Ohio State’s players not stupid, but they are selfish

Hope everybody had a great Christmas! So what did we miss while we were gone spreading the Holiday cheer? Where in the world do you start?

1. Ohio State’s players aren’t stupid, but they are selfish: So a bunch of  Ohio State players, including quarterback Terrelle Pryor, will miss the first five games of the 2011 season because they sold and exchanged stuff for money and services. That’s a pretty stiff penalty and it’s likely a bunch of those guys will just turn pro and never serve the suspension. But please spare me the hand wringing and the gnashing of teeth about how the system is unfair. Two points:

**–It is an unfair system, yadda, yadda, yadda: We know that. We have always known that. There is a reasonable argument to be made that athletes should be able to generate some kind of income based on what they do and the value they provide to the school. But you don’t get to break the rule and THEN make the argument. Then all you’re doing is trying to rationalize behavior that has hurt the team to cover your own butt. Sometimes in life you have to be selfish. But admit that you did it for selfish reasons. Admit that you wanted the money or needed the money or felt you DESERVED the money. Then accept the consequences and move on.

**–I do not want to hear another adult say that the kids didn’t know the rules. Gene Smith is the athletics director at Ohio State. I have great deal respect for him and consider him to be a friend. But I can’t listen to another adult attribute rules breaking to a lack of knowledge of the rules.

Again, there is a good argument to be made about the validity and the fairness of the rule but here’s the deal. My mother just turned 78 years old and she knows a player can’t sell a jersey why he’s still in school. If you let these guys play in the Sugar Bowl because you don’t want to hurt a multi-million dollar game at this late date, then just say so. If the players thought the rule was stupid and felt they deserved something more because of their status, then just say so. But don’t plead ignorance. It just doesn’t fly any more.

 2. Will Georgia Tech run out of bodies against Air Force? Here is another reason why I could not be a coach. Georgia Tech was already short-handed on defense for today’s Independence Bowl with Air Force. Two starters and a reserve on defense were suspended last week for academic reasons. Now comes word that three more defensive players will have to sit out the first half of the game for missing curfew Friday night. Now Shreveport is a friendly town. My CBS buddy Tim Brando could live anywhere and he chose Shreveport as the place to raise his family. It’s a great place. But guys. You miss curfew in Shreveport? Seriously?

3. Is Caleb King destined to become another Patrick Pass? We learn today from Tim Tucker that Georgia running back Caleb King will miss Friday’s Liberty Bowl because he missed five “academic appointments.” I assume that is going to class or study hall. This marks the third game this season that King has missed on suspension. So now Georgia has a running back of modest (at best) ability, who can’t be bothered to do the academic side of his commitment after being suspended once already this season. There have been a lot of great running backs to come through Georgia. There have also been a bunch of running backs  who arrived in Athens with excessive hype and very average hearts. Caleb King is starting to look like the latter.

4. The coaching carousel sure did get quiet:  With much fanfare Florida hired Will Muschamp as its head coach on Dec. 4. Speculation immediately began that Muschamp would tap Alabama defensive coordinator Kirby Smart, his friend and also a former Georgia player, as his new DC. Then it got quiet and it looks like we won’t know anything until after the Jan. 1 bowls. Understand that everybody in the business is waiting for Muschamp to make his move. Then the ripple effect will start through the rest of the coaching fraternity. I wonder if Florida has a rule about the number of Georgia graduates the Gators can have on their staff?

5. Best rumor of the Holiday season: Jim Tressel to leave Ohio State: Something called ChicagoNow.com reported that Jim Tressel would be leaving as Ohio State’s coach after the Sugar Bowl game with Arkansas on Jan. 4. The website said that the Buckeyes recruits had been told that Tressel was leaving and that they should look elsewhere. Ohio State had to respond to knock down the rumors. Two things:

**–If the head coach at a place like Ohio State is going to leave suddenly, the recruits will be the LAST people to know because the school wants to try and hold the class together.

**–Could it possibly be that opposing recruiters were telling players that Tressel was going to leave hoping that somebody would pick up a rumor with no factual basis but run it anyway? Mission accomplished I guess.

