Swine flu cover up?

Throughout this year, the end of which is fast approaching, dire warnings about the magnitude and severity of the swine flu/H1N1 virus swept repeatedly across the United States and much of the world.  The President’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology last summer  raised the specter that the H1N1 flu strain could infect nearly one half the population of the entire United States. 

In typical knee-jerk fashion, Congress rushed to spend billions of taxpayer dollars to combat the looming catastrophe — appropriating close to $8 billion to fight the H1N1 flu virus this season.  The federal government already has spent nearly $6.5 billion purchasing and distributing doses of swine flu/H1N1 vaccine.  Tens of millions of doses of the vaccine that was specially developed and rushed through production to meet the perceived threat, were shipped to facilities in all parts of the country — where many millions now sit unused and unwanted.  One news network reported recently that perhaps as many as 250 million doses of swine flu vaccine may wind up being thrown away by the end of the flu season early next year. 

However, if one attempts to find out exactly what is happening to all that vaccine, one meets a brick wall.  How many doses have actually been administered?  What is the cost per dose?  How many doses are actually stockpiled by the federal government and by the states?  Repeated calls to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) yielded no meaningful information in answer to queries such as these; Internet searches for specifics were similarly unproductive.  These questions are relevant for the taxpayers of this country who have been footing the bill for the government’s efforts to meet the threat that it defined, but which now appears not to have materialized.  Yet answers are as hard to come by as a Christmas creche on a town square.

The CDC, which earlier this year appeared eager to offer information and opinion highlighting the impending swine flu catastrophe, is now strangely silent when probed about what has happened to all that medicine it said was essential and which it claimed we absolutely had to buy.  An organization which prides itself on the ability to define, track and defend against all manner of diseases and other threats to Americans’ health, now is unable to answer basic questions about what has happened to billions of dollars worth of vaccines that it said were needed immediately if not sooner.

Could it be the Obama Administration doesn’t want the American public — the taxpayers who pay for Washington’s spendthrift ways — to know how much money has been wasted already in this effort, and how much will be wasted in the near future on unused and unwanted flu vaccine? 

This is the same government that is pressuring Congress to rush through legislation that would give it effective control of virtually the entire American health care system.  Accurate information on the degree to which it miscalculated and overreacted to one season’s flu problem, wouldn’t help that agenda right now, would it?

161 comments Add your comment

joe

December 11th, 2009
8:59 pm

Steve, older persons are thought to have some residual genetic immunity because of their closer proximity to the 1918 flu outbreak. On the contrary, homeless people are considered a high-risk group. The intention of your (local?) government was likely not to offend the elderly (as this is a key voting bloc), nor to be altruistic and help out some homeless people; rather their intention was to reduce costs by vaccinating those were most likely to get sick and walk into ERs, (uninsured of course) for treatment and run up costs for the local taxpayers.

Whatever

December 11th, 2009
10:37 pm

Excuuuuuuse me, but “Whatever” is a chick. And mostly I whined and moaned because my multiple attempts to post links to vaccine info were “awaiting moderation”, which I learned is due to listing too many links in one post.

But, hey, no matter what you can’t really argue with the content of those links…or my summary of what’s really the worry about H1N1….or how it’s State Health Dept that are really in charge of vaccine distribution, etc.

Sure, ignore all that…stick your head in the sand.

Whatever

December 11th, 2009
10:39 pm

Steve, I don’t believe you.

You’re either a liar or you just plain old misunderstand. There is no “too old” for vaccines. The very first people to get them are the very young and the very old and the rest of us are denied when supplies are short.

Another scenario is that the clinic, or whatever, your parents went to is engaging in unethical practices that can lead to revoking their license to distribute the vaccine and you should report them.

ZorkDude

December 12th, 2009
1:04 am

I will say that almost every statistic I read from newspapers about the # of deaths is completely inconsistent with the CDC web site information. Its Way Way Way overstated

Ed

December 12th, 2009
1:39 am

Isn’t it great to have hindsight. This is one of those no win situations with respect to the government’s actions. As another poster noted, although much is known about the flu, we can’t predict what will happen in the future with certainty. What WAS known at the time the vaccine planning began was of great concern. A new variant of the virus for which a large % of the population appeared to have no immunity, and which initially appeared to cause disproportionate deaths among relatively healthy individuals.

Now, it turns out to not be as bad as feared (so far), and all of you folks who were critics beforehand are congratulating yourselves for being right. If it had turned out the other way, and it was more virulent, we’d be hearing a different story. The fact that it isn’t as bad as worst-case scenarios doesn’t really vindicate the critics. The truth is, few authorities said it would definitely be a problem, what they said was it had all the characteristics that make us concerned that it could be. It may still yet mutate in an unexpected way.

