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		<title>By: julie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/better-health/2009/02/12/should-court-ruling-end-autism-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-721</link>
		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i beleive that it the debate will not end with the judges rules because you could never know if the vaccinations was the cause of autism because there is nothing saying that it wasent the cause because thers things that subject to change what if it happens to someone else they going to say the same thing that there is no eveidence they never know</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i beleive that it the debate will not end with the judges rules because you could never know if the vaccinations was the cause of autism because there is nothing saying that it wasent the cause because thers things that subject to change what if it happens to someone else they going to say the same thing that there is no eveidence they never know</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Cottingham</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/better-health/2009/02/12/should-court-ruling-end-autism-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-519</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Cottingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 07:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: Mercury and vaccines
February 15th, 2009
11:56 am
&quot;mercury is not in vaccines anymore…. autism rates continue to go up.&quot;

Actually, independent random checks on &quot;Thimerosol-free&quot; vaccines are turning up trace amounts in some samples. The manufacturers use it in the production process and the remove it. 

But the bigger issue is that vaccines are one of many sources of mercury that newborns and young children are exposed to. And there are countless other ways an expectant mother can come in contact with it. 

And then there is the synergistic effect ( AKA potentiation) between lead and mercury. It is a key piece of the autism puzzle that is being missed.

For the full story, you can read LEAD BABIES, a new book that ties mercury to autism, without being blown off course by the vaccination debate. www.nomoreleadbabies.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: Mercury and vaccines<br />
February 15th, 2009<br />
11:56 am<br />
&#8220;mercury is not in vaccines anymore…. autism rates continue to go up.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, independent random checks on &#8220;Thimerosol-free&#8221; vaccines are turning up trace amounts in some samples. The manufacturers use it in the production process and the remove it. </p>
<p>But the bigger issue is that vaccines are one of many sources of mercury that newborns and young children are exposed to. And there are countless other ways an expectant mother can come in contact with it. </p>
<p>And then there is the synergistic effect ( AKA potentiation) between lead and mercury. It is a key piece of the autism puzzle that is being missed.</p>
<p>For the full story, you can read LEAD BABIES, a new book that ties mercury to autism, without being blown off course by the vaccination debate. <a href="http://www.nomoreleadbabies.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.nomoreleadbabies.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: RA</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/better-health/2009/02/12/should-court-ruling-end-autism-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-141</link>
		<dc:creator>RA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll get back to this study later.  Its far from definitive. But let&#039;s suppose it is &quot;hard&quot; science. It&#039;s the scientific consensus. And their conclusion is the truth, not just a scientific opinion (whatever that is).

How dangerous are vaccines? Paul Offit says they are so safe that you could inject a child with 10,000 of them (presumably with mercury because he said that should&#039;t be taken out). 

Why not make them over-the-counter. Look at all the benefits and virtually no draw backs. Tylenol has a known track record with liver failure and deaths. Aspirin deaths are much higher than Tylenol. These have never stopped a disease by the millions like vaccines. Besides, according to these experts the only side effects from vaccines are anectdotal and coincidental. VAERS reports are scientifically useless.  The only immediate danger would be a flesh wound with a small gauge syringe. Maybe you could poke an eye out. But you could do that with a pencil. Plus the benefits would outweigh the risks anyway. 

We need to be more aggressive in our fight to eradicate these killer diseases. I would hate to see a dangerous and vaccine preventable disease like chicken pox come back because of the ignorant and selfish few. If it mutates, we would have no recourse against the Avian Chickenpox. The epidemic would come back and wipe out millions. (Show black and white film of children with sores screaming and running out of school buildings.) What are the draw backs? None, if the vaccines are as safe as the pure in heart doctors are saying.  If we don&#039;t do this, we risk millions of lives around the world.

