California Gun Decision Muddies 2nd Amendment Waters

It’s been less than a year since the U.S. Supreme Court issued its landmark Heller decision affirming the principle that the 2nd Amendment does indeed protect an individual right to keep and bear arms, and that the right it thus protects is a fundamental right. The High Court last June clearly established: (1) that we — the people — possess an individual right to own firearms; (2) that this fundamental right pre-dated the Constitution (in other words, the 2nd Amendment does not grant us the right, it merely protects it); and (3) that a state government (or, in the facts of the case itself, the District of Columbia) cannot so restrict the right that it in essence nullifies it.

Now, in an April 20th decision, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals (in a case out of Alameda County, California) has already muddied the 2nd Amendment picture clarified by the Heller decision. The circuit court did this by holding that the county government may prohibit firearms anywhere on property owned by the county (including guns shows at facilities owned by the county).

Actually, the fact that we’re already witnessing confusion being sown involving the scope of the 2nd Amendment and of the extent to which it may permissibly be limited, should surprise no one. There are hundreds if not thousands of local governments spread across the 50 states that are governed by anti-firearms advocates, who will zealously continue their efforts to limit to the greatest extent they are able the ability of citizens to possess firearms of various types, in various quantities, and in various locations.

At any rate, because the Supreme Court last year left open the question of the precise manners in which governments may impose restrictions on the exercise of the 2nd Amendment by the citizenry, such challenges as was ruled on in the Alameda County case by the 9th Circuit, will likely become more commonplace as the precise extent of the Heller ruling is challenged.

However, the 9th Circuit decision did reach one other, and very important conclusion. Even though the court did find that a county government can bar possession of firearms anywhere on its property (very broadly defined), the circuit panel did agree that the Due Process clause of the 14th Amendment (which protects a person from having their life, liberty or property taken without due process of the law) does incorporate the 2nd Amendment’s guarantee of the right to possess a firearm. As the NRA noted in a press release discussing the decision, this conclusion is an important precedent.

So, inside this dark cloud of an opinion — which allows a local government to deny a fundamental right simply because a person happens to be in or even walk across property owned by the local government entity — is a silver lining. Perhaps if we have more court decisions with such silver linings, in the not-too-distant future, citizens all across America will be able to enjoy the practical manifestation of the fundamental right recognized in the Heller decision — not just those of us lucky enough to live in communities not governed by anti-gun advocates.


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Democrap Party

April 24th, 2009
10:05 am

I’ve heard rumors of President Teleprompter wanting to sign into law a bill that would make buying ammo next to impossible. Meaning, tax the hell out of makers of ammo until they have to go out of business. This new administration is getting scarier and scarier everyday.

Government has an important role in helping develop a country’s economic foundation. But the critical test is whether government is genuinely working to liberate individuals by creating incentives to work, save, invest, and succeed. -Ronald Reagan

Democrap Party

April 24th, 2009
10:07 am

We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. -Ronald Reagan

Barr, Ronald Reagan was WAY ahead of his time. His words speak volumes for this new administration.

Democrap Party

April 24th, 2009
10:08 am

Government growing beyond our consent had become a lumbering giant, slamming shut the gates of opportunity, threatening to crush the very roots of our freedom. What brought America back? The American people brought us back — with quiet courage and common sense; with undying faith that in this nation under God the future will be ours, for the future belongs to the free. -Ronald Reagan

bullwinkle

April 24th, 2009
10:12 am

That’s the problem, “RUMORS”. Rumors probably help cause the deaths of the 3 Pittsburg Police Officers. Get the facts first. But I guess rumor reliance is the conservative WAY!!!

bullwinkle

April 24th, 2009
10:16 am

Isn’t Ronald Reagan dead? Let’s move forward and let the new administration have it’s chance. Can’t do much worst than the LAST!!!

Robb

April 24th, 2009
10:23 am

No, bullwinkle, a mentally unstable man killed three police officers, not rumors.

