Ohio State’s players not stupid, but they are selfish

Hope everybody had a great Christmas! So what did we miss while we were gone spreading the Holiday cheer? Where in the world do you start?

1. Ohio State’s players aren’t stupid, but they are selfish: So a bunch of  Ohio State players, including quarterback Terrelle Pryor, will miss the first five games of the 2011 season because they sold and exchanged stuff for money and services. That’s a pretty stiff penalty and it’s likely a bunch of those guys will just turn pro and never serve the suspension. But please spare me the hand wringing and the gnashing of teeth about how the system is unfair. Two points:

**–It is an unfair system, yadda, yadda, yadda: We know that. We have always known that. There is a reasonable argument to be made that athletes should be able to generate some kind of income based on what they do and the value they provide to the school. But you don’t get to break the rule and THEN make the argument. Then all you’re doing is trying to rationalize behavior that has hurt the team to cover your own butt. Sometimes in life you have to be selfish. But admit that you did it for selfish reasons. Admit that you wanted the money or needed the money or felt you DESERVED the money. Then accept the consequences and move on.

**–I do not want to hear another adult say that the kids didn’t know the rules. Gene Smith is the athletics director at Ohio State. I have great deal respect for him and consider him to be a friend. But I can’t listen to another adult attribute rules breaking to a lack of knowledge of the rules.

Again, there is a good argument to be made about the validity and the fairness of the rule but here’s the deal. My mother just turned 78 years old and she knows a player can’t sell a jersey why he’s still in school. If you let these guys play in the Sugar Bowl because you don’t want to hurt a multi-million dollar game at this late date, then just say so. If the players thought the rule was stupid and felt they deserved something more because of their status, then just say so. But don’t plead ignorance. It just doesn’t fly any more.

 2. Will Georgia Tech run out of bodies against Air Force? Here is another reason why I could not be a coach. Georgia Tech was already short-handed on defense for today’s Independence Bowl with Air Force. Two starters and a reserve on defense were suspended last week for academic reasons. Now comes word that three more defensive players will have to sit out the first half of the game for missing curfew Friday night. Now Shreveport is a friendly town. My CBS buddy Tim Brando could live anywhere and he chose Shreveport as the place to raise his family. It’s a great place. But guys. You miss curfew in Shreveport? Seriously?

3. Is Caleb King destined to become another Patrick Pass? We learn today from Tim Tucker that Georgia running back Caleb King will miss Friday’s Liberty Bowl because he missed five “academic appointments.” I assume that is going to class or study hall. This marks the third game this season that King has missed on suspension. So now Georgia has a running back of modest (at best) ability, who can’t be bothered to do the academic side of his commitment after being suspended once already this season. There have been a lot of great running backs to come through Georgia. There have also been a bunch of running backs  who arrived in Athens with excessive hype and very average hearts. Caleb King is starting to look like the latter.

4. The coaching carousel sure did get quiet:  With much fanfare Florida hired Will Muschamp as its head coach on Dec. 4. Speculation immediately began that Muschamp would tap Alabama defensive coordinator Kirby Smart, his friend and also a former Georgia player, as his new DC. Then it got quiet and it looks like we won’t know anything until after the Jan. 1 bowls. Understand that everybody in the business is waiting for Muschamp to make his move. Then the ripple effect will start through the rest of the coaching fraternity. I wonder if Florida has a rule about the number of Georgia graduates the Gators can have on their staff?

5. Best rumor of the Holiday season: Jim Tressel to leave Ohio State: Something called ChicagoNow.com reported that Jim Tressel would be leaving as Ohio State’s coach after the Sugar Bowl game with Arkansas on Jan. 4. The website said that the Buckeyes recruits had been told that Tressel was leaving and that they should look elsewhere. Ohio State had to respond to knock down the rumors. Two things:

**–If the head coach at a place like Ohio State is going to leave suddenly, the recruits will be the LAST people to know because the school wants to try and hold the class together.

**–Could it possibly be that opposing recruiters were telling players that Tressel was going to leave hoping that somebody would pick up a rumor with no factual basis but run it anyway? Mission accomplished I guess.

