Cam Newton, Terrelle Pryor rulings are completely different

Nobody asked me but:

The Cameron Newton and Terrelle Pryor rulings are completely different: Since Ohio State’s Pryor has already played (and won) the Sugar Bowl and Auburn’s Newton will (probably) play in his last college football game Monday night, I’m going to make this point one last time and call it a day.

I had more than a few people from Big Ten country write and tell me that Pryor should get to play inthe Sugar Bowl because Newton got to play in the SEC championship game and beyond. It’s the same NCAA and fair is fair.

First of all, I thought Pryor played great Tuesday night. There is no question that he still has some maturity issues to work through but he is a marvelous athlete playing the quarterback position.

But, in a nutshell, here is the difference in the two rulings:

Pryor: There was a finding of FACT that he and four other Ohio State players exchanged stuff that was given to him by the school for something of value (like money and tattoos). Money did change hands. There is a clear penalty for that in the rule book: four game suspension. The NCAA tacked on another game because it happened a year ago and the players did not report it. You may think it is a stupid rule (a lot of people do) but the rule is clear. The goofy part is that the penalty starts next season, but that’s a completely different argument.

Newton: There was a finding of fact that the father, Cecil Newton, had a conversation with a former Mississippi State player (Kenny Rogers) not affiliated with the school, about the POSSIBILITY of getting paid. There was no finding that money ever changed hands. There was no finding that those kinds of discussions took place with anybody connected to Auburn.

And here is the key component. Unlike the Ohio State case, there was NOT a specific rule in the NCAA manual to deal with the Newton case. There was a lot of speculation in the conventional media and the social media that SOMETHING was going on here. But when it came time to make the decision, the only facts the NCAA had were that Cecil Newton had a conversation with Kenny Rogers and that no such conversations had taken place with anybody connected to Auburn.

Bottom line: If the NCAA could have proven that Cecil Newton had a similar conversation with somebody who had Auburn ties, the son would not be playing today. If the NCAA could have proven that Cecil Newton had taken money from somebody with Mississippi State ties, the son would not be playing Monday night. There was a helluva lot of speculation that SOMETHING took place. And I have heard from people who believe that it simply defies logic that there wasn’t more to this story.

I understand and sympathize with that point of view. But what you BELIEVE and what you can PROVE are different things. It’s a tough case.

And here’s another point. A lot of people have written that the reason Cam Newton was not punished was that he did not know what his father was up to. In retrospect the NCAA should have not included that factor because it only clouds its ruling. The fact that Cam Newton did not know was a MITIGATING factor but not a DECIDING factor in the ruling. There is a big difference.

The NCAA could not sit Cameron Newton because it did not have a specific rule to address this specific case. That’s it. I feel confident in saying that there will be such a rule in the future.

I hope that settles it but I have a feeling this case will never be settled.

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BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
12:12 pm

ARdawg

January 6th, 2011
12:09 pm
Bama dude

You still fail to see the bigger picture, because a team or individual player happens to be more successful does not mean the punishments should be doled out any differently.

It’s not. They will sit out the next REGULAR SEASON game just like AJ did. If they were on a bad team they wouldn’t have had a bowl, correct? So they’d be sitting out the exact same games?

Joe Bob Thibodaux

January 6th, 2011
12:13 pm

Agreed Dude. TAM looks to be another good game tomorrow night. I look for a tight game if there isn’t too much rust.
SEC West will, hopefully, keep supplying the nation with National Champions. I also look for resurging strength in the SEC East next year.
For now, its the Aggies that have my attention. LSU needs to win this one. MSU looks to be a factor for sure in the coming years. Great football.

JBT

Starring Kam Fong as Chin Ho

January 6th, 2011
12:13 pm

What, pray tell, was the excuse for allowing the OSU players (who had already been found guilty) participate in the Sugar Bowl? That, in itself, ruins any credibility that the NCAA had left.

"Grocery Bag and an Envelope"....

January 6th, 2011
12:14 pm

Alabama could be considered a ”repeat offender” under N.C.A.A. rules, leading to a possible shutdown of the football program.

bmix4u

January 6th, 2011
12:14 pm

Anybody else think the NCAA rules committee is batty — that the rules oversight process needs to be broken down, bludgeoned and taken out back and shot?

Tony writes, “There was a finding of FACT that he (Pryor) and four other Ohio State players exchanged stuff that was given to him by the school for something of value (like money and tattoos). Money did change hands.” So what… the NCAA is now against bake sales and garage sales held by student athletes?