Billy Bob the anti-THUG

April 24th, 2009
10:25 am

Now, there’s a Demotard platform you can believe in:

“CAN’T DO MUCH WORSE THAN THE LAST!!”

Turkey Slayer

April 24th, 2009
10:27 am

To Bullwrinkle and no I didn’t mis-spell it. That was not a rumor at all. The sitting Pres. is actively seeking ways to disarm America. The proposal was to institute a serial # for each bullet manufactured. When sold the buyer would assume responsability for that serial #. If something illegal was done using that bullet, then it could be traced back to the purchaser. Now in theory this seems like a good idea. However, the cost associated with this ie: National data base, government operating costs would make it darn near impossible for the average sportsman to be able to afford ammunition. Another problem is that this would represent Government control over ammunition. Then all hell breaks loose. Do you remember Prohibition? The governments attempt to control the manufacture, distribution and consumption of alcohol. Buddy, socialism is not the way. It has never been sucessful in any country.

The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar

April 24th, 2009
10:38 am

Of course, Mr. Barr completely ignores the gundamentalist zealots, whose agenda would include arming your kindergardeners, shotguns in churches, and handguns in the delivery room, since they believe that guns and the Second Amendment is the panacea of all our societal issues and ills.

The NRA used to be an organization of hunters and sportsmen. Since LaPierre and Heston, it has been infiltrated (and taken over) by an angry, scared mob of paranoids and Chicken Littles, armageddonists, Luddites, gummint-haters, Waco whackos, wite soopremasissies, xenophobes, homophobes, and, of course, neo-Confederates.

The NRA is right though – guns don’t kill people, people do. And, now, in the US, many of the people that own guns are misanthropic crazies, who have been stoked and wound up by forty years of unrelenting whining, hating, and paranoid ranting from the GOP.

The uncomfortable truths about guns are these: 1) your weapon is infinitely more likely to kill or maim you or your family than a criminal and 2) he or she that pulls the weapon first has a distinct, almost insurmountable advantage and 3) you are far more likely to die at the hands of a deranged, legal gunnut gunowner than at the hands of a “terrist”.

(I understand that gun and ammunition sales have sky-rocketed since Obama’s election, that ammo is hard to get – can someone give me a (non-paranoid) explanation of the reason for the spike in sales, other than Mr. Obama’s complexion or “funny-sounding” name?)

MikeB

April 24th, 2009
10:42 am

The legislators who continue to tinker with 2nd ammendment rights for their own political adgenda, conveniently forget that criminals do not care what law is on the books.

They will have their guns anyway. When these laws/regulations are created then enforced, the only people they effect are the law abiding citizens who will become easy targets for the lawless.

Politicians needs to stop stealing personal power from law abiding citizens.

You can legislate all the restrictions possible on the 2nd ammendment, the south side of Chicago, Oakland, the Anacostia (southside D.C.), and South Central L.A. will still be the stinkholes they are today, and probably worse, because the police will no longer have what little help from law abiding citizens in those areas that they have now.

How is this progress? Is this the change people wants?

Sam

April 24th, 2009
11:00 am

Why are your panties in such a wad Turkey Slayer? Just do what all the other paranoid wingnuts do and just go ahead and buy a lifetime supply and bury it in that survival bunker you must have somewhere on your property. Then when “they” come for you and you make your moron’s last stand at least when they pry your cold dead fingers from your beloved weapon of choice, you die with plenty of ammo left over.

Tank

April 24th, 2009
11:06 am

The REAL GodHates Trash, Superstar:

I just wanted to share some information from Kaiser Family statehealthfacts.org. You can verify or validate the information at their website. As far as I know, this is not politically biased information.

The US traffic fatality rate in 2005 was 15.2 deaths per 100,000 (the most recent data available).

The US firearms fatality rate in 2005 was 10.3 deaths per 100,000 (the most recent data available). The firearm fatality rate includes accidental discharge of firearm, intentional self-harm by firearm, assault by firearm and legal intervention involving firearm discharge.

