Why Cam Newton got my vote for the Heisman Trophy

In our post-game of the SEC championship Saturday night, my CBS colleague Tim Brando said that his Heisman vote was going to Auburn quarterback Cameron Newton. He said he was casting the vote “reluctantly” because he wished he knew more facts about the controversial case involving Newton’s father, Cecil, and the extent to which the father may have solicited money in the son’s recruitment.

I’ve read others who have written that they won’t vote for Newton because the father, according to the NCAA, had committed a rules violation by discussing a play-for-pay deal for the son. The NCAA  ultimately decided that the violation did not rise to the level of suspending Cam Newton. A lot of people, including four BCS conference commissioners (ACC, Big Ten, Pac-10, Big 12) publicly expressed disagreement with that ruling. SEC commissioner Mike Slive and incoming NCAA President Mark Emmert have defended the ruling based on the evidence and based on the the NCAA rules, which don’t have a by-law to address this specific case. We can safely say that one will be written in the future.

I respect those people who disagree with the ruling. But if they believe that Newton is the best player in college football this season–and at this point there is little debate on that–I would hope that they obstained from voting as their form of protest. Because if you feel Newton is the best player and you vote for somebody else because of how this case FEELS, that is not fair to the kid or fair to the process.

Now do I wish I knew more? Do I wish all of my questions had been answered? Sure. There is an uncomfortable feeling that more information could come out down the road on this case. Based on what the NCAA said last week this case is still open. Could we still have a Reggie Bush situation? It’s possible.

But I just don’t think we get to make decisions of these kinds based on our FEELINGS. Or at least we shouldn’t. We have to base them on FACTS. And the facts are that the NCAA has looked into this case and determined that Cameron Newton had no knowledge of what his father was doing and that Auburn University, where the son attends school, also had no knowledge of or participated in such talks. You can chose not to believe those findings. That is certainly your right. A year or two from now you could be proven right.

But which is worse:

A) Giving Newton the trophy and then having to take it back when the facts on the ground change? Or

B) Punishing him before all the facts are determined only to discover there is no evidence of cheating? You can go back and say you’re sorry but what good does that do?

I’ll take column A. It won’t be any fun going through another Heisman giveback if it happens. But at least there was a process that had to be followed. If that happens, as embarrassing as it would be, at least the decision was based on facts instead of how people felt about the process.

A guy came up to me the other day and told me he couldn’t vote for Newton because “I know what the facts say but it just LOOKS bad!”

I told him this was not “Dancing With The Stars” where you can vote against Bristol Palin because you don’t like her mother’s politics. Please tell me that the discourse on college football’s biggest award is being conducted on a higher level.

Anway, here is my Heisman ballot, submitted on Sunday:

1. Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn:  The first player in SEC history to rush for over 1,000 yards (1,409) and pass for over 2,000 yards (3,998). He ran for 20 touchdowns and threw for 28 more. He even caught a touchdown pass.

2. LaMichael James, RB, Oregon: Led the nation in rushing with 1,682 yards (152.91 ypg) despite missing one game on suspension. He scored 21 touchdowns rushing.

3. Kellen Moore, QB, Boise State: Completed  71.01 percent of his passes for 3,506 yards, 33 touchdowns and only five interceptions. Last season Moore threw 39 touchdown passes and only three interceptions. In three years Moore is 38-2 as Boise’s starting quarterback.

The Heisman ballot only has three slots but here are four more I would have added:

4. Tyrod Taylor, QB, Virginia Tech: Taylor has been magnificent this season and if the Hokies had not started 0-2 he would have gotten stronger consideration for the Heisman. Taylor threw for 23 touchdowns and only four interceptions and was the driving force behind Virginia Tech’s 11-game winning streak.

5. Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State: This guy is a freak of nature just like Calvin Johnson was for Georgia Tech. He had 102 catches for 1,665 yards and 18 touchdowns. He led Division I-A  in receptions per game (9.27) and receiving yards per game (151.36).

6. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford: This guy will be the No. 1 quarterback  taken in the NFL Draft. He led the Pac-10 in total offense with 438 yards rushing and 3,051 passing. He averaged 8.72 per offensive play. He’s a big reason Stanford is 11-1 and going to the Orange Bowl.

7. Colin Kaepernick, QB, Nevada: He is the West Coast version of Cam Newton. Kaepernick was No. 9 in the nation in total offense with 1,184 rushing and another 2,830 passing. He ran for 20 touchdowns and passed for 21 more.

So who did I leave out?

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975 comments Add your comment

Erked Russell

December 10th, 2010
7:52 am

second

December 10th, 2010
7:53 am

Erked Russell

December 10th, 2010
7:53 am

If you think he didn’t get paid to go to Awwburn you are crazy

B

December 10th, 2010
7:57 am

How about Tom Brady? He’s had a great year and if we’re opening it up to paid athletes, he deserves consideration.

SEC fan

December 10th, 2010
7:58 am

Another sports writer in Florida said he is not voting for Cam based on an integrity clause the Heisman Trust installed after the Reggie Bush fiasco. So I guess a voter can vote on something other than FACTS. Tony, get your FACTS right.

Hackjob

December 10th, 2010
7:59 am

Erked, it’s good to know that you’re smarter and more well-informed than the NCAA and the SEC and the Auburn enforcement staff.

EW

December 10th, 2010
7:59 am

You meant ABSTAIN, not OBSTAIN

Paul

December 10th, 2010
7:59 am

For me — the smell is just too strong to tolerate. Voters are supposed to use judgment, their own too, not just the NCAAs. I’d go to Kaepernick, although the others are good candidates.

jacked jacket

December 10th, 2010
8:00 am

SO CLOSE but 7th!!!!!!!!!!!!

heyberto

December 10th, 2010
8:02 am

I guess the Heisman is fine if the part mentioned in the criteria for the award about ‘character’ doesn’t count. Forget Cecil’s shopping his son around, and how his son has defended him.. saying he knew ‘nothing’ yet knows his father has his best interests at heart… just look at his Shenanigans at Florida.. is that the kind of character that a Heisman winner should display? On the field, of course he deserves it.. but its incredible how quickly the voters seem to be dismissing the whole character issue on this one. I’m disappointed in you Tony.

Urban Meyer

December 10th, 2010
8:03 am

I voted for Chris Rainey.

dawghuff

December 10th, 2010
8:05 am

When you give you vote to a cheater, it takes away a trophy from someone who deserves it. Cam is a liar. Plain and simple. He lied abot the laptop, he’s lying about taking the money.

Top Dawg

December 10th, 2010
8:06 am

I think Aaron Murray should get it. Just how bad would my Dawgs have been if he hadn’t played so well? It’s supposed to go to the best player, but also to the one that improves his team. Murray did that. Go Dawgs!!

SimpleDawg

December 10th, 2010
8:07 am

Obstain is when you stubbornly refuse to vote or give an opinion.

slippery slope

December 10th, 2010
8:08 am

`
Cam was a little ‘rude’ to Mr. Hugh Green on stage last night.

BuckBlue

December 10th, 2010
8:09 am

Did you vote for Reggie Bush when he won?

Randy

December 10th, 2010
8:09 am

Sort of like a murderer who gets away on a technicality. He’s guilty but the processing of information got screwed up.

tom

December 10th, 2010
8:09 am

Kellen Moore’s performance last season should not enter in this years nomination. The award is about this season only. I agree with all other comments you made. Those who vote against Cam because of the allegations are short sited and don’t deserve to have a vote. I recognize your comment on Moore was about adding more people to the contest.

mhk

December 10th, 2010
8:10 am

Agreed. Cameron is easily the best player in college football this year. I also feel strongly that the rule, as it currently stands, should not inhibit Cam from winning the Heisman.

JDW

December 10th, 2010
8:10 am

Cam is a young guy and it is possible that he can straighten himself out in the future. But facts are facts, he is an admitted cheat and thief. It got him expelled form FL and now we have this cloud of doubt hanging over him. Letting him play and giving him awards under these circumstances does nothing but make him feel bulletproof in the mold of Bush, Vick et al

ARdawg

December 10th, 2010
8:11 am

Tony Barnhart is a Gomer

SimpleDawg

December 10th, 2010
8:11 am

There are more worthy candidates for the Heisman this year than in other year that I can remember.

Scam-son wins in a landslide. Scam-Daddy is already working on NFL contract……and what his take will be.

Awbarn hammers the Ducks.

SEC_Analyst

December 10th, 2010
8:11 am

Tony,

I wish that you knew more also. I wish that you knew basic spelling and grammar.

That said, you almost got one thing right — in your last paragraph. Dancing With the Stars is the perfect analogy for this year’s Heisman Trophy Award. College Football has been turned into a bad joke, and you seem to revel in your role as a court jester.

SimpleDawg

December 10th, 2010
8:12 am

Randy….kinda like OJ.

KidRay

December 10th, 2010
8:12 am

Newton, Luck, Moore, James, Blackmon.

James is a system rb, just like all those Hawaii/TxTech qbs.

UgaLeeDawg

December 10th, 2010
8:15 am

Ok here is the stat that tells. Cam Newton threw for more yards than your top QB and almost outrushed the top RB on your list. Holy hell man! I think they should give him the trophy and start giving away the Newton trophy next year. I think he is a crook and dirty but he is a talented dirty crook….Just wow!

Dawg_Mike

December 10th, 2010
8:17 am

$cam said it was a “private” matter. There. That settles it.

SEC_Analyst

December 10th, 2010
8:18 am

I agree with a suggestion made on yesterday’s blog. Cam Newton should receive the Heisman Trophy that Reggie Bush returned.

Dawg_Mike

December 10th, 2010
8:19 am

He looked good, he sounded good- the only thing missing was the Eldrick Woods line- ” that’s private”

rincon dog

December 10th, 2010
8:19 am

James has had his run in with the law as well. The heisman winners are the ones who should have this vote, not some hack journalist trying to put himself in the story when it should be about the players.

S GA AUFAN

December 10th, 2010
8:20 am

I say it’s great to be an Auburn Tiger!

Camp, Obrien, Maxwell, Lombardi, Home Depot Coach of the Year and maybe a Heisman … go Tigers!

http://auburntigers.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/120810aaf.html

ATL is TigerTown

December 10th, 2010
8:20 am

I have very little interest in the opinions on character from someone who doesn’t appear to have any, based on the comments being made here. You don’t know Cam Newton. You have no idea what his character is. Most of what I’ve read and seen about Cam Newton would indicate that his character is above reproach and that he is a very solid citizen.
It seems pretty clear to me that the vast majority of you ‘extremely intelligent gentlemen’ who choose to beleive the worst are supporters of teams who’ve been demolished by Cam and his Auburn team mates. That’s pretty base and very pedestrian. And it speaks volumes about your own character. Cam’s a hometown boy. He deserves some respect and support no matter what team he plays for. What if he were your kid? You people are disgusting.
Tony got it right and all your whining and complaining won’t change that. I’m confident that Auburn and Cam Newton will come out of all this unscathed. Ever hear the phrase “innocent until PROVEN guilty”?
In the mean time, It’s great to be an Auburn Tiger. War Damn Eagle!
Have a nice day.

SEC_Analyst

December 10th, 2010
8:22 am

ATL is Tiger*Town

Pat Haden

December 10th, 2010
8:22 am

Shame on you, Mr. CFB.

slippery slope

December 10th, 2010
8:23 am

College Football’s biggest award
is getting less BIG every year.

John

December 10th, 2010
8:23 am

Tony,
What about the Heisman’s mission that states, “The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity.”

Slippery Slope !!

December 10th, 2010
8:25 am

Please, anyone give me thoughts on this………

NCAA got it wrong. I personally dont believe that a Cam had no idea about the money. Fathers and sons going through such a process are generally very, very close to one another. I just dont buy it.

Heres the deal. The NCAA has created a slippery slope. Now, family members of big time recruits may solicite those recruits for money, and as long as the NCAA cant “prove” the player knew about it, it goes unpunished. I can see it now. Family member solicites recruit, puts money in an account, and win the player is finished with college football, the money is there. Not all big name recruits go to the NFL, so as an incoming freshman, having 200k set aside when you quit, retire from injury, or graduate, would be nice.

Cam stole a laptop. Cheated twice on exams. Sorry , but its hard for me to give him the benefit of the doubt. Im not a AU hater, but having practiced law for over a decade now, my instincts tell meits a scam.

RxDawg

December 10th, 2010
8:25 am

I saw his interview yesterday. He dances around questions and refuses to flat out deny things. They are GUILTY. The whole dang world knows it. The SEC coaches know it and that’s why they voted in Spurrier as the coach of the year (ya know, rather than a 2nd year coach leading his team to an undefeated national championship). This season was such a terrible joke it wouldn’t surprise me if the popularity and ratings of college football drop off next year.

DirkDawggler

December 10th, 2010
8:26 am

Who cares anymore? The Heisman Trophy is the most politicized award out there. I guess no one learned from the Reggie Bush experience.

Newton’s Heisman will eventually be stripped anyway, thus devaluing the award for future recipients.

Here’s a question for you, Tony: Do you honestly believe Cam Newton did not know that Cecil was shopping him? Inquiring minds want to know…

VDawg

December 10th, 2010
8:26 am

In the Mission statement for the Heisman it states it “recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity.” Now, as a die hard DAWG I tell you Tim Tebow is the Epitome of this mission statement. Cam Newton, through his scanal filled career in CF does not come close. Excellence on the feild – well hell yea he’s a baller! Does he carry, has he carried himself with integrity? No sir he hasn’t. Unfortunate because he is a hell of a player, but fact is he does not represent what this award recognizes. Do I think he got paid at Auburn? Not realy. Do I think he is aware of what his father was up to? Hell yes.

