Welcome to Health-care Bizarro World

If anyone needed proof that this Administration, like its predecessor, operates in a Bizarro-like world in which reality is subverted, just consider President Obama’s recent statements to Charles Gibson of ABC News, in which he defended his health care proposal.  The president told Gibson that if his health care “reform” legislation is not passed quickly by the Congress, “the government will go bankrupt.”  Well, guess what, Mr. President – our country already is over $12 trillion in debt, and the estimated cost of your health care legislation far exceeds another trillion dollars! 

Issuing repeated dire warnings that the “sky will fall” if desired action is not taken, looses its impact when the dire consequences one predicts will happen, have already happened.

By the way, the president also predicted that health insurance “premiums will go up” if the legislation he and his Democtratic Party colleagues are pushing in the Conress isn’t passed.  Is that supposed to be breaking news?  Don’t insurance premiums go up every year now?  And isn’t a primary reason for such increases the high cost of government-run medical programs like Medicare and Medicaid; and the tremendous costs incurred by doctors and hospitals in complying with existing government mandates?

These folks truly do live in a world of their own.  Welcome to Bizarro World.

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joe shmoe

December 18th, 2009
7:00 am

Right on brother, tell the truth since our politicians cant seem to find the truth even when its in emails and letters sent to them by concerned tax payers.

Bob

December 18th, 2009
7:24 am

Didn’t Obama sign another jobs bill ? If stimulus worked like Obo/Biden said, why dump another half a Billion into it.

Angry White Guy

December 18th, 2009
7:24 am

Spot on Mr. Barr, I am so fed with everything…I am a small business owner, who not hire employees if this debacle passes, why would I? Right now, I pay 173.00 a month for health insurance for myself, and am very happy wiht it..What will my premiums jump to? Thousands a year, for what? I agree, there is a break with reality, and it is a medical condition called psychosis…What are they thinking….

Stuart

December 18th, 2009
7:42 am

It’s time for us to shut up. We have and will only have a sick care system, a system that cares not about our health but about revenue. Why are we so afraid to tell the truth? When are we going to accept the fact that we live and eat like slobs and that we are responsible for our own health. We can, but will never stop eating crap and suppressing symptoms, so waiting for a miricle cure or for big goverment to save humanity is plain stupid-wake up!!!!!!

Skip

December 18th, 2009
7:58 am

Bob, you still on that Gov. supplied $270 a month health care plan? Mind if the rest of us get the same as you?

Nobody reads long posts

December 18th, 2009
8:27 am

The Chicago thugs need the four-years of up-front money to spend on their friends, but it doesn’t have anything to do with health care, just money. If Obama is so freaking concerned about us, then he can send $50 to his brother–the one living in the cardboard shack–for his birthday, but I doubt that he has any idea WHEN his brother’s birthday is.

Peadawg

December 18th, 2009
8:33 am

“Mind if the rest of us get the same as you?”

No, not at all! I just don’t want to pay for it. I work hard for my money and I’m struggling just like everyone else…why take on ANOTHER person’s bills?

A True Patriot

December 18th, 2009
8:35 am

The Evil Twins, Reid and Pelosi are pawns for BO’s plan to take America down the road to Socialism and to force his Muslim Faith and law on us all. The health care plan is one of the tricks he is using to bankrupt America to make it easier to accomplish. Remember, folks…..2010…..the whole house is up for re-election. Lets get rid of all these scumbags who vote for ObamaCare and Bailouts that don’t work once and for all and return America to the people…..right now, it seems we don’t have a say…..our elected officials are doing what they want to do, screw the people. Thank you, Bob Barr, a Great American, for continuing to bring us these updates.

theboogins

December 18th, 2009
9:26 am

Hmm, seems I recall that one of the big problems that pushed GM and Chrysler over the edge was the cost of health care. Hmm.

And please tell me how covering pre-existing conditions and stupid behavior (smoking,) will actually reduce the costs?

