Watch lists, guns and government

The secret government “Terrorist Watch List,” reportedly already swelled to more than 1.1 million names, will have an addendum, if gun control advocates in Congress have their way. This new addendum — also to be cloaked in secrecy — would empower the U.S. Attorney General to deny a person the ability to exercise their Second Amendment rights to purchase a firearm.

While it is not surprising that some members of Congress are again using fear of terrorism to implement a gun-control agenda, the openly unconstitutional legislative language proponents are employing is troubling.

Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) is leading the effort in the Senate, while another well-known gun control advocate — Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) — is directing the House initiative. They have introduced identical bills — the “Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009.” This proposal would give the attorney general the power to unilaterally and in secret develop a watch list of persons believed to be unworthy of possessing a firearm or any explosive.

This new “dangerous terrorist” watch list would include names based not on hard evidence of criminal activity, but on nothing more than the subjective conclusion by the attorney general that a person is “appropriately suspected” (whatever that means) of engaging in some manner of assisting or preparing for acts of domestic or international terrorism. The American people would never be privy to what criteria might be employed by the attorney general to determine whether someone is an “appropriate suspect,” and they would have no way of knowing why they might be denied the ability to purchase a firearm.

If a person were to be refused “permission” to purchase a firearm or explosive, and if they subsequently filed a lawsuit in federal court to find out why, the government still could keep such information secret. In other words, the attorney general could deny a U.S. citizen the ability to own a firearm, and never have to give the reason.

For legislators like Lautenberg and King, who apparently have absolute faith in unelected government officials to make the right decisions for the right reasons at the right times (and never be required to explain those decisions), one has only to consider the checkered history of post-9/11 “terrorist” watch lists to see the folly of such perspective. Stories abound of persons denied the ability to board a commercial aircraft, or greatly delayed in being allowed on board, for no reason other than their name erroneously appeared on some “watch list.” Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.), and Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.), have been among this not-so-elite group.

A report earlier this year by the FBI’s inspector general chronicled extensive internal problems with the terrorist watch list maintained by that agency. The IG found numerous examples of inaccuracies, incomplete entries, out-of-date information and inclusion of information “unrelated to terrorism.” While the inconvenience of not being able to board an airliner for a business trip or a vacation can be a real headache, being refused the ability to purchase a firearm to protect one’s life clearly raises the stakes.

The government already has remedies already at its disposal to keep firearms out of the hands of known or suspected terrorists. Under existing federal law, there are numerous categories of persons prohibited from purchasing or possessing firearms; including persons in violation of immigration laws, convicted felons, illicit drug users and others. And if a person truly is a known or suspected terrorist, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives — as the federal law enforcement agency primarily responsible for enforcing the nation’s gun laws — certainly should be made aware of that information. We don’t need a secret, anti-Second Amendment watch list to implement effective law enforcement in America.

124 comments Add your comment

electrician

June 29th, 2009
7:49 am

sounds like the old ‘politics of fear’ thing to me, only now we are scared of ourselves,it’s a well reported fact that gun sales have been on the rise since Obama took over, same as they have done anytime new, more restrictive legislation has been proposed. what to do then about the thousands of guns legally purchased during this recent spike in sales? Doe’s the ‘watch list’ start when and if this legislation is passed or is it retroactive? the potential for abuse here is staggering, not to mention the open ended ambiguity…BEWARE.

buckley

June 29th, 2009
8:11 am

I won’t be buying anymore firearms.I have enough.

Andrew Thompson

June 29th, 2009
8:25 am

This is just one more way the government is “watching over us”, trying to keep us under day by day control. Americans now have little time to defend and protect what is left of our rights before they become nothing but a memory of better times.

The whole system of family law, child support and intrusion into parental rights has become the most powerful tool in their hands. Let’s fight back while there’s time left!

http://thompsonlaw-in.com
http://familylawandfathers.com

bob

June 29th, 2009
8:31 am

As long as gov does not try to listen to a terrorist in Irag, talk to a terrorist in Yemen, everything else is just fine.

TW

June 29th, 2009
8:33 am

The staus quo, which Mr. Barr apparently favors, has allowed nine out of ten on the present list to puchase guns.

Besides, why not let the dems have a shot at driving the ‘fear of terrorism’ train? After all, while the GOP had the lead they used it to invade a country that had nothing to do with terrorism, as well as line the pockets of their buds at Blackwater, Halliburton, etc.

What do Mr. Barr and the GOP have against the average American citizen?

Michael

June 29th, 2009
8:56 am

Until we come to grips with the real criminals of 9/11 this country will continue to live in the Twilight Zone, with watch-lists, ID cards, USA PATRIOT Acts, and a ballooning of our Police State. Terrorist watch lists are merely another step towards checkpoints, papers, and totalitarianism. Bob, I haven’t heard you calling for a true investigation into the events of 9/11. Where is your voice on this?

“We have met the enemy, and he is us.”

lanerlaw

June 29th, 2009
9:04 am

Another reason to cringe next week when all the people around me sind songs proclaiming they live in the land of the free….all the while they support any politician that wants to take away their freedom, except their freedom to watch whatever tv show or movie they want or freedom to have piercings or tattoos and freedom to drink beer on the weekend. Otherwise they could care less.

Jimbo

June 29th, 2009
9:05 am

Look, if you don’t want them to have guns and explosives TW, then charge them with a felony and convict them. If they aren’t felons (and don’t meet one of the other numerous restrictions) then leave them alone. We’re supposed to believe in the idea that we’re all innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Worse that list is prone to false positives. As for the dems running the fear train over the GOP, is that where we’re at? Do two wrongs, or six wrongs, or a thousand wrongs really make a right? What are you? 12?

jconservative

June 29th, 2009
9:15 am

The Bush administration raped the Fourth Amendment for eight years. Reason – to protect us from terrorists. Why would anyone be surprised that the current congress would try to rape the Second Amendment in an attempt to protect us from terrorists. “Those who willingly give up their liberties in the name of security deserve neither.”

Will Jones - Atlanta

June 29th, 2009
9:16 am

Well, not really “us.”

The enemy of America is just what Our Founder, Thomas Jefferson, said it is: “an engine for enslaving mankind,” “the real Anti-Christ.”

Rome’s “Fifth Column” is the enemy “within,” and until we confront the proven fact that Bush and Cheney committed 9/11, bring them to justice and expropriate and extirpate their sectarian, treasonous faction, Mafia bagmen like Lautenberg and King will continue to do Rome’s work: attempting to “extinguish our Light from the West,” “which ignited a volcano under the thrones of Europe:” king and pope.

Read the Founders’ prophetic wisdom. The Library of America edition of “Jefferson’s Writings” is excellent but the “Jefferson Cyclopedia” is available for free on-line.

Also free on-line is the sedulous proof of Bush’s and Cheney’s 9/11 treason, “The New Pearl Harbor,” patriotically donated after millions of copies were sold for $15 each, by its publisher, and author, a scholar of proven integrity, Emeritus Professor David Ray Griffin, PhD.

http://www.angelfire.com/biz/hankramey/The%20New%20Pearl%20Harbor.pdf

Politicians and pundits who fail to confront the proven truth of treason, or anything else, are unworthy of the American People’s trust.

JF McNamara

June 29th, 2009
9:16 am

This law probably goes too far. I don’t have a problem with tracking, but everyone should be able to buy a gun as deemed by the 2nd ammendment. If you aren’t a felon, then the government should have no say in this.

electrician

June 29th, 2009
9:16 am

TW..the dems knew where the train was going, and they all bought a ticket, its like a bucket of red and blue marbles mixed together,you cant pour out just one color.

Matt

June 29th, 2009
9:17 am

TW, it’s nothing against the average citizen, in fact its the opposite. Taking away rights based on some secret government list that they won’t tell you who’s on, why, or even discuss how to get off the list is downright fascist. Remember that “A man that would trade a little liberty for security deserves neither”. I’m perfectly fine with keeping guns out of criminal hands but to do so under a veil of secrecy or in a manner that violates the rights of law abiding citizens that has no due process recourse it absolutely un-American.

jconservative

June 29th, 2009
9:23 am

Where in the Constitution does it say that a felon cannot own a weapon?