GTPhenom2

December 10th, 2010
8:27 am

I am pleased to say Joshua the Robot Nesbott!

SOGADOG

December 10th, 2010
8:28 am

It is a fact that Cam’s father Cecil solicited money from Miss State for his son’s commitment; that alone should preclude Cam from receiving this award. There have been no consequences to Cecil Newton’s conduct and therefore other parents, relatives and friends of recruiting prospects wont be deterred from soliciting money from schools in exchange for commitments and then claiming the prospect didnt know about the solicitation. Giving Cam the Heisman trophy rewards bad behavior and sends the message that what Cecil did is OK.

Slippery Slope !!

December 10th, 2010
8:29 am

RX Dawg…… I agree %100. Whats going to happen when evidence surfaces. Will it be disclosed or will the NCAA sweep it under the rug???

Its not just about Cam, letting Cam play has vritually taken away an opportunity from another school and all their players who perhaps followed the law. NCAA cant afford another Reggie Bush ordeal.

SEC_Analyst

December 10th, 2010
8:29 am

John,

Integrity is a fine ideal, but there are times when integrity has to take a back-seat to league profitability. Think of all of the people like Tony, Mike Slive, Paul Finebaum and Colin Cowherd that might actually have to work for a living if this cash cow should be allowed to dry up.

VOLinATL

December 10th, 2010
8:29 am

The Heisman lost any validity when they voted for Charles Woodson over Peyton Manning in 1997. Face it; it has about the same creditability of the voting as “Dancing with the Stars”. It is a farce.

Georgia

December 10th, 2010
8:30 am

because you are stupid

Slippery Slope !!

December 10th, 2010
8:31 am

Why has no one explained why he was originally rule inelligible???

Get Real

December 10th, 2010
8:33 am

Dead wrong on this one TB – here is the Heisman Trust Mission Statement:

The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. Winners epitomize great ability combined with diligence, perseverance, and hard work. The Heisman Trophy Trust ensures the continuation and integrity of this award. The Trust, furthermore, has a charitable mission to support amateur athletics and to provide greater opportunities to the youth of our country. Our goal through these charitable endeavors is for the Heisman Trophy to symbolize the fostering of a sense of community responsibility and service to our youth, especially those disadvantaged or afflicted. All assets of the Trust beyond the expense of maintaining the annual presentation of the Heisman Memorial Trophy are reserved for such charitable causes. The Trustees, who all serve pro bono, are guided by a devotion to college football and are committed to community service and the valued tradition which the Trophy represents.

It’s not about what only happens on the field. Heisman selection process is not a trial where only the facts are considered. Integrity is subjective by its nature which is why all the commentary on Cam passing the smell test – he does not.

duke

December 10th, 2010
8:34 am

i think kellen moore should get it

PMC

December 10th, 2010
8:36 am

It’s not your job as a voter to investigate cases. Judging from the eligible people right now Cam Newton was the obvious choice this season. I don’t see how you could have voted otherwise Tony.

UGADawg83

December 10th, 2010
8:36 am

Cam getting the award is just as disgusting as OJ having a vote.

PMC

December 10th, 2010
8:37 am

If “integrity” is important the NCAA is going to have to shut itself down along with the majority of the Heisman trust.

John

December 10th, 2010
8:37 am

Those writers who refused to vote for him out of their “feelings” should have their ballots voided and their Heisman voting privileges stripped from them. If I were their newspaper editor or publisher, I would fire them too because they have demonstrated blatant bias and prejudice and have sghown they don’t have the credentials or judgment to be sports writer or editor. He is the best player in the country and there has not been any hint of any misconduct in recruiting tied to him or Auburn University. We didn’t punish Mark Ingram in 2009 when his dad was in prison for committing a crime. Why should Cam Newton be punished for his father’s actions when Cam Newton knew nothing about it?

DawginLex

December 10th, 2010
8:38 am

Kentucky QB Mike Hartline arrested at 3 am this morning for public drunkenness and resisting arrest.

He is out of the bowl game.

Does this make UK “thug U”?

:) :) :)

John

December 10th, 2010
8:39 am

ATL is TigerTown I agree that most people hate on Cam because he may have destroyed their team but there to say his character is above reproach is absurd. He threw a laptop out of the window. He bought a laptop for $100 that was worth a $1000 he says the price “it was really too good to be true.” He then threw it out the window. He knew what was up. This is not a kid above reproach. The cheating rumors are another problem. The key is they are rumors. To say he is above reproach is absurd. To say generally he is a good kid could be arguable. To be above reproach is someone like Tim Tebow not Cam Newton.

Dawg_Mike

December 10th, 2010
8:39 am

“Greenbacks for Cam ”

I am Cam !
Cam I am!
Cam don’t have no greenbacks. Damn!

Did you take them, Cam-I-am?
Did you take
Greenbacks for Cam ?

I did not take them!
Cam-I-am!
I did not take
Greenbacks for Cam .

Did you take them
Here or there?

I would not take them
here or there.
I would not take them
anywhere.
I did not take
Greenbacks for Cam .
I did not take them.
Cam-I-am!

Did you take them
On the Plain?
Did you take them
From Jimmy Rane?

I did not take them
On the Plain.
I did not take them
From Jimmy Rane.
I did not take
Greenbacks for Cam .
I did not take them!
Cam-I-am!

Did you take from
Lowder? Dye?
Or any Auburn alumni?

Not from Lowder.
Not from Dye.
Not from Auburn alumni.
Not from Rane
Or on the Plain.
No dough did Cam-I-am obtain!

I did not take them.
Cam-I-am!
I did not take those greenbacks.
Damn!

You did not take them.
So you say.
But Cecil.
Did he make them pay?

Cecil? Yes! It’s like you say!
Reverend Cecil made them pay!
Reverend Cecil ran the scam.
He passed the plate for Cam-I-am.

He took from Lowder.
And from Dye.
From several Auburn alumni.
He took from Rane
Out on the Plain.
Two hundred thou! Let’s have champagne!

Cecil ran the pay-for-play.
And Cam knew nothing. Zip. No way.
He’s cool with NC double-AA.

I am Cam . Cam I am!
Bring my Heisman.
What a sham.

Alphare

December 10th, 2010
8:39 am

Newton was suspended, and there is a violation.

Auburn might not know it, Newton might not know it (I seriously doubt) doesn’t mean much.

If the rule writers were smart enough, this line should be in the book: if any blood relatives pimp for an college athlete, the athlete is to be suspended at least 2 games.

I am surprised there is no such rule because the dumb people with NCAA.

Auburn just got lucky there.

Dawg Fan

December 10th, 2010
8:40 am

Truly a wasted vote. Here is person who was stopped 12 times by police while in Florida, another time arrested for stealing a laptop, caught cheating 3 times in school, then tells everyone that he had no idea his father whom he claims he is extremely close to, and also a player agent who he is captured in a photo with at Miss St., never told him he was beeing shoped for money. Why would anyone believe anything that came of Cam Newtons mouth? Eventually it will all come out and Auburn will be stripped of everything and the Heisman will be returned again.

Dumbo

December 10th, 2010
8:40 am

I’d vote Cecil Newton for Heisman

DawginLex

December 10th, 2010
8:41 am

I hope enough people have the guts to vote for someone else.

To say that this whole thing doesn’t smeel bad is like turning your head and pretending it didn’t happen.

It did happen.

Cecil Newton solicited his son to play intercollegiate athletics.

His son should not receive any awards.

If you want to say his team and school had nothing to do with it, fine. But don’t give an individual award to Newton.

Mike

December 10th, 2010
8:41 am

Newton will win the Heisman Saturday night. He will not have it in 2 years. He and his family have no integrity or character.

Ed

December 10th, 2010
8:41 am

It is just sad that we are even having this discussion. I just wonder how many “Cams” are out there. Sure tarnishes the luster of college football and everything that makes it special. I am sad.

TallyDawg

December 10th, 2010
8:41 am

Barnhart is a tool for the NCAA and SEC. He is no better than Cecil Newton.

DawginLex

December 10th, 2010
8:41 am

smell, not smeel although smeel might be a better pronunciation

NERDS!!! 42-34!!! 73-72!!!

December 10th, 2010
8:42 am

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SEC_Analyst

December 10th, 2010
8:43 am

Slippery Slope !!,

It’s been explained. The NCAA gave Auburn cover by allowing them to declare Cam ineligible, all the while promising that he would be reinstated the very next day.

Now, when the investigation is “completed”, Auburn will be declared free from liability, because they followed NCAA procedures. The NCAA will announce that their bylaws contained an unfortunate loophole and that they will modify the text of the bylaws to correct the “mistake”. If the news media eventually forces the NCAA to admit that Cam was ineligible for the 2010 season by revealing facts that Auburn, the SEC and the NCAA would prefer to leave under the rug, then Auburn will face no sanctions aside from vacating wins from their “magical season”. Asterisks will be placed in the record books and we will all just pretend that this whole sordid affair never happened.

Alphare

December 10th, 2010
8:44 am

John, you said “Why should Cam Newton be punished for his father’s actions when Cam Newton knew nothing about it?”

How do you know Cam Newton knew nothing about it? can you shed some light on it? a lot of voters want to know more about it so that they can cast their votes with peace of mind.

VDawg

December 10th, 2010
8:44 am

Peyton”Throw it to the other team” Manning didn’t get the Heisman because he wasn’t the right choice.

lllkjiuhuiguyg

December 10th, 2010
8:45 am

dip

December 10th, 2010
8:46 am

From the Heisman trust
The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. Winners epitomize great ability combined with diligence, perseverance, and hard work. The Heisman Trophy Trust ensures the continuation and integrity of this award. The Trust, furthermore, has a charitable mission to support amateur athletics and to provide greater opportunities to the youth of our country. Our goal through these charitable endeavors is for the Heisman Trophy to symbolize the fostering of a sense of community responsibility and service to our youth, especially those disadvantaged or afflicted. All assets of the Trust beyond the expense of maintaining the annual presentation of the Heisman Memorial Trophy are reserved for such charitable causes. The Trustees, who all serve pro bono, are guided by a devotion to college football and are committed to community service and the valued tradition which the Trophy represents
Integrity – didn’t Cam get kicked out of Florida because he either stole a laptop or bought a stolen laptop and threw it out the window when he was confronted by police? Didn’t Cam get caught cheating 3 times as a college athelete? I am not even going to mention dear old dad shopping him.
Give him the award as the best college football player but he has NO integrity. Tony you and ESPN are what is becoming so wrong with college football and society – you turn a blind eye to character because of popularity.

colorado and kentucky

December 10th, 2010
8:46 am

whine….. nad lickers whine…..rule breakers….criminals, 11 arrests, 6 wins, so for 10 wins there will be 18 arrests? I do believe that UCF if rolling up the newspaper for your bowl. And Bosie puts up 100 on your ’saintly’ pups. U better get back to your madden 2011 to see the pups in a championship, that is, IF U can work it with all the ‘cheats’.

slippery slope

December 10th, 2010
8:46 am

The pursuit of excellence with ……… INTEGRITY.

Integrity is a concept of consisitency of actions, values, measures, principles, and outcomes.
In ethics, integrity is regarded as the quality of having an intuitive sense of honesty and truthfulness in regard to the motivations for one’s actions. Integrity can be regarded as the opposite of hypocrisy, in that it regards internal consistency as a virtue, and suggests that parties holding apparently conflicting values should account for the discrepancy or alter their beliefs.

dt4c

December 10th, 2010
8:46 am

I certainly think the title “Mr. College Football” should be relinquished because you no longer support amateur sports. You and everyone else knows that Scam knew. He admitted it when he told MSU! That is what started the whole uncovering of the mess. Are you calling the MSU coaching staff liars? I just find the whole thing repulsive.

cattledawg

December 10th, 2010
8:46 am

Tony, you and all others who vote for Cam should lose your vote. Its a joke that the year after Reggie Bush. A year after they put in an INTEGRITY clause. Cam is who will win the trophy. A complete joke.

BG

December 10th, 2010
8:49 am

Tony, The truth about Cam will come out and he will have to return the trophy. So,You just wasted your vote on him!

FalconUGAFan

December 10th, 2010
8:49 am

Good… maybe now people will realize that this isn’t an UGA-led conspiracy. Sure we opinions just like everyone else, but some agree with you and some don’t. Of course..I don’t doubt it…everyone likes to blame UGA fans for everything.

Dawgs2010

December 10th, 2010
8:50 am

Tony,

I hope your fat arse drops dead over the Christmas break.

Bama Fan #2

December 10th, 2010
8:51 am

Cam Newton is the best college football player by far in 2010 but to be the heisman tophy
and Auburn’s SEC title is a COMPLETE JOKE!! His father tried to sell to the highest
bidder and that is totally wrong just like when Logan Young gave 200,000 dollars for
Albert Means in 2000!! RTR

bank walker

December 10th, 2010
8:51 am

The heisman is a joke and so is barnhart. Barnhart is just a puppet for CBS, and he won’t dare say what he really thinks, like the rest of us. Newton is a great athlete, but he hasn’t an ounce of integrity and neither does the chumps that vote for him. It’s all about the money and you, Slive and the NZAA are ruining college football. DO NOT WATCH THE HEISTMAN PRESENTATION!