Interestingly, the violent crime offenses rate per 100,000 inhabitants in the District of Columbia, which boasts the most restrictive gun laws in the US, was over 1,500. This is more than three times the national average.

I also encourage you to look at the section entitled “Number of Deaths Due to Firearms per 100,000 Population by Race/Ethnicity, 2005.” Rather than impose more restrictive gun control on the US population at large, perhaps it is time to impose more restrictive gun control on the citizenry based on race/ethnicity. But, that would be against the Constitution.

Given the US traffic fatality rates, why don’t hear more voices raised for mandatory breathalyzer start systems for automobiles, reduced speed limits or more aggressive driver training programs.

As far as increased gun and ammo sales leading up to, and following, the election is concerned… Perhaps it has more to do with politics than color. Hillary, Biden, Pelosi, Reid and Obama have stated their position on gun control in the past.

But for you, it is always about race-baiting. Yes, I made reference to race and ethnicity in my comment, but the facts are there to back it up. The facts don’t come from the NRA or GOP, they come from Kaiser.

You are a racist and bigot. Just look at the way you describe those with views unlike yours, “angry, scared mob of paranoids and Chicken Littles, armageddonists, Luddites, gummint-haters, Waco whackos, wite soopremasissies, xenophobes, homophobes, and, of course, neo-Confederates.”

Democrap Party

April 24th, 2009
11:08 am

PUBLIC ENEMY SPEAKS OUT AGAINST PRESIDENT TELEPROMPTER.

When THE most influential rap group or the late 80s and early 90s speaks out against the current president you know something is wrong.

Rap Group Public Enemy Warn Of “The Obama Deception”

Paul Joseph Watson

Public Enemy – one of the most influential rap groups in music history – took an opportunity at the Coachella 2009 festival to warn their audience about “The Obama Deception,” in reference to Alex Jones’ recently released underground blockbuster documentary.

The L.A. Times reports that Public Enemy member Professor Griff, who himself appears in the film, “made repeated references to the “Obama deception,” during the concert in California at which Paul McCartney, Morrissey, the Cure and Leonard Cohen also performed.

Public Enemy’s 2005 album was entitled “New Whirl Order” and included tracks such as “66.6 Strikes Again,” “What A Fool Believes,” and “Revolution”. The band were at their peak in the late 80’s. Their 1988 album It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back peaked at #42 on the Billboard 200, and at #1 on the Billboard R&B/Hip hop Album charts and is routinely ranked in the top 50 albums of all time, being regarded as one of the most influential and groundbreaking records in history.

Public Enemy, along with N.W.A., were two of the seminal acts in the organic explosion of hip-hop during the latter 1980’s, when the grassroots of the genre was all about black people becoming informed, empowered and strong and breaking free from stereotypical associations with poverty and drugs.

As soon as hip-hop became a vehicle for political and personal awakening, it was seized and devoured by corporate America and MTV, before being gradually deformed into what we see on television today – where black icons rap not about fighting the man or standing up to the system, but about how much money and sex they have while girls with giant buttocks wiggle around behind them.

We continually hear about huge music stars using their gargantuan public platforms to educate the public about the new world order at concerts and gigs.

At the internationally renowned Reading festival In August 2006, Muse front man Matt Bellamy donned a T-shirt emblazoned with the words “Terrorstorm,” wearing it for the band’s headline performance which was watched collectively by tens of millions of people worldwide.

Peter Courtenay Stephens

April 24th, 2009
11:09 am

“An Unarmed People is an Enslaved people”.
“A Disarmed People is a Conquered People”.
I will not be Enslaved or Conquered.
“The American People pretend to Be Free. Our Masters in Washington Pretend to Agree”.
Get up off your belly America.
Death to Tyrants and Crooked Politicians

Democrap Party

April 24th, 2009
11:10 am

bullwinkle, a deranged monster killed the police officers. Don’t know how you tie that in with conservatism.

Oh, and yes Reagan is dead but EVERYONE continues to talk about him.

Democrap Party

April 24th, 2009
11:11 am

Billy Bob the anti-THUG, you are absolutely correct. If the platform is “hey, we can’t do worse” then we are in BIG BIG trouble.

