Cam Newton, Terrelle Pryor rulings are completely different

Nobody asked me but:

The Cameron Newton and Terrelle Pryor rulings are completely different: Since Ohio State’s Pryor has already played (and won) the Sugar Bowl and Auburn’s Newton will (probably) play in his last college football game Monday night, I’m going to make this point one last time and call it a day.

I had more than a few people from Big Ten country write and tell me that Pryor should get to play inthe Sugar Bowl because Newton got to play in the SEC championship game and beyond. It’s the same NCAA and fair is fair.

First of all, I thought Pryor played great Tuesday night. There is no question that he still has some maturity issues to work through but he is a marvelous athlete playing the quarterback position.

But, in a nutshell, here is the difference in the two rulings:

Pryor: There was a finding of FACT that he and four other Ohio State players exchanged stuff that was given to him by the school for something of value (like money and tattoos). Money did change hands. There is a clear penalty for that in the rule book: four game suspension. The NCAA tacked on another game because it happened a year ago and the players did not report it. You may think it is a stupid rule (a lot of people do) but the rule is clear. The goofy part is that the penalty starts next season, but that’s a completely different argument.

Newton: There was a finding of fact that the father, Cecil Newton, had a conversation with a former Mississippi State player (Kenny Rogers) not affiliated with the school, about the POSSIBILITY of getting paid. There was no finding that money ever changed hands. There was no finding that those kinds of discussions took place with anybody connected to Auburn.

And here is the key component. Unlike the Ohio State case, there was NOT a specific rule in the NCAA manual to deal with the Newton case. There was a lot of speculation in the conventional media and the social media that SOMETHING was going on here. But when it came time to make the decision, the only facts the NCAA had were that Cecil Newton had a conversation with Kenny Rogers and that no such conversations had taken place with anybody connected to Auburn.

Bottom line: If the NCAA could have proven that Cecil Newton had a similar conversation with somebody who had Auburn ties, the son would not be playing today. If the NCAA could have proven that Cecil Newton had taken money from somebody with Mississippi State ties, the son would not be playing Monday night. There was a helluva lot of speculation that SOMETHING took place. And I have heard from people who believe that it simply defies logic that there wasn’t more to this story.

I understand and sympathize with that point of view. But what you BELIEVE and what you can PROVE are different things. It’s a tough case.

And here’s another point. A lot of people have written that the reason Cam Newton was not punished was that he did not know what his father was up to. In retrospect the NCAA should have not included that factor because it only clouds its ruling. The fact that Cam Newton did not know was a MITIGATING factor but not a DECIDING factor in the ruling. There is a big difference.

The NCAA could not sit Cameron Newton because it did not have a specific rule to address this specific case. That’s it. I feel confident in saying that there will be such a rule in the future.

I hope that settles it but I have a feeling this case will never be settled.

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581 comments Add your comment

Dawg_Mike

January 6th, 2011
8:45 am

Never ? No, it will be settled and someone will not like it.

JB

January 6th, 2011
8:46 am

RattlerGator

January 6th, 2011
8:47 am

Very good breakdown of the obvious differentiation, Tony. I don’t expect it to satisfy the lynch mob Tony but that, too, is another story.

JB

January 6th, 2011
8:47 am

Second is good

Chris

January 6th, 2011
8:47 am

I can’t be first but if I am, then it’s a magic day. I do love the way you clarify things and write rationally while still being passionate about College football; particularly southern football.

JB

January 6th, 2011
8:47 am

I think it’s dead. I think the NCAA doesn’t want to go there. Just me

Southside Dawg

January 6th, 2011
8:48 am

Look. It’s as simple as this: Pryor got busted when he broke the rules and Newton didn’t get busted when he broke the rules. Done.

m

January 6th, 2011
8:48 am

Tony, what a pathetic defense of the Cam Newton ruliing.

Bottom line is the NCAA sucked up to the secESPN power structure.

Cam told numerous of his friends that he wanted to got to Miss St “but the money was too good at awBARN”.

Tony, if you honestly believe that Cam Newton did not know, then you are more than tool…you are a fool.

bo

January 6th, 2011
8:51 am

actually it is already settled.

TONY B ROCKS

January 6th, 2011
8:52 am

Tony, please compare the Tat 5 ruling to the suspension of Aj Green and explain why the OSU players were allowed to play this season while AJ was not.

http://thegeorgiasportsreport.blogspot.com/

crabapplejoe

January 6th, 2011
8:53 am

Did they play the Orange Bowl yet….still waiting for an article in the AJC about the game….

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January 6th, 2011
8:54 am

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Alphare

January 6th, 2011
8:55 am

Tony, good points.

When you are making a ruling, you base your decisions on facts, not speculations. Logic tells people a parent would never kill his/her own child, but it happened. Logic tells me Newton’s dad must have told his son what he is doing, but he could have killed Cam as well.

Loran, whatdayagot?

January 6th, 2011
8:57 am

. . . . . . 6 points and a cloud of bobo.

Ed

January 6th, 2011
8:57 am

In my opinion the NCAA has lost all credibility. They really need to take a step back and develop a more consistent approach to this subject. I am sure there are many more examples out there that have not surfaced.

Colonel Rebel

January 6th, 2011
8:58 am

Newton got paid and everyone in this part of the world knows it. Fact is, Auburn has a banker and a casino owner to launder their payments to players (which they have been doing since the 80’s) and when you have a “Preacher” on the other end you have an even easier way to launder the money! Auburn decided what the hell lets play this thing out and if we win they cant take the fact that we won it on the field away even if they do come and take away the Crystal ball. Hell Tuberville gave his players FAKE National Championship rings in ‘04. its the Auburn way!

Still, $200,000 for a National Championship is still a good return on investment.

The rest of us

January 6th, 2011
8:58 am

When will the stench of the 2010 college football season just go away? It started with the Miami trip that crippled UNC and continued with A.J. Green selling a bowl jersey to an agent. The whole Cam Newton situation probably will never be solved. Six Ohio State players breaking rules two years ago got suspended for the first five games of next year, of which most will never serve. Now multiple Auburn players getting their grades changed so they will be eligible for the BCS Championship game. When can we finally put this sordid season behind us?

Mtn Dawg

January 6th, 2011
8:58 am

Fine Tony. The distinction has been made for those two cases although I don’t agree it’s that simple. My question, why can’t the NCAA be consistent in handing down those penalties. If the Alabama lineman who was proven to have accepted gifts (money?) gets a 1 game slap on the hand, why does A.J. get 4 games and OSU guys get 5 games. It doesn’t make sense and it never will. The infractions committee lives in a black box and works in a smoky room so those deliberations that determine fate of student athletes are by design, secret. It’s BS plain and simple.

Common Sense

January 6th, 2011
9:01 am

The NCAA isn’t going to find any “facts” when they refuse to investigate. Were it not for the few remaining investigative journalists out there (TB obviously not included in this group), nobody would have ever even heard of Cecil Newton’s shenanigans. Who will investigate the NCAA?

Mtn Dawg

January 6th, 2011
9:01 am

And Mike Slive is on a witch hunt.

[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by ajc sports editor, Tony Barnhart. Tony Barnhart said: Cam Newton, Terrelle Pryor NCAA rulings are completely different. http://tinyurl.com/2ad8pkh [...]

THEGAME

January 6th, 2011
9:03 am

m Where did Cam say that? His father starting making more and more of these decisions once Cam continually screwed up. (Laptop, Driving, School) Cecil made the decision to go to Blinn JUCO. Did Blinn pay him? Auburn has the toughest compliance department in the SEC. The biggest fact in this case is that if Auburn was not winning and beating UGA and others as bad as they did, the fans of these schools would not be spending their time dreaming up conspiracy theories.

The NCAA has already said they are happy with the findings and are satisfied. Anyone who thinks the wording of teh release leaves the investigation open, needs to realize it is the same wording used in the AJ Green release also. So if this is the case, the AJ Green case is still opne.

MR

January 6th, 2011
9:03 am

“Agent may refer to one who acts for, or in the place of, another, by authority from him; one intrusted with the business of another.”

Why is Cam’s dad not considered an agent at this point ?
Wouldn’t having an agent be against the rules of his eligibility?
Didn’t Cam already admit his Dad made the decision for him ?

So in essence we can Say Cam said. “I have an agent and he made my college decision for me.”

And that agent in turn said “Yes, I have solicited money for my client.”

What's a d a w g?

January 6th, 2011
9:04 am

If you think you are a victim of Cam’s football prowess and there are plenty of you out there, your point of view on this subject is clear. You hate Cam and you hate Auburn and you want only what’s worse for them. If you’re an adult and you take an adult view of this whole mess, you don’t feel that way. You’re interested in the truth, but you have no desire for hateful retribution. How sad that there are so many out there just hoping against hope for some pain and suffering to visit Cam and Auburn. I personally feel pretty confident that those of you who feel that way will be disappointed yet again. I think Cam and the Auburn family deserve to be where they are, in Glendale, getting ready to win a National Championship. War Damn Eagle!

Taint

January 6th, 2011
9:04 am

Taint no NC for 2010 — just a bunch of asterisks.

MAJORPAYNE

January 6th, 2011
9:05 am

Losers always complain that winners cheat.

DC

January 6th, 2011
9:05 am

WOAH eagle baby!

Chomp!

January 6th, 2011
9:06 am

The goofy part is that the penalty starts next season

Not “goofy”, just hypocritical. The NCAA wants to slap a penalty on a student for taking a little money but also protect the bowls that are taking in a LOT of money by using those same students as free entertainment for high-dollar crowds.

wesleywhatwhat

January 6th, 2011
9:06 am

what a joke.

i don’t mean the ncaa. i mean this article and all of tony barhart’s SEC *ss kissing.

Taint

January 6th, 2011
9:07 am

Winners don’t cheat — cheaters do.

Sam Floret

January 6th, 2011
9:08 am

Common Sense: The “journalists” you speak of did not uncover anything other than the NCAA was already looking into the allegations. The NCAA was involved before any story broke. You can go back to hating now.

Mtn Dawg

January 6th, 2011
9:09 am

@MR – Good point. That makes perfect sense. So, the NCAA has these hard and fast rules but a tremendous amount of leeway as to how to enforce/interpret the rules. Sure. Cecil is acting as Cam’s agent but that was not even considered? What kind of precedent does that set? WTF?

RCB

January 6th, 2011
9:09 am

Let’s just deal with the FACTS then. The NCAA did say the son did not know what the father did. Your comments about whether that was “mitigating” or “decisive” are opinion and not fact. It is also a FACT that the son said he did not know what his father did. And it is also a FACT that the son said he never talked to his father about what the father did up until just days before the Heisman announcement. It is also a FACT that the son said his father did nothing wrong and was only trying to do what was best for the son. This is the moral code that you now have repeatedly rationalized, excused, endorsed , and now adopted. You (and the rest of the commentators who make a living off of these sons) have made your beds. Its is time you accept the consequences.

Aubie's Time

January 6th, 2011
9:09 am

Honestly one of the best, well-written posts I’ve read from Tony on here. Not just as an Auburn homer but he makes several great points here. You can only go by what you KNOW!

1)Bottom line: If the NCAA could have proven that Cecil Newton had a similar conversation with somebody who had Auburn ties, the son would not be playing today. If the NCAA could have proven that Cecil Newton had taken money from somebody with Mississippi State ties, the son would not be playing Monday night. There was a helluva lot of speculation that SOMETHING took place. And I have heard from people who believe that it simply defies logic that there wasn’t more to this story.

I understand and sympathize with that point of view. But what you BELIEVE and what you can PROVE are different things. It’s a tough case.

2) Unlike the Ohio State case, there was NOT a specific rule in the NCAA manual to deal with the Newton case. There was a lot of speculation in the conventional media and the social media that SOMETHING was going on here. But when it came time to make the decision, the only facts the NCAA had were that Cecil Newton had a conversation with Kenny Rogers and that no such conversations had taken place with anybody connected to Auburn.

Bishop Cecil

January 6th, 2011
9:09 am

Thanks Tony.

I knew I could count on you. Enjoy your steak dinner.

DC

January 6th, 2011
9:10 am

Colonel Rebel – you are dumb. That’s all I got. That’s all I need. That’s all I want to say to you. Hope it helps you in the future.

dawgfacedboy

January 6th, 2011
9:10 am

Still doesn’t explain why Pryor and the others were allowed to play in the BCS game. AJ was suspended for the same thing.

Actually I know why they weren’t suspended: They aren’t going to sabotage the Sugar Bowl by suspending all of OSU’s best players. The BCS would lose ratings and money. ONly way to keep the hype up is to let the players play. That being said; they should be 5-0 when the starters come back, their first 5 games are a joke.

How can they play a schedule like that and get a tug job by the national media every year?!?!?! It’s amazing!!

Dawg Man

January 6th, 2011
9:13 am

Tony- I feel like this story is far from over. Eventually, down the road Cam and Cecil will cost Auburn the national and sec championship and also bowl probation and a number of scholarships. The truth I think will come out but it will take quite a while for the smoke to clear.

JWalker

January 6th, 2011
9:15 am

What is the difference between a FACT and a FINDING OF FACT?

Also, I thought there was a specific rule that addresses the Newton case that says you can’t solicit on behalf of a student athlete and that if you do he is ineligible? Or did the media make that rule up?

Mtn Dawg

January 6th, 2011
9:15 am

This isn’t about ‘hating’ a particular athlete or university. This is about unaccountability at the NCAA. It just floors me at the power they have. Coaches and athletes alike and universities cower at the mere suggestion that they might be on the NCAA radar screen. This is more like the McCarthy era than anything. ‘O.k. boys and girls, lets go find some violations and make up some rules and penalties to fit the crime’.

pay for play attempt

January 6th, 2011
9:15 am

Cecil Newton is going to be “Loud and Proud”
while attending the BCS Championship game..

Schad Is A Scab

January 6th, 2011
9:16 am

Even if his Dad is considered an agent it doesn’t matter. You have to prove KNOWING involvement from Cam Newton himself, then you have to prove that money actually changed hands. Of course right now, you can’t even prove this had anything to do with the school Newton signed with in the first place.

NCAA

January 6th, 2011
9:17 am

We’ll investigate after the Bowl Season ends. We have a whole cabinet full of asterisks — just ask Reggie Bush.

Kevin

January 6th, 2011
9:18 am

If there was no proof of wrongdoing by the Newtons, then WHY DID AU SUSPEND CAM, even for one day? That makes no sense.

Miles

January 6th, 2011
9:19 am

Mr Barnhart…GREAT EXPLANATION!

Any thoughts on Manny Diaz bolting to Texas?

Good grief

January 6th, 2011
9:20 am

The OSU boys should have sat out the Sugar Bowl, no doubt about it. Even the most diehard of Suckeye fans realizes this. But the Little 11 has always been, and will always be, the prettiest girl in the room in the eyes of the NCAA, so naturally they can get away with murder. Also tack on the shameless Sugar Bowl executives that did everything possible to make sure the NCAA and OSU coaches wouldn’t take the most fair and appropriate action. Most would agree that the Suckeyes are still winnless against the SEC in bowl games since this “win” has a one big a$$ asterisk beside it.

Paul in RDU

January 6th, 2011
9:21 am

I agree with Tony that there are major differences between the OSU and Cam Newton situation and that according to the letter of the NCAA laws (and Mike Slive’s interpretation of SEC by-law 14.01.3.2) Newton is eligible to play. The OSU players should have been ineligible for the bowl. However, if Tony thinks that the NCAA didn’t play favorites in both of these cases I have some land in Florida to sell him.
Cam Newton was declared eligible within 24 hours of being declared ineligible – and by one of those magical coincidences, this occurred less than a week before the SEC CG. It took the NCAA weeks to make a ruling on AJ Green and in the UNC case it took weeks to make rulings on players, some of whom were cleared without any NCAA penalty. They still had to sit out games though. The NCAA waited so long to rule on Ryan Houston, the starting RB going into 2010, that he missed what should have been his entire senior year.
The creative enforcement by the NCAA to have the OSU 5 eligible for the Sugar Bowl was driven by $ as was the rapid resolution of the Cam Newton case immediately before the SEC CG.

NCAA

January 6th, 2011
9:21 am

@Kevin

Isn’t having the DUCKS in the BCSCG embarrassing enough? Did you really want TCU in the game as well?

NOBODY would watch that snooze-fest. Do you know how much it costs to lose that much market share?

Good grief

January 6th, 2011
9:22 am

The $cam Newton case will go exactly the way the Reggie Bush ordeal did. Years down the road after he’s already made his millions the NCAA will come out and say “whoopsie!! actually, something just crossed our desk and Auburn really did pay for Newton’s services. Our bad!!!”

DawginLex

January 6th, 2011
9:23 am

the bottom line is this:

Pryor and his 4 buddies should not have been allowed to play in the Sugar Bowl. Period. end of discussion.

Cameron Newton should not have been allowed to play college football this past year. What his father did was basically attempt to prostitute his son to play intercollegiate athletics. Whether or not money changed hands is irrelevant.

Substitute “Cam Newton” with “John Wall” and substitute “Gene Chizik” with “John Calipari”.

Do we have a different result?
Would John Wall have played?
Would John Calipari still be coaching?

The NCAA is a freaking joke.

No one with an ounce of credibility in their bones can defend their actions and decisions.

m

January 6th, 2011
9:23 am

By the way, the mighty sec is 3-4 in the bowl games. The sec has been exposed. All hype conference.

What's a d a w g?

January 6th, 2011
9:23 am

dawg man, you’re exactly who I’m talking about. Pathetic!

LCDawg

January 6th, 2011
9:23 am

Forget Cam & Pryor. How about comparing Pryor to AJ? It’s eal simple folks and well documented, money. The head of the Sugar Bowl appealed (heavily) to the NCAA to hold off on the suspensions since it would have hurt ticket sales and TV ratings. Truly disgusting. A banner year for the NCAA

Good grief

January 6th, 2011
9:23 am

I was opposed to $cam playing in the title game at first, but after seeing the disgraceful NCAA make the most hypocritical decision possible with the Suckeye players I’m now all in favor of $cam playing in the title game.

joe

January 6th, 2011
9:24 am

Aubie fans will defend Newton until the day he dies. If Newton, or any other Auburn player, showed up on campus with 200k stuffed in his pockets, everyone would look the other way.
So would any other teams fans. Richt nees a better bagman for sure.
I am waiting, but it never will happen to find out the results of the money laundering going on through Victory Land and the other casinos. All teams in the SEC should not want that to happen, especially the Alabama teams.
AU fans jump up and down now in hysterics and accuse me of hyprocrisy, no facts, and any other things you can think of.
Oh the NCAA is a big time joke.

Come on Now

January 6th, 2011
9:24 am

Defend the NCAA? How can you do that and keep a straight face. The whole situation, especially in Newton’s case, is a joke. The NCAA seems to decide if you are “guilty until proven innocent” or “innocent until proven guilty” based on a whim or if you have a BCS bowl scheduled.

Lessons to be learned

1) While college players always sit down with their parents first when deciding to turn pro, they do not when deciding college choices.

2) If you are going to violate rules wait until important games are done and bowl schedule announced.

3) If you are going to violate rules make sure your status impacts television ratings.

4) If you want to sell jerseys, rings, or your services have your father do it for you. Very helpful if your father is a minister and any funds can be laundered through church. Boosters appreciate it as they get a tax deduction as well as the services they need.

NCAA

January 6th, 2011
9:24 am

If you never paid your pusher, then you didn’t actually buy the drugs.

Why is that so hard to understand?

Schad Is A Scab

January 6th, 2011
9:26 am

To all the know-it-alls on here why do you think this story died out so suddenly. Never once did Auburn come up in any of the allegations. Most unusual timing considering all this information was known last January? The story was broke specifically to create controversy for the BCS and the Heisman Trophy race. Classic media tactic, drag up a past story to throw some mud, then see what sticks. Miss. St boosters are the ones who should be in trouble. Instead everyone points the finger at Auburn without a shred of evidence implicating them whatsoever. Sad……

Good grief

January 6th, 2011
9:27 am

m -

3 of the 4 SEC loses were by 5 points or less and decided in the waning minutes of the game. Two of which were practically stolen due to miracle plays and questionable officiating. The only definitive loss was SC to FSU and that was only by 9. I’m positive which ever conference you pull for has suffered legitimate a$$ whoopings.

Paul N Destin

January 6th, 2011
9:27 am

Auburn will do anything and everything to win and have for years. Read the New York Times article today regarding Auburn and their football teams education issues. Plus the gambling probe has expanded for the Tigers. This is going to be huge when it’s all complete.The barners deserve it and they will get it!

Regarding m

January 6th, 2011
9:29 am

Good grief,

m doesn’t pull for any team. He only “pulls” himself.

DawginLex

January 6th, 2011
9:30 am

m is and always has been a loudmouthed obnoxious ACC homer and Techie

That beatdown that VT got should make anyone with any semblance of a brain keep their trap shut about A SHE SHE football.

WawWeagle

January 6th, 2011
9:31 am

Paul N Destin,

You mean this article? http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/06/sports/ncaafootball/06auburn.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

That’s old news man — get over it!

Bill Stanfill

January 6th, 2011
9:33 am

Auburn’s football program under head coach Gene Chizik has dropped to 85th in the NCAA’s annual measure of college athletic teams’ Academic Progress Rate.

When asked to comment, Chizik said, “We’re doing a great job, so we’re not concerned about that.”

Is anybody surprised that he’s “not concerned” about something as trivial as the academic progress of Auburn’s athletes?

WawWeagle

January 6th, 2011
9:34 am

At least our white kids still graduate. We were doing a pretty good job with the colored guys until that Gundlach SOB blew the whistle on us.

WawWeagle

January 6th, 2011
9:36 am

We’re giving Cam an honorary degree if he beats the Ducks. That should help our ratings.

m

January 6th, 2011
9:37 am

The sec is 0-2 with the ACC in the bowl games. The sec is the all hype conference.

ga gator

January 6th, 2011
9:37 am

Bill Stanfill what would you expect; Chizek learned under Charlie Pell.

sampson

January 6th, 2011
9:38 am

Good grief

January 6th, 2011
9:38 am

Any ACC fan that attempts to talk trash about UGA and the SEC are either delusional or the most ignorant college football fan around.

Good grief

January 6th, 2011
9:39 am

BCS wins by the entire ACC = 2

BCS by just UGA = 2

Enough said…..

charliecole

January 6th, 2011
9:39 am

Jan Kemp

January 6th, 2011
9:39 am

Bill Stanfill,

What was that about glass houses and stones? UGA was graduating illiterates under Jan Kemp and 30 yrs later Jim harrick Jr and his how many pts for a 3 pt shot.

Jan Kemp

January 6th, 2011
9:40 am

Just more jealous loser dawg fans. Looooooooosers!

Hey dawg fans – How many pts for a 3 pt shot???

Lambert

January 6th, 2011
9:41 am

WawWeagle,

Careful. I was banned on Schultz’s blog for simply saying the word “race.” I doubt if TB is a Communist, liberal, hypocritical PC buffoon like the Schultz Nazi, but be careful.

WAR SCAM EAGLE

January 6th, 2011
9:42 am

One thing we can prove Tony and that is you are an idiot. You have written enough columns to prove that. What a joke.