Patrick

December 10th, 2010
8:54 am

The NCAA has become a joke, and the Heisman will be a joke as well if Newton wins. He’s been the best player on the field, but the Heisman is also intended to award honor and integrity… and both of those are huge question marks for Cam Newton.

meh

December 10th, 2010
8:54 am

I don’t care what the NCAA said. There is no way that Cam Newton didn’t know what his father was doing. Not if there as close as Cam acts like they are. And if you honestly believe that Cam was clueless than you sir are clueless.

jacksonville

December 10th, 2010
8:56 am

You could see it in his eyes last night. He isnt telling the whole truth.

If you dont want to tell the kid your sorry after the award has been taken from him, what is your explaination to the kid who comes in second and he wont be recognized for his accomplishments.

So times you have to make hard choices in the life, to punish some and reward others.

Not an auburn fan, but ironic how 2004 they had the best team and got passed by a cheater, then 2010 they had the cheater and will have their NC taken away. The irony staggers the mind.

JSNEAD

December 10th, 2010
8:56 am

I strongly believe that if Cam was a mighty-whitey boy we would not be having this discussion. But because he is black, we got a silly discussion. He very well deserves the honor and should receive it. Shopping around goes on all-day everyday (black or white) in the game, so get over it. Let his father get paid for his son’s talent. RACE is playing a big role in the dumd idiots decision making…THEY SUCK;)

SecBeast

December 10th, 2010
8:57 am

Cam is not an admitted cheater or theif. He bought a stolen laptop and he panicked when investigators showed up. He threw the laptop out of a window and he lied about his wrong-doings. Yes, this was bad judgement and he also was punished for it- 3 years ago. As for the academic cheating allegations they may or may not be true. If they are true then the question needs to be posed to the University of Florida- “Why did you release his transcript and make him eligible to transfer?” He was never expelled from the University of Florida and he was granted eligibility to transfer, with credit for courses taken. He was eligible to transfer to Blynn junior college and he was eligible to transfer to Auburn. Either the allegations are not valid or Florida chose not to follow their own established protocol for cheating violations. All of these allegations relate to events that are 2-3 years old. He was eligible to transfer to Auburn, he was eligible to play football, and the NCAA has ruled that he is still eligible. The Heisman voters should cast their votes as they feel is appropriate. I am in total agreement with this article- according to the facts we have today, Cam is eligible for the Heisman.

GeorgiaDuck

December 10th, 2010
8:57 am

Tony,

As an Oregon alum, I have to admit that Cam Newton’s on field performance is Heisman worthy.

Elliot Garcia

December 10th, 2010
8:58 am

Too bad your vote will be vacated in a couple of years Tony….

Buckeye

December 10th, 2010
8:59 am

Dawg Mike,

Hey Dude. Get a life. Spend some time with your wife and kids…..Geez.

AltamahaDawg

December 10th, 2010
9:01 am

I’d vote for him as the best player in college football. I see no problem for him waking away with that trophy. But I would adorn it with a set of mule blinders.

bank walker

December 10th, 2010
9:01 am

JSnead….get your stupid butt back on fries and leave race out of it, you big dummy. This isn’t about race. Your father should have caught you in a rag!

Some Things Never Change

December 10th, 2010
9:01 am

Auburn’s Undefeated Seasons:

1957 – 10-0 National Champions* (NCAA Probation)

1993 – 11-0 No Television, No Bowls, No Championships* (NCAA Probation)

2004 – 13-0 Sociology-gate for academically ineligible JUCO transfers triggered by Jet-gate in 2003 (SACS Probation)

2010 – 13-0 SEC Champions* (Cam-gate – Ongoing NCAA Investigation)

In Lee County, you can’t say “undefeated season” without saying “probation”.

Blue

December 10th, 2010
9:03 am

You left out Robinson from Michigan. They have probably the worst defense I have possibly EVER seen from a D1 team, but if you saw him play, he definitely should be in that group.

Also, as to your “not fair” comment; grow up…life is not fair.

Tom

December 10th, 2010
9:05 am

GA Punter asks Cam for an autograph.

“Excuse me, Daddy….can I have your autograph?”

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/19/20101210/img/psp-correction-college-fb-a-81a80cc46992.html

cptzzggyy

December 10th, 2010
9:06 am

Newton should be glad that he went to Auburn & not UGA. If the 13 moving traffic violations he committed during his brief time at UF had been committed while attending UGA, he would have been suspended for most of the season.

wins-by-a-link

December 10th, 2010
9:07 am

Sorry, No Heisman for Cam, Excellent football player but lacks integrity ( stolen laptop, cheating on test), Too many clouds hanging over this whole process, I’m sure money probably changed hands wheather Cam was aware or not does not matter, Looks like the old saying of ” A father’s sins will be visited on his son” applys here.

Diaspointed in Mike Slive

December 10th, 2010
9:07 am

The fact is Cam became ineligible for the entire season once Cecil solicited the plan,it is plainly stated in the SEC and NCAA rules. Whether he went to AU is irrelevant, the moment the solicitation occurred he became ineligible.

North Avenue Ned

December 10th, 2010
9:08 am

I thought you AJC guys wre prohibited friom voting. You a PC?

LTB

December 10th, 2010
9:08 am

He certainly deserves the award based on his statistics. I just wish he were a little more humble about his situation instead of being a hot dog on the sidelines during AND after the game.

AltamahaDawg

December 10th, 2010
9:09 am

Dawg ike, I thought it was funny man. Buckeye is just trying to say, Go be a good Daddy, like Cecil.

STRETCH

December 10th, 2010
9:09 am

Ok, YOU CAN REMOVE HIM FROM THE FRONT PAGE NOW!

Some Folks are Above the Rules

December 10th, 2010
9:10 am

Get used to it people. It’s the world we live in.

AltamahaDawg

December 10th, 2010
9:10 am

Scam Newton

December 10th, 2010
9:10 am

Cam Newton, Cecil Newton, Auburn…the whole thing is a fraud…a deserate attempt from a 2nd tier program to become relevant after what Florida, and especially Bama pulled off in the years prior…cecil newton not in attendance at the SEC Championship game…he won’t be at the Heisman either and Cam starts his post game press conference (his first interivew in over a month) by reading from a perpared statement…that’s all you need to know…the truth will ultimately come out…it alwasy does…

lovelyliz

December 10th, 2010
9:11 am

SO domestic violence is fine but something your daddy might have done is unforgivable?!?!?!?

Zach

December 10th, 2010
9:11 am

You people are crazy. What is going on in this world? I understand what fans read this blog, but listen to yourselves. What if the NCAA continues their investigation for the next year, two years, five years follows every lead and questions every person and finds nothing? Are you still going to say that this 21 year old is a bad person and shouldn’t win any award when he is clearly the best player in CFB?

Half of you are bringing up stuff that happened at UF? So now the Heisman is life long judgement contest? What if he had a conviction for stealing in high school? In middle school? What if he shot someone 10 years after he won the award? Should the all powerful Heisman Trust, and you people, have the right to deny or take away his award?

I respect the fact that people have opinons, however, have dignity and don’t subject yourself to unwarranted conclusions that you have developed in 2 minutes of thought after watching Sports Center.

Steve

December 10th, 2010
9:13 am

Enter your comments here

J

December 10th, 2010
9:13 am

It cracks me up how people act like no other athletes (and that didn’t go to SMU in the early 80’s at least) have EVER been paid by boosters. As long as money has been made from football, players have been getting paid. And if you believe that NONE of the other Heisman candidates have received any banned extras for their performances, then come & see me, I have some toxic waste that cures all ailments. I’ll sell it to you at a reasonable price.

Sorry!

December 10th, 2010
9:13 am

The funny thing is if you listen to the interview Cam gave with ESPN he says “he did no wrong” and then proceeds to say ‘I’ve did no wrong anywhere that I have been” So we all know he is lying about the second part because at UF he knowingly bought a stolen laptop and was caught cheating numerous times. So if he is going to lie about that then I don’t believe anything that he says.

Some Folks are Above the Rules

December 10th, 2010
9:14 am

Zach,

Let him have the stupid award. It doesn’t mean anything anyway. It should just be re-named the Reggie Bush Award.

RIP CFB… It was great while it lasted.

Spellchecker

December 10th, 2010
9:14 am

Tone, your UGA education is showing through. I believe the word is “abstain” instead of “obstain.” That said, I do agree with your points and enjoy your columns and blogs.

Tom

December 10th, 2010
9:15 am

Zach — in short, the answer is NO. GA fans are such miserable human beings and have nothing else to focus on except for their mediocre football team. To deflect the focus off of their miserable season, they go after the best team. Logic does not apply to them.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/19/20101210/img/psp-correction-college-fb-a-81a80cc46992.html

GoalieLax

December 10th, 2010
9:19 am

“Vacated” will soon join Archie Griffin as the only two time winner of the Heisman

I guess Tony doesn’t care much for the integrity part of the Heisman criteria

SuperB

December 10th, 2010
9:19 am

One more time: When Cam Newton called his recruiter at Mississippi State to apologize for not being able to sign with his no. 1 choice, did he say (paraphrased) “The money was too good at Auburn.” This was reported on Nov. 9 by ESPN.com I think. Can someone clear this up?
Thanks.

Some Folks are Above the Rules

December 10th, 2010
9:19 am

Saddam Hussein won every election in a landslide. He might have been lacking in morality and integrity, but there was no doubt among the electorate that he was the best leader on the ballot.

Wells

December 10th, 2010
9:20 am

I agree with Zach. I have seen the things that have come out about Newton when he was at Florida, but that was two years ago. There’s nothing that has occurred when he was at Blinn or Auburn that show he’s still the same guy that was at Florida. What if him going to Blinn was his wake up call as he had to watch Florida on their way to another National Title and he would have been apart of that team.

Everyone wants to talk about integrity, but I have yet to see someone mention that he goes to an elementary school every Monday to read to students. Now everyone who wants to throw stones out here, how many of you volunteer your time on your day off? When did we become a society that does not want to see a person over come set backs or mistakes that occurred earlier in their life?

Integrity plays a part in the Heisman trophy winner’s character it’s not the end all. This is mostly a football award for the best football player. Now I believe every can vote the way that they want to, but as Tony said I think it would be awful if the NCAA ruling stayed the same and this guy did not get the trophy.

I don’t think writers who have never played should be voting anyway. I have yet to hear an actual Heisman recipient say that they weren’t voting for him. Those are the votes that should actually count. Not some goofy writer looking for a way to get his name in the headlines.

David

December 10th, 2010
9:20 am

I’d vote for Cam Newton because he is the best player this year. I believe he should’ve been suspended for Alabama game and/or Oregon game because other players across the country have been suspended and/or banned for lesser crimes. And even if he were suspended, I’d still vote for Cam.

JB

December 10th, 2010
9:22 am

A race car driver wins a race using illegal fuel. A sprinter wins a track meet using steroids. A golfer wins using an illegal ball. A democrat wins counting dead folks votes. Cam will win the Heisman by pay per play. People hate cheaters. Accepting money didn’t make him a great player, God Did. I hope for the Sake of the SEC, not Auburn, non of it is true, But like Clinton with Monica, you can waggle that finger just so long………..And then poof, the proof comes along.

Paul N Destin

December 10th, 2010
9:23 am

The voters were placed in a tuff position for sure. Cam is the best player. This trophy is the least of the problem once all is known about the Auburn program. The 5 SEC MNS will be forever looked upon with a different view once this process is complete. The sooner this process is complete the better for the SEC so we can go forward and try to repair the damage done but it will take awhile folks. You will not be hearing much from the Auburn folks once the process is complete.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
9:24 am

Wow, more Newton stuff huh?

Steve

December 10th, 2010
9:24 am

Dawg fans……you have a lot of hate…wow!!! It is amazing how you want to get all high and mighty..so pure…want to discuss if Cam was the perfect student-athlete. Wow, Auburn whipped your butts, and everyone else that came in their way, and you just can’t stand it…so you whine. Regardless of the claims…all the rules, the standards of the game (same field dimensions, same size of football, same refs) were the same…and they BEAT everyone fair and square on the field!!! grab you whiny buckets, your stuffed dawg, elephant, gator and go cry somewhere else!!

THEGAME

December 10th, 2010
9:24 am

All of these folks saying that Auburn paid Newton to go there, then I guess I can say UGA paid Alec Ogletree to go there. I have no evidence but I will say it since he has been convicted of stealing and he is form Newnan.

anythinggoesinAL

December 10th, 2010
9:25 am

This whole thing is Fu$@ing disgusting.NO way will I ever see Auburn in the same light with the rest of the SEC EVER again.They make me want to vomit!

Lawrence

December 10th, 2010
9:26 am

When Georgia or Alabama win, their fans make some people want to throw up. When Auburn wins, their fans make everybody want to throw up.

USC GAMEC0CK

December 10th, 2010
9:26 am

You left off MARCUS LATTIMORE….

but I understand that you are still pissed thinking of him running up Georgia’s gut…over and over!!

joe

December 10th, 2010
9:27 am

Andrew Luck seventh. That makes it a joke. Your article should have been written as follows.
because I am a homer. Article over.

SlapAjacket

December 10th, 2010
9:27 am

JSNEAD! If SCAM is black, my scrotum is a space shuttle. Not everthing is about RACE. Unless you’re O J.

SuperB

December 10th, 2010
9:28 am

To Zach, Tom and the rest of you “Industrial Engineers,” (to engineering what chiropractic is to medicine,) the only reason Newton wasn’t thrown out of Florida was he quit school before the next semester started and he could be charged with plagiarism. Does any intelligent person (Zach and Tom sit this one out,) think Cam didn’t know his Dad was peddling him to the highest bidder?