Gee. That’s a delicious looking cookie you have there. Although you earned it from the university as a reward for your hard work, your laborious study of the playbook and meritorious play, it obviously still belongs to the university as they have jurisdiction over whether you can eat it, eat it with ice cream, add sprinkles to it, exchange it for money or trade it for a muffin in this bake sale. Gimme a break!

Buckeye

January 6th, 2011
12:14 pm

Les,

Before you get there, ask UM to order a custom fitted hat or two for you.

It will be cool to have a Hat and The Vest in the same conference.

Bama

January 6th, 2011
12:14 pm

@BAMA dude

Try making that argument to your wife!

Delbert D.

January 6th, 2011
12:15 pm

Bama Dude – Pete Thamel has an article in the NYTimes web edition today that you might want to read.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
12:16 pm

Mudd

January 6th, 2011
12:11 pm
Wow, seriously Bama Dude? The population card? Just admit your state doesn’t produce squat. I mean it’s obvious to everyone that knows anything at all about football. It’s easily 10-1 out of state studs compared to Bama’s instead studs over the years. Give me a break. Plucking a few kids here and there from out of state does show the might of a solid program, sure, but when you are solely dependent on other states it just shows desperation and lack of hometown talent.

First of all, I don’t live in Alabama. It has its positives and negatives, good parts and bad parts like evrywhere else. Secondly, uh, yeah…. population matters as it pertains to putting out the most talent in anything. The three most populous states in southern climates (where kids can go outside all year)are Florida, Texas, and Cali. Guess which three states produce the most football players? And lastly, you really are grasping at straws to come on a COLLEGE football blog and talk smack about which state has the best high schoolers. Does anybody care?

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
12:17 pm

Delbert, you talking about the APR bit? I saw that.

"Grocery Bag and an Envelope"....

January 6th, 2011
12:17 pm

Free Crimson Dodge Chargers for everyone!! (We’ll throw in a free Crimson Escalade for Julio Jones too)

Buckeye

January 6th, 2011
12:18 pm

Question, we know who runs the State. Who runs the SEC? We know THAT’s not UGA.

"Grocery Bag and an Envelope"....

January 6th, 2011
12:19 pm

Bama Dude can’t hear you. He’s busy praying to his own personal Jesus, little Nicky Satan……

Delbert D.

January 6th, 2011
12:20 pm

Bama Dude – Yep, that one. The 100% – 49% graduation stats surprised me.

Bama

January 6th, 2011
12:20 pm

Have to agree with BAMA dude, Mudd.

Atlanta has a larger population than the entire state of Alabama, yet Alabama maintains a very high percentage of home-state players on their football roster. If you have evidence to the contrary, then please present it.

Throwing rotten tomatoes at Alabama doesn’t do anything to remove the Cam Taint from Auburn. It only reveals your absolute lack of class.

Repeat Violator?

January 6th, 2011
12:22 pm

TUSCALOOSA, Ala. — Alabama has told the NCAA that athletes improperly got free textbooks for other students and that the school failed to adequately monitor distribution.

The university said Thursday that the hearing before the Committee on Infractions was held on Feb. 20. The university reported the violations after uncovering them during the 2007 football season, when five players were suspended.

The university admitted in its 67-page response to the NCAA’s notice of allegations that infractions occurred in several sports and that it didn’t adequately monitor its distribution of textbooks to athletes.

The NCAA letter, dated May 19, 2008, said the allegations against Alabama were potentially major. They included allowing athletes to improperly receive textbooks and other supplies, failure to monitor textbook distribution and to provide adequate education on the rules to athletes and employees at the university bookstore.

The violations allegedly occurred from the 2005-06 school year through the fall of 2007, which means the university could be punished as a repeat violator. The football program was placed on probation on Feb. 1, 2002.

Bama

January 6th, 2011
12:23 pm

At least Bama’s players know how to read a textbook.

heyDucks

January 6th, 2011
12:24 pm

PLEASE do the sec a favor and wipe that smug grin off of #2.Maybe a nice shot to the knee.Just watch the uga-au game for a hint on that one.

Repeat Violator?

January 6th, 2011
12:25 pm

The coaches of the SEC certainly have their eye on Alabama football coach Nick Saban.

According to a report in The Birmingham News, Saban has been accused of violations by other teams more than any other head coach in the country.

In his seven months at Alabama, Saban’s name has turned up more than any other coach’s in other schools’ allegations of secondary NCAA rules violations, an official with knowledge of the infractions process says.

Gee I wonder why...