As for you folks talking about conspiracies, big pharma, and so on…not much I say will convince you otherwise, but I have several friends who work at CDC and in public health. These are smart men and women who work hard, do research, and think about tough problems. They are trying their best with the information they have about the virus to make risk/benefit trade-offs. As I said at the start of this post, hindsight can make you feel brilliant. As for me, I’m much more comfortable knowing that in consideration of the idea that many 10,000s of thousands more people could have been dying, the individuals at the CDC (not “the government”) who also have kids, families, and pay taxes (and some are conservatives, some are liberals, and some are libertarians) — those folks made the best decisions they could with the information they have.

ZorkDude

December 12th, 2009
11:37 am

CDC should be disbanded. It is a completely useless agency. We did OK for hundreds of years without them.

Chris Broe

December 12th, 2009
12:29 pm

Barr’s piece today, which exposes the mistakes we are making distributing the swine flu vaccine will help us in the future when the inhalation form of PMS finally mutates into the general population. The inhalation form of PMS came into being when Al Queda did all that reckless research into bio-weapons. This airborne menace is the principle reason that the Sunni Insurgents in Iraq stopped supporting Al Queda and became our allies. They say it’s only a matter of time before the inhalation form of PMS mutates, so we’re gonna need vaccines, and we’re gonna need them fast.

Sometimes we forget the invaluable service that journalists like Bob Barr provide. Blog on, Mr. Barr, and godspeed.

CBR

December 12th, 2009
3:32 pm

Found this link, information while searching on ‘CDC vaccines conflict of interest:’

“Conflict of Interest and Vaccine Development

In August 1999, the Committee on Government Reform initiated an investigation into Federal vaccine policy.1 This investigation focused on possible conflicts of interest on the part of federal policy-makers. The Committee conducted an extensive review of financial disclosure forms and related documents, and interviewed key officials from the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

In the course of the investigation, the committee discovered that many individuals serving on two key advisory committees had financial ties to the pharmaceutical companies that manufacture vaccines. Often, these individuals were granted waivers to fully participate in the discussions that led to recommendations on vaccine licensing and adding vaccines to the Childhood Immunization Schedule.

Under federal law, members of advisory committees are required to disclose any financial conflicts of interest and recuse themselves from participating in decisions in which they have an interest. The Committee’s investigation determined that conflict of interest rules employed by the FDA and the CDC were weak, enforcement was lax, and committee members with substantial ties to pharmaceutical companies had been given waivers to participate in committee proceedings.

The Committee noted several specific problems, including:

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The CDC routinely granted waivers from conflict of interest rules to every member of its advisory committee.

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CDC advisory committee members who were not allowed to vote on certain recommendations due to financial conflicts of interest were allowed to actively participate in committee deliberations and advocate specific positions.

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The Chairman of the CDC’s advisory committee until recently owned 600 shares of stock in Merck, a pharmaceutical company with an active vaccine division.

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Members of the CDC’s advisory committee often left key details out of their financial disclosure statements, and were not required to provide the missing information by CDC ethics officials.

Regarding the FDA and CDC approval of the controversial rotavirus vaccine in 1998 and 1999:

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3 out of the 5 FDA advisory committee members who voted to approve the rotavirus vaccine in December 1997 had financial ties to the pharmaceutical companies that were developing different versions of the vaccine.

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4 out of the 8 CDC advisory committee members who voted to approve guidelines for the rotavirus vaccine in June 1998 had financial ties to pharmaceutical companies that were developing different versions of the vaccine.

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The rotavirus vaccine was pulled from the market one year after approval, after it was found to cause severe bowel obstructions.”

CBR

December 12th, 2009
3:39 pm

Some information on Tamiflu, from a mainstream pharmaceutical product information site, http://www.drugs.com:

You should not use Tamiflu if you are allergic to oseltamivir.

Before taking Tamiflu, tell your doctor if you have used a nasal flu vaccine (FluMist) within the past 2 weeks, or if you have:

kidney disease;
heart disease;
lung disease;
a condition causing swelling or disorder of the brain; or
any other serious disease or health problem.

Vaccines may be harmful to an unborn baby and generally should not be given to a pregnant woman.

Tamiflu side effects

Stop using Tamiflu and get emergency medical help if you have any of these signs of an allergic reaction: hives; difficulty breathing; swelling of your face, lips, tongue, or throat; a red and blistering or peeling skin rash. Some people using oseltamivir have had rare side effects of sudden confusion, delirium, hallucinations, unusual behavior, or self-injury. These symptoms have occurred most often in children. It is not known whether Tamiflu was the exact cause of these symptoms. However, anyone using this medicine should be watched closely for signs of confusion or unusual behavior. Call a doctor at once if you or the child using Tamiflu has any of these symptoms.

Less serious Tamiflu side effects may include:

nausea, vomiting, diarrhea;
dizziness, headache;
nosebleed;
eye redness or discomfort;
sleep problems (insomnia); or
cough or other respiratory symptoms.

This is not a complete list of side effects and others may occur. Call your doctor for medical advice about side effects. You may report vaccine side effects to the US Department of Health and Human Services at 1-800-822-7967.

