Ohio State’s players not stupid, but they are selfish

Hope everybody had a great Christmas! So what did we miss while we were gone spreading the Holiday cheer? Where in the world do you start?

1. Ohio State’s players aren’t stupid, but they are selfish: So a bunch of  Ohio State players, including quarterback Terrelle Pryor, will miss the first five games of the 2011 season because they sold and exchanged stuff for money and services. That’s a pretty stiff penalty and it’s likely a bunch of those guys will just turn pro and never serve the suspension. But please spare me the hand wringing and the gnashing of teeth about how the system is unfair. Two points:

**–It is an unfair system, yadda, yadda, yadda: We know that. We have always known that. There is a reasonable argument to be made that athletes should be able to generate some kind of income based on what they do and the value they provide to the school. But you don’t get to break the rule and THEN make the argument. Then all you’re doing is trying to rationalize behavior that has hurt the team to cover your own butt. Sometimes in life you have to be selfish. But admit that you did it for selfish reasons. Admit that you wanted the money or needed the money or felt you DESERVED the money. Then accept the consequences and move on.

**–I do not want to hear another adult say that the kids didn’t know the rules. Gene Smith is the athletics director at Ohio State. I have great deal respect for him and consider him to be a friend. But I can’t listen to another adult attribute rules breaking to a lack of knowledge of the rules.

Again, there is a good argument to be made about the validity and the fairness of the rule but here’s the deal. My mother just turned 78 years old and she knows a player can’t sell a jersey why he’s still in school. If you let these guys play in the Sugar Bowl because you don’t want to hurt a multi-million dollar game at this late date, then just say so. If the players thought the rule was stupid and felt they deserved something more because of their status, then just say so. But don’t plead ignorance. It just doesn’t fly any more.

 2. Will Georgia Tech run out of bodies against Air Force? Here is another reason why I could not be a coach. Georgia Tech was already short-handed on defense for today’s Independence Bowl with Air Force. Two starters and a reserve on defense were suspended last week for academic reasons. Now comes word that three more defensive players will have to sit out the first half of the game for missing curfew Friday night. Now Shreveport is a friendly town. My CBS buddy Tim Brando could live anywhere and he chose Shreveport as the place to raise his family. It’s a great place. But guys. You miss curfew in Shreveport? Seriously?

3. Is Caleb King destined to become another Patrick Pass? We learn today from Tim Tucker that Georgia running back Caleb King will miss Friday’s Liberty Bowl because he missed five “academic appointments.” I assume that is going to class or study hall. This marks the third game this season that King has missed on suspension. So now Georgia has a running back of modest (at best) ability, who can’t be bothered to do the academic side of his commitment after being suspended once already this season. There have been a lot of great running backs to come through Georgia. There have also been a bunch of running backs  who arrived in Athens with excessive hype and very average hearts. Caleb King is starting to look like the latter.

4. The coaching carousel sure did get quiet:  With much fanfare Florida hired Will Muschamp as its head coach on Dec. 4. Speculation immediately began that Muschamp would tap Alabama defensive coordinator Kirby Smart, his friend and also a former Georgia player, as his new DC. Then it got quiet and it looks like we won’t know anything until after the Jan. 1 bowls. Understand that everybody in the business is waiting for Muschamp to make his move. Then the ripple effect will start through the rest of the coaching fraternity. I wonder if Florida has a rule about the number of Georgia graduates the Gators can have on their staff?

5. Best rumor of the Holiday season: Jim Tressel to leave Ohio State: Something called ChicagoNow.com reported that Jim Tressel would be leaving as Ohio State’s coach after the Sugar Bowl game with Arkansas on Jan. 4. The website said that the Buckeyes recruits had been told that Tressel was leaving and that they should look elsewhere. Ohio State had to respond to knock down the rumors. Two things:

**–If the head coach at a place like Ohio State is going to leave suddenly, the recruits will be the LAST people to know because the school wants to try and hold the class together.

**–Could it possibly be that opposing recruiters were telling players that Tressel was going to leave hoping that somebody would pick up a rumor with no factual basis but run it anyway? Mission accomplished I guess.

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223 comments Add your comment

Tony B ROCKS!

December 27th, 2010
9:13 am

CalGatorBrotha

December 27th, 2010
9:19 am

Welcome back Tony B, yes these players know they broke the rules. The better thing they should have done was give the stuff to a friend or family to sell but maybe that too is a violation.

CrackDaddy

December 27th, 2010
9:20 am

Are you suggesting that Ohio State’s players are in some degree more selfish than than players on other teams? I would say there is no difference whatsoever.

Billy

December 27th, 2010
9:22 am

Ohio state football is very dirty. theyve been paying players and giving benefits since the 90’s

Ed

December 27th, 2010
9:24 am

Glad you are back.. Hope you had a Merry Christmas.

goldwreck

December 27th, 2010
9:26 am

I wonder why the Ohio State players received a 5 game suspension and AJ Green only received a 4 game supension for the same thing.
I think the Tech game will be entertaining and high scoring.I just hope Tech has the ball last.
I agree about the heart of Caleb King.He has the physical ability and before now appeared to have the mental capacity but obviously he lacks the desire to maximize his potential.
Go Jackets!

Dawg_Mike

December 27th, 2010
9:29 am

As I said on Tim Tucker’s blog, cut King and move on. If he isn’t serious enough about his responsibilities, then kick him off the team and see how long he stays to pursue his degree. Yeah right.

'76Dawg

December 27th, 2010
9:30 am

For once I agree with Mark May. Had these infractions been at an SEC school the suspensions would have started with the bowl game. It does look like the NCAA enforces rules differently for some schools.

VOLinATL

December 27th, 2010
9:30 am

Welcome back, Tony!

reebok

December 27th, 2010
9:31 am

Welcome back, Tony! Your crack about missing curfew in Shreveport made me laugh out loud (literally). Let’s play the game quick while Tech still has enough players to field a team! GO JACKETS!

Sandman053

December 27th, 2010
9:31 am

My question is, if a player violated a rule and is deemed ineligible, why does that player not have to serve the suspension imediately? i.e. AJ Green. I am sure Coach Richt would have loved to sit AJ against four opponents of his chosing.

Kevin

December 27th, 2010
9:32 am

They should have gotten Cecil Newton to sell them…then all would have been square with the NCAA.

AuTigerAtl

December 27th, 2010
9:32 am

You’re right X 5.
War Eagle!

AuTigerAtl

December 27th, 2010
9:33 am

Thanks, Kevin. I was waiting for some moron to say something stupid. What took you so long?

Sandman053

December 27th, 2010
9:33 am

I agre with Dawg_Mike..King can EARN his way back onto the team but he would have to show heart and initiative to get there.

Sandman053

December 27th, 2010
9:34 am

lol @ Kevin….that was pretty funny.

T-Bone

December 27th, 2010
9:40 am

Tony, what’s the story as to why the OSU guys get to start their suspension next year and not with the bowl game?

Ryno

December 27th, 2010
9:41 am

Can’t believe any Auburn fans would get butthurt over an obvious joke like Kevin’s. He was dead on, and Aubies start feeling dirty and guilty all over again.

JB

December 27th, 2010
9:42 am

Welcome Back Tony……I don’t think Kirby goes to Florida….He’s pretty close to landing his own gig, but Like Muschamp, he better be careful….. The first job out the box sets the tone for the your whole career…..Muschamp flops at Florida, he’ll end up coaching defense at N C State….or less……Caleb King would be gone if the Dawgs were deep at RB….We are pitiful, unless we can convert one of our 8 TE’s to RB…….

Kevin

December 27th, 2010
9:43 am

AugTiger… given that the NCAA ruled that the sons are not guitly of the father’s sins, what about that is stupid?

Sugg Id

December 27th, 2010
9:43 am

Is that suppposed to be a dis on Caleb? Patrick Pass was known for running out of bounds more than anything else at UGA but he also had a longer NFL career than almost anybody who ever ran the ball for UGA. I’m sure Caleb King would take being Patrick Pass in a heartbeat.

D A Double U G

December 27th, 2010
9:43 am

Welcome back Tony!!! Happy Holidays to you and your family.

There are going to be a LOT of angry Dawgs if these suspensions are overturned or even reduced to less than 4 games.

I hate to take the “eye for an eye” approach to this situation, but that is just the way it is.

GO DAWGS!!!!

Asheville Dawg

December 27th, 2010
9:45 am

King was a pampered athlete in high school and I’m sure at UGA. I sure hope Richt makes him earn his way back on the team, or cuts bait.

ratherBgambling

December 27th, 2010
9:47 am

Welcome back Tony!

UF is going pro-style on offense and it sounds like WM is going to go with a NFL guy. Expect an announcement on that after the NFL season ends Jan. 2. He is in no hurry hiring other coaches with the recruiting dead period in effect for 2 weeks.

UGA football continues to embarrass itself. 6-6 seasons and all the arrests and the players can’t even go to class.

Have and a Happy and Safe New Year’s everyone!

saban

December 27th, 2010
9:47 am

Does anyone know where I can get a little Grantham Choak doll with the red panties and georgia logo?

I was at Richt`s hair salon in Athens yesterday and they had sold out.

Imagine I can get some at the trailor park in Athens.

Joey

December 27th, 2010
9:48 am

AuTigerAtl’s a little touchy!

