The Census three-ring circus

The actual language in the Constitution of the United States regarding the census is short and sweet.  It’s located in Article I Section 2 of that magnificent document – an “actual enumeration shall be made .  .  .  every .  .  .  term of ten years.”  Every decade, the federal government is tasked with counting the number of people in the country.  Seems pretty simple; and especially considering the number of technological tools and the array of data bases available to government and businesses alike as we prepare for the 2010 “enumeration,” it would seem a fairly easy task to complete.

Not so.  The census has become big business.  In fact, it’s become a multi-billion dollar circus that gets more complex and expensive every time we undertake the task.  Problem is, every interest group out there, and every state, city, county, parish and other unit of government at every level, wants to skew the numbers in its favor in order to justify or qualify for more federal dollars.  This is leading to ever and more ludicrous schemes to find and count more and more people.

It’s reached the point at which we really ought to call it what it is – a television reality show in which contestants compete to “find” the largest number of “people” to fit into whatever category best suits their needs.  ACORN, of course, has mastered the drill; but they’re not the only ones by a long shot.  As reported in this Blog in September, the government has enlisted the PTA and school children to help in its efforts. 

The National Association of Latino Elected Officials, for example, is exploiting religion in an attempt to collect its “fair share” of people and dollars.  This particular group is distributing posters encouraging Latinos to register for the census, just as Joseph and Mary did as recounted in the Gospel.  Despite the controversy stirred up by invoking religion to promote a government-mandated census, the Leadership Council on Civil Rights reportedly is translating the “Mary and Joseph” posters into other languages, including Korean and Vietnamese. 

Next year’s census is expected to cost us taxpayers upwards of $15 billion, apart from the money non-government organizations will spend to encourage people to be counted.  However, for many organizations and government units, spending money now to reap a larger share of the hundreds of billions in taxpayer dollars that will be distributed over the following decade in federal programs and benefits, makes a lot of sense.

With so much federal largess at stake, we can only anticipate that the games people play in order to inflate the census count will grow ever more imaginative and costly.  Spin the wheel!  Pick a door!  Make a deal!  It’s Census Time!

67 comments Add your comment

Chris Broe

December 23rd, 2009
8:15 am

First (in the hearts of my countrymen).

If George Washington was a troll, (and an idiot), and counted first in the country’s first census.

Stan Kelley

December 23rd, 2009
8:36 am

How would you do it Bob? Go back a couple of hundred years and walk around to find them?

jconservative

December 23rd, 2009
8:50 am

Atleast we were able to get the White House out of the picture as de facto CEO 2010 of the Census. Rahm Emanuel will no longer be openly running the census. Mayne on the Q T…..

You take the small victories where & when you can.

And then there are those who see it as a communist plot and refuse to be counted.

Eric

December 23rd, 2009
8:59 am

Last year, we caught a census taker photographing our house, and so we ordered her off our property. Enough is enough!

Mike

December 23rd, 2009
9:05 am

Barber Shop Bob. Merry Christmas.

Alice Lillie

December 23rd, 2009
9:09 am

I don’t see it as a “Communist” plot, but I do see it as a way to collect personal information on individuals. In 1940 it was used to incarcerate Americans of Japanese ancestry. That is a rather extreme example, but it could be used to check incomes listed against IRS returns, to check young men listed against selective service registration, or even to see who is cohabitating with who.

The government swears it does not do this but if you believe them I know of a good deal on oceanfront property in Kansas.

The Census can be used for a number of things, none of them good. Because of the inaccuracy of the count due to the counting of foreigners, one thing it does *not* do is make representation in Congress and legislatures more accurate.

I have *zero* intentions of answering.

See my blog at http://www.alicelillieandher.blogspot.com

david wayne osedach

December 23rd, 2009
9:32 am

I have friends who are illegal immigrants who have no intention of participating.

