Health care Never Never Land

In “Sicko,” iconoclastic filmmaker Michael Moore extols the virtue of health care in such liberal “paradises” as the United Kingdom and Cuba. Leaving his audience to wonder where he would choose to go for treatment if he were facing a life-threatening illness — the People’s Hospital in Havana or the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn. — Moore exhibits the same Alice-in-Wonderland delusion that has settled over the Obama administration.

A majority of members of Congress, too, seem to believe that if only enough bureaucracy and taxpayer dollars are thrown at the health care “crisis,” then everyone in the country will have their every medical need met, when they want it, and at much reduced cost. Such a mind set turns Peter Pan’s Never Never Land into a reality show.

For starters, advocates of the House legislation might want to talk to governors of those states, like Massachusetts, that have already implemented “universal” coverage plans. Increasing program costs, coupled with decreased state revenues as a result of the economic downturn, are causing serious fiscal problems and are forcing those states to consider cutbacks in coverage.

However, witnessing the irrational, “gotta-do-this-now” push in our nation’s capitol to pass comprehensive health care “reform” within the next few weeks, it is obvious the proponents of Obama-care are not interested in anyone throwing the cold water of fiscal reality on their parade.

The House version of the legislation, unveiled by Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) last week, includes substantial mandates on American businesses (including a severe, 8 percent payroll tax on any business that fails to offer health insurance coverage to its employees). Still, the Pollyannaish Pelosi claimed (with a straight face) it would “lower costs to businesses.” This is government logic at its finest — you lower the cost of doing business by raising taxes on those businesses.

Pelosi’s obvious inability to grasp even the most basic of economic concepts was further displayed when she claimed that the “costs to consumers,” too, would be lowered. Apparently, this would be accomplished by placing a new surtax on those American consumers whose income exceeded the levels deemed worthy by the legislators.

Analysts of the 1,000-plus page legislation calculate its 10-year cost to exceed $1 trillion. Other experts fear such a figure greatly underestimates its true cost. Even the Congressional Budget Office calculates that the government subsidy for health care coverage will amount to some $6,000 per person within the next decade, which figures to more than $1.8 trillion.

Pelosi’s bill would also create a government-run insurance plan to compete with private insurers. Such a scenario, of course, is never a fair “competition,” because the government “owner” can always print money, spend borrowed money indefinitely, operate without regard for cost-benefit analysis, and threaten legal sanctions for those who fail to comply. None of these remedies are available to businesses (except, of course, for the “new” General Motors).

The smoke-and-mirrors approach is evident also in the fact that high-income taxpayers, who would already be taxed in order to pay for the “universal” coverage for their less-well-off compatriots, would face escalating taxes if the government fails in the years ahead to achieve targeted “savings” in Medicaid and Medicare. In other words, the government will set “savings targets,” but if it fails to meet them, it is taxpayers who will pay the penalty, not those members of Congress or federal bureaucrats who decide how much to spend on the entitlement programs.

Other industries, including pharmaceuticals, will face increased taxes as well, in order to pay for this “reform.” The more successful drug makers will pay a higher percentage tax than their smaller, less successful colleagues. Once again, success in the business arena is punished in the government arena.

Truly, this bill is a monstrosity.

93 comments Add your comment

TW

July 20th, 2009
7:05 am

How come the Democrats are the only ones offering solutions? All we get out of the rightwing is a bunch of complaining. But…maybe that’s a good thing, as we’ve seen what happens when ya’ll are in charge. No thanks.

I’m just saying, you guys trashed the place with your party, now if your not gonna help clean up your mess, at least sit there and shut-up.

God I miss the real Republican Party. Back when ‘conservative’ did not mean ’spoiled teenager.’

dgroy

July 20th, 2009
7:37 am

Thank you Bob Barr, a Great American, for trying to inform America about this obvious travesty of partisan politics and about the raping of America. Socialism is on the way folks…..get ready.

The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar

July 20th, 2009
7:54 am

Some cheese with all that whine whine whine, Mr. Barr?

