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		<title>By: Bernalillo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/bob-barr-blog/2009/11/20/really-dumb-legislation-cyberbullying-prevention/comment-page-1/#comment-7639</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernalillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty poor synopsis of the crime or legislation.  One wonders if there is a fiancial or ego based incentive for the sloppy information contained in this blog.  Fear pays a lot of bills, including Mr Barrs, it would seem.  I&#039;m not overly enthusiastic about the bill either but it&#039;s not due to igorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty poor synopsis of the crime or legislation.  One wonders if there is a fiancial or ego based incentive for the sloppy information contained in this blog.  Fear pays a lot of bills, including Mr Barrs, it would seem.  I&#8217;m not overly enthusiastic about the bill either but it&#8217;s not due to igorance.</p>
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		<title>By: SchwinnSwan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/bob-barr-blog/2009/11/20/really-dumb-legislation-cyberbullying-prevention/comment-page-1/#comment-7048</link>
		<dc:creator>SchwinnSwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Responding to EatonWhite&#039;s comment regarding the 1st amendment and laws against libel and slander:  Lori Drew - the individual deemed most responsible for the suicide of Megan Meier - was not criminally prosecuted for libel or defamation. After numerous prosecutors and legal theorists announced there was no criminal case against Drew, the public outrage and threats made by vigilantes convinced local prosecutors to look again and they wound up indicting Drew for a violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1030, commonly known as the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, which criminalizes unauthorized access to computer systems.

This federal crime is poorly written and overbroad, intended to criminalize hacking into computer systems for illegal purposes such as theft,  yet it captured Ms. Drew (and many others) in its net for the &quot;crime&quot; of setting up a MySpace account that did not use her real name, age, or gender.  This was only a crime because it violated MySpace&#039;s Terms of Service which nobody ever reads.  Indeed, a study done by the Electronic Frontier Foundation found that a *majority* of MySpace accounts countained false information. No doubt if a study were to be conducted of the numerous online dating services, it would surely be noted that many described themselves as taller, slimmer, or in some way more flattering than the Terms of Services required.

The fact that many people had access to and used the MySpace account set up by Ms. Drew and since the prosecution was never able to determine who sent the final email to Meier that allegedly caused her to commit suicide, only led to the addition of conspiracy charges against Ms. Drew. 

Why is the proposed Cyber Bullying Prevention act a threat to the 1st amendment?  Because we already have laws against stalking and harassment which include electronic communications.  H.R. 1966 criminalizes speech which is &quot;not nice&quot;.  If you don&#039;t defend freedom of speech for idiots, you&#039;re not defending freedom of speech for yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Responding to EatonWhite&#8217;s comment regarding the 1st amendment and laws against libel and slander:  Lori Drew &#8211; the individual deemed most responsible for the suicide of Megan Meier &#8211; was not criminally prosecuted for libel or defamation. After numerous prosecutors and legal theorists announced there was no criminal case against Drew, the public outrage and threats made by vigilantes convinced local prosecutors to look again and they wound up indicting Drew for a violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1030, commonly known as the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, which criminalizes unauthorized access to computer systems.</p>
<p>This federal crime is poorly written and overbroad, intended to criminalize hacking into computer systems for illegal purposes such as theft,  yet it captured Ms. Drew (and many others) in its net for the &#8220;crime&#8221; of setting up a MySpace account that did not use her real name, age, or gender.  This was only a crime because it violated MySpace&#8217;s Terms of Service which nobody ever reads.  Indeed, a study done by the Electronic Frontier Foundation found that a *majority* of MySpace accounts countained false information. No doubt if a study were to be conducted of the numerous online dating services, it would surely be noted that many described themselves as taller, slimmer, or in some way more flattering than the Terms of Services required.</p>
<p>The fact that many people had access to and used the MySpace account set up by Ms. Drew and since the prosecution was never able to determine who sent the final email to Meier that allegedly caused her to commit suicide, only led to the addition of conspiracy charges against Ms. Drew. </p>
<p>Why is the proposed Cyber Bullying Prevention act a threat to the 1st amendment?  Because we already have laws against stalking and harassment which include electronic communications.  H.R. 1966 criminalizes speech which is &#8220;not nice&#8221;.  If you don&#8217;t defend freedom of speech for idiots, you&#8217;re not defending freedom of speech for yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Bar Denounces Cyberbullying Criminalization — Technology Liberation Front</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/bob-barr-blog/2009/11/20/really-dumb-legislation-cyberbullying-prevention/comment-page-1/#comment-6993</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Bar Denounces Cyberbullying Criminalization — Technology Liberation Front</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Republican Georgia congressman turned ACLU activist and 2008 Libertarian Presidential candidate, has denounced Rep. Linda Sánchez&#8217;s (D-CA) “Megan Meier Cyber Bullying Prevention Act” (H.R. 1966) in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Republican Georgia congressman turned ACLU activist and 2008 Libertarian Presidential candidate, has denounced Rep. Linda Sánchez&#8217;s (D-CA) “Megan Meier Cyber Bullying Prevention Act” (H.R. 1966) in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Fairbanks</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/bob-barr-blog/2009/11/20/really-dumb-legislation-cyberbullying-prevention/comment-page-1/#comment-6991</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Fairbanks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of you folks are posting some incredibly immature comments.  Are you adults?  Name-calling is not only immature (yes, it&#039;s actually childish behavior), but doesn&#039;t work.  You think by name-calling you will change someone&#039;s opinion?