Jon but not Jon Voight

December 23rd, 2009
9:43 am

Do you ever have anything positive to say?

Another Republican Einstein.

December 23rd, 2009
9:44 am

Alice, you need to go back under your rock and not surf the web anymore. (They can track you when you’re on line).

I have *zero* intentions of going to your blog.

joe matarotz

December 23rd, 2009
9:51 am

Don’t ask Bobolink for a solution. The only solution he ever had involved scotch and water.

Chris Broe

December 23rd, 2009
9:51 am

Saw “All about Steve” last night with me mum. Sandra Bullock must have directed herself in this because no other director alive would have allowed her character’s act in that movie to survive the dailies. Could be the worst movie ever, but it’s so bad, that it’s not interesting even as the worst movie ever which further places it into the worst movie ever category.

The. Worst. Movie. Ever.

Fix-It

December 23rd, 2009
10:06 am

They need to know how many illegal aliens they will be covering with our tax dollars for the great health care bill they are going to pass. Didn’t Obozo go on national television and say “this bill will NOT cover illegal aliens”. Just one more Obozo lie!

97degreeyogurt

December 23rd, 2009
10:08 am

Eric–your actions reek of a self proclaimed patriot. Next agenda on your revolutionary agenda should be to have your property records removed by your local government entity, thus enabling you to be truly “free”.

MrLiberty

December 23rd, 2009
10:21 am

The census form I receive will provide nothing more than the count of people at my address. All others should do the same and encourage everyone you know to do the same.

The important thing to note is that the census details are in Article 1 – the Legislative section of the constitution. It is only to be about counting numbers for “representation” (quote marks intended since we obviously are NOT represented by these jackasses).

Do your part. JUST get counted.

97degreeyogurt

December 23rd, 2009
10:25 am

Alice–since you won’t be providing any information to the census, I guess I will send them an e-mail for you letting them know your valuable demographic information–like how you are constantly battling the desire for bad food, or that you like blond men that are younger than you with a good energy level. (Info from your “blog”)

97degreeyogurt

December 23rd, 2009
10:30 am

Mr”liberty”–did you just get counted in the 2000 census? Or is this just a common side effect of xenophobia? Groupthink? Or being a “flagger”?

Glenn

December 23rd, 2009
10:41 am

We are going to force illegal aliens to purchase health insurance ? Cool .

Here we go!

December 23rd, 2009
10:52 am

For all those who say you will not be counted in the next census, GOOD FOR YOU! All of a sudden it is not your patriotic duty to live the Constitution. You only envoke the Constitution when you feel like President Obama is doing something opposite of your personal beliefs. People get a grib and fill out the form. By not filling it out you are helping the very same people you are pissed off at in the first place.

SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST SO STUPID!

stands for decibels

December 23rd, 2009
10:53 am

ACORN, of course, has mastered the drill

oy vey. You used to be better than this, Bob.

Rational Person

December 23rd, 2009
10:54 am

Bob has obviously never done any work in information science.

As the amount of information grow, the tools to keep track of it become more complicated and more expensive.

Back when libraries only had 10 or 12 books, they didn’t even have to keep track of the titles. They could just say, “You want the science book? The science book is over there.” Now it takes a lot of technology and staff time to put a book on the shelf and find it later.

The same problem exists when you have hundreds of millions of people, and they keep moving around, changing their names, going in and out of prison, going in and out of the armed services, etc. It is going to be complicated and expensive.

Bob also seems to imply that ACORN has something to do with TAKING the census. It never did. It was one of many organizations involved in PUBLICIZING the census.

Here we go!

December 23rd, 2009
10:59 am

Go job with the ACORN the sky is falling mess. Anything that is setup to help the poor or minorities in this country is somehow evil. How has doing community service been a punch line joke to the ultra Christian Conservatives in this nation. Talk about values or lack there of. Values only county when its helping someone that looks like you, believes what you believe. All others can go to HELL! Thats the GOP way.

neoCarlinist

December 23rd, 2009
11:10 am

Chris Broe, you (and mum) have obviously not seen “The Road”. by the end of that ponderous, lame adaptation of a decent book, I wanted to use the last bullet on myself.