8% is not severe, it is a lot less than what you’d pay for decent health insurance, and a whole lot easier than dealing with insurance companies, who will cancel your employees’ health insurance if you’re late with payments.

TW is right, all you neo-cons do is moan and complain, and the current system is a disaster…

hop

July 20th, 2009
7:55 am

why do many people around the world come to the america for health treatment because socialize medicine is a total failure and our healthcare is the best in the world .

most americans want to keep their current coverage,the percentage is over 70% in the latest poll,but these misguided dems want to change the entire healthcare and they have no clue what the cost is going to be .

why is the economy not on the forefront of this adminstration because when you raise taxes as much as what the dems want that will reduce jobs even more and this recession will be even longer.

this administration is looking more and more like jimmy carter,when we had double digit unemployment,inflation,interest, mortgage rates and jobs were very hard to find.

this is going to be a very long recession if these clowns in washington do not wake up!

this subject needs to be throughly thought out especially by the ameircan people.

Skip

July 20th, 2009
7:58 am

Who pays for Bob’s healthcare?

Skip

July 20th, 2009
8:02 am

And please put to rest the myth that we have the best care. We may have the best money can buy, if you have all the money.

Over Taxed - Under Represented

July 20th, 2009
8:08 am

Help stop this runaway train before it is too late! If not for yourself, then for your children and grandchildren. I plan to call my Congressman and Senators TODAY….(here is the link to find the contact info for your Congressional reps: http://www.congress.org/congressorg/directory/congdir.tt)
and tell them to at least SLOW DOWN, and read/discuss/debate these monumental changes to our society that will irrevocably change this country forever — this is too important to RUSH THROUGH as the Administration is doing. Regardless of whether you are a Dem, Repub, Libertarian or Independent, you should urge your representatives to stop this headlong, insane rush into an irreversible decision. If we were going to war, impeaching a president, confirming a Supreme Court Justice, or doing anything else remotely close to this grand of a scale like Healthcare, there would be LOTS more debate and SHINING THE LIGHT OF TRUTH on this issue. If it is a good bill, it should pass, but IF IT IS A BAD BILL, then it should be voted down — BUT EITHER WAY, IT SHOULD BE READ, AND THE CURRENT AND FUTURE COSTS UNDERSTOOD BY EVERYONE, PRIOR TO VOTING !! Many in Congress are willing to pass this without reading the bold print, much less the fine print– just because the Administration says “we need to pass this, NOW… Trust Us”. Let’s not be sheep blindly led to slaughter. Please, Call &/or write your Congressional Reps…. TODAY. And if they do not listen, then we vote the bums out, en masse in next year’s election. Pass this contact information along to everyone you know to get in touch with their representatives and insist that these bills get properly debated and not rail-roaded through….

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/directory/congdir.tt

Jim

July 20th, 2009
8:23 am

TW, you’re an idiot. The solution is to LEAVE IT ALONE. Mr. Barr, and most Americans, realize that’s the solution.

Oh, and Mr. Barr is not a Republican anymore either. You fail on two levels!

Copyleft

July 20th, 2009
8:24 am

Hop: “Why do people around the world come to the america for health treatment”

I notice you left out the key word–RICH. Why do so many RICH people come to America for treatment? Easy–because we’ve got the best healthcare system in the world for people who can afford it.

As for the rest of America (and the world)… well, it’s their own fault they can’t afford healthcare, right? They made “poor choices” and deserve to sicken and die.

jt

July 20th, 2009
8:40 am

The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar

July 20th, 2009
7:54 am
Some cheese with all that whine whine whine, Mr. Barr?

Mr. Barr does not need your goverment cheese.

Likewise, because he is not afraid of “dealing” with insurance companies, he does not need your advice on how to suckle the federal teat.

Just because you admire a president that throws a baseball like a GIRL, doesn’t mean that everyone else is as helpless as you.

Thank you.

Skip

July 20th, 2009
8:52 am

The “U.S. Office of Personnel Mgt.” site spills the beans on Barr. He gets to keep his health ins. from when he represented the “people. Still gets it for less than $300.00 a month. Good plan if you could get it.

