Ohio State’s players not stupid, but they are selfish

Hope everybody had a great Christmas! So what did we miss while we were gone spreading the Holiday cheer? Where in the world do you start?

1. Ohio State’s players aren’t stupid, but they are selfish: So a bunch of  Ohio State players, including quarterback Terrelle Pryor, will miss the first five games of the 2011 season because they sold and exchanged stuff for money and services. That’s a pretty stiff penalty and it’s likely a bunch of those guys will just turn pro and never serve the suspension. But please spare me the hand wringing and the gnashing of teeth about how the system is unfair. Two points:

**–It is an unfair system, yadda, yadda, yadda: We know that. We have always known that. There is a reasonable argument to be made that athletes should be able to generate some kind of income based on what they do and the value they provide to the school. But you don’t get to break the rule and THEN make the argument. Then all you’re doing is trying to rationalize behavior that has hurt the team to cover your own butt. Sometimes in life you have to be selfish. But admit that you did it for selfish reasons. Admit that you wanted the money or needed the money or felt you DESERVED the money. Then accept the consequences and move on.

**–I do not want to hear another adult say that the kids didn’t know the rules. Gene Smith is the athletics director at Ohio State. I have great deal respect for him and consider him to be a friend. But I can’t listen to another adult attribute rules breaking to a lack of knowledge of the rules.

Again, there is a good argument to be made about the validity and the fairness of the rule but here’s the deal. My mother just turned 78 years old and she knows a player can’t sell a jersey why he’s still in school. If you let these guys play in the Sugar Bowl because you don’t want to hurt a multi-million dollar game at this late date, then just say so. If the players thought the rule was stupid and felt they deserved something more because of their status, then just say so. But don’t plead ignorance. It just doesn’t fly any more.

 2. Will Georgia Tech run out of bodies against Air Force? Here is another reason why I could not be a coach. Georgia Tech was already short-handed on defense for today’s Independence Bowl with Air Force. Two starters and a reserve on defense were suspended last week for academic reasons. Now comes word that three more defensive players will have to sit out the first half of the game for missing curfew Friday night. Now Shreveport is a friendly town. My CBS buddy Tim Brando could live anywhere and he chose Shreveport as the place to raise his family. It’s a great place. But guys. You miss curfew in Shreveport? Seriously?

3. Is Caleb King destined to become another Patrick Pass? We learn today from Tim Tucker that Georgia running back Caleb King will miss Friday’s Liberty Bowl because he missed five “academic appointments.” I assume that is going to class or study hall. This marks the third game this season that King has missed on suspension. So now Georgia has a running back of modest (at best) ability, who can’t be bothered to do the academic side of his commitment after being suspended once already this season. There have been a lot of great running backs to come through Georgia. There have also been a bunch of running backs  who arrived in Athens with excessive hype and very average hearts. Caleb King is starting to look like the latter.

4. The coaching carousel sure did get quiet:  With much fanfare Florida hired Will Muschamp as its head coach on Dec. 4. Speculation immediately began that Muschamp would tap Alabama defensive coordinator Kirby Smart, his friend and also a former Georgia player, as his new DC. Then it got quiet and it looks like we won’t know anything until after the Jan. 1 bowls. Understand that everybody in the business is waiting for Muschamp to make his move. Then the ripple effect will start through the rest of the coaching fraternity. I wonder if Florida has a rule about the number of Georgia graduates the Gators can have on their staff?

5. Best rumor of the Holiday season: Jim Tressel to leave Ohio State: Something called ChicagoNow.com reported that Jim Tressel would be leaving as Ohio State’s coach after the Sugar Bowl game with Arkansas on Jan. 4. The website said that the Buckeyes recruits had been told that Tressel was leaving and that they should look elsewhere. Ohio State had to respond to knock down the rumors. Two things:

**–If the head coach at a place like Ohio State is going to leave suddenly, the recruits will be the LAST people to know because the school wants to try and hold the class together.