BJ

jopar

December 18th, 2009
9:30 am

The healthcare debate, as if you could have a debate when one side sticks their fingers in their ears and screams in order to not hear, has deteriorated to the point that I think President Obama should pledge to veto any bill that comes out of this polluted congress.He should then go to the American people and admit that no one can accomplish that which he received a mandate to do in the election.Their are too many (all the repubs and some dems) bought and paid for shills of corporate money.
He should then ask for an affirmation of his mandate in all the coming elections.If the people want sane healthcare, kick out the obstructionists.The message would sink in, there is no corporate money when you can’t get elected.

apex

December 18th, 2009
9:32 am

I love this country. Both sets of grandparents came to this country and worked as migrant farmworkers, never took a dime of government money (too proud to steal from others they said). my parents worked hard to provide and we regularly ran out of food at the end of the month (oh, i love powdered milk). i left home at 18, joined the service, paid for school on the GI Bill, worked, saved money, went to grad school, paid for that. now that I am 41, i just, just bought myself my first car that was less than 10 years old. my wife and i and our three kids are looking at moving into a house with five bedrooms. i am finally paying off my student loans.

but, i make too much according to the government and now i get to subsidize those that “had it rougher than me and do not have the opportunities that i have”. how laughable is that!! i am a latino minority, grew up in much worse conditions than the poor, and because now I am a rich guy (I do not make that much with student loan payments, but oh well), i get to pay for health care for those that have it worse.

again, what a great country we live in!!

neoCarlinist

December 18th, 2009
9:36 am

Stuart’s on target. My premiums won’t “go up” because I don’t pay premiums. I excercise, eat right and don’t skydive. And guess what, I’m still gonna die, and regardlesss of my life choices, I could and will likely get sick or injured. I’ll worry about that when it happens. ALL insurance is “organized crime” (racketeering). American’s will spend a trillion dollars for the illusion of “healthcare” but they won’t stop eating junk food. And to the “True Patriot”; Obama is not a Socialist, or a Muslim… he’s a stone cold politician who simply wants more power for the government. He doesn’t want to “re-distribute” wealth from rich to poor. He wants to re-distribute from private sector to the gub-ment. Please stop the name-calling and finger-pointing. When we spend time trying to hang lables on politicians, we act just as they hope. While we’re “debating” they’re robbing us blind.

apex

December 18th, 2009
9:38 am

oh wait, but what about those that have no medical insurance because they cannot afford it, lost their job, etc? if you think that this is what this bill is about, think again. the CBO has estimated that this bill, when fully in force, will still leave about 12 million people uninsured. pretty much everyone i know of did not have that big of problem providing some support to those that need it. but, pelosi, reed and everyone else in the “let me get some of that obama money handout” party took that and stretched it into some kind of perverse view that they know how to revamp healthcare. this is the same group of people (dems and repubs) that put us in this economic crisis to begin with. and now they are going to solve healthcare.

A democrat is someone that asks others to do for them what they can do for themselves. I republican is someone that asks others to get out of their way.

jopar

December 18th, 2009
9:40 am

To apex: Come on, man.Yours is a success story and you’re too bowed up over paying your taxes (which are no greater than any other in your income range) to enjoy it. I admire all that you have accomplished, don’t let a few bucks rob you of the satisfaction you should feel.

apex

December 18th, 2009
9:46 am

jopar,

i want to help those that really need help. the unemployed, those truly struggling with bills, those that have had to declare bankruptcy because of medical stuff. that, i would gladly pay taxes for. but, when i see people at the unemployment and welfare lines with new sean jean jeans, cars newer than mine, talking on brand new cell phones, and really have no plan or desire to improve their lives at all. THAT is what I have a problem with.

apex

December 18th, 2009
9:53 am

jopar,

i do not call my story a success story, because it was expected. doing the best we could was expected. no excuses, no whining, no victimization. no one to blame but others. in my life, when my wife and i were considering going on welfare to help pay for food for my first son, i got down in the dumps and started to really get angry at “rich people” that had it all. i remember the beratment my father gave me, telling me how my grandfather worked two jobs for his entire life to give what little they could. he didnt blame anyone else, didnt look for any excuses, didnt blame the rich people. the responsibility was his and his alone. i grew up that day and thank my father for doing the right thing for me. he could have allowed me to feed my own self pity, but he gave me tough love.

america will never be what it once was and i wish that i could say otherwise, but has begun its journey downward. people do not want to sacrifice anymore. they do not want responsibility. they want instant gratification. they want, no, need others to make them feel good about themselves. they want the handouts.

it is a shame. the america that my grandfather came exists only in history books now.

apex

December 18th, 2009
9:58 am

and if anyone thinks that my story is atypical, you really should do some homework. a lot of people that now are considered rich by the government worked their way up from little means (i still laugh at being called rich, because i have not bought new clothes for myself in about a year and patch up my shoes with gorilla glue). i will not say my profession, but only one person in the “company” i work for is what i would call a trust fund baby or legacy rich. everyone else had parents that were middle middle or lower middle class.

apex

December 18th, 2009
10:04 am

now, does this mean that i do not feel for those struggling to get by, that work hard, that do a good job at thier job, pay their bills and are barely able to afford healthcare. no, i feel for them (my parents, who still work and brother are in that category). but, what is going on in congress is going to do nothing for them and will actually cost them more in taxes and premiums. what good is that?