Frank Mannarino

January 6th, 2011
9:43 am

TOM…wrong is wrong….don’t cloud the issue with NCAA mumbo-jumbo….both Pryor and Newton were wrong…..”Gee – Son want to go to MS State” you cannot tell me Cam did not know what his Dad was doing in the background. Not buying it,

Lambert

January 6th, 2011
9:43 am

Hey Jan Kemp, you should read the piece done by a New York paper that interviewed Kenny Anderson last year about graduating from some podunk technical college up there. He said he wasn’t used to being forced to doing his own work in college and wanted to quit numerous times but his baby mama made sure he kept with it.

Tell me, where did he spend two years at playing basketball in college again? I can’t seem to remember….

Macon

January 6th, 2011
9:44 am

This should add an intresting touch to Barnhart’s defense
of Scam Newton.

Here’s a story from the November 23, 2010 issue of the New York Times about Cecil Newton’s “church” that Barnhart DEFINITELY does not want you to read:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/24/sports/ncaafootball/24newton.html

Here’s the KEY sentence from that article:

“Blandburg said the congregation was relieved to have the repairs completed, but would not say how they were able to pay for them.”

So, who is Blandburg?

That’s Ms. Bobbie Blandburg, the Church’s Chief Financial Officer.

Soooooooooooooo, the Church’s very own CFO…has NO IDEA…
HOW…the church paid for its needed repairs?? Really??

Only 3 possibilities exist here:

1. Blandburg is the most ignorant/incompetent CFO on the planet.
2. Blandburg DOES KNOW how it was paid for, but want reveal that.
3. Blandburg was intentially kept in the dark as to HOW the repairs were paid for.

It can ONLY be one of these 3 scenarios.

So, why doesnt someone from the AJC go
ask THE CONTRACTORS that actually did the repair work?

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !!!!

How were the contractors paid by: Cash, Check, Credit Card?

Folks, there is a money trail here.

As one astute sports reporter recently suggested:

ONLY AFTER…the BCS money has changed hands and Auburn and the SEC have been paid, and Scam Newton has left Auburn in the dust…
will there be “shocking news” that will reveal what everyone on this planet…but Barnhart…knows, and that is that MONEY CHANGED HANDS, and that money trail will likely connect Auburn, or someone directly linked to Auburn to Cecil and Scam Newton, anf that it was a BLANTANT PAY FOR PLAY set-up from the very beginning.

And, in the end, after ALL is revealed, Barnhart’s credibility
will end up where it belongs: the toilet.

Shug

January 6th, 2011
9:45 am

I have a strange feeling that if Pryor played in the SEC Mr. College Football would be defending him, and if Newton weren’t a Southerner Mr. CFB would be leading the lynch party.

m

January 6th, 2011
9:48 am

The sec talks the talk…but they cannot walk the walk. 3-4 in the bowl games overall, 0-2 just with the ACC. The sec is the all hype conference.

DawginLex

January 6th, 2011
9:52 am

m,

Past SEC champions and ending ranking:

2002 UGA #2
2003 LSU #1
2004 Auburn #2
2005 UGA #6
2006 florida #1
2007 LSU #1
2008 Florida #1
2009 alabama #1
2010 Auburn playing for national title

ACC list? Care to provide?

You are a joke.

Lambert

January 6th, 2011
9:52 am

M, you have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting. You are hereby deemed irrelevant. Good day.

JASon

January 6th, 2011
9:53 am

“The Cameron Newton and Terrelle Pryor rulings are completely different”

Wow. Congratulations on that epiphany. The accompanying explanation was must-read material.

Tomsjeep88

January 6th, 2011
9:54 am

“But when it came time to make the decision…”

The NCAA dropped the ball on this one. The “decision” came down 2-3 days before the SEC championship game. What’s the NCAA and/or the SEC to do? Declare Newton & AU ineligible? They couldn’t just call Arkansas and tell them to be in Atlanta in 48 hours. The decision makers in this case must all be praying that Oregon wins the game, Newton turns pro, and this story will fade away.

dawgfan#2

January 6th, 2011
9:55 am

All I can say is AU is a disgrace to the SEC! And NO,I will not get over it.Your School is pathetic!

Mike

January 6th, 2011
9:58 am

The Cam Newton situation is a disgrace and the NCAA should be ashamed of letting him play! Fans should boycott all sponsors, networks, and NOT watch the the criminal (BCS game)!!

Buckeye

January 6th, 2011
9:59 am

How many kids sell stuff and don’t get caught. More than a few I would guess.

Think of all the stupid stuff you did at 19 or 20. Most would have to admit it’s a wonder we’re a) alive or b) not is jail.

For all of you that have never run a stop sign or gone 10 over the speed limit, congratulations. Oh ya, that’s illegal.

Pryor ( and AJ for that matter) did not commit a crime.

Blame the adults, not the kids.

vannie

January 6th, 2011
10:00 am

boog

January 6th, 2011
10:00 am

Barnhart…your conclusions have become so predictable.

Buckeye

January 6th, 2011
10:00 am

I think a lost of you UGA posters have Napolean’s complex and are always coming up short.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
10:01 am

Morning all. Yes, the difference between Cam and Pryor is obvious. The NCAA has never handed down sanctions in a situation where no benefits were actually received. The current information suggests that Cecil failed in his moneymaking endeavor. So it goes. On a better note, great choice Xzavier!

Schad Is A Scab

January 6th, 2011
10:02 am

Macon now that your ignorant rant is finished READ THIS passage that you “convieniently left out right before you cherry-picked your quote!!!A few weeks later,

Cecil Newton’s eldest son, Cecil Jr., wrote the city a letter promising to pay $5,000 to $7,000 a month until the repairs were completed. Cecil Newton Jr., 24, was with the Jacksonville Jaguars last season, most of it on the practice squad, until he became injured and was waived in September.

Schad Is A Scab

January 6th, 2011
10:03 am

A few weeks later, Cecil Newton’s eldest son, Cecil Jr., wrote the city a letter promising to pay $5,000 to $7,000 a month until the repairs were completed. Cecil Newton Jr., 24, was with the Jacksonville Jaguars last season, most of it on the practice squad, until he became injured and was waived in September.

m

January 6th, 2011
10:04 am

tony, write us a column and explain why the all hype conference, the sec, likes to talk the talk but can’t walk the walk in the bowl games. Why did the sec get so exposed in the bowl games? Is it because they just can’t match this redneck hype on here? sec 3-4 in the bowl games….all hype.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
10:04 am

Practice squad players don’t clear $5k per month.

Dawg_Central

January 6th, 2011
10:05 am

A solicitation for money, even though none changed hands is a violation, and it was Cam Newton’s father doing this !!! Not a coach or a double first cousin, so yea, NCAA is a fraud…..I say let them all play…it’s a joke anyhow….any idiot that thinks Cam Newton is clean, is just that !! I think Pryor and those guys are cleaner than Cam, at least the stuff they sold was THERE property, no one elses…..Cam = Cecil Newton……Auburn can claim ignorance, but really they clain “not giving a crap”…except for winning !! NCAA….Bosworth said it best !!

DawginLex

January 6th, 2011
10:05 am

buckeye,

I live in Lexington KY and no one can tell me with a straight face that if you substitute “Cam Newton” with “John Wall” and substitute “Gene Chizik” with “John Calipari” that we don’t have a different outcome.

Rulings like this need to be handled consistently and the same for all schools. The NCAA hand picks based on the school, the coach, the timing and the dollars involved.

It is a joke.

travy

January 6th, 2011
10:06 am

ludicrous. this is like comparing discussing murder for hire and getting a parking ticket. the ncaa is going down. too much corruption flowing through the system. someone’s gonna bust it open.

Schad Is A Scab

January 6th, 2011
10:06 am

Just goes to show Macon didn’t even read the article. Just cherry-pick a quote, completely ignoring the paragraph before. So utterly clueless…..

Mtn Dawg

January 6th, 2011
10:06 am

The NCAA IS a joke, but all powerful at the same time. The untouchables. There are no checks and balances built in to the NCAA power structure. And they have no credibility. Garbage in garbage out.

dap01

January 6th, 2011
10:07 am

Cam Newton is sleezy and is getting rewarded for it. Why is the media turning a blind eye to that fact?

Why can an article question:

1. How Cam was not kicked out of Florida?
2. How Cam (with his academic and arrest records) was admitted to Auburn?
3. How can Auburn be so quiet about the whole situation.?

DawginLex

January 6th, 2011
10:08 am

Tony,

Can you write an article discussing how the NCAA should consider removing the A SHE SHE from the conferences that receive an automatic BCS berth? Maybe the Mountain West should take the spot considering the A SHE SHE has won only 1 BCS bowl game and has routinely been embarrassed on the national stage.

Tell the truth

January 6th, 2011
10:08 am

Gee Mr SEC- my understanding is that there is a rule in the SEC that specifically covers what happened with Cam Newton’s father that Mr Slive conveniently skirted and ignored. It appears to me and others that both you and Slive are nothing but shills for the SEC and the NCAA. Of course all of these distasteful carryings on will be appropriately handled before next year’s season. And of course the games must go on- can’t afford to keep the patrons waiting. In the meantime please do keep beating the drums about how the SEC is the best thing since sliced bread- I think their record thus far this year in the bowl games is 3-4. Am I correct? Shills to the left of me, pimps to the right, here I am, stuck in the middle of this crapola.

anotherdawg

January 6th, 2011
10:09 am

Why wasn’t A J Green allowed to postpone his suspension til next year? Oh, I think I get it.

(a) Deny knowledge of infraction – no penalty

(b) Lie about infraction – postponed penalty

(c) Admit infraction – Full penalty

Schad Is A Scab

January 6th, 2011
10:09 am

Dawg_Central
January 6th, 2011
10:05 am

A solicitation for money, even though none changed hands is a violation, and it was Cam Newton’s father doing this

Nope wrong again. It would have to have occurred at the School he attended, Auburn, and they would also have to prove Cam’s KNOWING INVOLVEMENT! The by-laws are not clear on this, you don’t know what you are talking about…..try again.

DawginLex

January 6th, 2011
10:10 am

Tony,

Can you write an article about removing the A SHE SHE from the BCS since they routinely get drummed in their BCS game?

Schad Is A Scab

January 6th, 2011
10:10 am

4 pages of hate from jealous Dawg fans so far and counting……..

Paul in RDU

January 6th, 2011
10:12 am

anotherdawg
January 6th, 2011
10:09 am

You missed the best way to avoid getting penalized for an infraction -
Claim that you had not been adequately educated on the rules of what was an infraction (the OSU defense)

DawginLex

January 6th, 2011
10:12 am

Tony,

There really needs to be an investigation about the A SHE SHE masquerading as a BCS conference.

Can you recommend that something be done?

Jealous Dawg "Fan"

January 6th, 2011
10:12 am

“Cam Would Have Made A Good Tight End”

Macon

January 6th, 2011
10:12 am

Poor dumb Schad.

Lets review what Schad added here:

Fromt eh articel:

“Cecil Newton’s eldest son, Cecil Jr., wrote the city a letter
promising to pay $5,000 to $7,000 a month until the repairs were completed.”

“…Promising to pay…”

And yet, in fact, the church did not receive…ANY…money AT ALL
from Cecil Newton, Jr.

If Blandburg had ACTUALLY received money from Cecil Newton, Jr.,
then wouldnt Blandburg KNOW THAT ??

FACT: Cecil Newton, Jr. did not pay ANY money to the church.

And that FACT leads us back to the question NO ONE wants to answer,
at least not BEFORE Auburn and the SEC get paid…

WHERE DID THE MONEY FOR THE REPAIRS COME FROM ??

We will all find out in good time.

PMC

January 6th, 2011
10:16 am

Isn’t the ruling of the 5 here essentially the same ruling that AJ Green and others received this season?

I just want to know who they are firing in thier compliance department who didn’t “properly educate” the 5.

They knew EXACTLY what they were doing. They knew it was against the rules and they didn’t care. Why? Because the rule itself is stupid. Just like the rule that they can claim “they didn’t know” and get to suspend thier suspensions.

Preventing people from making money off of thier own attributes and likenesses because another group who makes vast sums of money off of those same things wants to call them “amateurs” when they are really indentured servants creates this very problem.

They didn’t find anything that Cam himself did, and they didn’t find that any money changed hands so he was eligible.

I don’t see what Cam Newton and Terrelle Pryor’s cases have in common.

The Ohio State case is EXACTLY the same as the AJ Green case, it just so happens that the OSU case occured before and expensive bowl game and the AJ Green case happened before the season.

The only real thing that happened here is that OSU finally became what they professed to hate for so long.

They are just as dirty as anyone else.

Tell the truth

January 6th, 2011
10:16 am

Schad Is A Scab Wrong!!! You flunk. The SEC rules state that because of his dather’s actions, Newton would have been ineligible to play at ANY SEC school.

Dawg_Central

January 6th, 2011
10:16 am

I didn’t say Auburn would have been guilty of anything, except ignorance…which is laughable, I stated Cam should be ineligible….and oh yea….he was for 1 day sanctioned ineligible….LOL….what a freaking joke!!

Schad The Scab

January 6th, 2011
10:16 am

Macon did you even read the correction they added on Dec 3. 2010? You are so clueless….

Correction: December 3, 2010

An article on Nov. 24 about the controversy surrounding the recruitment of Auburn quarterback Cam Newton and N.C.A.A. investigators’ interest in one of his father’s churches referred incorrectly to $50,000 in repairs to the church, which the city of Newnan, Ga., closed in 2008. That was the cost for all projects, including some that had not been completed before the church closed; that amount was not the cost for just repairs that had been completed.

Tell the truth

January 6th, 2011
10:18 am

DawginLex SEC 3-4 thus far in bowl games. Yep you have so much to say these days. Pity.

Schad The Scab

January 6th, 2011
10:19 am

Nope Tell The Truth there is a loop-hole there. Once again you have no idea what the rule actually says

SEC spokesman Charles Bloom said the league’s rule isn’t applicable unless payment is actually made or agreed upon, not just solicited.

“The facts in this case, as we understand them, are that the student-athlete’s father, without knowledge of the student-athlete, solicited improper payments [which were rejected] from an institution the young man did not attend, and that the institution where the young man is enrolled was not involved,” Bloom told the AP in an e-mail.

DawginLex

January 6th, 2011
10:20 am

Tell the truth,
There really needs to be an investigation about the A SHE SHE masquerading as a BCS conference.

Schad The Scab

January 6th, 2011
10:21 am

Macon any more misinformation you wanna spread or have you crawled back under your rock?

404

January 6th, 2011
10:21 am

has there been anything more embarassing to the sec
than uga in 2010.

–fulmer cup (12 players arrested in 2010 alone)
–aj green-back
–damon evans
–mark richt’s espn interview
(no, we dont have a discipline issue here at georgia)

only cam newton and auburn have overshadowed what a big pile of
dawg squeeze uga has been in 2010

Dawg_Central

January 6th, 2011
10:21 am

I have “NEVER” in 44 years pulled against an SEC team in the national title game……but I will be a Duck fan on Jan 10th…..and I bet a huge portion of the other SEC fans, excluding AU aka”ThugLife U”, will also be pulling for the Ducks…..I do believe Auburn will win the game, but they have lost a “TON” of respect throughout the SEC and country for this disgrace….enjoy Tigers….pukeee!!! oh yea, why can’t Auburn ever win without being suspect for cheating..hmmmmmmm…can anyone call Bowden and ask him….LOL..LOL

Tell the truth

January 6th, 2011
10:23 am

It is very encouraging to me that the NCAA has issued to releases shortly after theses fiascos- DEFENDING their decisions. That means that the sports nation is watching and is more than a little tired of the same old crap that is passed down as fair and equitable treatment for ALL of the schools in the NCAA. Maybe one day this whole house of cards will come falling down. No more big bucks then. eh pal?

Buckeye

January 6th, 2011
10:24 am

Good Grief,

Curious, does “Suckeye” and “Dawg” come from the same Southern dictionary?

DawginLex,

Agree. I am sure this is so much crapola underneath the covers at all the top programs – we have no idea. I enjoyed wathcing Wall and Co. last year – quite a talent on the court. Calapari on the other hand……I read an article where he was plugging his book in a Delta Sky magazine last year and every other word was “I”.

Dawg_Central

January 6th, 2011
10:24 am

Charles Bloom is a money hungry puppet……..he wouldn’t have suspended “satan” if he were playing at Auburn this year….wow !!! Bad source…LOL

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
10:25 am

I don’t know why folks argue with the Newton lovers. Look, the NCAA made the right ruling based on the facts at hand. That doesn’t mean the rest of us have to buy that Cam didn’t know what was happening. Of course he did for chrissakes. When he was caught with a stolen laptop, he “didn’t know” it was stolen. When they first started investigating the PFP, Cecil “didn’t know,” it was all Kenny. Then when the heat got turned up Cecil admitted the PFP byt swore that Cam “didn’t know.” These people are dirtbags, meaning they fit in with Fairley, he of the altered transcripts, and the rest of the Lee County goons. What’s new?

Stevie Wonder

January 6th, 2011
10:27 am

We all can see that the Newtons tried to make money change hands, just couldn’t pull it off. If I go to rob a bank and run out with no money, am I innocent?

Of course Scam didn’t know what his father was up to, Scam was just riding in the car with him.

DC

January 6th, 2011
10:27 am

Bama on probation.

DawginLex

January 6th, 2011
10:28 am

buckeye,

you know, I didn’t know what to think about UK hiring Cal when he came. But I can tell you, he is good at motivating kids. He genuinely cares about the players and he makes them better people. Demarcus Cousins last year came in as the big fat dumb kid and left a lot better person even though he still needs to grow up.

This current UK team is so much fun to watch because they are not expected to do all that great. The big center Harrelson is a great kid who has worked extra hard to lose weight and make himself fit to play.

the other thing about UK is Sandy Bell their compliance director is very good at her job and the AD has tons of integrity. Hopefully, they can keep Cal under control

Dirtbags??

January 6th, 2011
10:28 am

THIRD FORMER PLAYER ARREST IN TWO DAYS

Coffee is the third former Alabama player to be arrested in two days.

Former Alabama football star DJ Hall and walk-on Darwin Salaam were arrested Wednesday on drug charges in Tuscaloosa.

The two were arrested at a hotel after police responded to complaints that guests were smoking marijuana in a room. Each was charged with possession of marijuana and another controlled substance, and were released on bonds of $30,000 each.

Hall was a star receiver for the Crimson Tide from 2004 through 2007. He holds several school records and is the only Alabama receiver ever to have two 1,000-yard seasons.

Salaam was a walk-on receiver who played at Stillman College before transferring to Alabama.

Dirtbags??

January 6th, 2011
10:29 am

Police Chief Steven Anderson said Friday officers were unaware until later that a man picked up on marijuana charges was DJ Hall, who leads all Crimson Tide receivers in career yardage with 2,923 yards. He played from 2004-07. A former walk-on player, Darwin Salaam, was also arrested.

Both men are free on bonds of $30,000, and court records don’t show whether either has an attorney.

Anderson said managers at an extended-stay hotel called police Wednesday to complain about a marijuana smell. The chief said officers found the ex-players in a room with three ounces of marijuana, prescription medication and a 9 mm pistol.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
10:30 am

Awe, little brother is getting all paranoid again. Poor little fella.

Dirtbags??

January 6th, 2011
10:31 am

Alabama player, girlfriend arrested in Tuscaloosa
PUBLISHED Thursday, Aug 20, 2009 at 7:33 pm EDT
Associated Press SN Icon Sporting News


TUSCALOOSA, Ala. (AP) ? Alabama linebacker Courtney�Upshaw and a female student identified as his girlfriend were free on bond Thursday after being arrested on a misdemeanor charge of domestic violence and third-degree harassment.

University police charged Upshaw and Kendall Lynn Gryzb, both 19, after an altercation at about 9:30 p.m. Wednesday in the parking lot of the campus recreation center, according to documents filed at Tuscaloosa County district court.

Upshaw practiced Thursday afternoon. The 6-foot-2, 249-pound sophomore is battling with Eryk Anders for a starting job at jack linebacker, a hybrid end/outside linebacker position, after playing in the final 13 games last season and recording 22 tackles.

Arresting officer Rusty Romine said he spotted Upshaw following Gryzb in the parking lot. He said she appeared to be shouting at Upshaw after he caught up with her.

“At this time Upshaw grabbed Gryzb by the back of the neck and hair” and appeared to try to push her down, Romine wrote in a deposition and charge sheet.

Another Bama Crook

January 6th, 2011
10:32 am

MOBILE, Alabama — Former Alabama and NFL linebacker Keith McCants has been arrested in Florida and charged with cocaine possession.

Police say McCants was arrested early Wednesday morning as he left a St. Petersburg strip club.

Police who stopped the 42-year former first round draft pick of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers say they saw a crack pipe in the center console of his Chevrolet Tahoe.

Police also found one piece of crack in the purse of McCants’ female passenger.

4 ARRESTS IN ONE YEAR BAMA DUDE!!

January 6th, 2011
10:34 am

MOBILE, Ala. — Former professional football player Keith McCants was arrested at midday today on a charge of use and possession of drug paraphernalia, Mobile police said.

It is at least the fourth arrest in less than a year for the former defensive player for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, University of Alabama and Murphy High School, according to Press-Register archives.

McCants was released about 2 hours after he was booked at Mobile County Metro Jail, according to jail records.
Police spokesman Officer Christopher Levy said narcotics officers spotted McCants in the 1300 block of Hercules Street about noon and found an item considered drug paraphernalia. Levy would not specify what the item was.
On May 4, McCants was arrested on a charge of attempting to purchase drugs, and on Dec. 19, McCants was picked up on a paraphernalia charge as well as a charge of loitering for the purpose of drug activity, according to Press-Register files.
Last Oct. 20, McCants was arrested on outstanding warrants for failure to appear in court to answer two misdemeanor drug charges, according to the files.

Buckeye

January 6th, 2011
10:36 am

DawginLex,

Perhaps UK and #2 Ohio State will meet up at some point this year! I’ll check out the Wildcats but it always takes a while to get in to college basketball after football season.

Good luck.

The Justice League

January 6th, 2011
10:37 am

Tony,

You are correct sir on every thing you wrote. As of TODAY. You and I have spoke more than once on this subject face to face. You and I know what is coming down the road. I know as a responsible journalist and reporter that you will not comment on these future proceedings.
I know in the future you will hopefully write the entire story and it may take a couple weeks series do get it all in there, but you will do it. I guess we will all have to wait until the Criminal Proceedings that are coming up in Alabama will be our scheduler from this point moving forward.

MR

January 6th, 2011
10:37 am

Nothing like a sad barner trying to hijack a thread.

I guess it’s typical though.

Best team in years and it’s still ALL about Bama.

You Shut Your Mouth yet Gomer?

January 6th, 2011
10:38 am

Just google “Bama Players arrested and you get over 2.2 million results!

Happy Face

January 6th, 2011
10:39 am

Do you realize when Keith McCants played at Alabama? mid and late 80’s.

You Shut Your Mouth yet Gomer?

January 6th, 2011
10:39 am

No MR I’m sick and tired of idiots like you questioning our character and integrity when you have no ground to stand on AT ALL? What are you the moral police now? STFU!!!!

Macon

January 6th, 2011
10:40 am

And yet, Schad still has NO answer:

WHERE—–DID—–THE—-MONEY—–COME—–FROM ??

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
10:40 am

Blah, blah, blah. You can’t control what these kids do once they leave scool. Ever heard of Anthony Mix, arrested on statutory rape charges? Marquies Gunn, drug charges? There are plenty more, I just ain’t gonna blow up the blog with nonsense like some choose to do. There will be no further acknowledgement of you from me.