**–Could it possibly be that opposing recruiters were telling players that Tressel was going to leave hoping that somebody would pick up a rumor with no factual basis but run it anyway? Mission accomplished I guess.

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223 comments Add your comment

Cecil

December 27th, 2010
11:12 am

Cam will be back in ‘11. The $200K was for two seasons . . .

Dawgone Hypocrites

December 27th, 2010
11:13 am

I think Cam is soooo CUTE.
Cecil is a bit old for me. but still fine!

surfdawg

December 27th, 2010
11:18 am

Paul no beef intended. It was actually a jab at AJC for being so late on the story

Bob Horner had a big fro

December 27th, 2010
11:18 am

Yawn. Sorry, Tony, but all of this is REALLY old news and commentary. The average fans calling in to 680 have been saying these things already. You come back from vacation and this is all you have? I want your job.

David

December 27th, 2010
11:18 am

Tony, I don’t care for Florida, but you shouldn’t have a say so concerning the gators. You sound like the biggest Ga sour grapes guy. Instead of Ga guys acting like crying little girls, why don’t you just hold Ga accountable for getting their annual butt kicking? Or just stick your tonque at them.
Stay away from talking about Ga or Florida. Only then do you sound like you don’t have a axe to grind.

SuperB

December 27th, 2010
11:18 am

At least Patrick Pass wound up playing in the NFL. I doubt Caleb King will.

Brian

December 27th, 2010
11:24 am

As an OSU alumni I am embarrassed to read about what Pryor et al, did to their teammates. A colleague that attended graduate school with me and did play football at OSU, was adamant that football players received preferential treatment but always within the NCAA ‘rules’.
I agree with you Tony that coaches and AD’s should not be making excuses when it comes from knowing right from wrong. The culture of excusing bad behavior needs to stop as young men mature. Though his record at OSU has been stellar (30-4) Pryor’s biggest criticism has been his lack of maturity. This just reinforces that argumnent.

Beast from the East

December 27th, 2010
11:30 am

surfdawg

December 27th, 2010
11:33 am

Thank you BRIAN for representing all OSU level headed fans out there. Wish some fans west of the GA. state line were as honest with themselves as you are. The beef for me anyways in both cases lie at the NCAA”s feat. DAWGONE did I spell everything correctly?

IRISH DAWG

December 27th, 2010
11:34 am

AUBURN PLAYERS ARE RECEIVING MONEY IN CASH, SO IT CAN NOT BE TRACE.FROM AUBURN BOOSTERS.A BLIND MAN CAN SEE THAT. AUBURN THE INVESTIGATION IS NOT OVER ,JUST ASK USC,IT TOOK ALL MOST 5 YEARS.

Denver Dog

December 27th, 2010
11:38 am

The more I read your work Tony, the more I believe that Henry Grady and others like Lewis Grizzard cringe from above, every time they read your crazy rants. If anyone doesn’t know what is going on in college football they should read, Pony Excess on ESPN 30/30. The next big question, why do so called journalists not ask the basic question, If Miss State met the demand of $180,000.00, why did he go to Auburn. Early on when Cam was allowed to speak to the media he said, “My father made the decision to go to Auburn” ? Where is the journalism Tony? A lot of wise investigative journalists from good schools say “follow the money”, what is it with you and the other sports media elite with this cover up? War Chest Eagle?

Denver Dog

December 27th, 2010
11:40 am

Best Rumor of the season, Tony will do some real journalism, print or electronic.

surfdawg

December 27th, 2010
11:50 am

I’ll tell you DENVER DOG, Tony lost me when one week he called for Grantham to be suspended and fined for a harmless choke signal, That I agree was in poor taste, the next week said Fairley did nothing wrong and should not be suspended for trying to end a young quarterbacks career.