January 6th, 2011
12:26 pm

Quan Bray (left) and Xzavier Dickson both rejected UGA’s recruiting advances, picking Auburn and Alabama respectively.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
12:26 pm

Delbert, that could be an anomaly. But yes, it’s very interesting that 100% of the Barn’s white football players graduate while only 49% of the black players do. Don’t know what it means exactly, but it seems odd. Not going to throw mud around though.

Why have textbooks at Alabama anyway?

January 6th, 2011
12:28 pm

Too bad your fan base can’t read them “BAMA” LoL

Bama

January 6th, 2011
12:29 pm

http://diverseeducation.com/article/10/

Cincinnati, OHIO — The official statement given via Jack Brennan, public relations director for the Cincinnati Bengals, is: “James Brooks was able to function and perform in his football role while with the Bengals. No one was aware there was a problem.”

The “problem” he refers to was the revelation that occurred during a hearing in Judge Steve Martin’s Hamilton County, Ohio, courtroom last month regarding delinquent child support payments in excess of $110,000. James Brooks could not read the court documents; this after graduating from Warner Robins High School in Georgia in 1977 and after spending at least four years at Auburn University in Alabama. When asked by the judge how he graduated from Auburn, Brooks said, “I didn’t have to go to class.”

ARdawg

January 6th, 2011
12:29 pm

Bama dude

You are wrong again. IF OSU was 6-6 headed to Shreveport the OSU 5 would have sit that game out

lane edwards

January 6th, 2011
12:29 pm

just drop it about cam yall just mad that he is good and yall cant stand it

Joe Bob Thibodaux

January 6th, 2011
12:29 pm

Mike Hayward is causing my school grief. He was a good recruiter back n his day. Too bad for Pittsburg he has anger management issues. LSU fessed up though. We’ll take our lumps. Dumb stuff!

Why have textbooks at Alabama anyway?

January 6th, 2011
12:30 pm

However, the NCAA acknowledged that UA is subject to penalties as a “repeat violator,” stemming from sanctions in 2002. Those penalties, in the most rare and extreme instances, could include a program being shut down for two seasons.

Delbert D.

January 6th, 2011
12:30 pm

Next time the argument for paying student-athletes a stipend, remember this calculation. Let’s assume a stipend of $250 per month. You’ve seen those NCAA student-athlete ads running during the bowl season, I assume. The annual cost for the stipends to those 400,000 student-athletes that fall under the NCAA governance would be $1.2 billion dollars.

MR

January 6th, 2011
12:31 pm

Poor barners. Back them into corner and they spam the board.

How bad must it suck to be an aubie ?

ARdawg

January 6th, 2011
12:31 pm

Bama dude

You can put lipstick, rouge and eyeliner on that pig all you want, it is still a pig

Tell the truth

January 6th, 2011
12:31 pm

DC You got upset with Cecil did ya??? Well that changes everything. And hs should cower and go hide in Newnan or better yet vanish??? I know I am impressed.

War Eagle!!!

January 6th, 2011
12:32 pm

War Eagle, fly through da hood
Ain’t got no classes, grades still be good
War Eagle, pays more than State
Sign up and don’t be late
Go! Go! Go!
Probation, comin’ again
Hit ‘em late, Hit ‘em late,
Clam up and spin, Hey!
War Eagle, cheat for Auburn,
Stepchild of Dixie Land!

Not Spam If It's True...

January 6th, 2011
12:35 pm

MR It’s not spam if it’s true!

Delbert D.

January 6th, 2011
12:35 pm

Bama Dude – Me either, and it must be an anomaly. I’m not an Auburn hater, because my daughter went there for 2 years along with her best friend from high school. She got caught up in all of the sorority stuff, which brought an end to it.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
12:37 pm

ARdawg

January 6th, 2011
12:29 pm
Bama dude

You are wrong again. IF OSU was 6-6 headed to Shreveport the OSU 5 would have sit that game out

Do we have evidence of this, or are we just speculating and looking for conspiracies?

Bama

January 6th, 2011
12:37 pm

Heh, heh, heh…

http://diverseeducation.com/article/10/

Georgia, Auburn and Ohio – The Golden Triumvirate of Taint!

10 In One Year..Giving ThUGA a run for his money!

January 6th, 2011
12:37 pm

Bama linebacker Johns charged with selling cocaine, possessing Ecstasy

Alabama’s already thin linebacker corps took another hit Tuesday when senior Jimmy Johns was dismissed from the team following his arrest on multiple drug charges.

Jimmy Johns, the 10th Alabama football player arrested within the past year, is jailed in Tuscaloosa on $120,000 bond.
Johns, who was moved from running back to linebacker this spring, was arrested Tuesday morning in Tuscaloosa and charged with five felony counts of distributing cocaine.