LibertyUnity

April 24th, 2009
11:12 am

Why do you let political assets turn you against each other using a phony left / right paradigm? There is only one political party in this country, the party of corruption. All this jackass or elephant drivel exists solely to force the sheep to fight themselves while the criminal political PARTY loots them, and installs a new despotic government inch by inch. Laws are being replaced by the bottom 10% carrying automatic weapons on US streets. Hope u figure it out soon. Partisan hacks defend corrupt criminals.

LibertyUnity

April 24th, 2009
11:12 am

Freedom Rules

April 24th, 2009
11:22 am

1) More people are killed by automobiles in a day than firearms in a month yet no one wants to ban cars.
2) The right to keep and bear arms was not put in place to guarantee hunting or sport shooting. Its because the first thing the British did in the Revolutionary period was attempt to disarm the colonists.
3) The first thing Hitler did was to register and confiscate all firearms. Stalin did it, so have countless other dictators. Once the people are disarmed they can’t fight back.

Democrap Party

April 24th, 2009
11:23 am

LibertyUnity, you’re correct about both parties being corrupt. That’s why people are moving towards third parties now. It’s the same reason why I am a registered Libertarian.

The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar

April 24th, 2009
11:27 am

Tank, other than my mention of ‘wite soopremasissies’ I didn’t mention race.

Besides Being 100% Caucasian myself, I don’t consider those folks as a “race”, per se.

Let’s face it, they are misanthropic whiners, haters, and paranoids, amongst the worst among us. They are not the brightest bulbs, either.

They are hardly the people that I want representing my people, but to each his/her own.

bullseye

April 24th, 2009
11:48 am

Well stated, Tank. Tyrants are pathetic cowards that unceasingly whine about their fears of the responsibilities of individual freedom. Perhaps never properly teat weaned is explanatory for such male behavior and female tyrants, well, what more can be expected of the progeny of the aforementioned or for having selected one as a mate.

Tank

April 24th, 2009
11:52 am

To Freedom Rules,

While I appreciate your enthusiasm, and probably agree with you, you will want to verify your information.

In 2005, there were just over 15 automobile fatalities per 100,000 inhabitants in the US. At the same time, there were just over 10 firearm fatalities per 100,000 inhabitants.

These figures are from Kaiser (see my earlier post). If we are going to win the gun control debate with liberals, we need to present fact based, independent data.

Tank (NRA Life Member)

Democrap Party

April 24th, 2009
11:58 am

Well looky here, Obama Hussein could not cure poverty.

Henrietta Hughes still struggling

FORT MYERS, Fla. – Henrietta Hughes is still struggling to make ends meet.

Unemployed and homeless, she caught national attention during President Obama’s visit to Fort Myers when she asked for his help. After her plea, Hughes was given a free place to stay, but she still can’t find a job and may soon find herself homeless again.

From CNN to Fox to WINK News, her story was everywhere. Today though you’ll find her at the Career Service Center in Fort Myers.

“It’s almost our second home,” Henrietta said of her time at the center.

She and her son Corey are taking computer classes. She hopes it gives them the edge to get a job. “We can start fresh,” she said.

However, her problem is that few industries are hiring. Since February she says they’ve been knocking on doors and applying for as many jobs as they can, but no luck.

Adding to her worries the house she’s living in for free, is only temporary. Representative Nick Thompson’s wife, Chene, owns the home and is allowing Henrietta to live there until it sells.

“Thank God for Mrs. Chene Thompson for allowing us to stay in her house,” Henrietta said.

If she has to move without having a job, Henrietta fears she’ll be back at square one — living in her truck.

Though she hasn’t had to pay rent, Henrietta says she hasn’t saved much money either. Her bills are often more than her income. Now she’s praying her story ends how she hoped it would. “Get a job and get on to do things that I decide to do,” she said.