CBR

December 12th, 2009
3:40 pm

Another one found while searching:

Government’s Claims Unjustified and Deliberately Misleading:

Gale and Null mention two distinguished health experts who have gone on the record to rebut government scare tactics.

“Dr.Anthony Morris, a distinguished virologist and former Chief Vaccine Officer at the U.S. Federal Drug Administration (FDA), states that “There is no evidence that any influenza vaccine thus far developed is effective in preventing or mitigating any attack of influenza” and that
“The producers of these vaccines know they are worthless, but they go on selling them anyway.”And in November 2007, the UK newspaper The Scotsman, made public warnings by the inventor of the “flu jab,” Dr. Graeme Laver. Dr. Laver was a major Australian scientist involved in the invention of a flu vaccine, in addition to playing a leading scientific role in the discovery of anti-flu drugs. He went on record as saying the vaccine he helped to create was ineffective and [that] natural infection with the flu was safer

http://www.foodconsumer.org/newsite/Non-food/Miscellaneous/what_the_inventor_of_the_flu_shot_now_thinks_of_the_vaccine_1711.html

CBR

December 12th, 2009
3:41 pm

Genetically engineered vaccines: ‘Inherently unpredictable and possibly dangerous’
http://www.twnside.org.sg/title/twr127c.htm

“In recent years, genetically engineered vaccine strategies have been rushed into common use within such fields as medicine, veterinary medicine and fish farming. Some scientists contend that such vaccines are totally innocuous. But a recent and major research report by Professor Terje Traavik reduces the ‘safe technology’ to sheer naive optimism, and warns in conclusion that ‘many live, genetically engineered vaccines are inherently unpredictable (and) possibly dangerous.’ Martin Jalleh highlights the compelling findings of the report – which make the arguments for genetically engineered vaccines look frail and move Traavik to call on the scientific community to go beyond the ‘Holy Grail’ of medicine.”

Why are so many are critical of genetically engineered crops, but many do not appear to be aware of problems folks say are associated with various genetically engineered components being used in vaccinations, pharmaceuticals?

CBR

December 12th, 2009
3:43 pm

Testimony by Gary Null at the New York State Assembly in October against the mandatory flu vaccination order for health care workers. This quote comes from the last minute of the last video clip:

‘And I might mention, I keep hearing everyone say the expert panel agreed that there was no connection, I heard it earlier in the day, between vaccines and autism. But I happened to actually go to the research and I found that that was absolutely not true. In fact, of the members of the panel of that vaccine oversight committee, thirteen members of the committee said that there was a connection, they had no vaccine or drug company affiliation, the small percentage that said that there was not a connection all had vaccine or drug company affiliations. And I am surprised that that information has not been made available. I also have all the studies on the sicknesses that children have developed when they have taken the flu vaccines, and all of these separate studies. They are all peer-reviewed.’

Part 1: Gary Null Speaking Out at the NYS Assembly Hearing, 10-13-2009:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3XlJB7J5-o&NR=1

Part 2: Gary Null Speaking Out at the NYS Assembly Hearing, 10-13-2009:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch5OuzB9L48&feature=related

Part 3: Gary Null Speaking Out at the NYS Assembly Hearing, 10-13-2009:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAgWO2yq1k8&feature=

CBR

December 12th, 2009
3:48 pm

Swine Flu Alert — Shocking Vaccine Miscarriage Horror Stories
Posted by: Dr. Mercola
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/11/28/Shocking-Swine-Flu-Vaccine-Miscarriage-Stories.aspx

CBR

December 12th, 2009
3:48 pm

Deadly Immunity: Robert F. Kennedy Jr. investigates the government cover-up of a mercury/autism scandal
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/7395411/deadly_immunity/

CBR

December 12th, 2009
4:01 pm

And in case you missed this, on more awful junk science in relation to the whole ‘bird flu’ scam, this is a good one.

GM chickens to beat bird flu
http://www.gmwatch.org/latest-listing/1-news-items/9989-gm-chickens-to-beat-bird-flu-31102005

Wait! Where is the article on how some are talking about putting swine flu vaccines in genetically engineered corn? Folks say so folks can just be so lucky and just get this in their corn flakes? Swine flu coming soon in your corn flakes? Huh? Many folks say if more folks better understood the history of drug scams and financial conflicts of interest corrupting health guidelines, and knew more about all of the misguided things going on in much biotech, they might be able to put this whole ’swine flu’ **** in perspective?

CBR

December 12th, 2009
4:06 pm

This one is funny as heck, if you have not seen this one already.