And, yes, Mr. Barr.  You make a good point.  I agree with you, but this internet bullying law pales in comparison to the Patriot Act, a law specifically designed to weaken the Bill of Rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of you folks are posting some incredibly immature comments.  Are you adults?  Name-calling is not only immature (yes, it&#8217;s actually childish behavior), but doesn&#8217;t work.  You think by name-calling you will change someone&#8217;s opinion?</p>
<p>And, yes, Mr. Barr.  You make a good point.  I agree with you, but this internet bullying law pales in comparison to the Patriot Act, a law specifically designed to weaken the Bill of Rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might want to re-check the spelling in your commentary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might want to re-check the spelling in your commentary.</p>
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		<title>By: The American People</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/bob-barr-blog/2009/11/20/really-dumb-legislation-cyberbullying-prevention/comment-page-1/#comment-6959</link>
		<dc:creator>The American People</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Write an article about the SEIU 1000 members beating up Ken Hamidi for trying to exercising his right for free speech at their public meeting. Write about the hyocrisy of the fact that this is barely been a news story. Write about how Obama has as he says  &quot;worked with this organization all of his life&quot; but they are keeping this very quiet. Write about the obvious fact that if a black man would have gone into a public meeting and had been beaten up by 4 white men it would be national news and their would be a public outcry on every news channel in this country. Thankyou.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Write an article about the SEIU 1000 members beating up Ken Hamidi for trying to exercising his right for free speech at their public meeting. Write about the hyocrisy of the fact that this is barely been a news story. Write about how Obama has as he says  &#8220;worked with this organization all of his life&#8221; but they are keeping this very quiet. Write about the obvious fact that if a black man would have gone into a public meeting and had been beaten up by 4 white men it would be national news and their would be a public outcry on every news channel in this country. Thankyou.</p>
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		<title>By: FEAR</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/bob-barr-blog/2009/11/20/really-dumb-legislation-cyberbullying-prevention/comment-page-1/#comment-6957</link>
		<dc:creator>FEAR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t believe I&#039;m agreeing with Bob Barr. But damn you are right about this one. Sanchez is just pandering!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t believe I&#8217;m agreeing with Bob Barr. But damn you are right about this one. Sanchez is just pandering!</p>
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		<title>By: EatonWhite</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/bob-barr-blog/2009/11/20/really-dumb-legislation-cyberbullying-prevention/comment-page-1/#comment-6956</link>
		<dc:creator>EatonWhite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are several problems with Mr. Barr&#039;s commentary.  One, he is obviously not familiar with the state-of-the-art in online life research.  Research across social science disciplines is clearly showing that, particularly for younger generations and more and more for older generations, virtual life is as real, and in some cases even more real, than real life.  You may mock this, as I&#039;m sure some of you will, but that doesn&#039;t change the validity of the research, nor does it change the fact that we aren&#039;t talking about introverted nerds living in their mother&#039;s basements, we&#039;re talking about an ever-increasing and significant portion of the US population.  If virtual life is accepted as a form of reality, then things that occur within that reality have personal repercussions.

Second, Mr. Barr is making a strawman argument, no doubt learned in law school as being both fallacious and effective, to attack this sort of legislation. He claims, and several posters have concurred, that it will penalize something as innocuous as an insulting e-mail or text message.  Clearly, this is not the intent of the law.  Mr. Barr may be correct in suggesting that the scope of the law is too broad, and there no doubt could be some tightening of it, but that is no reason to dismiss the proposed legislation entirely.

Thirdly, pronouncements about the violation of the 1st amendment are disingenuous and intellectually dishonest.  As we are all surely aware, laws limiting defamatory speech exist already.  However, libel and slander laws do not cover all of the potential issues that arise on the internet.  It is entirely possible to create legislation that punishes people who translate their abusive tendencies into virtual form.