Also, since GT is in the ACC you will always be subservient Zach and Tom: that means inferior) to the SEC in every sport but basketball.

gdawginkalamazoo

December 10th, 2010
9:29 am

I like that idea of giving him Reggie Bush’s old Heisman. Then if anything does come up later he sends it back in for the next candidate that has a shady past. Use the real ceremony for the kids who have worked hard to do things the right way in life.

Bama

December 10th, 2010
9:29 am

Give him the Heisman, he deserves it. If there is dirt it will eventually come out. Auburn will go ahead and win the National Championship, and I am ready for that to be over with. I am ready for September 2011 to get here so the new season can start and things will be back to normal as The Crimson Tide will put some serious beatings on their 2011 opponents including the defending National champions!!!

Satchmo

December 10th, 2010
9:30 am

On the field of play he’s the guy, later in life he will revealed to us , his true self.

Shad

December 10th, 2010
9:31 am

When all the investigations are finished, it will be UGA that gets probation or the death penalty, not Auburn.

Shane

December 10th, 2010
9:31 am

I have been more disappointed with Tony (and Paul Finebaum) during the past few weeks than anyone reporting on this story. Heads are buried in the sand. They have gotten way to big and need to stand up for their friends in high places. Above all, these guys normally had some dignity in sports reporting. Now, I’m not so sure. Did you even see Newton’s interview last night on ESPN? It was a sham and a disgrace. I think he was caught in a lie. I was telling my kids last night that I’m just not so sure I’ll be watching the national championship game this year . . . just too dirty.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
9:32 am

New NCAA bylaw? Great, that’s all we need. What’s it going to say? That a player is ineligible if his dad asks for money but doesn’t get it, without his knowledge, from an institution other than the one he attends? Doubt many people are lining up to do that. The rules are already sufficient in my opinion.

What people are struggling with in this particular instance, me included, is the belief that Cam was in the dark. I don’t buy it for a second based on everything I’ve heard and read from the young man about how close he and his father are. If you recall, Cecil originally said that Rogers was acting on his own trying to get money for himself and Cecil “didn’t know.” When the pressure was applied Cecil admitted that he was in on it but that Cam “didn’t know.” In the ESPN interview, Cam first talked about how close he feels to his father and said that he wasn’t going to say what his father did was right or wrong then, seemingly realizing he slipped, said “or even if what he did was true.” The Newtons have clearly been coached in the art of denial.

That said, feelings aren’t enough to convict. Do I believe that he’s guilty? Yeah, I think so, but I wouldn’t want Cam or any other kid’s career compromised without proof that he himself did something wrong.

vannie

December 10th, 2010
9:33 am

If Newton played for UGA, you would all be in his corner, so grow up and get over it.

Tony is a PIG

December 10th, 2010
9:33 am

Tony, I have always respected you and your character, but not any more…

gdawginkalamazoo

December 10th, 2010
9:34 am

USC GAMEC0CK, next year and the year after is Lattimore’s year(s).

Dixie Redcoat Band

December 10th, 2010
9:34 am

We agree, it’s really hard to believe that $cam didn’t know the most rev. newton wasn’t $hopping this kid around!…pretty funny.

1eyedJack

December 10th, 2010
9:34 am

They need to start making those Heisman Trophys with a remote control self-destruct button.

Big Dawg Daddy

December 10th, 2010
9:35 am

“The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. Winners epitomize great ability combined with diligence, perseverance, and hard work.”

Excellence with integrity does not exist within the Newton Family. Shame on you for giving your vote based on performance alone.

jumbeauxtiger

December 10th, 2010
9:36 am

Tony, Patrick Peterson should be on your list. He is the best defensive player in college football as evidenced by winning the top defensive player and top cornerback awards in Orlando last night.

Newton is clearly the best player in college football and should win the Heisman.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
9:37 am

gdawginkalamazoo

December 10th, 2010
9:34 am
USC GAMEC0CK, next year and the year after is Lattimore’s year(s).

I have a feeling Trent Richardson might have something to say about that. He was knicked up this year but is pretty unbelievable when healthy. A kid that fast and quick shouldn’t get to be that strong.

Cecil the Seller

December 10th, 2010
9:38 am

Thanks Mr Tony for all of your support and “homer’ columns this Fall, we’ll be spending the booster money over the holidays!!

MURPHY

December 10th, 2010
9:38 am

My opinion: Rather Cam took money to play or not he still get’s my Heisman vote if I had one.You cant deny what he has accomplished on the field in 2010.

gdawginkalamazoo

December 10th, 2010
9:39 am

Really the shame in this whole Cam thing is that it occurred. Cecil lied about it. Cam, no doubt has been the best college football player this season (the best on the books) and we have all this crap swirling around it. Without the crap I would be congratulating the kid. I am still impressed as hell with his season (his first and probably only).

P on GT

December 10th, 2010
9:40 am

You’re right. BUT, like everyone else, I wish I knew what Auburn knew when they declared him to be ineligible before the big game. I know the NCAA reversed the decision and declared him to be eligible, but that was partly due to the revenue they stand to make in the Bogus Championship System’s game against Oregone!
You’re right … Newton is to Auburn what Herschel was to Goergia and Horning failed to be to Notre Dame. And if Horning won it… why can’t Newton?

gdawginkalamazoo

December 10th, 2010
9:40 am

BAMA dude, I can agree with that. Richardson is even more impressive than Ingram IMO. Which is scary.

Worm

December 10th, 2010
9:41 am

Give him the trophy if-HE CAN PASS A POLYGRAPH!

RattlerMan

December 10th, 2010
9:41 am

Tony, you do realize that your admonition of Mr. Brando invalidates the very existence of the polls that are used to determine who plays for the mythical National Championship, don’t you?? You told Mr. Brando that he shouldn’t withhold his Heisman vote for Cam Newton based on his FEELINGS!!

The poll system used as a component of the BCS is ENTIRELY based on feelings!! I’ve heard you say repeatedly, “I think” or “I feel” with regard to why TCU or Boise St. (when they were still undefeated) didn’t deserve to be in the BCS Championship Game over a potential one-loss BCS school.

I like your column and I like your radio show with Wes; however, this column is tinged with hypocrisy and I think that you’re better than that!! No matter what/who someone is voting for, it is largely based on how that individual FEELS about the issue/person. Tony, I’m gonna have to give you a “C’MON MAN!!” for this column.

Yes, Cam Newton was deemed eligible by the NCAA; therefore, he is eligible to win the Heisman Memorial Trophy. But we know that his father broke an NCAA rule–that is an incontrovertible fact–on Cam’s behalf. So, if some Heisman voters want to withhold their vote based on this fact, that is their prerogative. GO BUCKS and ROLL TIDE!!

Kyle

December 10th, 2010
9:41 am

You are such a SEC homer you would vote for Satan himself if he played for one of your beloved conference schools. It is disgusting. Almost as disgusting as nicknaming yourself “Mr. College Football.” Jackass would be more appropos.

karma

December 10th, 2010
9:42 am

I say let $cam and Auburn get every possible award and title they can this year. It’ll just make the vacating process all the more sweet and comical when it happens!!!

Alphare

December 10th, 2010
9:43 am

Yes, based on his game performance, he deserves the trophy.

No, based on his integrity, he doesn’t deserve the trophy.

I’d say cut the trophy in half, give him half of it.

SuperB

December 10th, 2010
9:43 am

An finally today:

Spellchecker: Blasts Tony for his UGA education and called him “Tone.”

JB: Blasts Clinton. Hey pal, Gore got 500,000 more votes than Bush, Jr. An independent study concluded if the votes had been recounted, Gore would have won Florida by about 28,000 votes. Aren’t you glad the Supreme Court (by a 5-4 vote) stopped the recount? Had it been allowed, we all would have missed out on the Iraq War, ten years in Afghanistan, and the Bush Tax Cuts for the super rich. You also probably don’t remember that Clinton left Bush with a $urplu$.

Steve: Hadn’t Georgia had beaten Auburn 3 straight times before this year.

USC: 56-17?

MURPHY

December 10th, 2010
9:43 am

Kyle,

I take you are not an fan of the SEC? Who is your team or conference?

Barnhart the Parrot

December 10th, 2010
9:44 am

“And the facts are that the NCAA has looked into this case and determined that Cameron Newton had no knowledge of what his father was doing”

Funniest “FACT” I’ve read in a while. After the season, we will learn this “FACT” is a lie. But then it will not matter. SEC/BCS corruption covered up by parrots like Barnhart.

Dan

December 10th, 2010
9:44 am

I’m still wondering how Auburn and the NCAA slimed their way around their own rules. If someone is seeking money on YOUR behalf, you are therefore ineligible. And to say that Cam had no clue his own father (the same guy he admitted that he left in control of picking his college for him) is beyond absurd.

timthebrave

December 10th, 2010
9:45 am

If he didn’t know what was going on why not ask your father if he did a pay for play. The reason he doesn’t need to ask is because he already knows.

Notthisyear

December 10th, 2010
9:45 am

This situation is beyond dirty.I always heard you could get away with just about anything in that state.I’m starting to believe it now.

SuperB

December 10th, 2010
9:47 am

VOL in Atlanta: You are absolutely correct. the turning point in the Heisman vote (for Woodson over Manning) occurred four years earlier. that’s when Woodson committed to Michigan and Peyton to Tennessee. had they switched schools, manning would ahv eown in a landslide!

Most post-season awards and the All-America teams are skewed toward the Big 10 and Big 12. The SEC and Pac-10 gets screwed every year– and will this year too.

WesDawg

December 10th, 2010
9:48 am

Tony,

Respectfully…..Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining. Highly probable that the Heisman will be tarnished once again with your vote. Cam Newton IS what is wrong with college football. He got a second chance then his father got caught cashing in and will now run to the pros to avoid being a part of the fallout. The only thing left now is the to prove the direct link that Cam had knowledge of his father’s actions which will come in due time…….but for now it sures smells like pee to most folks.

WDE

December 10th, 2010
9:48 am

Yeah, the Cecil Newton thing is sketchy. As an Auburn fan I won’t pretend that it isn’t possible that more facts will come out.

But before everyone decides all of the sudden that Auburn and its fans are a dirty program- consider what you would do in the same situation. No one, and I mean no one, has come forth with any evidence that he was shopped to Auburn, Oklahoma, or Tennessee during his recruitment.

It’s likely that Cecil knew an up-and-coming MSU program would place a higher value on his son than schools with more resources and stronger rosters. He and a MSU booster tried to broker a deal, and by the very same reports everyone wants to lynch Cammy Cam with, the coaches shut down the proposition and reported it to the NCAA eventually. It only makes sense that Cecil would make Cam commit somewhere else, because you can’t exactly commit to a school you asked money from after they’ve declined.

Auburn fans are in a very confusing spot- we don’t know any more than any of you do. And none of us know as much as the NCAA and the involved parties. All we as Auburn fans can do is marvel at his play on the field, the way he has taken our team to the top, and hope for the best. You’ll see us yelling about “innocent until proven guilty”- because what other choice do we have? And that phrase used to and should mean something.

Present facts have been established and decided on. Does that mean they are 100% the way it happened? No. NCAA’s perspective on amateurism isn’t far removed from slavery. But quit ragging on Auburn fans for standing by him until we have absolute reason to otherwise.

As competing sports fans, we always look for ways (especially on these message boards) to one-up one another, talk some smack, and paint a terrible picture of eachother’s programs.

Just realize that we are fans just the same as you, and that if it was your Aaron Murray, Marcus Lattimore, Tyler Bray, Ahmad Black, Patrick Peterson etc. etc. that were caught up in this God-awful cloudy mess, you would be defending him the exact same way.

No one that’s a fan of the sport wins if this proves to be true. It doesn’t undo the domination on the field we saw, and what value can you really place on being able to talk smack to a fanbase when something they had no control over happens such as this?

I hope that the NCAA ruling is final, and I hope that its true. Unlikely that he didn’t know, yes, but I’d be a lot more upset over this if allegations he actually received money were proven true.

WDE

trooper

December 10th, 2010
9:48 am

@ Barnhardt the Parrot,

Isn’t it laughable how all these same media types that were on their soapboxes a month ago saying that “everything being reported is a lie, not a single shred of evidence, Miss. St. is just bitter they didn’t get him, it’s all rumors, etc.” are now forced to admit that EVERYTHING reported regarding Miss. St. was factual, but the LONE aspect of the story that they supposedly can’t confirm, are Cam’s conversations with them himself.

Odd that the only thing that would keep Cam from playing, apparently, is the one piece of evidence that they claim they couldn’t find.

Hmmmm…….

TCUgotrobbedagain

December 10th, 2010
9:48 am

Auburn cheated and dont deserve to be in the title game. The Horned Frogs were snowjobbed last year when the big12 added a second on the clock for Texas to go over TCU, the whole system Tony is so full of manure it stinks to high heaven. A defense like TCU puts on the field is going to show the world what they can do against an average Wisconsin team but who gets credit for beating a big10 team.. nobody. The whole idea is to find out who the best team is we need a playoff or get rid of automatic bids to teams like that are not ranked or lost to fcs schools. This hurts the fans so bad and get rid of the bowl tie-ins those teams like BoiseST. Utah, Nevada, Hawaii are good enough to beat SEC schools in the Gator bowl or Capitol 1 bowl, the cotton bowl could have got Boise ST. vs Alabama or LSU are you kidding me? That would be the most talked about game I’m telling Boise ST. is not going away no matter what you BCS jerks do. They are going to reload and try to break the combination to the safe and they are going to break it. TCU has been robbed twice eventhough they lost to Boise St. but so has Oklahoma, Oregon (2), VA TECH, Oregon St., Hawaii, and Fresno St. All teams who beat big10 pansies on a yearly basis. You put Ohio St. on the field with TCU or Boise St. and they will get a drubbing to be remember for a lifetime. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it. See ya Tony!!!!!