GB

July 20th, 2009
9:02 am

Why is the high cost of “health care” universally seen as a problem? We are not paying more for the same things: we are buying things that were not previously available. Health care was cheaper when today’s drugs and advanced surgical procedures did not exist. We spend a lot more on computers than we did 25 years ago, but no one considers that to be a crisis.

Reno

July 20th, 2009
9:24 am

Calling Bob Barr a NeoCon is like calling your argument sound and well researched, TW.

Name one efficient government model. Not even the IRS, whose sole purpose is to take our money is inefficient. Putting our Government in control of our health is like putting an epileptic in scrubs and sending him to do surgery in a room full of strobe lights.

And your comment about whining and use polarizing statements like “your party.”

Seriously, who comes off as the child here? If you knew anything about whats really happening, you’d know that the leaders of Republican Party and Democratic Party have been basically in bed with each other against the best interests of the American people for the better part of 8-9 years.

Its only because neo-cons spend like traditional democrats, are we in this mess you refer to so eloquently.

Reinforcing my point, the Left-Right Paradigm is a facade, sir.

This bill will bankrupt us and people will be left with nothing better than medicaid.

Worse off, diluted thinkers will be too stubborn to admit it and convince themselves everything is lovely.

The current system isn’t great. The insurance companies have been able to work without enough real competition (from congressional meddling and lobbying) to make it flawed. But a flawed system is better than an expensive doomed one.

jconservative

July 20th, 2009
9:31 am

Nice article on the House plan.
Two points. 1. The House plan will not survive the Conference Committee.
2. Something must be done to reduce the cost of medical care in this country. If not, we will end up with a Canada-type plan within 10 years. The cost of medical insurance is growing 12 to 18 percent per year on American businesses – and that is where most of us get our medical insurance. If this growth in cost continues businesses will start to drop coverage for employees. Some businesses are already looking at a scenario of dropping coverage and giving employees a raise of about 40% of the company portion of medical insurance. The idea is that the employee can then go buy his own policy.

If this starts happening on a large scale the voters will demand some type of Canada remedy. Remember, when voters realized that they were ultimately in charge of federal spending we started with the tax cuts & rebates that finally led to the 10 trillion dollar deficit. You do remember the “Surplus” and getting a check from the “govmint” don’t you?
When the voters realize they are in charge of health care – we will have Canada.

Mark

July 20th, 2009
9:34 am

Mr Barr and his ilk, harping at the cost of the health care proposal, avoid the one fundamental fact. There is, at any given time, X number of people in the nation who need medical attention, and it would cost Y amount of $ to treat them. It is no wonder that when the X number includes more people, the Y number also becomes higher. There are ways to decrease the costs. What the proponents of status quo ignore is that among them would be to remove the profits of the insurance companies, and eliminate the expenses of doctors to keep up with the enormous multitude of insurance plans with different conditions.
It is a gimmick of those peddling products to show the cost not as a whole but “per month” or “per day.” Mr. Barr uses something of a reverse gimmick: the government subsidy for health care would cost “some $6,000 per person within the next decade.” Why not say $600 per year? Condiser it as a percentage of average annual income. Is that so unreasonable for eliminating the plight of so many millions of people?

Get Real

July 20th, 2009
9:35 am

We fought the Iraq war for $1.8 Trillion. Which would’ve been a better use of that money? Healthcare or Iraq. Would love to see quotes from Mr. Barr back in 2003 prior to the invasion.

jstrick

July 20th, 2009
9:57 am

This article is the monstrosity. Never in the entire thing do you bring up how much we are currently paying for health care. Offer up some solutions to small businesses and people who either don’t have or can’t affor health care under the current system. It makes no sense to complain about the bill but offer nothing to our problems. Under our current system, folks are dying because they don’t have access to care or can’t afford to go get routine checkups. What’s the answer to that? Maybe the bill doesn’t do that but I’d just like to hear some solutions not just whining about the bill.

