Police Run Roughshod Over Lawful Handgun Owner

No good deed goes unpunished — that’s a lesson George Boggs of Fayetteville, North Carolina, learned earlier this month when he voluntarily turned his handgun over to the local police for safe-keeping while he went into the hospital following an automobile wreck.  When Mr. Boggs (who maintains a valid concealed-carry permit for the handgun)  later attempted to retrieve his firearm, the police said, sorry, we’ve sent it out for ballistics testing and can’t give it back to you yet.

Apparently the police in North Carolina believe themselves empowered to retain a law-abiding citizen’s firearm, and test it to see if it matches any firearms or ammunition on which the police have records that were used in crimes, regardless of whether they have any suspicion whatsoever that the firearm is illegal or has ever been used in the commission of a crime.  And, the police do this even if the person has voluntarily and temporarily left a firearm with the police for safe keeping.  In this case also, the owner of the handgun did not want the firearm fired because it had never been fired since he purchased it new, and he believed its value would be diminished.

Tough luck, according to the law enforcement authorities; so long as they get a firearm — however they get a firearm — they keep it as long as they want to test it, and , if it matches ballistically with some record they have, they would keep it indefinitely.

So much for property rights.  So much for Fourth Amendment guarantees against unreasonable search and seizure.  And so much for being a good citizen.  When it comes to firearms, many law enforcement agencies believe they can do pretty much whatever they want, whenever they want, to whoever they want.

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Ben

August 27th, 2009
7:29 am

To Redneck–You might want to read closley your permit, where you can carry. If you bring a gun on school grounds to a PTA meeting, you will be arrested if it is found out you have it.
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Now it’s you who should read GA law more closely. It’s states that a person can carry a gun or any other weapon onto school grounds during the normal transaction of dropping someone off or picking them up. The weapon cannot be brought inside of the school but weapons are allowed on school grounds in the parking lot. Also, back in the middle 90s there was a federal “zero tolerance” type law that was passed to stop people from carrying guns onto school grounds; it was ruled to be unconstitutional by SCOTUS which kicked the problem backed to the states and as we all know state laws vary from one state to the other.

So be careful with blanket statement and assumptions.

Zip

August 27th, 2009
7:49 am

Just curious…..why would someone want to carry a gun that they have never fired? I carry my gun everywhere except to work and to Church and I train with it at least every couple weeks. Anyone who carries a firearm should be intimately familiar with it’s operation and reliability. Even though it angers me that the police would keep his weapon, I’m not unhappy that this fool is no longer armed.

dgroy

August 27th, 2009
8:00 am

Folks, the handgun handed in to the NC Police Department…..voluntarily, was private property!!!!! Entrusted to the PD for safe keeping……They had no right to fire the gun unless they had a warrant to do so. If we let them get away with this type of activity, they will continue this kind of activity and probably start to take away more and more of our rights. Bob Barr, a great American, keep informing the public……you’re doing us a great service.

Gregg

August 27th, 2009
8:28 am

Where were everyone that is so outraged against this when the Susan Smith (also in North Carolina) says she was car jacked by an African-American. Subsequently many of the men matching her description were brought in for questioning. Where was the outrage? Oh, that’s right that don’t count it’s just dem colored folks and all of dem done done sumting or anuther huh?
Secondly, If he purchased the weapon, not knowing Mr Barr, where he purchased it from? He may have purchased it from someone who used it in the comission of a crime and he unknowingly purchased it. If a crime was solved from this would there be an argument?

clyde

August 27th, 2009
8:36 am

Gregg,
The people of North Carolina were still trying to defend their LaCrosse?? team.They’ll get around to Susan Smith soon enough.

John

August 27th, 2009
8:45 am

Now, let me make sure I’ve got this correct. The guy had a concealed carry permit, carried it with him at the time of an accident, but had never fired the weapon? Never had he taken it to the range to check out the weapon or to get any practice? Any that is responsible gun use?
Doesn’t quite add up to me.
BTW, I do think that the police should have had a probable cause before they examined it.