3rdN8

December 10th, 2010
9:48 am

I for one am so sick of the Newton story….Cam, Cecil, Fig, you name it…that I can’t stand much more.

Football is the ultimate “team” sport, and this season has become a story of one player.

I’m a Bama fan, but really feel sorry for all of the AU players who’ve worked their tails off all year, only to be completely overshadowed by this sleazy story.

Gen Neyland

December 10th, 2010
9:48 am

IMO, the Heisman Trophy and the Nobel Peace Prize has begun to draw an uncanny parallel.

Said What?

December 10th, 2010
9:48 am

I heard an interview with him today on the radio and Cam claimed, “his father had done nothing wrong.”. Thats weird after he father admited the solicitation of the MSU coachs for a pay day.

I think Cam suffers from “me phobia”. Nothing is wrong if it is done for him.

I think the guy is a bald faced liar.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
9:50 am

So, if some Heisman voters want to withhold their vote based on this fact, that is their prerogative. GO BUCKS and ROLL TIDE!!…RattlerMan

True. It’s also Tony’s prerogative to voice his opinion on the matter. If he wishes to give Brando advice based on his own convictions, so be it.

3rdN8

December 10th, 2010
9:51 am

Gen Neyland

Never thought of it that way, but you do have a great point.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
9:53 am

Just realize that we are fans just the same as you, and that if it was your Aaron Murray, Marcus Lattimore, Tyler Bray, Ahmad Black, Patrick Peterson etc. etc. that were caught up in this God-awful cloudy mess, you would be defending him the exact same way.

No doubt about it, but part of the issue is that the writing was on the wall with this kid. Trouble and controversy have followed this kid since he left high school.

FalconUGAFan

December 10th, 2010
9:54 am

WDE—Some of us understand and would feel the EXACT same way..hope it turns out well for all concerned…

JoeFan

December 10th, 2010
9:54 am

The rules as written were broken by his father. There is no grey area. You wasted your vote.

Red Harrison

December 10th, 2010
9:54 am

Knock knock – Who’s there?
Cam – cam who?
Ca-man Islands is a good place to stash $200,000

your proof

December 10th, 2010
9:54 am

Cam is predicted to be taken no higher than the 6th QB in this year’s draft. If he stays he has potential of being the top QB selected next year. Case and point, if he bolts for the pros at the end of the year then it’s crystal clear he is guilty and is opting to just get the hell out of Dodge before his sh*t hits the fan.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
9:54 am

Gen Neyland

December 10th, 2010
9:48 am
IMO, the Heisman Trophy and the Nobel Peace Prize has begun to draw an uncanny parallel.

Why? Newton is much more deserving of the Heisman than the 2009 Nobel Prize winner was deserving of his award. 8)

GT

December 10th, 2010
9:54 am

Football is like our government. The less intervention into the process the better the product. We have gone years and years having a political tainted national champion, now they have gotten into the Heisman. You think I am going to forget Cam Newton or remember a runner up because a bunch of fat gutted cigar smoking back room deal makers have found a loop hole to exercise their injustice. Maybe they will be selling the Heisman name to Donald Trump next year like Miss America, might as well, if Newton doesn’t win the trophy they have sold out anyway. Kind of the same thing they accuse Newton of isn’t it? Only in Newton’s case he didn’t change the reality of the outcome, he ,at worst, just got paid for being the very best player in college football, maybe ever, and if that is the case he didn’t get paid enough.

Red Harrison

December 10th, 2010
9:56 am

Knock Knock – Who’s there?
Auburn – Auburn who?
Awww, burn those deposit slips, Cecil

GTBob

December 10th, 2010
9:56 am

I think you pretty much have to vote for Cam now. His situation is extremely shady and there is a decent chance he will give it back at some point but the NCAA found him eligible and its not the writers job to be the ethical police. Besides, this is the Heisman trophy, which is a essentially a glorified popularity contest at this point. It’s not like it’s a Nobel prize. Let the young man have it.

Simple Jack

December 10th, 2010
9:56 am

I am extremely saddened that we are going to reward Mr. Newton, with all of his character flaws. If the award is to mean anything, then hold it until he is completely exonerated of all charges. ….did not know what his father was doing…. give me a break. Is everyone really so stupid as to not see/know what is going on here? It’s just disgusting. I don’t even care about this season. It is erased from my mind. Maybe Cam can get some of those swank endorsements like Ray Lewis has…and we see what his black cloud did to him/his commercial career. Cam is a scam and it is going to come out eventually. You blew this one, Tony.

Big D

December 10th, 2010
9:56 am

If you watched his interview and believe he was not aware of the deal I have some swamp land to sell you. TB you have to live with your vote but of course the media is not accountable anyway.

WDE

December 10th, 2010
9:57 am

Every school in the SEC has at least 1 kid on their roster that had a bad experience at another school. It’s always a risk to give a second chance to these kids. But by all indications, he has done nothing but good on Auburn’s campus- and that’s all I can ask for. Everything that happened at Florida just seems so much worse because its fresh news to all of us- no one cared when he was 3rd on the depth chart, or when it all happened 2-3 years ago.

Just asking you to put it in perspective.

zeke

December 10th, 2010
9:57 am

Alshon Jeffrey!!!!!

MURPHY

December 10th, 2010
9:57 am

3rdN8,

I couldnt agree more! Please no more Cam/AU cheating talk

dap01

December 10th, 2010
9:57 am

Didn’t it seem strange a year ago with Cam said, “I let my dad chose my college”. That was strange but now we know why.

Tony: Character and integrety mean nothing to you and your vote?

Pat Dye

December 10th, 2010
9:58 am

The Auburn Hillbillies-

Come and listen to a story about a kid named Cam,
A liar and a thief, but Auburn didn’t give a damn
Then one day he got paid to play the game
And out of nowhere the investigators came
NCAA that is, judge and jury, Committee on Infractions

Well the first thing you know Auburn decides to go “all in”
Cheating didn’t matter just as long as we can win
Glendale, Arizona is the place we want to be
So we threw out the rulebook and called ourselves “family”
The Auburn family that is, yes we cam, “lean on me”

Well now it’s time to say goodbye to Cam and all our wins
He’ll play in the NFL with that same sh*t eatin’ grin
How in the world could we have been such fools,
Now we have to pick up the pieces of what’s left of our school

Sanctions that is, reduced scholarships, bowl bans

We’ll be back now y’hear?

People luv to hate

December 10th, 2010
9:59 am

Some of you people don’t get it. You don’t punish someone because you believe he’s guility.In the USA you are suppose to be innocent until proven guility. So far you people wish to punish (like they did in the western day-Hang) without proof. If it was you are your kid you would be fighting like hell for your rights. Thats not right where its Cam are You !

BUBBA GUMP

December 10th, 2010
9:59 am

We don’t need ANOTHER Reggie Bush!!!!!!!!

RxDawg

December 10th, 2010
10:00 am

Good post WDE. But the inconsistencey of the NCAA in how they enforce they’re rules to the extreme and then seemed to coincide with Auburn and SEC to sweep this Cam/Cecil Newton thing under the rug so everyone can pocket some BCS money is why everyone else is so emotional about the whole ordeal. It’s like watching Congress openly steal from the public.

AC

December 10th, 2010
10:00 am

All the derogatory comments by so many santimonius arm chair players or wannabes will not prevent Cameron Newton from winning the Heisman Trophy award.

How2fish

December 10th, 2010
10:01 am

How can anyone blame Cam when the SEC and NCAA have both sold their souls on this issue? The SEC rules state that by just asking for the money his father rendered him ineligible not only at MSU but at any school in the SEC..if the SEC and NCAA have broken their own rules how can anyone be mad at Cam or for that matter at Daddy Newton…Bylaw 14.01.3.2 of the Southeastern Conference states as follows: If at any time before or after matriculation in a member institution, a student-athlete or any member of his/her family receives or agrees to receive, directly or indirectly, any aid or assistance beyond or in addition to that permitted by the Bylaws of this Conference … such student-athlete shall be ineligible for competition in any intercollegiate sport within the Conference for the remainder of his/her college career.

Cecil Newton-a member of Cam’s family-has admitted to soliciting money and agreeing to accept aid or assistance in addition to permissible grant in aid. Therefore, Cam Newton is ineligible to play anywhere in the Conference. Only a Pharisee, or a tax lawyer, could construe this bylaw to be inapplicable to the Newton situation.

People luv to hate

December 10th, 2010
10:01 am

How the hell do you know its going to be a another BUSH! You are not GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Soulja Boy

December 10th, 2010
10:02 am

Most of these negative comments are from Georgia fans, who have redirected their anger and disappointment over two lousy years in a row, at Cam Newton, and the Big Bad Wolf, Fairley, for the beat down they took at Auburn. The record of Georgia players for cheating and bad behavior speaks for itself with over 20 arrests for sexual battery, hit and run, etc. in the last two years. Newton was cleared by the NCAA, and there is no evidence of any payment from Auburn. Last year’s Heisman winner’s father watched the ceremony from prison, without comment from the whining puppies. These people should just shut up and focus on their own problems. If Auburn paid for Newton, the truth will out. Until then, Newton is “good to go.”

Notthisyear

December 10th, 2010
10:02 am

One LAST thing on this and I’m DONE! As in life,The more you bring to the table,The more you can get away with.

Michael

December 10th, 2010
10:03 am

Did you get a check from the Newton family too? After watching the ESPN interview, it is clear that Cam is involved. When someone lies, their body language tells you. Take notice of how he either does nort answer a question or looks away or down. It is true that Newton is the best paid player in college football!

Said What?

December 10th, 2010
10:04 am

People luv to hate

December 10th, 2010
9:59 am
Some of you people don’t get it

Well his father asked MSU for money in order for Cam to enroll there. According to the NCAA rule, that is a violation and Cam is enligible. Doesn’t matter if Cam knew or did not know. End of rule. A new rule was invented for Cam because of SEC/BCS tie in. $$$$$$ for TV!!!!

jm

December 10th, 2010
10:04 am

Obstained?…I believe the word is abstained

Glory Glory

December 10th, 2010
10:04 am

Hold on, Nesbitt didn’t win it?

hahahahha!!!!

December 10th, 2010
10:05 am

Luke Scott is my new favorite baseball player!!!

Go Dawgs!

December 10th, 2010
10:05 am

I hope for the sake of all involved that nothing more comes out regarding Cam (though I suspect there is a LOT of ugliness that will come out once the FBI has completed it’s investigation).

I think the integrity clause has to come into play here at some point. Even if you ignore the allegations of cheating at UF, he WAS involved in the laptop theft.

If the Heisman Trust has to remove another winner it will forever taint image and meaning of the award. Voters have to take THAT into consideration as well. The integrity clause was put there for a reason.

Is Cam deserving of the award based on his on the field accomplishments? Absolutely – he may be the most clear cut on the field winner we’ve had in a long time and put up videogame type numbers.

HOWEVER when you insert the integrity clause then it’s not so clear.

On the one hand I get where Tony is coming from in the “what if nothing else comes of it” then Cam would have been done a diservice. BUT, if what most people outside of Auburn, AL suspect is coming then the voters and Heisman Trust are going to have a LOT of egg on their faces.
One person isn’t above the award itself.

If he winds up winning, I think the voters will have missed an opportunity to send a strong clear message that in order to take that trophy home you better be just as outstanding OFF the field as you are on it.

Gary

December 10th, 2010
10:05 am

You should not have voted for him because he stole a lpatop obstructed justice and cheated in school. He is a dirtbag just like his father. I guess for you it is all about football and money and character means little.

PapaDawg

December 10th, 2010
10:05 am

Good ball player but I can’t believe he didn’t benefit at all from whatever money his daddy took and he lost me when he said what’s good for Cam Newton, man I hate that

WDE

December 10th, 2010
10:06 am

Let me remind you, that this was in the NCAA’s hands WELL before Auburn played its first game this year, and Cam Newton was anything more than a highly-regarded recruit.

He would have been an even easier fish to fry than the AJ Green and UNC cases… he wasn’t a star at all at this point. I think this is as good a reason as any to believe that the evidence was just not there on the issue.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
10:06 am

If at any time before or after matriculation in a member institution, a student-athlete or any member of his/her family receives or agrees to receive

We have covered this ad nauseum, but by legal definition you can’t receive without another party agreeing to provide. Sports Attorney Kristi Dosh covered this pretty well over at Forbes.

lobby

December 10th, 2010
10:06 am

@ your proof –

You hit the nail on the head. Exactly right.

Said What?

December 10th, 2010
10:07 am

Soulja Boy

December 10th, 2010
10:02 am
Newton was cleared by the NCAA. And there is no evidence of any payment from Auburn.

Both irrelevant statements. His fathers actions made him ineligible to particiate according the NCAA rules. Case closed. Until SEC/BCS steps in to preserve $$$$$$.

This is not hard to see. More evidence will emerge AFTER the TV advertisers have paid CBS and the BCS. Don’t be naive.

Chess

December 10th, 2010
10:08 am

Auburn sold out for a National Title. Stripped away in a few years. Probation.

Funny Man

December 10th, 2010
10:08 am

“He would have been an even easier fish to fry than the AJ Green and UNC cases… he wasn’t a star at all at this point. I think this is as good a reason as any to believe that the evidence was just not there on the issue.”

——————————————————————————————

Keep telling yourself that. He was the nation’s number 2 ranked dual-threat QB coming out of high school, and after winning the junior college national championship he was the top prized JUCO recruit in the country. So get off the crack rock.

