Coping with terrorist Brainiacs

Another would-be terrorist, this time  a young man from Nigeria, joins with a number of others who, since 911, have been apprehended either planning or carrying out actions they apparently hoped would result in deaths of innocent Americans.  Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab tried to start a fire or ignite explosive chemicals sewn into his underpants while in a coach seat on a Delta Airlines passenger jet en route from Amsterdam to Detroit.  All he succeeded in burning was his leg, his trousers, a blanket he was using to cover up his bush league attempt at terrorism, and some other nearby flammable materials.

This most recent member of the Terrorist Brainiac Hall of Fame joins earlier inductee Richard Reid, who tried to ignite a “shoe bomb” with a pack of matches on a flight to the United States back in late 2001.  Other infamous members of this growing fraternity of would-be terrorists, none of whom can claim membership in MENSA, include Iyman Faris, the idiot who planned to take down the Brooklyn Bridge with an acetylene torch in 2003; and Jose Padilla, who supposedly planned to personally construct a “dirty bomb” to wreck havoc on a US city back in 2002, but against whom the federal government had so little evidence it eventually was forced to drop that charge and settle for something far less serious.

A couple of things are obvious from this latest thwarted terrorist action.  First, these guys are not rocket scientists.  Trying to discreetly mix two volatile chemical together in your underwear in just the right amount to cause an explosion, all the while sitting in a cramped coach-class airline seat under a blanket so you can’t see what you’re doing, is not a process someone of even average intelligence would chose to undertake.  Yet young Mr. Abdulmutullab apparently went to Yemen to be trained in the ways of terrorists, and this Rube Goldberg attempt at exploding an airliner was all he got for his money.  If he hasn’t already demanded a refund of whatever he paid for this “training,” he might want to do so. 

Second, while these terrorist wannabes must be taken seriously because occasionally they get lucky (sometimes with truly tragic consequences such as on Septermber 11, 2001), we must do a far better job of focusing on the basics of the intelligence business, and do so consistently.  The “basics” start with gathering good, accurate intelligence information from various sources and methods.  The process should continue by funneling that intelligence through a network of analysis and evaluation , and then properly and timely disseminating it to those who need it to both set policy and act on it.  In the Abdulmutallab incident, our terrorism defensive system apparently stopped at the first step — gathering the intelligence.  It became clear shortly after Abdulmutallab’s arrest that his name already had been flagged as at least a potential terrorist to both US and British authorities.  The fact that his name never made it to the persons who could have stopped him from boarding the US-flagged aircraft in Amsterdam, reveals an obvious flaw, if not a series of flaws, in our database of known and suspected terrorists. 

It’s not as if we don’t have an awful lot of names in the database — in fact, at some one million names the  problem is that the list is too large and unwieldy.  The list needs to be refined, revised, and updated.  Furthermore — and this will be made easier once the first step of refining and updating the terrorist watch list database is accomplished — a simple, direct and secure system of making sure the names on the list are directed into the hands of the appropriate persons within and outside government, has to be put in place.  This includes proper intelligence-sharing with other governments with which we work to ensure commercial air travel safety.  We’ve been working at sharing foreign intelligence with our allies and other trustworthy governments since World War Two ended; but apparently we haven’t mastered it yet.  This is unforgiveable. 

If, as seems obvious. it is determined that mistakes were made in this instance, heads should roll (though they rarely do).  If tough and quick disciplinary steps are taken, this would do more to sharpen our capabilities to execute a sound terrorist intelligence database plan better and quicker than appropriating millions of new dollars on fancy equipment.

Finally, let’s stop the knee-jerk measures our government implements after each thwarted incident.  Nothing signals to other would-be terrorists that they are accomplishing at least part of their goal, than seeing everyone from the president on down run around like the sky is falling because someone, somewhere got something past our security system.  This hysteria is made worse when the government then mandates new restrictions on airline passengers – measures such as requiring passengers to have a flight attendant accompany them to the on-board lavatory.  So long as we focus on such silliness instead of improving our intelligence and information communications systems, we’ll continue to have to deal with the likes of Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab.