Jimbo

August 27th, 2009
9:08 am

Gregg,

It doesn’t matter whether it was used in a crime or not. The man has rights, just like those black men you were talking about have rights, just like everyone has rights. If I knew you committed a crime in my heart of hearts and beat a confession out of you, that would be a violation of your rights. If they discovered that this gun was used in a crime I doubt this guy would even get indicted because the police used improper procedure and violated this man’s rights. The police are undermining the law, not enforcing it, when they do crap like this.

Papi

August 27th, 2009
9:20 am

Without question, this man had his 4th amendment rights trampled on. Please note the actual language of the law. “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized – illegal search and seizure.” What part of this is so difficult to understand? When we, or the police, start making excuses to violate these rights – like it MIGHT solve a crime – we start down a very dangerous road filled with endless excuses to shred the Constitution and The Bill of Rights.

ramblwrk68

August 27th, 2009
9:46 am

Well, if I buy a brand-spanking new semi-automatic, I’d like to to know it’s been test-fired to see if the slide and magazine actually WORK! A revolver I can test without bullets, not a semi.

Regards the 4th amend., I wonder how many US voters know that they INVITE a law-enforcement authority in their home, they have just given a carte-blanche search warrant inside those walls to said authority?

Jimbo

August 27th, 2009
9:55 am

That’s not necessarily true, there have been cases about locked rooms and what not. Officers can observe their surroundings but they can’t just go rummaging around without permission.

David S

August 27th, 2009
10:09 am

There is nothing about the government police that involves the safety of the american citizen.

James

August 27th, 2009
10:18 am

Don’t mean to bash all cops- have had lots of exprnc. when ovr. rd. trk. drvr. But never ever trust an officer until he proves himself first. How that happens is up to you.Texas= Two Mex. American brothers one commits a robery where someone was killed both arrested the purp escapes after trial where both convicted. Purp confesses-brother in jail had wittneses to inosense. Purp gets suronded commits suicide by police. Brother in jail getts executed.Even after overwellming proof of inocense.
DON”T TRUST THE POLICE. They almost always carry something they can drop on you if they feel the need. Pls. don’t get me wrong here I know quit a few officers and most are as honest as the day is long.Just don’t piss em off.Be polite and if you’re wrong–you’re wrong-man up and deal with it.

Papi

August 27th, 2009
10:56 am

The issue is whether this man had his rights violated by THIS officer or THIS police dept – not whether or not we can trust ANY police officer. Like James said, most officers are honest and genuinely interested in protecting our rights – not abusing our rights. The biggest threat to our constituional rights is our politicians – not our police officers. But sometimes we do encounter a bad cop (as apparently we have here) just like we encounter bad teachers, bad clergy members, bad parents, and bad politicians. Let’s not push this forum into something that condemns (or supports) all police officers because of the actions of a small over-zealous police unit.

Jimbo

August 27th, 2009
11:23 am

Papi,

As long as you bear in mind that it was Atlanta Police Officers who lied to get a no-knock on house that had not drugs in it, shot an old lady, then tried to plant drugs to get out of trouble. While corruption amongst police agencies may not be systemic, it is widespread, and it is an issue.

Papi

August 27th, 2009
11:46 am

Jimbo – Not sure I would agree police corruption is “widespread” but it would make a great forum discussion on another day. The issue here is what happened to one man in Fayetteville, NC and whether or not this police dept was out of control and out of touch with our constitution. Personally, I plan to write the mayor and chief of police to express my concern. Wrapping up a complete bundle of police corruption issues around the country into my letter will probably get my concerns dismissed. For now, I’ll keep the focus on the issue at hand.

Ric Wiley

August 27th, 2009
12:02 pm

Just dropping a line to stop all the assumptions about this story, because we all know what happens when we ass-u-me. I listen to the NRA NEWS station daily, and they interveiwed Mr. Boggs on Wed.. He was not carrying the gun for any purpose, he had just bought the gun in July and had not been to the range yet to fire it, not sure why it was in the car, he didn’t say, but it wasn’t being carried for self defense He had bought it at a gun store and it was brand new, and he had not had a chance to fire it yet. After getting out of the hospital he went to the police station with the receipt from the store to get his gun back and, well you know what happened after that.And yes he is going to sue the city police dept. for violating, at the very least, his 4th admendment right. FYI Mr. Boggs is a 70 yr. old, retired Army SGT. so I’m guessing he know’s about handling & carrieing a firearm, sorry if I ruined some of your idiotic assumption’s.

