17,500 Canadians Can’t Be Wrong

Since Barack Obama was inaugurated President just over seven months ago, some 17,500 Canadian have come to the U.S. to receive health care.  Just since the President’s health care legislation was introduced in the House of Representatives in March, about 12,500 Canadians have come here for health care.  During that same period, how many Americans have travelled north to obtain health care in Canada because they couldn’t get it here in the States?  

The average wait time for a Canadian to obtain treatment from a specialist after seeing a primary care physician?  About 4-1/2 months.  In the U.S.?  Virtually none.

Want to see a primary care doctor in the U.S.?  Pick up the phone and call one.  In Canada, get in line behind the five percent of the population waiting to get a primary care physician (about 17 million Canadians).

And still there are those in Washington extolling the benefit of a government-controlled, single-payor heath care system .  .  .  like they have in Canada.

284 comments Add your comment

Carl

August 28th, 2009
3:22 pm

It’s all Jimmy Carter’s fault.

bill warden

August 28th, 2009
3:23 pm

I have a suggestion. Get on the phone and call someone in Canada. Or take a trip there. Ask them, virtually ANY ONE of them and ask if they’d prefer to be on their health plan or the one in the US. ASK, I have! On numerous trips there. I have never yet met a SINGLE Canadian who expressed a desire to change to the US’s system. Yes they complain, who doesn’t? But in general Canadians think the US’s system is crude, backward and barbaric!!. Please, don’t just swallow silly editorials like the one at the top of this page, go find out yourself from someone in Canada.

And, oh, by the way. Did you happen to ask any of those Canadians, that got some health care in the USA, about who paid for that care? You’d be surprised to know how often the care obtained in US was paid for by the Canadian health service. That’s the kind of thing that happens when a health care system exists to give health care rather than to restrict it for profit.

And the statistics about wait time are sheer garbage. I base this on experience. My daughter is in college in Canada. She couldn’t get an appointment with her GP in time when she was home for summer a year ago. So she went back to school and went to her health provider there. Saw the doctor THAT DAY. She’s never had to wait more than a few days. Try that in your HMO or PPO here.

Try to get your statistics from somewhere besides the Glen Beck show or Rush Limbaugh!

JSon

August 28th, 2009
3:23 pm

We can afford anything we want to afford. It’s all a matter of tradeoffs. Let’s shut down the expansion of government called Homeland Services and that would save us a ton of money.

JSon

August 28th, 2009
3:23 pm

I mean Homeland Security

the evil rich

August 28th, 2009
3:28 pm

Who’s fault is it poor American’s can’t get care? ANY emergency they have is ALWAYS taken care of on the tax payer dollar.

When did it become an American’s right to preventive health care? This is just another liberal move to nanny-ize the government.

Feel free to name ANY job the government does well that they are involved in. that the private sector wouldn’t do better.

Trust the government? Ask an Indian.

“Tax the rich, healthcare for the poor, ’til there are rich no more” (revised 10 years after, 1971)

JackLeg

August 28th, 2009
3:34 pm

Hey Les Miles, Why are the jobs not coming back? Can you see the future? It would be real easy to bring the jobs back, lower the corporate tax to 25%. If people had jobs, and got a tax incentive to have healthcare, gee what would happen? Les Miles since you seem to love what our government does, can you name one thing that they have not destroyed? Like Medicare, no not that, Medicaid, no not that……hmmm Fannie May and Freddie Mac…. No not that…..Social Security….. no not that …. I can’t seem to find one thing that our government has run that has been run correctly, can you? The only thing that our government does is steal money from my check before I even get it, then waste it! Why don’t all you loser liberals move to Canada, or England for a while before you decide to ruin our system. Better yet wait until it is an emergency and see how fast you get help….RLOL… by the way for the moment we are a free country so feel free to go where ever you think is better….