Henrietta does have a job interview on Monday to do administrative work at a local hospital. She’s hoping some of the computer skills she was learning help her get the job.

http://www.winknews.com/news/local/43385017.html

Democrap Party

April 24th, 2009
12:00 pm

Tank, what I have always found fascinating about liberals is the fact that they NEVER blame the monsters who commit the crime. Look at Columbine. Libs INCLUDING Bill Clinton blamed guns instead of the two deranged monsters.

BanksterCrooks

April 24th, 2009
12:03 pm

LibertyUnity, fiat money can work if administered properly– google the film “The Money Masters.” To go back to the gold standard just puts you back under the banksters who own most of the world’s gold–including that which used to be in Fort Knox. I agree with you somewhat about the left/right thing, but when you have Republicans justifying torture–and evil men such as Cheney in charge of our security on 9-11–I want to know what really happened. We need a real independent investigation into 9-11 and not Condaleeza Rice’s book partner in charge as was the case in the last mock investigation. I don’t want Chertoff over at Popular Mechanics putting the rubber stamp on his cousin Chertoff’s report at Homeland Security. But since you are right about the left/right thing being mostly bogus, I doubt there will be a real investigation into the events of 9-11. Since they’ve given approximately 12 trillion to the banksters (see Professor Michael Hudson talks) it seems they can kill us and rob us without fear of prosecution, just as they have done in countries around the world.

Educate Yourself

April 24th, 2009
12:04 pm

The Second Amendment is not for sporting purposes. It was added primarily so the people could fight back against a corrupt and despotic government. When Obama talks about sporting weapons he totally misses the fundamental purpose of the second amendment. Any infringement is illegal and helps destroy our Constitution. Without the Constitution we have no country, only a second rate dictatorship with too many bombs and too many jack booted thugs. The United States is the Constitution.

There are no differences between Democrats or Republicans. It is all a big television production for your benefit. It is a false paradigm designed to keep all of us divided and continually fighting each other while they destroy our Constitution . Albert Einstein said the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Democrats and Republicans continue to vote for the same old liars even though nothing ever changes. This fits the definition of insanity, proving most Americans are insane and completely asleep as afar as the truth is concerned.

Obama continues the policies of the Bush Administration, proving that there is no difference between Democrats and Republicans. The new boss is the same as the old boss and is controlled by the rich men of this world. You’ve been fooled into believing that you pick who becomes the President, but when both candidates are controlled by the same people you’ve been given a false sense of freedom.

Democrap Party

April 24th, 2009
12:10 pm

“You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.”
-Dr. Adrian Rogers

Democrap Party

April 24th, 2009
12:12 pm

Educate Yourself, DAMN STRAIGHT!

Aeronautical Engineer

April 24th, 2009
12:15 pm

Democrap Party,

In reference to your fears about ammo taxes, take a look at DC right now, you can’t buy ammo anywhere!! Open your eyes.

James

April 24th, 2009
12:17 pm

The gun lobby has it all wrong. The 2nd amendment protects the right to bear arms not guns. I should be able to acquire any weapon systme i can afford except nuclear weapons. Until they advocate the true intent of the laws they will not have the support of the general public.

Democrap Party

April 24th, 2009
12:22 pm

James, you have it totally wrong. Sophisticated weapons systems didn’t exist back then. Our founding fathers had no idea what sort of weapons would be developed. I don’t think they had plastic explosives, Apache helicopters or submarines in mind when they constructed the 2nd amendment.

Xpandyomind13

April 24th, 2009
12:25 pm

The problem is this administration will do MUCH WORSE. They will act our liberties at a much more alarming rate claiming it is for our protection from “terrorists.” The only terrorists I see, are the ones in office. The self serving representatives through out Congress and the White House. Conservatives are for the protection of OUR Liberties and Rights. We don’t need big government telling us how to live OUR lives.

Democrap Party

April 24th, 2009
12:29 pm

More liberal hypocrisy when it comes to debate.