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Dawgone Hypocrites

December 27th, 2010
10:22 am

Surfdawg how did Auburn get a gift when they done nothing wrong? Can you folks not get it through your thick skulls that MSU is the only school that’s been implicated in the recruitment of Cam Newton? Drop it already and focus on turning your program around instead of smearing Auburn!!

bwell

December 27th, 2010
10:23 am

welcome back TB! Georgia need IC to come in and replace CK and make the RB position competive with WE and KM.

News Article: Latest Bama News 12/27/10

December 27th, 2010
10:24 am

Dawgone Hypocrites

December 27th, 2010
10:25 am

At our Christmas party there were actually folks STILL whining about Nick Fairley!! Get over it already…..YOU LOST!!

Why doesn't someone sue the NCAA on this?

December 27th, 2010
10:25 am

How can schools “give” players rings, jerseys, etc. and then tell them they can’t sell them? If the rule is rock solid, then they should put what they give them in escrow and “give” it to them when they are out of eligibility. Once they own it they should be allowed to do what the heck they want with it including selling it.

surfdawg

December 27th, 2010
10:26 am

DAWGONE me you and every one knows Cam new what his dad did. Quit running thru life with your blinders on

Paul in RDU

December 27th, 2010
10:28 am

Tony is going very easy on his friend at OSU, neatly ignoring some inconvenient items. As well as making the excuse that the players were inadequately educated on the NCAA rules, OSU’s AD also stated that the players sold the jerseys, etc. because it was a tough economic time and their families needed the money.
Tony has glossed over the biggest issue with the OSU case – how an organization allegedly dedicated to upholding amateur athletics ignores their own rules for monetary reasons.

Sandman053

December 27th, 2010
10:28 am

@ why doesn’t: I agree and have said before that each player should get a box to put all that stuff into and recieve the box when eligibility runs out. Not a hard concept, much like going to basic training and putting al your civilian stuff in a paper sack for the duration.

surfdawg

December 27th, 2010
10:28 am

DAWGONe what you meant to say was “We finally lost,get over it”

SOGADOG

December 27th, 2010
10:29 am

The NCAA enforcement division needs a major overhaul. Allowing the Ohio State players to play in the bowl game is just wrong. UGA did not have the option to play AJ Green in the South Carolina game which was the first game to roll around after his suspension became official. That game was as important to UGA as the Sugar Bowl is to Ohio State. A win at USC could have changed the course of the Dawg’s season. Green and as far as I know all the other players suspended this season did not get to play in a game before the suspension kicked in.

Also, despite the fact Cecil Newton offered to sell Cam’s quarterback services for 180K to Miss State, there was no NCAA action taken.

The NCAA’s enforcement actions this year have been arbitrary and capricious. Something must be done to correct the broken system in place now.

R.U.KIDDEN-ME???

December 27th, 2010
10:29 am

KEVIN@9:43 A.M.,IF YOU WHERE “ALL IN” YOU’D UNDERSTAND THE UNDERHANDED “BARNER LOGIC”!!!

Dawgone Hypocrites

December 27th, 2010
10:29 am

Cam “New” what his Dad did? First of all learn to speak English then I’ll address your mindless comments! I’ll be running out to Glendale to play for the BCS title while the porch pups play in the Weedeater Bowl!! LOL

JB

December 27th, 2010
10:29 am

UGA Insider…………It is coming to an end…….Not because I want him gone, but because of reality……Mark is stuck in a talent gap and does not have the players or talent on campus to get out of this NEXT YEAR ….. He would have to win 9, 10 games to survive……Maryland, Yes Maryland just fired the ACC coach of the year, an Alum, after winning 8 games….What is Georgia template? 6 wins ? 7 ? Who will they hire, not if.

Joey

December 27th, 2010
10:30 am

Haha, Surfdawg, Goff was inept, wasn’t he?

JB, I hope Richt can turn it around, and beating Boise would go a long way to getting UGA back on the map.

We are so off the national sports radar right now, ESPN.com doesn’t even list our bowl game suspensions in their headlines!

OT

December 27th, 2010
10:31 am

Is Caleb King destined to become another Patrick Pass?