Jessica

June 29th, 2009
9:32 am

TW, I don’t see how defending constitutional rights is against the interests of the average American citizen. If our government can so easily take away this particular right because someone *might* be dangerous, what’s to stop it from stripping away other rights?
You might want to review your world history to see what happes to average citizens when their leaders don’t respect their rights. We can’t allow our federal government to ignore the rule of law or act secretly against Americans.
This really has nothing to do with partisan interests or corporate greed. Don’t be so willing to throw away your freedom just because you are still angry at a bunch of people who aren’t even in power anymore.

wbk

June 29th, 2009
9:44 am

I believe we should lose the right to free press, speech, and the right to assembly but keep our second ammendment rights.

jabster

June 29th, 2009
10:07 am

The one thing you have to remember is that government means never having to say you’re sorry.

wbk

June 29th, 2009
10:08 am

Will Jones – Atlanta :
Have another glass of koolaid!!

JT Hayes

June 29th, 2009
10:09 am

to JF McNamara:
If a convicted felon has served their time and been deemed safe enough to be released back into the population, I feel they should be safe enough to be allowed to posses firearms for self defense. If not, why are they not locked up?? Please keep in mind that many felonies are “mala per se” actions that harm nobody but have been declared by the government to be crimes. Are the families of reformed check forgers any less deserving of protection than mine?

[...] Bob Barr cuts through the rhetoric about Lautenberg’s civil rights destroying bill that would ….  I’m glad he’s using his MSM soap box to get the truth out there.  I suspect even Americans who aren’t gun people would be more than a little disturbed about the idea of the government limiting constitutional rights based on secret lists. [...]

sane jane

June 29th, 2009
10:11 am

jconservative hit the nail on the head. If you only object to tyranny “when the other guy does it”, you’re simply another partisan sheeple.

Obama may be storming the castle, but it was the Bush Administration that first kicked the door in.

dgroy

June 29th, 2009
10:21 am

“We don’t need a secret, anti-Second Amendment watch list to implement effective law enforcement in America.” No we don’t Bob Barr, A Great American. As the saying goes, “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people. I truly believe there aren’t enough smart people working in our government that they can come up with a plan to reduce violence caused by guns. I have three guns in my possession that will never be taken away from me alive. I love my country and I will defend it against those out there that are hell bent on taking all our rights away. Given the sad state of our government bureauracracy, those rights that we all hold so dearly, will be stripped away in the next two decades.

Copyleft

June 29th, 2009
10:27 am

I notice that the recent Supreme Court ruling on privacy issues went unmentioned here on Barr’s blog. Which leads me to the question…

Does Barr’s blog focus entirely on guns because that’s all that Mr. BARR cares about… or just because he knows it’s all his AUDIENCE cares about?

Hell is Other People

June 29th, 2009
10:36 am

I suspect the protests in Iran would look much different if the citizenry had guns.

electrician

June 29th, 2009
10:45 am

copyleft at 10;27..,does the fact that barr didn’t address the privacy issue you mention in any way invalidate this discussion? your tactic is an expansion of the “you don’t say what I like to hear all the time so you are not credible’ school of thought that has stalled meaningful discussion of important topics for far too long.

Copyleft

June 29th, 2009
10:48 am

Electrician: You mean, like how the talk-radio drones always analyze what President Obama DIDN’T say in his speeches, rather than what he DID? I agree.

The point I was making is that Mr. Barr seems to post ONLY about gun issues, while claiming to be a broad-spectrum libertarian. I was simply curious if that’s his own pet obsession, or a reflection of what his audience really wants.

Boomer

June 29th, 2009
10:49 am

I’d like my cousin Chris placed on this list.

Boomer

June 29th, 2009
10:51 am

R.I.P. Billy Mays.

JT Hayes

June 29th, 2009
10:58 am

Sorry, my bad.
My comment should have read
“Please keep in mind that many felonies are not “mala per se” actions such as rape, murder and arson of an occupied building, but rather “mala prohibida” actions that harm nobody, yet have been declared by the government to be crimes.
A better example would have been is the family of a person who relied on IRS advice to file income taxes and was convicted of felony tax evaslon/fraud. Is that family any less deserving of protection than mine? If not, there should be no prohibition against firearm possession.

woodie

June 29th, 2009
11:05 am

These kinds of Big Brother acts are disturbing indeed. I find it hard to believe there are 1.1 million terrorists in the U.S. We need to pare this list to something more realistic. Then we can discuss denying constitutional right to bare arms or denying passage on airplanes.

the evil rich

June 29th, 2009
11:08 am

I don’t know about you, but I am FOR any list that gives grief to Teddy “I dove and dove” Kennedy and John “what have I done in the past 40 years” Lewis.

Stu Strickler

June 29th, 2009
11:11 am

So they are going to put me on another list! I believe in God, guns, and am a prolife Veteran of 30 years service. No Attorney General is going to stop me from owning or carry firearms! Some people like Lautenburg think that passing more idiot laws will solve the problem. That would be the wrong answer Senator!

electrician

June 29th, 2009
11:15 am

copy left at 10;48….you wont get any disagreement from me on the talk radio business. I stopped listening to them a long time ago. as far as barr’s obsession with gun issues, 3 out of the last 20 of his postings address guns,whether or not that is excessive is definable only by ones own perception,as far as the audience, these folks can argue anything.

A McBeth

June 29th, 2009
11:44 am

Copyleft, the issue of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (not just firearms either) is central to the libertarian’s concept of individual freedom, and a central premise of the Founders of this country. It is what protects our other rights, and those opposed to it indicate they are interested first in controlling others lives and takin their freedoms. Repressive GOVERNMENTS have killed more of their own citizens after implementing ‘gun control’ than have died in all the wars and other crimes combined. Look up ‘Democide’ on google.

Dave

June 29th, 2009
12:00 pm

The real issue should be about purging this terrorist watch list to fix it. We all know there are not 1 million terrorists known by the government agencies chances are it is no more than a few thousand at the max. They need to get it down to this amount so that the TSA can concentrate on really finding unknown terrorists not on this list. It is just plain stupid to look at the same people over and over and over again never taking people off the list only adding to it. Having a similar names is not a realistic way to find terrorists because we all people will just use aliases with false IDs anyway rather than their real name.

Terry

June 29th, 2009
12:05 pm

The day I am “Disallowed” the right to purchase a firearm,with no explanation, no criminal record, no offenses of any kind with the LE agencies, because of this list…..

Is the day, they will fullilled the old adage.

“If your thought to be a thief, accused of being a thief, you MAY as well be a thief’, comes to mind.

Face it folks, we are being put thru the SAME stages that caused Fascism to become the system of the day, in Hitler’s Germany.

Guilty until proven innocent……………..

Patick Henry

June 29th, 2009
12:51 pm

“”Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) is leading the effort in the Senate, while another well-known gun control advocate — Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) — is directing the House initiative.”"

Me thinks former President Bush had it right when commenting upon the general matter.. “the Terrorists hate us for our Freedoms”

Yours in Observing Secret Lists as Rational Basis for Denial of Natural Rights equates to an Affront to Due Process by Tyrants (under the Color of Law),

Patrick Henry

Chris Broe

June 29th, 2009
12:51 pm

Support the troops or the terrorists win, Bob. If you don’t like this country, then go to china. We have to fight them there so we don’t have to fight them here. Remember the Maine. Buy Bonds. Loose lips sinks ships. Saddam Hussein met in Casablance at Rick’s Cafe with Osama Bin Laden to give him Victor Laslo’s exit visas so he could send the 911 guys into this country. Mission Accomplished!

Go soak your head.