BS Aplenty

December 18th, 2009
10:10 am

Bob, you’re a very charitable individual. You still listen to this guy.

Billy Bob

December 18th, 2009
10:23 am

apex,

The determination and persistence of your family are an inspiration. I would only take exception with you on one issue. The America of opportunity that your grandparents and my maternal grandparents immigrated to still very much exists.

Every day individuals create small businesses and other enterprises and begin anew the American opportunity dream. Every day. What makes America unique is that it gives vent to the human desire to be free. All that is creative and productive in the human spirit can flourish here.

So long as human spirit “yearns to be free” there will be an America.

apex

December 18th, 2009
10:26 am

billy bob,

i wish that were true, and again, whatever i have done pales in comparison to what my grandparents did.

the reason that is not the case anymore is that the incentive to prosper is gone. what congress is doing is further assurance of that.

back in the day, success of one desiring to make a better life for themself was not punished by those that choose not to.

Jeff

December 18th, 2009
10:30 am

OK, so I can afford health insurance, want health insurance, but cannot GET health insurance from ANYONE at ANY price due to a pre-existing condition. So I guess my only option with no reform would be to give up my 150K self-employed status and go back to being a cubicle slave somewhere for 1/3 of that – IF I could findit. Great system we have with no reform!!

Billy Bob

December 18th, 2009
10:36 am

You’re not going to get much of an argument from me on that point.

Mike

December 18th, 2009
10:49 am

If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. But if it IS broke, don’t try breaking it in a new and creative way.

Allow more competition. Ban the practices that are seen as unfair. But don’t try to create a new bureaucracy and spend billions of taxpayer money (well, to be fair, Chinese investors’ money) to create a whole brand new mess.

Fix-It

December 18th, 2009
11:02 am

If they want true reform how about HR3400? How come princess Pelosi will not take out of her in-box?

TheSkyHasFallen

December 18th, 2009
11:16 am

Quoting Chicken Little Barr: “Issuing repeated dire warnings that the “sky will fall” if desired action is not taken, looses its impact when the dire consequences one predicts will happen, have already happened.” So, Chicken Little, according to you the dire consequences have already happened. And yet the country survives. You are like the chicken that lays the egg, leaves it and proudly goes cackling across the barnyard leaving the egg for another chicken to attend. You wrote the book on the “sky will fall”. Pathetic.

Chris Broe

December 18th, 2009
11:16 am

Grading Barr: Fun piece. However, is this a bizarro world story that has chicken little in it? Or the chicken little story taking place in the bizarro world where everybody has an opposite weird guy in his place.

So chicken little would be, then, brave duck? What’s the opposite of chicken anyway? If Obama is chicken little in this dimension, then what is he in the Bizarro world? (Whoopi Goldberg?)

or did Barr inadvertently write that Obama is an effective leader in the real world, but in the Bizarro World, he’d be chicken little?

And wouldn’t the Bizarro health care system be a bunch of poorly-trained witchdoctors making poorly informed decisions about what course of treatment to take? (insert your own joke here).

I wonder what kind of writer Barr would be in the Bizarro world. (Kyle Wingnut?)

The preceding was a bit, with fictional characters, who exist only in the bizarro world, and any similarities to morons alive or dead is a coincidence.

C+ (But great fun. Thanx for the laffs)

Citizen of the World

December 18th, 2009
12:06 pm

The story of Jeff @ 10:30 is all too common in this country, and that’s what so many people don’t seem to understand. They think health care reform is only about giving free insurance to lazy bums (although there are millions of working poor who are by no means lazy, but they don’t get insurance through their jobs and can’t afford it on their own), but it’s just as much about making insurance available to those who have a pre-existing condition, or protecting people from having their policies cancelled, or making it more affordable in the long run by having more people in the system.

Those who, like me, support a public option just don’t want to be forced to buy health insurance from a for-profit provider who’s going to take our money and spend it on lavish executive compensation packages, or to pay off politicians and lobbyists to further ensure their power and profits. Too many middle men with a vested interest in the status quo.