GTBob

January 6th, 2011
10:42 am

The reason Cam isn’t declared ineligible: He is the best player in college football, his team was in the running for a National Championship, and he generates TV revenue all by himself.

The reason the OSU players weren’t suspended for the Sugar Bowl: Because the game would have been rendered meaningless, Sugar Bowl executives would have been upset, and TV viewership would have been very low.

The NCAA will not rule a player ineligible if it significantly alters the amount of money generated by the sport. Its one of the most corrupt organizations in existence and has no real guidelines for any of the decisions they make or penalties they deliver. Cam and the OSU 5 should not have been eligible and everybody knows it.

[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by College Football. College Football said: Cam Newton, Terrelle Pryor rulings are completely different http://bit.ly/eO346o (via @MrCFB) [...]

Happy Face

January 6th, 2011
10:43 am

If you even went with Jimmy Johnson it would have been more relevant, he was at least a Shula recruit. You will not see many if any reports of Saban’s recruits. Move on with comments about what Mr. Barnhardt is writing about today.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
10:44 am

Macon

January 6th, 2011
10:40 am
And yet, Schad still has NO answer:

WHERE—–DID—–THE—-MONEY—–COME—–FROM ??

No offense, but you’re acting a little dooshy. None of us know where the money came from and it doesn’t matter. The Barners have chosen to hang on Cam’s jock for the chance to win their first National title since 1957. When Cam, Fairley, Bynes, and the whole OL are gone next year, they’ll be back in their rightful mediocre place.

wardenerd

January 6th, 2011
10:44 am

I cannot remember a case where the NCAA proved someone took money from an agent or school without an admission by the player or the payer. Someone told on Reggie Bush and his agents and he were forced to tell the truth not by the NCAA but under threat of line to investigators from the government who investigated it. The NCAA had already been rebuffed in the BUSH affair and had proved nothing. In every other case it became a he said she said with supporting evidence but no “PROOF”. Did Cam Newton take money? Only he or his dad or the payer knows for sure and with no tapes or videos there is no proof.

Happy Face

January 6th, 2011
10:44 am

meant Jimmy Johns….see how relevant these folks are

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
10:45 am

GTBob, that’s nonsense. Both decisions follow the bylaws that are in place to the letter.

Driving Ms Dooley

January 6th, 2011
10:46 am

@Happy Face

We don’t want to talk about what’s happening today. Don’t you get it?

Chris Lane

January 6th, 2011
10:46 am

Tony, your article is well thought out generally. However, you state “The fact that Cam Newton did not know…” The only fact established by the NCAA in this regard is that they have no evidence/proof upon which to base a decision. Cam’s statements to Miss St. coach and others that he preferred Miss St. but “the money was too much” at Auburn, if established as fact, would prove: 1) that he was aware of a pay for play scheme, 2) that either he did this himself or that he was very much aware of whomever was acting as his agent, and, 3) that not only had this been discussed with Auburn but was or was expected to be consummated. All of this satisfies the SEC and NCAA definition of an agent agreeing to accept money, even if the money never changed hands.

Since there has been no reprimand of the Miss St. coach who asserted this quote from Cam, I can only conclude that the SEC/NCAA did not accept this coach’s word as adequate evidence and could not corroborate it in any way and thus concluded that they cannot act on inconclusive evidence. This is far from establishing as fact that Cam did not know.

Likewise, the Ohio state “punishment” is intellectually inconsistent with other rulings and is clearly a rationalized conclusion. Why make universities sit athletes who are accused of violations immediately until the case is concluded, on penalty of forfeiture of games played in while they were ineligible because a possible/probably violation had been discovered but not resolved and then give someone convicted of an actual violation a pass for a bowl game immediately thereafter??? The argument that the bowl game is a special reward the players have earned only elevates it as the best way to punish them for the violation. The violation is worth a 5 game suspension at the beginning of next year, when they may not even be with the team, but not worthy of suspending them for one bowl game you know they will play???

The truth is that the Big Ten was so pissed about the “creative solution” to the SEC violation (Cam) that if the NCAA had not been “creatively lenient” in addressing this case they would have risked the Big Ten starting a movement to abandon the NCAA as a governing body. My what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive!!!

MR

January 6th, 2011
10:47 am

You Shut Your Mouth yet Gomer?

Yep, there’s that barner class we all know and love.

Your friendly Neighborhood NCAA investigator

January 6th, 2011
10:47 am

We had proof on Bush, in recordings, signed documents, and the material such as the car, house, money wire transfers, checks and videootapes. Kind of blew that theory out of the water. USC is not going to get relief, and once the FBI and Justice Department report their evidence in March we will have an open door into the soul of the Auburn House of Cards.

was this necessary?

January 6th, 2011
10:50 am

I found this comment you Tony Barnhart made on Twitter on Saturday was uncalled for. Why don’t you just make a derogatory comment about O J Simpson and what he means to Souther Cal. Oh yeah, that’s right, OJ is a grown man with a temper and an attitude and might just hunt you down. Pryor is just a college kid and cannot do anything about it. I mean, did Terrelle run his mouth that he runs Ohio State? Did Terrelle say he was the best thing ever to come out of Ohio State? Then why do you run your arrogant mouth about a kid? Here’s the twitter comment:

“MrCFB Some news for young Mr. Pryor:. Kirk Herbstreit does more for Ohio State
on a good weekend than you’ll do in four (make that 3.5) years.. 18 minutes ago ”
· reply

Your friendly Neighborhood NCAA investigator

January 6th, 2011
10:51 am

If you folks think the Auburn fan base was mad after getting left out of the BCS title game in 04-05 then wait until we hammer them this summer. Get the popcorn ready.

mongo

January 6th, 2011
10:53 am

Ohio State’s victory…tainted. If AU wins, then it is tainted as well.

USC et. al.

January 6th, 2011
10:55 am

We don’t really have a problem with the NCAA’s new attitude toward rules violations, we just want to know how we go about getting our forfeited wins and scholarships back.

Thanks

DC

January 6th, 2011
10:56 am

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
10:44 am
Macon

January 6th, 2011
10:40 am
And yet, Schad still has NO answer:

WHERE—–DID—–THE—-MONEY—–COME—–FROM ??

No offense, but you’re acting a little dooshy. None of us know where the money came from and it doesn’t matter. The Barners have chosen to hang on Cam’s jock for the chance to win their first National title since 1957. When Cam, Fairley, Bynes, and the whole OL are gone next year, they’ll be back in their rightful mediocre place.

Bammers are upset because:

1. AU is in the title game.
2. BAMA was “supposed” to be in the title game.
3. Saban was outcoached multiple times this year.
4. Dredlocks are losing its coolness
5. WITH ALL THE EVIDENCE ETC ETC, CAM IS STILL PLAYING AND THIS CHAMPIONSHIP WILL STICK AND THERE ISN’T A THING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT….but say “just wait..just wait..smoke smoke smoke..fire..exhaust..die”

MR

January 6th, 2011
11:01 am

DC you see the NYT article today ?
It was on the front page..You must be proud..

USC et. al.

January 6th, 2011
11:02 am

@DC

Auburn hasn’t won anything yet, and if they do, then the victory will always carry the taint that your last (and only other) NC carries to this day.

Auburn will never be anything but Auburn. Even the great Cam Newton can’t change that.

MikeP

January 6th, 2011
11:03 am

Alphare
January 6th, 2011
8:55 am
“…. Logic tells me Newton’s dad must have told his son what he is doing, …..”

When you were 21, would your dad have told you he was patronizing hookers? That he tried to make a deal with a sleezeball agent to get some illicit money?
Mine wouldn’t have, and logic tells me Cam’s dad didn’t want him to know what was going on either.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
11:04 am

DC, I ain’t upset. It took a down year in college football and two freakishly talented but scumbag players to get the Barn to the top… for one year. Enjoy. Maybe you’ll still be alive next time it happens. Meanwhile, did you see oor defense in the Cap One Bowl? Ten starters on the nation’s #6 scoring D come back plus two stud juco DL in Jesse Williams and Quenton Dial to replace Dareus. Nah, I ain’t mad a bit.

Tech Fan Since 1950

January 6th, 2011
11:04 am

The BCS has been a fraud from day one, but, except for allowing the BCS, I always thought the NCAA was a little better than that. I remember the days of early television coverage of football when the NCAA logo would always appear on TV at the start of a game with the word integrity among others. Everything is really gone with the wind.

You Have to Love the Auburn Fans

January 6th, 2011
11:04 am

As a UGA fan, I can firmly attest as reported in fall 2010 that Auburn Fans are by far the WORST in the SEC. Not only once they have been caught AGAIN cheating and doing so brazeningly, they then use the copy and paste method to spew any article on Georgia, Alabama or any team they inspire to become. Yeah we had a bad season but prior to this year, Auburn was 0-4 against us and 2-2 against Alabama. I see why Alabama fans call them BARNERS, they were raised in a barn and smell like the livestock.

USC et. al.

January 6th, 2011
11:04 am

@MikeP

Sorry to hear about your Dad.

DC

January 6th, 2011
11:07 am

I do commend AU for doing what was necessary…lets be honest 85% of these “student” athletes don’t need to be in college. But, they are forced to go due to NFL restrictions. Obviously its going to look scary if you were once 4 to 85…

Oh and WHO THE HECK READS THE NY TIMES?? WHO FINDS THEM TO BE A GREAT SOURCE OF INFORMATION? Liberals?

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
11:07 am

MikeP, you don’t believe tht yourself. Did you read the SI article about Cam? He and his Dad were joined at the hip for the whole recruiting process. Cam didn’t know about PFP just like he didn’t know the laptop was hot.

Jeff

January 6th, 2011
11:08 am

I know this,Cams father solicited his son to MSU, thats a violation right there. Thats the the rule, its all about the $, ncaa = hypocrites.

MikeP

January 6th, 2011
11:11 am

our friendly Neighborhood NCAA investigator
January 6th, 2011
10:51 am
“f you folks think the Auburn fan base was mad after getting left out of the BCS title game in 04-05 then wait until we hammer them this summer. Get the popcorn ready.”

First it was going to be “the third Friday in November”. Above you say March. Now it’s “this summer”. Facts are, the investigations are over, nothing was found and It’s Great To Be An Auburn Tiger!

Bill Clinton

January 6th, 2011
11:11 am

Jeff,

It all depends upon what the meaning of “is” is. We lawyers don’t deal in plain-spoken English.

DC

January 6th, 2011
11:12 am

Bama dude, I love bama’s defense..it was sick. I hate you guys! haha

Jeff

January 6th, 2011
11:12 am

MikeP

January 6th, 2011
11:13 am

And as for that Gundlach guy, he couldn’t PROVE ANYTHING!

Who you gonna believe? Some unemployed Sociology Professor, or Coach Chizik?

MikeP

January 6th, 2011
11:14 am

Great article Tony! It’s good to see that someone in the media “gets it”.

Happy Face

January 6th, 2011
11:14 am

Thanks for the Link to the NY TIMES article. It sounds like everyone is biding time for Bobby Lowder’s term to expire. It would have been nice for Bynes to finish his thoughts.

Everyone knows that the program at Auburn has been a sham for over 25 years and as long as the firm LowderDyeYellerwood are running the school life on the plains is better than a Harry Houdini show.

MikeP

January 6th, 2011
11:16 am

I see the 14 year-old set is here using other people’s names again. Surprisingly, the one under the assumed name got it right; Gundlach was a bitter prof who didn’t get a promotion he wanted., So thanks, kid!

Tony B.

January 6th, 2011
11:17 am

MikeP,

Don’t worry. I “get it”.

That is to say, I get my paycheck every month — right on time. Never kill the goose that lays the golden eggs… That’s what I always say!

Your friendly Neighborhood NCAA investigator

January 6th, 2011
11:18 am

Mike P…..enjoy the week , you have 5 days of joy left, you will be history once the season begins in 2011. Great news on the academics at Auburn huh? Are you here at Auburn to go to class or play football? Sign over the lockerroom door.

We are coming but first we have to wait for the other guys to finish……LMAO…..

Your Therapist

January 6th, 2011
11:19 am

MikeP,

Lets talk about Professor Gundlach and your Dad…

Your friendly Neighborhood NCAA investigator

January 6th, 2011
11:21 am

What excuses and lies will you continue to spout after Tony is required to write the article on how bad the cheating had gotten at Auburn later in the year? Saying the professor had no proof is like say the Colonel has no Chicken at KFC. We handed you Violations and it is documented on our website.

Your friendly Neighborhood NCAA investigator

January 6th, 2011
11:22 am

Your Therapist…NOW THAT WAS a LOW BLOW! I will not even go there. Sorry Mike.

DC

January 6th, 2011
11:25 am

hey “Your friendly Neighborhood NCAA investigator” aka Spammer…either post facts or do something funny..you are doing neither.

Your friendly Neighborhood NCAA investigator

January 6th, 2011
11:25 am

Mike p…that game in Athens may be two teams looking to get to 6 wins, my dogs may be down but I at least know our coach does not break the tithing rule and cheats to get wins and is run by the banker, the casinor owner, and the wood preserver….Coke and Delta will not give us any additional money, and Arthur Blank has his money tied up with the Falcons.

dawgfan#2

January 6th, 2011
11:26 am

One thing is for sure.It was NOT his Daddy that did those things at The Univ of FLA.Heisman*,Sure,He was the very best out there this year,No doubt.Just tear the part out about integrity and you have a perfect fit.That smell in Lee Co is just stinking up the whole State of Alabama……………..*Tainted

MikeP

January 6th, 2011
11:26 am

There were no NCAA violations resulting from the Gundlach case. Like the Cam Newton situation, that was nothing but a bunch of haters who saw their dreams of Auburn’s downfall crushed when the facts came out.

See y’all in Arizona…Oh wait, you wont be there. I’ll tell you all about it Tuesday morning.

Your friendly Neighborhood NCAA investigator

January 6th, 2011
11:27 am

DC…The Facts must be too hard to handle little sister….

Your friendly Neighborhood NCAA investigator

January 6th, 2011
11:27 am

Mike P….NO VIOLATIONS…Check again…

The Karl Childers

January 6th, 2011
11:28 am

@THEGAME – Your inference that Auburn has the “toughest compliance department in the SEC” is what we call an oxymoron. That’s like being the leper with the most fingers.

@MR – Well said, young man.

@RCB – The NCAA doesn’t “believe” that the son knew what the father did. They certainly can’t suppose to know, for a fact, what Cam was thinking at the time. There will be more to come on this story.

@dawgfacedboy – Ohio State’s schedule next year stands up against anyone in the NCAA. They’ll schedule anyone, anywhere. So far, the only SEC team to step up is Georgia in 2020 and 2021.

@Good Grief – Ohio State is not “winless against the SEC” but, like I said yesterday, you cannot claim that you root for an entire conference, as you surely must root for one of the SEC teams in particular. Which one would it be? The Buckeyes played Arkansas on Tuesday night, not the “SEC.” Step up and declare your team affiliation, dude.

Bottom line: The “SEC” won’t be playing for the championship on Monday, Auburn will. It won’t be a team of all-SEC players, it’ll be Auburn’s players. When Oregon wins the game, they will not have defeated the “SEC,” they will have defeated Auburn by a score of 38 – 31.

Your friendly Neighborhood NCAA investigator

January 6th, 2011
11:28 am

Do you know how close Auburn is and was to losing certification?

Your friendly Neighborhood NCAA investigator

January 6th, 2011
11:30 am

Speaking and having a conversation with Auburn fans and supporters is like talking to “RAINMAN”

DC

January 6th, 2011
11:31 am

How can we have a convo with you when you are just spamming every other minute…stop hiding behind that alias..

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
11:33 am

Oh look, Buckeye Karl is back. Got any new tattoos?

MikeP

January 6th, 2011
11:33 am

YOU CAN’T PROVE ANYTHING!!!

Now I’m going to Glendale. They have plenty of sand for me to stick my head in!

Al Sharpton

January 6th, 2011
11:34 am

I have defended alot of downtrodden people in my life, but even I cannot go to bat for Cam and Cecil Newton. As my late good friend Johnny Cochran would say, ” The Glove must fit, and it is being worn by Cam Newton.” Go Dawgs….Johnny was a Dawg..

ARdawg

January 6th, 2011
11:36 am

Tony is a Gomer

As usual Tony you deflect from the other issues. Selective journalism at it’s best. CamGate and BuckeyeGate are completely different issues and broken rules. However, AJ Green’s violation and Buckeye gate are the very same violations. Why did you not compare those and explain away “why” the Bucs got to play in the Sugar Bowl and AJ’s suspension was immediate? I don’t buy this new found rule of “unique opportunity”, it’s BS and you know it. Why Tony do you continue to suck up to the NCAA? You are supposed to be a journalist first or has your illustrious TV career taken off that you can forsake that now?

Your friendly Neighborhood NCAA investigator

January 6th, 2011
11:36 am

DC,

Okay, or should I call you Raymond Babbit from here on out.

Suckeye

January 6th, 2011
11:36 am

I think Slingblade left a new tattoo on Karl’s AZZ yesterday.

Tell the truth

January 6th, 2011
11:38 am

DawginLex Maybe they could do that while they are investigating your lack of football knowledge.
I thought FSU did a pretty good job pasting your SEC Least winner SC. I also though NC did a good job dispatching Tn. 3-4 – the best in the land? hardly It’s the individual schools making runs BUT not the conference as a whole

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
11:38 am

ARdawg, what part of the season did AJ serve his suspension?

Your friendly Neighborhood NCAA investigator

January 6th, 2011
11:39 am

DC( Raymond Babbit) define spamming? I have been upfront and honest and you know it. The argument on your end just does not hold water. It holds cash and payoffs just not the truth or water and that goes to Mike P also.

Joe Bob Thibodaux

January 6th, 2011
11:39 am

Tony, good explanation. The Cam situation looks bad but I think the NCAA did the right thing.

Side note: Even though I hate Bama, Florida, and Texas A & M, I am developing a grudging respect for BAMA dude.

JBT

bamanooga

January 6th, 2011
11:39 am

Tony, still waiting on your special place in Hell column on Cecil Newton. What gives?

The Karl Childers

January 6th, 2011
11:40 am

@Suckeye – I made Slingblade my bee-atch and he knows, and you know it, and the American people know it.

Tell the truth

January 6th, 2011
11:41 am

MikeP Just further indication of the classlessness that has existed at AwBarn for over half a century. You know- you just can’t buy class- you either have it or you don’t. And Awbarn has never had and never will have it. You can’t get to classy coming from Awbarn.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
11:43 am

Thanks Joe Bob. You ain’t gotta begrudge though.

Business as Usual

January 6th, 2011
11:44 am

ARdawg,

Tony hasn’t worked as a journalist for some time now. He just writes this blog for the AJC.

Can’t really blame him… Who would want to report on the sleaze that CFB has now become?

Joe Bob Thibodaux

January 6th, 2011
11:45 am

Dude, I guess you’re right. I just hate Bama.

JBT

Mudd

January 6th, 2011
11:45 am

Bama steals another recruit. Gotta love that. Hey Bama Dude, I think I speak for all UGA fans when I say I would gladly give up the handful of out of state studs we’ve had over the years (Stafford, Green, Moreno, Murray, etc.) in exchange for keeping every stud we’ve lost to sh*thole states that can’t produce their own talent like Bama, Tenn. and the Carolinas.

Can you say the same? Of course not.

David Granger

January 6th, 2011
11:46 am

I never thought that the Terrell Pryor situation and the Cam Newton situation were the same…for the reasons you mentioned. I DO, however, believe that the Terrell Pryor and A.J. Green situations were identical: Same situation, same rule broken, not real forthcoming with accurate info, etc. And A.J. Green was required to miss the next four games, unlike Pryor and the others who got to play in their next game.
Now if you make a ruling based on not wanting to see a multi-million dollar bowl game screwed up when one team loses its main offensive weapon, then fine…that’s a reasonable and legitimate argument. But ADMIT that, and don’t be a hypocrite about it…especially not by “pretending” that they’ll all come back next year and be suspended then.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
11:47 am

LSU man JBT?

David in Cumming

January 6th, 2011
11:47 am

Tony,

This is obvious that you are nothing more than an apologist for the NCAA and SEC and their money machine. They are protecting their brand and product that is the elite college athlete. SInce your livelihood is also part of the machine it is no surprise you would sing the company song. But if you believe the Newton’s are no guilty you are not only a fool, but a damn fool.

Erk

January 6th, 2011
11:47 am

There’s no way Cam didn’t know about his dad offering money. There’s just no proof he knew.

The NCAA is consistently inconsistent. The OSU players committed the infractions a year before AJ Green & AJ has to sit out immediately while the OSU players conveniently get to play in the Sugar Bowl (money, money, money, right NCAA??) and have the punishment enforced next season. Does Jim Tressel really believe Prior will not go pro next year?

Bama

January 6th, 2011
11:48 am

Well Joe Bob, I guess I’ll just have to get over it, won’t I?

And I was hoping for Filé Gumbo…

:-)

ARdawg

January 6th, 2011
11:49 am

Bama dude

When you ask? Immediately at the conclusion of the investigation. I think I know where you are going with that and it doesn’t hold water. AJ’s investigation was prior to the beginning of the season. Do you believe if the season had started they would have waited until next year to suspend him? If he “signed” a statement of course?

Joe Bob Thibodaux

January 6th, 2011
11:50 am

BAMA dude

I remember the Bear years as a Tiger fan, and its something that we can’t get forget. The young folks just don’t understand.

JBT

CatsFly

January 6th, 2011
11:51 am

I agree w/Tony, but it still don’t extinguish the “stank”. And where there’s “stank”, you know the *$@# ain’t far away.

ARdawg

January 6th, 2011
11:51 am

Business as Usual

Agreed. He’s a CBS Mega-star now *snicker*

boots

January 6th, 2011
11:52 am

If this were Herschel Walker in 1980, I’d support a ruling like this for the NCAA, too. But the fact is ONLY the Auburn fans think the ruling was the right one on Cam, and ONLY the Auburn fans support him playing. That should tell you something. The FACTS are that wrong was done, that negotiations were taking place, and Cam and his father were seeking $. Period. End of story. Auburn fans, you might get your championship, but you WILL have to return it later. Enjoy it for a couple of years, but the truth will come out, and when it does, let me know how it tastes, because right now you are the only ones not being honest about things.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
11:52 am

Mudd, wtf? Three things: 1) Georgia is a significantly more populous state than Alabama. 2) More of Bama’s studs are in-state than you wants to realize. Rolando and LeRon McClain, Julio Jones, and Andre Smith are a few examples. 3) Being able to recruit nationally is the hallmark of a great program I thought?

Bama

January 6th, 2011
11:52 am

Don’t worry JBT. The grandkids will understand.

RTR!!!

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
11:54 am

ARDawg, the difference is that you’e punishing the other kids on the team too much by pulling eligibility like that. tOSU self-reported this; it was a player eligibility issue, not an institutional issue. Better to let the kids play their last game then serve next year. Remember, they got an extra game on top of what AJ got too.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
11:56 am

Joe Bob, I don’t have “hate” per se toward LSU. They are a rival that I want Bama to beat, but I don’t hate them. I use hate for the Barn and those orange clad cretins in the hills.

Just a Chicken Farmer

January 6th, 2011
11:57 am

Tony,

We all know the rules and legal issues both Pryor and Newton have broken over the years. It has been well documented and published in almost every sports print in the country. They both were given opportunities to excel, get an education, hone their skills for careers in the NFL. They both broke NCAA rules and we all know the NCAA is about money and money is King. But as a poor Chicken farmer here in West Georgia that borders Alabama we have a saying over here.