Report: Democrats Refuse to Allow Skeptic to Testify Alongside Gore At Congressional Hearing

House Democrats don’t want Gore humiliated’

Climate Depot Exclusive

Washington, DC — UK’s Lord Christopher Monckton, a former science advisor to Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, claimed House Democrats have refused to allow him to appear alongside former Vice President Al Gore at a high profile global warming hearing on Friday April 24, 2009 at 10am in Washington. Monckton told Climate Depot that the Democrats rescinded his scheduled joint appearance at the House Energy and Commerce hearing on Friday. Monckton said he was informed that he would not be allowed to testify alongside Gore when his plane landed from England Thursday afternoon.

“The House Democrats don’t want Gore humiliated, so they slammed the door of the Capitol in my face,” Monckton told Climate Depot in an exclusive interview. “They are cowards.”

According to Monckton, Rep. Joe Barton (R-Texas), Ranking Member on the Energy & Commerce Committee, had invited him to go head to head with Gore and testify at the hearing on Capitol Hill Friday. But Monckton now says that when his airplane from London landed in the U.S. on Thursday, he was informed that the former Vice-President had “chickened out” and there would be no joint appearance. Gore is scheduled to testify on Friday to the Subcommittee on Energy and the Environment’s fourth day of hearings on the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009. The hearing will be held in 2123 Rayburn House Office Building.

According to Monckton, House Democrats told the Republican committee staff earlier this week that they would be putting forward an unnamed ‘celebrity’ as their star witness Friday at a multi-panel climate hearing examining the House global warming bill. The “celebrity” witness turned out to be Gore. Monckton said the GOP replied they would respond to the Democrats’ “celebrity” with an unnamed “celebrity” of their own. But Monckton claims that when the Democrats were told who the GOP witness would be, they refused to allow him to testify alongside Gore.

“The Democrats have a lot to learn about the right of free speech under the US Constitution. Congress Henry Waxman’s (D-CA) refusal to expose Al Gore’s sci-fi comedy-horror testimony to proper, independent scrutiny by the House minority reeks of naked fear,” Monckton said from the airport Thursday evening.

http://www.climatedepot.com/a/429/Report-Democrats-Refuse-to-Allow-Skeptic-to-Testify-Alongside-Gore-At-Congressional-Hearing

James B Norman

April 24th, 2009
12:38 pm

Read John Locke and the 5000 Year Leap and tell me if this is where we should be? Our constitution was stolen in the early 1900’s and has been twisted and twisted to mean anything. Its 1984 Utopian Ideology shared between two camps. Welfare and warfare. When you compromise on staitist ideas, you just get more staitist ideas.

Now we are the warfare and welfare capital of the world and we wonder why we are broke. The Government has not right to take our money in taxes untill the Progressives got into power. We need to take our money back and let Banks pick up that tab for once. I am sick of making banks rich by making people poor.

Jimbo

April 24th, 2009
12:50 pm

@Democrap
No, they didn’t have modern weapons systems in mind back then, but they did allow citizens to own cannons and private companies (where everything was owned by one person) to arm ships and other things. Hell, you could buy a frigate, arm it, get a letter of marque from the US government, and wander out into the Gulf of Mexico and shoot up whoever you were contracted to attack. Even today a frigate could do a lot of damage.

@whoever mentioned the bullet serialization bill.
It’s legislative language being introduced at the state level and no government who doesn’t like a funding black hole will do it.

As for all the gun legislation people are afraid of (assault weapons ban, blair holt, etc) they’re in committee and that’s where they’ll likely die. The Blair Holt Bill, which is especially restrictive, doesn’t have a single co-sponsor which means that no one wants to see their name on that bill.. that’s a pretty good sign it’s going no where fast.

When Eric Holder started spouting off at the mouth about gun control, Nancy-freakin’-Pelosi clamped down on him and said “we should enforce the laws we have”

Then Obama basically said, “we’re not going that route”

and no one has really said anything about it since.

They want to still be in office on 2010 and they want a re-election in 2012 and they know that gun owners (sorry your stereotypes didn’t work out god hates trash.. by the way, you’re a textbook case of ad hominem and straw man attacks, you know that, right?) are a larger demographic than some minorities and many of us vote with our guns.