Funny moment: no matter what the issue, someone always brings up Der Fuerher. Always.

Richard Feldman

June 29th, 2009
1:02 pm

Seems to me that if some potential terrorist was correctly and appropriately on the “watch list” the last thing you’d want to do to that person attempting to buy a stash of guns is deny them at the gun shop from completing the transfer after the NICS background check. What a great investigative lead! Isn’t that the moment Homeland Security should be following them because something may really be afoot? Denying the transfer just pushes the dim-witted terrorist to some back ally where no law enforcement agency will be aware or ready to track a terrorist operation. Sen Lautenberg ought to confer with real investigators before shooting from the lip. Pity, Bob Barr still isn’t in Congress where his thoughtful evaluation of the big picture would force his collegues to evaluate their emotional response to the realities of the real world concommitant with the civil liberties American citizens have fought so hard to protect.

The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar

June 29th, 2009
1:17 pm

Unfortunately, most gunnuts are sick people, easily led. Fortunately, most of them are physical cowards, hiding behind their guns for even the most innocuous, day to day interactions with other people.

Fondling their weapons is usually enough to keep them happy.

Jefferson

June 29th, 2009
1:29 pm

Getting a gun is not a hard thing to do, stocking up on ammo, slightly tougher. If you are fear death, buy life insurance.

JF McNamara

June 29th, 2009
1:34 pm

Looks like I offended the felons.

The existing law says that felons can’t own handguns which is why I included that. I don’t have a problem with the existing law, but I do have a problem with further extension.

I know a couple of felons out of jail only because they served their time not due to rehabilitation, and they are just as bad as ever. The first thing they did was got high. If its a non-violent felony, then maybe you add that provision, but allowing a violent offender to buy a gun is not smart given the repeat offender rate.

cr747

June 29th, 2009
2:22 pm

Sounds to me like The REAL GodhatestrashSuperstar is the biggest coward, for sure not a star, maybe a shooting star who’s lost his marbles and his slingshot. The people need to listen to Bob Barr, he’s been there and knows. What we need to do is VOTE out all the one’s that are against our second amendment rights out of office when their state election comes around, and put some people in there that care about us instead of them selves, such as Hillary Clinton, Rahm Emanuel, Eric Holder, and Cass Sunstein, and of course Obama, and this list could go on and on, especially all of those from California I think Obama better enjoy these 4 years, because there won’t be another 4 for him or the GUN hating democrats. I am a registered democrat, but I sure didn’t vote for Obama. You that did LIVE with it.

tool

June 29th, 2009
2:24 pm

“Banning guns is an idea who’s time has come.” Joe Biden

In conjunction with President Obama’s commitment to increased use of computers and electronic data to make government more efficient, I think this and a couple more ideas who’s time has come should be implimented in order for us to be more secure.

A national ID card along with back ground checks for all purchases and transactions would allow our law enforcemnt agencies to rapidly identify and neutralize possible terrorist threats. Think about it? If a back ground check was run on every person when they made a purchase or filed a document or paid any fee, then they would be immediately scanned to see if they were on a watch list for terrorism or outstanding warrants or even persons of interest could be identified and if need be appredended by security services and turned over to the police. A national ID would allow our justice department to identify and determine if you are on the list by mistake or are a real threat to society. Real threats would be dealt with in an immediate fassion and mistakes would be resolved with a strongly worded appology. Honest citizens would have nothing to hide and therefore perfectly willing to have back ground checks routinley performed. This would mean our government would be opterating efficiently on multiple levels and with a national health care system, back ground checks could be performed when ever you seek medical treatment. The national ID would list your medical history as well as any criminal activity for future reference and rapid processing by government agencies.

electrician

June 29th, 2009
2:28 pm

god hates trash at 1;17….your childish blathering seems out of place among yhese post from THINKING people on both sides of this issue. give it a rest ,you are out of your league.

Terry

June 29th, 2009
3:15 pm

Barr is at it again, the man is known for scaring the simple minded with his anti Democratic propaganda. The only people who should be scared of gun control are the ones who are criminals and mentally unstable, otherwise you have nothing to worry about except the power of the NRA. Any lobby that has so much power over our country’s leadership should be feared. The Patriot act stripped us of more freedom and liberty than anything since the 1860’s

Slotl

June 29th, 2009
3:28 pm

Sell all the guns you want, to anyone who wants one.

Charge $1,000 per bullet!!

Now THAT is REAL Gun Control.

phatdog

June 29th, 2009
3:44 pm

all of these useless laws are nothing more than feelgood measures. i have a felon from over ten years ago , served my complete sentence & am sure i paid my debt to society in full. ive been on the same job for 8 yrs & have “old friends” that are still doing the same things i was sent to prison for, but guess what, they can buy a gun. it was about “justice for money” which some have & some don’t. just as most think if you don’t have a felony you can be trusted, i can see through all of this as another gun law thats not even intended to work but to appeal to the emotions

Rich

June 29th, 2009
4:07 pm

This list is just like the Commie list by McCarth in the 1950’s. Its just like the old Soviet Union. We better take this country back before its too late!

GOP is gone

June 29th, 2009
4:14 pm

Thank God for this bill. Someone needs to reign in all the gun nut jobs out there.

Jarhead

June 29th, 2009
4:28 pm

Enter your comments here GodhatestrashSuperstar, I’m a WWII Marine Corps,combat vet; I gladly accept your title of “gunnut”, but I am not “sick”, nor easily lead; I’ve never been called a physical coward, and fondlings guns has never been real high on my “make me happy” list. I do agree that there is(and has been) a movement within the Democratic party to “dis-arm” the American Citizenry. Why bother with all the time and expense involved in bringing to justice those who commit crimes, including murder, using firearms? Lets just take away all their guns! Better yet, lets take away all the ammunition – the gun becomes useless. Someone a lot smarter than me said, and this is paraphrasing:
THOSE WHO OWN GUNS ARE CALLED SUBJECTS

THOSE WHO DO NOT OWN GUNS ARE CALLED SLAVES

[...] Don’t forget – he will also be watching a list of “terror suspects” in case they want to buy a gun.  He will decide who still has rights under the 2nd amendment.  Isn’t that [...]

SaveOurRepublic

June 29th, 2009
4:46 pm

This falls squarely in-line with the growing Orwellian police-state & (intentional) destruction of our Constitutional Republic. Using “terrorism” (exaggerated at best, false-flag at worst) as a pretext, the (Globalist Elite) controlled Feds continue the assault on our rights & liberties. By design, the majority of sheeple are duped by the fallacious Left vs. Right, DNC vs. GOP paradigm. Meanwhile, the downward spiral to a dystopia continues!

http://www.infowars.com

electrician

June 29th, 2009
4:55 pm

terry at 3;15…sounds like you are the one thats scared, raed the article more closely and note that this is a bipartisan proposal, therefore ‘anti democratic propaganda’ does not really apply here. the issue here is that we already have background checks in place, and they have been proven effective,the problem with this proposal is that it gives new and unaccountable goverment power over american citizens, which is exactly the same problem most people have with the patriot act, also the NRA;s power comes from the american citizens who are members of it , which is a lot better than and more representative than most other lobbyist groups. fear not.

electrician

June 29th, 2009
5:18 pm

phatdog at 3;44 yep….thats it.