That’s a helluva cheapshot to take on Pass, Tony. While Pass may have never lived up to the expectations at Georgia that folks like you envisioned, I would say that what he did after leaving Georgia more than made up for it. He graduated with a degree, which is something that Mr. King is not on track to do. Pass also enjoyed an 8 year career in the National Football League with the New England Patriots and New York Giants as a backup running back and special teams hawk, collecting 3 Super Bowl Rings with New England. If King is destined to be like Pass, he better get his act together, and soon.

Again, that was a gratuitus cheapshot to take on a damn good dog, about a man who was able to excel both personally and professionally.

Sandman053

December 27th, 2010
10:31 am

@ hypocite actually we played the weedeater bowl last year…this year I think we are playing in the ” we lost to almost everybody bowl”

JB

December 27th, 2010
10:33 am

AU-Cam-Fairley-4OL starters= Georgia this year….Welcome home Tigers.

surfdawg

December 27th, 2010
10:34 am

DAWGONE It’s about time Auburn runs off to a decent bowl. Enjoy because next year you will be back to same old Auburn

Nat

December 27th, 2010
10:34 am

Tony, I don’t think NCAA Div-I football can sink any lower, can it? The system is so flawed that people are trying to find ways to justify letting players make money? Does ANYONE, anywhere, remember this premise: “Hey, kid, come play football for our university and in return you can pursue a college degree – for FREE – from our prestigious school.” Everybody – myself included – needs to get heads out of sand, look hard at the situation, and decide if saving ANY remaining standards of decency in this nation is a worthwhile endeavor. Otherwise, what’s the point ?

Dawgone Hypocrites

December 27th, 2010
10:35 am

Here we are again arguing about Cam Newton, going over the same ground we’ve been over a million times now. Can we just let it go and talk some football! All these wanna-be amateur sleuths trying to “determine” what happened….ENOUGH!! The NCAA ruled he’s eligible! Quit beating a dead horse already no one wants to hear your petty whining anymore!!

R.U.KIDDEN-ME???

December 27th, 2010
10:36 am

THAT GOES DOUBLE FOR Dawgone Hypocrites!!!! ORANGE KOOL-AID KILL’S!!!!!

Columbus Dawg

December 27th, 2010
10:37 am

I think JB is right, if Richt does not handle Caleb King correctly, (and Ealey if he is in the same boat), then the drums for his leaving Athens will start up sooner rather than later. Richt’s most important recruiting class of his career is 2011. Adams and McGarity have had the benefit of the doubt so to speak on their unquestioned support of Richt from the money people thus far. This will change quickly if CMR does not make the correct decisions concerning discipline. The fan base will put a lot of stock in the success of the recruiting class. These are two very important 2011 sticking points that will make or break Richt at Georgia. The bad part about this is that these two things start almost imediately, and Richt will not address either issue. Very telling IMO.

surfdawg

December 27th, 2010
10:38 am

I agree DAWGONE don”t bring it up again

Beast from the East

December 27th, 2010
10:39 am

Tony,
The only rule we have in Gainesville about ex-Dawgs as coaches is NO BOBO and NO WILLIE!
LOL!!!!!!!!!!

Dawgone Hypocrites

December 27th, 2010
10:40 am

Funny how everyone is DESPERATE for Cam to go pro after this year! He might not even be a first-round pick according to most draft experts, including Mel Kiper. I heard three different experts say he should stay in school for one more year……Your worst nightmare JB!! Wouldn’t be so quick to say he’s gone….

surfdawg

December 27th, 2010
10:41 am

Yes Joey throw Goff in there to

NCAA

December 27th, 2010
10:42 am

Everyone knows that we’re all about the money. Why else would we be letting Cam play at Auburn ? The NCAA hammer will fall on Auburn only after we have raked in our cash after the championship game. Who in their right mind wants to watch TCU battle Oregon ? Who wants to watch Arkansas play an OSU team without Pryor and a couple of others ? This has always been about the money. You folks are stupid if you think that we didn’t know about Reggie Bush years ago. Show me the money$$$$$$$

Ers

December 27th, 2010
10:42 am

How embarassing for the state to see this on the main yahoo sports page

3 Georgia players ineligible for bowl
3 more Ga. Tech players to miss 1st half

So it’s just Ga schools that check the academic status? Cause I don’t see any other schools doing this and I find it very hard to believe no schools like miami fsu lsu bama fla aub and tenn don’t have any issues with academics and their jocks.