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223 comments Add your comment

Coach O

December 27th, 2010
2:56 pm

@FEAR THE TIGERS

I agree. Cam was a good deal for Auburn. Who cares about a few asterisks?

FEAR THE TIGERS

December 27th, 2010
2:59 pm

And don’t start with “Cam’s Daddy broke the rules”, blah, blah, etc. ALL these schools bend or break the rules, every single one of them. It’s just a matter of who gets caught and who doesn’t. To the clown who states “Auburn will go down” be careful what you wish for. The whole SEC could be brought down if the NCAA really starts poking deep into the shady world of CF recruiting. Dirty tricks and payoffs are only the beginning……

Just Sayin

December 27th, 2010
3:03 pm

Didn’t ESPN sign a television rights contract with the SEC for $2 Billion? 2 BILLION! Cams price would be .00009 % of that total, if my math is correct. What is the television rights for the Sugar Bowl and how do we find out what ESPN is taking in per minute for advertising? Can’t figure out why the OSU 5 are playing in the Sugar Bowl? Really?

FEAR THE TIGERS

December 27th, 2010
3:05 pm

Enter your comments here

dap01

December 27th, 2010
3:10 pm

Why didn’t the Ohio State players simply say that their fathers sold the stuff? The NCAA and most sports writers are blind hypocrits.

FEAR THE TIGERS

December 27th, 2010
3:11 pm

Yep they did “Just Sayin” and last April the NCAA negotiated a $10.8 BILLION TV deal for the rights to the men’s basketball tournament. That’s Billion with a B! And then they wanna tell these kids they can’t get paid anything? An education is worth a lot but I can assure you it’s not worth THAT MUCH! Then half of these kids leave school early to get paid and never get a degree anyway!

Uncle Jesse

December 27th, 2010
3:15 pm

cannot believe that with Ohio state’s selfish actions they gave me a reason to pull for Petrino’s Arkansas team. Rooting for the S.E.C. was going to be hard with Petrino coaching,but now I’ve got a real reason to root for Arkansas…thanks Terrelle .

FEAR THE TIGERS

December 27th, 2010
3:17 pm

I saw it firsthand at AU as football players were given grades I know they couldn’t have possibly earned. Meanwhile students like us go to class, study for the tests, yet still don’t get as good a grade as an athlete who no one has even seen in class since the first day! What’s wrong with this picture?

FEAR THE TIGERS

December 27th, 2010
3:37 pm

I love Auburn but I despise Bobby Lowder and his cronies on the BOT. We almost lost our SACS accreditation in ‘03 because of Lowder’s actions. SACS specifically mentioned “micro-management” by the BOT over the athletics dept. The whole Jet-gate fiasco was the last straw for the AU family. The handling of Coach TT’s “resignation” (He was actually fired) was awful. Lowder’s term on the BOT expires in April, let’s hope with Colonial Bank imploding, that he does NOT return!! He has done enough damage already, and we are all tired of his meddling in AU’s football program!

MikeP

December 27th, 2010
3:40 pm

Kevin
December 27th, 2010
9:32 am
“They should have gotten Cecil Newton to sell them…then all would have been square with the NCAA.”

Nah, Cecil Newton can’t get any money. These guys wanted and got money.

MikeP

December 27th, 2010
3:43 pm

dap01
December 27th, 2010
3:10 pm
“Why didn’t the Ohio State players simply say that their fathers sold the stuff? The NCAA and most sports writers are blind hypocrits.”

Because they got money, and if their fathers had got money, they’d still be facing the same punishment.

Ben

December 27th, 2010
3:43 pm

Tony, who on Earth is saying these kids didn’t know the rules or they didn’t get what was coming to them????

The main issue, at least for most rational humans is the fact that the NCAA doesn’t even try to hide behind the fact that it’s in the pocket of big money. How in the world they can justify ruling that they did in fact break the rules but can STILL play in the bowl game is beyond me. It’s so shamefully transparent why and incredibly sad. Another body blow to a sport I love.