57 comments Add your comment

Name (required)

December 30th, 2009
7:23 am

I refuse to give up any more rights just to sit on a plane. Everybody is guilty until proven innocent and to prove innocence you must essentially submit to stripping naked, let some high school dropout TSA “agent” (who have sadly been given Cracker Jack badges) feel you up and then go through your luggage. And even after all that, yet another Allah-loving freak manages to cause havoc on a plane. So basically airport security doesn’t even work. Yet people give in and allow the government to control their every breath because they think they have to. WAKE UP, AMERICANS!

It’s time to get back to profiling. I’m sick of being considered a suspect.

Chris Broe

December 30th, 2009
7:40 am

It’s too easy for any terrorist to look exactly like a passenger boarding an aircraft, taking his seat, and then using the lavatory, returning to his seat, and then scratching his bum, (impolitely). Nobody can stop that. Find the bomb? Go ‘head. Try and find that bomb. It’s too easy to make a bomb look like part of the passenger or his luggage.

The truth about terrorism is that it can not be stopped. It’s too easy to observe a set of procedures and identify the security windows. Hell, Clint Eastwood escaped from Alcatraz didn’t he?

Try working backwards. Take newborn Islamist babies and let them play with models of the new Boeing. See how long it takes for the newborns to pour glue all over the model, stuff a cherry bomb in it and light the fuse. Every American child has accomplished this gag by age 11.

The puzzle of terrorism is unsolvable. Socio-theological mores prevent any real scrutiny against passengers. If there is any good to come out of the holocaust, perhaps the way the Nazis coralled their train passengers and herded them into barracks complete with delousing showers of the naked bodies in one big room under the close observation of the guard dogs would be that one good thing.

That would make it totally impossible to secret a bomb on an airplane. (and end civilization).

That is because we are human beings endowed with certain inalienable rights, and our good conscience wont allow any real security. It would take a revolution in thought, a transformation in who and what we are, to achieve the kind of safe air travel that would eliminate any possible terrorism.

There could be a last fail-safe appliance. Keep the present system in place, and then have another check in the plane itself. Maybe a bomb material sniff machine built into the seats. Unlike the breathalizer, the passengers would have to stick the tube where the sun dont shine, of course, and that brings us back to the end of civilization as we know it, (especially during spring break).

Maybe a crotch-dog on every plane. Maybe a rainman guy who is a savant at detecting evil. Maybe a star trek tricorder.

The plane itself is the problem. They don’t build them like they used to. The B17 probably would have withstood the underwear bomb if it had detonated. In fact, the B17 woulda speet on it!

Voters: Pay attention to how the right tries to politicize a generic threat. Their patriotism is inversely proportional to the political expediency they would glean out of terror. The GOP is like a gumball machine. Put two cents worths of news into it, and warm partisan air comes out the bottom, where the sun don’t shine.

vracer

December 30th, 2009
8:01 am

Dog sniffers, profiling and full body scanners would be a big help. Barring Araaabs would speed things up. Don’t like the procedures, take a train.

Corey

December 30th, 2009
8:04 am

” let some high school dropout TSA “agent” (who have sadly been given Cracker Jack badges) feel you up and then go through your luggage. And even after all that, yet another Allah-loving freak manages to cause havoc on a plane.”
Name(required), I did not know the U.S. had TSA agents in Amsterdam and Nigerian Airports. Think before you post.

Hard Right Hook

December 30th, 2009
8:06 am

Bob, they may not be rocket scientists, but this guy had a mechanical engineering degree and a cushy lifestyle. These barbarians are devoted, heart and soul, to their cuase. There have been too many close calls in recent months, largely due to their chieftans thinking we’ve become soft.

And we have.

And we can’t let it go on. We need to take some lessons from the Israeli’s. I don’t think they’ve had a plane taken in 40 years. And they could give a dead rats butt about PC.

william

December 30th, 2009
8:20 am

“It’s too easy for any terrorist to look exactly like a passenger boarding an aircraft, taking his seat, and then using the lavatory, returning to his seat, and then scratching his bum, (impolitely). ”

I disagree, there are not like any passenger boarding an aircraft. They are mostly from a section of the world with a particular religion and behavior. Until we start PROFILING these people and leave my grandmother alone we will continue to suffer these fanactics exploitations of our airlines.
Those who disagree with profiling should have to fly into these areas. The progressive liberals have targeted profiling to achieve some liberal agenda and left our citizens vulnerable to these attacks. Profiling will make the airlines more secure! It is just a fact.