Corey

December 23rd, 2009
11:15 am

I Report You Whine now calls him/herself Fix-It.

neoCarlinist

December 23rd, 2009
11:16 am

as far as the the true meaning of the Census (pork and “big brother”), tell me something I don’t know. this issue falls under the category of how governments piss on your back and tell you it’s raining. of course, Al Gore will tell you it’s raining because of climate change, but that’s another story. I will tell you governments, but their very nature need to piss on someone, so if you want to piss on the government, have at it. the government will win.

Another rational person

December 23rd, 2009
11:21 am

Okay Bob, what you didn’t mention is that Hispanics and other ethnic minorities have long been undercounted in the Census, and therefore unrepresented in the data used by millions of people across the US. Everyone from national consultanting firms to town managers use Census data to make decisions on every thing from economic development to transportation funding. It’s the common base of knowledge tapped by everyone who wants to know something about a particular location’s demographic and economic composition.

If there is some manipulation of Census data now, it doesn’t compare to the past, when entire Native American populations were excluded from the Census’ official counts. This lack of data was then used in our court system to prove that certain tribes had no land rights, because they could not prove a continued residency or use of that land (even know they were counted before and after, the missing data somehow “proved” this to be true). My point is that everyone has their agenda, from the smallest interest group to the US Government, and they’re all going to try and advance that agenda. However, it seems to me that the least of our worries include advocacy groups for the poor and for those without power trying to get their members counted.

Here we go!

December 23rd, 2009
11:28 am

ANOTHER RATIONAL PERSON: You are dead on. Your comments needed to said and hopefully read by anyone who reads this blog. You educated me on some things in relation to the census. KUDOS!

neoCarlinist

December 23rd, 2009
11:31 am

another rational person, do you really think the census exists to “count” people? why do you think some groups are over/under-represented? it’s like saying the NFL holds the Super Bowl every year to determine the best team in professional football. the gib-ment doesn’t care how many Native Americans or Latinos or African Americans or WASPs or Asians call the USA home. POLITICIANS who grovel for votes and the special interest groups that pimp one group or another in response in their attempts to court federal dollars only care about the demographic make-up of the USA as a means to an end (mo money). Bob isn’t always on target, but as I said, today’s blog isn’t exactly a “chicken little” call to arms. in fact, it’s a capitulation (and something of a hoiliday buzz-kill)

Fix-It

December 23rd, 2009
11:34 am

not true, i have had this moniker for quite some time..

Dave R.

December 23rd, 2009
11:35 am

Every 10 years (regardless of who is in the White House), this government gets only the number of people in my house. When asked to supply the race of those people, we simply check “Other” and write in “human”.

The government as no Constitutional right to any other information regarding my family.

Here we go!

December 23rd, 2009
11:38 am

Dave R: Have you always felt that way? When you filled out your census forms in the past is that the only info you provided then? The answer to both my quesitons is NO. All of a sudden you have a problem with the census. People like you are a disgrace to the country. Doing the least you can for your country, you sound like a true patriot.

Chris Broe

December 23rd, 2009
11:51 am

a moron by any other name…..

Dave R.

December 23rd, 2009
11:59 am

Here we go!, apparently, you have reading comprehension issues.

Note the first first words in the first sentence: “Every 10 years (regardless of who is in the White House)”.

For the verbally-challenged out there like you, that means that we have NEVER supplied any other information than what is Constitutionally-mandated to the Federal government. I have no problem with the original intent of the census, which was to properly proportion House seats according to population, but I do not and will not ever give information to the U.S. Government in order for them to decide how much Federal money to distribute, since they will not do it according to simple headcounts.