Eye on the Flu Shot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I88fDGPA7wM

CBR

December 12th, 2009
4:12 pm

Here is a link to this CBS study which was looking at actual swine flu tests, from folks who were thought to have had the swine flu, and which looks at the test results and shows that the majority of folks tested did not have the swine flu, or any kind of flu at all? According to this, in Georgia, only two percent of tests came back positive for swine flu, in this study? Two percent of suspected cases actually were confirmed as swine flu? Okay. So a lot of folks are more interested in all of these other things which can cause respiratory illness, like the majority of the time, maybe, folks say? This goes on to say something about so make sure to get your vaccine? Other folks looking at this say, well these numbers clearly do not indicate a pandemic, now testing is not being done anymore anyway, so numbers being put out by some about how many folks have been infected, have had this, and so on, don’t mean much, are based on assumptions, assumptions which are not backed up by these actual test results?

Swine Flu Cases Overestimated?
CBS News Exclusive: Study Of State Results Finds H1N1 Not As Prevalent As Feared
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/21/cbsnews_investigates/main5404829.shtml

Chris Broe

December 12th, 2009
4:14 pm

CNN just reported that another pair of Reeboks has stepped forward to claim that it’s been Tiger’s weekend sneaker. Nike had no comment.

CBR

December 12th, 2009
4:15 pm

This site has a lot of good information. Check out their news section.

Alliance for Human Research Protection
http://www.ahrp.org

CBR

December 12th, 2009
4:16 pm

And of course, GM Watch, http://www.gmwatch.org. Check out their news archive also.

CBR

December 12th, 2009
4:20 pm

Okay, posting this one again, with only one link, so it does not get held up. This is in three parts, the other clips should pop up after watching the first and second ones.

Testimony by Gary Null at the New York State Assembly in October against the mandatory flu vaccination order for health care workers. This quote comes from the last minute of the last video clip:

‘And I might mention, I keep hearing everyone say the expert panel agreed that there was no connection, I heard it earlier in the day, between vaccines and autism. But I happened to actually go to the research and I found that that was absolutely not true. In fact, of the members of the panel of that vaccine oversight committee, thirteen members of the committee said that there was a connection, they had no vaccine or drug company affiliation, the small percentage that said that there was not a connection all had vaccine or drug company affiliations. And I am surprised that that information has not been made available. I also have all the studies on the sicknesses that children have developed when they have taken the flu vaccines, and all of these separate studies. They are all peer-reviewed.’

Part 1: Gary Null Speaking Out at the NYS Assembly Hearing, 10-13-2009:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3XlJB7J5-o&NR=1

Did the New York Civil Liberties get involved in this as well? Folks say this mandate was a violation of civil liberties, that many folks do not want junk science being mandated?

CBR

December 12th, 2009
4:28 pm

And in case folks missed this one:

60 Minutes — 1976 Swine Flu Scam PART 1 of 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrTOXkyaFv4

CBR

December 12th, 2009
5:24 pm

Exporting Cures, Importing Misery
The sickening impacts of India’s pharmaceutical industry
http://www.utne.com/2005-03-01/ExportingCuresImportingMisery.aspx?page=2

CBR

December 12th, 2009
5:24 pm

Leonardo’s Choice
Genetic Technologies and Animals
Gigliotti, Carol (Ed.)
2009, XXVIII, 256 p., Hardcover
ISBN: 978-90-481-2478-7
http://www.springer.com/philosophy/ethics/book/978-90-481-2478-7

CBR

December 12th, 2009
5:32 pm

Catastrophic immune response may have caused drug trial horror
17 March 2006
Source: http://www.newscientist.com
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn8863-catastrophic-immune-response-may-have-caused-drug-trial-horror.html

“An investigation by New Scientist suggests the drug may have caused a super-immune response – sending white blood cells called T cells rampaging through the body destroying its own
tissues. Several experts contacted by New Scientist agree this is the most likely explanation for the terrible incident which put all six men in hospital intensive care in London, UK, with two in a critical condition. The victims, who were healthy, paid volunteers, are said to have suffered multiple organ failure.’

CBR

December 12th, 2009
5:36 pm

Harvard Medical Students Rebel Against Pharma-Ties
http://www.ahrp.org/cms/content/view/523/9/

Sara

December 12th, 2009
5:57 pm

I also wonder where you get your information. You indicate several things that appear absolutely, absurdly false. You give the impression that H1N1 is not as dangerous or widespread as it actually is, that somehow the “scare” is over and now we have all this vaccine that is just sitting around wasted. What total complete garbage!!! People are still dying from this virus – the vaccine seems to be effective, and I am grateful the government took drastic action to get it made and distributed. I am not in a high risk group, but I could still get the virus, and could potentially die from complications. I want that vaccine ASAP. Where are all these wasted doses? Here in Oregon, I still can’t get it! Sign me up!!! This column is one big pile of nutcase conspiracy irresponsible filth!!!

CBR

December 12th, 2009
6:59 pm

Don’t blame Obama — all of this flu vaccination, pandemic flu hype was already in the works long before he got into office, folks say? Bush allocated billions of dollars for flu related things, vaccinations, no? And Donald Rumsfeld is/was involved with one of the companies which holds a co-patent on Tamiflu? Democrats’ efforts in the past to further regulate the pharmaceutical industry was derailed by Republicans?