[...] Bob Barr takes you to health care Never-never land. [...]

Rickster

July 20th, 2009
10:19 am

If we’re subsidizing health care to the tune of $6,000 per person, heck… just pay that money to insurance companies to underwrite private insurance for everyone!

Copyleft

July 20th, 2009
10:46 am

The current plan is flawed not because it goes too far, but because it doesn’t go far ENOUGH.

We need a simple, cheap, efficient single-payer system like every other industrialized nation on earth has. This halfway bill, designed to appease the insurance lobbyists rather than dismantle their industry, is complicated and unwieldy.

In other words, the current plan should be opposed–but for the exact OPPOSITE reason that Barr gives.

booger

July 20th, 2009
11:02 am

Get Real,

The cost of the Iraq war will be $694 billion by the end of this fiscal year, not $1.8 trillion.

Bob Werst

July 20th, 2009
11:08 am

Again, Bob Barr is all about complaining but offers no alternative solutions. Hey Bob, where were you back in 2003 when your man George W singed the MMA, the $1.2 trillion Medicare boondoggle which prohibits the Federal government from negotiating discounts with drug companies. Now there was a real monstrosity!

TechLover

July 20th, 2009
11:16 am

jt:When Bush kissed King Abdullah, which one was the Girl? Rickster The hosptal I work for claims that our isurance coverage is over $20K per year. Yeah, right. Of course if you deny coverage, they won’t increase your salary by that amount. The plan offers government provided INSURANCE, not government run healthcare ala Canada. One of the reasons healthcare costs are climbing so rapidly is that so many people are uninsured or underinsured. Even with insurance you can be left owing thousands after copays and what the insurance company won’t cover. People cant afford to pay so the costs are shifted to those who can. I have ankylosing spondylitis (look it up, to long to explain). One of my treatments costs over $12,000 each, due very 6 weeks. I’m lucky in that the hospital covers 100% of our outpatient treatments, but who the h*ll can afford that without insurance other than the extremely wealthy. Even if you have insurance and have a common 20% copay you would e responsible for over $20K per year, not counting any other medical costs you may have. It’s a freaking racket ad those who are profitting the most are the ones who are so dead set against change. Look up Rick Scott, the guy behind the Conservatives for Patient’s Rights (sort of like the “Clean Skies” and “Healthy Forests” initiatives) that runs on Faux Gnus at least once every 30 minutes. Ex CEO of Columbia/HCA Healthcare. Booted by the board after they were fined $1.7 BILLION dollars for Medicare fraud. Now he’s the big spokesman for the evils of healthcare reform. Yeah, they like it like it is. They can get rich by scr*wing everyone with a little theft thrown in for good measure.

TechLover

July 20th, 2009
11:18 am

Sorry for all the typos. I have some hinckey keys on the laptop.

booger

July 20th, 2009
11:28 am

The problem with this bill is absolutely no one trust the cost figures which are being tossed around. Pelosi claims a total of $500 billion in savings from medicare, medicaid, and effeciencies. Her own Congressional Budget Office after review says they see no savings, and the cost will be much higher than estimated.

The drag on our economy will even be greater. Pelosi is proud to announce that the remainder will be paid for by an additional tax increase on the benevolant richest 5%. This is in addition to the tax increase already announced for this same population. Problem is that 60% of the people in this catagory are small business people who provide 60% of all private sector jobs in this country. In addition this same group will be forced to provide private health insurance or pay a penalty of 8% of payroll. These are the same people we are relying on to get us out of this recession.

Bob Barr

July 20th, 2009
11:38 am

Some folks, including at least one of my Barr Code readers, seem to have the impression that as a former member of Congress, I enjoy government-subsidized health insurance (for $300 per month according to one reader). I hate to destroy this myth about former members having all manner of perks, but the government provides nothing whatsoever to me in terms of health insurance or health care coverage. (There are no other perks, either, by the way.)

Continuing thanks to everyone for reading and responding to The Barr Code.

