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		<title>By: Bill Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 21:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Pain7</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pain7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 04:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of comments from other military caught my eye.  To the Marine who held up the example of Marines at the birthday ball being the reason we shouldn&#039;t allow our military to carry.  The soldiers who were in the area during the shooting were on-duty, i.e. not drunk.  I don&#039;t carry when I drink.  Your example was irrelevant to this discussion.  If the shooting had taken place in the NCO club, your example might have held a bit more validity.  And to the AF MSgt, soldiers are trained a bit better than most airmen at handling arms.  More than a few of the soldiers on that base are trained in fighting in an urban environment, and all are trained to assess the situation before pulling the trigger.  It would be a good idea to have more MPs on the bases, but there is that little issue of two wars being fought right now.  Which is why some of your airmen are pulling &quot;in lieu of&quot; missions - doing duties in the war zone that would normally be performed by soldiers or marines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of comments from other military caught my eye.  To the Marine who held up the example of Marines at the birthday ball being the reason we shouldn&#8217;t allow our military to carry.  The soldiers who were in the area during the shooting were on-duty, i.e. not drunk.  I don&#8217;t carry when I drink.  Your example was irrelevant to this discussion.  If the shooting had taken place in the NCO club, your example might have held a bit more validity.  And to the AF MSgt, soldiers are trained a bit better than most airmen at handling arms.  More than a few of the soldiers on that base are trained in fighting in an urban environment, and all are trained to assess the situation before pulling the trigger.  It would be a good idea to have more MPs on the bases, but there is that little issue of two wars being fought right now.  Which is why some of your airmen are pulling &#8220;in lieu of&#8221; missions &#8211; doing duties in the war zone that would normally be performed by soldiers or marines.</p>
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		<title>By: Another retired AF MSgt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another retired AF MSgt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A likely scenario when all at FT Hood (or any military installation) are armed,  The bad guy &quot;A&quot; shots a victim.  A couple seats down &quot;B&quot; stands and shoots the bad guy &quot;A&quot;, in the back of the room, &quot;C&quot; hearing the commotion sees &quot;B&quot; shoot &quot;A&quot; and levels his M-16 on &quot;B&quot; and fires, in the doorway facing the hall ,&quot;D&quot; turns to see &quot;C&quot; shoot &quot;B&quot;, and fires on &quot;C&quot;, after hearing the gunfire &quot;E thru Z&quot; come running shoot &quot;D&quot; and bust in to the room, the front right corner of the room thinking this is an attack starts firing at &quot;E thru Z&quot;, now we have a full out fire fight.  Should everyone be armed, NO.  Should there be more identifiable armed security on the installation, and in particular in places of large gatherings, YES!! Everyone on that installation should be detailed to armed security regularly, and should be the most visible troops on the base.  You shouldn&#039;t be able to swing a dead cat without hitting an armed &quot;military&quot; security troop.  No offense to the civilian &quot;rent a cops&quot;, the young lady at FT Hood was exemplary in her actions (ex military I hear), but the majority of those at my installations around here don&#039;t give me the impression that they can stop a kid on a bike, much less an armed threat.  If we don&#039;t protect our own who will?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A likely scenario when all at FT Hood (or any military installation) are armed,  The bad guy &#8220;A&#8221; shots a victim.  A couple seats down &#8220;B&#8221; stands and shoots the bad guy &#8220;A&#8221;, in the back of the room, &#8220;C&#8221; hearing the commotion sees &#8220;B&#8221; shoot &#8220;A&#8221; and levels his M-16 on &#8220;B&#8221; and fires, in the doorway facing the hall ,&#8221;D&#8221; turns to see &#8220;C&#8221; shoot &#8220;B&#8221;, and fires on &#8220;C&#8221;, after hearing the gunfire &#8220;E thru Z&#8221; come running shoot &#8220;D&#8221; and bust in to the room, the front right corner of the room thinking this is an attack starts firing at &#8220;E thru Z&#8221;, now we have a full out fire fight.  Should everyone be armed, NO.  Should there be more identifiable armed security on the installation, and in particular in places of large gatherings, YES!! Everyone on that installation should be detailed to armed security regularly, and should be the most visible troops on the base.  You shouldn&#8217;t be able to swing a dead cat without hitting an armed &#8220;military&#8221; security troop.  No offense to the civilian &#8220;rent a cops&#8221;, the young lady at FT Hood was exemplary in her actions (ex military I hear), but the majority of those at my installations around here don&#8217;t give me the impression that they can stop a kid on a bike, much less an armed threat.  If we don&#8217;t protect our own who will?</p>
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		<title>By: Big DS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big DS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a simple open &amp; shut case. Forget 2nd Amendment rights and gun control for a second. If you want to discuss the Virginia Tech case, then by all means do. But this is the military we&#039;re talking about. These are soldiers trained to be proficient with firearms, trained to kill, and to protect the United States of America. For everyone&#039;s safety, they should have sidearms at all times. It is insane to suggest otherwise. Would you ask police officers to respond to crimes completely unarmed having to rely on the SWAT team in case weapons are needed? Soldiers should not have to rely on MP&#039;s for their own safety! MP&#039;s can&#039;t be everywhere all the time, and like civilian police, usually respond to crimes rather than prevent them. And, while the odds are very slim, it isn&#039;t insane to think that a terrorist or other enemies may attack a military base on U.S. soil. It doesn&#039;t happen very often...oh wait...it just did. And look what happened. ARM OUR SOLDIERS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a simple open &amp; shut case. Forget 2nd Amendment rights and gun control for a second. If you want to discuss the Virginia Tech case, then by all means do. But this is the military we&#8217;re talking about. These are soldiers trained to be proficient with firearms, trained to kill, and to protect the United States of America. For everyone&#8217;s safety, they should have sidearms at all times. It is insane to suggest otherwise. Would you ask police officers to respond to crimes completely unarmed having to rely on the SWAT team in case weapons are needed? Soldiers should not have to rely on MP&#8217;s for their own safety! MP&#8217;s can&#8217;t be everywhere all the time, and like civilian police, usually respond to crimes rather than prevent them. And, while the odds are very slim, it isn&#8217;t insane to think that a terrorist or other enemies may attack a military base on U.S. soil. It doesn&#8217;t happen very often&#8230;oh wait&#8230;it just did. And look what happened. ARM OUR SOLDIERS!</p>
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		<title>By: Skip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@M1ashot: “Dirty bombs” a figment of Homeland Security Mind.