Lovleyliz, do you know why more Canadians don’t come here? Let me enlighten you, they have a 50% tax rate on salary then a VAT tax on foods services and goods…so how much is left to live on? Don’t worry if Obozo gets his way we will ALL be poor soon…

Geo

August 28th, 2009
3:43 pm

Hi,

No need to draw comparisons to Canada or any other nations with “socialized health care” to prove or disprove a point. If we are the greatest country in the world then we and our elected officials can create a system that
1.) Covers the entire U.S. population and removes the bankruptcy threats of not being insured
2.) Removes any need to use pre-existing conditions as obstacles for coverage
3.) Reduces the costs of doing business by improving technology and promoting good health.
4.) Provides checks & balances to hold both public & private health care systems\companies within ethical standards.
5.) Holds costs at present levels and maybe even realize some reductions in the future.

This is not a scaremonger tactic. Forget that Obama is president and think about the worse case health scenario that can impact you. Then think about how you would feel if you did not have health coverage. Even more so, think about if you just lost your job (and health coverage) and your new health provider won’t cover your condition. May not be you but it is happening right now to individuals in this country.

eddie s

August 28th, 2009
3:45 pm

I used to live in Southern Kalifornia and traveled by RV a lot. I belonged to a number of Camp grounds around the State.. I would often meet Canadians staying in the Campgrounds around the State in my travels and just about all of them came to Kalifronia for have medical procedures done. I only remember a couple of statements the most outrageous ones course about the time lag between diagnoises and treatment..Average was 4 months.. One I remember really well because I thought it was horrible,,,A simple hernia repair, what ten minutes at the most with 4 tiny holes cut in abdomen..1 year wait…in the mean time they kept telling him just to pop it back in or wear a girdle… Another Canadian, a woemen, her uterus was falling,,,come back in a year and a half meantime just stuff it back in and wear heavier panties, that is what they told her….

Now is this horrendous or what! The average wait here in the States, without a commettiee to decide when you when you were going to get surgey, if you were to get it all,,, Two weeks average after crossing the Border and finding a place to stay……

Excuse my spelling but I went to a Public School taught by Union employees…

Santana Moss

August 28th, 2009
3:50 pm

JackLeg is certainly an appropriate name for you JackLeg. It indicates the level of your brain function.

The Professor

August 28th, 2009
3:54 pm

Can someone…….anyone show me where in any of the plans it calls for covering illegal aliens? I am too lazy to look for it but I am sure it is there. I am not the only one that mention the illegals.

JSon

August 28th, 2009
3:54 pm

Geo, I like it…that’s what we need is some good positive thinking.

Brittancus

August 28th, 2009
3:55 pm

Instead of pandering to the business community, our elected politicians must execute E-Verify as permanent tool to draw illegal workers away from the workplace? It must not be voluntary to be enforced, with serious penalties for employers who disregard the law. Heavy fines should be imposed, along with asset confiscation and for hiring a large force of illegal foreign workers a lengthy prison sentence. Nobody in the workplace should be exempt from being positively identified as a Citizen or a US permanent resident. Even the longest employed worker should be checked through the system. E-Verification should be built upon, with any new innovations desired to stop jobs being stolen from those legally allowed to work.

Many ICE raids across the nation have proved beyond doubt the extent of illegal nationals taking jobs of citizens and how expeditiously these unfilled jobs were taken back by bona-fide workers in the poultry industry. Americans in the working environment should report any illegal activity to ICE, so they can investigate. E-Verify is the only substantial program in immigration armory that must not be weakened. It is evident that it’s operational owing to the tireless assault of the ACLU, US Chamber of Commerce to silence its function in the courts. Now is the time to pressure your reluctant elected official, specifically in California. This Sanctuary Refuge for illegal aliens and their families have been overloading schools, hospitals and government welfare benefits to pacify special interest lobbyists. Voters should also immediately mandate installation of E-Verify nationwide in vetting the janitor to an engineer, from a sheet metal worker to an advertising executive.

When the welfare state of California nearly financially collapsed, it can be partially attributed to the massive population of illegal immigrants. The time is ripe to shout aloud of the decades of inflated taxes supporting education to K-12, free medical care and considerably more which stays intentionally undisclosed to the public. MAKE A NOTE OF THIS WASHINGTON SWITCHBOARD NUMBER 202-224-3121. Like never before we need the Nation Guard to patrol the border on a permanent basis, to support the undermanned region. Democrats declare in the town hall meetings, that foreign nationals have–NO–access to benefits in Obama’s health care reform.