CharlesP

June 29th, 2009
7:05 pm

First off, MANY DECENT AND INNOCENT PEOPLE ARE ON THE WATCH LIST!
They consider you a threat if you do simple things, like GET TO THE AIRPORT EARLY (as they TELL YOU TO DO), and then walk around to prevent your legs from getting blood clots! Or buying a soft drink AT THE AIRPORT, finishing it, going to the drinking fountain and filling it with AIRPORT SUPPLIED WATER! THIS, AND DOZENS OF OTHER “rules” ARE STUPID!!
Second, ANTI-GUNNERS are ALWAYS BLAMING THE NRA for everything! They are NOT THAT POWERFUL! They NEVER HAVE BEEN THAT POWERFUL. They just SEEM THAT WAY BECAUSE ALL OF THE ANTI-gun Groups ARE CONSTANTLY CAUGHT LIEING ON MAJOR ISSUES!!! If anti-gun people would QUIT, and BECOME ANTI-CRIME GROUPS, with the agenda OF STOPPING AND ARRESTING CRIMINALS! REPORTING CRIMES, HONESTLY AND ACCURATELY, THEY WOULD GET RESULTS AND NOT WASTE TIME AND MONEY WHINING ABOUT GUNS!!!
Third: Senator Edward a.k.a “Ted” (his ALIAS) Kennedy SHOULD BE ON THE WATCH LIST! HE AND HIS TWO FRIENDS KILLED THAT LADY WHEN SHE DID NOT DIE IN THE FAKE AUTO ACCIDENT!!! Also, Kennedy helped DAN RATHER and HOLLYWOOD SUBVERSIVES TO COMMIT 4 ASSASSINATION ATTEMPTS AGAINST PRES. FORD, and at least 2 ASSASSINATION ATTEMPTS against and at least 1 other CRIME OF TREASON/ trying to harm, PRES. REAGAN!!! KENNEDY SHOULD HAVE BEEN SHOT BY A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FIRING SQUAD, DECADES AGO, IF THE FEDS EVER DID THIER JOBS!
FOURTH: EVERYONE IS CRYING THAT AMERICAN GUNS ARE CROSSING THE BORDER TO MEXICO!! THIS IS THE FAULT OF CONGRESS! FOR OVER 36 YEARS, AMERICANS HAVE COMPLAINED TO CONGRESS ThAT THEY WANT THE BORDERS SEALED AND CONTROLLED! AND 4 TIMES CONGRESS HAS PULLED FRAUDS AND PROMISED TO DO THIS, AND NEVER EVEN MAKING AN ATTEMPT TO ACCOMPLISH THIS SIMPLE TASK!!! MY POINT: DO NOT BLAME GUNS OR LAWS, BLAME THE PEOPLE IN POSITIONS OF POWER WHO HAVE COMMITTED THE WORST CRIMES IN HISTORY- OUR CONGRESSMEN!!! THEY SOLELY ARE RESPONSIBLER FOR CRIME! THEY WILL NOT CONTROL THE BORDERs! THEY ALLOW THE FBI AND THE CIA TO OPENLY BE CORRUPT!! They allow and ENCOURAGE ALL CRIMINALS WHILE DOING ALL THEY CAN TO HARM GOOD HONEST CITIZENS!!!

Old Ranger

June 29th, 2009
7:14 pm

If a politician is afraid of the voter being armed even to the extent the police forces are armed then that politician is a liar because he or she has not defended the U.S, Constitution and needs to be thrown out of the office which they were elected to by the PEOPLE. Anyone who doesn’t trust honest law abiding Americans being armed at all times does not deserve the elected office he or she holds. They are not defending our U.S. Constitution.

GaLiberal

June 29th, 2009
7:59 pm

Sayth Bob ‘Impeachment’ Barr: While it is not surprising that some members of Congress are again using fear of terrorism to implement a gun-control agenda, the openly unconstitutional legislative language proponents are employing is troubling.

Really, Bob? And what about Bush and the Republicans using the fear of terrorism to go on a spending spree and engage the US in a reckless and unnecessary war? What about denying people boarding rights on US aircraft just because your name is “similar” to someone on the watch list? And now you pop up your head over someone’s supposed “right” to buy a gun? What hypocrisy, but typical of a Republican toadie like Bob ‘Impeachment’ Barr.

"V"

June 29th, 2009
7:59 pm

Every action has a reaction. This is why as result of such government intrusion and infringement on our rights, the reaction is that there is now a growing “underground” of gun owners, stockpiling, trading and selling guns and ammo to those they know and trust. Do we care if these guns are registered, if the buyers are on a so called “terrorist” watch list, or if the guns are even considered “legal” in a particular State? I think we all know the answer to that. The more oppressive this Socialist government becomes, the more forceful and wide spread the reaction. The best recruiting agency for turning once average citizens into radicals and “outlaws” has become the Federal Government. With each new infringement of our rights, our numbers grow. Keep it up Obummer.

Scooter

June 29th, 2009
8:00 pm

Cris Broe, You really need to see a shrink!

Scooter

June 29th, 2009
8:04 pm

GaLiberal, You need to go with Cris to the shrink!

Mike

June 29th, 2009
8:18 pm

Even better our wonderful fascist leaders are backing the ousted president from Honduras even though he tried to bypass their constitution and is allies with Hugo Chavez. Great to see our leaders back a man that is trying to become supreme leader by destroying an existing constitution to suit his needs. Anyone else seeing a pattern here.

Johan

June 29th, 2009
8:41 pm

Mike I see that pattern.

It’s clear to me that Obama also believes the office he holds possesses that same amount of power. Scary.

John Holliday

June 29th, 2009
10:21 pm

GaLiberal states: ” Republicans using the FEAR of terrorism…..” Yeah, I guess flying planes into buildings is just a “fear tactic” made up by the Republicans. What else would you expect from retards like galiberal and it’s ilk?

electrician

June 29th, 2009
10:27 pm

GaLiberal at 7:59..the only point you made was that you dont like Bob Barr, is that what you call discourse? please see my 10:45AM post….same for you.

electrician

June 29th, 2009
10:33 pm

oh ,I forgot, screaming look what bush did! is what SOME liberal call discussion,,better find a new gig,that ones only gonna last but so long.

Albert

June 29th, 2009
10:40 pm

We are becoming more and more like communist Russia and Hitler’s Gremany each day. We are willing to tell the terrorist about our methods of obtaining information but our government would deny a person the right to purchase a gun and not tell the person why. I agree, criminals and terrorist should not be allowed to own a weapon – they will get them on the black market or steal the weapons, and all the while the anti gunners will blame the honest and responsible American gun owners. But what about the innocent citizen who gets put on one of these lists by mistake? Mistakes have been made before and will happen again. Wake up, America, before all our rights are just a memory!

electrician

June 29th, 2009
10:49 pm

GaLiberal..perhaps tommorow, or maybe tonight,you can repost and tell us your opinion on THIS TOPIC I’ll be looking for it ,do you have the guts to take a stand that will reveal your own knowledge,and defend it?,or will you just hide in the mob.until tommorow,I dare you.

KDF

June 29th, 2009
11:13 pm

Please don’t let President Obama possess a firearm. First, he might have trouble operating it, as would many of his appointees. Let them forget about guns, which they seem to know nothing about, and let them drive home, following work, in a huge complicated, rolling death trap.

Woodpiggie

June 30th, 2009
12:38 am

What better way for a would be terrorist to determine if the govt is on to him, than to go to the nearist gun store and attempt to make a purchase?

[...] June 30, 2009 at 12:46 am (Uncategorized) (2nd amendment, attorney general, bob barr, dhs, government, watch list) http://blogs.ajc.com/bob-barr-blog/2009/06/29/watch-lists-guns-and-government/?cxntfid=blogs_bob_bar... [...]

Woodpiggie

June 30th, 2009
12:55 am

By the way, if a terrorist is planning to do his thing with a gun, thats good news to me. Hopefully some ccp holder will put him down before he gets too far. I’m worried about one of “Dear Leader Krazy Kim’s” affordable A bombs winding up in one of our cities.

Elmo C

June 30th, 2009
1:30 am

I saw today in the news papers and on the web that more and more college students are being attacked on campus. The little people who don’t like freedom,hate guns,conservatives,don’t like anyone telling them what to look out for,get tattos and just hate policemen. They are going to be the real victoms if we loose our rights. The people who can’t protect themselves,will be the prey for the criminals. The criminals don’t care who you are,and if freedom goes,so does your rights. These little people will get the short end of the stick,all because they don’t think we should have guns and a Bill of Rights. The 4th of July is comming up and we should all be thankful for the men and who gave everything to save many. I am a Warrior and a Patriot and will ever defend my Country.” A Free People ought To Be Armed.” George Washington 18790

John H.