Dawg85

December 27th, 2010
10:43 am

Goldwreck,

The Ohio State players received an extra game suspension because they lied to the NCAA the first time they were asked about it. Therefore, they received an extra game on top of the 4 game suspension.

Really??

December 27th, 2010
10:45 am

Are we really still talking about Cecil Newton? Some folks have no life whatsoever…..

NCAA

December 27th, 2010
10:45 am

Dez Bryant lied to us last year and we suspended his a$$ all year .

wes

December 27th, 2010
10:47 am

Mark Richt has almost destroyed Georgia’s once proud program. Another failure of discipline before we play a critical game. I do not understand how anyone in Atlanta or Bulldogs everywhere can support this rapid decline of our program. 7-5 followed by 6-6 is simply UNACCEPTABLE at Georgia TONY! If you want to be a CHAMPION you have to think and behave like one. The Georgia team under Mark Richt the last 5 years is the DUMBEST team in college football. All those “athletes” we recruit can’t think or behave. We have guys who can run fast, but they are NEVER in position on defense to make plays because they are dumb. Are there not any SMART football players in the state of Georgia who can play defense for us – especially the secondary? Our secondary is the most piss poor bunch of DB’s in the SEC. They can run though. Unfortunately they cannot think, tackle, or cover anyone. It doesn’t matter how f____ fast you are if you can’t think and read QBs and other parts of the offense. We absolutely SUCK on defense. Is this the best the state of Georgia can produce? The answer is HELL NO! Mark Richt has damaged our program so much I wonder how we will be able to recruit the top players in Georgia. After all, if you are a top player in Georgia, would you want to play for this lame duck/soft as warm butter coach? Hey, but Mark Richt is a great guy and he goes to Sunday School – let’s give him more time to destroy our program. If the Georgia administration had any real BALLS he would have been fired already! FIRE MARK RICHT NOW!

NCAA

December 27th, 2010
10:47 am

HEY GUYS I am a clueless idiot who hides behind screen names while my Mom is at work!

Mike

December 27th, 2010
10:49 am

Wonder what happens when all the millionaires get together and realize they can create a development league and lure all the top talent out of college football and these players get paid. It’s gonna happen. Happens in every sport but football. Bye Bye college football as you know it.

NCAA

December 27th, 2010
10:51 am

No , I am a hypocritical orginazation ran by people who’s only objective is making money instead of the student athlete.

Paul in RDU

December 27th, 2010
10:52 am

Dawg85 – The Ohio State players received an extra game suspension because they did not inform the NCAA in November 2009 when they received the “adequate education” on the NCAA rules. At that time they knew that they had committed violations but kept it quiet – a little different from lying to the NCAA but in the same spirit (and another violation of the rules).

BigTimeTECHFan

December 27th, 2010
10:54 am

I don’t see how NCAA can let OSU player play in Bowl game, that’s crazy.

King – Overated to begin with, Ken Malcome and Ealy will be better. good back but after his JR year in HS people were saying he was one of the top 5 backs in the country. Ealy better.

Tech – Give CPJ credit for sticking to the rules, I glad Attaochu (Sp?) gets more playing time, he’s been playing the best of the LB’s the last few weeks, plus more reps for next year for him and Watts.

Jacket play tonight!

surfdawg

December 27th, 2010
10:56 am

Paul it’s not Dawg85″s fault the AJC did’nt pick up on the biggest story of the week until today

producewiz

December 27th, 2010
10:56 am

You are 100% right Tony. Georgia has not beaten the Gators much in over 20 years, so the Dawgs are doing CIA stuff to them.Gator coaches with Dawg connections.Maybe we will hire Goff and Martinez.That ought to do it.New AD at Georgia is no dummy.

anotherdawg

December 27th, 2010
10:59 am

I think I understand. By NCAA actions, to draw the worst penalty is to admit your infraction. To draw a delayed penalty, lie. Or to get off scott free, have no knowlege. lol