1. Can’t be scattered bigger than 30yds without tons of conventional explosives.

--2 words &quot;Crop Duster&quot;

2. Nuke elements that are really dangerous are harder to get than hi explosives. They just want to scare Americans with “Dirty Bomb” BS 

--Radiological material is commonly available.  Check you&#039;re smoke detectors...

3. Bio/ Chem much simpler which Iran has “Poor mans Nuke” Fleas with Plauge as japs used on Chinese.

--Maybe true, but logistics is always an issue.  Keeping all of those fleas in an apartment may get slightly annoying.

4. Go get a good education in logic &amp; science- troll

--Received a very expensive one at every tax payers&#039; expense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@M1ashot: “Dirty bombs” a figment of Homeland Security Mind.</p>
<p>1. Can’t be scattered bigger than 30yds without tons of conventional explosives.</p>
<p>&#8211;2 words &#8220;Crop Duster&#8221;</p>
<p>2. Nuke elements that are really dangerous are harder to get than hi explosives. They just want to scare Americans with “Dirty Bomb” BS </p>
<p>&#8211;Radiological material is commonly available.  Check you&#8217;re smoke detectors&#8230;</p>
<p>3. Bio/ Chem much simpler which Iran has “Poor mans Nuke” Fleas with Plauge as japs used on Chinese.</p>
<p>&#8211;Maybe true, but logistics is always an issue.  Keeping all of those fleas in an apartment may get slightly annoying.</p>
<p>4. Go get a good education in logic &amp; science- troll</p>
<p>&#8211;Received a very expensive one at every tax payers&#8217; expense.</p>
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		<title>By: antigunners never admit logic and proven facts</title>
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		<dc:creator>antigunners never admit logic and proven facts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at stats for crime rates of concealed carry holders vs avg citizen.  Less likely to commit almost any crime. I only wish more were willing to break an unjust law and carry anywhere that is reasonable (why not colleges? why not churches? You know Va Tech? Dr. Tiller?)  The fact is 10s of thousands of people have been carrying regularly for decades and the predicted gunfights in the street HAVE NOT HAPPENED.  And they will not.  I grew up with guns my whole life as did everyone in the rural area I grew up in.  Noone ever committeed a gun crime in my decades living there.  So maybe it&#039;s not the guns by themselves?  Could it be they really don&#039;t shoot people on their own?  Or control the minds of people who own them and force them to go on kill-crazy rampages?  I am disappointed that a survivor of a mass shooting would think that more gun control would have or will ever stop mass murders, when in fact they make them much easier to pull off.  If a person is the only one with a gun and has sufficient ammo and a degree of skill, they can kill almost endless people, as nobody wants to be in the group that rushes the gunman, knowing he will kill several of you during the attempt.  Anyway, I&#039;ll be going back to the rural midwest over Christmas where people keep loaded rifles and shotguns in their vehicles...wow, I will be in much more danger than I am going to GSU in downtown Atlanta, where luckily, guns aren&#039;t allowed (well, at least by law-abiding people).  Oh...wait...those aren&#039;t the ones i needed to worry about anyway.  Why can&#039;t people understand laws will not prevent any criminals from doing something.  You think someone who will rob you at gunpoint or shoot you is afraid of violating a gun law!?  BTW, a young woman was shot in the stomach by robbers down the street from me in midtown last night.  Wonder if they were GFL holders who suddenly went crazy?  I hope they catch the scumbags and she&#039;s okay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at stats for crime rates of concealed carry holders vs avg citizen.  Less likely to commit almost any crime. I only wish more were willing to break an unjust law and carry anywhere that is reasonable (why not colleges? why not churches? You know Va Tech? Dr. Tiller?)  The fact is 10s of thousands of people have been carrying regularly for decades and the predicted gunfights in the street HAVE NOT HAPPENED.  And they will not.  I grew up with guns my whole life as did everyone in the rural area I grew up in.  Noone ever committeed a gun crime in my decades living there.  So maybe it&#8217;s not the guns by themselves?  Could it be they really don&#8217;t shoot people on their own?  Or control the minds of people who own them and force them to go on kill-crazy rampages?  I am disappointed that a survivor of a mass shooting would think that more gun control would have or will ever stop mass murders, when in fact they make them much easier to pull off.  