You know that white speck that sits on top of a pile of Chicken Shot, it may not look like the rest of the Chicken Shot, but we all know it is still Chicken Shot

Bama

January 6th, 2011
11:57 am

BAMA dude,

I don’t know you, but I can tell that you’re a Republican just by your adoration of legal loopholes.

;-)

Roll Tide!

Dontavius Supremo

January 6th, 2011
11:58 am

You’re sounding more and more like a lawyer, Tony. That doesn’t help.

Joe Bob Thibodaux

January 6th, 2011
11:58 am

Bama, you got a good program. So do we. Jefferson will be a senior next year, and we might finally have a QB with Mittenberger. I look forward to the next meeting with the Tide. I always do and always have. Even the Bear, when asked what he liked to do after the game, said he liked to listen to the Tiger game on WWL.

DC

January 6th, 2011
11:58 am

Why will we have to return it later? Do you have any factual proof that you need to send to the NCAA? B/C it seems NCAA got an abundant amount of info before making their “judgement”…if another person comes out..and its another he say/he say..it wont stick…

Don’t think I don’t agree with what went on…I think it was the worst thing a father could do to a son or daughter…His father needs to cower and hide in Newnan for the rest of his life..when i found out his father would be in Glendale I got extremely upset…He needs to vanish.

What will the tapes reveal?

January 6th, 2011
11:59 am

If you do not know what that means, look it up! Relevations..

Bama

January 6th, 2011
12:00 pm

Kudos to the Bengals JBT. You are always worthy opponents.

Give those Aggies Hell!

ARdawg

January 6th, 2011
12:00 pm

Bama dude

Geeze guy, are you serious?
“you’e punishing the other kids on the team too much by pulling eligibility like that”

That has absolutely nothing to do with the price of tea in China. Rules are rules and should be applied evenly. Because OSU was heading to the Sugar Bowl is not a valid reason to set aside the rules. The “other kids” have no bearing on the violations other than they have been playing with a violator of the rules. You’re just like Tony, the NCAA and the BCS cartel, make the rules up as you go.

I call BS on you

Buckeye

January 6th, 2011
12:02 pm

Erk,

Yes, Tressel really does believe Pryor will not go pro. Speculation, before tatto-gate, was the only one of the five that was believed to be entering the draft was Boom Herron – a fourth year Junior.
We’ll see and sooner than later. I am confident they will keep thier word with Tressel. If not, their relationship with the Buckeye family and Columbus will end.

O H……

Les Miles

January 6th, 2011
12:02 pm

I am currently working on my buyout. I need to go home where the folks will appreciate my ability to gamble and win while doing it.

Bama

January 6th, 2011
12:02 pm

@DC

“His father needs to cower and hide in Newnan for the rest of his life..when i found out his father would be in Glendale I got extremely upset…He needs to vanish.”

Like the $200,000.00 did?

ARdawg

January 6th, 2011
12:03 pm

Buckeye

Now that’s funny right there. I don’t care who you are

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
12:03 pm

Bama there’s no loophole here anywhere. With Cam, I still maintain that there’s never been sanctions imposed without an exchange of benefits. Ever. Personally, I’d like to keep it that way. As far as the Bucks go, why punish the rest of the team by forcing a bunch of second stringers in at the end of the season? The rest of the kids didn’t do it. I’m fine with letting them serve the suspension with some advance warning. Frankly I don’t think there should be any punishment for a kid selling his own stuff anyway, but that’s another point.

JBT, your ultimate success next year hinges on Mett, I think. If he’s a competent QB then you just might have another MNC run in there. No doubt though, coming to Tuscaloosa is gonna be tough next year. Those young men looked mean and fast in that MSU game.

Les Miles

January 6th, 2011
12:04 pm

Tressel is going to leave because he knows I am coming to Ann Arbor…

Bob in Buford

January 6th, 2011
12:04 pm

You’re completely neglect the rule that states if you agree to accept money, you are ineligible. When Cecil stated his price, he implicitly agreed to accept it, otherwise, why would you ask for something you weren’t going to accept. In addition, according to the rule, it doesn’t matter whether Cam knew about it or not. What you should’ve told the big ten idiots is that there’s no difference between the ohio state situation and AJ Green. It’s all about money, that’s why the osu players were in the Sugar Bowl. I think the days of NCAA control are numbered after this season. Do you think Orrin Hatch might be watching all of this transpire?

Bama

January 6th, 2011
12:05 pm

@Buckeye

“If not, their relationship with the Buckeye family and Columbus will end.”

Yep… heh heh heh.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
12:06 pm

ARDawg, nobody’s “making up” rules. You see, these committees are akin to judges/juries in the legal sense. Once a “conviction” takes place, they are going to come up with what they believe to be appropriate punishment for the offense in question. In this case they decided on five games to start 2011, which I have no problem with.

ARdawg

January 6th, 2011
12:06 pm

Bama dude

I don’t think there should be punishment for that offense either but the fact remains that there is. The other fact is the NCAA is not applying the rules evenly. With you logic, if UGA had been in the #1 in the polls, AJ’s suspension should have been delayed until they were beaten or after the season.

MR

January 6th, 2011
12:06 pm

@DC

sanc·ti·mo·ni·ous
   /ˌsæŋktəˈmoʊniəs/ Show Spelled[sangk-tuh-moh-nee-uhs] Show IPA
–adjective
1.
making a hypocritical show of religious devotion, piety, righteousness, etc.: They resented his sanctimonious comments regarding Cam Newton’s father

bamanooga

January 6th, 2011
12:07 pm

One more thing.. Since when has the NCAA needed “proof” to punish an institution? The NCAA is always harping that they don’t have subpoena power and have to act on what they believe to be true or a preponderance of evidence. One has to make an irrational leap to believe if the dad asked for money from one school, he’d then go to another for free and y’all can spin that all day but can’t get around that.

Next, you have MSU coaches on record that his dad/agent solicited money and the dad through a third party confirmed as much. Cam should have been ineligible right there, slam dunk. There is no loophole because no money changed hands, that is laughable. There is a rule on the NCAA books about soliciting money and an agreement. So the NCAA and you are arguing that no “agreement” took place because no money changed hands. I guess when I go to WalMart and they have price posted for bananas that’s not an “agreement” on price from them. Even if I don’t buy WalMart agrees to accept that for a price.

IMHO you, Finebaum and Slive are taking credibility hits for continuing this absurd argument. It’s a huge farce that has become a running joke. In summary the rest of the USA is calling BS.

Les Miles

January 6th, 2011
12:07 pm

I wish we were playing a Big Ten School, they are easier to beat, just wait till I am at Michigan, I am bringing SEC style football to the North, I have learned alot down here on the Bayou and the SEC.

ARdawg

January 6th, 2011
12:09 pm

Bama dude

You still fail to see the bigger picture, because a team or individual player happens to be more successful does not mean the punishments should be doled out any differently. Big NCAA and Sugar Bowl money came into play on the BucGate decision. No other reason. You can try to digest and explain that away anyway you wish. That doesn’t make it so.

Bama

January 6th, 2011
12:10 pm

@BAMA dude

I don’t really have that much of a problem with the SEC and NCAA ignoring rules violations. I just want the ignoring to be distributed in an equitable manner. But who are we kidding? It’s all about the money — and now, there’s no doubt about that FACT any more.

Whatever… RTR!!!

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
12:10 pm

Bob in Buford

January 6th, 2011
12:04 pm
You’re completely neglect the rule that states if you agree to accept money, you are ineligible. When Cecil stated his price, he implicitly agreed to accept it, otherwise, why would you ask for something you weren’t going to accept.

Dead wrong and been discussed ad nauseum. Agreement to receive requires another party agreeing to provide or else no agreement ever took place. If I ask you for fifty bucks and you tell me to jump in a river then there was no agreement. Why? Maybe you would have said, “OK. I’ll give you fifty bucks but you have to come mow my lawn, wash my car, and sleep with my wife.” I might have then said, “No thanks, keep your fifty bucks but do you have any pics of the wife?” See, no agreement.

Mudd

January 6th, 2011
12:11 pm

Wow, seriously Bama Dude? The population card? Just admit your state doesn’t produce squat. I mean it’s obvious to everyone that knows anything at all about football. It’s easily 10-1 out of state studs compared to Bama’s instead studs over the years. Give me a break. Plucking a few kids here and there from out of state does show the might of a solid program, sure, but when you are solely dependent on other states it just shows desperation and lack of hometown talent.

DC

January 6th, 2011
12:12 pm

haha 200K doesn’t vanish…it leaves a trail any FBI or an accountant could find…and that large sum of money should have been found months ago if thats the case…just saying..

"Grocery Bag and an Envelope"....

January 6th, 2011
12:12 pm

TUSCALOOSA, Ala., Sept. 7 — The National Collegiate Athletic Association alleged today that Alabama’s football program was guilty of major recruiting violations, including academic fraud, paying cash for players and throwing parties with strippers.

The alleged violations occurred from 1995 until last year, before the current Crimson Tide coaching staff was hired. But the allegations painted a sordid picture for a program known for winning national championships and boasting that it had stayed out of the N.C.A.A. doghouse.

In one instance, the N.C.A.A. alleged, a booster offered a high school coach $115,000 for a player and actually made three payments of $10,000. Former Alabama coaches were accused of repeatedly breaking rules, then denying any wrongdoing to investigators.

Prospective players were allegedly entertained by strippers several times during parties at a university apartment between 1997 and 1999. And, the N.C.A.A. charged, a former assistant coach failed to report that he knew about a recruit who let someone take a college entrance exam for him.

The N.C.A.A. said many of the alleged violations occurred while Mike DuBose was Alabama’s head coach. DuBose, who coached Alabama for four seasons, became embroiled in a sexual harassment scandal in 1999. He resigned at the close of last season, when the Crimson Tide finished 3-8.

Some of the N.C.A.A. allegations date back six years, when Gene Stallings was the head coach. The N.C.A.A. alleged that a booster in 1995 promised a recruit $20,000 to sign with Alabama. The booster then made cash payments in a plastic grocery bag and in a big envelope, the N.C.A.A. said.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
12:12 pm

ARdawg

January 6th, 2011
12:09 pm
Bama dude

You still fail to see the bigger picture, because a team or individual player happens to be more successful does not mean the punishments should be doled out any differently.

It’s not. They will sit out the next REGULAR SEASON game just like AJ did. If they were on a bad team they wouldn’t have had a bowl, correct? So they’d be sitting out the exact same games?

Joe Bob Thibodaux

January 6th, 2011
12:13 pm

Agreed Dude. TAM looks to be another good game tomorrow night. I look for a tight game if there isn’t too much rust.
SEC West will, hopefully, keep supplying the nation with National Champions. I also look for resurging strength in the SEC East next year.
For now, its the Aggies that have my attention. LSU needs to win this one. MSU looks to be a factor for sure in the coming years. Great football.

JBT

Starring Kam Fong as Chin Ho

January 6th, 2011
12:13 pm

What, pray tell, was the excuse for allowing the OSU players (who had already been found guilty) participate in the Sugar Bowl? That, in itself, ruins any credibility that the NCAA had left.

"Grocery Bag and an Envelope"....

January 6th, 2011
12:14 pm

Alabama could be considered a ”repeat offender” under N.C.A.A. rules, leading to a possible shutdown of the football program.

bmix4u

January 6th, 2011
12:14 pm

Anybody else think the NCAA rules committee is batty — that the rules oversight process needs to be broken down, bludgeoned and taken out back and shot?

Tony writes, “There was a finding of FACT that he (Pryor) and four other Ohio State players exchanged stuff that was given to him by the school for something of value (like money and tattoos). Money did change hands.” So what… the NCAA is now against bake sales and garage sales held by student athletes?

Gee. That’s a delicious looking cookie you have there. Although you earned it from the university as a reward for your hard work, your laborious study of the playbook and meritorious play, it obviously still belongs to the university as they have jurisdiction over whether you can eat it, eat it with ice cream, add sprinkles to it, exchange it for money or trade it for a muffin in this bake sale. Gimme a break!

Buckeye

January 6th, 2011
12:14 pm

Les,

Before you get there, ask UM to order a custom fitted hat or two for you.

It will be cool to have a Hat and The Vest in the same conference.

Bama

January 6th, 2011
12:14 pm

@BAMA dude

Try making that argument to your wife!

Delbert D.

January 6th, 2011
12:15 pm

Bama Dude – Pete Thamel has an article in the NYTimes web edition today that you might want to read.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
12:16 pm

Mudd

January 6th, 2011
12:11 pm
Wow, seriously Bama Dude? The population card? Just admit your state doesn’t produce squat. I mean it’s obvious to everyone that knows anything at all about football. It’s easily 10-1 out of state studs compared to Bama’s instead studs over the years. Give me a break. Plucking a few kids here and there from out of state does show the might of a solid program, sure, but when you are solely dependent on other states it just shows desperation and lack of hometown talent.

First of all, I don’t live in Alabama. It has its positives and negatives, good parts and bad parts like evrywhere else. Secondly, uh, yeah…. population matters as it pertains to putting out the most talent in anything. The three most populous states in southern climates (where kids can go outside all year)are Florida, Texas, and Cali. Guess which three states produce the most football players? And lastly, you really are grasping at straws to come on a COLLEGE football blog and talk smack about which state has the best high schoolers. Does anybody care?

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
12:17 pm

Delbert, you talking about the APR bit? I saw that.

"Grocery Bag and an Envelope"....

January 6th, 2011
12:17 pm

Free Crimson Dodge Chargers for everyone!! (We’ll throw in a free Crimson Escalade for Julio Jones too)

Buckeye

January 6th, 2011
12:18 pm

Question, we know who runs the State. Who runs the SEC? We know THAT’s not UGA.

"Grocery Bag and an Envelope"....

January 6th, 2011
12:19 pm

Bama Dude can’t hear you. He’s busy praying to his own personal Jesus, little Nicky Satan……

Delbert D.

January 6th, 2011
12:20 pm

Bama Dude – Yep, that one. The 100% – 49% graduation stats surprised me.

Bama

January 6th, 2011
12:20 pm

Have to agree with BAMA dude, Mudd.

Atlanta has a larger population than the entire state of Alabama, yet Alabama maintains a very high percentage of home-state players on their football roster. If you have evidence to the contrary, then please present it.

Throwing rotten tomatoes at Alabama doesn’t do anything to remove the Cam Taint from Auburn. It only reveals your absolute lack of class.

Repeat Violator?

January 6th, 2011
12:22 pm

TUSCALOOSA, Ala. — Alabama has told the NCAA that athletes improperly got free textbooks for other students and that the school failed to adequately monitor distribution.

The university said Thursday that the hearing before the Committee on Infractions was held on Feb. 20. The university reported the violations after uncovering them during the 2007 football season, when five players were suspended.

The university admitted in its 67-page response to the NCAA’s notice of allegations that infractions occurred in several sports and that it didn’t adequately monitor its distribution of textbooks to athletes.

The NCAA letter, dated May 19, 2008, said the allegations against Alabama were potentially major. They included allowing athletes to improperly receive textbooks and other supplies, failure to monitor textbook distribution and to provide adequate education on the rules to athletes and employees at the university bookstore.

The violations allegedly occurred from the 2005-06 school year through the fall of 2007, which means the university could be punished as a repeat violator. The football program was placed on probation on Feb. 1, 2002.

Bama

January 6th, 2011
12:23 pm

At least Bama’s players know how to read a textbook.

heyDucks

January 6th, 2011
12:24 pm

PLEASE do the sec a favor and wipe that smug grin off of #2.Maybe a nice shot to the knee.Just watch the uga-au game for a hint on that one.

Repeat Violator?

January 6th, 2011
12:25 pm

The coaches of the SEC certainly have their eye on Alabama football coach Nick Saban.

According to a report in The Birmingham News, Saban has been accused of violations by other teams more than any other head coach in the country.

In his seven months at Alabama, Saban’s name has turned up more than any other coach’s in other schools’ allegations of secondary NCAA rules violations, an official with knowledge of the infractions process says.

Gee I wonder why...

January 6th, 2011
12:26 pm

Quan Bray (left) and Xzavier Dickson both rejected UGA’s recruiting advances, picking Auburn and Alabama respectively.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
12:26 pm

Delbert, that could be an anomaly. But yes, it’s very interesting that 100% of the Barn’s white football players graduate while only 49% of the black players do. Don’t know what it means exactly, but it seems odd. Not going to throw mud around though.

Why have textbooks at Alabama anyway?

January 6th, 2011
12:28 pm

Too bad your fan base can’t read them “BAMA” LoL

Bama

January 6th, 2011
12:29 pm

http://diverseeducation.com/article/10/

Cincinnati, OHIO — The official statement given via Jack Brennan, public relations director for the Cincinnati Bengals, is: “James Brooks was able to function and perform in his football role while with the Bengals. No one was aware there was a problem.”

The “problem” he refers to was the revelation that occurred during a hearing in Judge Steve Martin’s Hamilton County, Ohio, courtroom last month regarding delinquent child support payments in excess of $110,000. James Brooks could not read the court documents; this after graduating from Warner Robins High School in Georgia in 1977 and after spending at least four years at Auburn University in Alabama. When asked by the judge how he graduated from Auburn, Brooks said, “I didn’t have to go to class.”

ARdawg

January 6th, 2011
12:29 pm

Bama dude

You are wrong again. IF OSU was 6-6 headed to Shreveport the OSU 5 would have sit that game out

lane edwards

January 6th, 2011
12:29 pm

just drop it about cam yall just mad that he is good and yall cant stand it

Joe Bob Thibodaux

January 6th, 2011
12:29 pm

Mike Hayward is causing my school grief. He was a good recruiter back n his day. Too bad for Pittsburg he has anger management issues. LSU fessed up though. We’ll take our lumps. Dumb stuff!

Why have textbooks at Alabama anyway?

January 6th, 2011
12:30 pm

However, the NCAA acknowledged that UA is subject to penalties as a “repeat violator,” stemming from sanctions in 2002. Those penalties, in the most rare and extreme instances, could include a program being shut down for two seasons.

Delbert D.

January 6th, 2011
12:30 pm

Next time the argument for paying student-athletes a stipend, remember this calculation. Let’s assume a stipend of $250 per month. You’ve seen those NCAA student-athlete ads running during the bowl season, I assume. The annual cost for the stipends to those 400,000 student-athletes that fall under the NCAA governance would be $1.2 billion dollars.

MR

January 6th, 2011
12:31 pm

Poor barners. Back them into corner and they spam the board.

How bad must it suck to be an aubie ?

ARdawg

January 6th, 2011
12:31 pm

Bama dude

You can put lipstick, rouge and eyeliner on that pig all you want, it is still a pig

Tell the truth

January 6th, 2011
12:31 pm

DC You got upset with Cecil did ya??? Well that changes everything. And hs should cower and go hide in Newnan or better yet vanish??? I know I am impressed.

War Eagle!!!

January 6th, 2011
12:32 pm

War Eagle, fly through da hood
Ain’t got no classes, grades still be good
War Eagle, pays more than State
Sign up and don’t be late
Go! Go! Go!
Probation, comin’ again
Hit ‘em late, Hit ‘em late,
Clam up and spin, Hey!
War Eagle, cheat for Auburn,
Stepchild of Dixie Land!

Not Spam If It's True...

January 6th, 2011
12:35 pm

MR It’s not spam if it’s true!

Delbert D.

January 6th, 2011
12:35 pm

Bama Dude – Me either, and it must be an anomaly. I’m not an Auburn hater, because my daughter went there for 2 years along with her best friend from high school. She got caught up in all of the sorority stuff, which brought an end to it.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
12:37 pm

ARdawg

January 6th, 2011
12:29 pm
Bama dude

You are wrong again. IF OSU was 6-6 headed to Shreveport the OSU 5 would have sit that game out

Do we have evidence of this, or are we just speculating and looking for conspiracies?

Bama

January 6th, 2011
12:37 pm

Heh, heh, heh…

http://diverseeducation.com/article/10/

Georgia, Auburn and Ohio – The Golden Triumvirate of Taint!

10 In One Year..Giving ThUGA a run for his money!

January 6th, 2011
12:37 pm

Bama linebacker Johns charged with selling cocaine, possessing Ecstasy

Alabama’s already thin linebacker corps took another hit Tuesday when senior Jimmy Johns was dismissed from the team following his arrest on multiple drug charges.

Jimmy Johns, the 10th Alabama football player arrested within the past year, is jailed in Tuscaloosa on $120,000 bond.
Johns, who was moved from running back to linebacker this spring, was arrested Tuesday morning in Tuscaloosa and charged with five felony counts of distributing cocaine.

A sixth charge of possession was also tacked on after police officers searched his off-campus residence and found cocaine and Ecstasy pills, according to Tuscaloosa Police Department Capt. Jeff Snyder, who heads up the West Alabama Narcotics Task Force.
It didn’t take Alabama coach Nick Saban long to react; he dismissed Johns immediately.
“This type of behavior obviously will not be tolerated, and he is no longer a part of our program,” Saban said in a statement.
Johns is the 10th Alabama football player arrested within the last year.

10 In One Year..Giving ThUGA a run for his money!

January 6th, 2011
12:38 pm

Hey Bammers….Got CRACK?????

Got Crack?

January 6th, 2011
12:40 pm

On two occasions police bought cocaine from Johns on the Alabama campus and, on one of the five times investigators bought cocaine from Johns, they bought as much as seven grams of the drug, according to police.

Bama

January 6th, 2011
12:40 pm

Yep, Bama had some thugs recruited under Mike Shula. Saban had to clean house before he could begin to turn the program around and regain the former glory of The Crimson Tide.

Mark Richt fans, you are welcome to take notes…

Denver Dog

January 6th, 2011
12:41 pm

Tony, thank you for telling us what the definition of “is” is! If there were no knowledge, then why was he declared ineligible? Why did he tell others that “at Auburn there was more money”? Why is the FBI involved, and the Mississippi attorney generals office? It is all about the money…..UNC lost half of its team for a party, UGA lost it’s best player for a jersey! Auburn lost nothing or playing an ineligible player. If nothing happend, why couldn’t his dad go to the ceremonies and the champinonship game? Do some work Tony

Bama

January 6th, 2011
12:42 pm

Auburn fans needn’t bother. You guys are proud of your cheating.

Saban=Biggest Traitor In Sports

January 6th, 2011
12:44 pm

n honor of the latest controversy surrounding Brett Favre, here’s our list of the five biggest traitors in sports.

1. Nick Saban: We all know that sports figures, and public figures for that matter, are capable of denying the truth at any given time. But none did it quite as brazenly as then-Dolphins coach Saban before jumping to a multi-million dollar offer at ‘Bama, after five weeks of repeated denials. “I guess I have to say it. I’m not going to be the Alabama coach. … I don’t control what people say. I don’t control what people put on dot-com or anything else. So I’m just telling you there’s no significance, in my opinion, about this, about me, about any interest that I have in anything other than being the coach here,” he said on Dec. 21, 2006. Less than three weeks later, came this statement: “What I realized in the last two years is that we love college coaching because of the ability that it gives you to affect people, young people. … If I knew that my heart was someplace else in what I wanted to do, I don’t think it would be fair to the [Dolphins] organization if I stayed.” Thus proving, Nick Saban’s heart = his wallet.

bmix4u

January 6th, 2011
12:44 pm

Yaw looking at this wrong with all this who should play – who shouldn’t play stuff. Those arguments assume the rules are sacrosanct. But the fact is, the rules are stupid. They’re set up to enslave student athletes. The labor of these athletes goes into university pockets. But if an athlete goes outside the established system to enrich or reward himself, the NCAA’s Fugitive Slave Act pulls him back in.