NeoDawg

December 27th, 2010
10:59 am

Nobody loves college sports more than me, but a little context here regarding athletes getting paid. UGA had $24m in Intellectual Property (IP) licensing revenue in 2008 compared with Ath Dept’s $70m in revenue. Since $22.8m of the AD revenue came from the Hartman Fund – revenue from actual ops was $47.2m – about twice that from IP licensing revenue but in the same ball park. According to UGA IP rules – the originator of IP must be an employee (i.e. a professor) to get any portion of the licensing fee. If it is a UGA originated research program (kind of like fielding a football team) – UGA is considered the originator and keeps all of the money. Students work on these projects and get nothing except perhaps some tuition fees and maybe a stipend (the equivalent of room and board if that). So the idea of a student at UGA doing work that generates revenue for the university and not getting paid while learning is not unprecedented. The students who work on these IP-related projects, get valuable professional skills and a degree they can use after graduating. So – UGA gets the vast majority of the revenue, some university employee (similar to a coach) MAY make a decent amount of $$ (it has to be their idea) and the students get a learning experience and perhaps some UGA expenses covered. Sounds perfectly analogous to an Athletic Scholarship. Enough with the whining about not paying student athletes while they earn millions for UGA while getting an education- they are not alone. GO TO CLASS and GO DAWGS!

surfdawg

December 27th, 2010
11:00 am

Emmert won’t be head of the NCAA long showing such inconsistency in enforcing the rules

SOS Dawg

December 27th, 2010
11:01 am

Only UGA has stupid playa’s

Sugg Id

December 27th, 2010
11:04 am

Very simple. Cam will go pro because his signing bonus in the NFL will be larger, albeit slightly, than his at Auburn.

1eyedJack

December 27th, 2010
11:06 am

As ol’ Granny used to say, “That boy would forget his head if it were’nt stuck on top of his neck!” Van Halanger, here are your first clients. If not for his physical gifts Caleb would have already flunked out of Technical College.

Shouldn’t OSU players be required to return those illegal benefits?

Coach O

December 27th, 2010
11:08 am

Any remaining doubts about the NCAA’s priorities should now be laid to rest. Revenues first… Ethics last. Now the Sugar Bowl also has an asterisk in waiting — unless the Razorbacks prevail.

Dontavius Supremo

December 27th, 2010
11:08 am

Welcome back Tony. I have missed your writing. By the way, you’re right about Caleb King. What an utter disappointment he has been to the Georgia people. As for the Tech gius missing curfew, you just have to scratch your head, don’t you? Smart enought to go to Tech, but too dumb to get in bed to time. Ah well, the passing parade. Happy new Year, everybody!

Paul in RDU

December 27th, 2010
11:09 am

surfdawg – I have no beef with Dawg85 – just trying to state the facts on the OSU case.

We all know the truth

December 27th, 2010
11:10 am

We now know that unbridaled government sponsored social programs cannot rehab society. LBJ in 65 attempted to do that by ” changing poverty as we know it” and 45 years later, a massive failure is his Great Society.

NCAA is attempting to do that same thing. The universities are simply misguided. Look at Caleb and Ealey and AJ and now the Ohio State kids or the GT kids that are suspended or that DE thug from GT that mandhandled his girl or the one from UGA that did the same thing.

NCAA needs to install RIGOROUS NEW academic requirements across the board and at the same time, get the US public to insist that the NFL develop a minor league program for incorrigibles and ball players. Any kid that does decide on college ……………..will have to play 4 years and then and only then he can turn pro. The so called 5 star and 4 stars all will go to the minor league, where they will be taught basic conversational English, and table manners and general comportment within main stream society ……………..thusly, lifting that burden from colleges. These kids will all earn $200,000 per year for two or three years, lifting weights, running, doing rough PT and tackling drills all at the expense of NFL. See? THEY ALONE should bare that financial burden, not the U of SO and SO.

Problem solved.

terry

December 27th, 2010
11:11 am

I am so disappointed at Emmert. He was highly thought of & respected when he was at LSU & now he has lost it. The NCAA knows they screwed up the whole Cam thing & now are trying to make amends. I’m not condoning what the Ohio State guys did but come on…

Tony, you will see this stuff continuing until they re-address the Cam issue.

You CANNOT shop a player without any retribution & expect other schools to play by the rules after they see others getting away with it.