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Gator Mike

December 27th, 2010
11:53 am

In the case of the Ohio St issue, these guys know the rules, and the AD at OSU knows it. The NCAA, Big Ten and OSU blew it on this one. Tese clowns should not be allowed to play in the bowl game. The powers to be sure piled on UGA and AJ Green; therefore, why do the OSU guys not sit immediately. It is all about BCS money, and we all know it. Additionally, OSU has never beaten an SEC team in football; therefore, the Big Ten is giving them a break.
OSU has an opportunity to make a point for all NCAA schools that nobody is bigger than the school, but they appear to be turning their pompous heads away from the truth. Also note that he president of OSU, Gordon Gee, is the same jerk who dissolved the Athletic Dept. at Vandy and said that Boise St and TCU are not worthy to play in the BCS.
OSU is now in the same class as Southern Cal with respect to rules and responsibility.
The Big Ten is a joke!

Joe

December 27th, 2010
11:55 am

Caleb has to try the NFL, period. He has no desire to play at a college level and he feels he has learned all what’s necessary to succed on Sundays. So….why the heck wait one more year? Just get the few bucks they will trhow at you and try your best on Sunday and, who knows, you might get to show in the NFL what you haven’t been able to do in college. One thing is for sure, your potential teammates will not be so caring as the ones you have now. But….., go on and good luck to you.

Joey

December 27th, 2010
11:57 am

At what point do we stop referring to 21-23 year olds as “kids?”

surfdawg

December 27th, 2010
11:58 am

I just don’t think Caleb has what it takes to play on Sunday’s GATOR MIKE. Let’s face it, he really has not lit it up at Georgia yet.

surfdawg

December 27th, 2010
12:00 pm

I’m sorry I did’nt mean GATOR MIKE I meant JOE

juice sourcer

December 27th, 2010
12:09 pm

Rules are meant to be broken…especially when they are dumb and hypocritical. The school can sell a players jersey and get $200+ for it but a player can’t trade his for a tatoo….completely insane…college football is all about hypocrisy…America’s youth will not stand by and let the older generation dictate crazy, hypocritical rules and laws. Someone better take a stand on a different position because this type of thing is going to continue to happen.

Supes

December 27th, 2010
12:11 pm

I’m sorry Tony, but Mark May said it RIGHT on ESPN when he blasted the NCAA for their handling of the Ohio State Players situation.

How do you think they would have reacted if it was an SEC player that did those things….he wouldn’t see the field for the bowl game for sure. It would be immediate, not next season.

Sorry Tony, calling it like it is…DOUBLE STANDARDS for sure.

juice sourcer

December 27th, 2010
12:15 pm

Tony, it’s not the Ohio State players who are being selfish…it’s the institutions that are being selfish…we want all the money and you young men who sacrifice your asses off get nothing. You tell me who the selfish ones are.

surfdawg

December 27th, 2010
12:16 pm

JUICE SOURCER kids with views like yours wind up in prison everyday because rules were made to be followed

surfdawg

December 27th, 2010
12:18 pm

The kids get a free education worth about 60 or 70 thousand over 4 years

NORRIS

December 27th, 2010
12:23 pm

The punishment does not fit the crime.
I agree the kids should suffer some kind of punishment but 5 games is not just a penalty on the kid. But on the team, the fans and the university. As well as the community that is affected.
The punishment should come in the way of community service or something like that. Look at the NFL they dont suspend that harshly for rape and murder!
5 games does not leave you anywhere else to go for worse crimes. The rule is extreme.

joe

December 27th, 2010
12:28 pm

Patrick Pass played forever in the pros. As usual TB has a point to make and misses the opportunity entirely. maybe 2011 will be nicer to TB.
Tony, did you win the blog contest for the AJC.

Joey

December 27th, 2010
12:33 pm

So, just to be clear, King breaks a UGA rule and has to miss the bowl game. OSU’s players break NCAA rules to the extent they get 5 game suspensions, yet they get to play in the bowl game.