June 30th, 2009
1:32 am

Law me into slavery. Yessa massa

Joe P.

June 30th, 2009
4:20 am

Welcome to George Orwell’s 1984.

Conservative and Proud of it!

June 30th, 2009
9:34 am

Does anyone remember that little clause in the Law known as Due Process?? How about innocent until proven guilty? Remember that one? And as for felons owning firearms, they’ve lost their right to own firearms through the due process of law, they were charged with a felony and found guilty by a jury of their peers, and through due process have lost their right to own or possess arms.
As for the rest of you libs why not get off the, it’s all GWB’s fault bandwagon? Incase you haven’t noticed he’s not the President anymore!! So get over it already! Your boy the Obamanator is president, you should be drinking the Kool-aid and dancing in the streets. (O wait that’s what you are doing. My bad!) And regardless of what GW did or didn’t do (in your opinion) to our rights, it still doesn’t give your guy the right to run roughshod over any other rights, as you/he may deem necessary. Remember two wrongs don’t make a right!
BTW: I don’t think we need to worry about a terrorist group sneaking an “A” bomb into DC! As that would be counter productive to their efforts. Washington as of January 2009 is their greatest ally, and they don’t need to do anything as the current administration will bring this country down faster than any bomb or attack ever could!
2010 & 2012 can’t get here fast enough! I just hope the Country can last that long, and survive the OBAMANATION!

Ben

June 30th, 2009
10:57 am

I agree with TW. I also think that we should have secret tribunals for American citizens that the government considers potential terrorists. We could arrest them at night from their home and send them to a secret prison somewhere. After all, they are potential terrorists. They are far too potentially dangerous to be granted due process. Who knows, they could be your next door neighbor. They could be you.

Dennis

June 30th, 2009
11:32 am

Why doesn’t these people who think we as gun owners are potential terrorist, investigate the known 35 Islamic terrorists training camps in America? Nobody seems to look at these terrorists! The poloticians are looking the other way. I have tried to contact them in my state and to no avail. These Islamic terrorists believe that everybody, no matter what color they are, who doesn’t believe like they do has to be killed.

[...] By Bob Barr [...]

cr747

June 30th, 2009
12:14 pm

I, as one, would think the government would allow pilots to carry weapons during flight.. Seems like pilots would be allowed to carry firearms to protect the passengers from terrorists attack. This don’t make a lot of since to me, for pilots take oaths to protect their planes and passengers. Of course our Washington leaders don’t have to worry about attacks because they are protected by secret service,which is a joke, I’ve seen secret service break their vows and hide behind someone with them coattails, very brave men, ha!!!!!!!. They need to double check some of our secret service men.

Copyleft

June 30th, 2009
12:39 pm

Funny stuff, Ben! I definitely got a chuckle out of that one.

PDinDetroit

June 30th, 2009
1:07 pm

5 out of 5 Bad Guys surveyed say they prefer an unarmed victim to an armed one. Moreover, they prefer to meet their victims in the “Criminal Empowerment Zones” where they can be relatively assured of their own safety.

Any law/rule/regulation that will keep United States Citizens from lawfully owning and possessing a firearm is unconstitutional. This is especially true when denied right of due process, which this “watch list will do”. Any Senator/HR attempting this is violating the oath he/she took going into office and should be reported to the appropriate ethics committees at a minimum (with voting them out as the correct thing to do).

The US Supreme Court has upheld the 2nd Amendment to mean an individual, not collective right. In addition, US Supreme Court has upheld that Police Departments have no duty or responsibility to protect individual citizens and only serve the Public Safety interests.

What this means is that your own personal protection comes down to you. Since some today seem avoid Personal Responsibility at all costs, it is no wonder that they think no one should have guns. Some are just not up to the responsibility of the Freedoms they enjoy.

747Driver

June 30th, 2009
2:59 pm

RE comments by cr747: I assumed by the 747 suffix on your screen name that you were a 747 crew member. But perhaps not as you’d know that I, who am a 747 captain, can carry a gun on a flight Im operating. But it would be nice if my authorization were expanded to any flight Im on, including as a passenger.

Re: “Oaths” to protect passengers: We take no such “oaths”. But as captain Im legally responsible for the safe operation of the flight. The fact Im armed does not authorize me to confront a terrorists to protect passengers. Im armed only as an ultimate means of denying entry into my flight deck.

genaro

June 30th, 2009
4:37 pm

Yep, a government worker am I. Yes, government officials can do what they want, couch it in terms and directives that only they understand but not the public. It happens all the time in government. How about the FOIL system that supposedly gives the public, news agency, and lawyers access to the files. Well, if the government worker or coworkers misplace or loose the document so it isn’t accessible to themselves when you ask for it, guess what, you don’t get it and there is no punishment for documents that “innocently” disappear without a trace, unless you were somehow able from independent sources of obtaining a copy of the document that supposedly isn’t any longer available.
Yup, who puts the person on the watchlist might not be so clear, but the name remains despite the inability of the government to show how it arrived there. And not having to show evidence of how your name got on the list is the same game but more direct via this watch list legislation.
Those are the facts, as seen in years of working for Government.

genaro

June 30th, 2009
5:18 pm

The global perspective of rights might restrict the rights of US citizens once the Constitution is nullified by government appointed and elected officials and politicians who curry favor with international players of world politics.
Will Hillary Clinton and the new US Embassador to the United Nations keep America from the grasp of UN political hacks who would relish America licking their dirt in a subjugation role?
Johnny Depp and the Matrix movie he starred in isn’t so outlandish to what is beginning to go on in USA today.
American Revolutionary hero’s and founders were all to understanding of the control and domination of England sought to impose on its American colonists. Only vigilance against the will of these elected pols who have no concience about American values can keep us on the right tack, and the 2nd Amendment is crucial to Americans freedoms as individuals and not subjects of the latest flavor of kingly Political administration that serves itself.

Tom

June 30th, 2009
8:06 pm

Geee, how many “democrats” voted FOR the so-called patriot act? How many said “YES” to the authorization of force in Iraq?

The pick and choose garbage over who is “right” and who is “left” or right and wrong is just that, garbage! Every damn one of them in office is out for themselves, their job and huge self appointed benefits that the rest of us will never EVER see.

Knock off the divided and conquered crap and lets take OUR country back from these baby-stepping tyrants who hail from the false “two party” system! Seriously, does it matter who holds the whip and the key to the new chains of slavery? “Both” parties have rigged this game, and they nibble away at their assigned targets while holding the reins of power. If you can’t see or understand then for the love of God sit out the next election and let the rest of us actually do something productive by removing these power hungry megalomaniacs from office.

Buckwheat

July 1st, 2009
6:08 am

The problem seems to be getting it through the heads of those who continue to push these ludicrous bills that the criminals who are commiting most of the violent crimes with guns, always have and always will have guns no matter how many “Anti-gun” laws you emplace. The seemingly unknown secret here is #1 their guns aren’t registered or purchased legally and are therefore “Illegal” guns. #2 they are already criminals who don’t abide by any man’s laws or rules so they really don’t care and would actually prefer that the average law abiding citizen has no rights or weapons with which to protect their families and themselves. This would make their tasks of robbing, raping and killing much easier.
The thing that worries me the most is, why is a government so head strong on taking weapons from their law abiding citizens unless it is to disarm them for things yet to come. Especially a government that seems to be more concerned with the rights of “Illegal Immigrants” than the rights of the people paying the bills and their salaries. Remember Castro, Stalin and the likes? They did the same thing just prior to a violent government takeover of the citizens and then murdered millions of innocent, unarmed citizens who protested losing their freedom.
More people are killed by car accidents each year by far than with guns….so when are they going to ban cars? Oh yes, a car is not considered an assault weapon…..yet!