But if a path to citizenship or AMNESTY is not–TABLED–in the coming Immigration Reform session, then one-and-all, will automatically be provided for as new citizens into the health care program. In addition we must consider the gigantic onslaught of millions more who will try to join those already here? WE CANNOT EVEN PROVIDE MEDICAL FOR OUR OWN POPULATION? I CONCUR WITH A PUBLIC OPTION-BUT NOT FOR FOREIGN NATIONALS.

STOP IT ONCE AND FOR ALL NOW AND START A POINTS SYSTEM FOR HIGH ECHELON WORKERS. The poor, uneducated will never stop breaking our laws, for an opportunity reserved for AMERICANS AND LEGAL RESIDENTS. LEARN THE CONSEQUENCES OF IRREVERSIBLE OVERPOPULATION, THE COSTS TO TAXPAYERS AT NUMBERSUSA, HERITAGE FOUNDATION & JUDICIAL WATCH.

Michael H. Smith

August 28th, 2009
3:56 pm

But there can be no such thing as the right to another man’s labor — because there is no such thing as any sort of right to involuntary servitude on the part of others.

@ Michael Smith – Of course there can be such a thing as the right to another man’s labor. It is very well defined under fascism, socialism, communism and Obumerism.

canexpat

August 28th, 2009
4:16 pm

That 17,500 is misleading. It is made up of primarily Canadians that are already resident in the USA. There are approximately 1 million Canadians living in the US. That relatively small number (17,500) is made up those Canadians that work for Canadian and US companies that supply Medicare coverage. The rest come back to Canada to get heathcare. Why? Because we don’t have to worry about going bankrupt and no, we don’t have to wait as long as many in the US seem to be saying.

Canadians Love their healthcare. 33 million Canadians can’t be wrong.

clyde

August 28th, 2009
4:34 pm

Ripping the Canadian healthcare system apart to prove we don’t want one like it in the U.S. isn’t a good idea.They want a health care system in Canada for everyone and they’re committed to having one.So far,as problems arise,they solve them.That doesn’t mean they always will be able to,unless everyone is behind it.They have sacrificed to get this system and they want to keep it and improve it if possible.

The U.S,sysyem is a fine system for people who have money and insurance and are able to afford what insurance doesn’t cover,but it’s not a good sysyem for people that can’t afford it.I’ve been covered by employer insurance all my life so I’ve had no real problems,just pay what the insurance won’t and go on.I’ve had insurance and medical bills at the same time in my life,so has my daughter and son.So has my father.My Canadian friends escape that problem completely.An extended illness there does not mean financial ruin as it well can here.

Yankee

August 28th, 2009
4:43 pm

Who would have thought so many here would have relatives in Canada. You betcha.

Justin

August 28th, 2009
5:38 pm

Bob, although I think you are a bit of a fat tick, I would expect more from you as an educated man. First, cite your sourc(es). 12.5k Canadians out of how many in their total population? Why don’t you shed some light on how many Americans travel to other countries, namely Canada and Mexico for affordable pharmaceuticals. Speak facts, which I will cite from the CIA fact book…you know, the one put together by the Central Intelligence Agency and cited as information by news sources world wide: Canada has a higher life expectancy than the USA, not by just barely…but Canada is 8th worldwide, USA is 47th. There are many many comparisons in which I think you will find your opinion just that, opinion, but far from real world facts.
I lived in Atlanta for 35 years and now because of my job, live in a country with socialized health care that thankfully I can take advantage of as a resident with a work visa. 4 years ago I broke an ankle in a fall. I was taken to the hospital where I saw an emergency room doctor immediately, no waiting. After having spent 2 days in a hospital room while having x rays, surgery which included a pin inserted into my ankle and normal recovery (including all medication), I spent a grand total of 15 euros (20 US Dollars). Last week, I was experiencing a pain in my jaw which after a day of enduring, I decided to go to the hospital to have it checked out. I saw 3 Physicians (General first, Ear, nose and throat second and Dentist third) and was determined I was in need of a nerve extraction via a root canal. I was in the hospital a total of 4 hours in which I saw these three doctors, had two x rays, a root canal and minor recovery. Yes, 3 doctors AND the procedure in 4 hours…No scheduling appointments and waiting for an opening, referrals, driving all over town, etc. One week later, I am perfectly recovered and our of 6 Euros (8 US dollars) for the TOTAL of the visit and procedure, including X-rays, Novocaine and antibiotics.
Bob, you speak the same fear due to ignorance so many people preach. It’s a darn shame so many people in my home country are too ignorant to realize what a blessing it is to not have top pay the US average of $5000 per year in a profit- motivated health care insurance and not have to worry about whose pocket your doctor is in. Ask 10 Canadians and 10 English of they would rather have their systems or ours. I bet you’d be convinced, if you could look past your ill-informed fears.