Hillbilly Deluxe

August 27th, 2009
12:57 pm

Where were everyone that is so outraged against this when the Susan Smith (also in North Carolina) says she was car jacked by an African-American

That happened in South Carolina; a different state than North Carolina.

I had a relative who was killed in a car wreck back in the 60’s. The Deputy’s found a pistol in the glove box and carried it with them when they went to notify the next of kin. The Deputy said “I wanted to make sure y’all got this and it didn’t get stolen at the salvage yard”. My how times have changed.

clyde

August 27th, 2009
4:04 pm

Ric Wiley,
Thanks for the information.

William Tipton

August 27th, 2009
4:41 pm

“Just dropping a line to stop all the assumptions about this story, because we all know what happens when we ass-u-me. I listen to the NRA NEWS station daily, and they interveiwed Mr. Boggs on Wed.. He was not carrying the gun for any purpose, he had just bought the gun in July and had not been to the range yet to fire it, not sure why it was in the car, he didn’t say, but it wasn’t being carried for self defense He had bought it at a gun store and it was brand new, and he had not had a chance to fire it yet. After getting out of the hospital he went to the police station with the receipt from the store to get his gun back and, well you know what happened after that.And yes he is going to sue the city police dept. for violating, at the very least, his 4th admendment right. FYI Mr. Boggs is a 70 yr. old, retired Army SGT. so I’m guessing he know’s about handling & carrieing a firearm, sorry if I ruined some of your idiotic assumption’s.
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I figured there was more to the story.
Never assume someone is a liar unless given good reason to….

owlafaye

August 27th, 2009
5:13 pm

clyde: “To a cop a citizen is just another suspect.The days when a cop was friendly and helpful are long past.The less you have to do with poice today,the better off you are.George Boggs knows this now……………you are OH SO RIGHT. Get to know your sheriff, not the town cops.

Yankee

August 27th, 2009
6:32 pm

So Bob, what ya paying for health ins. these days? How bout a story on the deal you gave yourselves?

Jim

August 27th, 2009
7:15 pm

@Eric: Why carry a jack and spare tire around in your car? The odds are you won’t get a flat on the way home from work.

Unless you’re going out looking for nails to run over…

fed up w/Yankee

August 27th, 2009
7:28 pm

Bob gets no benefits from his service as a congressman. All those great perks were eliminated by that revolutionary class ‘94. No retirement, no health insurance, no travel perks – nothing! He pays over $500 a month to his wife’s employer to cover what they do not pay for her and for coverage for him.

mpercy

August 27th, 2009
9:23 pm

Here’s some details (you too could google for 30s to find this)

George Boggs thought he was doing police a favor last week when he handed over the firearm he kept in his car after he was in a wreck.

Boggs has a permit to carry a concealed weapon, and he wanted his handgun secured while he went to the hospital, he said. The permit requires him to notify police of his weapon.

On Monday, when he went to the Fayetteville Police Department to retrieve his gun, he couldn’t get it back. He was told that police first wanted to fire the gun to see if the spent shell casing and round would match data in a nationwide ballistics inventory used to solve crimes.

The gun is scheduled to be test-fired today, he was told.

Boggs complained to police supervisors that his new gun has never been fired. The ballistics test, he said, would diminish the value of the .45-caliber Taurus Millennium he bought last month for $399 at a local gun store.

He said the city is violating his Fourth Amendment rights that protect him from unreasonable searches and seizures.

Police defend their decade-old policy of checking most handguns that come into their custody – no matter the reason – to see if they have been used in a crime. They say public safety outweighs any inconvenience to the owner.

Boggs said he did nothing wrong. He was not arrested. The gun was not taken from a crime scene. The other driver in the Aug. 14 accident was cited, a police report says.

“If they can get away with this, then they can get away with other things,” he said.