What on earth is going on with UGA’s recruiting? Have we ever gone 4+ months without a commitment?

Oh, welcome back, TB.

JB

December 27th, 2010
9:51 am

Good question Joey….Dawgs need to sign 28 and we have lot’s of needs ans spots open and not even a rumor floating…….I hope we don’t get left at the altar like last year….We ended up with 18 and already lost two of those. We need bodies…..

bama in ATL

December 27th, 2010
9:54 am

What I cannot understand about the OSU situation is the lack of action against the institution. These violations occurred BEFORE the 2010 season and ALL of these players participated in the full season of games. Should OSU not be asked to vacate wins during this year? The inconsistency of actions by the NCAA makes everyone shake their heads! The NCAA said that OSU gained no “competitive advantage” by selling the jerseys. Did Reggie Bush play better because his family had a nicer place to live? DId the five players from Bama play better because they got extra textbooks? Both schools had to vacate wins. If OSU said THEY did not provide the proper instruction to their players, is this not a “LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL”, the worst of all offenses? Seems like now is the time to do what you want! Just plead the case that you did not know! Except for soon to be a millionaire, A.J. Green must be furious!

Mint Berry Crunch

December 27th, 2010
9:54 am

Ask Brookwood people about Caleb King- left for GAC because he would not have been able to pass Ga high school exit exam at brookwood and he absolutely cannot do college work, only at uga to run ball.

Chris

December 27th, 2010
9:55 am

Is Mark May correct? If this had been an SEC school, would the NCAA come out with the hammer so that the kids couldn’t play in the bowl game or is it more of an issue that no matter what conference is involved, the NCAA does not want to ruin a potential great matchup and risk losing TV revenue, fan interest, everything involved with possibly diminishing income?
I’m an SEC homer which I know is silly but I can’t help it. I’m guessing he’s basing his argument on what happened with AJ Green and Marcel Dareus at the beginning of the year but those were not marquee BCS bowls. While I loved May bashing the NCAA…equating the institution with the name hypocrisy, I think maybe no matter what conference was involved, they would have done the same thing since it is their primetime ‘post season’.

College football is the single greatest regular season in all of sportdom in America and yet the post season is the worst. If we can’t have a true four or eight team playoff (and Tony, you have spelled out ad nauseum how many obstacles we are dealing with here), then I would love to go back to the old way when the four/five majors all mattered in some way or other. As it is now, we really don’t have a true number one versus two and the BCS has diminished the other major bowls to meaningless exhibitions. I mean does anyone other than the two schools involved really want to see UCONN v Oklahoma?

Good to have you back Mr. Barnhart.

Sandman053

December 27th, 2010
9:56 am

@ bama in ATL: You know what the O stands for in OSU?

0 for 9 (or however many it is ) against SEC teams….

BULLDAWG BILL

December 27th, 2010
9:57 am

Very good article, Tony. Breaking rules or bending them to fit the athlete has been with these college players since they were in middle school. Just look how many are held back a grade so they can be more physically mature in high school.

The NCAA does not enforce the rules evenly. 4 games suspension for Green, 2 for the Alabama player, lifetime suspension for some North Carolina players, 5 games for Ohio State, but after the Sugar Bowl. The NCAA has set itself up for a massive lawsuiit in the future. The worst decision was the one surrounding Cam Newton’s father trying to sell him to Miss State. Now every parent of an outstanding high school athlete will be expecting a pay off and the athlete will claim he didn’t know anything about it. What a joke!l

Much more of tlhis NCAA bungling and college football will lose a lot of its appeal. It may be time for the big college athletic departments to start up another organization to replace the NCAA. If so, they should make it exclusive for the big guys. Furman U., a great college, should have no say in how LSU runs its football program including how many scholarships it grants, pracice days, recruiting days, etc.

collegeballfan

December 27th, 2010
9:58 am

“Ohio State’s players aren’t stupid, but they are selfish:…”

Correct. And a reflection of the last 30 years of American life, “Me first!”.

Bulldawg1444

December 27th, 2010
10:00 am

Tony, Great article,and I hope you had a great Christmas. My biggest disappointment about the situation at Ohio St. is the difference in which the ncaa can dole out punishments according to their favorites. I truly think Jim Tressel is a man of integrity and a great coach. However I can not buy his explanation of the situation. If this had of been UGA,or Arkansas for that matter the players would have been suspended for the bowl game.That should have been the penalty in this case.Then let Ohio St. barter with the Sugar Bowl on lost revenue,if their is any.Ohio St. fans would have still poured to New Orleans in droves.Uga was given no choice in the ncaa destroying our season.North Carolina,USC, South Carolina,amongst others did not have choices either.It is time for the ncaa to be brought front and center.From the time Oklahoma and Georgia filed the law suit against the ncaa both their programs have been marked. The rest of the country owes the 2 schools with tha ba@@s to challenge the mighty ncaa gratitude every time they cash a TV check. Hopefully you and our other journalistic friends can help light a fire under their feet.Thaanks for all you do

mcg dawg

December 27th, 2010
10:03 am

Time to cut ties with Caleb….enough is enough!

UGA89

December 27th, 2010
10:07 am

goldwreck
The OSU Players sold more things and received services( free TATS ) than AJ did, thus two wrongs versus one, equals one more game out.
I bet there are a lot of bars and stores in college towns taking down items or at least thinking up a lie of how they got team items to hang on their wallsIf OSU players did it I know AUBURN players did it too!
I am pretty sure I same Cam’s Jock strap on the wall of a Zaxby’s in Alabama.

surfdawg

December 27th, 2010
10:07 am

I like Mark May but he is incorrect because an SEC team, ie Auburn, got the biggest gift of all. It’s someone else’s turn now.

JB

December 27th, 2010
10:07 am

I don’t think Mark can or will do anything to Caleb King, because I hear ( From a good source, a current young player on the team) that Ealey is barely staying in school himself. We lose those two and Crowell kid goes to Bama, Murray might set the NCAA record for pass attempts next year.

Joey

December 27th, 2010
10:11 am

I wish AJ could have taken his 4-game suspension in 2011!

The recruiting is scary, JB. I wonder if it has more to do with Richt’s hot seat or the losing (11 in two seasons)?

Whatever it is, we’ve run into a wall . . .

Jake

December 27th, 2010
10:12 am

OSU,, could play in the SEC.

GStateBen

December 27th, 2010
10:13 am

As mentioned on Tomahawk Nation, Texas Tech DC James Willis has resigned. Don’t be shocked if he’s headed to Gainesville to join Muschamp as DC. Very good recruiter and they’ve worked together at Auburn.

Jcatl

December 27th, 2010
10:14 am

I hope Arkansas beats tOSU so badly that the players who broke the rules wish they’d been suspended for that game too, and Tressel decides to make the rumor true and leave.

surfdawg

December 27th, 2010
10:17 am

Oh yeah Arkansas is going to beat them

UGA Insider

December 27th, 2010
10:17 am

2010 has probably been the worst in the history of UGA football. If anyone can name any others that come to mind please let me know……Losses, embarrassments and suspensions have made this a forgettable time. At this point there is so much negativity it’s hard to turn it around. It may be time to start anew and the CMR era end at UGA.

ntr

December 27th, 2010
10:19 am

patrick pass has a super bowl ring. do you tony? that’s what i thought.

Dawgone Hypocrites

December 27th, 2010
10:19 am

Funny to hear Dawg fans on here griping about OSU when their star receiver just got suspended THIS YEAR for selling his jersey!! LOL

JB

December 27th, 2010
10:20 am

Joey, if this years recruiting class is out of the top 20, look for the drums to start beating before the Boise kick off…..Richt could put a lot of this to rest by blowing out Boise on National TV….

surfdawg

December 27th, 2010
10:21 am

Sure INSIDER any of the time between Dooley and lets say, Donnan, just pick a year.

JB

December 27th, 2010
10:21 am

Dawgone Hyp…………………Or just laughing off along with the NCAA Cecil Newton shopping his son……….All’s fair here !

gadawgs

December 27th, 2010
10:22 am

Hey..I think AJ’s suspension should have been the first four games NEXT year just like the players at Ohio State. He could then turn pro before next year and not have to pay the piper just like the five from the Buckeye state. Their transgressions actually occured BEFORE AJ’s yet his suspension came before theirs.

Dawgone Hypocrites

December 27th, 2010
10:22 am

Surfdawg how did Auburn get a gift when they done nothing wrong? Can you folks not get it through your thick skulls that MSU is the only school that’s been implicated in the recruitment of Cam Newton? Drop it already and focus on turning your program around instead of smearing Auburn!!

bwell

December 27th, 2010
10:23 am

welcome back TB! Georgia need IC to come in and replace CK and make the RB position competive with WE and KM.

News Article: Latest Bama News 12/27/10

December 27th, 2010
10:24 am

Dawgone Hypocrites

December 27th, 2010
10:25 am

At our Christmas party there were actually folks STILL whining about Nick Fairley!! Get over it already…..YOU LOST!!

Why doesn't someone sue the NCAA on this?