I don’t care what your uninformed opinion of me is, Here we go!, because I have lived a life more patriotic than you could possibly imagine by never taking a dime of government money that I did not earn in their employ, nor any government assistance offered when I could have succumbed to the temptation. No welfare, no unemployment assistance, nothing. I have also voluntarily served my country in the U.S. military, and my local county as an elected official (taking a 75% pay cut to do so). Can you say the same regarding “doing the least you can for your country”? I wouldn’t bet on it.

I have lived my life under the simple creed that I will not take your life, liberty or property through the use of force or fraud, and simply ask others to do the same. Can you say the same about your life?

Here we go!

December 23rd, 2009
12:08 pm

Dave R: You are right. I did have an uninformed opinion about you, hence the purpose of me asking you the questions. (DUH) You answered the questions pretty good. Most of it believable, some of what you said not so much.

But the same goes for you in your uninformed opinion of me. You dont know me and dont care about my beliefs. That is 100% fine with me. I could care less.

In the future you should be more forth coming with your blog posts so I wont confuse you with the so called patriots under Bush that now hate their country because we have someone that is the complete opposite of Bush in office.

Thank You.

Dave R.

December 23rd, 2009
12:17 pm

Here we go!, unlike you, I don’t think that anyone who supported Bush “hates” their country now that Hope & Change is in office (and before you jump on THAT bandwagon, I never voted for Bush and supported him on only one thing in his administration – his leadership following the attacks on 9/11).

I think they “hate” the sharp left direction this country has gone in just the past year, knowing that it is the wrong direction to go in the long run, and I think that some of them “hate” Hope & Change. I do not hate him, but neither do I respect him in any way, shape or form, as he is proving to be the single least capable human being ever elected to the office of President.

And after Bush, that is saying something.

Here we go!

December 23rd, 2009
12:27 pm

Wow Dave! I could not disagree with you more. How in the world can you not respect a man who won the POTUS on his own merits (not daddys) by the people (not the courts)? How in the world can you compare Obama in less than a year to all the horrible 8 years of Bush? You are not a rational thinker. I just dont get it. Please tell me how this country has taken a sharp turn to the left? We are still at war in Afg and Irag, the rich still are getting their huge tax breaks, there is no public option in the healthcare bill. I mean Dude help me out here. Where has this country gone left? Are you kidding me?

I can not even formulate thoughts of what to say to you based on the very last thing you said. How can anyone in the US say any president has been worse than Bush is beyond me. You sir are not living in reality.

Dave R.

December 23rd, 2009
12:48 pm

Please. Bush was a 2-term governor of the second largest state in the nation before becoming President, and a successful one at that. Hope & Change? A one-term senator two years removed from state senate seat in which he accomplished virtually noting of note in either body regarding legislation passed. Every independent recount following the court decision to block differing standards that Gore wanted shows that Bush won Florida in 2000.

Hope & Change has created more Federal debt in less than one year than Bush did in 8. We have a czar that determines compensation for private industries. We are about to have a health care reform bill that will nationalize about 1/6th of our economy (which, by the way, will probably be overturned as completely and totally un-Constitutional). And by the way, a bill that over 60% of the country doesn’t want. We have stimulus jobs bill that cost about $200,000 more than each job it saved or created. We have a cash for clunkers bill that pays $60,000 per car replaced and gets us about 1mpg average increase while helping out foreign auto makers. We have the President of the United States virtually hand-picking a CEO of a major car company. We have the government bailing out businesses that should have been allowed to fail. We prop up people and businesses that exhibited bad behaviors and reward them by NOT allowing them to fail. We have a President complaining to banks for not lending enough money to people when it is the very reason why we got into this mess in the first place. The guy is completely and totally clueless.

And the “rich” still getting tax breaks? They still pay over half the income taxes in this country while earning only 20% of the income. I think they are paying more than their fair share.

Bush was no bargain, but Hope & Change is worse than anything we’ve ever had before.