Boggs, 70, is a retired Army sergeant first class who is running for City Council this fall against incumbent Robert Massey in District 3. He said his fight over the police policy is not politically motivated.

Sgt. John Somerindyke said in situations such as this, police can’t assume a weapon has never been used.

“We have to be consistent with our policy,” he said. “We have had some hits doing this.”

Somerindyke said that since 2003, the ballistics tests have identified 32 guns that were used in crimes in Cumberland County.

Since 1999, the Police Department has sent most handguns taken into custody to the Cumberland County Sheriff’s Office, where the ballistics examination is done free for law enforcement agencies. The information is entered into the Integrated Ballistics Identification System, which is like a database of fingerprints for guns. Shell casings recovered at crime scenes can be matched with guns previously entered into the database.

Since January, the police agency has sent 331 guns and 315 shell casings and rounds to the Sheriff’s Office for testing.

Boggs said he is talking with officials at the National Rifle Association about his situation. A representative of the NRA could not be reached for comment this week.

Tiffanie Sneed, the Police Department’s lawyer, said the gun-testing policy helps make the community safer. People sometimes buy guns not knowing they have been used in crimes. The weapons are returned to their owners if the tests show they were not used in crimes, she said.

“Due to the gravity of the subject matter, we don’t deviate from this policy, as long as the weapon meets the IBIS criteria,” she said.

Boggs said others with concealed-weapon permits could be less likely to tell police they have a gun, for fear of it being taken and tested.

According to Debbie Tanna, a Sheriff’s Office spokeswoman, all firearms are tested at the factory before being sent to dealers. Bernard Barr, who helps manage Guns Plus in Spring Lake, said he doesn’t believe that’s true. Some manufacturers don’t test weapons before shipping them, he said. That includes the Taurus Millennium model that Boggs bought, he said.

Barr said firing a new weapon for ballistics doesn’t necessarily lower its value.

Barr said he personally has no qualms with the police testing weapons seized as evidence – but not guns voluntarily surrendered for safe-keeping.

“It’s like taking DNA from every citizen,” he said. “Why investigate something that is not a crime? It just doesn’t make sense.”

DAVNRA

August 28th, 2009
5:01 am

As a CCW permit holder, NRA Pistol Instructor, a NC Concealed Carry Instructor, retired U.S. Army Military Police Sergeant and former Deputy Sheriff in NC, I am surprised at Mr. Boggs’ actions and attitude. 1) All firearms to my knowledge are factory test fired and handguns of recent times come with an expended shell casing. 2) I encourage (very strongly)( not required by law) that the CCW student bring to class/range the handgun they intend to carry for self-defense. All my former students are aware that proficiency and training under classroom environment, coped with the proper attitude can serve them well should they even have to discharge a firearm in self-defense. Civil liability is another issue. As an NC resident in a state that has an open-carry law, I would have left my firearm locked in my vehicle, preferably the trunk before entering the hospital. The law in NC requires a CCW permit holder to inform police if an officer approaches you (the operative words here are approaches you) that you are a permit holder and are currently armed. You are not required to walk up to an officer and just give him/her the firearm. I walk by police officers all the time while armed and they never know it. I am not required to tell them unless they approach me. That means if I am pulled over in my vehicle or a police officer approaches me on foot. This law does not apply if I am on my own property, I can carry it concealed at home and not inform anyone that I am armed, police officers included.
I am a second shift worker and I was standing on my front porch last night after work when I distinctly heard (2) shots. They were close and sounded like a large caliber pistol. I had my .45 Defender on my side and I stepped into my house to retrieve and load one of my .30 cal Rifle, M-1 a.k.a. M1 Garand. My oldest daughter called 911. When the officer arrived I flagged him down and informed him that I was the complainant and the direction the sounds emanated from. Once he checked it out and returned to my front yard. He noticed the 8 round clip hanging in my blue jeans pocket and inquired. I told him that when I investigate shots fired near my house I come out with a rifle and handgun for backup. The shotgun remains my inside primary defense firearm. I did not let the officer see my rifle when he first arrived, I did not know his attitude in advance and I would hate to shoot an officer while I am standing on my property legally armed and get fired upon. I would instinctively return fire and it would get really ugly from a legal standpoint from there forward, I know, I know someone will take the officers side and say that I should not be outside in such a situation. Most of my adult life was spent in law enforcement and for me to be armed in shaky situations is as natural as rain to me. In a situation where I called the incident in and standing on my property “NO” one is going to put me, a Disabled Veteran, that has a real bad time getting up off of the ground; on the ground on my own property. Say what you will but I will use force to resist an unlawful detention and/or arrest. The law (mostly case law) provides for that type of resistance. Up to and including resisting to a point where and officer loses their life in the process. Down believe me: Google resist unlawful arrests.
I informed the office that should I hear gunfire from his direction, I would be responding to help and not to fire on me. He thanked me and checked another street in the neighborhood and found nothing. He thanked me and left; this occurred in the early morning hours of August 27, 2009 in Fayetteville, NC I almost forgot the link to lawful resist to unlawful arrests. http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/defunlaw.htm
One last comment: I am not a spring chicken; however, I have a lot of fight left in me. I will not be a victim of criminals in the form of criminals or in the form of law enforcement officers. I will go out of my way to assist a fellow officer and I will draw a line that they may not cross. I do not use illegal drugs and I am not involved in any criminal activity; therefore, should the police mistakenly ever try to breach my locked and barred doors, it will be an ugly sight indeed. The stories you read about where officers raid the wrong house, kill the dog or the 81 year old female resident will not happen on my property. This is not the bragging or ranting of an uneducated fool, but a patriot that took an oath many years ago to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America from “ALL” enemies, foreign and domestic, I have blown my steam and feel better, but I have not lost my patriotism or courage…