ARdawg

January 6th, 2011
12:44 pm

Bama dude

No conspiracy. What we have is the prior (not to be confused with Pryor, cause I know you are from Bama) history of suspensions handed down et al AJ Green to draw upon. Your completely baseless argument that timing is everything is BS. Break the rules, found guilty, take the punishment. Oh wait, Unless you are the OSU 5 and headed to the Sugar Bowl.

Bama

January 6th, 2011
12:45 pm

Then again, your record proves that cheating is the only activity at which you excel.

ARdawg

January 6th, 2011
12:46 pm

Bama dude

Have you ever in your life heard of or remember player’s signing a statement to return next year to receive their “just due”? I didn’t think so

Saban=Biggest Traitor In Sports

January 6th, 2011
12:46 pm

Nick Saban’s heart = his wallet.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
12:47 pm

Just announced that Greg McElroy has been awarded an NCAA Top VIII award, given annually to the eight outstanding student athletes. Every single NCAA athlete in every sport is eligible and they only give out eight. Outstanding accomplishment.

Saban=Biggest Traitor In Sports

January 6th, 2011
12:48 pm

The situation involving Alabama football players possibly getting paid continues to get more interesting.

The NCAA is looking into whether someone other than Alabama running back Mark Ingram, the 2009 Heisman Trophy winner, paid for him to attend a May 12 party in D.C.

Bama

January 6th, 2011
12:48 pm

ARdawg,

It’s like Buckeye said. If they don’t honor their promises to come back next year, then they won’t be allowed to come back.

Makes as much sense as the NCAA rulings this season.

Jealous Much

January 6th, 2011
12:48 pm

The dog fans want Auburn to get probation so bad they cant stand it. I find it rather comical. UGA fans calling other teams thugs… This is the same UGA that played soldier boy and danced like thugs on the sidelines during the game against Auburn. This the same UGA that cleared the bench against Florida to celebrate six freaking points. This is the same UGA that had a chop block during there loss to UC freaking F. I mean you chopped blocked UCF and you still couldn’t win? I know its tough heading to Memphis for your bowl game but maybe you will luck out and make it to Birmingham next year. Keep hating UGA. Auburn will just keep on winning…….

Bama

January 6th, 2011
12:50 pm

BAMA dude,

Surely Cam’s on that list too?

No?

Got Crack Bama?

January 6th, 2011
12:51 pm

TUSCALOOSA, Ala. (AP) — Alabama linebacker Jimmy Johns was arrested on felony drug charges Tuesday and kicked off the team, the latest in a string of off-the-field problems for coach Nick Saban’s squad.
Johns, who moved to defense for his senior year after playing running back and receiver in 2007, was “pretty wide open” selling cocaine to students on and around the University of Alabama campus but tried to hide what he was doing from teammates, police said.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
12:52 pm

ARdawg, bowl games are bowl games. Conference and regular season games should be considered more important anyway.

Got Crack Bama?

January 6th, 2011
12:54 pm

“I guess I have to say it. I’m not going to be the Alabama coach.

Tell the truth

January 6th, 2011
12:55 pm

Got Crack Bama? Why didn’t you say this was on 6/24/08? Do you ever tell the complete truth-the whole truth? Like I said, you can’t buy class. typical barner

Loves the NCAA

January 6th, 2011
12:56 pm

Tony – you are usually a great read but this was not a good effort on your part.

The correct point is not the comparison of the two situations. The correct point is that the OSU players clearly broke an NCAA rule but were able to take part of the Sugar Bowl. You briefly call this “goofy” but it is in fact the reason that college football fans are losing faith in the governing body here.

If it is about money, then let’s call it that and be done with it. Let’s stop pretending it is about the “Student Athlete”.

Got Crack Bama?

January 6th, 2011
12:56 pm

The National Collegiate Athletic Association alleged today that Alabama’s football program was guilty of major recruiting violations, including academic fraud, paying cash for players and throwing parties with strippers.

Jealous Much

January 6th, 2011
12:57 pm

Got Crack Bama:

I for one appreciate your work. Keep it coming

Got Crack Bama?

January 6th, 2011
12:57 pm

My bad Tell The Truth left the dates out, you want some more recent arrests?

How About DJ Hall?

January 6th, 2011
12:59 pm

Former Alabama standout DJ Hall arrested on drug charges
Published: Thursday, October 07, 2010, 10:50 AM Updated: Thursday, October 07, 2010, 10:56 AM
By The Birmingham News

The Tuscaloosa News is reporting that former University of Alabama star wide receiver DJ Hall was arrested Wednesday and charged with first-degree possession of marijuana and possession of a controlled substance.
Hall and former UA walk-on Darwin Salaam, both 24, were arrested at a Tuscaloosa hotel and later released on bail.

bmix4u

January 6th, 2011
1:00 pm

Loves the NCAA is clearly onto something. Finally, someone is focused on the rules!

Got Crack Bama?

January 6th, 2011
1:03 pm

In Alabama, cheating is as much a part of the football lore as the houndstooth hat worn by Bear Bryant and that purty dress worn by Mike DuBose’s secretary.

Alabama has seen it all over the last 20 years. Shady loans. Athletes illicitly accepting cash payments from agents and boosters. Multiple probations. Postseason bans. Scholarship reductions. Lack of institutional control. You name it, the Crimson Tide has done it.

Welcome to Alabama, where the NCAA probations are nearly as prevalent as national championships. Actually, in the last decade, Alabama has recorded more NCAA probations (three) than it has national titles (one).

It should also be noted that the iconic Bear Bryant may not have ever been caught cheating himself, but he tutored some of college football’s biggest outlaws.. Charley Pell, Pat Dye, Danny Ford and Jackie Sherrill all were Bear disciples who went on to provide some of the most unique interpretations of the NCAA rulebook in the history of college football.

Roll Tide?

Alabama’s rallying cry should be, “We Lied!”

And maybe, too, Alabama should get rid of its elephant mascot and replace it with a pig.

What better animal to symbolize the dirtiest, stinkiest program in recent NCAA history.

Delbert D.

January 6th, 2011
1:03 pm

Bama – I read the article in the link you provided, and the Brooks story was a sad one. When it’s put in context of the educational system, it is a model of failure, but also abuse in the case of the University.

Disabilities can take strange forms. The great Danish physicist Niels Bohr had great difficulty writing. He had trouble focusing on what he was thinking and putting it in writing. His brother, and later his wife took dictation for almost all of his professional work.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
1:06 pm

Fortunately for those who actually like to participate in discussion, the troll stepped over the line earlier this morning with a homophobic username. I have notified the proper folks and it will be banned shortly.

Herchel Talker

January 6th, 2011
1:12 pm

Fire Paul Johnson!!

anon

January 6th, 2011
1:15 pm

There is a rule that addresses the Cam Newton situation If a person affiliated with a recruit offers to have them sign in return for any thing of value, then the recruit is ineligible. Cam Newton’s father offered to have him sign for money, therefore Cam is ineligible.

The rule DOES NOT require the offer to be taken up or the student to have signed, the OFFER is the violation and requires the punishment.

Lambert

January 6th, 2011
1:16 pm

Bama Dude,

I was with you until you you then decided to go the weather route. Plenty of great, talented football players have come from the north. North Carolina is a “warm” state with basically the exact same population as Georgia and they don’t even sniff Georgia’s jock in talent production. And if you think population is that important, then regardless of the temperature New York, New Jersey, Illinois, Michigan and Ohio should still be leaps and bounds better than Georgia in talent production.

You have no argument.

how2fish

January 6th, 2011
1:16 pm

BAMA dude congrats on Greg McElroy being awarded an NCAA Top VIII that is a great honor for by all accounts a fine young scholar athlete. Congrats to Greg and the Roll Tide Nation.

how2fish

January 6th, 2011
1:18 pm

Herchel Talker your fired you Troll clean out your cube !

Bill in Pa

January 6th, 2011
1:19 pm

I’m not interested in the Pryor / Newton comparison. I’m interested in the Reggie Bush / Cam Newton comparison. Why should current USC players that were in Middle School in 2005 be punished for what others did?
Matt Barkley gets punished for what the Reggie Bush family did, while Cam Newton gets rewarded with a Heisman.
Pryor and the Fab5 are suspended for 5 games in 2011. No biggie. 5 Game suspension is a sexual assault in the NFL and with good behavior it can be knocked down to 3 games. I see Pryor and the Fab5 have decent/good behavior the past 2 years AFTER the incident. Decent Grades, no arrests, no throwing people out bar windows, no DUI’s…. I see good behavior…. Lets see the corrupt NCAA defend that.

Tell the truth

January 6th, 2011
1:23 pm

Tell us more about Awbarn’s seven make that 7 major rules violation probations- second in the nation behind SMU. Tell us more about those please. And Lowder and Ramsey and Brooks and bailing from a game with FSU. Oh the list goes on and on. Classlessness personified!!! How very proud you all must be. The entire nation(other than Awbarn and the NCAA and Mike Slive and Barnhart) will be pulling for Oregon next Monday night.

Sherman

January 6th, 2011
1:23 pm

homophobic? Bama dude….seriously…tell me you are joking….

Got Crack Bama?

January 6th, 2011
1:24 pm

Alabama has seen it all over the last 20 years. Shady loans. Athletes illicitly accepting cash payments from agents and boosters. Multiple probations. Postseason bans. Scholarship reductions. Lack of institutional control. You name it, the Crimson Tide has done it.

Welcome to Alabama, where the NCAA probations are nearly as prevalent as national championships. Actually, in the last decade, Alabama has recorded more NCAA probations (three) than it has national titles (one).

It should also be noted that the iconic Bear Bryant may not have ever been caught cheating himself, but he tutored some of college football’s biggest outlaws.. Charley Pell, Pat Dye, Danny Ford and Jackie Sherrill all were Bear disciples who went on to provide some of the most unique interpretations of the NCAA rulebook in the history of college football.

Roll Tide?

Alabama’s rallying cry should be, “We Lied!”

And maybe, too, Alabama should get rid of its elephant mascot and replace it with a pig.

What better animal to symbolize the dirtiest, stinkiest program in recent NCAA history.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
1:26 pm

Lambert, every single year California, Texas, and Florida produce the most talent. Ohio produces a lot too and the Buckeyes eat most of it up (of course we pulled Trey DePriest right out of their back yard this year.) Of course, the bulk of that talent is from the Cincy area which is just about a southern climate. Sorry, but kids growing up in NYC and Chicago are spending more time on sports that can be played on pavement i.e. basketball than they are football or baseball, and those two cities drive those states’ population numbers. That’s reality.

bmix4u

January 6th, 2011
1:26 pm

Anon makes my point about the wackiness of NCAA rules. The seriousness of the charge merits a punishment. What Anon writes is like proposing to a woman, she says no, but she still gets half the house and an alimony check.

Got Crack Bama?

January 6th, 2011
1:27 pm

No violations in almost 20 years Truth. In that same time frame Bama has been put on probation 3 times, vacated victories twice, and almost received the Death Penalty. Dirtiest program of the last two decades, no question about it.

Joe Bob Thibodaux

January 6th, 2011
1:27 pm

Bill in Pa

Life isn’t fair. Yes, the USC coach moves to the NFL while leaving Lane Kiffen with the baggage. The difference is that the Bush family got $200,000 appartment paid for them. Cecil Newton didn’t even get any yellow wood for his church. Its inexcusable for Kiffen to even get a job after the job he did on Tennessee, but life just isn’t fair.

Gen Neyland

January 6th, 2011
1:28 pm

Ain’t it great the NCAA and the osu are in bed together..? What an enforcer we have in the strong-arm NCAA when it comes to ’special consideration’…Makes me sick that the game I love has an overseer that has become a pick and choose judgement mentality.

Got Crack Bama?

January 6th, 2011
1:30 pm

NASHVILLE, Tenn. — An Alabama booster convicted of bribing a high school football coach to get a top recruit for the Crimson Tide was found dead Tuesday in his Memphis home, and police were investigating it as a homicide.

Police hadn’t yet confirmed the body was that of Logan Young, but his defense attorney said it was the Alabama booster.

“We’re treating it as a mystery homicide,” Sgt. Vince Higgins said in a telephone interview.

He said officials assume the victim was Young but needed to use fingerprints and dental records to confirm the identity.

“Suffice it to say, there was quite a physical struggle in this and this individual was injured severely,” he said.

Nashville defense attorney Jim Neal said he had been told the body was found by a housekeeper.

“I’ve had two or three calls about it, all to the same end, found killed in his home. … I heard that there was blood everywhere. That is all I know,” Neal said.

Higgins said Young’s housekeeper found the body after she arrived for work this morning. The body had not been removed from the house and no family members immediately arrived at the house.

The 65-year-old Young was convicted under federal law of money laundering and racketeering conspiracy in the case involving the peddling of defensive lineman Albert Means.

Young was sentenced last June to six months in prison and six months home confinement then two years supervised release. But he had been allowed to remain free pending his appeal.

His attorneys had argued Young needed a kidney transplant and could not get proper medical care in prison.

Former high school coach Lynn Lang, who avoided jail time after pleading guilty to taking part in a racketeering conspiracy, testified against Young, saying the booster paid $150,000 to get Means to sign with Alabama in 2000.

Gen Neyland

January 6th, 2011
1:30 pm

Joe Bob : Who’s this Kiffin fellow we’ve forgotten about Atop Rocky..?

Got Crack Bama?

January 6th, 2011
1:31 pm

I’ve had two or three calls about it, all to the same end, found killed in his home. … I heard that there was blood everywhere. That is all I know,” Neal said.

Most unusual……

Got Crack Bama?

January 6th, 2011
1:32 pm

Still think it was an accident Bama Dude?

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
1:32 pm

Gen Neyland, you really think it was pick-and-choose? I just don’t see it. Five games is a stiff punishment whenever it’s served.

number cruncher

January 6th, 2011
1:33 pm

Tony is just plain wrong. Cecil Newton asking for money for his son to play at MSU was a clear violation of NCAA rules.

NCAA rules (Bylaw 12.3.3) do not allow individuals or entities to represent a prospective student-athlete for compensation to a school for an athletic scholarship.

It does not matter whether he received money.
It does not matter that Cam did not attend MSU.

This was a clear violation. Period.

Got Crack Bama?

January 6th, 2011
1:35 pm

Alabama slammer

NCAA puts Tide on 5-year probation, 2-year bowl ban

Posted: Friday February 01, 2002 2:05 PM
Updated: Friday February 01, 2002 8:48 PM

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TUSCALOOSA, Ala. (AP) — The NCAA placed Alabama on five years’ probation Friday, jolting the program Bear Bryant built into a power with a two-year bowl ban and heavy scholarship reductions.

The governing body said it considered giving the Crimson Tide the most severe punishment — the death penalty — under the repeat violator rules for a recruiting scandal in which boosters were accused of paying money for high school players.

“They were absolutely staring down the barrel of a gun,” said Thomas Yeager, chairman of the infractions committee.

“These violations are some of the worst, most serious that have ever occurred,” he said.

Delbert D.

January 6th, 2011
1:35 pm

“Alabama has seen it all over the last 20 years. Shady loans. Athletes illicitly accepting cash payments from agents and boosters. Multiple probations. Postseason bans. Scholarship reductions. Lack of institutional control.”

Isn’t that partial quote be true for *both* SEC schools in the state? I’m not a close follower of either school, but the back-and-forth comments seem to indicate a problem with boosters with a lot of money to throw around.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
1:35 pm

NCAA rules (Bylaw 12.3.3) do not allow individuals or entities to represent a prospective student-athlete for compensation to a school for an athletic scholarship.

If Cam didn’t know, how could he possibly have compensated Cecil for representing him? You do realize that’s what the language is referring to, right? Representation in exchange for compensation for said representation?

ARdawg

January 6th, 2011
1:37 pm

Bama dude

Do you want to field this question? Didn’t think so

Bill in Pa

January 6th, 2011
1:19 pm

I’m not interested in the Pryor / Newton comparison. I’m interested in the Reggie Bush / Cam Newton comparison. Why should current USC players that were in Middle School in 2005 be punished for what others did?
Matt Barkley gets punished for what the Reggie Bush family did, while Cam Newton gets rewarded with a Heisman.
Pryor and the Fab5 are suspended for 5 games in 2011. No biggie. 5 Game suspension is a sexual assault in the NFL and with good behavior it can be knocked down to 3 games. I see Pryor and the Fab5 have decent/good behavior the past 2 years AFTER the incident. Decent Grades, no arrests, no throwing people out bar windows, no DUI’s…. I see good behavior…. Lets see the corrupt NCAA defend that.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
1:37 pm

Delbert, don’t bother. This fool keeps reposting the same garbage over and over. Classic obsession.

Joe Bob Thibodaux

January 6th, 2011
1:37 pm

Gen Neyland

Hello General: You are kidding me of course, but this Kiffin fellow is the successor for Pete “Peckerwood” Carroll.

With all these revelations about Bama on this blog, I probably should just read from the sidelines and watch what unfolds.

Tell the truth

January 6th, 2011
1:37 pm

I don’t think any other school(maybe ND) would have been given the deferral until next year except OSU. I suspect that they made a huge fuss over Newton and after all they are THE OSU. I believe the timing does matter and believe that they should have sat the bowl game.

Got Crack Bama?

January 6th, 2011
1:39 pm

BAMA dude

Your an idiot

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
1:40 pm

ARDawg, Reggie Bush’s parents actually, y’know, GOT something. Let me say this again.

THE NCAA HAS NEVER SUSPENDED AN ATHLETE, IN ITS HISTORY, UNLESS THERE WAS EVIDENCE OF IMPROPER BENEFITS ACTUALLY RECEIVED BY SOMEONE.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
1:41 pm

JBT, there aren’t any revelations about Bama. That stuff is old news.

Top Recruit

January 6th, 2011
1:41 pm

Whatever. It is what it is. If we only get CMR to talk more intelligently and with more confidence or not at all.

GT

January 6th, 2011
1:41 pm

When the shoe is on the other foot these same fans will be the ones digging to make whatever offense mountains above what it really is. All this cheating didn’t make a player like Cam Newton or Pryor play better and they play pretty darn good. If you are beat by a college age kid that is just better than you are let that be the story. I am not even sure Cam Newton has done anything, but watching a human being play like that is a treat, just like Walker at Georgia. You think Cam Newton worries about an opponents pedigree when he is playing against him? I think he would be shocked and entertained by seeing someone better than himself.

Tell the truth

January 6th, 2011
1:41 pm

The “punishing innocent players” argument does not hold water. You still punish the ones who are still around next year with the loss of the fab 5. Of course maybe you should just wait until all of the current players have used up all eligibility and then punish the new dudes.

Delbert D.

January 6th, 2011
1:42 pm

Bama Dude – Good advice. I’ll drop out of this topic. Lexapro may help with his obsession, if that’s what it is.

Joe Bob Thibodaux

January 6th, 2011
1:44 pm

Haaaa!

You fellas got me.

Haaaa!

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
1:44 pm

Tell the truth

January 6th, 2011
1:41 pm
The “punishing innocent players” argument does not hold water. You still punish the ones who are still around next year with the loss of the fab 5. Of course maybe you should just wait until all of the current players have used up all eligibility and then punish the new dudes.

By serving at the beginning of the year, the replacement starters will be able to practice in the offseason to prepare for the expanded role they will have. Completely different than losing your top QB, RB, and WR and having to replace on the fly.

Tell the truth

January 6th, 2011
1:51 pm

The whole team still loses the participation of the fab 5 for 5 games next year. The deferral of the games beyond the bowl game to next year is ludicrous. And the argument that OSU made that the players did not know that what they did was wrong is even more ludicrous. And that they(OSU) did not tell them in a sufficient manner. Parsing words/ straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel. Pure bogusosity. More likely- that little white speck that the chicken farmer earlier referred to.

ARdawg

January 6th, 2011
1:52 pm

Bama dude

No I was referring to the part as to “why” USC players who were in middle school when Reggie and his folks received benefits have to be punished

Tifton man

January 6th, 2011
1:54 pm

@bama dude,

Lambert pretty much just ate your lunch. He nailed you with the NC comparison, not to mention the fact that every other state he listed has AT LEAST the same advantage as Georgia does over Alabama in population.

Tifton man

January 6th, 2011
1:54 pm

And don’t forget Virgina. Another state with nearly the same population as Georgia but with far less upper tier talent.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
1:56 pm

Well, ARDawg, it’s because at USC, the institution itself committed the violation of “lack of institutional control.” In the Cam scenario, based on current evidence, the Barn has done nothing wrong. Unfortunately you can’t help punishing innocent players when the institution itself is at fault. When the institution follows protocol, and it’s just a few players who make themselves ineligible by their own independent actions, then you can.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
1:57 pm

Tifton Man, wtf are you talking about? And again, why do I care about the quality of high school football in Alabama or anywhere else? I’m concerned about the kids who put on that Crimson jersey and how they compare to the kids who put on those of rival programs. That’s all.

Got Crack Bama?

January 6th, 2011
2:04 pm

Alabama slammer

NCAA puts Tide on 5-year probation, 2-year bowl ban

Posted: Friday February 01, 2002 2:05 PM
Updated: Friday February 01, 2002 8:48 PM

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The governing body said it considered giving the Crimson Tide the most severe punishment — the death penalty — under the repeat violator rules for a recruiting scandal in which boosters were accused of paying money for high school players.

“They were absolutely staring down the barrel of a gun,” said Thomas Yeager, chairman of the infractions committee.

“These violations are some of the worst, most serious that have ever occurred,” he said.

ARdawg

January 6th, 2011
2:10 pm

Bama dude

You can’t have it both ways there Dogg. When any player violates the NCAA rules there is always “lack of institutional control”. The school did not control the situation. It is up to the institution and the program to insure there are no infractions. When a single player or a single coach violates the school and the program is punished. There’s 6 ways to Sunday to look at and interpret but, that is the bottom line. Except for some reason “this year” has been an exception and then only with select players and teams

Got Crack Bama?

January 6th, 2011
2:14 pm

Alabama players have been involved in a series of arrests and off-the-field suspensions, with Saban acknowledging the need for better discipline and judgment earlier this year after two players were arrested within days of each other.
police began getting tips that Johns was involved in drug sales. Alabama was conducting spring football practice around the same time.

Undercover officers purchased cocaine from Johns five times in the last 1½ weeks, Snyder said, and they arrested him at a gas station near his off-campus apartment, where he lived alone.

Authorities who searched the apartment found about 10 grams of cocaine and ecstasy pills. Johns was charged with distributing cocaine and possessing the pills, Snyder said.

Snyder said Johns didn’t use his status as a football player to solicit business, but being a member of the Crimson Tide didn’t hurt, either.

“He was popular. A lot of people knew him,” he said.

Snyder said officers purchased drugs twice from Johns at the player’s apartment, once near campus and twice at the university.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
2:15 pm

ARdawg

January 6th, 2011
2:10 pm
Bama dude

You can’t have it both ways there Dogg. When any player violates the NCAA rules there is always “lack of institutional control”.