Chris Broe

December 30th, 2009
8:59 am

People keep calling this terrorist incompetent. Maybe we should give him a break. Failed Underwear bomb? There are duds in any ordnance manufacturing output. (sorry). Grenades sometimes dont go off. Guns jam. Who hasn’t been disappointed by firecrackers?

How many people would have trouble keeping their powder dry if they kept it in their skivvies?

We were lucky, that’s all.

Blind elasticity.

Hard Right Hook

December 30th, 2009
9:18 am

Why depend on luck? Keep the jihadists off the planes and away from civilized Americans (and others).

Hard Right Hook

December 30th, 2009
9:29 am

“Name(required), I did not know the U.S. had TSA agents in Amsterdam and Nigerian Airports.”

It wouldn’t matter if there were American TSA “agents” at every airport in the world. If the information about these thugs is known and we don’t act on it, how far have wecome? The only thing we’d accomplish is slowing air travel to a crawl worldwide, inspecting bra straps and baby bottles.

deegee

December 30th, 2009
9:29 am

Seriously, what would be so bad about having bomb-sniffing dogs in the airport terminals doing routine checks while people are boarding?

Paul

December 30th, 2009
9:30 am

vracer, you are both a bigot and a fool. This guy isn’t even an Arab, so barring Arabs wouldn’t have done anything except penalize innocent people. Most Arabs are law-abiding people. Should we bar black people because this guy is black?

Billy Bob

December 30th, 2009
9:33 am

…and this Rube Goldberg attempt at exploding an airliner was all he got for his money. If he hasn’t already demanded a refund of whatever he paid for this “training,” he might want to do so.

Priceless.

deegee

December 30th, 2009
9:40 am

Something tells me that this Nigerian terrorista was so obnoxious to the Al Qaeda in Yemen that they purposely sent him on a plane with a crotch full of explosive powder just to get rid of him. I doubt that the Al Qaeda boss that sent him had any expectation that the Nigerian would make it past the first passenger screening. They are probably shaking their heads and saying, “Hell, if we knew it was that easy we would have gotten serious about it.”

Jack

December 30th, 2009
9:57 am

Chris – first, you’re an idiot. Clint Eastwood escaping from Alcatraz? IT WAS A MOVIE you moron.

Profiling should have stopped this whacko. His name is already on a watch list – he shows up alone, with no luggage, and pays cash. HELLO!!!!!!! (Notice you don’t see the words BLACK or MUSLIM or MUSLIM NAME in that profile – I know you were thinking it Chris, because you’re a closet racist).

As long as we’re more interested in political correctness and searching Grandmas in a wheelchair rather than saving lives, the problem will continue.

Hard Right Hook

December 30th, 2009
10:05 am

Paul

December 30th, 2009
9:30 am
“vracer, you are both a bigot and a fool. This guy isn’t even an Arab, so barring Arabs wouldn’t have done anything except penalize innocent people. Most Arabs are law-abiding people.”

1967 Egyptian/Israeli war
1972 Olympics
1972Ambassador to Sudan (American) assassinated
1973 Yom Kippur war
1976 Ambassador and one other kidnapped & found dead in Beirut
1979 American Hostages in Iran
1982 Lebanese President assasinated
1982 (?) Anwar Sadat assassination
1983 Marine Barracks bombing
1983 US Embassy in Beirut bombed
1985 TWA flight in Beirut
1985 Achille Lauro
1985 Berlin Discoteque bombing
1988 Pan Am flight 103
1993 First world trade center bombing
1996 Khobar Towers
1998 US Emabasy bombings in E. Africa
2001 September 11

and on & on.

Whats the common denominator here? Arabs/Muslims.

Yeah, call me a bigot.

Truth?

December 30th, 2009
11:41 am

HRH: You are correct. I appreciate the list. So you are for profiling? I would have to say I am too. I am going to be flying for vacaction in a few months and I dont want to be thinking about somebody brown next to me wanting to blow up the plane. Am I a racist or just full of the fear instilled in me by Bush/Cheney?

Chris Broe

December 30th, 2009
11:47 am

The Israeli Security Guards profile without constraints and they’ve kept their airlines terror free for over a generation, unless you count the Iranian missiles pointed at their tarmacs or the Syrian Tanks poised to blitzkreig their runways, or the Egyptian Artillery targeting their hangars, or the Palestinian Suicide Bombers….etc.