Stratta

August 28th, 2009
7:48 am

If someone wants to take one of your guns give them the bullets first!

fang 1944 buddy

August 28th, 2009
9:10 am

Julie

August 28th, 2009
9:32 am

Good grief. Neither of my two pistols came with a spent casing or anything other than case, pistol, and magazine. Which doesn’t mean some don’t come with one, just that not all do. While all guns coming off the line may have been test fired, a collectible gun may not have been fired in a long time, and collectors are weird–that kind of thing can matter to a future purchaser. Who said the gun was for self protection? He may just have been transporting it from the point of sale or similar and had the bad luck to have a car accident. This kind of incident doesn’t happen every day, anyway, so don’t quote BS about odds.

What offends me is not just the police, but the ordinary citizens who think that if they don’t like somebody else having some item or don’t like somebody else doing some specific legal thing that it’s okay for the police to casually inflict whatever indignities they please on the other guy.

Freedom means other people get to do things you don’t like, and they get to do them without being harassed by the police.

Julie

August 28th, 2009
9:41 am

In case some of the obnoxious folks didn’t get the point: none of us do everything on our neighbors’ list of pet peeves, but every single one of us has some liking, preference, quirk or attribute near and dear to our hearts that a majority of our fellow citizens just loathes.

If we outlaw every pet peeve that has a majority against it, we all end up living in a society that is stiflingly oppressive, with the laws enforced by petty jackboots–because in such a society, petty jackboots are the only people who are able to stomach a law enforcement job.

People who are fine with this guy’s property rights being abused, just because they don’t like what he does, don’t want to be harassed by the cops for their own quirks. They just want to be the some pigs who are more equal than others. (Orwell, Animal Farm) Life doesn’t work that way. When you abuse the other guy, you shoot yourself in the butt over your own cherished, obnoxious little habits.

Bob

August 28th, 2009
1:04 pm

My really nice gold cross pen was stolen off the student desk I was using while going through the police academy.

Alex

August 28th, 2009
2:02 pm

Hey, welcome to post 9-11 America. A place where the Fourth Amendment is a casuality of the War on Drugs and the War on Terror (or “terrrr” as Dubya pronounced it). Nowadays, everyone is guilty until proven innocent. Mr. Boggs should be proud and happy to have the opportunity to have his precious Roscoe proven innocent and to show what a fine, upstanding citizen he is. What’s he whining about anyway?
It does seem a little odd that Mr. Boggs carries a gun he doesn’t want fired. What does he do if he is attacking by a gang of pot smoking terrorists? He can’t shoot them because then his gun would be all dirty and not as valuable. A conundrum indeed.