Here we go!

December 23rd, 2009
1:12 pm

Wait a minute Dave. You quote 60% dont want the healthcare bill you are right but 1/2 of those are people that dont want it because it has no public option or single payer. Those arent all people who opposed the bill on its face. So lets agree on that point. (I know you wont)

So how is the tax cuts for the rich working out for us? It isnt. They are paying their fair share. Please. The middle class are the ones paying their fair share and more. The middle class is the backbone of this country not the super rich and not the corporations. Without us little people to actually do the jobs given by the super rich there would be nothing. You quote that the rich make up 20% of our imcome is factually incorrect. (do you care no) The top 3% of earners in this nation make up over 80% of the income while at the same time hiding money overseas so those funds cant be taxed as well.

If the big corps dont want someone telling them how much they can get paid they should not accept the money from us little tax paying middle class people. I want them to have a cap on pay. As soon as they pay of their debt to us they can go back to same things they were doing before that worked so well. I agree with the pay czar 100%. Wall street will never regulate itself. That is why we had the melt down.

Guess what? Cash for clunkers worked for the time it was used. GM made profits. That was 1/2 the point of the program. The other 1/2 was to get better gas mileage vehicles on the road. You say we only got a change of 1%. Whether that is true or not, it will help the ecomony. Hey we could just leave things the way they are since everything is working out so good for eveyone in this nation. I mean its not like the gap from the rich and poor is widening. Its not like there arent any jobs around the corner for everyone.

Instead of blaming the people most effected by this economy created by
Bush you might want to be a little more compasionate. Who knows when you will be in the line to get govt assistance eventhough you say you never have. I dont believe you.

MrLiberty

December 23rd, 2009
1:13 pm

97degreeyogurt. My household was just counted as per the constitutional requirement. We provided nothing more than the count. Anything else is just enabling the unconstitutional and quite immoral behavior of the parasites that work to divide us along racial, ethnic, economic, gender, geographic and other lines. It is this force of division, fostered by the government and its census that is at the heart of the great divisions in this country. People, freely engaging in commerce and respecting each others property rights generally choose to live peacefully and to cooperate with each other. Nothing could be more repellent to government (whether democrat or republican, american or foreign). The sooner everyone wakes up to that reality, the sooner we can all begin to work against our common enemy.

Xenophobia or any other contrived label you want to come up with it has nothing to do with a life-long committment to freedom and liberty. Those two are repugnant to governmemt, and certainly the folks who embrace the census as their meal ticket to a decade of oppression and division.

Another rational person

December 23rd, 2009
1:23 pm

Oh well, I guess we won’t have a continued conversation about the Census. But at least Dave R. and Here We Go will never have to meet in real life. In any case, here’s a couple of other things you should both be aware of:

- The Decennial Census is not the only time the US Government surveys the county’s population for demographic and economic information. In fact, shorter surveys than the long-form Census are sent out every year to collect information from people living in the nations largest cities, counties and metropolitan areas. Each year they publish this information on the Census’ website as the American Community Survey. In fact, through some fancy statistical work that’s way over my head, they are going to start publishing information on most smaller cities and counties every year as well.

- The Census Bureau isn’t the only Federal agency collecting information from you (sorry Feds, I hope you don’t get a bunch of angry calls because of me!). The Bureau of Labor Statistics, the Bureau of Economic Analysis, the IRS, the EPA, the FBI, HUD and many many others track information from individuals and use it to create profiles of geographic areas (towns, cities, counties, regions and states).

- The government does not release data on individuals to the public (or at least they shouldn’t as it would be a gross violation of privacy and trust). In fact, a lot of economic data tracking agencies won’t release business data from smaller communities, because everyone would know who they’re talking about. So unless you’ve got some powerful and influential enemies who just HAVE to know how many bedrooms you have in your house, or how long your commute is, your Census data is probably well concealed.

