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	<title>Comments on: Brave New World of Infant DNA Data-Basing</title>
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		<title>By: Bunnie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/bob-barr-blog/2009/07/13/few-limits-on-infant-dna-data/comment-page-1/#comment-10173</link>
		<dc:creator>Bunnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 00:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does Georgia do this?  None of the articles I&#039;ve read are open about it.  We have an 8 month old, and it is scary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does Georgia do this?  None of the articles I&#8217;ve read are open about it.  We have an 8 month old, and it is scary.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/bob-barr-blog/2009/07/13/few-limits-on-infant-dna-data/comment-page-1/#comment-10169</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would this be less of an issue with the majority if it was spelled out to every parent what exactly would be happening with their childs DNA after the initial tests? Most likely not, you still don&#039;t have a say in most states what happens to that DNA.

On the other hand, I do understand the need &amp; purposes for a national bank with this data. It just does not need to be collected by the government with childrens personal information - How does that help? DNA, male/female, and year of birth should be all thats handed over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would this be less of an issue with the majority if it was spelled out to every parent what exactly would be happening with their childs DNA after the initial tests? Most likely not, you still don&#8217;t have a say in most states what happens to that DNA.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I do understand the need &amp; purposes for a national bank with this data. It just does not need to be collected by the government with childrens personal information &#8211; How does that help? DNA, male/female, and year of birth should be all thats handed over.</p>
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		<title>By: Dani</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/bob-barr-blog/2009/07/13/few-limits-on-infant-dna-data/comment-page-1/#comment-5990</link>
		<dc:creator>Dani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taking the attitude of &quot;Why are concerned? Do you have something to hide?&quot; is nothing but a cop out. I&#039;m so sick of hearing otherwise intelligent people come up with a remark like that. Do you really think that is what this is about? Get real. It&#039;s all about invasion of privacy, and we see it every day, everywhere. Cameras on the streets, for example. Did &quot;We the People&quot; get a chance to vote for that? Google Earth looking right at our homes? The internet (which I obviously use) that allows anyone with $40 to obtain personal information about anyone (yes, and public information, too. But then you have to ask what is considered public? Anything that is put on the internet is public.)

I was asked the other day to give my thumb print in order to cash a $20 check at  Bank of America because I didn&#039;t have an account there. What the hell is that about? I had already presented my driver&#039;s license. What&#039;s next? A blood sample there, too? Ok, this is a privately owned bank. Not the government.

How about taking a job working for the census? I applied and got the job only to find out that no matter your position, a full set of finger prints is required. That wasn&#039;t required in previous years. Why now? Oh wait, let me guess. It&#039;s required in order to keep us safe from thieves, or terrorists, or other boogie men (or women). Grow up people! 

Can&#039;t you see that every time this sort of thing happens a little more of our rights to privacy has been chipped away? The reason is always &quot;for our safety&quot;, in one way or another. Have we become a nation of scaredy cats? That we can&#039;t protect ourselves from anything without the help of our government? 

Giving up our right to privacy has nothing to do with having something to hide. It has a whole lot to do with giving up your freedom and right to privacy. It has a whole lot to do with people behaving like sheep and going along with the program so they don&#039;t have to think for themselves -and If you don&#039;t think for yourself, someone else will think for you. I see this happening at an alarming rate. 