Rhonda

July 20th, 2009
11:46 am

I would like to know how people make it like me. I am a widow with 3 kids, paying 800.00 a month for health insurance, which I am getting ready to cancel because I cannot afford it any longer. My house is on the market and not selling, my job is on the rocks, etc etc. WE HAVE TO HAVE INSURANCE to help people like me. I am at my wits ends about what to do. Hannity, Boortz, etc say “get another job to pay for it, do what you have to do, do not be lazy,etc etc”…..WELL, they are all rich and have the luxury of doing what they want.
I never expected my husband to die. I simply do not know what to do anymore. I cry nearly everyday because I am under so much stress. WHAT IS THE NORMAL PERSON TO DO???????

booger

July 20th, 2009
11:51 am

Rhonda,

Unless you make a very high income, your children are eligible for health care under the Georgia “Peach Care ” program.

Rhonda

July 20th, 2009
11:57 am

Booger, Thanks, I did not know that. AND no I do not make a lot. My husband was the bread winner. I really have tried to do everything possible to take care of my situation but I am at a dead end. Waiting now to see if I qualify for a home modification. IF my house would just sell!!!!! Of course that is me and millions of others. I think I am putting it out there for a DEAL OF THE CENTURY!!!! :)

Landon Lord

July 20th, 2009
12:00 pm

This train needs to definitely be slowed down if not stopped altogether — this is too important.
If you have not already done so — contact your congressional delegation TODAY — here is the link to get the direct office numbers for your reps — http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/index.htm
There is a reason that the Administration and the Dem leadership wants to RUSH the healthcare bills through Congress — and will do so without anyone having the time to Debate or READ the bill — They know that if the public understands how much this is going to cost now and in the future and that it is still NOT going to improve healthcare but will end up with the Government running HealthCare (Like the Post Office and VA Hospitals both of which are models of waste and inefficiency ) that the public will not support it !
The Administration “said” they did not want to own General Motors — guess what — the government now owns General Motors. The Administration “says” they do not want to nationalize healthcare — but guess what is going to happen.
The small businesses and middle income tax payers are going to be taxed out the wazoo (many small businesses — the employers of the majority of American workers — will go out of business if the Administration’s Healthcare proposals pass —
Call your Representative today and voice your opposition — and let them know that if they support this travesty that you will be prepared to vote them out of office next year — do it today — it is that important

Rhonda

July 20th, 2009
12:01 pm

AND I do not see where government health care will be any different than the 800 a month I am paying now!!!! I had some medical problems this summer and thank goodness it was not bad BUT the insurance company did not want to approve anything the doctor ordered! SO what is the difference????? AND this is with a 5000.00 deductible!

JF McNamara

July 20th, 2009
12:04 pm

To answer the question:

“why do many people around the world come to the america for health treatment because socialize medicine is a total failure and our healthcare is the best in the world.”

Technology. We have the best medical technology, not the best healthcare system. We rank 50th out of 224 in life expectancy, so our overall system probably isn’t the best. For instance, Canada spends a third less and has a longer life span, so it is cheaper and arguably better.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/06/11/life.expectancy.health.care/

I’m sure it won’t work as planned, but there are a lot of countries out there who’ve already done this and can afford it. If Europe can make it work and do so more effectively than what we currently have, we can too.

Landon Lord

July 20th, 2009
12:14 pm

Mr McNamara — good thought on Life Expectancy — but one Huge difference (pun intended) is that over half of Americans are obese and many are grossly obese (self inflicted conditions) and in Canada and Europe that percentage is way lower – and Obesity is one of the largest contributors to health problems which lead to lower life expectancy — so it is an apples to oranges comparison
I am sure that some on this forum will argue that Obesity is not an individual’s problem and that it is society’s problem and therefore the government should fix it — certify obesity from overeating unhealthy meals as a ‘disease’ throw billions of dollars at it and ‘fix’ the problem (instead of doing something like stressing individual Accountabilty for your actions (fightin’ words in the Democratic Party) and having government/public schools to require P E courses / excerise for the school kids (most private non-government schools require participation in physical activity ) — but we are now a nation of softies and it might cause somone to break a sweat or be uncomfortable and we just cannot have that in the new USSA

jt

July 20th, 2009
12:26 pm

TechLover -

I feel for you.