It’s a messed up system we have. The profit motive and the health insurance business are inherently incompatible and if we actually want to have people covered, we’ve got to move away from that. Every other Westernized, industrialized country has done this, and it’s working better than what we’ve got. Maybe with our system, the fortunate (for now, knock wood and keep your fingers crossed should you be among them) get “the best health care in the world,” but what about the many millions who are shut out, like Jeff?

Jess

December 18th, 2009
12:10 pm

jopar,

Sorry to burst your bubble, but 60% to 70% of Americans are satisfied with their health care arrangement. This has been the problem for the Dems all along. Granted, these are the people who currently have health insurance, However almost every study shows their cost will rise under the house or senate bill.

If you are looking for a grass roots to groundswell movement, it ain’t gonna happen.

Mr_B

December 18th, 2009
12:28 pm

Has anyone considered that the real problem with health care in this country is its absolute cost in relation to our total economy. It’s not unusual to hear complaints such as “we can’t trust the government with 1/6th of the total economy,” but no one seems willing to ask why we have to devote so many of our resources to health care. We are debating whether or not we can afford to “insure” people against the inevitable, but the whole idea of insurance is that the insurer assume a relatively small risk. The business model of an insurance company is not about paying claims; its’ about collecting premiums. The problem with all the current proposals (even the ones that include the public option) is that they attempt to perserve a failed model (the profit motive) for delivering health care. As long as we are willing to treat health care as a commodity we will continue to have problems.

Jon but not Jon Voight

December 18th, 2009
12:38 pm

Yes Bob – let’s eliminate Medicare. Please join me at the Capitol steps to make the pronouncement to the American people. Please name your date and time and I will be there. If not, shut up.

ugf

December 18th, 2009
1:00 pm

the boogins – FREE healthcare for UNION RETIREES is what pushed gm and chysler over the edge

Jake

December 18th, 2009
1:05 pm

Remember we already have universal health care. The current legislation just creates 30 million or so new customers for the insurance companies and ambulance chasers.

Fix-It

December 18th, 2009
1:06 pm

Mr_B, healthcare IS a commodity, when has it been anything else?

Jimbo

December 18th, 2009
1:23 pm

Health care for welfare should be the plan, Just require drug testing to get your stipend and there you have it , millions saved daily!
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Hillbilly Deluxe

December 18th, 2009
2:15 pm

My prediction:

If the Health Care bill passes, health insurance premiums will go up. If the Health Care bill doesn’t pass, health insurance premiums will go up.

Mean Dean

December 18th, 2009
2:51 pm

Bob–I agree 100%. The good news is, when everyone from Howard Dean to Ron Paul is lambasting this thing, it looks like it is doomed to fail. (FYI–the word is “loses” not “looses.”)

Jess

December 18th, 2009
3:09 pm

Health care reform is dying, Copenhagan comes to a close in a blizzard with no progress made, the stimulus program didn’t stimulate, next years budjet is 12% above last year and 20% above two years ago in a near zero inflation economy.

Looks like a pretty good first year for our ruler.

deathportal

December 18th, 2009
3:09 pm

As a person with a pre-existing condition who can’t get affordable health insurance, (so I work at a job that doesn’t pay a whole lot, but does offer health insurance to employees) I understand the feelings of those who can’t buy health insurance. But, at the same time, just because we have an unfortunate condition, does NOT mean we are entitled to the money and fruits of the labor of others. What is the answer to the problem? I don’t know. But forcing someone or a group of someones whom I don’t know to fork over money to pay for my condition is not a fair option. I don’t know the family situations of those who would have to pay for my care. It’s easy to say, “let the rich pay for it,” but do you ever notice how the definition of rich is always subjective, and the defining criteria never includes the person calling for more taxes on the rich?

Henry Hazlitt taught us in Economics in One Lesson (and Hayek echoed this in the Road to Serfdom and the Fatal Conceit) that money appropriated by the government and used for a given purpose, rather than allowing the free market to work, means that the individual will have that much LESS money to spend elsewhere in the economy. You can’t just take money to use for something and not have it affect another area of the economy. So we either borrow more money, or we print more, which adds to the deficit and/or devalues our currency. None of these options will have any positive effect on health care in our country.