December 27th, 2010
10:25 am

How can schools “give” players rings, jerseys, etc. and then tell them they can’t sell them? If the rule is rock solid, then they should put what they give them in escrow and “give” it to them when they are out of eligibility. Once they own it they should be allowed to do what the heck they want with it including selling it.

surfdawg

December 27th, 2010
10:26 am

DAWGONE me you and every one knows Cam new what his dad did. Quit running thru life with your blinders on

Paul in RDU

December 27th, 2010
10:28 am

Tony is going very easy on his friend at OSU, neatly ignoring some inconvenient items. As well as making the excuse that the players were inadequately educated on the NCAA rules, OSU’s AD also stated that the players sold the jerseys, etc. because it was a tough economic time and their families needed the money.
Tony has glossed over the biggest issue with the OSU case – how an organization allegedly dedicated to upholding amateur athletics ignores their own rules for monetary reasons.

Sandman053

December 27th, 2010
10:28 am

@ why doesn’t: I agree and have said before that each player should get a box to put all that stuff into and recieve the box when eligibility runs out. Not a hard concept, much like going to basic training and putting al your civilian stuff in a paper sack for the duration.

surfdawg

December 27th, 2010
10:28 am

DAWGONe what you meant to say was “We finally lost,get over it”

SOGADOG

December 27th, 2010
10:29 am

The NCAA enforcement division needs a major overhaul. Allowing the Ohio State players to play in the bowl game is just wrong. UGA did not have the option to play AJ Green in the South Carolina game which was the first game to roll around after his suspension became official. That game was as important to UGA as the Sugar Bowl is to Ohio State. A win at USC could have changed the course of the Dawg’s season. Green and as far as I know all the other players suspended this season did not get to play in a game before the suspension kicked in.

Also, despite the fact Cecil Newton offered to sell Cam’s quarterback services for 180K to Miss State, there was no NCAA action taken.

The NCAA’s enforcement actions this year have been arbitrary and capricious. Something must be done to correct the broken system in place now.

R.U.KIDDEN-ME???

December 27th, 2010
10:29 am

KEVIN@9:43 A.M.,IF YOU WHERE “ALL IN” YOU’D UNDERSTAND THE UNDERHANDED “BARNER LOGIC”!!!

Dawgone Hypocrites

December 27th, 2010
10:29 am

Cam “New” what his Dad did? First of all learn to speak English then I’ll address your mindless comments! I’ll be running out to Glendale to play for the BCS title while the porch pups play in the Weedeater Bowl!! LOL

JB

December 27th, 2010
10:29 am

UGA Insider…………It is coming to an end…….Not because I want him gone, but because of reality……Mark is stuck in a talent gap and does not have the players or talent on campus to get out of this NEXT YEAR ….. He would have to win 9, 10 games to survive……Maryland, Yes Maryland just fired the ACC coach of the year, an Alum, after winning 8 games….What is Georgia template? 6 wins ? 7 ? Who will they hire, not if.

Joey

December 27th, 2010
10:30 am

Haha, Surfdawg, Goff was inept, wasn’t he?

JB, I hope Richt can turn it around, and beating Boise would go a long way to getting UGA back on the map.

We are so off the national sports radar right now, ESPN.com doesn’t even list our bowl game suspensions in their headlines!

OT

December 27th, 2010
10:31 am

Is Caleb King destined to become another Patrick Pass?

That’s a helluva cheapshot to take on Pass, Tony. While Pass may have never lived up to the expectations at Georgia that folks like you envisioned, I would say that what he did after leaving Georgia more than made up for it. He graduated with a degree, which is something that Mr. King is not on track to do. Pass also enjoyed an 8 year career in the National Football League with the New England Patriots and New York Giants as a backup running back and special teams hawk, collecting 3 Super Bowl Rings with New England. If King is destined to be like Pass, he better get his act together, and soon.

Again, that was a gratuitus cheapshot to take on a damn good dog, about a man who was able to excel both personally and professionally.

Sandman053

December 27th, 2010
10:31 am

@ hypocite actually we played the weedeater bowl last year…this year I think we are playing in the ” we lost to almost everybody bowl”

JB

December 27th, 2010
10:33 am

AU-Cam-Fairley-4OL starters= Georgia this year….Welcome home Tigers.

surfdawg

December 27th, 2010
10:34 am

DAWGONE It’s about time Auburn runs off to a decent bowl. Enjoy because next year you will be back to same old Auburn

Nat

December 27th, 2010
10:34 am

Tony, I don’t think NCAA Div-I football can sink any lower, can it? The system is so flawed that people are trying to find ways to justify letting players make money? Does ANYONE, anywhere, remember this premise: “Hey, kid, come play football for our university and in return you can pursue a college degree – for FREE – from our prestigious school.” Everybody – myself included – needs to get heads out of sand, look hard at the situation, and decide if saving ANY remaining standards of decency in this nation is a worthwhile endeavor. Otherwise, what’s the point ?

Dawgone Hypocrites

December 27th, 2010
10:35 am

Here we are again arguing about Cam Newton, going over the same ground we’ve been over a million times now. Can we just let it go and talk some football! All these wanna-be amateur sleuths trying to “determine” what happened….ENOUGH!! The NCAA ruled he’s eligible! Quit beating a dead horse already no one wants to hear your petty whining anymore!!

R.U.KIDDEN-ME???

December 27th, 2010
10:36 am

THAT GOES DOUBLE FOR Dawgone Hypocrites!!!! ORANGE KOOL-AID KILL’S!!!!!

Columbus Dawg

December 27th, 2010
10:37 am

I think JB is right, if Richt does not handle Caleb King correctly, (and Ealey if he is in the same boat), then the drums for his leaving Athens will start up sooner rather than later. Richt’s most important recruiting class of his career is 2011. Adams and McGarity have had the benefit of the doubt so to speak on their unquestioned support of Richt from the money people thus far. This will change quickly if CMR does not make the correct decisions concerning discipline. The fan base will put a lot of stock in the success of the recruiting class. These are two very important 2011 sticking points that will make or break Richt at Georgia. The bad part about this is that these two things start almost imediately, and Richt will not address either issue. Very telling IMO.

surfdawg

December 27th, 2010
10:38 am

I agree DAWGONE don”t bring it up again

Beast from the East

December 27th, 2010
10:39 am

Tony,
The only rule we have in Gainesville about ex-Dawgs as coaches is NO BOBO and NO WILLIE!
LOL!!!!!!!!!!

Dawgone Hypocrites

December 27th, 2010
10:40 am

Funny how everyone is DESPERATE for Cam to go pro after this year! He might not even be a first-round pick according to most draft experts, including Mel Kiper. I heard three different experts say he should stay in school for one more year……Your worst nightmare JB!! Wouldn’t be so quick to say he’s gone….

surfdawg

December 27th, 2010
10:41 am

Yes Joey throw Goff in there to

NCAA

December 27th, 2010
10:42 am

Everyone knows that we’re all about the money. Why else would we be letting Cam play at Auburn ? The NCAA hammer will fall on Auburn only after we have raked in our cash after the championship game. Who in their right mind wants to watch TCU battle Oregon ? Who wants to watch Arkansas play an OSU team without Pryor and a couple of others ? This has always been about the money. You folks are stupid if you think that we didn’t know about Reggie Bush years ago. Show me the money$$$$$$$

Ers

December 27th, 2010
10:42 am

How embarassing for the state to see this on the main yahoo sports page

3 Georgia players ineligible for bowl
3 more Ga. Tech players to miss 1st half

So it’s just Ga schools that check the academic status? Cause I don’t see any other schools doing this and I find it very hard to believe no schools like miami fsu lsu bama fla aub and tenn don’t have any issues with academics and their jocks.

Dawg85

December 27th, 2010
10:43 am

Goldwreck,

The Ohio State players received an extra game suspension because they lied to the NCAA the first time they were asked about it. Therefore, they received an extra game on top of the 4 game suspension.

Really??

December 27th, 2010
10:45 am

Are we really still talking about Cecil Newton? Some folks have no life whatsoever…..

NCAA

December 27th, 2010
10:45 am

Dez Bryant lied to us last year and we suspended his a$$ all year .

wes

December 27th, 2010
10:47 am

Mark Richt has almost destroyed Georgia’s once proud program. Another failure of discipline before we play a critical game. I do not understand how anyone in Atlanta or Bulldogs everywhere can support this rapid decline of our program. 7-5 followed by 6-6 is simply UNACCEPTABLE at Georgia TONY! If you want to be a CHAMPION you have to think and behave like one. The Georgia team under Mark Richt the last 5 years is the DUMBEST team in college football. All those “athletes” we recruit can’t think or behave. We have guys who can run fast, but they are NEVER in position on defense to make plays because they are dumb. Are there not any SMART football players in the state of Georgia who can play defense for us – especially the secondary? Our secondary is the most piss poor bunch of DB’s in the SEC. They can run though. Unfortunately they cannot think, tackle, or cover anyone. It doesn’t matter how f____ fast you are if you can’t think and read QBs and other parts of the offense. We absolutely SUCK on defense. Is this the best the state of Georgia can produce? The answer is HELL NO! Mark Richt has damaged our program so much I wonder how we will be able to recruit the top players in Georgia. After all, if you are a top player in Georgia, would you want to play for this lame duck/soft as warm butter coach? Hey, but Mark Richt is a great guy and he goes to Sunday School – let’s give him more time to destroy our program. If the Georgia administration had any real BALLS he would have been fired already! FIRE MARK RICHT NOW!