This is 2009 not 2002 Mr Ridge

December 30th, 2009
12:07 pm

Why is Ok for Tom Ridge to say back in 2002 that the conviction of the shoe bomber was a win for US. But now in 2009 this underwear terrorist does not a trial like the shoe bomber?

What am I missing. Why is it different now?

DAVID

December 30th, 2009
12:25 pm

BOB….Watch TV’s {24}….& witness the reluctance of FBI & CIA operatives/Clerks to cooperate with other Agencies……..CAREERs are far, far more important to bureaucrats…than protecting AMERICANs…& doing their job….THIS MINDSET WILL NOT CHANGE….

DAVID

December 30th, 2009
12:27 pm

BOB….Politcal Correcness will destroy AMERICA

DAVID

December 30th, 2009
12:28 pm

BOB…….We have INCOMPETENCE……..from TOP to bottom now

OK lets think

December 30th, 2009
12:29 pm

PC will destroy what is left to destroy after the economy collapsed under the Shrub.

Get your time line in order.

Tray

December 30th, 2009
12:49 pm

I’m sorry, but profiling needs to begin. All you leftist freaks need to realize that the world isn’t ‘fair’ so stop trying to make it that way!

Let’s see….hmmm…90+% of terrorist attacks against the US were not whites, they were not Christians…hmmm…

i think if we start profiling, we start winning. The terrorists win everytime we make any changes in secutiry, so technially they’ve been winning a long time. The point of terrorism is not to kill, but to incite terror. So, even this ‘failed’ attempt was a success, because Americans are getting scared to fly again.

Oh, let me blame all of this on Bush, too. No, i think Barack’s been in office long enough to start pointing the finger at himself. HE’s the PRESIDENT. If a department failed, so did he.

Current grade:F-

Craze

December 30th, 2009
12:50 pm

We’ve had our share of non-Arab terrorists; anyone remember Timothy McVeigh? Profiling on the basis of race or religion will not help.

Tray

December 30th, 2009
12:56 pm

You are wrong Craze…i bet you can name about only 10 whites compared to my hundresd of arabics/muslims…and you know i’m right!

Tray

December 30th, 2009
12:57 pm

oh, go ahead and google it…so you can find a response besides agreeing with fact…

OK lets think

December 30th, 2009
1:18 pm

Tray: You are right Obama cant blame Bush for this one. So can we also say 9/11 was Bush’s fault? Did he not also get an F-? Did you feel that way at the time about Bush or just Obama?

Thanks.

Tray

December 30th, 2009
1:23 pm

Uh, DUH!!! Of course BUSH AND U.S. INTEL FAILED YOU IDIOT!! I’m not as biased as you think, I’m truthful, even where it HURTS! BUSH was and is a moron, but his replcement is far, far worse…when you don’t even love the country you are in charge of, ther is always an issue.

OK lets think

December 30th, 2009
1:40 pm

Tray: Please stop with the name calling. I have not called you one name. Please, it just makes adult conversation difficult.

I was asking the questions to see if we could agree on something and we did. KUDOS!

I am assuming you are saying Obama does not care about his country. I can say the same thing for Bush. What in your opinion has Obama done to show us that he does not love his country?

Tray

December 30th, 2009
1:55 pm

Uh, blamed us for causing everything, maybe. everything is the U.S.’s fault, perhaps. Focing me to pay for everyone else’s healthcare when i already pay for everyone’s free handouts but get none because i actually work. At least Bush didn’t run the country into failure like Obama’s (not yet passed) policies will. It will be a sad day for minorites a few years from now when the first black president goes down in history as the worst president. When the country crumbled under his watch…it’s coming, and even the DEMS know it, which is why thy’ve been giving each other sweetheart deals behind closed doors in the ‘most open administration ever’…horse poo!

OK lets think

December 30th, 2009
2:05 pm

Man Tray what world are you living in. The economy crashed in the fall of 2008. Bush was president. His policy of giving tax cuts to the rich, pre-emptive wars without first figuring out a way to pay for it. That is what bankrupted our country. What Obama is doing to trying to put it back together. Things have gotten better since he has been in office. Unlike with Bush things were getting worse from 2004 on. The jobs were being lost left and right under Bush. Its still happening now. The dow is up, way up. Home sales are trending up and not down.