Beware America, something dark lurks in the shadows!

Buckwheat

July 1st, 2009
6:11 am

If this type of bill passes successfully, everyone who comments on these types of blogs will probably end up on the terrorist list! Because you don’t agree with the “Regime”.
And I thought it is now politically incorrect to use the word “Terrorist”?

Buckwheat

July 1st, 2009
6:14 am

If all these “Bills” are so damned good for us, why then do they not allow “Us” to vote on them?

Because they are sneaky and don’t want us to know what they are up to until it is too late!

Made in USA

July 1st, 2009
6:56 am

Either our elected officials think WE Americans are either too stupid to believe they know what is best for the good ole’ US of A or these very same elected officials have BIG BALLS!!! Either way WE Americans are their boss. They should do OUR bidding – not the other way around! We are seeing more and more attempts by THIS administration to intrude into our lives by tweaking the Constitution to the point of re-writing it to suit their needs. Obama and his gang (Pelosi, Reid, et al) are quickly bringing down the great country as sure as the terrorist would do by employing the “sweet talk” rhetoric that they believe we need to hear.

I faithfully served in the military for more than 20 years and I’m damn proud of it. I live in a great Christian society, or I thought I did. This administration apparently doesn’t understand the RIGHT to LIFE, LIBERTY, and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS, which our founding fathers invoked more than 200 years ago.

The RIGHT to LIFE has come to a screeching halt since the 1970’s. Abortion is a law of the land! This is nothing but the federal government to allow the murder of an unborn and defenseless child.

The RIGHT to LIBERTY is grinding to a halt as well. Secret watch lists employed by our government imposing into the lives of he plain and ordinary Mr. and Mrs America has been the vogue since 9/11. More watch lists won’t necessarily make America more secure.

The RIGHT to PURSUE HAPPINESS has been crashing all around for months. The market’s free fall from 15,000 was nearly catastrophic. Mr. and Mrs. America lost MILLIONS of dollars in wages (layoffs from jobs), 401K plans and retirements have all but disappeared, millions of homes foreclosed because banks weren’t honest to ensure potential home-buyers were solvent enough to pay the mortgage.

All of this and more is occurring under the Obama Watch.

We MUST – I emphasize MUST – make our elected officials pay attention to what WE want or need to ensure our RIGHTS are protected, otherwise this administration will unceremoniously guide us into TOTALITARIANISM and maybe ANARCHY!

The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar

July 1st, 2009
7:07 am

Most of you gunnuts would be better served with better medication than with more bullets.

Call your physician today. Ask for anti-psychotics, before you find yourself in a strait-jacket, or shootin’ up a post office, or pistol-whipping one of your kids, or in a Mexican standoff with some other moron in traffic on I-285.

(Guns don’t kill people. Angry crazy idiots kill people.)

Conservative and Proud of it!

July 1st, 2009
10:21 am

Hey Real: Spoken like a true liberal, Kool-aid drinking, follow the party line comrade! Way to go there! Yep spoken like a true Obamafile! You’re an Idiot! Buy the time you and others who think like you pull your heads out of your butt’s and figure it all out it will be too late for everyone! You liberals make me sick! If you want socialism so damn bad why don’t you move you ass over to Europe, they’ve got just what your looking for over there! Leave this great Nation, our Constitution, our God given Rights and Liberties alone! We don’t need you or those who think like you to fix it! It isn’t broke! And it’s quite obvious you know little of what you attempting to talk about. I doubt you’ve ever held a firearm. Nor ever fired one. Your lack of understanding and knowledge are evident. So you attack what you don’t understand out of fear and ignorance. How typical! How liberal!

Gregg Weber

July 1st, 2009
12:59 pm

Two questions
There are four reasons why someone wants gun control. Which is yours?
1 Tyrants want to disarm the people.
2 Criminals want to disarm the victims.
3 Ignorant want to protect the people from accidents.
4 Some unknown to me reason that you will name and define.

Where is the line separating when you would fight for the people and Constitution against an insurrection,
or fight for the people and Constitution against tyranny acting under color of law?

Please give your answers to me at gmweber@q.com especially those in favor of gun control.

Paul

July 1st, 2009
2:09 pm

This president wouldn’t know the truth if it was standing beside him.He is nothing but a lier and desirves to be impeached but unfortunately that will not happen till All Americans rights are destroyed every one should of seen it coming now everyone is crying and he isn’t done with us yet.The demonicrates haven’t given anyone anything without wanting 10 times more in return.To those who voted for him you are getting just what you ask for and it’s Unfortunately that all the rest have to suffer for your stupitity.

Patrick Henry VIII

July 1st, 2009
3:39 pm

NWO toady Loutenterd should be on that “Terrorist Watch List” himself, as his fanatical efforts to undermine the Constitution are really low-level domestic terrorism. Needless to say, in the hands of the Obomination regime, this will really be a list of patriotic political opponents. Their intent is to disarm pro-democracy patriots, so their brand of red guards won’t face any opposition as they sweep across the land, purging any political dissent.

StJ

July 1st, 2009
3:56 pm

Secret government lists, systematic destruction of individual rights, government officials who answer to no one except the King (oh, and let’s not forget the “National Defense Force”). Sounds like German history from the 1930s.

I suppose once the right to bear arms is taken away and the gun owners are killed outright or sent to the concentration camps, then the Dems can enact their version of the Nuremberg Laws and strip away the rights of everyone that is not a registered Democrat. Maybe they’ll stage a “Night Of The Broken Glass” event against conservatives and their businesses. Whatever their intentions are beyond destroying the 2nd Amendment, you can bet that they WILL NOT be for the good of the people. (Maybe for the good of THEIR people, but not for THE people.)

SaveOurRepublic

July 1st, 2009
6:42 pm

Tom @ 20:06 (6/30) & – Amen! It’s glad that others understand the fallacy of the so-called “two” party system. The fact is both DNC & GOP leadership are controlled by the same (Globalist Elite) ma$ters!

Patrick Henry VIII @ 15:39 – You’re right on the money regarding the targets for disarmament (& FEMA camp placement). This Orwellian agenda is about removing the greatest “threats” (ie – those who’ll defend Constitutional freedoms) to the Globalist agenda!

http://www.infowars.com

cwr

July 1st, 2009
7:35 pm

I seen it. On 9-11, George Bush and Dick Cheney was ridin around them towers in these black helycopturs and right before them fotochopped planes “hit” the towers them scoundrels jumped out and each one ran into a buildin with a backpack full of esplosives. They each blowed up a buildin and then that no good Bush had the nerve to hop on a plane and run down to Florida to read to a bunch of kidds. What he was really doing was gettin instrukshuns on how to swim under them levys in New Orluns and blow them thangs up. Them people kaint fool me. I got my edukation in the american publik skool sistem.

John

July 1st, 2009
9:02 pm

Not that this would happen but, as we all know or should know, the first thing a government does, to take over complete control of its citizens, is confiscate the guns. Just another step, but a very big one, in their march to control America as all the other dictators of the world do.

John

July 1st, 2009
9:04 pm

I am not afraid of the enemy out side of the United States. I am very afraid of our very own government. They are doing more damage to our freedoms than any outside influence/enemy could ever do. And it is all in the name of change.

Bruce Hudeck

July 1st, 2009
9:29 pm

I have enough firearms and ammunition to to last several lifetimes already. All law abiding citizens need to have at least one handgun,shotgun,and rifle with “at least” 1000 rounds of ammo for each.

Fed Up.

July 1st, 2009
9:51 pm

Regardless of what party you belong to. ANY politician that is not willing to protect our constitution to the fullest, is one we need to vote out of congress. PERIOD!

Instead of fighting each other debating this fact, we need to be flooding our elected officials with mail, email, and phone calls to demand that they protect our freedoms as outlined by the constitution.

Anything less, is unAmerican!