fed up w/Yankee

August 28th, 2009
5:38 pm

Read my response to this question in the last blog, which had nothing to do about healthcare.

Marryanne

August 28th, 2009
5:52 pm

Bob, Since when has going to the doctor been like going to Super Cuts. In case you forget what the real world is like, you cant just “walk in” to your General Physician and be seen. There is such thing as an “appointment” which needs to be made. Chances are, unless it’s life threatening, you wait FAR more than 4.5 hours to be seen. This may mean waiting for the first opening or perhaps being seen the next day, but rarely can you just show up and be seen. Same goes in an emergency room. If your “emergency” is not life threatening, you are passed over for the ones which are. Eventually you are seen, sometimes hours after arriving at the hospital.
Bob, when was the last time you had to wait in line anywhere for anything. I guess being a Senator and failed Presidential candidate has it’s privileges, most of us will never know.

TnGelding

August 28th, 2009
6:08 pm

Well, it depends on where you live and what your definition of virtually is. Bottom line, health care is already rationed in this country and you do have to wait to see a specialist. As to how much illegal aliens are costing the system, who knows?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-01-21-immigrant-healthcare_N.htm

I would think they are billed just like anyone else that shows up at the ER without insurance.

I like this doctor’s approach:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrew-weil-md

sakel

August 28th, 2009
6:13 pm

This is purely illogical at best. For 62% of Americans filing for bankruptcy the primary cause is….*Medical bills*! Not a single claim for bankruptcy you will find in Canada caused by inability to pay for medical bills!

Americans spend 18% of their GDP on healthcare and in Canada one 7%, not to mention that the per capita is far below the American $7,800.00 annual!

Why are Americans proud of having a developing country’s healthcare system that leaves out 50 million of its citizens in the clutches of a redundantly profiteering insurance lobby that elects their politicians?

We Canadians are proud of our national healthcare system and if our Bushian prime minister Harper ever dares to lay a hand on it, he’ll be kicked out on his dull posterior faster than you can spell “hope and change”!

Wake up and joing Slovania. This is the country that holds the #38 spot on healthcare ranking–which is one above the American #37. Isn’t this a shameful fact? I’m sure you’ll agree, eh?

Jerry Grillo

August 28th, 2009
6:14 pm

Ken, wow, what an enlightened and Christian response. As the parent of a severely disabled boy, I get some access to Medicaid. And you seem to be proud of the fact that you can hold a job. Well done, drone. I also can hold a job and pay for health care. It’s a good plan, but it isn’t enough to pay for everything my son needs. Before you start brushing everyone who needs assistance with the same brush, get your head out of your fat @$$ and pick up a book once in a while.

memi

August 28th, 2009
6:18 pm

Please try to do some research on this. Better still, ask us Canadians what we think of our system. We have a not perfect system–which country has it anyway? But we love it. We choose our own doctors and if they’re bozos we ask for another. We do have a shortage due to shortsighted policies, but it’s been addressed. Since l973, we’ve enjoyed a much higher standard of care, a humane vision and a far more EFFICIENT and AFFORDABLE system than you south of the border.

The Canadian system is far superior to the American. I am grateful to my country for having the foresight and ability to see ahead and not beyond some fanatic neocon agenda that prefers to give big bucks to insurance companies, and not to the people who bailed them out recently.

Canada-bashing will get you nowhere close to the truth. Come up and see us some time. As they say, ‘break a leg’, good luck and visit our hospitals. At least you won’t be kicked out if you don’t have a penny on you.
don’t let the fanatic insurance peddlers do your thinking for you. Canadians love their system – 86% vs 13%. What does that tell you???

catlady

August 28th, 2009
6:30 pm

For every dissatisfied Canadian, I would bet we have 5000 dissatisfied Americans–or more.

