.

January 24th, 2010
9:21 am

” Lord I’m stuck up here with Dixie on my Mind” ,” A Country Boy Can Survive ” ,
2 songs that if we are made to change our National Anthem should be nominated as replacements.

Robert Littel

January 24th, 2010
10:51 am

Hard Right Hook – It is difficult to find analogies that fit your case outside the parameters of that outrageous experiment in “Uber-Class” rule when our economic system is being transformed into the same type of Socialism for the rich and Free-Enterprise for everyone else, that so characterized the 1930s German attempt at corporatist rule. The recent corporatist owned Supreme Court ruling on campaign fund limitations, is little more than a masked introduction of what the Germans called “The Enabling Acts”, that are now in place to be utilized by the corporatist “Uber-Class” once they are able to re-seize The White House. It is ignorant mindless shills for the simple sloganism they use to generate the type of fear they are hoping to utilize to get the generally disinterested, distracted, uneducated and ignorant so called “Independent Voter” to go against their best interests and again put them into power, where the mechanisms for total control are already in place.

People like you, though clueless as to how you are being used, will do quite well, because you will be useful to the new regime. There is always room for truncheon wielding, jack-booted, Brown-shirted thugs, when the rule of law is so easily corrupted.

Hard Right Hook

January 24th, 2010
1:29 pm

So now I’m a Brown Shirt (SA, or Sturmabteilung)?

That’s the 3rd time you’ve referred to me as a N-A-Z-I.

Gettinig kind of old, isn’t?

Trundle on over to the Daily KOS; I’m sure they’ll have some new suggestions for your rants; you can even claim them as your own, because you haven’t had an independant & cogent thought of your own for 30 years.

Robert Littel

January 24th, 2010
2:51 pm

Hard Right Hook – Don’t blame me for your fascist tendencies and what I suspect make you the cyber-bully you seem to be. I suspect that half of you loud-mouthed Right-wing screamers, are actually just failed wusses who have latched onto the politics of doctrinaire hate in and effort to get a measure of machismo into your life, denied you in a pitiful childhood and adolescence of rejection by women.

Once you leave the key-board, I suspect many of you revert to sad little creatures that are bullied by the larger Neanderthals in your life and shamed because you cannot compete with the brighter people around you. What is getting old is your denial of your basic nature and the message of intolerant hate that leads one to associate you with the elements of history you so want us to believe are not represented by the posters undoubtedly hanging on the wall in the parental basement where you reside.

Hank Williams Jr.

January 26th, 2010
7:59 pm

???????????????????

cat

January 27th, 2010
11:37 am

Does anyone agree?

How to get my vote:

1. Secure our borders. Remove anyone here illegally.
2. Straight Sale’s Tax.
3. NO more “special spending” by gov.
4. One Idea per Bill.
5. If the Gov does not have the $, they do not get to spend the $.
6. If Banks, Car Companies, etc… Can’t make it – then they fail!
7. NO GOV healthcare
8. No GOV payoffs/bribes for senate votes
9. No shadowing the real issue of economy & security with:
a. abortion
b. gay marriage
c. racial profiling
d. global warming/cap & trade
e. affirmative action

If I could find a canidate who ran on this platform, he would get my vote.

Robert Littel

January 27th, 2010
6:06 pm

cat – There was one, Herbert Hoover. How’d that work out?

pudge

February 8th, 2010
5:00 pm

all i hear is far-left zealots slinging poo (teabagger this dumb hicks that) well let me slap you upside the head with some truth it wasnt the reps fault that this country is in the dirt its the progressive’s and it all started with Woodrow Wilson. and that great philosophy progressivism is going strong to day in both parties. Obama= progressive Mccain= progressive more than 80% of all elected officals are now progressive so if were going to get out of this mess start voting for the canidate’s that will lead us as our founding fathers wanted us to be lead. less goverment more freedom ——————
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