The shortage of ammunition is purely demand outstripping supply. People are concerned that a state congressman, senator, and now president, from Chicago is probably pretty hot on gun control. It could be because Illinois has a long history of strict gun control and Chicago is the big black hole of gun control. Of course, they still have to occasionally trot out the SWAT team to maintain security in their gun free utopia and children die in their public schools by the score, but they have a history of strict gun control. It’s not unreasonable to believe that a guy from there will continue his long tradition of gun control as president and because of that, and legislation like Blair Holt, People want their ammo.. and it’s not because they want to hold off the government. Do you know how hard it is to go to the range without bullets? Most of us do this as a hobby and it takes bullets to do that, so most people are stocking up while they feel they can and others are purchasing large lots so they can sell it later at inflated prices. It’s capitalism at its finest.

Democrap Party

April 24th, 2009
12:53 pm

Jimbo, true but the fact is, law abiding citizens don’t usually go around shooting or blowing innocent people up. The framers knew this.

Democrap Party

April 24th, 2009
12:54 pm

Barr, I really like your blog because intelligent people on the left and right can debate without name calling.

Democrap Party

April 24th, 2009
1:03 pm

Giving Back Cold War Gains
We’re all losing ground — ground that was worth winning.

By Jonah Goldberg

In 1993, Bill Clinton joked, “Gosh, I miss the Cold War.” Because, he explained, somberly: “We had an intellectually coherent thing. The American people knew what the rules were.”

Such Cold War nostalgia vexed many conservatives. It seemed to us that the Cold War consensus had broken down with the Vietnam War. Clinton himself didn’t much like that Cold War endeavor, which is one reason he worked so assiduously to avoid serving in it. A young John Kerry did serve, but he also threw away his medals and denounced his fellow servicemen as war criminals. Jimmy Carter, meanwhile, had proclaimed that he had no “inordinate fear of Communism,” suggesting that those who disagreed with him did.

The “intellectual coherence” of the Cold War didn’t stop many liberals from opposing Ronald Reagan’s foreign-policy efforts in Europe, the Caribbean, and Central America, nor did it dampen Hollywood’s ardor in portraying Reagan as a warmonger, a dunce, or both. In the 1980s, the SANE/Freeze movement fired the minds of much of the Democratic party. And when the Cold War ended without a shot fired, the Left worked hard to give all the credit to Mikhail Gorbachev, since he seemed like a more reasonable fellow.

All of that comes to mind as I watch Barack Obama stroll across the globe apologizing for, or condemning, the sins of his predecessors and, by extension, his country.

After former Soviet pawn and current Nicaraguan president Daniel Ortega berated the United States at a recent summit, President Obama joked, in reference to the failed Bay of Pigs operation, “I’m grateful that President Ortega did not blame me for things that happened when I was three months old.”

Ah, yes, because the pressing issue is Obama’s blamelessness, not the apparently embarrassing faux pas of America’s effort to rid Cuba of a brutal Communist dictator and lackey of the Soviets, 90 miles off our coast.

In Prague, Obama declared that “the most dangerous legacy of the Cold War” is the large stockpile of nuclear weapons left behind after the war, sounding as if he might have been one of those teenagers who translated SANE/Freeze brochures into high-school term papers.

The truth is that the Cold War’s most dangerous legacy remains the bundle of radioactive lies that poisoned so many lands and deformed so many minds. The Soviets fueled national-socialist movements around the globe, telling the poor that if they embraced violent revolution and systematically purged capitalism, tradition, and religion from their societies, they would hasten their ascent to the sunny uplands of history. The reverse was true: Whole generations were either slaughtered, left to live as dehumanized industrial cogs, or forced to labor as serfs tending crops amidst the bleached bones of their fellow countrymen.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZjAxZjg2ODdjMDBmZmRlNGMxMjJjMzMxNTMyZTgzOGI=

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Jefferson

April 24th, 2009
1:44 pm

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April 24th, 2009
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SaveOurRepublic