NCAA

December 27th, 2010
10:47 am

HEY GUYS I am a clueless idiot who hides behind screen names while my Mom is at work!

Mike

December 27th, 2010
10:49 am

Wonder what happens when all the millionaires get together and realize they can create a development league and lure all the top talent out of college football and these players get paid. It’s gonna happen. Happens in every sport but football. Bye Bye college football as you know it.

NCAA

December 27th, 2010
10:51 am

No , I am a hypocritical orginazation ran by people who’s only objective is making money instead of the student athlete.

Paul in RDU

December 27th, 2010
10:52 am

Dawg85 – The Ohio State players received an extra game suspension because they did not inform the NCAA in November 2009 when they received the “adequate education” on the NCAA rules. At that time they knew that they had committed violations but kept it quiet – a little different from lying to the NCAA but in the same spirit (and another violation of the rules).

BigTimeTECHFan

December 27th, 2010
10:54 am

I don’t see how NCAA can let OSU player play in Bowl game, that’s crazy.

King – Overated to begin with, Ken Malcome and Ealy will be better. good back but after his JR year in HS people were saying he was one of the top 5 backs in the country. Ealy better.

Tech – Give CPJ credit for sticking to the rules, I glad Attaochu (Sp?) gets more playing time, he’s been playing the best of the LB’s the last few weeks, plus more reps for next year for him and Watts.

Jacket play tonight!

surfdawg

December 27th, 2010
10:56 am

Paul it’s not Dawg85″s fault the AJC did’nt pick up on the biggest story of the week until today

producewiz

December 27th, 2010
10:56 am

You are 100% right Tony. Georgia has not beaten the Gators much in over 20 years, so the Dawgs are doing CIA stuff to them.Gator coaches with Dawg connections.Maybe we will hire Goff and Martinez.That ought to do it.New AD at Georgia is no dummy.

anotherdawg

December 27th, 2010
10:59 am

I think I understand. By NCAA actions, to draw the worst penalty is to admit your infraction. To draw a delayed penalty, lie. Or to get off scott free, have no knowlege. lol

NeoDawg

December 27th, 2010
10:59 am

Nobody loves college sports more than me, but a little context here regarding athletes getting paid. UGA had $24m in Intellectual Property (IP) licensing revenue in 2008 compared with Ath Dept’s $70m in revenue. Since $22.8m of the AD revenue came from the Hartman Fund – revenue from actual ops was $47.2m – about twice that from IP licensing revenue but in the same ball park. According to UGA IP rules – the originator of IP must be an employee (i.e. a professor) to get any portion of the licensing fee. If it is a UGA originated research program (kind of like fielding a football team) – UGA is considered the originator and keeps all of the money. Students work on these projects and get nothing except perhaps some tuition fees and maybe a stipend (the equivalent of room and board if that). So the idea of a student at UGA doing work that generates revenue for the university and not getting paid while learning is not unprecedented. The students who work on these IP-related projects, get valuable professional skills and a degree they can use after graduating. So – UGA gets the vast majority of the revenue, some university employee (similar to a coach) MAY make a decent amount of $$ (it has to be their idea) and the students get a learning experience and perhaps some UGA expenses covered. Sounds perfectly analogous to an Athletic Scholarship. Enough with the whining about not paying student athletes while they earn millions for UGA while getting an education- they are not alone. GO TO CLASS and GO DAWGS!

surfdawg

December 27th, 2010
11:00 am

Emmert won’t be head of the NCAA long showing such inconsistency in enforcing the rules

SOS Dawg

December 27th, 2010
11:01 am

Only UGA has stupid playa’s

Sugg Id

December 27th, 2010
11:04 am

Very simple. Cam will go pro because his signing bonus in the NFL will be larger, albeit slightly, than his at Auburn.

1eyedJack

December 27th, 2010
11:06 am

As ol’ Granny used to say, “That boy would forget his head if it were’nt stuck on top of his neck!” Van Halanger, here are your first clients. If not for his physical gifts Caleb would have already flunked out of Technical College.

Shouldn’t OSU players be required to return those illegal benefits?

Coach O

December 27th, 2010
11:08 am

Any remaining doubts about the NCAA’s priorities should now be laid to rest. Revenues first… Ethics last. Now the Sugar Bowl also has an asterisk in waiting — unless the Razorbacks prevail.

Dontavius Supremo

December 27th, 2010
11:08 am

Welcome back Tony. I have missed your writing. By the way, you’re right about Caleb King. What an utter disappointment he has been to the Georgia people. As for the Tech gius missing curfew, you just have to scratch your head, don’t you? Smart enought to go to Tech, but too dumb to get in bed to time. Ah well, the passing parade. Happy new Year, everybody!

Paul in RDU

December 27th, 2010
11:09 am

surfdawg – I have no beef with Dawg85 – just trying to state the facts on the OSU case.

We all know the truth

December 27th, 2010
11:10 am

We now know that unbridaled government sponsored social programs cannot rehab society. LBJ in 65 attempted to do that by ” changing poverty as we know it” and 45 years later, a massive failure is his Great Society.

NCAA is attempting to do that same thing. The universities are simply misguided. Look at Caleb and Ealey and AJ and now the Ohio State kids or the GT kids that are suspended or that DE thug from GT that mandhandled his girl or the one from UGA that did the same thing.

NCAA needs to install RIGOROUS NEW academic requirements across the board and at the same time, get the US public to insist that the NFL develop a minor league program for incorrigibles and ball players. Any kid that does decide on college ……………..will have to play 4 years and then and only then he can turn pro. The so called 5 star and 4 stars all will go to the minor league, where they will be taught basic conversational English, and table manners and general comportment within main stream society ……………..thusly, lifting that burden from colleges. These kids will all earn $200,000 per year for two or three years, lifting weights, running, doing rough PT and tackling drills all at the expense of NFL. See? THEY ALONE should bare that financial burden, not the U of SO and SO.

Problem solved.

terry

December 27th, 2010
11:11 am

I am so disappointed at Emmert. He was highly thought of & respected when he was at LSU & now he has lost it. The NCAA knows they screwed up the whole Cam thing & now are trying to make amends. I’m not condoning what the Ohio State guys did but come on…

Tony, you will see this stuff continuing until they re-address the Cam issue.

You CANNOT shop a player without any retribution & expect other schools to play by the rules after they see others getting away with it.

Cecil

December 27th, 2010
11:12 am

Cam will be back in ‘11. The $200K was for two seasons . . .

Dawgone Hypocrites

December 27th, 2010
11:13 am

I think Cam is soooo CUTE.
Cecil is a bit old for me. but still fine!

surfdawg

December 27th, 2010
11:18 am

Paul no beef intended. It was actually a jab at AJC for being so late on the story

Bob Horner had a big fro

December 27th, 2010
11:18 am

Yawn. Sorry, Tony, but all of this is REALLY old news and commentary. The average fans calling in to 680 have been saying these things already. You come back from vacation and this is all you have? I want your job.

David

December 27th, 2010
11:18 am

Tony, I don’t care for Florida, but you shouldn’t have a say so concerning the gators. You sound like the biggest Ga sour grapes guy. Instead of Ga guys acting like crying little girls, why don’t you just hold Ga accountable for getting their annual butt kicking? Or just stick your tonque at them.
Stay away from talking about Ga or Florida. Only then do you sound like you don’t have a axe to grind.

SuperB

December 27th, 2010
11:18 am

At least Patrick Pass wound up playing in the NFL. I doubt Caleb King will.

Brian

December 27th, 2010
11:24 am

As an OSU alumni I am embarrassed to read about what Pryor et al, did to their teammates. A colleague that attended graduate school with me and did play football at OSU, was adamant that football players received preferential treatment but always within the NCAA ‘rules’.
I agree with you Tony that coaches and AD’s should not be making excuses when it comes from knowing right from wrong. The culture of excusing bad behavior needs to stop as young men mature. Though his record at OSU has been stellar (30-4) Pryor’s biggest criticism has been his lack of maturity. This just reinforces that argumnent.

Beast from the East

December 27th, 2010
11:30 am

surfdawg

December 27th, 2010
11:33 am

Thank you BRIAN for representing all OSU level headed fans out there. Wish some fans west of the GA. state line were as honest with themselves as you are. The beef for me anyways in both cases lie at the NCAA”s feat. DAWGONE did I spell everything correctly?

IRISH DAWG

December 27th, 2010
11:34 am

AUBURN PLAYERS ARE RECEIVING MONEY IN CASH, SO IT CAN NOT BE TRACE.FROM AUBURN BOOSTERS.A BLIND MAN CAN SEE THAT. AUBURN THE INVESTIGATION IS NOT OVER ,JUST ASK USC,IT TOOK ALL MOST 5 YEARS.

Denver Dog

December 27th, 2010
11:38 am

The more I read your work Tony, the more I believe that Henry Grady and others like Lewis Grizzard cringe from above, every time they read your crazy rants. If anyone doesn’t know what is going on in college football they should read, Pony Excess on ESPN 30/30. The next big question, why do so called journalists not ask the basic question, If Miss State met the demand of $180,000.00, why did he go to Auburn. Early on when Cam was allowed to speak to the media he said, “My father made the decision to go to Auburn” ? Where is the journalism Tony? A lot of wise investigative journalists from good schools say “follow the money”, what is it with you and the other sports media elite with this cover up? War Chest Eagle?