- And lastly, wherever you happen to live, be it midtown Atlanta or unincorporated Henry County, you have a local government that would very much like to get some of that good ole fashion federal money to help pay for the things we all like; roads, water, a court system and policy (although I understand there’s some flexibility on that last one).

Everyone lives somewhere in this county, and that somewhere is going to be counted whether we like it or not.

MrLiberty

December 23rd, 2009
1:24 pm

97degreeyogurt – And yes, I think just like the group in this country that understands (just like the founders of this country) that politics and government are the greatest source of evil in the world. I do not pledge allegiance to a piece of material, nor to a country. I pledge allegiance to the priciples of freedom and individual liberty.

Dave R. is correct when he comments on how many people jump to conclusions about others and their beliefs. Just because you oppose the racial profiling and other intrusive questions that are being asked it is assumed that you must hate Obama and love Bush. Well news flash, I hate them both and their is more than good reason to do just that. And don’t bother to go back through a list of any of the presidents that I have lived under either, because none of them were worth a damn either. It is unfortunate that the principles of liberty and freedom are no longer taught in government schools (not that they ever were). They are obviously so foreign to people. Adherence to constitutional principles is now considered un-american, just because the news media and the president say so (or the last president for that matter). Franklin was right when he said “we have given you a republic…if you can keep it.” Sad that it went away.

Dave R.

December 23rd, 2009
1:29 pm

Here we go!, that 60 % of people who don’t want the current health care bill said it would be better to do NOTHING. They are right.

And whether you believe me or not about what government assistance I have or haven’t taken in my life, that is irrelevant. As are you regarding that belief.

And I am personally compassionate for those who have troubles not of their own making. I have NO compassion for those whose poor decisions got them into a mess they cannot get themselves out of. Nor is it the role of government to be “compassionate” – another failing of Bush – it is simply to do only that which is mandated by the U.S Constitution. Nothing more.

Dave R.

December 23rd, 2009
1:33 pm

And btw Here we go!, the figures I mentioned regarding taxes and income come from the IRS. Where do yours come from?

Corey

December 23rd, 2009
1:33 pm

Dave R, drastic times call for drastic measures. What would you have done if you took office in January with the financial sector reeling and an economy headed for the cliff not to mention state and local governments planning to layoff teachers and public safety personnel? People in positions(of both parties) who knew that the mistakes that were made that led to the Great Depression were determined to not let it happen again. The last time I checked my 401k is doing much better, and the Dow is up. Housing values(in Metro Atlanta) are on the rise again, and housing starts are up. The men and women who advise Mr. Obama are doing one heck of a job despite the distractions of the far right lunancy. The gushing blood(job losses)has slowed to a trickle. Twenty-five per cent of the stimulus went to tax cuts. What’s this you say about a Harvard educated, magna cum laude, president of the National Harvard Review, forty-seven year old, keen minded individual who showed the Somali pirates(early in his presidency) that we mean business, and ordered a missle strike against Al Queda in Yemen last week, not having a clue? Do you think that Mr. Bush could have ordered a missle strike against targets in Yemen without having the entire Arab world taking to the streets? Your team lost; get over it. We are all in this together whether you like it or not. When Mr. Reagan’s budget director resigned because he saw where the national debt was headed, Mr. Reagan retorted, “Deficits don’t matter.” As I recall unemployment was 10.8% at the end of Mr. Reagan’s first year in office. As for Mr. Obama getting elected to the highest office in the land without having been a two-term governor or whatever shows he did not remedial lessons.

Here we go!

December 23rd, 2009
1:34 pm

MrL: Please enlighten us on what needs to be done RIGHT NOW to correct what is wrong with America.

Do I think that a person hates Obama because they disagree with him? No I do not. What I do think is where were these same people the last 8 years when our country was being run in the ground? Not a peep, nothing. Why all of sudden its an issue. This nation was founded on electing our president. We have elected him to do what he said he would do during the campaign and I support him just like I supported Bush like a true American after 9/11 to take care of this country. Sadly he let me and the rest of the world down.