Embarassing.

Dan

December 27th, 2010
3:47 pm

GO AIR FORCE!!!!

tikga

December 27th, 2010
4:02 pm

@ FEAR THE TIGERS

The FBI investigation will bring down Lowder but it also may bring down the Auburn program as well.

ex-Terp

December 27th, 2010
4:03 pm

TB, just for sh*ts and giggles, would you like to amend your comments about the Ohio State players in light of of what MD Athletic Director said about firing Ralph Friedgen (”…it was a business decision…”)? C’mon Tony. You don’t strike me as the type to offer the NCAA/BCS a Mulligan, (”we all know the system is unfair”), and since the NCAA/BCS likes the status quo, how ’bout giving the kids a Mulligan. The “integrity” of the BCS oligarchy aside, this is still the United States of America, and student-athletes still have rights… unless, of course, they’ve chosen to surrender certain rights in exchange for gainful employment. Then again, were they, they’d have no need to sell jerseys and bowl swag.

poopdawg

December 27th, 2010
4:07 pm

The NCCA showed their hairy butts with OSU. On the Auburn deal with Cam Newton , until i here that the Newton’s financial records have been examined and cleared, the story is not over. Both OSU and Auburn storys makes you go hmmmm. Barnhart , you better clarify why you dragged Pass’ name down.

Lindsey

December 27th, 2010
4:08 pm

I hate to say this, but I am getting sick of Caleb King. This young man has been given a great opportunity and keeps making stupid decisions. I don’t blame this on CMR or anyone else besides Caleb. He needs to think about his team and how his actions effects others. Best of luck Bulldogs Friday, GO DAWGS!!!

catlady

December 27th, 2010
4:15 pm

Perfidy, thy name is NCAA.

It’s all about the money. All of it–Cam Newton, the Ohio State team, you name it. Sell your soul for a sack of gold.

How do we get out of the NCAA?

Why was AJ Green supposed to “know” the guy was “sorta” an agent, but the Ohio state players, for years, have not been “educated” about the rules? How, when the next Cam Newton wants a little pay for play, is it okay for a member of his family to “shop him” and as long as he didn’t do it, it doesn’t count? (Now I can see if I had tried to shop Cam, with no relationship or blood between us, that it should not taint him. But his daddy doing it? It opens up a huge can of worms from here on.) And we all know how this ruling came about, and why.

The NCAA is too tainted to continue. Pure and simple. It’s a racket. Surprised Jack McCoy on Law and Order hasn’t taken it to the woodshed.

Just Sayin

December 27th, 2010
4:24 pm

poopdawg, is the story over on the double digit arrests in Athens? Are you satisfied with the police reports and actions of the courts? Some would say the NCAA showed they had no hairy cajones in ignoring what is going on at UGA and UF. We have an under/over at work each year. WIll UGA have more off season arrests or victories? Cam did not break any laws, neither did the OSU 5. Instead of going hmmmm, tell us how CMR is going to clean up his cesspool of a program.

juice sourcer

December 27th, 2010
4:34 pm

Catlady is dead on…it’s a racket and Mister College Football is in on the racket..he is one of them…I wonder how much he makes while being part of this..sorry to say…but it’s the truth.

Delbert D.

December 27th, 2010
4:35 pm

“Ohio State’s players not stupid”

How do you know they are are not stupid Tony?

poopdawg

December 27th, 2010
4:37 pm

Just Sayin, cesspool ? Yeah we have some real death penalties cases in Athens . I believe most were traffic violations . If you have spent any time in Athens without a ticket then you didn’t drive. Cam hasn’t broken any laws? It could hit the fan after the bowl game . Please show me the report where the Newton’s financial records were eximined and cleared.

poopdawg

December 27th, 2010
4:38 pm

Examined, that is!

Big Ten

December 27th, 2010
4:40 pm

Discipline here is nonexistent. We’ll put off missing games until we are injured or go pro!

Delbert D.

December 27th, 2010
4:41 pm

Exhumed, maybe?

