Cheney’s Disdain For The Law Is Appalling

When Attorney General Eric Holder last month announced he was naming a special prosecutor to determine if CIA personnel had violated federal laws against torturing prisoners during the prior administration of George W. Bush, former Vice President Cheney went ballistic.  Even though Holder made clear the reach of the special prosecutor’s jurisdiction would extend only to those who had exceeded even the broad legal “justification” for torture provided by lawyers in the Bush Justice Department, Cheney found Holder’s move outrageous.

Obviously, Cheney believes that so long as violations of federal law were committed by persons in a previous administration, the perpetrators should be forever thereafter immune from being held accountable for their offenses.  To even suggest otherwise apparently strikes the former vice president as a purely “political move,” for which “there’s no other rationale,” according to Cheney.

Evidently, Cheney has never read of, or has long forgotten the fact that — as noted for, example, by our nation’s very first vice president, John Adams – ours is a ”government of laws, and not of men.”  To our immediate past vice president, such sentiments represent nothing more than “partisan politics.”  Thankfully, our current attorney general agrees with Mr. Adams.

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Mony

September 9th, 2009
6:50 am

Thought’s like this are the reason you are writing in the AJC rather than representing us in the US Congress.

James M. Henderson, Sr.

September 9th, 2009
6:51 am

The problem with Eric Holder’s decision to appoint a special prosecutor goes beyond any perception that Cheney is having a petulant fit of pique. Rather, it is the use of the power of the government by a politically appointed officer of it, to service a special needs population: far left whackos. Such approaches serve political ends only. Holder’s actions undermine the certainty of decisions made by career officials, too.

bull-gator

September 9th, 2009
6:55 am

Well now, aren’t you the pious one Mr. Barr. Have you renewed your membership in the ACLU for this year? Do you get paid to write this drivel? Amazing…

blackbird13

September 9th, 2009
7:03 am

“Such approaches serve political ends only. Holder’s actions undermine the certainty of decisions made by career officials, too.”

What nonsense sir. It is their actions that undermine the laws of this country. Choosing to investigate lawbreakers may be politically motivated to the nth degree, but it doesn’t change the fact that the previous administration broke the law on numerous occasions.

Dave R.

September 9th, 2009
7:04 am

Normally, Bob, I would agree with your basic premise.

However, with the actions of this Justice Dept. under Hope & Change and Holder, this smacks of a political witch-hunt brought on by low poll numbers, especially since this was already investigated and acted upon in the previous administration.

MAL

September 9th, 2009
7:04 am

Go get em, Bob. Keep on speaking your mind and telling it like it is, not like the Bush apologists want it to be.

Remember, those who are afraid of the truth will always be outraged at those who seek the truth.

lees

September 9th, 2009
7:05 am

Law Standard

September 9th, 2009
7:06 am

Holder’s appointment of a special prosecutor may have been justified legally, but clearly was political. It’s called “retribution.”

David

September 9th, 2009
7:13 am

Politically motivated or not, if the law was broken those involved need to be punished to ensure it never happens again. The “soft on crime” apologists posting here obviously believe torture committed in the name of the American people is OK if it’s done by somebody with an (R) after their name (but lying about sex is the worst sin imaginable and an impeachable offense if you happen to have a (D) after your name).

jt

September 9th, 2009
7:15 am

I suppose our own Americans just aren’t good enough for recognition. Abu Graib is what you get when you “normalize” torture in your own backyard.

In a national study by Hayes and Rowan in 1988 of 401 suicides that took place in U.S. jails in 1986 — one of the largest studies of its kind — two out of every three people who committed suicide were being held in a control unit. In one year, 2005, a record 44 prisoners killed themselves in California prisons alone; 70 percent of those suicides occurred in segregation units (Thompson 2006).

From 1995 to 2000, the daily count of people in disciplinary segregation increased 68 percent – a rate of growth more than double that of the prison population overall. Some 80,000 people were confined in lockups, only a fraction of all those in high-security control units or supermax prisons (BJS 1998, BJS 2004).

In the words of prison chaplain Sister Antonia Maguire, prisoners are treated like “animals, without souls, who deserve whatever they get.”

Endless stories of “appalling, sadistic treatment inside America’s own prisons” were uncovered during a four-month investigation, culminating in a video report titled “Torture Inc.: America’s Brutal Prisons,” produced for BBC Channel 4 last spring. “Abu Ghraib … was simply the export of the worst practices that take place in the domestic prison system all the time.”