April 24th, 2009
2:34 pm

No doubt those on the Left (as empowered by Globalist Elite such as George Soros, etc.) have long targeted (pun intended) our 2nd Amendment Rights. The Globalist Elite hope to eventually eradicate the entire Bill of Rights, but the top priorities are the 1st (via bogus, so-called “Hate Crimes” legislation, “Fairness” Doctrine, etc) and 2nd Amendments. By suppressing freedom of speech (thereby limiting what can be communicated) & a disarmed populace, the Elite can further implement their dystopian agenda!

http://www.gunowners.org

The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar

April 24th, 2009
3:07 pm

Democrap Party
April 24th, 2009
12:54 pm

Barr, I really like your blog because intelligent people on the left and right can debate without name calling.

Pretty funny, Mr. Crap.

Democrap Party

April 24th, 2009
3:43 pm

The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar, didn’t you get banned from Bookmans blog? I sort of remember you and several other bloggers getting banned.

Democrap Party

April 24th, 2009
4:00 pm

Sad day in America.

GM to pull the plug on Pontiac
The brand credited with originating the muscle car will no longer be part of GM’s future, according to a source.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — General Motors is preparing to announce that the Pontiac car brand, once marketed as GM’s “Excitement division,” will be killed off, according to a source familiar with the decision.

An official announcement is expected Monday. GM spokesman Jim Hopson declined to comment on Pontiac’s fate, saying the automaker has no announcements to make at this time.

In its most recent “viability plan” – which will be updated to reflect this new brand cut – Pontiac was not named as one of GM’s four “core brands.” Those are Chevrolet, Buick, GMC and Cadillac. But Pontiac was also not to be killed or sold off, as were Saturn, Saab and Hummer.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/04/24/autos/pontiac_obit/index.htm?postversion=2009042414

SwedeAtlanta

April 24th, 2009
4:17 pm

What is it about conservatives and their guns? I have lived for over 50 years and have never felt the need to own or fire a gun. I am all for guns for recreation and hunting and personal protection, subject to reasonable limitations.

No right, the freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, etc. is absolute. All rights are subject to reasonable limitations. I don’t know the specifics of the California case but the court seemed to find that these limitations were reasonable. I for one don’t believe that semi-automatic assault weapons were ever anticipated by the founding fathers, even given the advance in technology. These weapons are designed for one thing and one thing only, to kill people, lots of them.

The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar

April 24th, 2009
4:41 pm

Mr. Crap, I answered you on the last thread.

Carl in Chicago

April 24th, 2009
4:48 pm

Wow. It’s amazing what a platform for comments can bring out in some folks … “GodHatesTrash” being among the worst of them.

No … let’s not discuss an issue relevant to our rights and our place in society. Let’s just hurl around a bunch of vitriol.

Thankfully there are still some rational folks around, and thankfully, many of them are armed. I support our right to arms, and believe it’s indeed fundamental. But I support honor, integrity, wisdom, patience, responsibility, and compassion as well. I hope that some of us will decide to work toward those qualities in our lives.

Jud Williams

April 24th, 2009
5:32 pm

The Second Amendment clearly asserts that each state is “free” and able to maintain a militia to remain free. This is unlike many other countries, where local militias are nonexistent. This is one of the unique qualities of the United States. If a foreign power were to invade America, they would have to overrun the militia of each state and each state would in turn have to surrender before the central government is forced to capitulate to such an invading power. The American Civil War is a clear example of how this works as each state of the former Confederacy was required to pledge allegiance to the federal government prior to being readmitted to the Union. It goes without saying that for a militia to be effective, it would necessarily need to possess arms. So why would the amendment go on to say that the people have the right to bear arms? That would be merely stating an obvious redundancy, since a militia is in the business of carrying out military functions, which includes the use of arms. The key to the second part of the amendment is that the “people” have the right to bear arms. By using the word “people,” the amendment is stating that it is a right to be enjoyed by all Americans in an inclusive sense.

JUD WILLIAMS

Cumming, GA