Denver Dog

December 27th, 2010
11:40 am

Best Rumor of the season, Tony will do some real journalism, print or electronic.

surfdawg

December 27th, 2010
11:50 am

I’ll tell you DENVER DOG, Tony lost me when one week he called for Grantham to be suspended and fined for a harmless choke signal, That I agree was in poor taste, the next week said Fairley did nothing wrong and should not be suspended for trying to end a young quarterbacks career.

[...] Ohio States players not stupid but they are selfish — Atlanta Journal Constitution blog [...]

Gator Mike

December 27th, 2010
11:53 am

In the case of the Ohio St issue, these guys know the rules, and the AD at OSU knows it. The NCAA, Big Ten and OSU blew it on this one. Tese clowns should not be allowed to play in the bowl game. The powers to be sure piled on UGA and AJ Green; therefore, why do the OSU guys not sit immediately. It is all about BCS money, and we all know it. Additionally, OSU has never beaten an SEC team in football; therefore, the Big Ten is giving them a break.
OSU has an opportunity to make a point for all NCAA schools that nobody is bigger than the school, but they appear to be turning their pompous heads away from the truth. Also note that he president of OSU, Gordon Gee, is the same jerk who dissolved the Athletic Dept. at Vandy and said that Boise St and TCU are not worthy to play in the BCS.
OSU is now in the same class as Southern Cal with respect to rules and responsibility.
The Big Ten is a joke!

Joe

December 27th, 2010
11:55 am

Caleb has to try the NFL, period. He has no desire to play at a college level and he feels he has learned all what’s necessary to succed on Sundays. So….why the heck wait one more year? Just get the few bucks they will trhow at you and try your best on Sunday and, who knows, you might get to show in the NFL what you haven’t been able to do in college. One thing is for sure, your potential teammates will not be so caring as the ones you have now. But….., go on and good luck to you.

Joey

December 27th, 2010
11:57 am

At what point do we stop referring to 21-23 year olds as “kids?”

surfdawg

December 27th, 2010
11:58 am

I just don’t think Caleb has what it takes to play on Sunday’s GATOR MIKE. Let’s face it, he really has not lit it up at Georgia yet.

surfdawg

December 27th, 2010
12:00 pm

I’m sorry I did’nt mean GATOR MIKE I meant JOE

juice sourcer

December 27th, 2010
12:09 pm

Rules are meant to be broken…especially when they are dumb and hypocritical. The school can sell a players jersey and get $200+ for it but a player can’t trade his for a tatoo….completely insane…college football is all about hypocrisy…America’s youth will not stand by and let the older generation dictate crazy, hypocritical rules and laws. Someone better take a stand on a different position because this type of thing is going to continue to happen.

Supes

December 27th, 2010
12:11 pm

I’m sorry Tony, but Mark May said it RIGHT on ESPN when he blasted the NCAA for their handling of the Ohio State Players situation.

How do you think they would have reacted if it was an SEC player that did those things….he wouldn’t see the field for the bowl game for sure. It would be immediate, not next season.

Sorry Tony, calling it like it is…DOUBLE STANDARDS for sure.

juice sourcer

December 27th, 2010
12:15 pm

Tony, it’s not the Ohio State players who are being selfish…it’s the institutions that are being selfish…we want all the money and you young men who sacrifice your asses off get nothing. You tell me who the selfish ones are.

surfdawg

December 27th, 2010
12:16 pm

JUICE SOURCER kids with views like yours wind up in prison everyday because rules were made to be followed

surfdawg

December 27th, 2010
12:18 pm

The kids get a free education worth about 60 or 70 thousand over 4 years

NORRIS

December 27th, 2010
12:23 pm

The punishment does not fit the crime.
I agree the kids should suffer some kind of punishment but 5 games is not just a penalty on the kid. But on the team, the fans and the university. As well as the community that is affected.
The punishment should come in the way of community service or something like that. Look at the NFL they dont suspend that harshly for rape and murder!
5 games does not leave you anywhere else to go for worse crimes. The rule is extreme.

joe

December 27th, 2010
12:28 pm

Patrick Pass played forever in the pros. As usual TB has a point to make and misses the opportunity entirely. maybe 2011 will be nicer to TB.
Tony, did you win the blog contest for the AJC.

Joey

December 27th, 2010
12:33 pm

So, just to be clear, King breaks a UGA rule and has to miss the bowl game. OSU’s players break NCAA rules to the extent they get 5 game suspensions, yet they get to play in the bowl game.

Yeah, that makes sense . . .

hop

December 27th, 2010
12:34 pm

How does Tony keep a job,with the comparison of Patrick Pass is pathetic. and tony he does have a sugar bowl ring.

that anology has to go down as one of the worse that i have ever seem in an article.

maybe when georgia sacks cmr,the ajc will do the same with tony

tony, you are a disgrace as a writer !

karin

December 27th, 2010
12:35 pm

We love THE Ohio State University.
Go BUCKS!!!

karin

December 27th, 2010
12:40 pm

BTW it’s not OSU; it’s THE Ohio State University

jarvis

December 27th, 2010
12:50 pm

What if Pryor’s dad had asked Terrell to autograph some stuff, and then traded that stuff for a tattoo for Terrell but tol Terrell that the tatoo had been paid for.

That’d be OK, right?

Ole Man Dan

December 27th, 2010
12:53 pm

The NCAA is proving to be as entertaining as ‘Wrestling’. This year they have a new story line almost every week. Just like the WWF, we all know it’s fake.
Even the NCAA can’t be as stupid as the part they’ve played against Auburn & Ohio State.
The brains at the NCAA make Cecil Newton look like a evil genius… :)

Just Sayin

December 27th, 2010
1:00 pm

Have not read all of the posts but didn’t AJ Green sell his jersey to an NFL agent? Didn’t Reggie Bush’s parents receive their goodies from an agent? Didn’t the Bama player that missed the Utah game because of agent tampering? Has there been any indication the OSU 5’s dealings had any connection with any agent? If so, I haven’t heard it or read it. Isn’t that the difference? Maybe that is the line in the sand so to speak for the NCAA. However, I do I disagree with the title statement, I think the OSU players are very stouped.

Bwood Dawg

December 27th, 2010
1:01 pm

Mint Berry Crunch – Ask Brookwood people about Caleb King- left for GAC because he would not have been able to pass Ga high school exit exam at brookwood and he absolutely cannot do college work, only at uga to run ball.

Caleb King never attended Brookwood. Parkview was where he could not make it.

FRED

December 27th, 2010
1:05 pm

CALEB NEEDS HELP NOT CRIPICISM.

jarvis

December 27th, 2010
1:08 pm

What kind of help, Fred?

debit card

December 27th, 2010
1:12 pm

the geniuses on the NCAA governing committee probably did not think about looking at other ways to get the Newton family money. If a transaction took place, doubt anyone would be stupid enough to deposit money in a bank. Did they think about handing the father a debit card with 200K on it? Ohio State kids bartered for tatoos and they are out 5 games but the Newton saga just lives on

BTW what is in Shreveport to do that would break curfew? GAMBLING Tony, hello..casinos with free drinks..where have you been?

mike

December 27th, 2010
1:20 pm

First let’s get off the hate the Cam Newton bandwagon. Don’t get uptight with him because you lack the talent at any level. And so what about those OSU players. Everybody makes money off these players except themselves. Always the goobers who have to dictate what others should or should not be doing. Most likely that is not the only school with players who do it. If players on other team could win some awards they would do the same. Problem for them is they have to win something during the season.

Paul N Destin

December 27th, 2010
1:25 pm

OSU got a mulligan due to the way the Cam deal played out (as of today). Remember the NCAA is really the Big 10. Spring in Alabama will not bode well for the Auburn Tigers. The banker, the dogtrack guy and the yellowman will finally pay the price. Karma is a batch.

seabass

December 27th, 2010
1:30 pm

Tony, who annoited you Mr. College Football? Is that a self proclaimation? And what does your friendship with Smith have to do with this article? The worst part of this is you really think you know something about college football and college football situations.

juice sourcer

December 27th, 2010
1:33 pm

“rules were made to be followed”…it that right surfdawg…I guess that means you would have lined up and followed Hiltler’s rules…right? You are wrong…dumb, hypocritical rules are MADE to be broken..it’s how change occurs…it’s how we move along as a civilization…for example…prohibition would still be around if people didn’t refuse to follow the rules…these NCAA rules need to be BROKEN.

AFDawg

December 27th, 2010
1:42 pm

Sugg Id, You’re right — stupid comparison. I think he meant to say Jasper Sanks.

Goldwreck, Not only did they sell a lot more for more money, they also received freebies from a tatoo parlor — thus teh harsher penalty.

gcs

December 27th, 2010
1:44 pm

Welcome back Tony!

Cam-gate was strike one. The Ohio State ruling is strike two. Mark Emmert is off to a very poor start as NCAA prez. There is NO WAY you can convince me the Buckeye players did not know what they did is wrong.

Isn’t it interesting that while these transgressions occurred in 2009, it took until December 2010 for this story to emerge? That is three months after AJ Green’s suspension made national news.

If truly, the fault lies with AD Gene Smith and coach Jim Tressel, why are they not being suspended & fined?