Dave

September 9th, 2009
7:18 am

The problem with some of you right wing nut jobs is the abuses you will defend for Cheney will later be railed against when a Democrat thinks the divine right of the president is established law. Some of you would be very happy having Putin of Russia run our government so long as he was against abortion and believed in keeping taxes low. Some of you don’t really understand what America’s founding fathers fought to give us. In your mind if King George of Britian had the right core values as George Bush no doubt you would have been a loyalist to the king of that I have no doubt..

clyde

September 9th, 2009
7:19 am

The Republicans pulled a fast one when they put Dick Cheney on the ticket.We all knew it then and we all know it now.The fault lies with the voters.

hop

September 9th, 2009
7:20 am

8 years of protecting our country and this administration seeks to destroy the fine men and woman in the CIA for doing their job.

I regret that I ever voted for you and how your comments today do nothing but strengthen the forces of our enemies.

how far you have fallen mr. barr!

Rod

September 9th, 2009
7:21 am

I just heard that Cheney has invited Eric Holder to go hunting with him.

Richard

September 9th, 2009
7:24 am

hop — 8 years of protecting our country? How about 8 years of driving the economy into the ground. For his last two years in office, as the economy was tanking, Bush denied that there was a resession EVERY DAY. That denial is why he didn’t do anything to stop it, and now we’re all paying for it (except Bush who’s relaxing on his ranch).

The CIA (and Cheney) tortured and killed people to get information. This country is not about being savages – we’re better than that. Anyone who kills and tortures should be punished. ANYONE.

Dan

September 9th, 2009
7:31 am

As long as torture is defined as something akin to pulling out fingernails or electrodes on genitals I am ok with it. If someone get prosecuted for depriving someone of sleep or putting a catepillar in their cage (things previously shown to outrage the left) then I have a problem

Chuck

September 9th, 2009
7:35 am

This column is dead on. The door has to swing both ways – right and left – hopefully to stop in the center. The nonsense of this country’s division between Republican and Democrat, right and wrong, right and left, will serve no one’s purpose. We must find common ground.

Vickers

September 9th, 2009
7:39 am

Richard is right. Cheney believes that the President and VP have the right to ignore the laws. According to darth vader, the only thing Nixon did wrong was to not have plausible deniability when he broke the law.

Facts Please

September 9th, 2009
7:39 am

Lets not bother with Cheney and get to more important things like lets check out why Obama gave up top secrets to his enemy friends. Why hes appointing zars who have criminal pasts and radical motives. Then lets take one step further and investigate Nancy Pelosi and her hiding of facts given by the CIA and her out right lying to save her skin. Lets put the investigation where it belongs, with this current administration who are trying to turn this country into something that not even the Commys want. Lets start with the people who are in power now and got there by deceipt and ACORN fraud.

Who?

September 9th, 2009
7:40 am

It’s no wonder you were booted out of office Mr. Barr.

Nobody reads long posts

September 9th, 2009
7:43 am

Torture is whatever you wouldn’t do to somebody holding your loved one hostage.

Obama and Holder prefer to torture the taxpayers and tickle the terrorists.

All I'm Saying Is...

September 9th, 2009
7:45 am

Keep telling the truth, Bob! Cheney would have done well as a dictator because he totally believes all of his actions are beyond reproach.

GOD BLESS THE USA!

john

September 9th, 2009
7:47 am

Oh will you people get over yourselves! So if someone murders a person, we should say oh well it happened 4 years ago. We have laws for a reason even if you like them or not. All of you cry foul but yet Bush and Cheney were elected twice.

However politically motivated this is, if they broke the law they need to be punished. Our country is set to a higher set of standards. I personally feel that the people who should be prosecuted in reality will not be. There will be scapegoats and lower level people. What is maddening the most is all the Congress members acting as if they didn’t know about most of this. Please they are just covering themselves.

metoo

September 9th, 2009
7:53 am

If he has nothing to hide then what the worry?

Vickers

September 9th, 2009
7:53 am

The problem with Holder’s decision to appoint a special prosecutor is that he should be going after those who wrote the legal opinions and those who gave the orders to torture (Cheney).