You clearly need to brush up on NCAA rules if you want to have this debate. Player eligibility and institutional issues aren’t even the same committee. The reason USC was complicit while tOSU wasn’t is that the NCAA found a “look-the-other-way” culture at USC that allowed agents to have free run of the football program. Completely different than AJ or Pryor selling their stuff unbeknownst to the school.

Tifton man

January 6th, 2011
2:15 pm

Bama dude,

why are you so angry and bitter? I made my thoughts pretty clear. What exactly didn’t you understand?

Got Crack Bama?

January 6th, 2011
2:16 pm

ST. PETERSBURG, Florida — Former Tampa Bay Buccaneers first-round draft pick and Mobile, Alabama, native Keith McCants has been arrested in St. Petersburg and charged with possession of crack cocaine.
The 42-year-old McCants and a woman were stopped by police. Police say he pulled out of a strip club parking lot early Wednesday without stopping first.
Police spokesman Mike Puetz said officers saw a crack pipe in the center console of McCant’s SUV and found one piece of crack cocaine in the woman’s purse. Both were arrested.
The linebacker and defensive end was the fourth overall pick in the 1990 NFL Draft but was cut after three seasons. He was arrested on drug-related charges in Mobile, Ala., in May and June.
McCants was in jail Wednesday. Jail records listed no attorney information.
In June, McCants was arrested in Mobile on a charge of use and possession of drug paraphernalia, Mobile police said. It was at least the fourth arrest in less than a year for the former defensive player who starred at Murphy High School, then the University of Alabama before turning professional.

xancy

January 6th, 2011
2:17 pm

Bama dude has become the board punching bag it would seem

Good grief

January 6th, 2011
2:20 pm

As a UGA fan I don’t want to hear stories of what former players have done well after they left school. Now if they are actual graduates that they may be relevant, but the 1-3 year rent-a-player stuff that committed a crime 20 years later should be left out. I believe we had a player under Donnon’s watch that murdered somebody in Louisiana last year. So let’s keep it with what they did while in their respective schools.

DC

January 6th, 2011
2:21 pm

Man you spammers are having fun with bama dude today..dont think he deserves all that hate..

Got Crack Bama?

January 6th, 2011
2:21 pm

Just to put this in perspective: Jimmy Johns was arrested for distributing cocaine WHILE he played for the University Of Alabama! One of the star defensive players was a COCAINE DEALER!!! Still got that moral high ground Bama Dude (The Homo)????

m

January 6th, 2011
2:21 pm

How is the greatest (sic) conference in the history of the world just 3-4 in the bowl games and 0-2 with the ACC?????

sec=the all hype conference.

Got Crack Bama?

January 6th, 2011
2:23 pm

The governing body said it considered giving the Crimson Tide the most severe punishment — the death penalty — under the repeat violator rules for a recruiting scandal in which boosters were accused of paying money for high school players.

“They were absolutely staring down the barrel of a gun,” said Thomas Yeager, chairman of the infractions committee.

“These violations are some of the worst, most serious that have ever occurred,” he said.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
2:23 pm

Angry and bitter? Me? Ha. I never knew what the original point was anywhere. The post that started the whole debate was essentially, “Well, UGA may stink right now but… but… Bama has to steal our players or they couldn’t beat us!” The whole conversation was a waste of time, frankly.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
2:24 pm

Got Crack Bama?

January 6th, 2011
2:25 pm

Hey “Good Grief” Jimmy Johns was ON THE TEAM when he was arrested!!! How many other crack dealers played for the Tide?

ARdawg

January 6th, 2011
2:26 pm

Bama dude

Any and all infractions are the responsibility of the institution. Most universities have entire departments that do nothing else but insure that all NCAA rules and university policies are adhered to. You perhaps should do the reading up. Player eligilbility or ineligibility is determined by the university, not the NCAA. They only make rulings after the investigations and punish the university accordingly

Paul in RDU

January 6th, 2011
2:26 pm

ARDawg
OSU’s defense of the 5 players (”they were not adequately educated about the rules”) is practically an admission of “lack of institutional control” – especially when you consider that OSU claims that the players were adequately educated after November 2009. The 5 players (and possibly OSU) were obviously trying to get away with it.

Got Crack Bama?

January 6th, 2011
2:27 pm

Bama dude just needs an 8-ball and a happy meal and it will be all good…..

ARdawg

January 6th, 2011
2:29 pm

Paul in RDU

They did get away with it. I have no doubt if OSU were playing in a no-name bowl game. The suspensions would have started immediately after the ruling, as was the situation in AJ Green’s case

Got Crack Bama?

January 6th, 2011
2:32 pm

The Alabama football program continued a dubious streak Thursday night. Nick Saban is about to start his fourth season as head coach, and the Crimson Tide had a player suspended for NCAA transgressions for the fourth straight year.
It’ll take more time to research, but this could be some kind of record.
Marcell Dareus is headed to the penalty box this time. The defensive end from Huffman High School has been hit with a two-game suspension for what the press release said were “violations of NCAA preferential treatment and agent benefits rules.”
If you’re keeping score at home – or at the NCAA home office in Indianapolis – that makes eight Alabama players suspended for a variety of NCAA-related issues during the Saban era.
In 2007, his first season, five players were suspended for four games each for impermissible textbook charges. The Textbook Five were Glen Coffee, Antoine Caldwell, Marlon Davis, Marquis Johnson and Chris Rogers.
In other words, not a bunch of walk-ons.
That situation was part of a larger infractions case that involved 201 Alabama athletes in 16 sports and earned the program three years of NCAA probation. It also cost Saban five wins from that season that Alabama was forced to vacate, even though he inherited those players and that problem.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
2:33 pm

ARdawg

January 6th, 2011
2:26 pm
Bama dude

Any and all infractions are the responsibility of the institution. Most universities have entire departments that do nothing else but insure that all NCAA rules and university policies are adhered to.

That is simply not true. They don’t hold universities accountable for things they shoudn’t reasonably have known, nor should they. And you’re half right about the eligiblity procedure. As soon as the school finds a potential eligibility problem, procedure is to suspend the player then apply for reinstatement from the NCAA. The NCAA will look at the current evidence and make their ruling. If a university follows protocol, like UGA did, then they will receive zero punishment. To Paul’s point, could it be that tOSU committed a violation? Sure. At this point that hasn’t been ruled on one way or another. It could be that they end up vacating their whole 2010 season, who knows? But for now, the individual player eligibility issue is the only one that;s been dealt with.

Got Crack Bama?

January 6th, 2011
2:33 pm

f you’re keeping score at home – or at the NCAA home office in Indianapolis – that makes eight Alabama players suspended for a variety of NCAA-related issues during the Saban era.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
2:34 pm

ARdawg

January 6th, 2011
2:29 pm
Paul in RDU

They did get away with it. I have no doubt if OSU were playing in a no-name bowl game.

You believing it doesn’t make it so.

Jimmy Johns

January 6th, 2011
2:39 pm

They searched my pockets after I was arrested and couldn’t find any cash. Therefore the “alleged” Cocaine sales were ruled null and void. I was, however, put on top secret probation for 24 hours.

Good grief

January 6th, 2011
2:42 pm

Bama dude,

Well at least be honest, Bama does have to steal other states’ kids. Otherwise they couldn’t even field a team given the lack of talent that state produces each and every year.

ARdawg

January 6th, 2011
2:42 pm

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
2:34 pm

They did get away with it. I have no doubt if OSU were playing in a no-name bowl game.

You believing it doesn’t make it so.

We’ll never know, will we?

n

January 6th, 2011
2:44 pm

GT is the best!! We own you pups at every thing!!! Inteligenec, sports, women, fashion, you name it!!!

THWG!!!

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
2:46 pm

Good grief

January 6th, 2011
2:42 pm
Bama dude,

Well at least be honest, Bama does have to steal other states’ kids. Otherwise they couldn’t even field a team given the lack of talent that state produces each and every year.

Well, the “not fielding a team” bit is a little much but no question that they wouldn’t compete on the national stage with just in-state talent. So what? Last I checked none of Matthew Stafford, AJ Green, Aaron Murray, or Knowshon Moreno came from Georgia. Just seems like a silly conversation.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
2:46 pm

ARDawg, like most conspiracy theories, it will never be proven.

Good grief

January 6th, 2011
2:47 pm

Oddly enough I actually have to agree with ARdawg for once. Of course OSU got away with it. Two SEC players who did substantially less were dealt with immediately, while OSU got to play their 6 “suspended” players in perhaps their biggest bowl game in 7 years.

So they absolutely got away with it and then some

monkey says

January 6th, 2011
2:47 pm

Bama Dude…

You cannot argue with these morons, you have a guy who spends his entire day cutting and pasting old articles about Alabama players who are not part of the Saban game plan, and have been out of the program for years. The intelligence level is not worth arguing with. Arguing high school football players committing to Alabama, populations of each state, NCAA violations on what various group is responsible for investigations, compliance, adminstration of penalites, appeals is something these folks only read what is music to their ears.
You have Auburn folks who think because the eligibility committee rules one thing the enforcement side is not involved with an ongoing investigation. The funny thing is UGA fans never want to be compared to Florida when it comes to population, recruiting players, and wins head to head annually. The best players on UGA’s squads have all come from South Carolina, North Carolina, Texas and Florida. Green, Stafford, Moreno were not from Georgia.
It is not worth your time or breath my brother.

Buckeye

January 6th, 2011
2:49 pm

AR Dawg,

A no name bowl such as the Liberty Bowl?

Good grief

January 6th, 2011
2:51 pm

Bama dude,

If I followed the threads right, I believe you were asked if you would give up all of your out of state talent from over the years if it meant you got to keep every instate kid that you wanted. The UGA fan that proposed that to you said he would gladly give up every out of state player they have ever received if they could do the same. Pretty interesting hypothetical and I would be curious to hear (read) your response.

monkey says

January 6th, 2011
2:51 pm

Anyone can sit here and type Jan Kemp, and all the arrest at UGA, Damon Evans, Joe Cribbs, Eric Ramsey, all day but grown ups have real jobs and are mature enough to walk away from losers and posers.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
2:52 pm

tOSU didn’t get away with anything any more than UGA was punished. Neither happened.

Paul in RDU

January 6th, 2011
2:53 pm

BAMA Dude
I think that the key issues in the OSU case aer going to be when did the school know about the players violations – and when did the players “fess up”.
The “I didn’t know” defense seems to be popular at the moment. Up here in the Triangle we have a HC who didn’t know that his HS son’s tutor was helping out football players with assignments, that his Assistant HC had close financial ties to an agent, that what the NCAA classified as an agent (indeed the guy who bought AJ Green’s jersey) had free run of the weight training room. Right now it looks like Butch is going to skate.

monkey says

January 6th, 2011
2:54 pm

Jimmy Johns

January 6th, 2011
2:55 pm

If everybody would just keep their big traps shut about all this stuff, then the SEC and the NCAA will be more than happy to sweep it all under the rug and we won’t have to be bothered with it any more.

Damned Snitches!

ARdawg

January 6th, 2011
2:55 pm

Buckeye….exactly

Bama dude, Wrong again. You’re on a roll (pun intended) there

monkey says

January 6th, 2011
2:55 pm

Two Georgia football players went to the hospital with injuries early Saturday after a brawl at a downtown club, and other players may have been involved in the fight, according to police.

Bulldogs Donavon Baldwin and Marcus Dowtin apparently were hit in the head with bottles in the early-morning dust-up, which broke out of a crowded scene inside the Clayton Street bar The Library, Athens-Clarke police said.

At least two other Georgia players accompanied their injured teammates to St. Mary’s Hospital – along with former Bulldog Michael Lemon, who later was arrested outside the hospital for underage possession of alcohol. Police haven’t identified any other players involved in the bar fight, however.

Police don’t know how the fight started, who else was involved, or who may have assaulted Baldwin or Dowtin, though a club security guard told police that several UGA players had fought, said Athens-Clarke police Capt. Clarence Holeman.

No arrests have been made in connection with the brawl, though the team suspended Baldwin indefinitely Saturday night.

Officers found a crowded scene when they responded to a 1:45 a.m. call from bar employees – the sidewalk outside the Clayton Street club already was packed with people, and more began flooding out when the bar closed at 2 a.m., Holeman said.

Officers didn’t see Baldwin and Dowtin at the club and didn’t know they were hurt until St. Mary’s employees called soon after to report the injuries to police, as they’re required to do, Holeman said.

At the time, the officers’ main concern, and that of the club owners, was to break up the fight and disperse the crowd, he said.

Baldwin, a junior free safety who faces a one-game suspension for a DUI arrest in January, told an officer at the hospital that he didn’t see who threw the bottle that cut his neck and ear, according to police.

Dowtin, a freshman linebacker, told the officer he fell, but earlier had told a nurse he was hit in the mouth with a bottle, according to the officer’s report.

Investigators now will have to piece together the night’s events. They’re hoping someone will come forward with information, Holeman said.

“That’s something we’re going to have to back-track,” he said. “There’s an aggravated assault that happened to (Baldwin), so the case will be followed up.”

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
2:56 pm

Good grief

January 6th, 2011
2:51 pm
Bama dude,

If I followed the threads right, I believe you were asked if you would give up all of your out of state talent from over the years if it meant you got to keep every instate kid that you wanted.

Well, considering you only get 25 schollys a year, I would think you’d have to take that on a year by year basis. But I would think that anyone outside of those “big three” states would probably prefer to recruit nationally vs. take what they can get from home. Easier to find 25 top notch kids in the other 49 states than in just yours, I think.

Contractor

January 6th, 2011
2:56 pm

I agree with the analysis that one had money actually changing hands, and the other was the idea of money changing hands. College athletes know not to take money or gifts well before they come to college, so a proclaimed high standard of academics school like Ohio State shouldn’t try to claim they didn’t warn their athletes, and that they didn’t know any better. Ever heard of Reggie Bush or Florida State in the late 90’s? They were well aware of this rule.. You’re gonna tell me Ohio State has never told athletes before this year that taking money and gifts was illegal for college athletes? Please.

My questions to anyone who cares to answer is…What if Cecil Newton accepted money and Cameron “didn’t know anything about it”, like they said Cameron didn’t know anything about the initial solicitation of money? I think he knew, but that’s my opinion. But does the legal circumstances still fall on the player if his family is dirty behind the scenes and he doesn’t know anything about it?

Good grief

January 6th, 2011
2:57 pm

Best players on UGA’s teams over the years have all been from Georgia. Tarkenton, Walker, Belue, Scott, Hearst, Ward, Edwards brothers, Bailey brothers, Thomas Davis, Greg Blue, Stinchcomb brothers, our long string of kickers, etc.

So try again please

monkey says

January 6th, 2011
2:58 pm

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CANTON, Ga. (AP) – Cherokee County authorities say a University
of Georgia football player is among those charged in an assault
against two teenagers near Lake Allatoona.
The Cherokee County Sheriff’s Office issued a release today
saying that the U-G-A player — 20-year-old Paul Taylor — is
charged with simple assault and is expected to turn himself in
today.
Charged with aggravated battery and battery is 19-year-old Shane
McCleskey, who plays football at Murray State University in
Kentucky. McCleskey is free on 28-thousand dollars bond after his
arrest on Saturday.
Both players are from Woodstock.
The attack occurred May 25th. Authorities say a 16-year-old
sustained an injury to the eye; a 17-year-old sustained

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
2:59 pm

Paul in RDU

January 6th, 2011
2:53 pm
BAMA Dude
I think that the key issues in the OSU case aer going to be when did the school know about the players violations – and when did the players “fess up”.

That is absolutely correct. If the school had knowledge and played them anyway then, as Keith Jackson would say, Whoa, Nellie! But for now tOSU hasn’t been accused of a thing as far as I know. And ARDawg, UGA the institution was not punished.

Good grief

January 6th, 2011
2:59 pm

Bama dude,

So you in other words you wouldn’t agree to his terms? I would.

The Karl Childers

January 6th, 2011
2:59 pm

Barnhart stated on the radio that NCAA suspends jersey (etc.) sellers for 30% of the season according to their bylaws. If that’s their formula and, essentially, the 2010 season is 100% over then they would be compelled to hand down the suspensions during a full season would they not?

monkey says

January 6th, 2011
2:59 pm

In recent years….dummy…..you are going old school and anyone could pull that rabbit…

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
3:01 pm

Good grief

January 6th, 2011
2:57 pm
Best players on UGA’s teams over the years have all been from Georgia. Tarkenton, Walker, Belue, Scott, Hearst, Ward, Edwards brothers, Bailey brothers, Thomas Davis, Greg Blue, Stinchcomb brothers, our long string of kickers, etc.

So try again please

Let’s talk in terms of the BCS era since, y’know, that TV money changed college football at its very core. And am I missing something? Do UGA fans take pride in where their recruits played high school ball? I never cared one way or the other.

Cam

January 6th, 2011
3:02 pm

Ain’t nothin fallin on me, cause I’ll be in the NFL in just a few more weeks.

Suckers!

monkey says

January 6th, 2011
3:02 pm

UGA has no recent BCS history without Stafford, Moreno and Green

Cam

January 6th, 2011
3:08 pm

I would have stayed in Georgia, but Daddy said the money was just too much.

Cam

January 6th, 2011
3:10 pm

Auburn’s more like West Georgia than Alabama anyway.

Good grief

January 6th, 2011
3:12 pm

Ok, BCS era would be Musa Smith, T. Edwards, B. Bailey, Fred Gibson, John Stinchcomb and oh yeah, that David Green fella and his buddy David Pollack. Just to name a few.

Still waiting for your answer Bama Dude……

DC

January 6th, 2011
3:13 pm

Sorry “Cam” your jokes are flat…should have tried those jokes 2 months ago…would have been “funnier”…

McDawg

January 6th, 2011
3:13 pm

what about the part that says Auburn is running a criminal enterprise out of the Athletics Department-at least that is what the Bama blogs say

Good grief

January 6th, 2011
3:13 pm

monkey,

The BCS is only 12 years old. It’s all pretty recent relatively speaking.

Seriously

January 6th, 2011
3:15 pm

All of these UGA fans have their panties (red) in a wad. They’re pathetic, sore losers.

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Nance

January 6th, 2011
3:19 pm

Bama dude is dancing all around your question. Of course he wouldn’t agree to that because he knows good and well his school’s home state doesn’t produce sh*t compared to Georgia!!!!

Nance

January 6th, 2011
3:24 pm

@ Buckeye,

If we only had to play essentially one real game a year too we’d probably be in a BCS game annually as well. But unfortunately we play in a real conference that isn’t propped up by a biased media and myths.

monkey says

January 6th, 2011
3:24 pm

Good Grief…it is 2011,,get in the BCS era.

jordan

January 6th, 2011
3:26 pm

the only comparisons that really matter are the two SEC players that had the book thrown at them immediately for doing far less than what the OSU guys did. Even UNC’s players were hammered immediately. The double-standard here is beyond obvious.

Got Crack Bama? Monkey Says Edition

January 6th, 2011
3:29 pm

Hey monkey do all your recent arrests count towards next year’s Fulmer Cup, since you already had this year’s locked up?

Got Crack Bama? Monkey Says Edition

January 6th, 2011
3:30 pm

Hey smirking chimp when was the last time thUGA went undefeated? That’s what I thought… move along scrub!!

Cam

January 6th, 2011
3:32 pm

Nance,

You got a valid point. Georgia does produce a lot of sh*t. You ever smell that stank down around College Park?

Got Crack Bama? Monkey Says Edition

January 6th, 2011
3:32 pm

Another UGA arrest all but clinches the uncoveted Fulmer Cup
9:30 am August 27, 2010, by Mark Bradley

Many of you are aware of something known as the Fulmer Cup. It was the brainchild of Spencer Hall, the man behind the Gator-friendly site EDSBS. (Stands for “Every Day Should Be Saturday.” And here’s a fun fact: Hall got his start posting under the nom de blog “Orson Swindle.”)

The Fulmer Cup was named, duh, after Phillip Fulmer, whose Tennessee player had a knack for getting arrested over the offseason. (The regrettable K-Town tradition has continued under his successors, it must be noted.) Just the other day, EDSBS posted a little item titled, “The Fulmer Cup: The Big Board Enters the Lightning Round.”

According to that post, dated Aug. 24, Georgia and Minnesota were tied atop the Fulmer Cup standings with 10 days left in the offseason. As of 5:22 a.m. this morning, the Bulldogs forged ahead.

As esteemed colleague Tim Tucker has reported, tailback Washaun Ealey was arrested for hit-and-run regarding a parked vehicle, and also for that Bulldog staple “driving with a suspended license.” This brings the Bulldog total of offseason arrests to eight, not counting Damon Evans. (Although Fulmer Cup standings are flexible enough to accommodate an athletic director.)

Score Check

January 6th, 2011
3:33 pm

The rulings do have one thing in common.

Neither one passes the Smell Test

Cam

January 6th, 2011
3:34 pm

College Park don’t pass it neither!

Tell the truth

January 6th, 2011
3:35 pm

Got Crack Bama? Why didn’t you print this part of the article. Yo really are a piece of scum.

Johns, who moved to defense for his senior year after playing running back and receiver in 2007, was “pretty wide open” selling cocaine to students on and around the University of Alabama campus but tried to hide what he was doing from teammates, police said.

“He didn’t want them to know he was involved in it,” said Capt. Jeff Snyder of the West Alabama Narcotics Task Force.

monkey says

January 6th, 2011
3:36 pm

UGA is no longer relevant, It is obvious by the post on every sports blog here on the AJC. Auburn is so worried about future sanctions that they have resorted to playing the “prove it” card.

UGA cannot even get into the BCS bowl era.

Got Crack Bama? Monkey Says Edition

January 6th, 2011
3:37 pm

Here’s The Recent Police Line-Up:

Ealey also spent time in the Clarke County Jail and was suspended for a game after his Aug. 27 arrest on charges of hit-and-run of a parked vehicle and driving on a suspended license. Another running back, Dontavius Jackson, left the team this summer after he was suspended for DUI and other alcohol-related charges.
Starting receiver Tavarres King was suspended for the opener after his arrest for underage possession of alcohol.
Freshman linebacker Demetre Baker is one of four arrested players who were dismissed from the team. Baker was booted after being charged with DUI on Sept. 26, hours after Georgia’s loss at Mississippi State.
There have been other off-the-field issues.
The NCAA suspended star receiver A.J. Green for four games when he sold his Independence Bowl jersey for $1,000 to someone it classified as an agent.
UGA president Michael Adams addressed the number of arrests when he spoke to Athletic Association employees this month.
“We’ve had too much in the football team, so we expect the coaches and the ADs to provide role models and leadership for their players,” Adams said.

Paul in RDU

January 6th, 2011
3:37 pm

Who cares whether the players on your favorite college team went to school in-state? If you had to only have in-state players, Duke wouldn’t have any sports teams (or 85% of the students for that matter).
Heck, the most successful sports league on the planet (that would be the EPL) has less than 30% native citizens.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
3:38 pm

Nance

January 6th, 2011
3:19 pm
Bama dude is dancing all around your question. Of course he wouldn’t agree to that because he knows good and well his school’s home state doesn’t produce sh*t compared to Georgia!!!!

Actually I grew up in Georgia from the time I was just a little tyke; went to Dacula. I really don’t know much about HS in Alabama. I do have strong familial ties in and around T-town, though. Spent many a summer there as a kid.

Cam

January 6th, 2011
3:39 pm

monkey says,

You’re right about UGA, but I’ll tell you what. That Mark Richt is sure one nice fellow. He said I’d make a fine wide receiver.