Here we go!

December 23rd, 2009
1:39 pm

COREY: BRAVO! BRAVO! You said all the things I could not articulate after reading the posts of a one Mr Dave R. Thank you!

Dave R: Please provide a link to your inaccurate stat. You still did not mention the fact that the people who oppose the bill arent 100% opposed to any reform. When they say to do nothing that because they have no clue what is in the bill or they flat out want a puclic option or nothing at all. If the Rep would stop lying to the weak minded people maybe we could have a realy debate about what is in the bill and who it will help.

Dave R.

December 23rd, 2009
1:46 pm

Corey, interesting question about what I would have done, since the bank bailout (which was the bigger issue at hand than any supposed economic stimulus was) had already been approved. With the banks stabilized there was actually little to do after that. Since the stimulus has been largely debunked as being a two-fold failure (too costly for the jobs actually created and or saved and temporary relief without actual economic benefit while increasing the long-term debt of this nation), the sort answer would have been – nothing.

Private industry will recover on their own, and will do so without increasing government debt. Always has.

And Reagan had a very different environment to deal with than Hope & Change. He had a Democrat Congress and a Cold War to win (which his spending did). To get that spending, he compromised with the Democrats on other issues they wanted and both parties increased the debt. But Hope & Change doesn’t have a Cold War to fight (where is the love from the left for getting rid of the single biggest threat to us?), so what is his excuse?

Job losses have NOT slowed to a trickle. As you will see when seasonal retail help is laid off in another month.

An the Republicans were not and are not “my team”. My team are fiscal conservatives and social liberals who believe in the U.S. Constitution as it was written for limited government. You aren’t ready to debate that particular brand of belief.

Here we go!

December 23rd, 2009
1:52 pm

DaveR picks certain things to remember but other things to forget. First of all give President Obama the same respect you give Reagan. His name is not Hope and Change. Thats Mr. President to you. Second, you are right Obama does not have a cold war to contend with. He only has 2 failed wars that will never be won setup by Shrub to go get the guys that wanted to get his daddy. And by the way Shrub didnt care how pay for it because that didnt matter.

Dave R.

December 23rd, 2009
1:53 pm

Here we go!, I am not your private librarian. Try google. It works for me.

And we already know who will be helped in this health care bill.

Louisiana. Nebraska, Connecticut. With all the deals that have been struck.

The rest of us? Pay extra taxes for 3-4 years before benefits kick in, watch our premiums increase exponentially when private insurance companies are forced to take on pre-existing conditions and now have to charge the rest of us to do so. Yeah, that’s how to bend the cost curve, Sen. Lieberman! No increased competition allowed. No tort reform needed. Let’s just let the most inefficient economic engine known to mankind – the Federal government – run 1/6th of our economy as well as they have run the other 1/3rd they already regulate to death. Great idea!

Dave R.

December 23rd, 2009
1:57 pm

Here we go!, I respect the office of the President, but only so far. And I am NOT required to respect the office holder if he or she doesn’t measure up to my high standards, so Hope & Change it is. I do NOT respect the American Idol President.

And if Hope & Change were really different than Bush, he wouldn’t be sending more troops into Afghanistan, he’d be bringing them home right now. Shows again how clueless he really is.

Here we go!

December 23rd, 2009
1:57 pm

Also Mr. DaveR do you think the constitution is living document that can be expanded on or all those principles are set in stone no amendments? There is no way the founders could have thought of everything when they wrote it. There were no cars, no internet, no atomic bomb, no airplanes. There is no way we as a modern society can go by the consitution without expanding things to met the needs of todays world. We are not in the stone age. We need to be able to keep up with China and Japan. They are mopping the floor with us while people like you could care less. Keep clinging to your guns and religion.