.

AFDawg

December 27th, 2010
1:46 pm

Karin, No it isn’t — it’s Oklahoma State University. Or maybe you like Oregon State University better. Who cares?

Nick

December 27th, 2010
1:56 pm

King could dominate if he didn’t have Mike Bobo the Bozo for his coach who only calls 5 rushing plays a game.

Just Sayin

December 27th, 2010
2:02 pm

AFDawg, as we know of today, what was the total of the AJ Green agent transaction and what was each of the OSU players “take?” Maybe the NCAA was harsher on AJ Green not only because he sold his private property to an NFL agent but the fact that the Clarke County jail has been so prevalent in UGA football these past 12 months. I think the NCAA has used this term in the past. “lack of institutional control.”

Unlike the UGA 12 + 1. The OSU 5 and Cam Newton can not be arrested and or convicted for what they did. I would also include AJ Green and the private sell of his personal belongings.

Nimrod Spacer

December 27th, 2010
2:08 pm

Tony, you missed the point in the Ohio St. case, which was why the NCAA did not suspend the players for the bowl game. Apparently TV ratings affected the ruling. Anyway, this has been the season of the NCAA and ESPN. Never before has it beem more demonstrated that the NCAA simply makes up rules as they go along. And never before has a television entity controlled so much of college football like ESPN, whose power has now gone way beyond moving game times. Now they are actually involved in the scheduling of games and the creation of bowl games. Only three bowl games are televised this year outside ESPN. Since the NCAA weighs TV ratings in their decision, and ESPN essentially now owns the sport, why not let ESPN enforce eligibility rules using TV ratings as the determining factor? Silly? Sure. But college football has always been the silliest of sports with its various poll systems. What’s one more nutty aspect? At least, in an effort to drive up the all-important ratings, ESPN would be more transparent in its deliberations.

SCAM NEWTON

December 27th, 2010
2:15 pm

ROTFL, Tony you can’t be serious. They made 2Gs, I made 200Gs, but I not only am going to play in the National Championship, but they gave me the heisman. W/200,000 I can buy a lot of tats. Just saying……Signed $cam Newton

Just Sayin

December 27th, 2010
2:15 pm

Follow the money. The NCAA needs to protect the money of the Sugar Bowl/ESPN et.al. But don’t dare let the mules who plow the fields see any of the money. Many years ago, Jim Brown equated the NCAA with the slave era plantations. What would happen if the top 25-30 NCAA football powers broke from the NCAA and became NAIA schools?

FEAR THE TIGERS

December 27th, 2010
2:52 pm

What’s really funny about all this alleged PFP nonsense is the amount of money discussed. Yeah 180k is a lot of money to some but it’s really small potatoes when you look at the revenue CF generates. AU Football MADE over $50 mil last year alone. Players in the NFL are getting tens of millions a year now, 180k is a heck of a bargain when you really think about it. Yes these kids get a free education but do you really think they go to a big-time school for that? How many billions will be generated off these players while we sit here arguing about 180k? Seems kind of trivial….

Coach O

December 27th, 2010
2:56 pm

@FEAR THE TIGERS

I agree. Cam was a good deal for Auburn. Who cares about a few asterisks?

FEAR THE TIGERS

December 27th, 2010
2:59 pm

And don’t start with “Cam’s Daddy broke the rules”, blah, blah, etc. ALL these schools bend or break the rules, every single one of them. It’s just a matter of who gets caught and who doesn’t. To the clown who states “Auburn will go down” be careful what you wish for. The whole SEC could be brought down if the NCAA really starts poking deep into the shady world of CF recruiting. Dirty tricks and payoffs are only the beginning……

Just Sayin

December 27th, 2010
3:03 pm

Didn’t ESPN sign a television rights contract with the SEC for $2 Billion? 2 BILLION! Cams price would be .00009 % of that total, if my math is correct. What is the television rights for the Sugar Bowl and how do we find out what ESPN is taking in per minute for advertising? Can’t figure out why the OSU 5 are playing in the Sugar Bowl? Really?

FEAR THE TIGERS

December 27th, 2010
3:05 pm

Enter your comments here

dap01

December 27th, 2010
3:10 pm

Why didn’t the Ohio State players simply say that their fathers sold the stuff? The NCAA and most sports writers are blind hypocrits.

FEAR THE TIGERS

December 27th, 2010
3:11 pm

Yep they did “Just Sayin” and last April the NCAA negotiated a $10.8 BILLION TV deal for the rights to the men’s basketball tournament. That’s Billion with a B! And then they wanna tell these kids they can’t get paid anything? An education is worth a lot but I can assure you it’s not worth THAT MUCH! Then half of these kids leave school early to get paid and never get a degree anyway!

Uncle Jesse

December 27th, 2010
3:15 pm

cannot believe that with Ohio state’s selfish actions they gave me a reason to pull for Petrino’s Arkansas team. Rooting for the S.E.C. was going to be hard with Petrino coaching,but now I’ve got a real reason to root for Arkansas…thanks Terrelle .

FEAR THE TIGERS

December 27th, 2010
3:17 pm

I saw it firsthand at AU as football players were given grades I know they couldn’t have possibly earned. Meanwhile students like us go to class, study for the tests, yet still don’t get as good a grade as an athlete who no one has even seen in class since the first day! What’s wrong with this picture?

FEAR THE TIGERS

December 27th, 2010
3:37 pm

I love Auburn but I despise Bobby Lowder and his cronies on the BOT. We almost lost our SACS accreditation in ‘03 because of Lowder’s actions. SACS specifically mentioned “micro-management” by the BOT over the athletics dept. The whole Jet-gate fiasco was the last straw for the AU family. The handling of Coach TT’s “resignation” (He was actually fired) was awful. Lowder’s term on the BOT expires in April, let’s hope with Colonial Bank imploding, that he does NOT return!! He has done enough damage already, and we are all tired of his meddling in AU’s football program!

MikeP

December 27th, 2010
3:40 pm

Kevin
December 27th, 2010
9:32 am
“They should have gotten Cecil Newton to sell them…then all would have been square with the NCAA.”

Nah, Cecil Newton can’t get any money. These guys wanted and got money.

MikeP

December 27th, 2010
3:43 pm

dap01
December 27th, 2010
3:10 pm
“Why didn’t the Ohio State players simply say that their fathers sold the stuff? The NCAA and most sports writers are blind hypocrits.”

Because they got money, and if their fathers had got money, they’d still be facing the same punishment.

Ben

December 27th, 2010
3:43 pm

Tony, who on Earth is saying these kids didn’t know the rules or they didn’t get what was coming to them????

The main issue, at least for most rational humans is the fact that the NCAA doesn’t even try to hide behind the fact that it’s in the pocket of big money. How in the world they can justify ruling that they did in fact break the rules but can STILL play in the bowl game is beyond me. It’s so shamefully transparent why and incredibly sad. Another body blow to a sport I love.

Embarassing.

Dan

December 27th, 2010
3:47 pm

GO AIR FORCE!!!!

tikga

December 27th, 2010
4:02 pm

@ FEAR THE TIGERS

The FBI investigation will bring down Lowder but it also may bring down the Auburn program as well.

ex-Terp

December 27th, 2010
4:03 pm

TB, just for sh*ts and giggles, would you like to amend your comments about the Ohio State players in light of of what MD Athletic Director said about firing Ralph Friedgen (”…it was a business decision…”)? C’mon Tony. You don’t strike me as the type to offer the NCAA/BCS a Mulligan, (”we all know the system is unfair”), and since the NCAA/BCS likes the status quo, how ’bout giving the kids a Mulligan. The “integrity” of the BCS oligarchy aside, this is still the United States of America, and student-athletes still have rights… unless, of course, they’ve chosen to surrender certain rights in exchange for gainful employment. Then again, were they, they’d have no need to sell jerseys and bowl swag.

poopdawg

December 27th, 2010
4:07 pm

The NCCA showed their hairy butts with OSU. On the Auburn deal with Cam Newton , until i here that the Newton’s financial records have been examined and cleared, the story is not over. Both OSU and Auburn storys makes you go hmmmm. Barnhart , you better clarify why you dragged Pass’ name down.

Lindsey

December 27th, 2010
4:08 pm

I hate to say this, but I am getting sick of Caleb King. This young man has been given a great opportunity and keeps making stupid decisions. I don’t blame this on CMR or anyone else besides Caleb. He needs to think about his team and how his actions effects others. Best of luck Bulldogs Friday, GO DAWGS!!!

catlady

December 27th, 2010
4:15 pm

Perfidy, thy name is NCAA.

It’s all about the money. All of it–Cam Newton, the Ohio State team, you name it. Sell your soul for a sack of gold.

How do we get out of the NCAA?

Why was AJ Green supposed to “know” the guy was “sorta” an agent, but the Ohio state players, for years, have not been “educated” about the rules? How, when the next Cam Newton wants a little pay for play, is it okay for a member of his family to “shop him” and as long as he didn’t do it, it doesn’t count? (Now I can see if I had tried to shop Cam, with no relationship or blood between us, that it should not taint him. But his daddy doing it? It opens up a huge can of worms from here on.) And we all know how this ruling came about, and why.

The NCAA is too tainted to continue. Pure and simple. It’s a racket. Surprised Jack McCoy on Law and Order hasn’t taken it to the woodshed.