Tell the truth

January 6th, 2011
3:42 pm

You guys can talk the most about nothing of anybody I have ever seen. What an absolute waste of time and space

Got Crack Bama? Monkey Says Edition

January 6th, 2011
3:42 pm

What difference does it make if his teammates knew? Jimmy Johns was “pretty wide open” selling to students, that blurb makes him look better? Your defense is “he was selling crack, but he was doing it on the low?” That will work in a court of law let me tell you…..

Franklin Crittenden

January 6th, 2011
3:44 pm

Tell the truth

January 6th, 2011
3:45 pm

What a shallow life you must lead. Your whole life is wasted over the insanity that college football has become. You are wasting your life with your hatefulness. I truly pity you.

Cam

January 6th, 2011
3:45 pm

His Daddy didn’t know he was selling crack.

Besides, you can’t PROVE it! Nobody but HATERS cares what those doofus newspapers write.

Got Crack Bama? Monkey Says Edition

January 6th, 2011
3:45 pm

Alabama has seen it all over the last 20 years. Shady loans. Athletes illicitly accepting cash payments from agents and boosters. Multiple probations. Postseason bans. Scholarship reductions. Lack of institutional control. You name it, the Crimson Tide has done it.

Got Crack's Moms

January 6th, 2011
3:47 pm

You guys need to understand My Boy has been posting on here all day long because he is out of middle school today because he missed the short bus and lost his helmet. He is not all there, he just learned how to cut and paste and he is obsessed with doing it. Google is his second favorite site behind the gay pages he likes looking at.

Cam

January 6th, 2011
3:47 pm

That’s right Crack Bama.

That’s why Daddy wouldn’t let me go to Tuscaloosa. Too dirty.

Got Crack Bama? Monkey Says Edition

January 6th, 2011
3:48 pm

So you are admitting you lost right? Back to your rock scrub, on to the next one……

Got Crack's Moms

January 6th, 2011
3:49 pm

How does someone lose to a goober like you….

Cam

January 6th, 2011
3:49 pm

Crack Bama, you’re my hero.

I’m all in!

Monkey says

January 6th, 2011
3:52 pm

Nice play on my name. Too bad your intelligence level does not live up to your narcasism level.

Monkey says

January 6th, 2011
3:52 pm

Mike P. is that you? Pretty Pathetic if it is?

Steve

January 6th, 2011
3:57 pm

I think many of you continue to miss this point… A person can admit to “having a conversation with…” BUT, this does not say…WHO initiated the conversation. If I walk up to you, ask you to assist me in committing a crime…are you guilty of “conspiring to commit a crime”? No, I am not…but I did “have a conversation about it”. So, if NCAA had no proof of who intiated it, then they simply had a “he said, she said”. Who invited him into the hotel room? Both said no money changed hands, so nothing there. Clearly, NCAA could only factual say that Cecil “was involved” in a conversation…hardly enough to slap Cam and certainly not Auburn.

Gator S

January 6th, 2011
3:58 pm

Tony I typically agree with you on both the radio and here on the AJC. But you are way off on this one! And for whatever reason we are afraid to say Scam or his family did anything wrong! Wow! Can we return to the day when we call you out regardless??
Again… where there is smoke there is fire!!!

Buckeye

January 6th, 2011
4:00 pm

Nance,

You’re probably right. I’d rather be 6-7, unranked, lose to Conf USA in a 3rd tier bowl and be scorned by the top recruits in the state. On the other hand, Tressel has signed 6 of the top 10 recuits in Ohio including the top DB recuit in the country according to Rivals. Can I defect?

Good grief

January 6th, 2011
4:00 pm

Bama dude,

If it’s all the same to you I’ll just accept your non-answer as my answer.

Huh?

January 6th, 2011
4:00 pm

Right Steve.

MSU probably set the whole thing pay-for-play thing up and Cecil simply refused to go along with it.

Yeah! That’s the ticket!

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
4:01 pm

Good grief

January 6th, 2011
4:00 pm
Bama dude,

If it’s all the same to you I’ll just accept your non-answer as my answer

What was the question?

Good grief

January 6th, 2011
4:03 pm

Paul in RDU –

It’s a completely hypothetical “what-if” scenario, and it would be quite boring if EVERY stud kid stayed at home CA, TX, FL, GA, OH and PA, but it is valid to point out which states are producing all the best talent. I just find it funny that most Alabama fans (of either school) like to razz Georgians (not just UGA fans), when fact of the matter is a large portion of their athletes (and hot chicks mind you) are from the state of Georgia.

Good grief

January 6th, 2011
4:04 pm

LOL, come on Bama Dude, don’t play coy with me

Tell the truth

January 6th, 2011
4:05 pm

This blog is either full of lawyers or wannabe pharisees

Good Grief

January 6th, 2011
4:06 pm

Okay… I’ll repeat the question.

Would you prefer to have railroad spikes driven into both ears simultaneously, or have bamboo shoots injected under each and every finger and toe?

Come on man… It can’t be that hard for you to decide?

Good Grief

January 6th, 2011
4:07 pm

Sheesh… You Bammers are sooo dumb!

Bama

January 6th, 2011
4:09 pm

GG,

I’d never razz a Georgia fan. You guys have enough problems on your own. You don’t need any grief from me.

kool$kat

January 6th, 2011
4:12 pm

Bulldoggies won NC in ‘80 because of Herschel Walker, no way they win it without him, and its well known that Herschel suddenly acquired a brand new TransAm about the time he signed with UGA. So lets investigate that and then talk about taking away some trophies, OK???

Got Crack Bama? Monkey Says Edition

January 6th, 2011
4:13 pm

Too bad you can’t spell “narcissism” LoL You are calling me illiterate?

Buckeye

January 6th, 2011
4:13 pm

What to watch:

GoDaddy.Com Bowl tonight, ESPN 8PM ( Primetime, right?), Middle Tenn State vs. Miami (OH)

Was the Liberty Bowl play in Primetime? No, didn’t think so.

osubuck

January 6th, 2011
4:15 pm

Enter your comments here

gcs

January 6th, 2011
4:17 pm

The rulings might be different but they are both guilty liars.

.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
4:17 pm

Good grief

January 6th, 2011
4:04 pm
LOL, come on Bama Dude, don’t play coy with me

I’m not. If the question is a choice between recruiting exclusively one state or recruiting no one from that state but recruiting the other 49, give me the latter every day and twice on Sundays. I thought I already said that.

Good grief

January 6th, 2011
4:17 pm

Tell the truth –

Did you really call me a biblical Jew? That’s a new one. And I must be onto something I guess. I have achieved having my moniker stolen status now. I’m proud.

Good grief

January 6th, 2011
4:18 pm

Bama dude,

But I think in that scenario the other states are keeping their own as well.

Bama

January 6th, 2011
4:19 pm

We all need something to be proud of, don’t we? :-)

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
4:21 pm

Good grief

January 6th, 2011
4:03 pm
Paul in RDU –

It’s a completely hypothetical “what-if” scenario, and it would be quite boring if EVERY stud kid stayed at home CA, TX, FL, GA, OH and PA, but it is valid to point out which states are producing all the best talent. I just find it funny that most Alabama fans (of either school) like to razz Georgians (not just UGA fans), when fact of the matter is a large portion of their athletes (and hot chicks mind you) are from the state of Georgia

Uh, I think you have that backwards chief. Taking football completely out of it, I’ve never heard a single Georgia joke from anybody in Alabama. Many of them hate the traffic, etc. that comes with a big city but I’ve never heard them slamming the state. However, I must have heard a few thousand Alabama jokes in my life.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
4:23 pm

Good grief

January 6th, 2011
4:18 pm
Bama dude,

But I think in that scenario the other states are keeping their own as well.

Oh, then we just award the national title to Texas every year? They absolutely get the cream in the best state every year. The Florida and Cali schools split theirs a little more; not Texas.

Nance

January 6th, 2011
4:24 pm

@Buckeye,

My response to you mysteriously disappeared, so I guess I need to repeat it. Going 6-7 is the price you have to pay sometimes when you play in a real conference. I’m sure you have no complaints, and why should you? As I stated earlier, you essentially have to play only one real game a year, and if you win it, no matter how ugly or how close it is, the Big 10 homers on ESPN will automatically proclaim you frauds national champions.

So why would you care if every other CFB fan in the other 42 states realizes you guys are nothing more than paper tigers thanks to a biased media?

Good grief

January 6th, 2011
4:25 pm

But you’d have to admit a GA, OH and PA could occasional slip in there and win it. Texas just have a knack for producing qb’s. I was blown away to learn that even Andrew Luck is a Texas kid. They are a QB factory.

Good grief

January 6th, 2011
4:26 pm

And I can’t really combat your Bama joke statement….

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
4:26 pm

Andrew Luck’s father just said that he’s returning to Stanford for another year. Guess Cam is singing, “I’m goin’ to Carolina…”

Bama

January 6th, 2011
4:26 pm

Good grief,

Here’s Bama’s Roster: http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/alab-m-footbl-mtt.html

Wanna show us yours?

osubuck

January 6th, 2011
4:27 pm

Lot of good points here and I really can’t disagree with any of them. However; as a Buckeye fan we feel that the national media mainly the likes of Mark May gives no credit to OSU. The first few games are not against the nation’s power house teams but rarely are any other top schools. The difference is the league play, no doubt about it the Big 10 has been a little weaker or at least looks that way at Bowl time. Keep in mind that Big Ten teams are built for the colder weather, they still have a lot of speed, but none the less they are typically built for cooler weather. The Bowl games are almost always in the warmer climates and in OSU’ case 2 of the last 3 Bowl games were played against SEC teams in SEC territory with an SEC dominated crowd…almost like a home game. If we go to a Rose Bowl and play a team from the west coast league, guess what…another home team environment. No excuses just a fact. I would love to see a Alabama, LSU or Florida team play a bowl game at the shoe or at the “Big House” in January and see how it turns out. Would that team built for speed play the same, how would the Big Ten team that is built for that environment look? Food for thought before y’all kick the northern teams under the bus!

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
4:28 pm

I don’t think anybody but Texas would ever win it. You could go in the NFL right now and put together a Super Bowl champion from kids that grew up in Texas.

valentino

January 6th, 2011
4:32 pm

nance -

Bingo!! Did you notice how the sh*theads on ESPN magically forgot about the SEC prisonrapings OSU suffered in recent championship games by BARELY defeating a very overrated Arkansas team with their SUSPENDED players? And it was as though the SEC domination from Saturday never occurred. ESPN is as spineless as you get.

Bama

January 6th, 2011
4:32 pm

@osubuck

Why would anybody want to play a bowl game in a slop-bucket?

Is that really the best excuse that you guys can dream up?

Bama

January 6th, 2011
4:35 pm

valentino,

It’s not fair. Those Big10 teams had to play in the South. They ain’t built for that kind of abuse!

Good grief

January 6th, 2011
4:36 pm

Ahh yes, another “but it’s warmer” copout. Half, if not more, of the college football schedule is played during warm/comfortable temperatures in Big 10 country. I have plenty of family there. You rarely get snow before Christmas. And it’s not as though the BCS bowl games are being played in the middle of summer. 65-75 degrees is NOT hot, that’s room temperature.

Good grief

January 6th, 2011
4:37 pm

Bowl games are REWARDS. There is nothing rewarding about playing a football game outdoors in Minnesota in January.

Gen Neyland

January 6th, 2011
4:38 pm

BAMA dude : Yeah, I’m serious cause if the NCAA was also serious about stopping crime in it’s tracks it wouldn’t allow the ’special favors’. osu CT says the NCAA erred correctly because, and I paraphrease here, ‘Why should our Seniors suffer because of the actions of the underclassmen’. I made the analogy last night : I rob a bank, get busted and sentenced to 10-20 but the judge sees special considerations because I’ve got a 2 year old to raise to the age of majority. Sentence delayed and I get to live the life I shouldn’t be allowed. Headlines should read Sorry kid, Daddy screwed up…

Bama

January 6th, 2011
4:42 pm

Hmm…

Did the “right people” get punished when Albert Means got shopped around? Several schools were shopped, but Bama wound up with him, so…

I guess the guys who suffered through the probation years later were just as guilty as the Memphis coaches shopping Albert and the Memphis “Bama Booster” who paid up?

Bama

January 6th, 2011
4:43 pm

BTW: Nobody, including the NCAA, disputed that Albert Means was unaware of the shopping on his behalf.

The Karl Childers

January 6th, 2011
4:44 pm

Amen, Brother osubuck.

osubuck

January 6th, 2011
4:45 pm

As far as the C.Newton and OSU players involved in problems this year goes. In my humble opinion Cam’s deal has the look and taste of a real NCAA violation where as the OSU 5 was a violation of Buckeye pride and personal character and it angers and embarrasses OSU fans. I would almost classify it as sacrilegious and just shows how much some of today’s kids display a general lack of respect for everything and everybody. This is not an OSU thing it’s the generation of I want what I want and I want it now, and I don’t care what anybody thinks. Look around your place of employment, some of the younger kids think that they should have the job that you worked 20 or 30 yrs to get.

Bama

January 6th, 2011
4:46 pm

Nor did the NCAA provide “proof” that the University had any knowledge of the alleged shopping.

They aren’t required to prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt — they aren’t a court of law.

Bama

January 6th, 2011
4:48 pm

@osubuck

They aren’t being suspended for hurting the fans’ feelings. They are being suspended (or not) for violating NCAA rules – doesn’t matter if you agree with the rules or not.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
4:48 pm

Gen Neyland, I look at it completely differently. The Sugar was nothing more than an exhibition and a reward for all the players on a good season. It’s not like the school would get any less money by playing without those kids. By suspending them next season they will have to play five games that actually will affect their prospects at making it into the BCS. That, to me, is a much more severe penalty than a Bowl. In most cases where a player skips a bowl (Andre Smith for one), it’s the school’s decision based on team rules or what not.

Bama

January 6th, 2011
4:53 pm

BAMA dude,

You really are beginning to sound like Bill Clinton. I’ll give you the fact that the Sugar Bowl “Championship” no longer has any real meaning, but do you honestly believe that losing that game wouldn’t have affected OSU’s recruiting or pre-season poll placement next year?

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
4:54 pm

Bama

January 6th, 2011
4:53 pm
BAMA dude,

You really are beginning to sound like Bill Clinton. I’ll give you the fact that the Sugar Bowl “Championship” no longer has any real meaning, but do you honestly believe that losing that game wouldn’t have affected OSU’s recruiting or pre-season poll placement next year?

Go back and see how getting waxed by the SEC in bowls has affected their preseason rankings the last few times and you’ll have your answer.

Too tough 44

January 6th, 2011
4:56 pm

ncaa is should disband! What a load of junk they didnt do their job. I have no respect for that govening body any longer. sold their souls to the devil!

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
4:57 pm

Oh, and Bama- using my Andre Smith example, I think we did OK after the whole Utah debacle. Don’t you?

Bama

January 6th, 2011
4:57 pm

There was tangible value for OSU in winning that so-called “meaningless” game and there is little chance that OSU would have won the game had the suspended players actually have been, you know… Suspended.

Out of State Monkey

January 6th, 2011
4:59 pm

Bowl games ARE rewards, just ask the teams that played the Bugs and UGAY this year. On a different note, I saw OSU’s first 5 games next year — they’re all cake. Especially that one against Colorado. Now what self respecting team could possibly lose to Colorado…hmmm..I wonder…

Oh wait, I know. Maybe it was that 6-7 team that only has a bad record because they play in the big bad SEC — and not because they also lost to last place Big 12 teams and Conference USA schools.

Bama

January 6th, 2011
5:00 pm

Sure. We did just fine.

Then again, we actually suspended our suspended player, didn’t we?

osubuck

January 6th, 2011
5:01 pm

C’mon Bama, don’t get defensive and start calling names or insults. We got our asses kicked a couple of times can’t deny that. As I recall over the past few years Oklahoma took it on the chin as did Florida by Michigan not to mention others and not a hole lot was made of it. The SEC has been the better overall league, but don’t forget that Auburn should have lost a game or 2 but some dumb luck emerged as did LSU (remember the team that couldn’t count to 11) so c’mon Bama y’all didn’t exactly have a season of no doubt victories. Oh yeh, lets see if Auburn can match what OSU did to Oregon last year or did you forget about that.

Out of State Monkey

January 6th, 2011
5:03 pm

I also propose a rule change where the Ay She She Champ and the Big Least Champ are sent to the Liberty Bowl each year to match up with UCF from here on out. The winner gets the key to the State of Georgia.

Bama

January 6th, 2011
5:03 pm

Names? Insults?

I only questioned your logic. Luck is always a part of winning a National Championship. Cheating, however, need not be involved.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
5:04 pm

Oh yeh, lets see if Auburn can match what OSU did to Oregon last year or did you forget about that.

You mean beat them by 7?

Seriously?

January 6th, 2011
5:04 pm

The Sugar Bowl CEO Paul Hoolahan, lobbied for the suspensions of the Ohio State players to be delayed until next year:

“I made the point that anything that could be done to preserve the integrity of this year’s game, we would greatly appreciate it,” Hoolahan was quoted by the Columbus Dispatch.

TOO FUNNY!

Bama

January 6th, 2011
5:05 pm

Alabama and Texas played in the real Rose Bowl last year, as I recall.

osubuck

January 6th, 2011
5:06 pm

Bama, are you a whiner? Very unbecoming of the South and I respect the hell out the South!

Something else to consider….Where did some of the best coaches in the country come from? That’s right Bama boy OHIO!!!!!!!

Bama

January 6th, 2011
5:07 pm

@Seriously?

Amazing that a man who doesn’t understand the meaning of the word “integrity” made CEO, huh?

Bama

January 6th, 2011
5:09 pm

Don’t tell me about Ohio. Been there, done that.

BTW: I stopped being a boy back when you were still just a twinkle in your Daddy’s eye.

Out of State Monkey

January 6th, 2011
5:12 pm

CMR is running a contest for UGAY fans this year. Whoever correctly guesses the total points Boise is giong to rack up on the puppies next season gets a new set of teeth.

East Atlanta

January 6th, 2011
5:12 pm

Every time I hear the OSU people come up with some lame, agitated defense about how it was truly fair that their guys got to play in that game, I’m reminded of Shakespeare: “Methinks the lady doth protest too much.”

In other words, you give yourselves away. OSU sucks.

CL

January 6th, 2011
5:12 pm

The NCAA is barely a step above professional wrestling, if indeed there is any separation. Had Auburn been a .500 team, the Lovliest Village would have been napalmed. But they weren’t a .500 team, were they? College football has become a multi-billion dollar boondoggle that, at its core, is sadly out of control. No wonder daddy wanted to get paid.

Pay the man

January 6th, 2011
5:17 pm

Another CYA story from Mr. Tony BS…..

Out of State Monkey

January 6th, 2011
5:19 pm

So Herschel was paid with Trans Ams back in ‘80 huh? Now they’re paying Scam’s Daddy $180K? It’s all good, just need to adjust for inflation. Those boys from OSU better start raising their rates.

osubuck

January 6th, 2011
5:20 pm

Thanks for the entertainment Bama, it’s good to disagree. You must be a good SEC / Bama fan so good luck to you, and I will continue to be a Big Ten guy and OSU fan through think and thin. Take care my man!!

Bama

January 6th, 2011
5:21 pm

You nailed it CL.

You can’t really blame a guy for wanting a piece of the action when the game is so blatantly corrupt to begin with.

Beast from the East

January 6th, 2011
5:26 pm

Tony,
I don’t always agree with your point of view, but I think you explained it perfectly. It may come out one day that Cam did receive soemthing from Auburn, but without any proof they did the right thing.
My problem is that the OSU players should have been suspended immediately just like AJ Green was. They did the exact same thing he did and they still got to play in the BCS game. That was a BS decision that I’m sure the Dawg Nation is fuming over. It appears the NCAA is very selective in it’s enforcement of the rules. I think Adams and McGarity have an axe to grind. This is from a die-hard Gator.

Bama

January 6th, 2011
5:28 pm

Same to ya osubuck. I recall some great games between our two schools. I had supper one night sitting under Archie’s Heisman Trophy at that restaurant (can’t recall the name?) across from the shoe. I’m just disgusted with the NCAA right now.

Mike Smith

January 6th, 2011
5:45 pm

Give it a rest, Tony. From what I understand, it is an NCAA violation for a father to shop his son…PERIOD. The Father cannot be punished, so as in many other cases, the NCAA punishes the student athlete. In this case, Cam should have had to sit at least a game or two…end of story.

You can make excuses and double talk all you want, but a rule was broken and NO punishment handed out. Mark my words, just like in the Ohio St. case, if big money for BCS conferences was not at stake, Cam would have sat a game or two. But Auburn was the last hope to stave off the dreaded mid-major TCU, and Ohio St. players needed to be on the field to be a draw for the Sugar Bowl.

Huh?

January 6th, 2011
5:50 pm

Mike Smith,

You are a breath of fresh air in this whirlwind of stank. Long live common sense!

MoneyBags

January 6th, 2011
6:43 pm

Could we possibly get two more appropriate teams to represent the NCAA in the BCS Championship game this year?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-06/megamoney-comes-from-megadonors-at-ou-and-auburn.html

Show Me the Money!!!

Steve

January 6th, 2011
7:06 pm

OK… This is for all of you who think that Tressel should have kept those guys (who, I agree are stupid for doing what they did):

I, as a person who has no real say like a fan or a newspaper writer, feel that Mark Richt should have sat Green out of the liberty bowl for selling the jersey. I think that Mark Richt is a terrible dirty coach for not going above and beyond the punishment that the NCAA has imposed. How dare he not impose additional punishment because fans think he should!!

CatsFly

January 6th, 2011
7:13 pm

Know how to do the “Rocky Flop” (Tn)? Trail in the game for 50 mins., then go up 3 with less than 5 mins to go. Then get 3 15 yd penalties while allowing the opponent to drive 80 yds in 31 secs. Then throw an interception in OT. That folks is called the “Rocky Flop”.

Raiding Arizona

January 6th, 2011
7:16 pm

Why would the BCS schedule a college football game in an NFL stadium that is only designed to seat 63,400? Tickets are now being scalped for upward of $3000.00 and Auburn alumni have become irate to learn that, while their own purchase from the 16,000 ticket allotment via the Auburn Athletic Department is limited, Alabama state politicians have been purchasing unlimited tickets from them at face value for the purpose of gifting key constituents.

Meanwhile, many ordinary Auburn fans have naively hit the road for Glendale, sans tickets, hoping to “tailgate” at The University of Phoenix campus. Surprise! There is no campus — only vast stretches of barren desert. The mail-order/web-based U of P paid good money to own the naming rights for the stadium, but they have neither a campus nor any intercollegiate sports programs whatsoever.

Great job, BCS!

Bama Dude's Worst Nightmare

January 6th, 2011
7:24 pm

Price Is Fired by Alabama

May 04, 2003|

TUSCALOOSA, Ala. — Mike Price was fired by Alabama without coaching a game because of behavior including a night at a topless bar — another embarrassment for a once-proud football program.

University President Robert Witt said Saturday that Price failed to live his “personal and professional life in a manner consistent with university policies.”

Price, hired away from Washington State in December, lost his job because of his conduct on a trip to Florida last month for a pro-am golf tournament. Witt disclosed for the first time that Price was warned before that trip about his public behavior.

“To the university and the entire ‘Bama Nation, I admit making mistakes and at times inappropriate behavior, but I also ask for your forgiveness,” Price said.