What about the next generation? Your kids? Your grandkids? They won&#039;t have the same freedoms we knew. They won&#039;t even know what they have lost. This is America for pete&#039;s sake! If you don&#039;t want to live free then go somewhere else! Your mucking it up for those of us who still believe in freedom. A Brave New World? Or a world full of chickens? Who is America now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taking the attitude of &#8220;Why are concerned? Do you have something to hide?&#8221; is nothing but a cop out. I&#8217;m so sick of hearing otherwise intelligent people come up with a remark like that. Do you really think that is what this is about? Get real. It&#8217;s all about invasion of privacy, and we see it every day, everywhere. Cameras on the streets, for example. Did &#8220;We the People&#8221; get a chance to vote for that? Google Earth looking right at our homes? The internet (which I obviously use) that allows anyone with $40 to obtain personal information about anyone (yes, and public information, too. But then you have to ask what is considered public? Anything that is put on the internet is public.)</p>
<p>I was asked the other day to give my thumb print in order to cash a $20 check at  Bank of America because I didn&#8217;t have an account there. What the hell is that about? I had already presented my driver&#8217;s license. What&#8217;s next? A blood sample there, too? Ok, this is a privately owned bank. Not the government.</p>
<p>How about taking a job working for the census? I applied and got the job only to find out that no matter your position, a full set of finger prints is required. That wasn&#8217;t required in previous years. Why now? Oh wait, let me guess. It&#8217;s required in order to keep us safe from thieves, or terrorists, or other boogie men (or women). Grow up people! </p>
<p>Can&#8217;t you see that every time this sort of thing happens a little more of our rights to privacy has been chipped away? The reason is always &#8220;for our safety&#8221;, in one way or another. Have we become a nation of scaredy cats? That we can&#8217;t protect ourselves from anything without the help of our government? </p>
<p>Giving up our right to privacy has nothing to do with having something to hide. It has a whole lot to do with giving up your freedom and right to privacy. It has a whole lot to do with people behaving like sheep and going along with the program so they don&#8217;t have to think for themselves -and If you don&#8217;t think for yourself, someone else will think for you. I see this happening at an alarming rate. </p>
<p>What about the next generation? Your kids? Your grandkids? They won&#8217;t have the same freedoms we knew. They won&#8217;t even know what they have lost. This is America for pete&#8217;s sake! If you don&#8217;t want to live free then go somewhere else! Your mucking it up for those of us who still believe in freedom. A Brave New World? Or a world full of chickens? Who is America now?</p>
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		<title>By: Dani</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/bob-barr-blog/2009/07/13/few-limits-on-infant-dna-data/comment-page-1/#comment-5989</link>
		<dc:creator>Dani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yes, and we believe what our government tells us because they wouldn&#039;t do anything behind our backs. This is America, after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yes, and we believe what our government tells us because they wouldn&#8217;t do anything behind our backs. This is America, after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Baby CODIS? &#124; Bench Notes: CSI Episode Reviews</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/bob-barr-blog/2009/07/13/few-limits-on-infant-dna-data/comment-page-1/#comment-3118</link>
		<dc:creator>Baby CODIS? &#124; Bench Notes: CSI Episode Reviews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] article posted here:  One of the most exciting moments in life is to witness the birth of a new child. All hell could [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Crimson Wife</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/bob-barr-blog/2009/07/13/few-limits-on-infant-dna-data/comment-page-1/#comment-2813</link>
		<dc:creator>Crimson Wife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had no idea when I agreed to the newborn screening tests for my kids that CA kept the samples. That is very disturbing to me and I want to know if there&#039;s some way to have my kids&#039; samples disposed of now that the screening results are in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had no idea when I agreed to the newborn screening tests for my kids that CA kept the samples. That is very disturbing to me and I want to know if there&#8217;s some way to have my kids&#8217; samples disposed of now that the screening results are in.</p>
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		<title>By: Hillbilly Deluxe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/bob-barr-blog/2009/07/13/few-limits-on-infant-dna-data/comment-page-1/#comment-2812</link>
		<dc:creator>Hillbilly Deluxe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know anything about the science of DNA samples but do I know there&#039;s no system of safeguards for anything that some human can&#039;t figure out a way to bypass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know anything about the science of DNA samples but do I know there&#8217;s no system of safeguards for anything that some human can&#8217;t figure out a way to bypass.</p>
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		<title>By: Christi Raines</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/bob-barr-blog/2009/07/13/few-limits-on-infant-dna-data/comment-page-1/#comment-2801</link>
		<dc:creator>Christi Raines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jen- Thanks for the info.  I am linking an article about the process that I came across, for anyone else who might be interested:  http://www.molegenetics.com/sites/m/molegenetics.com/files/1055604520.pdf

I have to agree though, that it&#039;s outrageous expensive.  Jen made a good point about the long term viability of the samples as well.  

Another thing I hadn&#039;t thought about was brought up by &quot;Logical Guy&quot;... are they maintaining the critical health information with person information attached or with basic information, such as hospital where the sample was collected so that if the time comes &quot;they&quot; need or want to perform tests, it will be general census type data or are there still identifying numbers/names/etc... still attached?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jen- Thanks for the info.  I am linking an article about the process that I came across, for anyone else who might be interested:  <a href="http://www.molegenetics.com/sites/m/molegenetics.com/files/1055604520.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.molegenetics.com/sites/m/molegenetics.com/files/1055604520.pdf</a></p>
<p>I have to agree though, that it&#8217;s outrageous expensive.  Jen made a good point about the long term viability of the samples as well.  </p>
<p>Another thing I hadn&#8217;t thought about was brought up by &#8220;Logical Guy&#8221;&#8230; are they maintaining the critical health information with person information attached or with basic information, such as hospital where the sample was collected so that if the time comes &#8220;they&#8221; need or want to perform tests, it will be general census type data or are there still identifying numbers/names/etc&#8230; still attached?</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/bob-barr-blog/2009/07/13/few-limits-on-infant-dna-data/comment-page-1/#comment-2775</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christi, FYI, you can extract and amplify via PCR DNA from DBS.  All kinds.  In fact, this is the basis for the rapid HIV test.

However, it&#039;s not really all that rapid or cheap to extract and entire human genome from DBS (or any source).  And, naturally, the ability to extract DNA lessens over time.

So, all these DBS cards are filed away in drawers and just about always forgotten about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christi, FYI, you can extract and amplify via PCR DNA from DBS.  All kinds.  In fact, this is the basis for the rapid HIV test.</p>
<p>However, it&#8217;s not really all that rapid or cheap to extract and entire human genome from DBS (or any source).  And, naturally, the ability to extract DNA lessens over time.</p>
<p>So, all these DBS cards are filed away in drawers and just about always forgotten about.</p>
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		<title>By: Why Are the States Requiring Hospitals to Take DNA Samples of Newborn Babies? &#171; Michigan Redneck II</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/bob-barr-blog/2009/07/13/few-limits-on-infant-dna-data/comment-page-1/#comment-2772</link>
		<dc:creator>Why Are the States Requiring Hospitals to Take DNA Samples of Newborn Babies? &#171; Michigan Redneck II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This is like something out of 1984.  I don&#8217;t even think George Orwell could have predicted anything this creeepy.  Please, PLEASE read the full article here. [...]</description>
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