Just Sayin

December 27th, 2010
4:56 pm

NCAA guielines? Maybe. Laws? Nope. FBI already investigated the dad for extortion. Neither D.A. from Auburn or Columbus, Ohio could bring criminal charges or a case against Cam or the OSU 5.It is not illegal to negotiate the terms of your employment nor to seel privately owned property.

Just Sayin

December 27th, 2010
4:57 pm

Sorry, sell. Need spell check.

Poopdawg

December 27th, 2010
5:09 pm

Js, Recently Cam hasn’t broken any laws but his laptop just broke. Show me the statement from the FBI that the Newton’s financial record is clean.

simplythetruth

December 27th, 2010
5:13 pm

The Dawgs would be so much better off without King. He sets a terrible example for the younger players. He doesn’t have a work ethic and just doesn’t “get it”, life in general, at all. There are just some people in this old world that all you can say is, “bless his heart” and move on. King is that personality type.

Say What?

December 27th, 2010
5:24 pm

Caleb King, the next Patrick Pass? You mean the guy whose NFL career lasted six seasons, which produced three Super Bowl rings? King can only hope.

Old Dawg

December 27th, 2010
5:50 pm

Like many folks, I’m sick and tired of Caleb King’s inability to follow the guidelines set up by the UGA Athletic Department and football team. I’m also disappointed by the inability of the coaching staff and compliance folks to keep tabs on players and their shortfalls.

I really hope CMR makes the right decisions in the next few weeks to right this wayward ship of a football program.

As for the Ohio State players, I agree with everything Tony wrote.

Tony Geinzer

December 27th, 2010
5:50 pm

Tony, I find Ohio State being 6-6 OR Worse could damage the Big Ten’s Credibility as Nebraska adds NOTHING to the table outside Football and sure, you can have the Kentucky’s , Vanderbilts, Arkansas, Mississippi State win the SEC or Northwestern, Indiana, Minnesota and Michigan State win the Big Ten Outright in these next few wild and crazy Bowl/Playoff Years, but, truth be told, that is what will happen in the next 5 Years and I feel that the Buckeye 5 sold out the state of Ohio, which is starving for jobs and Coach Tressel and AD Smith.

THEGAME

December 27th, 2010
6:03 pm

To the fools who believe the FBI is looking into the Auburn/Cam Newton deal, you are a fool. They interviewed one person. The bag man at Mississippi State. Keeny Rogers refused to meet with the FBI. The FBI is involved because teh agent dealings and extortion. Rogers would have been providing an ineligible player to MSU.

The FBI is not involved with Lowder and the TARP funds. That would be the Treasury Department. Any other fools expecting some kind of indicments to Auburn football.

Also the NCAA has reviewed the Newton’s finances and it is over. They are satisfied.

THEGAME

December 27th, 2010
6:05 pm

POOP DAWG, just check with Lars Anderson of SI or Joe Schad of ESPN, they have both reported they have talked with the NCAA and the NCAA has declared that they are satisfied with the findings.

One thing to remember is the final wording on the news release regarding Newton is the same wording used in the press release regarding AJ Green.

college football

December 27th, 2010
6:14 pm

but they’re giong to allow the thugs to play in the bowl…what a crock!

Poopdawg

December 27th, 2010
6:16 pm

The game, all I have seen is the Miss st extortion evidence does not implicate Auburn. Show me the article saying the Newtons’s financials have been examined and cleared.

Tide Rising

December 27th, 2010
6:30 pm

So AJ Green at UGA and Marcel Dareus at Bama get suspended IMMEDIATELY for extra benefits such as selling a jersey. But the OSU players, 3 or 4 of whom are likely to go pro anyway and thus never even serve a suspension, get delayed suspensions for selling not only rings but getting several other extra benefits including tattoos. Is it possible for an NCAA ruling to be any more inconsistent or unfair?

This is not the first time for Ohio State to skate. I always enjoy retelling an NCAA favorite. Former Ohio State star Maurice Clarett and OSU admitted that he received thousands of dollars in impermissible benefits and there were also allegations of academic fraud. The NCAA never investigated the matter.