Bo Diddly Squat

August 28th, 2009
6:31 pm

Marryanne

August 28th, 2009
5:52 pm

“Bob, Since when has going to the doctor been like going to Super Cuts. In case you forget what the real world is like, you cant just “walk in” to your General Physician and be seen.”

Yes I can.

“Same goes in an emergency room. If your “emergency” is not life threatening, you are passed over for the ones which are.”

I guess your getting in and out with a cold is much more important than the person just brought in with a heart attack…..duhhhhh….the freaking ignorance of some people.

Bo Diddly Squat

August 28th, 2009
6:32 pm

Canadians suck.

Bo Diddly Squat

August 28th, 2009
6:34 pm

Problem with SOME Americans is they believe it’s MINE and YOUR responsibility to pay THEIR way through life.

Zeek

August 28th, 2009
7:02 pm

Bob — to answer you rhetorical question, no, Americans haven’t been crossing the Canadian border in droves to avail themselves of Canada’s utopian health care system.

No, they’ve headed for sunnier climes. In pairs and small groups, they’ve inflated tractor inner tubes and they are floating across the balmy, warm 90 miles of ocean to get to the home of the best health care in the world, in Castro’s Cuba.

I echo the sentiments above. If you long for Canadian-style health care, please emigrate to Canada. Such a move will simultaneously raise the IQ of both countries.

OpinionsMatter

August 28th, 2009
7:33 pm

How many of the posters on here have actually had a health care experience in another country. Let me tell you about mine. While on a trip to France recently, I came down with what seemed like the flu. Unable to get out of bed, I called down to the front desk at the hotel to explain my situation. Within an hour, a doctor came to my hotel to examine me and determine what was wrong. (Can you imagine getting a house call in the US?) The prescriptions he wrote me (five in all) cost less than $40. And I was a visitor!

Keep trying the scare tactics. The truth is that government-run health care in other countries is much more advanced, and preferable to what we currently have in the US.

Roose

August 28th, 2009
7:38 pm

Mr. Barr: I didn’t think the central issue was if a primary or specialist doctor would see you quickly; but whether or not your private insurance would pay for the visits and how long.

Roose

August 28th, 2009
8:00 pm

the problem is we have an issue with health care coverage, not availablility of services. The issue centers on whether or not the insurance company will pay for visits and for how long.

Roose

August 28th, 2009
8:05 pm

Don’t we have 17,500 or more Canadians who work on the US side of the border? Can somebody compute the percent of 35 million!!

catlady

August 28th, 2009
8:14 pm

Let me get this straight: if we allow “those people” (the uninsured) to have insurance and thus make it more likely for them to go to the doctor, WE (the insured) will have to wait longer for an appointment. And WE don’t want to have to wait!

Reminds me of an article in the AARP Bulletin a year or so ago that said for older folks to claim chest pain whenever they went to the ER, so they would get moved to the front of the line. Cut finger? Claim chest pain. Upset stomach, claim chest pain.

You get the drift.

catlady

August 28th, 2009
8:18 pm

Brittancus–everify is a joke. Our local largest agricultural business has an employee whose job it is to make sure those without the correct papers get them. As long as everify does not include retina scans or something like that, it merely matches a name with a SS number. If you have an ID with your picture and someone else’s name but the correct SS number, you pass with flying colors.

Reform Will Happen

August 28th, 2009
8:23 pm

Chris Broe

August 28th, 2009
1:39 pm
Healthcare is as good as the doctor. Most doctors are incompetent. America, heal thyself. (doctors B good sailors, though).

Waelll thet assesmunt don’t say much then for 4 years of med school, 6 years or residency, 8 of the first years in an ER, and hundreds of CME conferences and hours of readin’.

Ah always done thought health care do depend on the doctor, ole Chris presciently done got that much right, but it also do depend on a few other things lahk:

When the inshorrrance compney drops the patient flat on their butt as happens with 430 JawJaws per day, and drops the patient flat on their butt when they get a significant illness lahk say breast cancer, then they don’t got no doctor.