Trudy

September 9th, 2009
8:00 am

Cheney belongs behind bars

BigVern

September 9th, 2009
8:05 am

Bob you continue to be a joke…you’re totally worthless.

kitty

September 9th, 2009
8:07 am

I love how the GOP had no problem spending 60 million to prosecute Clinton for lying about a sex act, but seem to have problems with the previous GOP administration being investigated for breaking the law. I wasnt’ aware two types of law exist…one for Democrats and another for Republicans. Of course, I have always suspected the GOP was just jealous of Clinton getting some…seems many of their group has made up for it since then, huh? :)

TrickyDickie

September 9th, 2009
8:07 am

I am above the law. Get me another puppet like “W” and I will rise again!

Bob from Dahlonega

September 9th, 2009
8:17 am

Cheney should e allowed to do whatever he wants to keep us free. This is reverse racism and politically motivated by Obama and his black panther cronies.
I want america to be safe no matter what. If it means torturing every arab or muslim on the face of the earth I do not care. God is on the conservatives side and wants us to defend ourselves against islam.
David hit goliath with a rock so why not put a hot poker up some arabs A-hole if it will keep us free.

You liberals disgust me

neo-Carlinist

September 9th, 2009
8:18 am

“hop” what are you smoking? Cheney was the first to throw the CIA under the bus when he cited flawed intelligence as the impetus for the invasion of Iraq. he also (via his henchman Scooter Libby) threw a CIA field agent (Valerie Plame) under the bus when her husband wrote an editorial that questioned the decision to invade Iraq. Cheney does not give rat’s behind about the dedicated, patriotic and professional members of the U.S. intelligence community. He repeatedly badgered CIA analysts and officers for the intelligence he wanted (link al Qeda to Saddam to 9/11) and when they couldn’t pull that rabbit out of the hat, he went to war anyway. Of course, it’s less of a stretch to “link” Cheney to Haliburton and big oil (the true beneficiaries of the invasion/occupation of Iraq). Cheney should be charged, tried and imprisoned for his unlawful behavior, couched as patriotism.

Buzzsaw of Truth

September 9th, 2009
8:18 am

On the few occasions when I have been in personal contact with Mr. Barr, he appeared dour in the extreme –an impression confirmed by numerous others.

But even if he is perpetually cranky, he has the courage of his convictions. If he perceives a wrong, he goes after its source, whether it be the right, the left, or the middle. Though I often disagree with him, I respect his opinion. And to claim that he has somehow become a closet liberal is just silly.

proffish

September 9th, 2009
8:18 am

Thanks for a return to the good old days when conservative meant less intrusive government and personal freedoms. I can’t imagine anything more intrusive and less free than torture.

NecUga

September 9th, 2009
8:19 am

Touche’ Mr. Barr. RW nuts don’t want the truth, just partisanship.
I’m a conservative.

Battling Morons

September 9th, 2009
8:19 am

Seems all of you suffering from bad cases of “Bush/Cheney Derangement Syndrome”, can’t seem to get it through your head because of your hate…If Bush/Cheney committed all these “acts” and “crimes”, where IS the PROOF? You keep saying the same, tired, talking points from the Daily Kooks, Huffington Post, etc. If they did all you claim, surely your fellow Dems and Libs have this so-called “proof”, right?
If they do have all this “proof”, are they, too, guilty, by withholding all this info???

Davo

September 9th, 2009
8:20 am

Let’s be honest, BB…unless there is a video of Cheney actually eating small babies, Obama will never prosecute him. He wants the same freedom to subvert the Constitution as Dick got.

Mony is Right

September 9th, 2009
8:21 am

Barr needs to go back to sleep….

thik about it

September 9th, 2009
8:21 am

We live in a world that has walls and those walls need to be guarded by men with guns. Those men have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for the prisoners taken from the battlefield and curse the Marines; you have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what these men know: that the manupilation of these people, while tragic, probably saved lives and that the act of war, while grotesque, profane and incomprehensible to you, saves lives.

You don’t want the truth because deep down in places you don’t talk about at parties you know that men sleep peacefully in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. These men use words like honor, code, loyalty. They use them as the backbone of a life trying to defend something. You use them as a punchline. It discusts me when people like you demand explanations because I have no inclination to explain to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that is provided and then questions the manner in which It is provided. I would rather you just said “thank you,” and went on your way.

The works of Aaron Sorkin and George Orwell were mirrored in these paragraphs.

Buzzsaw of Truth

September 9th, 2009
8:24 am

Oh, and “Bob from Dahlonega” …Great satire!! You almost make it seem believable that someone with an IQ above 70 (and who was not a sociopath) could seriously believe such drivel.