There, you convinced me. I&#039;m on your side now. Let&#039;s campaign for OTC vaccines. Let&#039;s not let doctors stand in the way of science and our children&#039;s health.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll get back to this study later.  Its far from definitive. But let&#8217;s suppose it is &#8220;hard&#8221; science. It&#8217;s the scientific consensus. And their conclusion is the truth, not just a scientific opinion (whatever that is).</p>
<p>How dangerous are vaccines? Paul Offit says they are so safe that you could inject a child with 10,000 of them (presumably with mercury because he said that should&#8217;t be taken out). </p>
<p>Why not make them over-the-counter. Look at all the benefits and virtually no draw backs. Tylenol has a known track record with liver failure and deaths. Aspirin deaths are much higher than Tylenol. These have never stopped a disease by the millions like vaccines. Besides, according to these experts the only side effects from vaccines are anectdotal and coincidental. VAERS reports are scientifically useless.  The only immediate danger would be a flesh wound with a small gauge syringe. Maybe you could poke an eye out. But you could do that with a pencil. Plus the benefits would outweigh the risks anyway. </p>
<p>We need to be more aggressive in our fight to eradicate these killer diseases. I would hate to see a dangerous and vaccine preventable disease like chicken pox come back because of the ignorant and selfish few. If it mutates, we would have no recourse against the Avian Chickenpox. The epidemic would come back and wipe out millions. (Show black and white film of children with sores screaming and running out of school buildings.) What are the draw backs? None, if the vaccines are as safe as the pure in heart doctors are saying.  If we don&#8217;t do this, we risk millions of lives around the world.</p>
<p>There, you convinced me. I&#8217;m on your side now. Let&#8217;s campaign for OTC vaccines. Let&#8217;s not let doctors stand in the way of science and our children&#8217;s health.</p>
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		<title>By: RA</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/better-health/2009/02/12/should-court-ruling-end-autism-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-140</link>
		<dc:creator>RA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks. I&#039;ll check it out. I haven&#039;t heard of any study that compared the two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. I&#8217;ll check it out. I haven&#8217;t heard of any study that compared the two.</p>
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		<title>By: Concerned</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/better-health/2009/02/12/should-court-ruling-end-autism-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-139</link>
		<dc:creator>Concerned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that study has already been done and published in the New England Journal of Medicine in 2002.  It involved &gt; 500,000 Danish children and compared vaccinated to unvaccinated.  Their conclusion was &quot;this study provides strong evidence against the hypothesis that MMR vaccination causes autism.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that study has already been done and published in the New England Journal of Medicine in 2002.  It involved &gt; 500,000 Danish children and compared vaccinated to unvaccinated.  Their conclusion was &#8220;this study provides strong evidence against the hypothesis that MMR vaccination causes autism.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: RA</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/better-health/2009/02/12/should-court-ruling-end-autism-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-138</link>
		<dc:creator>RA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 01:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The court ruled that the “crucial questions that need to be answered scientifically” has already happened. Study after study after study shows no link between autism and vaccination. These studies have been published in journals like the New England Journal of Medcine etc etc.&quot;

I&#039;m still waiting for the controlled trial that compares vaccinated against un-vaccinated complications. Until that trial is done, then how can anyone say that this has been settled scientifically? What&#039;s the problem? The Pro-vacciners say that would be an unethical experiment. 

When someone says that a debate is over because they say so is just bullying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The court ruled that the “crucial questions that need to be answered scientifically” has already happened. Study after study after study shows no link between autism and vaccination. These studies have been published in journals like the New England Journal of Medcine etc etc.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still waiting for the controlled trial that compares vaccinated against un-vaccinated complications. Until that trial is done, then how can anyone say that this has been settled scientifically? What&#8217;s the problem? The Pro-vacciners say that would be an unethical experiment. </p>
<p>When someone says that a debate is over because they say so is just bullying.</p>
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		<title>By: RA</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/better-health/2009/02/12/should-court-ruling-end-autism-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-137</link>
		<dc:creator>RA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s look at what the Merck manual says:

Measles: Before widespread  immunization, measles epidemics occurred every 2 to 3yr, with small localized outbreaks during intervening years. In recent years in the USA, outbreaks have occurred most commonly in PREVIOUSLY IMMUNIZED  adolescents and young adults and SOMETIMES in unimmunized preschool aged children. An infant whose mother has had measles receives transplacental passive immunity lasting most of the first year of life , thereafter susceptiblity is high. One attack of measles confers lifelong immunity. 

Atypical measles syndrome usually occurs in persons PREVIOUSLY immunized with the original killed virus measles vaccine…atypical syndrome may also follow immunization with live, attenuated measles vaccine…

Prognosis: In healthy, well-nourished children, measles has a low mortality rate unless complications ensue. {Where are all the deaths? Typically in third world type conditions. The question is: should I be allowed to uses this information and make an educated decision about my child’s health? Or will other parent’s tell the govn’t to force me to make a decision based on their fears. If that’s the case, then I don’t need to know any statistics because the CDC, AAP, and DFACS will decide for me.

Polio: According to the PBS special that ran last week there were 20,000 cases of polio per year in 1950. A deadly and paralyzing disease. It then showed people in iron lungs and crippled. By 1960 the cases were down to 3000. (I’m going off memory so correct me if I’m wrong). This clever statement didn’t lie, but it was deceitful. Less than 2% of polio cases were paralytic and permanent. Not 20,000. The Cutter Labs incident caused 40,000 cases of polio from the vaccine. More people die from hospital infections than this. Where’s the outrage on that?