Just Sayin

December 27th, 2010
4:24 pm

poopdawg, is the story over on the double digit arrests in Athens? Are you satisfied with the police reports and actions of the courts? Some would say the NCAA showed they had no hairy cajones in ignoring what is going on at UGA and UF. We have an under/over at work each year. WIll UGA have more off season arrests or victories? Cam did not break any laws, neither did the OSU 5. Instead of going hmmmm, tell us how CMR is going to clean up his cesspool of a program.

juice sourcer

December 27th, 2010
4:34 pm

Catlady is dead on…it’s a racket and Mister College Football is in on the racket..he is one of them…I wonder how much he makes while being part of this..sorry to say…but it’s the truth.

Delbert D.

December 27th, 2010
4:35 pm

“Ohio State’s players not stupid”

How do you know they are are not stupid Tony?

poopdawg

December 27th, 2010
4:37 pm

Just Sayin, cesspool ? Yeah we have some real death penalties cases in Athens . I believe most were traffic violations . If you have spent any time in Athens without a ticket then you didn’t drive. Cam hasn’t broken any laws? It could hit the fan after the bowl game . Please show me the report where the Newton’s financial records were eximined and cleared.

poopdawg

December 27th, 2010
4:38 pm

Examined, that is!

Big Ten

December 27th, 2010
4:40 pm

Discipline here is nonexistent. We’ll put off missing games until we are injured or go pro!

Delbert D.

December 27th, 2010
4:41 pm

Exhumed, maybe?

Just Sayin

December 27th, 2010
4:56 pm

NCAA guielines? Maybe. Laws? Nope. FBI already investigated the dad for extortion. Neither D.A. from Auburn or Columbus, Ohio could bring criminal charges or a case against Cam or the OSU 5.It is not illegal to negotiate the terms of your employment nor to seel privately owned property.

Just Sayin

December 27th, 2010
4:57 pm

Sorry, sell. Need spell check.

Poopdawg

December 27th, 2010
5:09 pm

Js, Recently Cam hasn’t broken any laws but his laptop just broke. Show me the statement from the FBI that the Newton’s financial record is clean.

simplythetruth

December 27th, 2010
5:13 pm

The Dawgs would be so much better off without King. He sets a terrible example for the younger players. He doesn’t have a work ethic and just doesn’t “get it”, life in general, at all. There are just some people in this old world that all you can say is, “bless his heart” and move on. King is that personality type.

Say What?

December 27th, 2010
5:24 pm

Caleb King, the next Patrick Pass? You mean the guy whose NFL career lasted six seasons, which produced three Super Bowl rings? King can only hope.

Old Dawg

December 27th, 2010
5:50 pm

Like many folks, I’m sick and tired of Caleb King’s inability to follow the guidelines set up by the UGA Athletic Department and football team. I’m also disappointed by the inability of the coaching staff and compliance folks to keep tabs on players and their shortfalls.

I really hope CMR makes the right decisions in the next few weeks to right this wayward ship of a football program.

As for the Ohio State players, I agree with everything Tony wrote.

Tony Geinzer

December 27th, 2010
5:50 pm

Tony, I find Ohio State being 6-6 OR Worse could damage the Big Ten’s Credibility as Nebraska adds NOTHING to the table outside Football and sure, you can have the Kentucky’s , Vanderbilts, Arkansas, Mississippi State win the SEC or Northwestern, Indiana, Minnesota and Michigan State win the Big Ten Outright in these next few wild and crazy Bowl/Playoff Years, but, truth be told, that is what will happen in the next 5 Years and I feel that the Buckeye 5 sold out the state of Ohio, which is starving for jobs and Coach Tressel and AD Smith.

THEGAME

December 27th, 2010
6:03 pm

To the fools who believe the FBI is looking into the Auburn/Cam Newton deal, you are a fool. They interviewed one person. The bag man at Mississippi State. Keeny Rogers refused to meet with the FBI. The FBI is involved because teh agent dealings and extortion. Rogers would have been providing an ineligible player to MSU.

The FBI is not involved with Lowder and the TARP funds. That would be the Treasury Department. Any other fools expecting some kind of indicments to Auburn football.

Also the NCAA has reviewed the Newton’s finances and it is over. They are satisfied.

THEGAME

December 27th, 2010
6:05 pm

POOP DAWG, just check with Lars Anderson of SI or Joe Schad of ESPN, they have both reported they have talked with the NCAA and the NCAA has declared that they are satisfied with the findings.

One thing to remember is the final wording on the news release regarding Newton is the same wording used in the press release regarding AJ Green.

college football

December 27th, 2010
6:14 pm

but they’re giong to allow the thugs to play in the bowl…what a crock!

Poopdawg

December 27th, 2010
6:16 pm

The game, all I have seen is the Miss st extortion evidence does not implicate Auburn. Show me the article saying the Newtons’s financials have been examined and cleared.

Tide Rising

December 27th, 2010
6:30 pm

So AJ Green at UGA and Marcel Dareus at Bama get suspended IMMEDIATELY for extra benefits such as selling a jersey. But the OSU players, 3 or 4 of whom are likely to go pro anyway and thus never even serve a suspension, get delayed suspensions for selling not only rings but getting several other extra benefits including tattoos. Is it possible for an NCAA ruling to be any more inconsistent or unfair?

This is not the first time for Ohio State to skate. I always enjoy retelling an NCAA favorite. Former Ohio State star Maurice Clarett and OSU admitted that he received thousands of dollars in impermissible benefits and there were also allegations of academic fraud. The NCAA never investigated the matter.

An NCAA statement that tops even “Didn’t know” was that they had been unable to investigate the matter because Clarett had not returned their phone calls. No. You cannot make this stuff up. Seriously. This is what the NCAA officially said about why the Clarett matter was never fully invetigated.

As I have pointed out, Clarett spent several years in prison in Ohio and if NCAA investigators had taken him a carton of cigarettes he would have been singing like a canary. But alas they did not. Why? No one knows. But I suspect that it is because the organization as Danny Sheridan quotes ” is a politicized and corrupt organization that would not stand up to congressional or public scrutiny.”

So why would there be favoritism towards the Pac-10, the Big Ten, and Notre Dame? A few decades ago there was a move afoot to have the major football conferences form a College Football Association. The Pac-10 and the Big Ten, which had the lucrative Rose Bowl arrangement, failed to come aboard, as did Notre Dame, and the NCAA was saved.

Incompetent? Corrupt? Both??

Dixie Red Coat Band

December 27th, 2010
6:50 pm

University of MIA=”thug u South”
ohio state=”thug u North” Pretty funny

Skitty Fritty

December 27th, 2010
7:01 pm

Isn’t it time for “NFL Europe” to become the minor league for the NFL so all these players can go into the minors and not waster their time in college. It would not affect my interest at all in the college game if this would happen. It hasn’t hurt college baseball. I say let these players get paid and don’t waste their time in college.
I don’t follow my college team because of the players. I follow my team for a lot of other reasons. This would not hurt college football.

fastdawg

December 27th, 2010
7:09 pm

If the NCAA was fair & balanced, they would look at every student-athlete bank account.

War Eagle

December 27th, 2010
7:19 pm

Hopefully “2″ is QB number for a National Champion and a Super Bowl win for SEC and Atlanta…

chazzo

December 27th, 2010
7:47 pm

It would be interesting to pay players a stipend for playing. Pay them a national flat rate so there is not an advantage at rich schools. Put the money in escrow that the players will receive upon completion of their degrees.

Fan of the Game

December 27th, 2010
8:03 pm

Players are getting enough by the education they are getting. It is there if they want it.

ARdawg

December 27th, 2010
8:10 pm

Tough luck Nerds. Glad I didn’t pick you in my pool. Be thankful for the free hotdogs and Cokes though. Merry Christmas fro ARdawg

ARdawg

December 27th, 2010
8:12 pm

Tony Barnhart is a Gomer

Tech And CPJ are a joke

December 27th, 2010
8:18 pm

News Flash… georgia tech looses again. Wait, thats not news, they are used to it by now, loosing their last 5 games…

Buck Strickland

December 27th, 2010
8:32 pm

Tough loss Tech. Can say this, that CPJ is a great coach. I don’t really like his system, but XO wise, he knows how to manage a game. He totally out coached Richt and put his team in a position to win tonight. Tough to overcome the turnovers. PS, don’t listen to anyone that spells lose with two “o”’s. My 10 year old even knows that!

The Ole Ball Coach

December 27th, 2010
8:51 pm

Facebook got them caught and this one has been going on since at least 2001
so says former players. But the NCAA will not dig futher since this is not Alabama or Georgia

The Ole Ball Coach

December 27th, 2010
8:58 pm

The Yellow Jackets dropped their sixth consecutive bowl and posted a losing season.
Looks like Paul Johnson Knows that Offense inside out……. Good thing Georgia Tech played good according to the game announcer Bob Davie.

MikeP

December 27th, 2010
9:11 pm

poopdawg
December 27th, 2010
4:07 pm
“On the Auburn deal with Cam Newton , until i here that the Newton’s financial records have been examined and cleared, the story is not over.’

You should keep up with the news. Weeks ago there were articles about the NCAA investigators meeting with the Newton family. It stated that they copied complete records of Newton family finances and records of all churches that Cecil may have been associated with. This was about two weeks before Cam Newton was cleared “without condition”. Whether you like it or not, this case is closed.