Joyce

September 9th, 2009
8:26 am

This is one time I completely agree with Bob Barr. I think Cheney always thought he was above the law when he was VP. He stinks to high heaven with his “values.” “Me thinks he doth protest too much.” I have always thought he was not a patriot, but a traitor and I do believe he was the one who thought of and directed Scooter to carry out, the expose’ of the CIA agent. What good American would go so far as to blow the cover of one of our most valuable tools toward security in this country? None other than a man who was not used to being exposed for what he really is. He had been at the top of Haliburton so long that he thought he was God and could do no wrong. And, we the people of the United States of America, well…according to him, “let them eat cake.”

BR549

September 9th, 2009
8:27 am

Bob from Dahlonega, God is on the conservatives side?

Stephen

September 9th, 2009
8:29 am

Seeking to find out whether a person broke the law then bring them to trial is apparently now called “retribution”. Whatever happened to justice, much less the rule of law? Allowing a government–any government–to break laws with impunity will serve only to bring those laws, and the rule of law in general, into contempt at the highest levels. It will make laws seem the kind of things only little people need obey. Those in a position to ignore them, or who have friends in a position to allow them ignore them (as arguably happened in Iraq with Blackwater), will be free to do whatever they wish. Not only is that kind of “freedom” easily abused, it is also the kind that can just as easily be turned against Americans themselves.

william gardner

September 9th, 2009
8:30 am

I shake my head in disbelief and sorrow at the lenghts that people will go to defend the previous administration.

James Murphey

September 9th, 2009
8:39 am

America is in a financial crisis, Deeply in debt after all the wars Bush and Cheney started and capitalized on. Why all the talk about investigating and prosecuting, which will cost American taxpayers EVEN MORE MONEY. BUT we COULD put “Dick” Cheney & friends up for bid on Ebay and see what international “group” would pay the most for them. My baby need new shoes, health insurance and extra gas money. Cheney advocated to the oil industy before he took office that no new U.S. refineries be built in order to keep fuel prices high (suppy and demand). then the TOP SECRET meeting he held with the nation’s energy suppliers shortly after taking office. Years later the energy companies posted RECORD profits. If the DEVIL himself announced his retirement, Cheney would be the first to apply for the job.

Chicken farmer

September 9th, 2009
8:43 am

The divisivness we continue to perpetrate against one another has reached intolerable levels in our great country. If we don’t give up the hate for our fellow countrymen simply because they don’t share our beliefs, I am fearful of a tremendous implosion. A house divided will fail as Lincoln commented and it appears we become more tallowed to the extreme left and right on a daily basis. We are a country of laws, period! That we fail to recognize this fact and turn a blind eye to justice regardless of the ones who disregard these laws will, in the end, undermine our existance as the greatest country in the entire world. Our two party system is supposed to cater to our masses, but our differences should be minimal and toward the middle as defined by the laws of our land. Everyone is counted on to follow the law regardless of political persuasion. The extreme element on both sides of the isle is taking control of our fabric and minds. Let’s not continue to be the sheep of these extremists however and let’s put our country and our politics back on track closer to the middle of the road, following the laws intent on making we as citizens and our country THE country and government that our founding fathers meant for it to be. The HATE has to be put aside……………….

3rd Party Guy

September 9th, 2009
8:44 am

“He wants the same freedom to subvert the Constitution as Dick got.”

AMEN, Davo, AMEN.

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Peter

September 9th, 2009
9:10 am

The New World Order will hopefully never take place. The Few Rich that want to rule the world with Hitler type tactics hopefully will be shown for what they really are !

After the “made up War in Iraq” the 9/11 crises………. when Bush and Cheney didn’t protect American’s, and the systematic Bilking of America…………we find ourselves behind the 8 ball as a country.

Hopefully someday the REAL TRUTH will come out………the creation of all the madness by the Bush Administration, to make a few very rich, and the Self Appointed Very Powerful, even more controlling !

I look forward to the DAY… “Dark Vadder” is discovered for what he is……..no different than his role in the “Good Old Days of President Reagan”, a team that brought Piss on you Economics, the Iran Contra Affair….and finally……..a BIG stomp on the US Constitution.

Poor Jim Whooten is probably puking up his coffee after reading this………But hey for a guy who is just a Pawn, it serves him well !

Peter

September 9th, 2009
9:13 am

Bush and Cheney defending America ? HA HA HA…….. HA HA HA………… HA HA HA…….

9 / 11 Never forget what your leaders are capable of !

reader110

September 9th, 2009
9:20 am

Cheney belongs in jail.