Regardless, goverment is NEVER the answer. The problems you are facing are compounded by goverment involvement in the first place.

If you are able to secure a passport, (don’t mention health care) try flying to south america or china for some “health care” not approved by our goverment. You will probably be pleseantly suprised.

Good Luck.

Billy Bob

July 20th, 2009
12:51 pm

Why do people need insurance to pay for everyday type medical expenses like: regular checkups, broken bones, routine surgeries and medications? I don’t know. If you provide insurance to cover only catastrophic illness or chronic sickness then the premium for most families (under 65) would be nominal, very nomimal in cost. Then the family covers the everyday expenses of healthcare just like they do the grocery bill.

Libtards will never learn from history so welcome to Communism – again.

Chris Broe

July 20th, 2009
1:35 pm

“Peter Pan…..Pollyannaish Pelosi…..”

Say it, don’t spray it, Barr.

“..this bill is a monstrosity”. This metaphor doesn’t work with the spittoon-challenged alliteration that should have set up the conclusion. Try to match them in terms of the overall theme of your piece so there’s a more cohesive (and thus persuasive) point.

With opponents of Obama’s health care plan like you, sir, who needs supporters?

JF McNamara

July 20th, 2009
1:38 pm

It’s true that obesity is a big problem in the United States, but that still doesn’t mean our form of health care is the best.

You can always make up stuff to argue. For example, the obesity could be because people don’t regularly see the doctor due to high cost and/or lack of insurance. If they did, they’d be more aware of their condition. Instead, they wait until a major occurance and by then it’s too late.

Provide what metric is oranges to oranges or apples to apples on healthcare. I’ll look it up if you let me know what to look for. Everything on Google says we spend more and get less service. Could be the liberal machine. Could be true.

Barry

July 20th, 2009
1:58 pm

People that want Obama Healthcare and do not understand, comprehend what Bob Barr is saying just plain scare the hell out of me! They must be the exact people that voted for Obama and the likes of Pelosi, Reid and the other idiots in Congress. They need to pass a bill that requires people have an IQ before they are allowed to vote! I have never seen in my lifetime the people that seem to have blinders on and do not see what Obama and Congress are doing to America! They are the same prople that blame Bush but never stop to realize it was the Dimocrats in congress that got us in this mess with the economy and not Bush! Wake up, pull your head out of your a$$ before it’s too late!

Jeff

July 20th, 2009
1:59 pm

The current system is great – IF – you know you will never lose your job, you know that your employer will never cancel or reduce your health insurance, and you know that if you ever DO have to get insurance on your own, you will NEVER be sick enough to have all companies deny your pre-existing condition. And of course, health care today IS rationed – just by some beureaucrat at Cigna, Aetna et.al. rather than the gov’t. Do you REALLY think they have your best interest at heart??

Barry

July 20th, 2009
2:05 pm

If Obama would just hurry and pass out the Kool-Aid we could improve the IQ drastically in America!

[...] Health Care Never Never Land The Atlanta Journal Constitution Once again, success in the business arena is punished in the government arena. Truly, this bill is a monstrosity (Barr, 7/20). [...]

Charlie

July 20th, 2009
2:37 pm

People consistently discuss problems with the system. There are indeed problems with many facets of health care, but problems appear in many aspects of life. Responses to these problems, however, are not to be determined by the Federal Government (nor does it have the right to address these problems). There is little logic behind the argument that an individual can not resolve his own problems but that a collection of far-removed, wealthy bureaucrats can do so efficiently.

“A claim for equality of material position can be met only by a government with totalitarian powers.” -Hayek

Barry

July 20th, 2009
2:43 pm

Great post Charlie. I love the quote by Hayek!