CM

August 28th, 2009
2:13 pm

“the police said, sorry, we’ve sent it out for ballistics testing and can’t give it back to you yet.”

This could be just a stall technique. The gun may not have made it into official police storage.

Meanwhile, the police unit is trying to figure out how to get the gun turned in by one or their officers, belatedly and unofficially. Then, the unit will conveniently happen to find it, avoiding the need to discipline whoever didn’t turn it in. The unit will give it back to Mr. Boggs, and hope he drops the issue or “where was it”; avoiding any follow-up investigation, the potential discipline of one or more officers, and whatever other bad press would come from this event.

CM

August 28th, 2009
2:28 pm

What should Mr. Boggs have done?

Was there a tow-truck driver, who took possession of Mr. Boggs car while we went to the hospital? What rules apply to the tow–truck driver for protection of the car owner’s personal property, and should they be the same rules applied to police unit’s temporarily storing personal property?

Similar question for hospital policy and rules. Would they have a secure place for high value personal positions, say for at least 6 hours (or the duration of being unconscious in an operating room) until hospital staff can turn over aid possessions to a relative, or other person(s) designated by the admittee?

Future CCW courses will likely need to comment on events like this.

Nuther-Steve

August 28th, 2009
3:21 pm

Actually, I know of several hospitals that have a secure lockup area just for that purpose. Just like several court houses.

Not stupid quarter grabber public lockers, either. Actual keyed compartments located within the security/cops office, and a login-logout process.

Nuther-Steve

August 28th, 2009
3:39 pm

Take a look at Washington State RCW 9.41.300

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.300

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…In addition, the local legislative authority shall provide either a stationary locked box sufficient in size for pistols and key to a weapon owner for weapon storage, or shall designate an official to receive weapons for safekeeping, during the owner’s visit to restricted areas of the building. The locked box or designated official shall be located within the same building used in connection with court proceedings. The local legislative authority shall be liable for any negligence causing damage to or loss of a weapon either placed in a locked box or left with an official during the owner’s visit to
restricted areas of the building.

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(7) Subsection (1)(a) of this section does not apply to a person licensed pursuant to RCW 9.41.070 who, upon entering the place or facility, directly and promptly proceeds to the administrator of the facility or the administrator’s designee and obtains written permission to possess the firearm while on the premises or checks his or her firearm. The person may reclaim the firearms upon leaving but must immediately and directly depart from the place or facility…
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Might be an example for people to point to for getting legislation in other states that actually protect the gun owner/CWP..

[...] One Gun He’ll Never See Again 28 08 2009 Bob Barr, writing in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Police Run Roughshod Over Lawful Handgun [...]

Dave

August 29th, 2009
9:21 am

Interesting that the police would think a gun that has never been fired might have been used in a crime.

Doug Stewart

August 29th, 2009
10:10 am

Over the past two years, I have purchased several new rifles and pistols (.22cal Mag, 9mm, .223cal, and now, this Ruger LCP .380). However, the only one that included a test-fired cartridge was the Ruger LCP which I recently bought on 8/21/09 to keep in my van (I have a CHP).

The police department acted illegally in testing this weapon without cause, and should be sued. Police today are slow learners, and need to lose big in order to better learn about the Second Amendment.

Wade Onin

August 29th, 2009
12:34 pm

In the newspaper article about this incident, posted above by mpercy, gun store manager Bernard Barr gets it right when he says he personally has no qualms with the police testing weapons seized as evidence – but not guns voluntarily surrendered for safe-keeping.
Also according to that story, 32 guns they’ve tested have been determined to have been used in a crime.
That’s great. But the glaring omission in this story is, how many of those 32 guns had been legally seized as evidence, and how many were voluntarily given to police for safekeeping because the gun’s owner was injured in a car wreck or some other non-gun, non-crime related emergency?
Clearly, Boggs’ rights were violated 1) when the police didn’t immediately return the firearm upon request, and 2) when the police tested the gun.
Really, even if all 32 gun matches were from firearms voluntarily given to police for safekeeping, all 32 of those court cases should be thrown out or overturned on constitutional grounds.