Ed

December 13th, 2009
3:03 am

CBR — you trust comments by Gary Null about something he supposedly heard? Apparently a guy who hosts a radio show and runs a web site for alternative medicine is more trustworthy than the vast mass of peer reviewed literature.

As far as the vaccine and autism connection — this is just a very tired non-controversy. For the longest time the anti-vaccine folks kept saying it was the mercury (a miniscule amount in some vaccines). Unfortunately for that hypothesis, mercury started being removed from most vaccines in the 1990s, so that now the vast majority of vaccines don’t have it. The exposure to mercury in vaccines has been plummeting for a decade. Now, you don’t have to be scientist to predict — if mercury in vaccines causes autism, and you start removing it, what should happen? That’s right — autism rates should drop. But guess what? They have not. There hasn’t even been a little blip in the rate. Nothing — it continues upward. Vaccines don’t cause autism. Get over it and find another conspiracy.

david wayne osedach

December 13th, 2009
9:01 am

Here in San Diego they still don’t have enough vaccine for school children. The general public will get vaccinated after that. In January, February?

CBR

December 13th, 2009
10:13 am

Research supports link in autism to mercury

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Tina Hesman
Published December 13, 2004
http://www.ewg.org/node/16914

Children with autism may process mercury differently than most children, leaving them susceptible to damage from preservatives in vaccines and other sources of the heavy metal, according to a controversial new report released Monday.

The report, by the independent Environmental Working Group, highlights the research of S. Jill James, a professor of biochemistry and pediatrics at the University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences. James conducted blood tests on 20 children with autism and compared them with blood samples taken from 33 children who do not have autism. She found lower levels of a mercury-detoxifying chemical, called glutathione, in the blood of autistic children.

The enzyme also helps rid the body of other heavy metals that may damage cells and organs.

“Given an equal load of environmental toxicants, these kids wouldn’t be able to detoxify it or excrete it as well as the average kid,” James said.

[More: http://www.ewg.org/node/16914

CBR

December 13th, 2009
10:17 am

You can listen to Gary Null on the radio, on PROGRESSIVE RADIO NETWORK.

http://www.garynull.com/

CBR

December 13th, 2009
10:18 am

Research supports link in autism to mercury

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Tina Hesman
Published December 13, 2004
http://www.ewg.org/node/16914

Children with autism may process mercury differently than most children, leaving them susceptible to damage from preservatives in vaccines and other sources of the heavy metal, according to a controversial new report released Monday.

The report, by the independent Environmental Working Group, highlights the research of S. Jill James, a professor of biochemistry and pediatrics at the University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences. James conducted blood tests on 20 children with autism and compared them with blood samples taken from 33 children who do not have autism. She found lower levels of a mercury-detoxifying chemical, called glutathione, in the blood of autistic children.

The enzyme also helps rid the body of other heavy metals that may damage cells and organs.

“Given an equal load of environmental toxicants, these kids wouldn’t be able to detoxify it or excrete it as well as the average kid,” James said

CBR

December 13th, 2009
10:22 am

This is a very good one, which starts out showing some of the backwards, hick junk science history of vaccines.

Vaccine Nation-Gary Null Part 1 of 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdF4AEYHRvY&feature=PlayList&p=35C06F3E017B09E9&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=29

CBR

December 13th, 2009
10:41 am

Another good one:

BIG PHARMA’S CRIME SPREE
http://www.ahrp.org/cms/content/view/653/109/

Fortunately, more and more smart folks are now talking about how we need much better drug safety analysis and drug approval standards? Folks say, first, the information doctors and the public gets about drug efficacy and safety is coming from the drug companies producing the drugs, and this is not acceptable; second, drug companies are not releasing all of their safety study data to the public, doctors, so how are folks supposed to exercise their right to informed consent? California tried to pass a bill a couple of years ago, which would have required that for any drug sold in the state of California *all* drug study safety data from drug companies must be made available to doctors and the public, no? This bill was defeated by drug industry interests? Now, fortunately, more and more folks are placing emphasis on this problem of not all of the study data being made public, and are pushing for better drug approval standards. Thank someone! Oh, from what I read, folks say there are many possible things in vaccinations which could cause a severe allergic reaction, and brain swelling, encephalitis, leading to brain damage? Not just mercury, folks say? And folks say folks are using genetically engineered components now in vaccines and folks really have no clue what these things might do in the body, over the long term, and so on? Just one big experiment? Well, with some of the genetically engineered crops, folks say these may even be causing our gut bacteria to mutate? May be causing micro-organisms in soil where these crops are grown to mutate? That once you muck with the DNA of a species, that species is basically on the way toward extinction? Once you muck with DNA, in such an offensive way, there is no putting it back together, and now such crops are contaminating other non-gmo crops, the contamination from open-air crops is also uncontainable?