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT AND STOP LYING ON BLOGS.

Tray

December 30th, 2009
2:19 pm

Bush WAS president…who ran Congress?? Was it Dems or republicans who forced the banks to loan to people who couldn’t afford it…let me refresh your memory.

Tax cuts to the rich…? Well, i’m not rich, but i know Bush increased the child tax credit, and Obama is NOT resigning that…so?

Bush worse from 2004 on…when did Dems win back Congress?? 2004! The DOW is up…yay, unemployment is up, too! We spent 700 Billion dollars, and what do we have to show for it??? More government-that’s it. Get my facts straight…Hunny-get yours right. Dems in congress during Bush’s worst years…hell, even the Dems now are pressuring banks to start lending again.

Why aren’t banks lending…maybe because hardly anyone has decent credit anymore! I wouldn’t give someone money who couldn’t pay me back…why should they. Oh yeah, to be ‘FAIR’-the dems slogan. LIFE AIN’T FAIR BABY, LEARN IT NOW!

Hard Right Hook

December 30th, 2009
2:23 pm

Truth?

December 30th, 2009
11:41 am
HRH: You are correct. I appreciate the list. So you are for profiling? I would have to say I am too. I am going to be flying for vacaction in a few months and I dont want to be thinking about somebody brown next to me wanting to blow up the plane. Am I a racist or just full of the fear instilled in me by Bush/Cheney?

You are not a racist, nor am I. Bush/Cheney had nothing to do with it. Look at the list and see that all the events (save 9/11) took place many years before GWB ever thought about running for Prez.

Profiling, I think, will be a very effective answer; the Israeli’s are doing something right, as I don’t think they’ve had a plane taken since the late 60’s.

Have you ever heard the expression “we’re all tarred by the same brush?” It’s not our fault that some Arabs are going to be inconvenienced because of a small goup of jihadists.

Let ‘em ride camels.

OK lets think

December 30th, 2009
2:24 pm

Another factless post by Tray. Dems won back Congress in 2006. Google it. We are comparing apples to apples with presidents. Now you have taken it to the Congress. Which is it dude.

I can take it way back to Reagan. He is the patron saint of conservatives and reps. Guess what he had a dem congress and a dem speaker of the house. Does he get full credit for a job well done. Based on your last post the Congress at the time gets some credit too.

Please stop. This is too easy.

Chris Broe

December 30th, 2009
2:26 pm

Notice that Bob Barr made another chicken little reference. “The sky is falling”. Funny, funny stuff. Lovin Bob about now.

BTW: What if Germany had to deal with a Nazi Jihad? Hitler woulda never made it past the Beer Hall Putsch: “So THIS is your master plan to take over der verlde, Adolph? Sew explosives into Leiderhosen? Du bist ein dummkopf!”

Happy New Year!

Hard Right Hook

December 30th, 2009
2:29 pm

Craze

December 30th, 2009
12:50 pm
We’ve had our share of non-Arab terrorists; anyone remember Timothy McVeigh? Profiling on the basis of race or religion will not help.

How many planes did McVeigh hijack or blow up?

Name another one, other than McVeigh’s co-hort.

Tray

December 30th, 2009
2:31 pm

yes yes yes, and Reagan got blacks hooked on crack and it’s his fault, too-right? I’ve heard the ’stories’, keep telling them, makes you seem intelligent.

Oh, 2006…whoa….my bad! Still people blame Bush! 3-7 more years from now when the worst president in history leaves office, it will still be Bush’s fault. I will admit was by far Bush was not the best, but Obama?? REALLY?? Like i said, he is going to ruin it for minorities. Oh, let’s sit down and have a beer and talk about how my black bretheren was wrong, but I can’t admit it, so the white cop is wrong.

Yeah yeah yeah…worse than Bush…by far. Just give him a few more years, you should either be able to see it, or you’ve been blinded by some intangible assest. Obama will make Bush look like a Saint in 4 years (i don’t give him 8 and anyone who does hasn’t picked up a newspaper in a long time…)

I know German

December 30th, 2009
2:32 pm

Hey Chris: Wie Gehts?