If vaccines were 100% safe, this would be a no-brainer. Everyone should get vaccines. No harm in trying. But, when you inject people with 76 vaccines and ingredients, something bad, known or unknown, is going to happen. Parents should be a part of the decision process and they deserve to know all the facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s look at what the Merck manual says:</p>
<p>Measles: Before widespread  immunization, measles epidemics occurred every 2 to 3yr, with small localized outbreaks during intervening years. In recent years in the USA, outbreaks have occurred most commonly in PREVIOUSLY IMMUNIZED  adolescents and young adults and SOMETIMES in unimmunized preschool aged children. An infant whose mother has had measles receives transplacental passive immunity lasting most of the first year of life , thereafter susceptiblity is high. One attack of measles confers lifelong immunity. </p>
<p>Atypical measles syndrome usually occurs in persons PREVIOUSLY immunized with the original killed virus measles vaccine…atypical syndrome may also follow immunization with live, attenuated measles vaccine…</p>
<p>Prognosis: In healthy, well-nourished children, measles has a low mortality rate unless complications ensue. {Where are all the deaths? Typically in third world type conditions. The question is: should I be allowed to uses this information and make an educated decision about my child’s health? Or will other parent’s tell the govn’t to force me to make a decision based on their fears. If that’s the case, then I don’t need to know any statistics because the CDC, AAP, and DFACS will decide for me.</p>
<p>Polio: According to the PBS special that ran last week there were 20,000 cases of polio per year in 1950. A deadly and paralyzing disease. It then showed people in iron lungs and crippled. By 1960 the cases were down to 3000. (I’m going off memory so correct me if I’m wrong). This clever statement didn’t lie, but it was deceitful. Less than 2% of polio cases were paralytic and permanent. Not 20,000. The Cutter Labs incident caused 40,000 cases of polio from the vaccine. More people die from hospital infections than this. Where’s the outrage on that?</p>
<p>If vaccines were 100% safe, this would be a no-brainer. Everyone should get vaccines. No harm in trying. But, when you inject people with 76 vaccines and ingredients, something bad, known or unknown, is going to happen. Parents should be a part of the decision process and they deserve to know all the facts.</p>
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		<title>By: Mercury and vaccines</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mercury and vaccines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mercury is not in vaccines anymore.... autism rates continue to go up. 
unbiased information at http://www.immunizationinfo.org/thimerosal_mercury_issues.cfm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mercury is not in vaccines anymore&#8230;. autism rates continue to go up.<br />
unbiased information at <a href="http://www.immunizationinfo.org/thimerosal_mercury_issues.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.immunizationinfo.org/thimerosal_mercury_issues.cfm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Still Concerned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Still Concerned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The court ruled that the &quot;crucial questions that need to be answered scientifically&quot; has already happened.   Study after study after study shows no link between autism and vaccination.  These studies have been published in journals like the New England Journal of Medcine etc etc.   

Of course you don&#039;t have to believe the New England Journal or even your own doctor.  Just go ask your parents or grandparents.  My mom was in high school in the early 1950s and dreaded the first day of school every year because she knew some of her friends would have died over the summer of polio.   In the 1960s there tens of thousands of babies born with congential rubella syndrome, which includes deafness and heart defects. My mother in law told me she would bang pans together the first day home with her new baby to be sure that they did not have this problem. It has been several years since a case of this disease has been seen in the United States.  And just a month ago a seven month baby died of Hib, a vaccine preventable disease.  That seven month had not received any recommended vaccinations.  It was the first death from Hib in Minnesota since 1991, about the time vaccine was introduced.  

The point about the flat earth is certainly valid - of course everyone believed the earth was flat.  Just look at the window, you don&#039;t see the curve of the earth.   But to continue to hold that belief after the time of Columbus and John Glenn is not very realistic.  And that is the point about autism and vaccination, we need to move on.   There are a limited number of tax dollars for medical research and they need to be spent on the true cause and better treatments for the horrible disease of autism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The court ruled that the &#8220;crucial questions that need to be answered scientifically&#8221; has already happened.   Study after study after study shows no link between autism and vaccination.  These studies have been published in journals like the New England Journal of Medcine etc etc.   </p>
<p>Of course you don&#8217;t have to believe the New England Journal or even your own doctor.  Just go ask your parents or grandparents.  My mom was in high school in the early 1950s and dreaded the first day of school every year because she knew some of her friends would have died over the summer of polio.   In the 1960s there tens of thousands of babies born with congential rubella syndrome, which includes deafness and heart defects. My mother in law told me she would bang pans together the first day home with her new baby to be sure that they did not have this problem. It has been several years since a case of this disease has been seen in the United States.  And just a month ago a seven month baby died of Hib, a vaccine preventable disease.  That seven month had not received any recommended vaccinations.  It was the first death from Hib in Minnesota since 1991, about the time vaccine was introduced.  </p>
<p>The point about the flat earth is certainly valid &#8211; of course everyone believed the earth was flat.  Just look at the window, you don&#8217;t see the curve of the earth.   But to continue to hold that belief after the time of Columbus and John Glenn is not very realistic.  And that is the point about autism and vaccination, we need to move on.   There are a limited number of tax dollars for medical research and they need to be spent on the true cause and better treatments for the horrible disease of autism.</p>
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		<title>By: catlady</title>
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		<dc:creator>catlady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think there is a link between autism and vaccination.  This is not scientific; it is merely based on 36 years as a teacher and the observations I have made.  The children I see with autism, most I have been around since they were babies, were already showing signs of problems before they had injections (folks around here rarely give their kids the shots at the recommended times).  I think the causes of autism are much more varied (as the problem is varied in its manifestation) and much more complex than some folks want to think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think there is a link between autism and vaccination.  This is not scientific; it is merely based on 36 years as a teacher and the observations I have made.  The children I see with autism, most I have been around since they were babies, were already showing signs of problems before they had injections (folks around here rarely give their kids the shots at the recommended times).  I think the causes of autism are much more varied (as the problem is varied in its manifestation) and much more complex than some folks want to think.</p>
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