CBR

December 13th, 2009
10:45 am

Yup, I have probably seen twenty different news reports from around the country, which state that there is low demand for the vaccine, some clinics got all set up and were expecting thousands of people and only a couple hundred showed up, that at times there were more volunteers there ready to deal with the big crowds that never appeared, and so on? Some polls showed that only 13% of folks in Germany wanted this swine flu vaccine crud, and only 17% in France wanted it? A majority of health care workers in the UK did not want it? Same thing in Hong Kong? Low demand reported in China also? And low demand reported in various places throughout the United States, as mentioned. And lots of reports on how swine flu is waning in the U.S., and how many vaccines will probably be thrown away, and how many seasonal flu vaccines are thrown away each year, also?

CBR

December 13th, 2009
10:56 am

And what about reports about how Poland refused the swine flu vaccine altogether? Is taht so? Said they were not going to give the drug companies legal immunity against adverse reactions to the vaccine, and would not be giving it to folks in Poland unless the drug companies responsible for these vaccines actually took responsibility for any harm coming from their products? That the drug companies should be accountable for this, and if not the drug companies, then maybe the EC should take responsibility for this? Is that so? If so, good for Poland! If these vaccines are so wonderful and so safe, why do these companies need legal immunity, why were they given such immunity in the U.S.? Lots of folks say, you don’t give otherwise healthy folks dangerous, ‘preventative,’ toxic crud, which has never actually been proven to work anyway, but which could kill or seriously injure them? And you certainly do not give toxic, dangerous drugs to those with compromised or unformed immune systems? That old folks, pregnant women, babies, those with many serious health problems, compromised immune systems, are the LAST people that should be given this? Folks say this whole swine flu thing started down in Mexico near a huge hog farm (thank you, NAFTA), where folks had been complaining about noxious FUMES from this hog farm, tons of animal waste, and were calling for an investigation into this, that folks were complaining of getting sick from noxious fumes from animal waste and NOT a flu? Noxious fumes from animal waste can cause ‘flu-like’ symptoms, and can even cause death at high enough levels, no? Why this would be called ‘flu-like’ symptoms and not ‘noxious gas from animal fumes contamination-like’ symptoms, I do not know? Folks die from noxious gases from manure lagoons, and so on, no?

CBR

December 13th, 2009
11:02 am

Folks say there is no real science behind statements being made now by some about how many folks have been infected may have been infected with this as they stopped asking folks for tests to confirm that folks actually had this a long time ago now, and that folks were told that they could diagnose this just based on symptoms, symptoms which could be indicative of many things? And folks say this is dangerous as folks with other serious problems are being misdiagnosed with swine flu, and their actual problem is going undiagnosed, in instances? There was one report of a woman who died from meningitis which went undiagnosed after she was told she had the swine flu? Folks want funds for comprehensive health care for people, not for one drug groups’ ’special’ drug campaign or another. Every individual is just that, an individual, with individual health problems, diets, environments, and so on, and blind, blanket diagnosis of disease, just based on symptoms which could represent a lot of different things, is not good science, is not good medical practice and is not good consumer protection?

CBR

December 13th, 2009
11:09 am

Folks say some prescription drugs can increase folks’ susceptibility to respiratory infection, chlorinated water can cause respiratory infection, swimming in or drinking contaminated water can also? Poor nutrition also, of course. What else? Pesticides, many other toxic chemicals, toxic cleaning supplies, even synthetic soaps? Lots of folks want more organic, small farming, more organic fruits and vegetables, less junk food all over the place, better nutrition in school food programs, more fresh fruit and vegetable juices, more natural, safe and effective, proven alternatives to many toxic prescription drugs, and not more drug industry scams and junk science?

Rational Person

December 13th, 2009
11:19 am

ZorkDude
December 12th, 2009
11:37 am

CDC should be disbanded. It is a completely useless agency. We did OK for hundreds of years without them.

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For hundreds of years, we had 50% infant mortality and an average lifespan of 40 years. Was that doing okay?

CBR

December 13th, 2009
11:19 am

And folks say watch out for alcohol-based hand sanitizers, that just two squirts of some of this stuff can kill a toddler? I would never use such stuff. I used all natural, vegetable based soaps, and find the fumes from synthetic soaps are disgusting enough to avoid that if at all possible? Ugh, you wash your hands with some of this stuff and you go around smelling like some toxic chemicals cuz you can not wash the stuff off of your hands. More emphasis on natural products, good nutrition to boost the immune system, and less on all of this animal-abusing, ancient hick, toxic chemical and gmo crud! Woohoo! More and more folks are finally starting to get it! And what about all of the environmental problems associated with all of these toxic chemicals used in so many drugs, more and more folks are now asking? Estrogenic chemicals (chemicals which mimic estrogen, pesticides, some prescription drugs, and so on) are ending up in our waterways and causing frogs and fish to be born with reproductive organ abnormalities, male fish are being born with ovaries? This is disgusting! Drinking water supplies are also being contaminated with all of this crud, and folks are now concerned about this also? Folks say, many areas of the chemical industry, including prescription drugs, need to be seriously cleaned up?