An NCAA statement that tops even “Didn’t know” was that they had been unable to investigate the matter because Clarett had not returned their phone calls. No. You cannot make this stuff up. Seriously. This is what the NCAA officially said about why the Clarett matter was never fully invetigated.

As I have pointed out, Clarett spent several years in prison in Ohio and if NCAA investigators had taken him a carton of cigarettes he would have been singing like a canary. But alas they did not. Why? No one knows. But I suspect that it is because the organization as Danny Sheridan quotes ” is a politicized and corrupt organization that would not stand up to congressional or public scrutiny.”

So why would there be favoritism towards the Pac-10, the Big Ten, and Notre Dame? A few decades ago there was a move afoot to have the major football conferences form a College Football Association. The Pac-10 and the Big Ten, which had the lucrative Rose Bowl arrangement, failed to come aboard, as did Notre Dame, and the NCAA was saved.

Incompetent? Corrupt? Both??

Dixie Red Coat Band

December 27th, 2010
6:50 pm

University of MIA=”thug u South”
ohio state=”thug u North” Pretty funny

Skitty Fritty

December 27th, 2010
7:01 pm

Isn’t it time for “NFL Europe” to become the minor league for the NFL so all these players can go into the minors and not waster their time in college. It would not affect my interest at all in the college game if this would happen. It hasn’t hurt college baseball. I say let these players get paid and don’t waste their time in college.
I don’t follow my college team because of the players. I follow my team for a lot of other reasons. This would not hurt college football.

fastdawg

December 27th, 2010
7:09 pm

If the NCAA was fair & balanced, they would look at every student-athlete bank account.

War Eagle

December 27th, 2010
7:19 pm

Hopefully “2″ is QB number for a National Champion and a Super Bowl win for SEC and Atlanta…

chazzo

December 27th, 2010
7:47 pm

It would be interesting to pay players a stipend for playing. Pay them a national flat rate so there is not an advantage at rich schools. Put the money in escrow that the players will receive upon completion of their degrees.

Fan of the Game

December 27th, 2010
8:03 pm

Players are getting enough by the education they are getting. It is there if they want it.

ARdawg

December 27th, 2010
8:10 pm

Tough luck Nerds. Glad I didn’t pick you in my pool. Be thankful for the free hotdogs and Cokes though. Merry Christmas fro ARdawg

ARdawg

December 27th, 2010
8:12 pm

Tony Barnhart is a Gomer

Tech And CPJ are a joke

December 27th, 2010
8:18 pm

News Flash… georgia tech looses again. Wait, thats not news, they are used to it by now, loosing their last 5 games…

Buck Strickland

December 27th, 2010
8:32 pm

Tough loss Tech. Can say this, that CPJ is a great coach. I don’t really like his system, but XO wise, he knows how to manage a game. He totally out coached Richt and put his team in a position to win tonight. Tough to overcome the turnovers. PS, don’t listen to anyone that spells lose with two “o”’s. My 10 year old even knows that!

The Ole Ball Coach

December 27th, 2010
8:51 pm

Facebook got them caught and this one has been going on since at least 2001
so says former players. But the NCAA will not dig futher since this is not Alabama or Georgia

The Ole Ball Coach

December 27th, 2010
8:58 pm

The Yellow Jackets dropped their sixth consecutive bowl and posted a losing season.
Looks like Paul Johnson Knows that Offense inside out……. Good thing Georgia Tech played good according to the game announcer Bob Davie.

MikeP

December 27th, 2010
9:11 pm

poopdawg
December 27th, 2010
4:07 pm
“On the Auburn deal with Cam Newton , until i here that the Newton’s financial records have been examined and cleared, the story is not over.’

You should keep up with the news. Weeks ago there were articles about the NCAA investigators meeting with the Newton family. It stated that they copied complete records of Newton family finances and records of all churches that Cecil may have been associated with. This was about two weeks before Cam Newton was cleared “without condition”. Whether you like it or not, this case is closed.