Nole 5050

December 10th, 2010
10:08 am

Tony you are wrong- the NCAA did not say that Newton had no knowledge of what his father did.

The reason for Newton’s reinstatement is simple. ”Based on the information available to the reinstatement staff at this time, we do not have sufficient evidence that Cam Newton or anyone from Auburn was aware of this activity,” said Kevin Lennon, NCAA vice president for academic and membership affairs.

That is a far cry from had no knowledge. Tony you need to speak the truth and not shape it.

BUBBA GUMP

December 10th, 2010
10:10 am

Ask Florida what a CLEAN guy Newton was……………lol

wtf?!?!?!?!?

December 10th, 2010
10:10 am

Did a Barner fan really just say this?

“he wasn’t a star at all at this point.”

WDE

December 10th, 2010
10:12 am

I did. He was a 5-star recruit from JuCo, but he was not the Heisman-favorite by any stretch of the imagination.

UGA Insider

December 10th, 2010
10:12 am

Reverend Newton will NOT be at the ceremony Saturday per NCAA instructions. That’s all that really needs to be said about this pitiful situation. Tony, one day in the near future you are going to regret this vote I guarantee it.

Glory Glory

December 10th, 2010
10:12 am

But wait, why didn’t you vote for Nesbitt?

Clark Roberts

December 10th, 2010
10:12 am

Did someone compare Newton to a murderer who got off on a technicality? Are you serious? People act like what his dad did helped him win on the field. Did I miss something about steroids or HGH? And a cheater? Because of what he did in school? I knew several pre-med students who cheated in undergrad, they were just smart enough not to get caught. They are out there practicing medicine right now, but we’re treating Cam like public enemy #1. And many of us may never have paid for a stolen laptop, but I bet the majority have stolen time from their employer. How many are on Facebook at work, or playing solitaire, or filled out their NCAA tournament bracket while getting paid to do actual work. So please save me all of the faux outrage. There is something about sports, religion and politics that make people lose all objectivity.

One and done in football?

December 10th, 2010
10:13 am

Looks like Auburn’s two best players are going to the first to start this basketball trend with football. Congrats barners!!! Way to set college football back 20 years!!!

Gary

December 10th, 2010
10:13 am

WDE,
I don’t care about the money. It is about the Laptop and the Cheating. Florida should have kicked hime out of school and Auburn should not touch him. The only decision that took less character was LSU picking Georgia’s former QB. These kids do not deserve a second change at such an amazing opportunity. The SEC and the NCAA is doing nothing to clean up the sport and its image by turning a blind eye on the baggage dumping transfers. It should be stopped.

Football fan

December 10th, 2010
10:13 am

I am confused why more people don’t consider Andy Dalton of TCU a Heisman candidate. He is the winningest active QB in Division I. He has 26 TD passes to 6 interceptions this season. He has completed 66% of his passes for over 2638 yards. All this time he is leading his team to a perfect record and a Rose Bowl bid. I am not a TCU graduate, but I know a good quarterback when I see one.

WDE

December 10th, 2010
10:13 am

My point is that the NCAA must have had a crystal ball if their conspiracy to protect his national title and Heisman trophy run started back in July.

cry me a river

December 10th, 2010
10:14 am

Clark Roberts,

Yeah, tell that to Reggie Bush you genius

Character does matter

December 10th, 2010
10:15 am

I am naive. I really think that a kid has to ALSO be clean and a role model to win the Heisman. The kids that he will influence, will continue with this sleazy type of baggage because this guy and his baggage
at FL and conduct dealing with MSU and no telling what his dealings with the Victory Land Track guy ) are too many for me to sweep under the rug.

He will be found out by the FBI and it will pull AU and MSU under. This is entire incident is spelled PETE ROSE.

always a silver lining

December 10th, 2010
10:16 am

The interview with Fowler was sickening to me. I threw up in my mouth several times. And of course he doesn’t want to talk about any reports about any of this. I do not believe him- it’s that simple for me. And of course Fowler played softball with him
One additional thing we do now know- he did talk with MSU about not going- He called Dan Mullen. This after all you Aubies denied that there were any conversations between him and MSU- just like all of you denied that his father did anything wrong. The truth comes out slowly- one drip at a time. Why would Dan Mullen lie about his comment- “the money was too much”??? Dan Mullen and Newton both know the truth- and neither is talking.

WDE

December 10th, 2010
10:16 am

Gary-

I don’t know how I personally feel about second chances, either. Fact is, they are the norm in the SEC. My only point is that for other SEC fans to all the sudden throw rocks at Auburn for what happened at Florida just means they are overlooking the second chances their teams ALL hand out.

Mettenberger example you pointed out is a good example.

Joe Bob Thibodaux

December 10th, 2010
10:16 am

Tony

Congratulations on voting your convictions.

Bravo!

I drove from Baton Rouge to watch the Auburn game this year.

Cam earned my complete respect. You voted right.

I have seen Tim Brown, Emmett Smith, Bo Jackson, Mark Ingram, TeBow
and a number of other fine players over the years. Cam may not be the
best ever, but he is the best this year.

My hat it tipped to you, Tony.

LSU Forever,

Joe Bob Thibodaux

Mothers Against Stolen Laptops

December 10th, 2010
10:16 am

Who gets Cecil’s seat since he’s not man enough to attend, since he knows what he and Can did?

People luv to hate

December 10th, 2010
10:17 am

your hate is just as bad as what you blame Cam for…see you all in h—-

Gen Neyland

December 10th, 2010
10:17 am

Bama dude : It goes back further than 2009. Does the name Yasser Arafat (1994) ring any bells..? Cam Newton has shown himself to be a he11 of a football player and I for one wish there was nothing swirling around his nomination. If the vote is based purely on the content and context of what transpires during the season on the field of play, Newton is in the running for sure. For TB to vote Newton gets me back to the regional thing. I’d like to see how the West Coast hacks cast their ballots.

Gary

December 10th, 2010
10:17 am

Clark Roberts,
You witnessed med students cheat and did not report it. Pretty sure that puts you in violation of your schools honor code which makes you as bad as the cheaters with most honor codes. Thanks for being a coward and letting someone practice medicine who is clearly unethical and possibly a danger to his patients. People who take shortcuts to avoid work like that will continue to make decisions like that until they are punished. Nice job defending cam by presenting exactly why he should not be on the field.

Richie

December 10th, 2010
10:17 am

He knew what was going on with his dad.This is the biggest joke .You know it.Just like every one knew about Reggie Bush.So get your head out of the sand.You are a fake sports guy!!!!!!!!

Funny Man

December 10th, 2010
10:18 am

Well your point was a flatout lie. That’s my point.

Mothers Against Stolen Laptops

December 10th, 2010
10:19 am

Of course Joe Bob Thibodaux agrees.
His team just signed a booty grabbing predator.

AU Fan

December 10th, 2010
10:19 am

Question for Tony?

Do you still feel there is a special place in hell for Cecil Newton? I like your work but that may have been the worst comment I have heard with all this Cam Newton talk. You beat out Thayer Evans for dumb comments which is pretty remarkable. As an AU fan, if we did anything wrong we shoud be punished, which there is no indication we did. Also, his father screwed up and made a dumb decision for talking to Kenny Rogers. I hope your life is perfect and you never sinned or made stupid decisions.

timthebrave

December 10th, 2010
10:19 am

WDE, Auburn might have clean hands on the issue but you can’t make me believe that Cam didn’t know his father was trying pay for play. Cam said “he never asked if his father did it”. The only reason a normal person wouldn’t ask if he already knew. At the point that all this came out Auburn was already all in on the situation so what could they do. I have no proof on cam but we already know he was a liar, cheater and thief before he got to Auburn.

Chillahill43

December 10th, 2010
10:20 am

Hey sec fan
those same writers that didnt vote for cam because of integrity issues didnt have any problems putting MR James on their ballot though. The same Mr James that was charged with 5 counts of Abuse to his girlfriend and wrapping his hands around her neck and throwing her to the floor. Of course he pled out to harrassment only. But you want preach integrity then allow a man that abuses women as your representative. I call BS. Integrity is only part of the heisman commitee mission statement. No where on ballot is integrity mentioned. Give me s break. The hipocrisy is overwhelming.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
10:20 am

Gen Neyland, all of the sites dedicated to polling the voters, etc. say Newton wins in a landslide.

History is repeating for AU

December 10th, 2010
10:20 am

AU won the NC in 1957. Soon thereafter they were STRIPPED of that honor for the same thing.

AU had issues under Pat Dye with that Eric Ramsey kid with attorneys involved, etc and Pat Dye took the fall for AU. Triple secret probation followed.

Now, history repeats for AU. This conduct is in their DNA. Alabama ( I am a UGA man ) has kept them in the shadows for the entire period of the SEC and they will do anything to win quickly and they have.

Soar High AU War Damned Eagle ………………..be proud.

the facts

December 10th, 2010
10:21 am

Yes, the NCAA was made aware back in June about Cam, but did not start to investigate themselves until October. This fact has never been fully explained.

How2fish

December 10th, 2010
10:21 am

Bama Dude I have to disagree with your statement: If at any time before or after matriculation in a member institution, a student-athlete or any member of his/her family receives or agrees to receive

We have covered this ad nauseum, but by legal definition you can’t receive without another party agreeing to provide…really try offering a undercover vice cop 50 bucks for sex..they don’t have to do the deed to bust you…just having a certain about of drugs will get you busted for intent to distribute without ever making a sale..

Old Boy

December 10th, 2010
10:21 am

I agree that you can’t vote against Newton, but I don’t think I could vote for him either. I feel like I would have to abstain from voting.

Joe Bob Thibodaux

December 10th, 2010
10:22 am

Mothers Against Stolen Laptops

December 10th, 2010
10:19 am
Of course Joe Bob Thibodaux agrees.
His team just signed a booty grabbing predator.

Haa Haa Haa

Sour grapes must be dripping out of your booty.

Haa! Haa! Haa!

Gary

December 10th, 2010
10:23 am

I don’t think they should get back into the SEC if they were dismissed from a team unless it was because of academic. If you need time to get your grades up at a JC, do it and get back on the field. All other reasons for getting kicked off a team should keep you in the JC ranks for good. The SEC should be enforcing this. Let some other conference pick through our garbage. Can’t believe LSU would stoop so low. At least Auburn can claim Cam left, but that is because Florida did not do their job. He should have been dismissed from the team, kicked out of school and blacklisted from the SEC. Clean up the game.

Tony Barnyard

December 10th, 2010
10:23 am

Cecil Newton for Father of the Year!
What a joke, Tony.

wtf?!?!?!?!?

December 10th, 2010
10:23 am

Yeah, AJ Green wasn’t the Heisman favorite either. He wasn’t even on most watch list.

always a silver lining

December 10th, 2010
10:24 am

SEC commissioner Mike Slive and incoming NCAA President Mark Emmert have defended the ruling based on the evidence and based on the the NCAA rules, which don’t have a by-law to address this specific case. We can safely say that one will be written in the future.

And what of the existing SEC rules covering this incident??? What will the SEC do with those- revoke them?? Slive has embarrassed the entire SEC and should be fired in my opinion. He failed to enforce the existing rules.

Gen Neyland

December 10th, 2010
10:25 am

Bama dude : May be so. Deserved and won on the field of play. In that regard, give Reggie his dang statue back. He needs it for a door stopper…

Clark Roberts

December 10th, 2010
10:25 am

LOL @ Gary. Have you reported every unethical thing you’ve seen? If all doctors had to be completely ethical we wouldn’t have many doctors or drug reps for that matter. Give me a break. Like you’ve never driven over the speed limit. One of my professors, the chair of anatomy, inflated a penis pump that they found in a cadaver while dissecting it. Was I supposed to report him as well?

hahahahha!!!!

December 10th, 2010
10:26 am

Guys, who are you kidding? This is yet another P.C. Lifetime story in the making. You know all the voters are going to vote for him rather if they think he’s guilty or not.

Our house

December 10th, 2010
10:27 am

In April our home AND our church were seriously in need of some paint and some rapairs, remodeling,etc. We cannot afford them so we just live with it. The LORD will provide.

A couple of months later, I am coming home from JUCO and i am a AA QB that can do it all and my cell is ringing off the hook with calls from different schools and our house is squeaky fresh with paint, the yard looks like Calloway Gardens and my Mom is driving a brand new ( 2003 ) Escalade and my dad is wearing threads that only a UK basketball coach could afford and our chruch looks now like the Mormon Tabernacle. Wow!

PTL …………………. he must have provided for our entire family. PTL

Oh, he has overlooked the fact that my pappy WINS EVERYTIME that he places bets at Victory Land Dog track. EVERYTIME he wins. I guess, the Lord helps those who help themselves.
War Eagle

WDE

December 10th, 2010
10:27 am

wtf?!—

You are just trying to miss my point. AJ Green was and probably still is the hottest WR prospect in the nation… if they were willing to knock him down then they certainly would have been willing to take out Cam Newton…

No one outside of UF and Aub on these boards probably even knew who Cam Newton was before he started lighting up the field in September. To suggest that the NCAA saw his success coming and sat on it since July when they are suspending superstars like Marcell Dareus and AJ Green are just crazy.

book it

December 10th, 2010
10:28 am

As soon as Cam declares for the NFL on Jan. 11th I’m predicting that daddy $cam will announce he’s writing a tell-all book explaining how he duped the retarded SEC and NCAA officials. With some royalties being given to Bobby Lowder.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
10:28 am

really try offering a undercover vice cop 50 bucks for sex..they don’t have to do the deed to bust you

See, you’ve got that backwards. At that point you are paying for goods, not receiving payment for goods/services. Also, in your case, the goods themselves are illegal which muddies the waters. Let’s make you the dealer instead of the customer and replace the drugs with landscaping services. You can walk door-to-door giving ballpark quotes, but until someone actually engages you in negotiations you haven’t agreed to do a thing. Maybe the customer turns out to be someone you don’t want to deal with or the yard has limitations that keep you from honoring your ballpark quote. You can back out. See? No agreement.