CBR

December 13th, 2009
11:51 am

And many folks want more wildlife, native plants, biodiversity, more good food and nature, and do not want a culture of demonizing nature and organics, organic and natural and nutritional approaches to care, and so on? Backyard and wild bird populations are too low, all of that ‘bird flu’ hysteria had some folks scared out of their minds, and killing ducks at ponds, not wanting birds in backyards, and so on? Folks say more folks need to plant native plants, do other things, to support backyard bird populations, which have plummeting in recent years? And something folks use in yards, I read, is killing birds? Some folks put little chlorine tabs in a bird bath? Huh? Don’t do that. I don’t know, but bird populations are not in good shape, birds are sensitive to pollution, have disrupted habitat, may not always have sources of good water, adequate nutrition, due to loss of native, plant biodiversity, and so on, folks say? And then folks were going nuts with fear, over this ‘bird flu’ hype and were killing them, as a result? Is that so? But folks say, folks may lure birds to back yards with bird feeders, but then unwittingly using some kind of toxic chemical in yards, which is not good for the birds? Okay.

CBR

December 13th, 2009
12:00 pm

Fumes from dairy cause neighbors to evacuate
by Stephanie Hemphill, Minnesota Public Radio
June 10, 2008
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/06/09/farm/

CBR

December 13th, 2009
12:23 pm

Some folks are way more concerned with what they say are massive air and water pollution, mostly from industry, transportation, and other problems such as hunger, malnutrition, actual diseases which are killing five, six hundred thousand(?) folks annually, such as heart disease, other serious problems such as problems related to the health of folks’ circulatory systems, internal organs, associated with poor nutrition, lack of physical activity, inadequate hydration, a combination of things, and so on? Things which are affecting the largest number of people, right now, not at some future, possible date in time, folks say? We have way too many folks living off of junk food, in substandard housing, without transportation or communication, without good nutrition, without adequate clean water, actual things that are happening now, problems for which there are actual solutions, solutions which have been actually proven, and do not have time to worry about illogical, junk- or substandard, commercial interest science-based on a hypothetical, folks say? Folks say billions are being spent on all of this flu, vaccination junk, while how much was allocated for, say, organic farming and related nutritional and medicinal programs? How much? A couple million? 20 million? 100 million? Not much in comparison, in any case, folks say?

CBR

December 13th, 2009
1:42 pm

Clinics is Canada are closing out their schedules early due to lack of demand for swine flu vaccine? There was a big recall of a batch of swine flu vaccines, in Canada, which was connected to an unusually high number of allergic reactions, severe allergic reactions? Some approx. 170,000 doses were recalled? Reports are coming out that some swine flu vaccine trials are showing links between a second dose given to children and fevers in children? Is that so? Many folks say, there are many safe, natural approaches to cold and flu, and they are really not interested in any of this flu vaccine junk, at all? Also, reports of folks also losing interest in seasonal flu vaccinations, not just swine flu vaccinations?

CBR

December 13th, 2009
3:45 pm

Many folks also want restrictions on direct-to-consumer drug advertising, and say direct-to-consumer drug advertising on tv is only allowed in the U.S. and New Zealand(?), and many countries do not allow this, have restrictions against this? Folks say folks should get information about their condition and treatments from doctors, not from ads, and that this often leads patients to push their doctors to give them something they saw on tv, which a doctor may not think is the best drug or approach, which a doctor might not recommend, prescribe otherwise? Drugs for which there might be a safe or safer alternative, folks say? Folks are also concerned about lack of restrictions for direct-to-consumer drug advertising on the internet, while some online companies are looking for ways to make more money off of more drug ads online? Also, folks want restrictions on pharmaceutical company data mining of doctor’s prescribing habits for marketing purposes, as folks say this correlates with newer, more costly, and often less effective drugs, approaches being prescribed, employed?

Many folks would listen to Gary Null, and other natural health care advocates who do not support all of these vaccinations, rather than many vaccination pushing folks. Do I agree with everything he says about everything? I have not read everything he has written, of course — the man has written seventy books, has really done his homework on this and many other subjects, from what I can tell? I will agree with many folks who do not think that vaccination is a good approach to health, is not based on good science or good consumer protection guidelines, has never been actually proven to work using rigorous standards of analysis, and can be toxic and seriously injurious. Gary Null has done tons of research on vaccinations. About Gary Null, from his site, http://www.garynull.com/GNabout.php?abtflg=0:

Excerpt:

America’s leading health & nutrition expert

Alternative medicine & natural healing advocate

Award-winning talk radio host, documentary filmmaker & investigative reporter

Time magazine called him “The New Mr. Natural.” My Generation magazine dubbed him one of the top health gurus in the United States. For over three decades, Gary Null has been one of the foremost advocates of alternative medicine and natural healing.