In the case mentioned - in which Mr. Barr incorrectly claims a teenager was involved - the adult female responsible for said bullying intentionally and maliciously attempted to destroy this very young girl&#039;s life.  I&#039;m sure she never intended for the girl to kill herself, but actions like hers SHOULD have consequences.  Suggesting otherwise denies the emerging realities of today&#039;s world.  This legislation is necessary because the woman was acquitted because there was no clear law that applied given the virtual circumstances.

I wonder that we are so anxious to agree with Mr. Barr because of our terror of the &quot;evil Government&quot;.  I was under the impression that the government was supposed to protect citizens from harm.  If Lori Drew (the woman responsible for the emotional abuse) had carried out her actions in the real world, there would have been consequences.  I&#039;m not sure why Mr. Barr, or any of you, frankly, think that there shouldn&#039;t be consequences when malicious abuse occurs over the internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are several problems with Mr. Barr&#8217;s commentary.  One, he is obviously not familiar with the state-of-the-art in online life research.  Research across social science disciplines is clearly showing that, particularly for younger generations and more and more for older generations, virtual life is as real, and in some cases even more real, than real life.  You may mock this, as I&#8217;m sure some of you will, but that doesn&#8217;t change the validity of the research, nor does it change the fact that we aren&#8217;t talking about introverted nerds living in their mother&#8217;s basements, we&#8217;re talking about an ever-increasing and significant portion of the US population.  If virtual life is accepted as a form of reality, then things that occur within that reality have personal repercussions.</p>
<p>Second, Mr. Barr is making a strawman argument, no doubt learned in law school as being both fallacious and effective, to attack this sort of legislation. He claims, and several posters have concurred, that it will penalize something as innocuous as an insulting e-mail or text message.  Clearly, this is not the intent of the law.  Mr. Barr may be correct in suggesting that the scope of the law is too broad, and there no doubt could be some tightening of it, but that is no reason to dismiss the proposed legislation entirely.</p>
<p>Thirdly, pronouncements about the violation of the 1st amendment are disingenuous and intellectually dishonest.  As we are all surely aware, laws limiting defamatory speech exist already.  However, libel and slander laws do not cover all of the potential issues that arise on the internet.  It is entirely possible to create legislation that punishes people who translate their abusive tendencies into virtual form.</p>
<p>In the case mentioned &#8211; in which Mr. Barr incorrectly claims a teenager was involved &#8211; the adult female responsible for said bullying intentionally and maliciously attempted to destroy this very young girl&#8217;s life.  I&#8217;m sure she never intended for the girl to kill herself, but actions like hers SHOULD have consequences.  Suggesting otherwise denies the emerging realities of today&#8217;s world.  This legislation is necessary because the woman was acquitted because there was no clear law that applied given the virtual circumstances.</p>
<p>I wonder that we are so anxious to agree with Mr. Barr because of our terror of the &#8220;evil Government&#8221;.  I was under the impression that the government was supposed to protect citizens from harm.  If Lori Drew (the woman responsible for the emotional abuse) had carried out her actions in the real world, there would have been consequences.  I&#8217;m not sure why Mr. Barr, or any of you, frankly, think that there shouldn&#8217;t be consequences when malicious abuse occurs over the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: TeapotTempest</title>
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		<dc:creator>TeapotTempest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. ex-congressman Barr this is tempest in a teapot stuff you write about and not worth yours or your readers time.  Surely there are more important issues than this drivel?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. ex-congressman Barr this is tempest in a teapot stuff you write about and not worth yours or your readers time.  Surely there are more important issues than this drivel?</p>
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		<title>By: hryder</title>
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		<dc:creator>hryder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of the morons supporting currently proposed health care/insurance legislation. Also, If one viewed resumes only, no references to gender, schools, age, race, or any other personal identifing characteristics, Sarah Palin is obviously more qualified to be President than the Big &quot;O&quot;. As Sanchez, many people are incapable or unwilling to actually reason logically and instead relie on emotion rather than true fact(s) to reach decisions that more and more people are realizing were totally wrong!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the morons supporting currently proposed health care/insurance legislation. Also, If one viewed resumes only, no references to gender, schools, age, race, or any other personal identifing characteristics, Sarah Palin is obviously more qualified to be President than the Big &#8220;O&#8221;. As Sanchez, many people are incapable or unwilling to actually reason logically and instead relie on emotion rather than true fact(s) to reach decisions that more and more people are realizing were totally wrong!!</p>
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