Jeff Cannon

August 29th, 2009
3:25 pm

Eric wrote on 26 Aug / 5:12 pm: “….Why carry a gun at all? The odds are incredibly low you’d get shot or have an occasion to shoot another person anyway….”
Well, Eric, you should do your homework before braying like a jackass. According to DOJ and FBI records uncovered by the highly credible scientist John Lott, legally armed citizens prevent crimes from occurring at least one million times a year in the USA–without firing a shot. On two occasions over 30 years ago I prevented several intoxicated, angry, would-be assailants from doing me harm simply by showing them I was armed. Their ringleaders later apologized.

Considering the pressure for pro-homosexual courses in schools and the upcoming requirement for all Americans to carry government-approved health insurance, perhaps it’s time to mandate training in firearm handling and safety in all schools. The NRA Basic Rifle course, with some instruction blocks covering handguns and shotguns, would be just the ticket. Imagine living in a nation with fewer laws, less leftist histrionics and more reliance on individual responsibility!!

TNinfidel

August 29th, 2009
4:01 pm

Never, ever trust the police. They are mostly corrupt.

TNinfidel

August 29th, 2009
4:04 pm

An example of a fine law enforcement officer – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIKPKjl0-pg

Alan Gordon

August 30th, 2009
12:29 pm

Do you remember the bumper sticker” You can have my weapon, when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers”
If you dont like guns, weapons, pistols and knives then go to Masschusetts and have fellowship with the Kennedys(or what is left of them or you could move to Kalifornia) and other surviving politicians. But remember this, you don’t want to be the one to collect all the guns and what not from the Southern Rednecks as they will not give them up willfully.I will not be left defenseless against criminals or terrorists because of a political moron. Have a nice day

crowe N.C. resident

August 30th, 2009
1:09 pm

The law BROKE the law. Take them to court!

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Phil

August 31st, 2009
9:28 am

That’s why you don’t give your property to the government, police or politicians. They steal, cheat, lie, and take your stuff. They don’t know the constitution, so why would they abide by it? And even though some may know, there is no accountability for them. Just us. By the way, I’m not speaking about all police or all politicians. There are a few that are good.

gaynell plummer

September 1st, 2009
9:38 pm

there will come a day when we will all be scrambling to get our weapons. Seems to me folks are so involved in themselves that they don’t see their world getting smaller and smaller. Police and the agencies that are suppose to protect us have all gone over the top and have abandoned structure and forgotten that they are servants of the people. There is far to much power in all the hands of the wrong and sometimes dangerous agencies. WAKE UP PEOPLE

Well Said Bob Barr

September 8th, 2009
9:24 am

Bob, I like your column, and agree 100% with you about the illegal manner in which Mr. Bogg’s gun has been withheld.

I don’t know how a clear-thinking patriot such as yourself can deal such bone-headed speculations and comments from “the public” who obviously have no gun ownership experience or knowledge of guns.

Do what you can to get O’merica back on track quickly with the US Constitution for a long future as a Republic, the Land of the Free, and Home of the Brave.

PS – the O’czars have to go! Their power is unconstitutional.

Travis Hamlin

October 7th, 2009
6:06 pm

Bob,

Before you call the man stupid for giving his gun the the police Consider this,
I had a wreck 3 years ago when someone ran a stop sign and rolled my truck. The windows broke out and my handgun flew out on the street in its case. I was unable to get out of my truck and retreave it. I ask a man to get my gun and give it to the police when they got there because I was afraid it would fall into the hands of the wrong person. When the police came to the hospital I showed him my conceal carry permit and ask if the man gave him my gun. He said yes and I could pick it up when I was ready. When I was released from the hospital I went by and picked it up without any hassle from the police. However, They did unload it and that was OK with me. What I am saying is that there can be reasons to ask the police to hold one for you.

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don

October 20th, 2009
11:14 pm

Some staes requaer that the manufacturer sen a spent test caltrige. whend the weapon is sold by the dealer the dealer must send the caltrige to the state forensic lab to keep in case the weapon is use in a crime. Loke it up!