A multi award-winning journalist and New York Times best-selling author, Dr. Null has written over 70 books on nutrition, self-empowerment and public health issues, including his most recent, Power Aging. His syndicated public radio show, Natural Living with Gary Null, earned 21 Silver Microphone Awards and is the longest-running, continuously aired health program in America (27 years). Currently, The Gary Null Show can be heard on the Internet at http://www.PRNcomm.net from 12:00 noon to 1:00 pm ET. Null also broadcasts on Mondays, Tuesdays, and Wednesdays on WPFW (89.3 FM) from 3:00 pm to 4:00 pm EST in Washington D.C. In addition, he can be heard in Los Angeles on Something’s Happening with Roy of Hollywood on KPFK (90.7 FM) from 12:00 am to 5:30 am PST. Lastly, Dr. Null can be heard on Sunday evenings on the Health Radio Network at 8:00 pm EST, broadcast over a growing national network of radio stations.

The Gary Null Show is not a “chit-chat” show but, rather, an on-air health forum featuring knowledgeable guests and well-researched scientific information that is presented objectively and in layperson’s terms. The program’s combination of provocative interviews, controversial commentary, and listener call-ins motivate listeners to change their lives for the better.

Gary Null holds a Ph.D. in human nutrition and public health science. He has been a consistent voice on how to live a longer, more vital life through work that embraces the body, mind and spirit. Gary believes that much of what our society accepts as inevitable markers of aging are actually manifestations of a preventable disease process. Gary’s philosophy has influenced countless Americans to achieve a healthier, more fulfilling lifestyle. He is also the author of the New York Times bestsellers, Get Healthy Now! and The Encyclopedia of Natural Healing.

CBR

December 13th, 2009
3:53 pm

Many folks also want restrictions on direct-to-consumer drug advertising, and say direct-to-consumer drug advertising on tv is only allowed in the U.S. and New Zealand(?), and many countries do not allow this, have restrictions against this? Folks say folks should get information about their condition and treatments from doctors, not from ads, and that this often leads patients to push their doctors to give them something they saw on tv, which a doctor may not think is the best drug or approach, which a doctor might not recommend, prescribe otherwise? Drugs for which there might be a safe or safer alternative, folks say? Folks are also concerned about lack of restrictions for direct-to-consumer drug advertising on the internet, while some online companies are looking for ways to make more money off of more drug ads online? Also, folks want restrictions on pharmaceutical company data mining of doctor’s prescribing habits for marketing purposes, as folks say this correlates with newer, more costly, and often less effective drugs, approaches being prescribed, employed?

Many folks would listen to Gary Null, and other natural health care advocates who do not support all of these vaccinations, rather than many vaccination pushing folks. Do I agree with everything he says about everything? I have not read everything he has written, of course — the man has written seventy books, has really done his homework on this and many other subjects, from what I can tell? I will agree with many folks who do not think that vaccination is a good approach to health, is not based on good science or good consumer protection guidelines, has never been actually proven to work using rigorous standards of analysis, and can be toxic and seriously injurious. Gary Null has done tons of research on vaccinations.

About Gary Null, from his site: http://www.garynull.com/GNabout.php?abtflg=0

CBR

December 13th, 2009
3:57 pm

Many folks also want *more* restrictions on direct-to-consumer drug advertising, and say current laws regulating consumer prescription drug advertising are way too lax, in the U.S.? What was that study that came out a couple of years ago which looked at drug advertising material and said that a majority of claims being made in a sample of ads they reviewed were not based in actual evidence-based medicine, science?

CBR

December 13th, 2009
4:09 pm

What else? Folks say hundreds of thousands of folks are dying from properly taken, properly prescribed drugs, and this is not acceptable? Too many folks are being injured by prescription and over the counter medications, too many adults and kids are also being injured unnecessarily by toxic chemicals, cleaners, pesticides, and so on, kept around the house, folks say? Folks want more poison control, more information on many poisons, on household toxic chemical products and hazards, and want more information and access to safe alternatives to prescription and over the counter drugs, as well as for toxic household chemicals, folk say? Folks want the U.S. to adopt the Precautionary Principle in relation to a wide range of toxic chemicals, including pesticides, herbicides, *and* prescription drugs, and so on? You can do a search on ‘the precautionary principle’ for more information about this. While most of the emphasis under the Precautionary Principle has been placed on other chemicals, such as pesticides, many folks also want prescription, synthetic drugs to also fall under this? Many folks would also like the EPA to also have jurisdiction over toxic chemicals used in prescription drugs, vaccinations, and so on?

CBR

December 13th, 2009
4:15 pm

Folks say hundreds of thousands of folks are dying *annually* from properly taken, properly prescribed drugs, and this is not acceptable? Okay. That’s it. Hope folks will listen to more smart folks like Gary Null.