Rocky Flop

January 6th, 2011
7:29 pm

I spent a nite in a topless joint and got a raise, or was that a rise.

Bama Dude's Worst Nightmare

January 6th, 2011
7:29 pm

CENTRAL ISLIP, New York — Former New York Giants receiver and Michigan State standout Mark Ingram was sentenced Tuesday, Sept. 16, 2008, to more than seven years in prison for bank fraud and money laundering. It’s a third term behind bars for the player who starred in the 1991 Super Bowl and first made a name for himself at Flint Northwestern.

The 42-year-old Ingram also was ordered in Long Island federal court to pay $252,000 in restitution. He is free on $200,000 bail until Dec. 5.

He said the criminal record he has had since his 1996 retirement is “not who I am.”

“It hurts me to my core,” Ingram said. “I made mistakes.”
Ingram pleaded guilty in November 2005 to laundering money he believed to be proceeds from narcotics deals and to bank fraud for cashing counterfeit checks.

PHIL

January 6th, 2011
7:33 pm

I think comparing them to the AJ Green situation is far more accurate than comparing to the situation at Auburn. The main thing is that the NCAA has no actionable evidence on Auburn and won’t until the FBI turns it over to them.

poopdawg

January 6th, 2011
7:38 pm

“There were NO FINDINGS that money ever changed hands.” Thats fine and dandy if the Newton’s financial records were completely examined and cleared. Its not good if NO FINDINGS did not include a thorough examination of financial records. Someone please clarify this!

Bama

January 6th, 2011
7:38 pm

Nightmare,

Mike Price was not a good fit for the state of Alabama. Where he was from, it was cool for the HC to hang out with students in local bars and have a few cold ones in the evening. That would probably be okay with a lot of Alabamians as well, truth be told, but the one’s who actually manage the public institutions of Alabama would, in the majority, tend to disapprove. Face it, this is the Buckle of the Bible Belt.

What Coach Price did on that night didn’t violate any NCAA rules, nor did it avail the University any competitive advantage. Still, as a Bama fan, I’m glad that he was fired. I have no particular animosity toward the man. I’ve been to a few topless clubs myself. I just don’t believe that he could have ever been successful at the Capstone after that little escapade became public. It’s a shame, but it is what it is… Ain’t it?

Bama Dude's Worst Nightmare

January 6th, 2011
7:45 pm

TUSCALOOSA, Ala. — The NCAA placed Alabama on five years’ probation Friday, jolting the program Bear Bryant built into a power with a two-year bowl ban and heavy scholarship reductions.

A recruit, identified in news reports as Kenny Smith, and his parents were given $20,000 in cash, lodging and entertainment by two Crimson Tide boosters beginning in 1995. The first payment of $10,000 was made in $100 bills delivered in a grocery bag. Smith signed with Alabama but couldn’t meet academic requirements.
An Alabama booster previously identified as Logan Young of Memphis, Tenn., gave cash to a high school coach who was seeking $100,000 cash and two sport-utility vehicles in exchange for directing star recruit Albert Means to Alabama.
An assistant coach, former recruiting coordinator Ronnie Cottrell, received two loans totaling $56,600 from Young in violation of NCAA rules. The loan was not repaid until the case became known.
Two boosters involved in repeated rules violations were known to the Alabama staff, coaches and fans and often were seen at the team hotel during road games.
A recruit, identified previously as Travis Carroll, was given the use of a car in 1999 for agreeing to attend Alabama. The car was repossessed when Carroll transferred to Florida.
– The Associated Press
The governing body said it considered giving the Crimson Tide the most severe punishment — the death penalty — under the repeat violator rules for a recruiting scandal in which boosters were accused of paying money for high school players.

“They were absolutely staring down the barrel of a gun,” said Thomas Yeager, chairman of the infractions committee.

“These violations are some of the worst, most serious that have ever occurred,” he said.

Bama

January 6th, 2011
7:48 pm

poopdawg,

What I’d like to learn from a reporter is just who, exactly, is responsible for investigating the SEC and the NCAA? I want to know every little detail of how this investigation was handled — from the time it was first reported to the SEC by MSU, up to the time that the stories about Cecil Newton began to break last Fall.

Who guards the gate of the Gatekeepers? Do they investigate themselves?

Bama Dude's Worst Nightmare

January 6th, 2011
7:48 pm

I agree Bama but it was still embarassing for the university to fire a coach before he ever coached a game, wasn’t it?

Bama Dude's Worst Nightmare

January 6th, 2011
7:53 pm

If Alabama is found guilty of further violations during the probationary period, Yeager suggested the death penalty — the elimination of a sports program — could result.

“God forbid, there’s ever another appearance — ever,” Yeager said. “Should there be one — particularly within the five-year period — I don’t know what’s left.”

Bama Dude's Worst Nightmare

January 6th, 2011
7:54 pm

All-America defensive back Antonio Langham admitted signing with a sports agent the morning after the Tide gained the national title with a Sugar Bowl win over Miami but returned to play his senior season.

Bama

January 6th, 2011
8:00 pm

Nightmare,

Everyone’s already seen your mega-pasting of ancient stories about Alabama football players getting into trouble. Alabama isn’t involved in Auburn’s current NCAA problems. As a Bama fan, I’ve been accused by Auburn fans before of living in the past. It appears to me that you don’t have much of relevance to say about the present.

Good Luck with the Ducks.

Bama

January 6th, 2011
8:10 pm

Yes Nightmare.

It was embarrassing. As it was when that (very talented) doofus Antonio Langham got tipsy after the Big Game in the Big Easy and signed his name onto a c0cktail napkin that a sports agent handed him in a bar.

Yes. It was embarrassing.

Now… Do you really want me to start asking you a bunch of embarrassing questions? I sure hope not.

Bama

January 6th, 2011
8:25 pm

@Steve

The problem, as I see it, is that these various Universities do a little dance with the NCAA in which they maintain a semblance of independence. What usually happens when a rules infraction occurs is that the “Institution” self-reports and proposes self-administered punishment, and the Committee either approves that, or modifies it upward.

The problem is that there has been no clarity established regarding the specific conditions under which the NCAA will accept the individual Institution’s suggestions. They have made efforts to establish precedents, but they have done a poor job of following their own precedents in every case. Therefore, they now lack credibility with anyone capable of walking and tying their shoes.

Raiding Arizona

January 6th, 2011
8:37 pm

This is a picture of University of Phoenix Stadium:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Cardinals_stadium_crop.jpg

Don’t exactly look like Tailgater Paradise to me. :-(

Theaveragejoe

January 6th, 2011
8:58 pm

Barnhart is not going to upset the apple cart by saying anything negative against the NCAA or the SEC. He wants to stay in their good graces and to hell with his Integrity. It would have been nice if Greens suspension was put off until the 2011 season. The SEC and NCAA will continue to cover for Newton because they don’t want to interfere with the money stream. By their logic if the Newtons had robbed a bank and did not come away with any money then they should go free.

MikeP

January 6th, 2011
8:58 pm

PHIL
January 6th, 2011
7:33 pm
“….The main thing is that the NCAA has no actionable evidence on Auburn and won’t until the FBI turns it over to them.”
If you’re waiting for that don’t hold your breath. It’s illegal for the FBI to turn over the results of investigations to private interests. The NCAA is not a federal agency, it’s not a law enforcement agency, it’s a private entity. The FBI would have to be subpoenaed, and the NCAA does not have subpoena authority. Paying players to attend XYZ university is not against the law, so the FBI has no interest.

In any case, the FBI investigation of gambling and bribery in Alabama concluded in October. The findings were turned over to prosecutors and the persecutors have prepared their case and asked the court for a trial date. See your 10′clock news over the past three weeks for details. That’s over and done.

To answer other questions, the NCAA investigators met with Cecil Newton and thoroughly examined both family and church financial records. Nothing unusual was found.

Who polices the NCAA and SEC? Nobody. They are organizations composed of voluntary members and they answer only to their members. They police themselves.

Here’s some advice for y’all hoping against hope for the axe to fall on Auburn…Quoting Sports Illustrated writer Lars Anderson on December 2nd.: “Sources inside the NCAA say the Cam Newton issue is settled. It’s over, done, dead. People need to move on.”

And ESPN writer Joe Schapp on December 3rd.: ” The NCAA is very satisfied with the Newton investigation. That case is closed and the files have been put away.”

Sorry to rain on your parades, but the Cam Newton media frenzy is over.

Mike

January 6th, 2011
9:11 pm

The only reason that the ‘facts’ don’t support a cam newton suspension is because the inconvenient ones, such as a miss. state recruiter’s conversation with cam newton in which cam stated that he would be going to auburn because the money was too much. The simple fact is that someone representing Cam and his father attempted to get money from mississippi state. By ncaa and sec rules, Cam is ineligible.

Those are the real facts, not the facts of convenience of the SEC and NCAA.

Fan of the Game

January 6th, 2011
9:33 pm

Somebody should have been punished for the Sugar Bowl, either the players or the coaches for not educating the players. What a joke! But what is new, the NCAA is a joke. 11 and 1/4 scholarships for college baseball. You talk about discrimination!

MikeP

January 6th, 2011
9:55 pm

By Mike at 9:11 PM
“The only reason that the ‘facts’ don’t support a cam newton suspension is because the inconvenient ones, such as a miss. state recruiter’s conversation with cam newton in which cam stated that he would be going to auburn because the money was too much. The simple fact is that someone representing Cam and his father attempted to get money from mississippi state. By ncaa and sec rules, Cam is ineligible.”

There was no such conversation. The only place that reported that was some blog site called “leather poop” or some such. Had that conversation actually occurred, Cam would not be eligible.

Tom, Resident Georgia Fan

January 6th, 2011
9:59 pm

Tony no need to use all the caps. Use italics.

Poopdawg

January 6th, 2011
10:07 pm

Mikep, if your writings are accurate then good for Auburn. Where did you see that the Newton’s financial records have been examined and cleared? NO FINDINGS comment is just not enough detail.

War Eagle

January 6th, 2011
10:08 pm

All you bama fans are having a field day with Cam, but 24-0 or 28-27, take a pick and weep. Cam Newton, Herschel Walker, two greatest football players in SEC history and close in the NCAA.

Tal

January 6th, 2011
10:24 pm

Tony, you aren’t serious when you say that Cam did not know that his dad was negotiating for him. Or are you? It is against NCAA rules for anyone in the affected athlete’s family to violate NCAA rules and that should affect the athlete’s eligibility. The majority of people on God’s little green earth would surmise that an athlete would know if his or her father was illegally negotiating during the recruiting process. The whole process is about $$$$. However, I enjoy reading your articles.

SE GA Resident

January 6th, 2011
10:26 pm

Would everyone get over the fact that A.J. Green did not know that guy was an agent?? Now, he wasn’t too smart to sell the jersey in the first place and did need a game or two off, but neither A.J. nor the buyer knew he was an “agent.” The NCAA decided he was an “agent,” so I guess that makes him one. Everyone knows that Scam Newton and dad got off, as well as Ohio State. No respect for the NCAA.

Fan of the Game

January 6th, 2011
10:31 pm

NCAA = National Corrupt Athletic Association

SWGADAWG

January 6th, 2011
10:32 pm

Tony, the more you talk about Scam and Pryor the sadder you and the NCAA look. Just say it like it is and always has been….it’s about the money. Time to blow the whole thing up…..

SE GA Resident

January 6th, 2011
10:34 pm

Respect lost and gone forever for you and the AJC sports writers.

Fan of the Game

January 6th, 2011
10:37 pm

Sugar Bowl proved it is all about Money!

Bama Dude's Worst Nightmare

January 6th, 2011
10:55 pm

Don’t be so sure there’s no Bama involvement though. Jody Wright is a GA assistant at Bama under Saban and he held the same position at MSU while they were recruiting Cam. In fact he’s been interviewed by the FBI already, and he is more than likely one of Schad the hack’s sources on his Newton hit pieces. If you think the NCAA will come snooping around at AU and not find any dirt on Bama you are sorely mistaken. That would be your worst nightmare, everyone knows Bama boosters are paying players just like AU boosters did in the past. Except in your case it will be the hammer from which you will never recover. Be careful what you wish for…..

Gen Neyland

January 6th, 2011
11:14 pm

BAMA dude : You’re probably in bed by now (good for you..!) and tomorrow this blog will be an after-thought. Tressel (sic?) is now lobbying to reduce the ’sentence’ to 4 games. Even after the NCAA caved to pressure from the bowl, Tressel (sic..?) now wants more relief. Pyss (sic, but the censors won’t knock it down) on it and pyss on the osu…

MikeP

January 7th, 2011
12:47 am

Poopdawg
January 6th, 2011
10:07 pm
“Mikep, if your writings are accurate then good for Auburn. Where did you see that the Newton’s financial records have been examined and cleared? NO FINDINGS comment is just not enough detail.”

Channel 12 in Montgomery, carrying a story out of Atlanta. Cecil Newton’s lawyer appeared on TV and stated that Cecil had met twice with the team of NCAA investigators. Cecil voluntarily turned over all financial records, both family and church, for examination. Remember, he didn’t have to do that, the NCAA does not have subpoena authority.

Sure, records can be falsified if a person is skillful enough. I don’t think Cecil Newton is that sort of an accountant. More telling is that the investigators could find no sign of extra money around the family or church. A family of limited means can’t hide $200,000 for nearly a year. No new cars, no fancy clothes, no electronic gadgets or big vacations, on and on.
That team twice came into the Newton home, sat at the table, looked around and asked questions of Cecil, Cam’s mother Jackie and maybe some other family members. There is nothing there. Those guys are professional investigators. If there was anything to find, they’d have found it.

AGAIN

January 7th, 2011
1:21 am

The current NCAA president is a Washington Husky grad and was the Washingtion Husky president before taking the job at the NCAA last year.

Washington has a 7 game losing streak to Oregon. Do you think he would rather have had OR play TCU or Auburn. It’s obvious, Auburn stands a better chance at beating OR than TCU did. This stinks to high heaven.

AGAIN

January 7th, 2011
1:26 am

Auburn will not win this game. Just like USC threw the game against Texas. The powers at be have mandated that if the SEC wins another so soon, it is not good for football overall.

Don’t believe Caroll threw the game? How many times did Vince run to the right, including the winning TD and was hardly untouched. I don’t think on the last run he was touched or is so it was a pat on the A as he ran in.

AGAIN

January 7th, 2011
1:28 am

After watching Tressel try to give the game to Arkansas, I am done after I see SHAM and Auburn keep the record alive. 53 years since the last NC (and ONLY) on the plains.

AGAIN

January 7th, 2011
1:59 am

The problem with CAM is. God, another Vick, another Young, another Russell, another Campbell, another McNabb. Another black QB over hyped, and over hyped and over hyped AND overpaid but a bust in the NFL.

What a shame. If the NFL goes on strike will Vick be offered a contract before? What a farce. A QB rating around 70 his entire stint in Atlanta and now above 100. More evidence he pissed away the opportunity here.

legionaire

January 7th, 2011
6:00 am

The NCAA is a corrupt outfit as all monopolies are. It can’t be fixed. All you can do is the NASCAR way don’t get caught.

MikeP

January 7th, 2011
6:41 am

I’m actually the same guy you all saw here for years denying that the NCAA would ever touch USC over the Reggie Bush incident.

I was wrong about that one, but maybe I’ll get lucky this time. In five years, if Auburn still doesn’t hear from the NCAA, then I’m gonna come on here and have an “I Told You So” celebration.

Until then, I’m sticking to my story.

Fight On!

Thanks, Tony

January 7th, 2011
6:58 am

You’ve given thUGA’s yet another post in which to whine, whine, whine.

It was just starting to die down a bit and now heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere they go again.

Dawgies? Getting old. Grow up already.

Wow

January 7th, 2011
7:00 am

Could ANYONE here be more clueless than this *AGAIN* dude?

Amazing… lol

[...] Tony Barnhart: Newton and Pryor rulings are completely different. [...]

Huh?

January 7th, 2011
7:10 am

@Wow

Sounds like he got burned on an investment in Michael Vick’s dog-fighting enterprise! :-)

Huh?

January 7th, 2011
7:11 am

Or… He’s Rush Limbaugh!

You're Singing The Song, But...

January 7th, 2011
7:16 am

… you still have the lyrics wrong.

Yes, it was found that Cecil Newton DID talk to Mississippi State, or a representative thereof.

It was NOT determined that Mr. Newton approached Mississippi State. More likely it was the other way around. MSU saw a family thrown on hard times with a son who was a potential money-machine and approached the family. Unethical boosters exploit this type of situation all the time.

The further investigation, if any, will be focused on MSU.

And THERE is where the other shoe will drop.

Auburn is not the program that will go down in flames.

MSU is.

bamafan

January 7th, 2011
7:51 am

Tony – are you familiar with Occam’s Razor? If not, read up on it.

Buckeye

January 7th, 2011
7:54 am

Ohio State traditionally schedules a traditional power early in the season. As you “dawgs” know, we’re looking to take down the hedges come 2020. Recent years have included home and home with USC, Texas and this year it happened to be Miami. We have Oklahoma, Cal and Tennessee in future years. Even you Georgia fools would understand it’s largley a crapshoot of what any given program will look like in 5-10 years. Ohio State just happens to be a consistant top 5 program – for the most part. So, I take no crap from anybody on our schedule. Who knows, come 2020, UGA may crack the top 25. Odds are, we will be in the top 10. GO BUCKS!

bank walker

January 7th, 2011
7:59 am

Tony, why don’t you compare AJ Green’s case to the OSU’s players. They are more alike than the Scam Newton’s case.

Rick

January 7th, 2011
8:06 am

So you are now on Auburn’s payroll.

GT51

January 7th, 2011
8:11 am

this isnt the same interpretation of the rule that everyone else had when this story first came out. according to others, if anyone closely associated with a student athlete asks for money for play then that athlete is ineligible regardless if the athlete knew about the person asking for money or not. why has the rule changed all of a sudden? probably the same reason why the ohio 5 were allowed to play in the sugar bowl.

Pony Express

January 7th, 2011
8:14 am

The mail sure is slow these days. I just now got the postcard that A.J. Green sent from South Beach. He said he had a great time.

No Richt Lover

January 7th, 2011
8:19 am

A few comments about the UGAy-UCF game:

1. It was obvious that neither the UGAy goons or coaches were ready for the game. It was obvious that UCF was.

2. The whole team sucked.

3. How much longer will dawg fans put up with this kind of crap with Richt as coach? More importantly, how long will McGarity put up with it?

4. Some of the UGAy players, and a lot of the fans were crying after the game ended. This was a heartwarming sight for decent, intelligent people to see.

5. When the cameras zoomed in on some of the UGAy fans, it was very clear why most states have laws against incest. It was also clear why beer companies are so profitable.

6. How much stuff has A.J. Green sold already? How much is his stuff discounted when UGAy loses and he plays like crap?  :-)

7. How is Russ taking the loss? Oh, I see, he’s crapping all over everybody. Sorry about that, coach Richt. I’m sure those stains can be removed from your pants.

8. Aaron Murray demonstrated how devastating it was to lose Zach.

9. Good news for the seniors playing their last game for UGAy – you’ll never have to spend another night in the Athens jail. The lawyers and bail bondsmen of Athens salute you.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

Doug

January 7th, 2011
9:19 am

Check the SEC rules. There ARE specific rules dealing with the Newton situation, and they have been violated.

big 10 fans are pansies

January 7th, 2011
9:31 am

“It’s not fair we have to play bowl games in treacherous 61 degree temperatures!!!!”

football junkie

January 7th, 2011
9:39 am

You said that Newton’s dad nor this Rogers guy had had anything to do with the University, but neither did the people that bought THE OHIO STATE players memoribilia!

MikeP

January 7th, 2011
10:06 am

I see the age 14 and under set is on here this morning, posting under someone else’s user name. Thankfully, the bell will ring at middle school very soon.

GT51, just because you think a rule should say such and such doesn’t mean that’s what it actually says.

Nothing of value changed hands in the Cam Newton case. There’s the difference, and that’s why it’s now over and the NCAA has closed the files and boxed them up.

Sports Illustrated writer Lars Anderson on December 2nd. “Sources inside the NCAA say the Cam Newton issue is over. It’s done, dead. That case is closed and people need to move along.”

Hey, Doug?

January 7th, 2011
10:24 am

Exactly which SEC rules would those be?

Huh?

January 7th, 2011
11:51 am

That would be the one that states that neither a student athlete, nor an agent for said athlete, may seek benefits not allowed under SEC bylaws in exchange for accepting a scholarship with an SEC institution. Should an athlete, or their agent, seek such benefits, then that athlete is not eligible to participate in athletics at any SEC Institution.

The rule has been posted verbatim on this blog many times. It was inconvenient for the SEC to follow this particular bylaw in the Cam Newton case, and so they chose not to. This is blatantly obvious and no amount of lipstick will ever make this pig look like anything but a pig.

Buckeyefan

January 7th, 2011
9:22 pm

Who honestly outside of SEC homers and Big 10 haters would have wanted to watch OSU vs Arkansas if Pryor (the starting QB), Herron (the #1 tailback), Posey (#1 receiver) and Adams (Starting LT) didn’t play??? It would have been an easy win for the Hogs. I admit it. OSU’s second string QB has taken ZERO meaningful snaps all season. The back-up TBs are average, the receiver corps is not as deep as OSU would like…Arkansas would have run dominated on defense and OSU’s offense would have been severely crippled. Seriously…both teams came out with their actual team. Arkansas lost. Sorry SEC fans but they LOST to OHIO STATE..the actual team. You ask any Arkansas fan if they would have preferred Pryor and the other play. If the shoe was on the other foot so to speak I would not have felt good in a win playing Arkansas without Mallet, Davis and their starting LT and best receiver. No one would have been able to tell who was the best team, No we know. DEAL WITH IT! The fact is the NCAA (in all their infinite wisdom) ruled them eligible. In this case going into a game like this…ANY coach would have played their 4 BEST players. PERIOD. END OF STORY. Why cheat everyone (fans, players, coaches etc) of knowing TRULY who was the best team?

Crimson Crush

January 8th, 2011
3:59 am

For those who THINKS that everything with $Cam and the University of Auburn is “case closed” … the next couple of years should be reallllllll fun . The U.S. Attorney isn’t through handing out indictments … Bobby Lowder and crew have larger trouble than $Cam Knewton but the funny fact is … wiretaps don’t discriminate and they were up and running BEFORE $Cams dumbazz came to town .

Anyone who thinks the FBI was just questioning parties involved in $Cam’s buyin…. errr … “recruitment” to be “helpful” to the NCAA doesn’t have a clue what is coming ;-)

SEC Fan

January 8th, 2011
9:06 am

Buckeyefan,

You’re right. Arky fans wanted to play the real OSU — same with Bama fans vs. Cam Newton U.

That’s all well and good, but the fact remains that until 2010, most (but never all – there’s always been enforcement bias) teams would have simply had to suffer the punishment for violating NCAA rules. Auburn and OSU got a pass this year and it was ALL about the money. You’ve got a bowl win over the SEC now, but you also have an asterisk beside it in the record books. You can never erase the taint.

yayaya

January 9th, 2011
10:13 am

ya this article better have a follow up after the national championship when the NCAA reveals everything they actually knew about the newton case. AND Auburn and Cam get their trophies reclaimed but the NCAA still makes all the money off them HAHAHAHAHA

[...] Cam Newton, Terrelle Pryor rulings are completely different (Tony Barnhart, Atlanta Journal-Constitution) [...]