Yeah, that makes sense . . .

hop

December 27th, 2010
12:34 pm

How does Tony keep a job,with the comparison of Patrick Pass is pathetic. and tony he does have a sugar bowl ring.

that anology has to go down as one of the worse that i have ever seem in an article.

maybe when georgia sacks cmr,the ajc will do the same with tony

tony, you are a disgrace as a writer !

karin

December 27th, 2010
12:35 pm

We love THE Ohio State University.
Go BUCKS!!!

karin

December 27th, 2010
12:40 pm

BTW it’s not OSU; it’s THE Ohio State University

jarvis

December 27th, 2010
12:50 pm

What if Pryor’s dad had asked Terrell to autograph some stuff, and then traded that stuff for a tattoo for Terrell but tol Terrell that the tatoo had been paid for.

That’d be OK, right?

Ole Man Dan

December 27th, 2010
12:53 pm

The NCAA is proving to be as entertaining as ‘Wrestling’. This year they have a new story line almost every week. Just like the WWF, we all know it’s fake.
Even the NCAA can’t be as stupid as the part they’ve played against Auburn & Ohio State.
The brains at the NCAA make Cecil Newton look like a evil genius… :)

Just Sayin

December 27th, 2010
1:00 pm

Have not read all of the posts but didn’t AJ Green sell his jersey to an NFL agent? Didn’t Reggie Bush’s parents receive their goodies from an agent? Didn’t the Bama player that missed the Utah game because of agent tampering? Has there been any indication the OSU 5’s dealings had any connection with any agent? If so, I haven’t heard it or read it. Isn’t that the difference? Maybe that is the line in the sand so to speak for the NCAA. However, I do I disagree with the title statement, I think the OSU players are very stouped.

Bwood Dawg

December 27th, 2010
1:01 pm

Mint Berry Crunch – Ask Brookwood people about Caleb King- left for GAC because he would not have been able to pass Ga high school exit exam at brookwood and he absolutely cannot do college work, only at uga to run ball.

Caleb King never attended Brookwood. Parkview was where he could not make it.

FRED

December 27th, 2010
1:05 pm

CALEB NEEDS HELP NOT CRIPICISM.

jarvis

December 27th, 2010
1:08 pm

What kind of help, Fred?

debit card

December 27th, 2010
1:12 pm

the geniuses on the NCAA governing committee probably did not think about looking at other ways to get the Newton family money. If a transaction took place, doubt anyone would be stupid enough to deposit money in a bank. Did they think about handing the father a debit card with 200K on it? Ohio State kids bartered for tatoos and they are out 5 games but the Newton saga just lives on

BTW what is in Shreveport to do that would break curfew? GAMBLING Tony, hello..casinos with free drinks..where have you been?

mike

December 27th, 2010
1:20 pm

First let’s get off the hate the Cam Newton bandwagon. Don’t get uptight with him because you lack the talent at any level. And so what about those OSU players. Everybody makes money off these players except themselves. Always the goobers who have to dictate what others should or should not be doing. Most likely that is not the only school with players who do it. If players on other team could win some awards they would do the same. Problem for them is they have to win something during the season.

Paul N Destin

December 27th, 2010
1:25 pm

OSU got a mulligan due to the way the Cam deal played out (as of today). Remember the NCAA is really the Big 10. Spring in Alabama will not bode well for the Auburn Tigers. The banker, the dogtrack guy and the yellowman will finally pay the price. Karma is a batch.

seabass

December 27th, 2010
1:30 pm

Tony, who annoited you Mr. College Football? Is that a self proclaimation? And what does your friendship with Smith have to do with this article? The worst part of this is you really think you know something about college football and college football situations.

juice sourcer

December 27th, 2010
1:33 pm

“rules were made to be followed”…it that right surfdawg…I guess that means you would have lined up and followed Hiltler’s rules…right? You are wrong…dumb, hypocritical rules are MADE to be broken..it’s how change occurs…it’s how we move along as a civilization…for example…prohibition would still be around if people didn’t refuse to follow the rules…these NCAA rules need to be BROKEN.