Jess

December 18th, 2009
3:31 pm

deathportal,

I can tell you who 70% of the “rich” are…. Small businesses, who are being looked to to pull us out of the recession. When you have an administration made up almost entirely of academics and public sector employees, you really don’t understand the psychology of what make the private sector work.

Robert

December 18th, 2009
7:04 pm

The sad truth is we do have a health care / insurance problem. The other sad truth is we the people are fighting with each other and thats just what the rich politicians want us to do. Not every politician is an iditot but the ones who have been there for years are power hungry.

Lets solve the problem and take care of our neighbors.

Let all Insurance companies sell in all 50 States.
Limit law suits to a reasonable amount.
Let individuals form co-ops and have Ins Companies bid for their policies.
Let the co-ops / individuals deduct insurance payments from thier taxes like companies can.
Let people design their own insrance policies the way they do their car insurance.

ALL this can be done tomorrow! But for some reason the current admin and the Democrats won’t allow any of these to take place. Please, someone tell me WHY? Please.

GaLiberal

December 18th, 2009
7:27 pm

More blah blah blah from some hack that has no clue or credibility. Keep up the good work, Bob.

Robert

December 18th, 2009
7:33 pm

Ga Liberal. What about some positive ideas on how to solve the issue at hand.

Sarah

December 18th, 2009
11:12 pm

Where on earth are we getting this $154 billion from? Is it just me? I’m trying to teach this stuff to my kids – (great resource: http://www.tictacdo.com/ttd/Observe-a-Bill-Passed-Through-the-United-States-Congress) and as they say… “from the mouths of babes…”

MrLiberty

December 19th, 2009
12:50 pm

Let’s not forget the imminent mushrooms clouds courtesy of Condi Rice, the lying mouthpiece of the last criminal administration.

Lying and fear are what pass for politics these days. Whether republican or democrat, the story is the same. “You must trust us, you must not think for yourselves, we know best, and you must support this or you are with the enemy.” Welcome to Amerika comrad.

You better start abandoning your support for all government pretty soon, or there will not be an america left to worry about.

Linda Corley

December 19th, 2009
8:37 pm

we once had bush, Johnny Cash and bob Hope, now we have Obama, no cash and no hope…

Maggie

December 20th, 2009
12:55 am

There are millions of people who don’t work, millions who do not take care of themselves and are adicted to one thing or another. Others make a living out of human trafficing, or multiple births as I see it to families who depend on welfare to raise the kids. Now brother (as Obama would have us feel) you owe it to your brothers and sisters to take care of them. Why, even though they don’t work, or are here illegally, or have children that you might have like to have had if the money was free to rais them, you owe it to them. Obama is not the working person’s President. He’s here to take your money, and thank you very much, and give it to people who really put him in office to ensure that your money goes a little further toward taking care of people who simply just don’t try or have hoards of kids or are drug addicts, or illerite and choose to stay that way. Sad but true. Democracy is mob rule according to Thomas Jefferson and the mob saw their chance to get it right with Obama and he is not dissapointing his supporters. Oh maybe the liberals who wanted out of war might be rashed but the gimmies in America are pleased as punch. Who ever heard of getting a tax rebate when you didn’t even pay taxes? Under Obama’s plan that is justified. I’m so glad that at 63 I lived in the 50, 60, 70’s before America became the hell hole it is becoming. Used to be such a lovely place to be. Now this ethnic group fights with that ethnic group for more gimmies, none can agree on religion, everyone hates whites and openly I might add which doesn’t seem to be a hate crime like with other groups. Anyway, good luck to you all. Happy 2010. I’m sure Obama is busy working out just how he can get another dollar or two. I hear his Aunt is here illegally and living off welfare. She may need some more money for the legal services we are providing to get to say here. Crazy country isn’t it?

observer

December 20th, 2009
9:22 am

Everyone knows insurance premiums will increase significantly under new health care legistlation. I guarantee that the Democrats will say that the amount of premium increase is less under their new legislation than it would have been had nothing been done. Remember “jobs saved” and “jobs created” spin to justify the money spent by the Democrats.

Will someone please ask a Democraftic politiican at what amount is healthcare too costly -2 trillion, 4 trillion – 6 trillion? How high can it go before they vote against this new spending.

fed up w/Yankee

December 20th, 2009
9:37 am

Skip, Bob does enjoy inexpensive health care! Spouse and employee coverage is almost $1,000 a month for he and his wife!

gil

December 20th, 2009
10:08 am

Merry Christmas!