TRUTH

July 2nd, 2009
1:08 am

Homeland Security reported on mainstram news not too long ago that gun owners,constitutionalists,lebertarians,Ron Paul supporters(Ron Paul is a strict constitutionalist),supposed right wing extremists, and disgruntled returning veterans were the #1 security threat to America. Answer me. Why is this? Why is the government putting out this propaganda? Why are people who want liberty,freedom, and who want to see our beloved constitution upheld ,demonized as the new enemy. “Those who are willing to sacrifice liberty for security deserve niether”. Sound familiar? It’s a quote from one of our founding fathers. Guess who? The Patriot Act is not Patriotic! Here is another one for you. ” A private bank issueing the public currency (the federal reserve) is a greater menace to the liberties of the people than a standing army”. Wake up America!

Richard Norton

July 2nd, 2009
2:54 am

Godhatestrash, Superstar, you my friend are a certified idiot. That said if you ever called me a coward to my face like you did on here, you would be in need of one of those face transplants, with teeth and all. While serving 37 years in the US Army I guess I became a “gun nut” but people like you never say things like to to a man’s face because you are the coward.
And GayLiberal (great name by the way) you also are a POS, the truth is we needed to find that pair of balls years earlier and start kicking ass in this world, and Saddam was a good place to start.
Phatdog, are you really a fat dog, as a felon you lost all your rights when you were convicted, the only people I feel sorry for are the poor jerks that were convicted, or plead guilty to, a minor slap in the face of his wife, that was made retro-active by the wonderful and upstanding President Clinton cannot now own or buy a gun.
And tool yeah lets go all the way to being a Police State, maybe we should call each other comrade? Lets get the national ID cards out to prove who is and who isn’t a criminal.

John in Texas

July 2nd, 2009
9:19 am

Oka folks, if we have lawmakers that will not honor our constitution then we need to prohibit them from holding office. These people are bold, and are openly defining our constitution, show them the door. This is against our law! What is wrong with the voters?

SaveOurRepublic

July 2nd, 2009
9:19 am

TRUTH @ 1:08 AM (7/2) – It’s great to see another enlightened individual responding on this blog. The Missouri Information Analysis Center (MIAC) labeled supporters of 3rd party candidates (Dr.Paul, Chuck Baldwin (Constitution Party) & Mr.Barr), pro-life activists & other strict Constitutionalist as potentially violent “terrorists”, etc. Due the negative exposure/feedback, the MIAC summarization was eventually retracted. These Fed funded Fusion Centers are just another mechanism of the growing Orwellian police state.

The so-called “Patriot”, John Warner Defense Authorization & Military Commissions acts ALL shredded our God ordained Constitutional rights (by design). IMO, the Globalist Neocons are just as traitorous to the Republic as the Marxist Dems (as they’re controlled by the same Ma$ters). BTW, Dr.Paul & Chuck Baldwin are true American patriots IMO. I’ve the upmost respect & appreciate for Dr.Paul & Baldwin.

http://www.infowars.com

The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar

July 2nd, 2009
1:12 pm

Let’s face it. Even congenital idiots can pull the trigger of a gun, so gun ownership/usage is not an intelligence test.

Interesting what happened here – I post a contrary opinion about guns, and the angry gunnut psychos come out of the woodwork, some wanting to fight me in cyberspace. Sort of proving my point that most gunnuts lack the emotional stability and maturity to safely handle dangerous weapons.

Stupid, angry people with guns pose a threat to other people, their families, and themselves.

This cannot be denied, not even by the stupid. This is the real world, not somewhere where people tell you where to go to work, when to eat and sleep, how to wear your uniform; there is no one to lead you around by the nose and make sure you have a place to sleep and meals to eat, no one you have to salute and grovel before. It’s scary for some, but you can make it without all the bullets.

TRUTH

July 2nd, 2009
1:53 pm

Real Godhates Trash said “This cannot be denied, not even by the stupid. This is the real world, not somewhere where people tell you where to go to work, when to eat and sleep, how to wear your uniform; there is no one to lead you around by the nose and make sure you have a place to sleep and meals to eat, no one you have to salute and grovel before. It’s scary for some, but you can make it without all the bullets.”

Although you make a valid point that yes there are unfortunately idiots out there that give responsible gun owners a bad name.

Waht you just spoke of is something that will happen unless we stand up to the corruption in our government. Not through armed revolt but through educating and getting the people to come together to stang for true liberty and freedom. Its not about left or right anymore. And there is a reason why our founding father’s gave us the rule of law, the Constitution. To ensure government does not become tyrannical.

Bill

July 2nd, 2009
2:14 pm

A constitutional right can be validly curtailed only to the extent that it conflicts with carrying out some other constitutional right, i.e. denying the right to bear arms to someone under constitutional restraint (prison, under arrest) would be valid because to allow otherwise would potentially defeat that restraint. It would also be valid in the interests of public well-being, an implied constitutional concern, to deny firearms rights to mental defectives and others shown to be lacking the judgment to safely own firearms. All this would be because of individual conditions or circumstances, not because of being in some class, i.e. felon. The Tenth Amendment says that unless the constitution specifically authorizes the government to do something, it cannot do it; the Second Amendment says that the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; the Fourteenth Amendment says that everyone is entitled to the equal protection of the laws. In a nutshell: felons, as such, cannot be denied Second Amendment rights. What is so difficult to understand about this?

Jason MacGregor

July 5th, 2009
11:51 am

You know what’s interesting? I have never seen ANYONE stand up to say, “hey! what about DUE PROCESS?” Does this not sound anything like a direct violation of Due Process? Or are we all idiots?

NascarDave39

July 5th, 2009
2:23 pm

The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar

July 2nd, 2009
1:12 pm
Let’s face it. Even congenital idiots can pull the trigger of a gun, so gun ownership/usage is not an intelligence test.

Interesting what happened here – I post a contrary opinion about guns, and the angry gunnut psychos come out of the woodwork, some wanting to fight me in cyberspace. Sort of proving my point that most gunnuts lack the emotional stability and maturity to safely handle dangerous weapons.

Stupid, angry people with guns pose a threat to other people, their families, and themselves.

This cannot be denied, not even by the stupid. This is the real world, not somewhere where people tell you where to go to work, when to eat and sleep, how to wear your uniform; there is no one to lead you around by the nose and make sure you have a place to sleep and meals to eat, no one you have to salute and grovel before. It’s scary for some, but you can make it without all the bullets.

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That 1 firearm owner in 10,000 will commit an act of violence in his or her lifetime, and this is far more frightening than the 25% of drivers who will cause a serious or fatal accident.

That the depressed and emotionally disturbed should not be allowed to own guns that shoot bullets with 250 ft-lbs of energy, but should be allowed to own 4000 lb cars with 1,136,000 ft-lbs of energy (at 65 mph).

That among the hundreds of documented cases against anti-gun freaks we note that: the press secretary of Handgun Control was arrested in DC for discharging an illegal handgun, a ranking regional officer of the Million Moron March was convicted of felony assault, and other Million Morons in Colorado have been arrested for attacking firearm dealers and activists, but “gun nuts” are “obsessed with violence.”

That because of the bombing at Oklahoma City and the knife-point hijacking on September 11, we should take guns away from people who weren’t involved.

That intelligent people should support gun control because they realize they are too stupid to be trusted with guns.

That if honest people give up their weapons, the criminals and dictators will give up theirs, as Chicago street gangs and Hitler have demonstrated.

That only the government should control guns, just as only the government should control broadcasting, and only the government should control religion.

That we should deal with the problem of criminals using illegal weapons by taking lawful weapons away from honest people.

That gun owners are “potential terrorists,” because they have all the necessary equipment, just like Sarah Brady is a “potential hooker,” because she has all the necessary equipment.

That ordinary people, in the presence of guns, turn into slaughtering butchers, and revert to normal when the weapon is removed.