And Barr read a non-representative skewed study and used it for the springboard of a little column and he gets paid for that.

Canadian health care in many ways is superior to US health care. We aren’t talking the cream of healthcare when it’s assessed; we’re talking about healthcare delivery to all 306+ million Americans alive now.

If 12 million have been dropped in the last few years, 18,000 died shortly after being dropped last year that ain’t good.

Healthcare also is as good as the insurance to cover it and the ability to get medicines and equipment needed for the patient. Since Bill Frist and the Repubos deep sixed Medicare Part D and created a huge donut, many elderly patients ain’t gettin’ the meds you are compelled to Rx for ‘em.

The non competitive bid element that has Medicare headed for the red in 8 years was simply conceived. Repubos led by Bill Frist played Bunny Ranch with Pharma and the Insurance companies just as the Senate Finace Six has now–delaying things so they can skam more money from their corporate employers.

Bob Barr’s old haunt, the House is not passing anything without a vibrant public option and they won;t cave. And we can split the bill in the Senate and use Reconciliation to get a Senate public option to Conference.

All you whackjobs who think that the coop flops are going to be passed are delusional. Ain’t happenin.

Thank ya Chris for your clinically experienced assessment even though you couldn’t get one toe into a freshman gross anatomy class anywhere on the planet.

catlady

August 28th, 2009
8:28 pm

Michael Smith at 9:48. Well, clean water, air, and food are all products of someone’s labor (since without oversight we would be in a worse mess than we are now.) So I guess we have no right to those, since someone labors to provide them. Get you some of those grapes from Chile and live on that superfund dump, Michael.

Say What Say Huh?

August 28th, 2009
8:47 pm

I keep hearing this talk about ERs and how no one is turned away yadda yadda yah. I know SO MANY INSURED people who wouldn’t go to an ER unless their life literally depended on it. It’s $500 just to walk in the friggin door. To you idiots who believe illegal immigrants are over running the system, please stop drinking the right wing fear mongering koolaid and allow someone other than Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity to think for you. I wonder what the good folks of Canada think about the 1 million+ Americans who have used their system ILLEGALLY?!

Say What Say Huh?

August 28th, 2009
8:50 pm

Furthermore, I guess folks are marching into ERs demanding to see U.S. issued birth certificates to conclude that most of the people there are here illegally? Because we all know that non-English speaking=illegal. *Smfh* The world continues to laugh at us.

Say What Say Huh?

August 28th, 2009
8:57 pm

To those who insist that private insurers couldn’t compete with a govt system: it’s mighty hard for me to be sympathetic to the plight of BILLIONAIRES who have become rich at the expense of ailing (or dead) Americans.

Say What Say Huh?

August 28th, 2009
8:57 pm

The road to hell is paved with Republicans.

Rush Limbaugh

August 28th, 2009
9:00 pm

Oxycontin is much cheaper in Canada. I’m jes sayin…

Michael H. Smith

August 28th, 2009
11:31 pm

The socialist liberal Democrats really do need a real boogieman and new talking points. Something a bit more convincing, like the truth.

Why Health Insurers Make Lousy Villains

Government interrogators are unlikely to find abuses on that scale among health insurers. While the rest of the economy has collapsed, most parts of the healthcare sector have remained reasonably stable. So odds are that any bonuses paid at least went out of profitable firms. With profits in many other industries depressed, health insurance profit margins probably rank higher than they normally would, compared with other industries. And a number of health insurance organizations, such as Kaiser and the Blue Cross plans, are nonprofits. They can still pay high salaries, but since there’s no stock or stock options, there are fewer ways for big shots to earn lavish bonuses.

Among the large, for-profit health insurers, profit margins line up with the industry as a whole. UnitedHealthGroup, the biggest health insurer, had a 4.1 percent profit margin over the past 12 months. WellPoint, the next biggest, had a 4 percent profit margin. Aetna, Cigna, and Humana came in below that.

Health insurers turn out to be underperformers compared with the other parts of the healthcare sector. Pharmaceutical companies have a profit margin of 16.4 percent—seventh highest of the 215 industries that Morningstar tracks. Others segments of healthcare with margins well above the median include healthcare information (9.4 percent), home healthcare firms (8.5 percent), medical labs (8.2 percent), and generic drugmakers (6.5 percent).