Mothers Against Stolen Laptops

December 10th, 2010
10:29 am

Joe Bob Thibodaux

There’s no sour grapes
We kicked him off the team
We don’t like to play grab arse like you swamp folk

hornblowermg

December 10th, 2010
10:29 am

hey, ARdawg. my ridgeback hound is named “Gomer” and it is an insult to her to call tb by her name. i understand that the new mascot at aubum (to be added to the dozen or so mascots that they already have) is a satchel man.

Rockin Tide

December 10th, 2010
10:29 am

Tony, it clearly states there was a rules violation below. Furthermore, I do believe Cam knew and it all comes down to economic by the SEC. It has disrespected itself and I am ashamed to even be associated with this institution. “If at any time before or after matriculation in a member institution a student-athlete or any member of his/her family receives or agrees to receive, directly or indirectly, any aid or assistance beyond or in addition to that permitted by the Bylaws of this Conference (except such aid or assistance as such student-athlete may receive from those persons on whom the student is naturally or legally dependent for support), such student- athlete shall be ineligible for competition in any intercollegiate sport within the Conference for the remainder of his/her college career.” Interpretation is in the eye of the beholder and its wrong.

wtf?!?!?!?!?

December 10th, 2010
10:30 am

No, you are missing the point. Lying about how “under the radar” Cam was is laughable. He was probably the most hyped JUCO player in history. So stop denying the obvious. And as someone previously said, the NCAA didn’t decide to lift a finger regarding Cam until October.

Happy Dicks

December 10th, 2010
10:30 am

Lewis Grizzard rolled over three times when he read the trash which you have just written, Tony! Character is not stealing a computer, not deceiving the police, not cheating on your tests, and not lying to investigators. The story changed, he went from his father deciding where he went, to I did nothing wrong. The Grady School of Journalism taught you better than that. Face it Tony, you just aren’t that good.

Strange goings-on

December 10th, 2010
10:30 am

I agree completely with heyberto. Integrity and character are supposed to be taken into consideration with voting for a Heisman winner, not just athletic ability. I’m disappointed in you, Tony, and have been on several occasions lately. Where’s your character???

Joe Bob Thibodaux

December 10th, 2010
10:31 am

Mothers Against Stolen Laptops

December 10th, 2010
10:29 am
Joe Bob Thibodaux

There’s no sour grapes
We kicked him off the team
We don’t like to play grab arse like you swamp folk

Haa ! Haa! Haa!

I suppose you like yours more like in the movie Deliverance.

Haa Haa Haaa

Antoine Dotson

December 10th, 2010
10:31 am

Hide Yo Kids
Hide Yo Wife
Cause Zack be comin’ to the toothless swamp

Skitty Fritty

December 10th, 2010
10:32 am

What happened to something being legal but not ethical? I saw part of Cam’s interview last night and he sure seems pretty close to his Dad but yet he knew nothing about the pay for play issue.

One simple question I would like to hear Cam answer directly. Why did he pick Auburn over MSU or why did his Dad pick Auburn over MSU? I think this would clear thing up pretty quickly. Cam even stated last night he called Dan Mullin directly and told him the decision but I thought it was his Father’s decision.

I know AU fans want to believe Cam’s story but I find it hard to believe.

Antoine Dotson

December 10th, 2010
10:33 am

Joe Bob Douchido

Your comedic genius is unprecedented
You should really go on tour

bawahahahaha!!!!

December 10th, 2010
10:33 am

#2 dual threat QB in the nation coming out of high school, getting a full ride to play at the most sought after program in the country who is coming off a national title and “no one knows who he is?!?!?!”

You must be an Auburn student that is interning at some low-rate homer Tiger site. I hope they are paying you good for this embarrassment.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
10:34 am

One simple question I would like to hear Cam answer directly. Why did he pick Auburn over MSU or why did his Dad pick Auburn over MSU? I think this would clear thing up pretty quickly.

You really think the NCAA investigators didn’t ask him that? Nobody owes the general public a thing when it comes to allegations like this.

Miles

December 10th, 2010
10:34 am

Mr. Barnhart, what is the criteria for the Heisman Trophy? Where can I find the exact wording that specifies what things are to be taken into consideration when voting for the Heisman Trophy? I’ve heard the terms “outstanding player,” “NCAA eligible,” etc. From where do these notions eminate? Are they legitimate?

Again, please direct me to the correct definition/specifications for the Heisman Trophy.

Thank you.

Jeff

December 10th, 2010
10:35 am

He gave his father full control over deciding where he is going to go to college (how studious of him) and yet there are people on here still trying to say that Cam was left in the dark???

Richard Pryor said it best

December 10th, 2010
10:36 am

Stand up comic LEGEND Richard Pryor used to do a skit where a guy was walking down the street with a TV and a microwave oven on his person. The cops stop him. The alarm at the community appliance store is sounding off. There is a store front broken window. The cops asks where he got the appliances at 2 AM.

Pryor stammering and shaking says “he found them” ……………….. yeah, AU and SCAM and MSU are all clean in this saga. Yeah right.

Time will tell and I suspect AU will pay a heavy price if only in SHAME and HUMILIATION for their otherwise fine school and fine program.

We all know that the US gov’s encouraging and guaranteeing home mortgages for deadbeats 100% got us in this economic mess. AU just did a subprime deal with Scam and his pa only to win at any cost. Obama would be very proud of Auburn ……………..very proud.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
10:36 am

Jeff, I don’t think he was in the dark either, but you have to prove him a liar. Suspecting it simply isn’t enough to punish him and I for one am glad it’s not.

Joe Bob Thibodaux

December 10th, 2010
10:37 am

Antoine Dotson

December 10th, 2010
10:33 am
Joe Bob Douchido

Your comedic genius is unprecedented
You should really go on tour

Haa! Haa! Haa!

You pecker woods started this stuff. If you can’t take it
then don’t try to dish it out.

Haaa! Haaa! Haaaa!

You are funny.

Haaaaa! Haa!
Ha!

jack bull

December 10th, 2010
10:37 am

because he’s the best paid college player in the country? is that why he got your vote?………nobody has ever doubted that. he is the best..

it’s kinda like a getting a big bonus check, ‘come here, you’ll get a FREE education from a major university plus we’ll throw in an extra 200k’….

Daniel

December 10th, 2010
10:38 am

@Mothers against Stolen Laptops

Yeah, with 13 arrests this year, and winning the Fulmer Cup Award again, and going an impressive 6-6..yeah you guys dont have time for grab arsing!!! WHat a joke…you GA fans kill me. So damn dilusional.

To all the holier than thou bloggers on here. Since when did you have to be flawless to live life? Let alone play sports? Get real people!

axel

December 10th, 2010
10:38 am

Skitty Fritty,

No, Auburn fans care nothing about Cam’s story being true or not. They only hope Auburn and Lowder covered all their bases and hid their bread trail.

Strange goings-on

December 10th, 2010
10:38 am

Would someone please tell me if Cam’s dad was on the sidelines at the AU / SC game Saturday night? Cam kept hugging some man with glasses who resembles hid dad when he came off the field during the game. I thought his dad wasn’t supposed to have that much contact with the team.

pates

December 10th, 2010
10:39 am

Daniel,

No one said anything about being “flawless.” This is about corruption and violations.

social circle dawg

December 10th, 2010
10:40 am

You have lost quite a bit of respect from your readers this year Tony. Some of your columns/opinions this year have been…well, not so good.

How2fish

December 10th, 2010
10:41 am

BAMA dude pay for play is against the rules..so your peddling something that is also illegal.Its a moot point at this point as the SEC and NCAA have ruled they don’t care about their own rules…

AU WDE

December 10th, 2010
10:42 am

Man Tony you sure know how to stir things up! Cam Newton could have been the Pope and this audience would still want Aaron Murray or AJ Green. UGA fans should really take a close look at their own program before casting dispersions on the AU or any other program. I have some friends that are DAWG fans that are smart enough to realize what goes on behind the scenes in big time football. Wake up you bunch of Jackwagons or head on over to Mamby Pamby land for some common sense. It was a friendly rivalry when you guys beat AU; however, when we win we are dirty low down cheaters. Good grief, you guys whine about everything.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
10:42 am

In fact, one more thing and I’m done with the legal junk, the spirit of the “agrees to receive” rule was to allow punishment of handshake agreements in case they are uncovered before money actually changes hands. For example, let’s say the NCAA were able to prove that Cecil had found a source of funds at MSU, the deal was done, and he was ready to deliver. All of a sudden the NCAA comes sniffing around and Cecil runs like the bandit to Auburn. In that case Cam would have been immediately declared ineligible. Rogers, Cecil, and Bell all say that nobody ever agreed to pony up. Cecil and Cam both say that Cam didn’t know what was up. Unless you have evidence you have to assume their statements to be true.

timthebrave

December 10th, 2010
10:42 am

I don’t need the proof to figure this one out. To me there are only 2 options

Cecil asked for money from Miss State. When he didn’t get he
1. Got scared and signed with Auburn legitimately
2. Auburn paid him the most

These are not viable options
1. My dad almost ruined my career but I didn’t know anything and don’t need to ask my dad anything
2. Cam is completely innocent on this

WDE

December 10th, 2010
10:42 am

I didn’t say no one knew who he was… but there was no reason to assume all the way back in July he would be the best player in all of college football, and to bank on it.

opie

December 10th, 2010
10:43 am

$cam is gone in exactly one month and Auburn will be left with the clean up duty of the path of destruction he will surely leave behind.

timthebrave

December 10th, 2010
10:46 am

Don’t make excuses for Cam. I never stole a laptop and never cheated in college. If my dad almost cost me my eligibility, heisman and millions you’re damn straight I would ask if it was true.

OldFan

December 10th, 2010
10:46 am

Lordy, Lordy, we’re awash in rectitude! Anyone who’s been near the backrooms of big time college football recruiting is laughing all the way to the next 5-star recruit. The only regret they have is that they didn’t sign Cam. Look at every instititution in the country that’s tied to big money, status, and celebrity–from mega-churches to Congress–and the best you can hope for is that the majority of folks involved just straddle the line of proprietary for a while before they cross over. This is not cynicism. It’s realism. Cam’s a tremendous athlete who surpassed the last “greatest ever”. Unless he has hundred dollar bills sticking out from under his helmet, there’s no way his story isn’t this year’s biggest wonder in college football. And the fact is, if he were wearing a different uniform, all the outrage and all the defenders would just shift schools. What hypocrisy.

wtf?!?!?!?!?

December 10th, 2010
10:46 am

Dude, seriously, you need to stop. I am feeling sorry for you now. You said no one outside of UF or Auburn probably didn’t know who he was!!!!!!! You are all over the place and do nothing but backtrack. Stick to one argument or throw in the towel.

RCB

December 10th, 2010
10:46 am

College football will be clearly defined at the Heisman ceremony. An athelete who says neither he nor his father has done anything wrong will be acknowledged to be the best student athelete this nation has to offer. The question is not whether proof beyond a reasonable doubt has been offered to show the son knew his father would try to obtain the money. The son now states unequivocally that he has never talked to his father about this subject. Really??? The son also states his father did nothing wrong. By voting for the son, you are saying right and wrong off the field are no longer relevant. The son knows this is true and is literally laughing at you all the way to the bank. There are simply too many dollars involved for you or anyone else to try and stop him. And now we all know it too.

Gator Mike

December 10th, 2010
10:46 am

I wonder who Spurrier, Wuerffel and Tebow voted for.
I certainly hope Newton is clean only for the sake of Auburn University.

Starring Kam Fong as Chin Ho

December 10th, 2010
10:47 am

WDE, and “bank on it” Auburn did.

WTF

December 10th, 2010
10:47 am

The Heisman is a joke – it is about the most popular quaterback or running back, not the best player in college football. I’ll bet my bottom dollar that Cam nor any of the other contenders would have been as successful without someone to block for them, catch their passes or if their teams didn’t but a defense on the field.

But have to agree – if you don’t have the facts to prove he did something wrong, how can you withold your vote based on conjecture and rumor.

A logical question

December 10th, 2010
10:48 am

Someone posted here that no one could have guaranteed Scam’s AU or MSU football success. Frankly, he could have broken an ankle in the spring game and he would not have been the same. I will absolutely buy into that line of reasoning. Absolutely I will.

We all have to ask one little bitty question though. HOW MANY OTHER kids have been bartered for??In other words, you negotiate with several 4 and 5 star kids and that way, you have a far better chance of winning. YES, good coaching has to come into play as well.

THAT is the $24.00 question for both MSU and AU.

This will get dirtier before it gets better.

Wells

December 10th, 2010
10:48 am

@Strange goings-on,

That was not his father. That was Chette Williams the team’s chaplain and the director of Auburn University’s FCA program.

Arlo

December 10th, 2010
10:49 am

Reggie Bush didn’t personally demand rewards for his family to play at USC. Someone represented him and by NCAA ruling he was deemed ineligible, lost his Heissman & USC lost their NC & numerous scholarships. Cam’s dad acted as an agent representing his son and whether Cam knew or not is irrelevant & he is/was ineligible to play, much less receive a Heissman. PERIOD!

WDE

December 10th, 2010
10:51 am

I said most people on these boards didn’t know his name before the season. That’s a fact, I dare you to search the archives.