Tray

December 30th, 2009
2:33 pm

Obama reminds me of Mel Brooks in Spaceballs:

“I can’t make decisions, I’m the PRESIDENT!”

I know German

December 30th, 2009
2:35 pm

Tray, opinion opinion opinion. I can find millions of people that feel the same way I do about the president. You on the other hand can find a few thousand. Not enough to win at the polls. I dont have to do this back and forth with you. We won! We are going to do things our way. Just like Bush did when he was in office. See at the polls in 2016 after Obama has had his 8 years on office.

Hard Right Hook

December 30th, 2009
2:39 pm

“What if Germany had to deal with a Nazi Jihad?”

A Nazi jihad is much easier to spot. It’s called a blitzkrieg. The soldiers are out in the open and are wearing uniforms, carrying weapons openly and representing a state (Deutchland). AH convinced the Germans that this is the right thing to do AND THEY BELIEVED HIM, TOO!!

Osama vs Adolf; one was overt, one covert.

Tray

December 30th, 2009
2:42 pm

I know you are going to ‘do things your way’…even if it means destroying the country that provides you the freedom to ‘do things your way’.

Anyone else just hear a 5 year old?? I heard one say “we won, time to take our marbles and leave!” LOL

You’re right, you can find a million…and when Obama was elected, i could find a thousand. **Please refer to previous post talking about people who haven’t picked up a newspaper lately**

THE MOST UNPOPULAR PRESIDENT AT THE END OF YEAR ONE. Need i say more?

(Oh, and that’s in ‘in history’)

It would be easy to find millions that don’t like him now…maybe not 10 months ago, but now…way too easy. Obama is failing in every job assigned to him as president…even SNL knows it for Christ’s sake, and they are raving morons.

Rational Person

December 30th, 2009
3:10 pm

Hard Right Hook, you probably are a bigot.

Yes, these misdeeds were committed by Arabs and other Muslims, but the machine-gunning of Arabs at a mosque by Baruch Goldstein was committed by a Jew. The Holocaust was mostly performed by German Christians. The napalming of Vietnamese villages was conducted by American Christians. The Mountain Meadow massacre was carried out by Mormons and Paiutes. Going further back, the Bartholomew’s Day Massacre was perpetrated by Catholics. Timothy McVeigh has a Scots-Irish name. The Unabomber was Polish-American. Eric Rudolph was not an Arab. God knows what you’d call the Branch Davidians. And so on.

Get the pattern? Religious fanatics are all potentially dangerous, not just the Muslim ones.

Maybe airlines could develop a fanaticism meter.

Hard Right Hook

December 30th, 2009
3:47 pm

Rational Person

December 30th, 2009
3:10 pm
Hard Right Hook, you probably are a bigot.

So, using you progression of your events and conclusion, The Pope is the most dangerous man in the world?

Bigot? Perhaps. Ardent believer in profiling? You bet.

Hard Right Hook

December 30th, 2009
4:45 pm

Rational Person
December 30th, 2009
3:10 PM
Hard Right Hook, you are probably a bigot

RP, my initial reaction is to question why you attempt to rationalize fanatic Muslim events by comparing them to other, arguably, religious events in history. Muslim fanatics are not only openly proud of what they’ve done, but will proudly tell you they’re planning more. Are you surprised?
1.I will not now or ever condone Baruch Goldstein, a Physician, for killing and wounding so many Muslims in a Mosque. However, one of my key points is to look for trends, not incidents. The JDL is a militant group, but we don’t see them blowing up embassies, hotels, or marine barracks on a quarterly basis.
2.Hitler was largely opposed to any religion, with the exception of the cult-like indoctrination into the SS. Pope Pius XI signed a Concordat with AH in 1933 to protect Priests. Alas, many were still thrown in concentration camps and killed. German fanatics following orders caused the holocaust, (anti-Semites, agreed) but not as a religious order.
3.The napalming of Vietnamese was caused by Lyndon Johnson, who issued orders to the military. Also, as Muslims jihadists now, many VC and NVA did not wear uniforms; many of the alleged civilians were of questionable status. Religiously inspired? Hardly.
4.The Mountain Meadows massacre is interesting; it took place in 1857 (not many airliners to blow up then, huh?) and was a combined effort of Mormons and Paiute Indians to kill the Fancher-Baker wagon train full of Americans from Arkansas. Pale face and Indians team up to kill more pale face. Religiously inspired?
5.As for Catholics, the whole mess started in 1095 when Pope Urban II called all the Frank Knights together for the Church Council meeting in Clermont France. Purpose? To go & take back the Holy Land held by the Seljuk Turks. This is how the whole dad gum thing started.
6.Timothy McVeigh was as American as I am, as was Ted K. Both were psychotics; McVeigh wanted revenge for what he saw as the incineration of 83 innocent Branch Davidians by the Federal Government. That is debatable.
7.Ted K was just mad at the world. No religious connection here.
8.You’ll get no defense of Eric Rudolph from me. Draw & quarter the cretin.