A sixth charge of possession was also tacked on after police officers searched his off-campus residence and found cocaine and Ecstasy pills, according to Tuscaloosa Police Department Capt. Jeff Snyder, who heads up the West Alabama Narcotics Task Force.
It didn’t take Alabama coach Nick Saban long to react; he dismissed Johns immediately.
“This type of behavior obviously will not be tolerated, and he is no longer a part of our program,” Saban said in a statement.
Johns is the 10th Alabama football player arrested within the last year.

10 In One Year..Giving ThUGA a run for his money!

January 6th, 2011
12:38 pm

Hey Bammers….Got CRACK?????

Got Crack?

January 6th, 2011
12:40 pm

On two occasions police bought cocaine from Johns on the Alabama campus and, on one of the five times investigators bought cocaine from Johns, they bought as much as seven grams of the drug, according to police.

Bama

January 6th, 2011
12:40 pm

Yep, Bama had some thugs recruited under Mike Shula. Saban had to clean house before he could begin to turn the program around and regain the former glory of The Crimson Tide.

Mark Richt fans, you are welcome to take notes…

Denver Dog

January 6th, 2011
12:41 pm

Tony, thank you for telling us what the definition of “is” is! If there were no knowledge, then why was he declared ineligible? Why did he tell others that “at Auburn there was more money”? Why is the FBI involved, and the Mississippi attorney generals office? It is all about the money…..UNC lost half of its team for a party, UGA lost it’s best player for a jersey! Auburn lost nothing or playing an ineligible player. If nothing happend, why couldn’t his dad go to the ceremonies and the champinonship game? Do some work Tony

Bama

January 6th, 2011
12:42 pm

Auburn fans needn’t bother. You guys are proud of your cheating.

Saban=Biggest Traitor In Sports

January 6th, 2011
12:44 pm

n honor of the latest controversy surrounding Brett Favre, here’s our list of the five biggest traitors in sports.

1. Nick Saban: We all know that sports figures, and public figures for that matter, are capable of denying the truth at any given time. But none did it quite as brazenly as then-Dolphins coach Saban before jumping to a multi-million dollar offer at ‘Bama, after five weeks of repeated denials. “I guess I have to say it. I’m not going to be the Alabama coach. … I don’t control what people say. I don’t control what people put on dot-com or anything else. So I’m just telling you there’s no significance, in my opinion, about this, about me, about any interest that I have in anything other than being the coach here,” he said on Dec. 21, 2006. Less than three weeks later, came this statement: “What I realized in the last two years is that we love college coaching because of the ability that it gives you to affect people, young people. … If I knew that my heart was someplace else in what I wanted to do, I don’t think it would be fair to the [Dolphins] organization if I stayed.” Thus proving, Nick Saban’s heart = his wallet.

bmix4u

January 6th, 2011
12:44 pm

Yaw looking at this wrong with all this who should play – who shouldn’t play stuff. Those arguments assume the rules are sacrosanct. But the fact is, the rules are stupid. They’re set up to enslave student athletes. The labor of these athletes goes into university pockets. But if an athlete goes outside the established system to enrich or reward himself, the NCAA’s Fugitive Slave Act pulls him back in.

ARdawg

January 6th, 2011
12:44 pm

Bama dude

No conspiracy. What we have is the prior (not to be confused with Pryor, cause I know you are from Bama) history of suspensions handed down et al AJ Green to draw upon. Your completely baseless argument that timing is everything is BS. Break the rules, found guilty, take the punishment. Oh wait, Unless you are the OSU 5 and headed to the Sugar Bowl.

Bama

January 6th, 2011
12:45 pm

Then again, your record proves that cheating is the only activity at which you excel.

ARdawg

January 6th, 2011
12:46 pm

Bama dude

Have you ever in your life heard of or remember player’s signing a statement to return next year to receive their “just due”? I didn’t think so

Saban=Biggest Traitor In Sports

January 6th, 2011
12:46 pm

Nick Saban’s heart = his wallet.

BAMA dude

January 6th, 2011
12:47 pm

Just announced that Greg McElroy has been awarded an NCAA Top VIII award, given annually to the eight outstanding student athletes. Every single NCAA athlete in every sport is eligible and they only give out eight. Outstanding accomplishment.

Saban=Biggest Traitor In Sports

January 6th, 2011
12:48 pm

The situation involving Alabama football players possibly getting paid continues to get more interesting.

The NCAA is looking into whether someone other than Alabama running back Mark Ingram, the 2009 Heisman Trophy winner, paid for him to attend a May 12 party in D.C.