NascarDave39

July 5th, 2009
2:56 pm

The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar

June 29th, 2009
1:17 pm
Unfortunately, most gunnuts are sick people, easily led. Fortunately, most of them are physical cowards, hiding behind their guns for even the most innocuous, day to day interactions with other people.

Fondling their weapons is usually enough to keep them happy.

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That 1 firearm owner in 10,000 will commit an act of violence in his or her lifetime, and this is far more frightening than the 25% of drivers who will cause a serious or fatal accident.

That among the hundreds of documented cases against anti-gun freaks we note that: the press secretary of Handgun Control was arrested in DC for discharging an illegal handgun, a ranking regional officer of the Million Moron March was convicted of felony assault, and other Million Morons in Colorado have been arrested for attacking firearm dealers and activists, but “gun nuts” are “obsessed with violence.”

That people buy guns as “substitute penises,” because they know that only people with small penises ever get attacked by criminals.

That a gun is merely an inadequate substitute for a penis, so when attacked by a mugger one should pull out a…

That a gun is a symbolic penis…what this has to do with defending one’s life I have no idea. It simply serves to prove that anti-defense psychiatrists clearly have Freudian issues that THEY need to address.

That people who own guns out of a fear of crime are paranoid, but people who don’t want other people to own guns in case it causes them to commit crimes are rational.

That guns are the gravest threat to society because 83,000,000 gun owners didn’t commit a crime yesterday.

That you don’t need a gun, therefore no one needs one, and you have the right to impose that belief and will on others.

That according to Diane Whinestein, there is no left-wing conspiracy to send police and troops to imprison American gun owners, but there is a vast, right-wing conspiracy of gun owners who must be disarmed for attempting to stop it.

That gun owners are all ignorant and stupid, but nevertheless belong to a huge, well-organized conspiracy that exists to destroy the nation.

That guns cause crime, even though crime has been shown to drop in areas with higher levels of gun ownership, and to rise where guns are restricted. This is due to “other factors.” We should ignore those other factors and ban guns.

That a gun is a symbolic penis, and the person telling you this is a psychiatrist who drives a BMW.

NascarDave39

July 5th, 2009
3:03 pm

NascarDave39

July 5th, 2009
2:56 pm
The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar

June 29th, 2009
1:17 pm
Unfortunately, most gunnuts are sick people, easily led. Fortunately, most of them are physical cowards, hiding behind their guns for even the most innocuous, day to day interactions with other people.

Fondling their weapons is usually enough to keep them happy.

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That 1 firearm owner in 10,000 will commit an act of violence in his or her lifetime, and this is far more frightening than the 25% of drivers who will cause a serious or fatal accident.

That among the hundreds of documented cases against anti-gun freaks we note that: the press secretary of Handgun Control was arrested in DC for discharging an illegal handgun, a ranking regional officer of the Million Moron March was convicted of felony assault, and other Million Morons in Colorado have been arrested for attacking firearm dealers and activists, but “gun nuts” are “obsessed with violence.”

That people buy guns as “substitute penises,” because they know that only people with small penises ever get attacked by criminals.

That a gun is merely an inadequate substitute for a penis, so when attacked by a mugger one should pull out a…

That a gun is a symbolic penis…what this has to do with defending one’s life I have no idea. It simply serves to prove that anti-defense psychiatrists clearly have Freudian issues that THEY need to address.

That people who own guns out of a fear of crime are paranoid, but people who don’t want other people to own guns in case it causes them to commit crimes are rational.

That guns are the gravest threat to society because 83,000,000 gun owners didn’t commit a crime yesterday.

That you don’t need a gun, therefore no one needs one, and you have the right to impose that belief and will on others.

That according to Diane Whinestein, there is no left-wing conspiracy to send police and troops to imprison American gun owners, but there is a vast, right-wing conspiracy of gun owners who must be disarmed for attempting to stop it.

That gun owners are all ignorant and stupid, but nevertheless belong to a huge, well-organized conspiracy that exists to destroy the nation.

That guns cause crime, even though crime has been shown to drop in areas with higher levels of gun ownership, and to rise where guns are restricted. This is due to “other factors.” We should ignore those other factors and ban guns.

That a gun is a symbolic penis, and the person telling you this is a psychiatrist who drives a BMW.

That hate is not a family value, but all gun owners are tobacco-chawin’, beer-swillin’, racist, redneck bubbas.

NascarDave39

July 5th, 2009
3:20 pm

Terry

June 29th, 2009
3:15 pm
Barr is at it again, the man is known for scaring the simple minded with his anti Democratic propaganda. The only people who should be scared of gun control are the ones who are criminals and mentally unstable, otherwise you have nothing to worry about except the power of the NRA. Any lobby that has so much power over our country’s leadership should be feared. The Patriot act stripped us of more freedom and liberty than anything since the 1860’s
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That the Patriot Act, allowing the government to obtain library or bookstore records as “an important tool for investigating and intercepting terrorism’ even though they haven’t done so is morally repugnant, but banning assault weapons that haven’t been used in crime IS “An important tool for fighting crime and terrorism.”

David O

July 6th, 2009
1:36 am

Quoted by TW “Besides, why not let the dems have a shot at driving the ‘fear of terrorism’ train? After all, while the GOP had the lead they used it to invade a country that had nothing to do with terrorism, as well as line the pockets of their buds at Blackwater, Halliburton, etc”
It is exactly this type of stupidity that is going to ruin this nation and turn the U.S. into another worthless European Clone…Wake up people…The wolf is at the door and it is time to take action….We need to begin by Impeaching Obama!

steve

July 6th, 2009
9:23 am

COME AND TAKE IT

cwc

July 9th, 2009
4:42 pm

Many good Americans have died to have the freedoms we enjoy. It is firghtening that people in government would take our freedoms away from us. They should work to insure greater freedom, not to restrict freedom. The day law abiding citizens are not allowed to carry firearms will be the end of our freedom. We need a watch list for “freedom takers” mostly elected government officials and the liberal people they employee for the government.

JohnfromWheatonIllinois

July 9th, 2009
5:30 pm

I’ve never posted any comments here before, but after reading everyone else’s comments it’s obvious that the majority of people really do see what’s happening to our great country. Our’s is a very unique country with our Constitution and Bill of Rights, that “no other ” country has. There are governments all over the world cursing us because their people dream of our freedoms everyday and wish they could live here.

It’s no surprise that the so called United Nations wants to influence “our” laws by putting their two cents in regrading gun control in this country. We are the one bright light in the world standing in the way of those that wish for a World Government that has control over EVERYONE.

People who don’t see this yet need to step back and not get sucked into Tunnelvision. This isn’t about which party you belong to. Try to see the entire picture of what’s happening around the world, and you’ll understand what Obama and his sidekicks are trying to pull off.

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The Mantis

July 10th, 2009
1:27 pm

“A gun in the hands of a bad man is a very dangerous thing. A gun in the hands of a good person is no danger to anyone except the bad guys.”

~ Charlton Heston, 1997

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Ron

July 30th, 2009
2:13 pm

This si why we have the second amendment, to prevent the governemt from doing things like this. This governemt is way out of control and they need to have their butts kicked out of office, ALL of them because they are no longer working FOR THE PEOPLE of this country but instead working to gain total control over it’s people. They can have my guns when they pry them out of my cold dead fingers! The people of this country need to get off their butts and take countrol of this government before it IS to late.. Once the government takes our guns away completely, it will be to late and the only people that will be to blame is ourselves for letting them do it.. And that right there is the problem.. Everyone complains about it but no one is willing to do ANYTHING about it!!!!

barbara winton

August 11th, 2009
3:44 pm

Though many people commit crimes, gun control will never work.Who gave our Authorities the right to twist the Constitution to better fit THIER agends?Sadly the Constitution is being raped over and over and with no end in sight.As such,the Government needs to take the original Constitution out of its vault and rip it up.It is a worthlessly stripped document and the Museum needs to stop making money off false promises as well.