Fade From Light To Dark

December 30th, 2009
8:24 pm

How would profilig work? Richard Reid(the shoe bomber)was not from the Middle East, did not have an Islamic name, was not brown nor black. The underwear bomber was not from the Middle East, did not look like an Arab or someone from that part of the world. Well, geniuses, how would profiling work? The young, white dude(who is currently serving time in an American prison) from California who was rounded up with other radicals in Afghanistan certainly did not look like your stereotypical middle eastern terrorist and certainly did not have a middle eastern accent. I’m still waiting, profiling geniuses. I thought so.

Jonathan White

December 31st, 2009
7:48 am

This unfortunate incident does show a lack in security. What needs to be addressed isn’t the screening, passengers can’t be put through much more. The person should have never ever been allowed that close to the plane. I over heard there is a High list of 5,000 and a Middle cautious list of 14,000. Oh too bad that can’t be kept up with. Most large universities keep up with 2x that number of students and faculty. If the paper pushers would do something and sit there look at the list and maybe you do need to give more time if you are going to fly internationally; you have to make arrangements with the various state departments to get cleared. It came down to not checking a list.
Someone very close to situations like this, a flight attendant said this to me “Remember in all of the employees in commercial aviation, (passenger flight), everyone except the flight attendants and pilots get to go home at night. If the list checker is having a bad day, he still gets to be with his family when 5pm or whatever rolls around. Don’t forget who else is working. Thanks to all of those who jumped in on this incident and kept it to a minimum. We have to be active in our own safety and security.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

December 31st, 2009
10:08 am

Well, most of you couldn’t pour pee out of a boot with the directions marked on the heel. Talking about making sure a Terrist’s name is on a list.

What’s the guy’s name? Abdulmutallab. I bet you 19 typists out of 20 wouldn’t type it correct if they tried. So how’s somebody going to use a list to find out if the guy is on it? You got a million names on a list and you’re going to look up Abdulmutallab? Chances are there’s about 100,000 names that begin with Abdul. You would need a good three hours just to go thru half of them.

So the answer is real simple, dummies. Just ban everybody with a strange name. That way, you don’t need to strip 90 year old grannies buck-nekkid and check them over.

Have a good day everybody. Glad to be of help.

shaggy

December 31st, 2009
10:32 am

Do like the Romans and many other ancients did. Example:
Take his whole family, and anyone else connected to the terrorist, put them in stocks for public humiliation, and do some head chopping of our own…on network TV .

jconservative

December 31st, 2009
11:01 am

Amen to virtually every word you wrote.

Every time one of these incidents takes place we look like a bunch of keystone cops, all driven by a “terrified” populace who believe 37,000 deaths on the highway are OK but one death by a terrorist and the sky falling. We need to toughen up as a people.

Unless George W Bush lied, we are in a world wide war against Islamic terrorist. The battlefield is not “over there” but “everywhere”. And when you are in a war you take casualties. And, in a war against terrorism, there are no “civilians”. Everyone is a “soldier” and will risk becoming a casualty. There will be attacks on US soil, planes will go down, water systems will be poisoned and a portable nuclear device will explode. There will be a lot of people killed. That is what happens in a war.

The problem we have is that the American people want the war to be fought “over there” by “someone else”. If the terrorist cooperate fine, but do you really believe they will cooperate? And if the war is in your neighborhood, do you really think someone else will fight it?
No, you will take the hit.

Look, this latest incident proved our system of detection & prevention is still inadequate. But we must keep it our of the partisan political arena. We did not do that after 9/11, the shoe bomber and we are not doing it now.

As General Sherman said, “War is hell”.