AFDawg

December 27th, 2010
1:42 pm

Sugg Id, You’re right — stupid comparison. I think he meant to say Jasper Sanks.

Goldwreck, Not only did they sell a lot more for more money, they also received freebies from a tatoo parlor — thus teh harsher penalty.

gcs

December 27th, 2010
1:44 pm

Welcome back Tony!

Cam-gate was strike one. The Ohio State ruling is strike two. Mark Emmert is off to a very poor start as NCAA prez. There is NO WAY you can convince me the Buckeye players did not know what they did is wrong.

Isn’t it interesting that while these transgressions occurred in 2009, it took until December 2010 for this story to emerge? That is three months after AJ Green’s suspension made national news.

If truly, the fault lies with AD Gene Smith and coach Jim Tressel, why are they not being suspended & fined?

.

AFDawg

December 27th, 2010
1:46 pm

Karin, No it isn’t — it’s Oklahoma State University. Or maybe you like Oregon State University better. Who cares?

Nick

December 27th, 2010
1:56 pm

King could dominate if he didn’t have Mike Bobo the Bozo for his coach who only calls 5 rushing plays a game.

Just Sayin

December 27th, 2010
2:02 pm

AFDawg, as we know of today, what was the total of the AJ Green agent transaction and what was each of the OSU players “take?” Maybe the NCAA was harsher on AJ Green not only because he sold his private property to an NFL agent but the fact that the Clarke County jail has been so prevalent in UGA football these past 12 months. I think the NCAA has used this term in the past. “lack of institutional control.”

Unlike the UGA 12 + 1. The OSU 5 and Cam Newton can not be arrested and or convicted for what they did. I would also include AJ Green and the private sell of his personal belongings.

Nimrod Spacer

December 27th, 2010
2:08 pm

Tony, you missed the point in the Ohio St. case, which was why the NCAA did not suspend the players for the bowl game. Apparently TV ratings affected the ruling. Anyway, this has been the season of the NCAA and ESPN. Never before has it beem more demonstrated that the NCAA simply makes up rules as they go along. And never before has a television entity controlled so much of college football like ESPN, whose power has now gone way beyond moving game times. Now they are actually involved in the scheduling of games and the creation of bowl games. Only three bowl games are televised this year outside ESPN. Since the NCAA weighs TV ratings in their decision, and ESPN essentially now owns the sport, why not let ESPN enforce eligibility rules using TV ratings as the determining factor? Silly? Sure. But college football has always been the silliest of sports with its various poll systems. What’s one more nutty aspect? At least, in an effort to drive up the all-important ratings, ESPN would be more transparent in its deliberations.

SCAM NEWTON

December 27th, 2010
2:15 pm

ROTFL, Tony you can’t be serious. They made 2Gs, I made 200Gs, but I not only am going to play in the National Championship, but they gave me the heisman. W/200,000 I can buy a lot of tats. Just saying……Signed $cam Newton

Just Sayin

December 27th, 2010
2:15 pm

Follow the money. The NCAA needs to protect the money of the Sugar Bowl/ESPN et.al. But don’t dare let the mules who plow the fields see any of the money. Many years ago, Jim Brown equated the NCAA with the slave era plantations. What would happen if the top 25-30 NCAA football powers broke from the NCAA and became NAIA schools?

FEAR THE TIGERS

December 27th, 2010
2:52 pm

What’s really funny about all this alleged PFP nonsense is the amount of money discussed. Yeah 180k is a lot of money to some but it’s really small potatoes when you look at the revenue CF generates. AU Football MADE over $50 mil last year alone. Players in the NFL are getting tens of millions a year now, 180k is a heck of a bargain when you really think about it. Yes these kids get a free education but do you really think they go to a big-time school for that? How many billions will be generated off these players while we sit here arguing about 180k? Seems kind of trivial….