MikeP

December 27th, 2010
9:20 pm

tikga
December 27th, 2010
4:02 pm
“The FBI investigation will bring down Lowder but it also may bring down the Auburn program as well.”

What investigation is that? You sound like some second grader on a playground “The FBI will get you!!!”

The FBI cares not one whit about NCAA policy. The FBI has it’s own responsibilities, which is investigating crimes. If every player in the USA sells his jersey to an agent the FBI could not care less.

Just sayin

December 27th, 2010
9:48 pm

Tide Rising- seems I remember M.C. was suspended for a year by Tres. Then M.C. had his scholarship rescinded and was dismissed by the university. His arrest came more than 2 years after he played his last down of football for OSU. Maybe that is why it was not investigated. You Bama fans sound so pathetic playing the victim. The NCAA is hard on Bama and the SEC in general because YOU CHEAT! IN EVERY SPORT! What other conf. Is anywhere close?

surfdawg

December 27th, 2010
9:57 pm

JUICE SOURCER My response to pg.3 ,1:33 post You sir are the idiot, and Hitler, pleeeaassse. By the way, how much longer left on your probation?

The Ole Ball Coach

December 27th, 2010
10:46 pm

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/tag/edward_rife

Check this link shows the NCAA needs to actually do some investigation work on
The OSU

Mike

December 27th, 2010
11:44 pm

Since the NCAA has sanctioned buying players with Cam Newton, what can fans do to protest the lack of these so-called student athletes? All the suspentions are just more examples of the entitlement issues. Should we boycott all the products & services that advertise on the various media until we have true students playing the game?

MikeP

December 28th, 2010
12:02 am

Quote: “Since the NCAA has sanctioned buying players with Cam Newton, what can fans do to protest the lack of these so-called student athletes?”

Got a link? Everything I’ve read says no money changed hands in the Cam Newton situation. It’s customary when something is bought, money changes hands.

NCAA investigators looked for five months and didn’t find any indication that anybody in the Newton family received anything extra. If you know more than they do, please inform them. If not, admit you’re wrong and get on with your life.

JASon

December 28th, 2010
12:05 am

“There is a reasonable argument to be made that athletes should be able to generate some kind of income”

This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Is it not enough that we are giving these college athletes a free ride for four years? Meanwhile tuition is criminally high for everyone else.

bitter JUST SAYING

December 28th, 2010
12:29 am

What a year!!!!!!!!!!! 1st, ive learned that rebuilding a chruch with boster money and 50 million paycheck for a national champ game go hand in hand, JUST SAYING!!!
2nd, georgia is on track to win 10 games next year with or without crowell !!!!!!!
3rd, a loss to boise and south car at the beginning of next year will sink a 10 win season and send the entire coaching staff packing. SERIOUSLY just saying!!!!!
PS if caoch johnson was not color blind he would look no futher that 4A champ chattahooooocha QB who happens to run 4.5 and sorry for him he is dridded white skin, coach johnson look at his stats 30 TD’s, only 2 inter, 1500 yards rushing, 2500 passing, come on MAN BOOBS stop being stupid this kid is perfect for ga tech offence, (dumb as—) well enough said, JUST SAYING

tt44

December 28th, 2010
1:36 am

Tony…this is the time with the NCAA…that it should dissolve! Totally two faced to allow these fellas to participate in the next game..period…how disappointing to me as a fan to see such a double standard? AJ green..case and point! Whomever has made this mud in on face decsion should be dismissed..(the kids didnt know the rules…come on man! Cam newton didnt know daddy was shoping him around..come on man! Utterly double standard….NCAA is a joke now.

BoWeevil

December 28th, 2010
3:44 am

So, now, how right have I been about Caleb Darnell King with my points about him all last season and all this season ?

Moonpie

December 28th, 2010
7:03 am

Air Force?

Are u kidding me? Looks like the ACC-Almost Collegiate Conference takes another hit!

Which programe is worse? Tech Football or Tech Basketball?

Integrity

December 28th, 2010
7:12 am

Here again, there is absolutely no consistency coming from the NCAA in allowing these players to participate in the upcoming bowl game. There is no rhyme nor reason as to the decisions which are being handed down from this organization, and it is swiftly degrading the integrity of the game. Has the time come for a new College Football Association???

George G.

December 28th, 2010
7:21 am

Tony – you should do one of these columns… http://cfn.scout.com/2/1034341.html

Get Real

December 28th, 2010
7:50 am

MikeP,

Give it up. You can pretend that Cam Newton is clean all you want, but everybody knows better. Just take your wins and wait for the asterisks. This is the only way that a school like Auburn has a shot at a National Title. Pat Dye knows it. You’ll find out… Eventually.

Helmand Dawg

December 28th, 2010
8:25 am

Tony, This argument is silly and falls apart under the weight of logic. First, not every school’s athletic budget is flush with cash. The SEC and the Big 10 schools could certainly pay their kids something but what about Marshall or Troy? Second, how do you determine a kid’s worth to the school? Are you going to pay him a pct of the gate or merchandise sales? If you do you’ve just introduced agents into the system and possibly these parasites will start getting them in high school. Third, the minute start paying the starting QB money you had better pay the something to women’s field hockey team or you will find yourself in court in an ugly discrimination suit not to mention title IX issues. Why isn’t a quality education enough? If you really want to clean up college football do away with scholarships and hold open tryouts on the first day of school. Until then you’re stuck being a little bit pregnant.

MikeP

December 28th, 2010
10:14 am

bitter JUST SAYING
December 28th, 2010
12:29 am
“What a year!!!!!!!!!!! 1st, ive learned that rebuilding a chruch with boster money and 50 million paycheck for a national champ game go hand in hand, JUST SAYING!!!”

Do a little research. According to the Newnan, Georgia City Council meeting minutes, Cecil Newton had the necessary financing to complete the church repairs in July, 2009. In case you don’t have a calendar, that was six months BEFORE Cam Newton signed with Auburn.

Auburn and Cam Newton are clean in this one. The only people that think they know more than the NCAA investigators are bammer and UGA fans.You guys need to get over the beatdowns and find a life.

superrbs

December 28th, 2010
2:27 pm

we would beat Ark. without those 5 players they have a michigan Q.B. you ll see about midnight on the 4th,

Snoop Dawg

December 28th, 2010
5:25 pm

Folks, this has been the worst year in the long, fabled history of UGA Football.
All those arrests and gangsta behavior on the field and on the sidelines are a big embarassment. I hope the next coach bans the Rastaman dreadlock look… We are extremely lucky to not have a losing season, and I will be surprised if we do not wind up losing to Central Florida. Markt Wrecked and Company are trending toward a disastrous recruiting year. The team routinely ran out of gas at the beginning of the fourth quarter. The play calling was downright atrocious. Every aspect of UGA football is in disarray and depression. Everyone with any chance of getting drafted in the NFL has already packed his bags to get out of town. Only two people are enjoying: Mark Wrecked and the Water Girrrrl because they are racking up about $3 million every year plus bennies until he regents develop the fortitude to fire them. There doesn’t seem to be any way out of the death spiral.

Depressing…

IRISH DAWG

December 28th, 2010
9:47 pm

THE NCAA IS STUPID,TO THINK CAM NEWTON DID NOT KNOW. HIS FATHER WAS TRYING TO SELL HIS SON TO MISS ST. CECIL NEWTON RUN HIS SON’S LIFE. CAM NEWTON’S FAMILY ALL KNEW IT.

MikeP

December 29th, 2010
12:04 am

IRISH DAWG
December 28th, 2010
9:47 pm
“THE NCAA IS STUPID,TO THINK CAM NEWTON DID NOT KNOW. HIS FATHER WAS TRYING TO SELL HIS SON TO MISS ST. CECIL NEWTON RUN HIS SON’S LIFE. CAM NEWTON’S FAMILY ALL KNEW IT.’

What a hoot! If you know more than a team of investigators knew after five months of work, all you have to do is prove it, Irish Dog.

Explain This Irish Dawg

December 29th, 2010
4:39 pm

“Put simply, had Cam Newton’s father or a third party actually received money or benefits for his recruitment, Cam Newton would have been declared ineligible regardless of his lack of knowledge,” the NCAA said.

wballs1977

December 30th, 2010
8:58 am

lame lame lame re: Newton. (yes, you Irish Dawg and Get foReal). why do you people act like it would be such a difficult feat to prove cam and his family were knowledgable about this whole thing? if everyone knew about Newton Sr’s actions during 2010 (evidently, everyone else outside of Auburn KNOWS that he knew) why can’t anyone prove it after 3 months? and if Newton really “shopped” his son around, why wasn’t there money exchanged? how do we know what the extent of Newton Sr’s conversations with the shady college “agent” was?

Get Real – care to elaborate more on “a school like Auburn”?

ivebeenworkingontheRR

December 31st, 2010
5:38 pm

Some much for Integrity of The Game. If OSU’ scoach had any sense of decency, he would suspend them for the game as well. I mean really what difference will it make, the SEC seems to always make OSU an embarrassing game to watch. As much as I have no respect for BP @ Arkansas, Jim Tressel could not have a better match as far as character. Very sad state of affairs for college football.