Dan

July 20th, 2009
3:01 pm

Jeff are you under the illusion that the gov has your best interest at heart? The only reason other countries are able to provide even an illusionary version of succesful gov health care is due to the innovation and technology developed in our market system. As for efficiency??? we have a ready made example of gov health care in medicaid and medicare. surely you are not arguing we need more of that?
What we need to do is make individual health care accounts tax deductable, this would give people the ability to switch providers if they are not happy with the service, in the current system only employers can do that. The other thing that is needed is for people to realize the actual costs of the services, most people don’t want insurance most people want someone else to pay for it

Rockerbabe

July 20th, 2009
3:16 pm

Rhonda; have you signed up for your husband’s social security survivor benefits yet? You can get a stipend for each of your kids based on the level of payments he made into the program. Peachcare could also help and don’t forget to check out the public health department programs for primary care (varies with the county in which you reside). If the kids are 5 years of age or younger, you could probably qualify for the WIC program, which will help with nutritious food.

The mandate on business is there because government has failed to provide a program for the general citizenry of this country. We have the VAMC, Medicare and Medicaid as well as the SCHIPS and all these programs provide healthcare to their various constituencies and seem well accepted. So please spare me the diatribe about government run healthcare. Our government also pays the pricetag for most of the health related research programs in this country; the government also provides a goodly number of students with Pell grants and loans to get through medical, dental and nursing school and subsequent professional internships and residency programs. So spare me the diatribe about government run health programs.

I have been a healthcare practitioner for 30+ years and the system we now have has gone from good to what we have now; it serves only one master and that master is profit [and the extravent salaries of the executives of the private health insurance companies]. They make their money by denying YOU care and limiting the care you do receive by increasing the level of deductibles, copays and use of gatekeepers (by use of pre-authorizations, pre-approvals, etc.). So spare me the diatribe about government run healthcare; it could not possibly be any worse than what we are paying for now. I am more than ready for a system-wide change that allows everyone to have access to care.

Corps Values

July 20th, 2009
3:30 pm

GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE, CAP&TRADE, HIGHER TAXES, CLOSING GITMO, PASSING BILLS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT – When does all of this STOP!!! We are slowly giving away our FREEDOMS. Be REPRESENTATIVES of the PEOPLE not the left wing.

Jefferson

July 20th, 2009
3:43 pm

Get on board or get out of the way, the train is leaving the station.

Dan

July 20th, 2009
3:49 pm

Rockerbabe apparently economics classes were not part of your healthcare education. Just do the math take a reasonable salary for a doctor (200K) a nurse (100K) and an admin (50K) this approaches $200/hour just for their time (obviously the salaries are a proxy they differ greatly), no tests, no rent, no liability insurance, no cost for equipment or continuing education etc. All of those costs would at least double that per hour cost if not triple it lets just split the difference and call it $500/hour and that is simply for your basic physical or checkup. The copays and deductables are necessary to reduce the number of people that see a doctor for a cold because they think it costs $20 (the copay) Insurance companies save people money by spreading the risk of real emergencies and expensive treatments, in large part what people pay for their “insurance is simply the cost of annual treatments, the real insurance part is extremely cheap if a real issue arises. Further more I have never heard of a health professional say the government agencies are well accepted, the naive ones may appreciate the imagined intent, but only the most altruistic practitioners even give lip service to embracing it. Lastly the private sector spends about 10 times that of the government on viable research, the government is too hogtied by politically correct research to do anything groundbreaking.
Just a tad of common sense applied to the facts as opposed to the rhetoric is all you need to understand

Rodney S.

July 20th, 2009
4:02 pm

It’s too late. Don’t bother saving or planning for the future. Enjoy each day like it’s your last. Too many people with their hands out and too few willing to take responsibility for their own actions. The gates have held strong for many years, but the Barbarians will come knocking again… Democrats are the 5th column who will give them the keys.

Corps Values

July 20th, 2009
4:40 pm

Jefferson, The TRAIN is running out of FUEL. It won’t PASS!!! AMERICA is WAKING UP and they DON”T like what they see. They don’t want their children being strapped and paying for this the rest of their life.