If a person is the only one with a gun and has sufficient ammo and a degree of skill, they can kill almost endless people, as nobody wants to be in the group that rushes the gunman, knowing he will kill several of you during the attempt.  Anyway, I&#8217;ll be going back to the rural midwest over Christmas where people keep loaded rifles and shotguns in their vehicles&#8230;wow, I will be in much more danger than I am going to GSU in downtown Atlanta, where luckily, guns aren&#8217;t allowed (well, at least by law-abiding people).  Oh&#8230;wait&#8230;those aren&#8217;t the ones i needed to worry about anyway.  Why can&#8217;t people understand laws will not prevent any criminals from doing something.  You think someone who will rob you at gunpoint or shoot you is afraid of violating a gun law!?  BTW, a young woman was shot in the stomach by robbers down the street from me in midtown last night.  Wonder if they were GFL holders who suddenly went crazy?  I hope they catch the scumbags and she&#8217;s okay.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, I don&#039;t even know if you are serious...disarm our troops?LOL I get it you are a comedian. If you are so sure this will work, move to Sweden.Oh, wait- the government there will issue you a rifle and ammo.Well, sure there is some country open to &quot;progressive minded&quot; folks like yourself, but in America, WE OWN GUNS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, I don&#8217;t even know if you are serious&#8230;disarm our troops?LOL I get it you are a comedian. If you are so sure this will work, move to Sweden.Oh, wait- the government there will issue you a rifle and ammo.Well, sure there is some country open to &#8220;progressive minded&#8221; folks like yourself, but in America, WE OWN GUNS.</p>
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		<title>By: MrLiberty</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrLiberty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 03:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These soldiers are killing far more innocent people once deployed.

Maybe a better move would be to disarm them all, bring them all home to defend america, and bring our foreign entanglements to an end.

I know every american would certainly be safer with such a move, and the rest of the world certainly would be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These soldiers are killing far more innocent people once deployed.</p>
<p>Maybe a better move would be to disarm them all, bring them all home to defend america, and bring our foreign entanglements to an end.</p>
<p>I know every american would certainly be safer with such a move, and the rest of the world certainly would be.</p>
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		<title>By: A Bit of Thought</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Bit of Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Fort Hood massacre could not have happened because Fort Hood is a gun free zone meaning Maj. Hasan could not bring a gun onto the property.

Yeah, Right --- IN YOUR DREAMS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Fort Hood massacre could not have happened because Fort Hood is a gun free zone meaning Maj. Hasan could not bring a gun onto the property.</p>
<p>Yeah, Right &#8212; IN YOUR DREAMS!</p>
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		<title>By: nr</title>
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		<dc:creator>nr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fang1944  , ABC&#039;s &quot;story&quot; on how students are inept is pure propaganda.  If I were to take 10 15 year old kids who had never used an automobile before, strapped them into Formula 1 cars and told them to race the results would be catastrophic.  

By ABC&#039;s logic my test would prove that we are incapable of driving and therefore cars should be banned on all school campuses.  

I am a student who has a Georgia Firearms License.  I carry a loaded pistol daily around Atlanta.  I carry everywhere that is legal.  According to GA I am capable of defending myself nearly everywhere except for a school campus- I may go into a murderous rampage when I step foot on a pubic campus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fang1944  , ABC&#8217;s &#8220;story&#8221; on how students are inept is pure propaganda.  If I were to take 10 15 year old kids who had never used an automobile before, strapped them into Formula 1 cars and told them to race the results would be catastrophic.  </p>
<p>By ABC&#8217;s logic my test would prove that we are incapable of driving and therefore cars should be banned on all school campuses.  </p>
<p>I am a student who has a Georgia Firearms License.  I carry a loaded pistol daily around Atlanta.  I carry everywhere that is legal.  According to GA I am capable of defending myself nearly everywhere except for a school campus- I may go into a murderous rampage when I step foot on a pubic campus.</p>
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