The big money, in other words, isn’t in the insurance industry. If it’s anywhere, it’s in the pharmaceutical industry. But the Obamanauts appear to have reached a kind of détente with Big Pharma in exchange for that industry’s tepid support for some kind of reform. So Obama and his foot soldiers need to look elsewhere for black hats.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/flowchart/2009/08/25/why-health-insurers-make-lousy-villains.html

Tom Barksdale

August 29th, 2009
6:29 am

This statistic is absolutely meaningless without specifics, e.g, what is the income of the Candaians who came to the U.S.? What specific medical care did they believe they wre lacking in Canada? Did they come because of some long wait in Canada threatened their health, or simply because it was more convenient to come south–and they had the money to pay for the visit?

To the question, why do Americans not travel to Canada for health care, I would offer this one: Canada is a democracy. If their health care is so terrible, why do they put up with it? And: How many Canadians would trade their health system for the one in the U.S., which costs almost double per capita but, in the end, produces less quality health care?

Meanwhile, for the real story on Canada’s system, go here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-mann/americans-whove-used-cana_b_215256.html

Some quotes:
“There’s another, factual view – by those of us Americans who’ve lived in Canada and used their system.
My wife and I did for years, and we’ve been incensed by the lies we’ve heard back here in the U.S. about Canada’s supposedly broken system.
It’s not broken – and what’s more, Canadians like and fiercely defend it.”

About callers to a Canadian radio program, commenting on a comprehensive study of the Canadian system: “For the next two hours, scores of Canadians called from across that vast country, from Newfoundland to British Columbia. Not one said he or she would change the system. Every single one defended it vigorously.”

Not long ago, the CBC asked Canadians to nominate and then vote for The Greatest Canadian in history. The winner? greatest Canadian ever? Tommy Douglas, a Canadian politician – and the father of Canadian universal health care.

Fred

August 29th, 2009
7:06 am

How many Canadians have to decide between going bankrupt or getting treatment for their child with a “pre-existing condition?” NONE!

If you would like to help pressure Congress to pass single payer health care please join our voting bloc at:
http://www.votingbloc.org/Health_Bloc.php

Michael H. Smith

August 29th, 2009
9:07 am

Interesting article, not exactly the kind of results some would like to see.

Health Insurance and Bankruptcy Rates in Canada and the United States

In a recent update to a previous study, Himmelstein et al (2009) concluded that in 2007, uninsured medical expenses or loss of income due to illness “caused” nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent) of all non-business bankruptcies in the United States. The authors blame this on America’s pluralistic health insurance system. Himmelstein and co-author Woolhandler are well-known proponents of Canada’s government-run, single-payer medical insurance system. The implicit assumption of their study is that a single-payer system would have prevented or significantly reduced the number of bankruptcies observed in the United States. Following this logic, we should expect to observe a lower rate of bankruptcy in Canada compared to the United States, all else being equal. Yet the most recent data shows that the non-business bankruptcy rate in Canada is statistically the same as it is in the United States.

http://www.fraserinstitute.org/researchandpublications/publications/6786.aspx

Reality check

August 29th, 2009
9:15 am

0.05% (that is not 5%, it is 0.05%) of Canadians can’t be wrong.

Michael H. Smith

August 29th, 2009
10:07 am

If only Obumer had made Bernie Madoff the healthcare czar the ponzi scheme of socialized-single payer-medicine would be a great success. One person with so many financially ruined former clients can’t be wrong.

clyde

August 29th, 2009
10:16 am

According to Bankruptcy Canada,the leading cause of bankruptcy there is job loss.The second on the list is divorce and third is job loss due to medical conditions.Being unable to work for an extended period of time.

toronto guy

August 29th, 2009
11:47 am

Canadian system is broken

They want to come to US for care

Visit http://www.fasterhealthcare.com and see for yourself

roger hughes

August 29th, 2009
1:14 pm

While the Cdn health system may not be perfect it does weed out those habitual. People taking up Dr time and running up. Health costs for every little ache and pain. As a visitor to Canada every year I have had nothing but the best and most efficient care when. Needed.