If you follow recruiting closely (as I do, and as you do too, obviously), then yes, you knew who he was.

MY POINT isn’t whether people knew him, but whether anyone could have predicted he would have such immediate and dominating success. You are lying if you thought he would be in this position today.

Don’t tell me every 5-star becomes the superstar he’s become. As a UGA fan, you should know that better than anyone…

ARdawg

December 10th, 2010
10:52 am

Do what you want Barnhart. It’s your vote but remember, it’ll be you and your vote that may contribute to demise of the modicum of honor as small as that may be that remains in college football

Reggie Bush was to the Heisman what Clinton was to the office of the President. Cam and Cecil have prime opportunity to be to college football what Obama is to the same office.

Us minions might not be able to do much, in fact nothing, to hinder what the powers that be of college football do to college fooball but, that doesn’t mean we don’t recognize those of you who are doing it. You are one Tony. You are a contributor. Enjoy your Heisman vote, enjoy your CBS paycheck. Your integrity lies in the same place we find Cecil Newtons

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
10:52 am

Arlo, based on current evidence Reggie’s folks got stuff and Cam’s didn’t. Big difference.

Whorukidding?

December 10th, 2010
10:53 am

What do you expect from a columnist who makes his living promoting a sport involving semi-professional “student athletes”? A vote by a columnist against a person like Newton would be an admission of the flaws in the big money college football landscape which the media feeds off. In other words, theres no “Tony Barnhart Show” on TV if they dont feed the hype machine for a big money conference like the SEC. Of course, this is all hidden behind “what matters is what happens on the field” and “the rules didn’t exactly say it was wrong” to justify the vote.

JB

December 10th, 2010
10:53 am

The world is simple……Democrats believe raising taxes on people who run and own businesses would make them want to expand and hire(sic). Republicans believe that growing a business and profits and expanding means hiring folks. lot’s of folks, who in turn, buy houses, furniture, cars, eat out,buy clothes.
Why is this so hard to understand. The Lazy and worthless get left behind, as they always do.

KR

December 10th, 2010
10:55 am

For everyone posting the SEC rule, here are your two sticking points:

1. “receives” – to date, no evidence has been shown that the Newtons received any money from any university (or agent of a university).

2. “agrees to receive” – to date, no evidence has been shown that any university (or agent of a university) offered any money to the Newtons. If no money is offered, it is impossible to agree to receive it.

In the end, it doesn’t matter what you believe. The only thing that matters is what you can prove.

PALADIN DEATH DEALER

December 10th, 2010
10:55 am

ATL is TigerTown:
3 times caught cheating, lapton stolen, father in on money making scheme and son, who is close to dad, knows nothing about it….PLEASE!!!!!!

PALADIN DEATH DEALER

December 10th, 2010
10:56 am

KR:
JUST WAIT, IT WILL BE PROVEN….GOT TO GET THE BCS DEAL DONE FIRST….

Lowered Standards

December 10th, 2010
10:57 am

I always thought the Heisman represented character & what is good & pure about collegiate football. Giving such an honor to a player that clearly isn’t worthy on any of those counts is a travesty.

Cam’s father acted as his agent. That made him ineligible. Doesn’t matter if Cam had anything to do with it. Sorry Tony, you’re wrong.

Arlo

December 10th, 2010
10:58 am

BAMA dude, where did the money come from to fix Cecil’s church?

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
10:59 am

Arlo

December 10th, 2010
10:58 am
BAMA dude, where did the money come from to fix Cecil’s church?

I don’t know. Neither do you.

WDE

December 10th, 2010
10:59 am

You know Cam’s older brother was recently in the NFL?

Clark Roberts

December 10th, 2010
11:00 am

In response to Cry me a river’s comment “Clark Roberts, Yeah, tell that to Reggie Bush you genius”

People forget so quickly what the NCAA found Bush and his family guilty of. Let me remind you.

1. Marketing and a sports agency were agreed upon by Reggie’s stepfather and an agency partner.

2. Round trip transportation was provided for Reggie’s parents and brother to attend the Orange bowl by an agency partner. His family was also provided round trip airfare and accommodations in 2005 for a California game by sports marketers.

3. Reggie was provided cash by an agency partner for the down payment, rims, car alarm, and an audio system on a new vehicle. This is key: Reggie is found by the NCAA to be personally involved.

4. Hotel accommodations and a limo were provided for Reggie by agency partners.

5. Reggie’s parents entered into a written agreement for a monthly sum to purchase a property in Spring Valley as well as utilities, furniture, and a washer and dryer. Reggie would pay the agency partner back with money from his professional contract.

6. It was acknowledged by USC that he received some (but not all) of the above benefits directly. USC agreed he was ineligible for competition during this time frame.

7. A sports marketer paid to have Reggie’s Chevrolet Impala repaired after an auto accident.

So far the only thing we know is that his father’s solicited money from MSU

So, cry me a river, I wouldn’t call you an idiot, but you’re definitely ignorant and intellectually lazy.

WDE

December 10th, 2010
11:00 am

always a silver lining

December 10th, 2010
11:00 am

The outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity.

JB

December 10th, 2010
11:00 am

If Auburn wins it all, the NCAA will close the case…..nothing to see here. And AJ sits 4 games. No, he didn’t know the guy was an ex agent. FOUR Games. CAM’S dad ask ( ADMITTEDLY) MSU for money and Cam gets 1 day. yea, sounds fair.

LT

December 10th, 2010
11:00 am

Guess I don’t understand the rules…..according to the NCAA if someone acted on a player’s behalf, known or unknown, doesn’t matter, and they do something outside of the rules it makes that player ineligible, whether or not Newton knew or not what was taking place, it appears at this whole year was played while ineligible. Great Year, but should it have ever occurred? Doesn’t appear so. Just as opinion, I can’t imagine he knew nothing about any of this, and most likely even got paid, but all that doesn’t matter either, just a question of eligibility. Does a leopard change it’s spots? Maybe, but usually not completely, and this fast, hmmmmmm? Hope your vote wasn’t wasted on a “professional”, only time will tell. Newton says he didn’t do anything wrong, so it must be true, just like his laptop story, yeah right. Big difference in doing, and knowing, once again, all about eligibility, not any of this.

timthebrave

December 10th, 2010
11:01 am

WDE, do you believe Cam didn’t know about his dad asking for money?

WDE

December 10th, 2010
11:01 am

Woops, wrong link:

http://www.jaguars.com/team/Player.aspx?id=2889

His older brother was an NFL player until just recently. League minimum is around $400k, am I right? I won’t say this is where the church money came from, but its just as possible as what you people are suggesting.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
11:01 am

Cam’s father acted as his agent. That made him ineligible. Doesn’t matter if Cam had anything to do with it. Sorry Tony, you’re wrong.

That’s all it takes? Cool! I’m going to Auburn Monday to ask for money as the agent of all their top 2011 recruits. They’ll all be guilty whether they know or not.

WDE

December 10th, 2010
11:01 am

I’d say chances of that are slim, but I also think it would be pretty easy to prove and the NCAA hasn’t yet.

jumbo gumbo

December 10th, 2010
11:02 am

time for Bark Madley to shut his mouth: Looks like Ky is the joke

Kentucky senior quarterback Mike Hartline, coming off the best season of his career, was arrested early Friday morning in Lexington and charged with second-degree disorderly conduct, alcohol intoxication in a public place and failure to notify authorities of an address change.

A more serious charge, according to the police report, is that a woman told police that Hartline hit her, causing pain in her lower jaw. Officers didn’t notice any visible injury and told the woman that she would need to press charges downtown if she wanted to take further action.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
11:02 am

WDE

December 10th, 2010
11:01 am
Woops, wrong link:

http://www.jaguars.com/team/Player.aspx?id=2889

His older brother was an NFL player until just recently. League minimum is around $400k, am I right? I won’t say this is where the church money came from, but its just as possible as what you people are suggesting.

He was on the practice squad until the last couple of weeks. He only made $80-100K tops before taxes.

GT

December 10th, 2010
11:04 am

OJ Simpson, Billy Cannon still have their trophies. When did this thing become a character contest? You had a shot at this guy when he was kicked out of Florida, you left him in the system. MSU had a shot at him in the recruiting process, you left him in the system. Now you expect a bunch of gnarly wells to make character decisions that were past on earlier. If character is that big an issue, make it one. Kick those people out of the Heisman club that have shown poor character, stop this hypocrisy call college recruiting. But don’t wait for a kid, to surprise you with how talented he is, and then to make this an issue. I still say no one would have paid Cam Newton a dime to be a two year ,at best, average quarterback more less a 180,000. Who knew he was going to be this good? If they had MSU probably would have paid the 180,000 and called it a bargain.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
11:04 am

WDE

December 10th, 2010
11:01 am
I’d say chances of that are slim, but I also think it would be pretty easy to prove and the NCAA hasn’t yet.

I disagree. Proving he knew would be very difficult.

Arlo

December 10th, 2010
11:04 am

Whether there was any money exchanged really doesn’t matter. Cecil (admittedly) shopped Cam around, which makes him Cam’s agent. NCAA rules state any player represented by an agent is ineligible to play.

timthebrave

December 10th, 2010
11:05 am

WDE, I just hope that Cam isn’t sitting in the NFL while Auburn takes the fall for him. Just like USC

McDawg

December 10th, 2010
11:07 am

Cam is the Man for the Heisman-starting to think the Orange Bowl is going to be a really good game

Arlo

December 10th, 2010
11:07 am

That’s all it takes? Cool! I’m going to Auburn Monday to ask for money as the agent of all their top 2011 recruits. They’ll all be guilty whether they know or not.

BAMA dude, why would they believe you? Are you the father of all of Auburn’s 2011 recruits?

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
11:09 am

Arlo

December 10th, 2010
11:04 am
Whether there was any money exchanged really doesn’t matter. Cecil (admittedly) shopped Cam around, which makes him Cam’s agent. NCAA rules state any player represented by an agent is ineligible to play.

Cecil is not an agent under NCAA definition and, since Cam didn’t know of Cecil’s solicitation he obviously never authorized Cecil to negotiate for him.

timthebrave

December 10th, 2010
11:09 am

BAMA…a stranger asking for money for a recruit and a father asking for money are two different things. Get real

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
11:10 am

BAMA dude, why would they believe you? Are you the father of all of Auburn’s 2011 recruits?

What difference does tha make? See, you believe he knew and are trying to find other ways to punish him because you can’t prove it.

WDE

December 10th, 2010
11:10 am

Cam will definitely be in the NFL next year. You can take that how you want:

a) He’s admitting guilt and getting the heck out
b) He’s not guilty, but tired of the public tar-and-feathering
c) He’s NFL ready and making the decision independent of the entire controversy

The most laughable thing is when competing fans started making fun of Auburn for Cam Newton “using us” to get to the NFL. As if that’s something new in college sports, and as if Auburn is the sucker.

If someone offered you $10 mil a year your junior year in college to do your dream job, its not something you would think twice about. Kids at every elite school do it every year. To try to make Auburn suddenly feel bad about their players jumping at the opportunity to go to the NFL is hilarious and hypocritical.

KR

December 10th, 2010
11:12 am

Actually Arlo, the NCAA ruled that Cam Newton was unaware of what his father was doing. That makes Cecil Newton a con artist, not an agent.

To use BAMA dude’s post above, if he goes to Auburn on Monday asking for money for all of the 2011 recruits without their knowledge of his actions, he’s a con artist. If he gets agreement from the players prior to asking for the money, he’s an agent.

HEISMAN TROPHY IS THE REAL SCAM!

December 10th, 2010
11:13 am

The Heisman trophy is the biggest dud of an award given in all of sports. The trophy is supposed to go to the “most oustanding college player” for that season. In years past, the award has been given to many who were not the best for that saeson. Ron Dayne won the award based on his career stats at Wisconsin, not on his performance that season. Also, unless your team is playing in a BCS AQ conference, you are given very little chance from the start. It’s just like the BCS and the polls. It is all a popularity contest. The frontrunners are named before the season even begins. Also, it overlooks the defensive players in the game on almost all occasions. When was the last time a D lineman, LB,CB or safety were even considered a frontrunner? It is a sham! The award means little to nothing anymore…

foodfight

December 10th, 2010
11:14 am

Hey S. Slope Keep practicing that law ’til you get it right. Practice makes perfect.

timthebrave

December 10th, 2010
11:14 am

WDE, Who is saying that Cam shouldn’t go to the NFL? Nobody got mad when Stafford went because he got to be the top pick. You go to college to get a good job. But IF Auburn gets probation for this 2 years down the road Auburn fans will feel pretty used

Dirty Dawg

December 10th, 2010
11:15 am

Tony, you choose column A, I’ll choose column B…if necessary I’ll go back and say ‘I’m sorry’, although, frankly I don’t think I’ll have anything to be sorry about – even if he didn’t know about his daddy, or uncle, or whoever, solicited money from Auburn, and you’ve got to know somebody did, his entire history at Florida is one of cutting corners and breaking laws..and he got away with that, pretty much unscathed. Suppose if he were to be denied the Heisman, he’ll just have to settle for the 40 or 50 million dollars he’ll get for playing ‘at the next level’.

If the Heisman people have to yank another one of these so soon, my guess is that they may consider abandoning that ‘integrity’ thingy – since it’ll have become a joke – or perhaps decide to do away with awarding the trophy at all. With today’s ‘entitlement/ attitude, finding a superior athlete with sufficient character traits to qualify is becoming impossible.

always a silver lining

December 10th, 2010
11:16 am

ARdawg

December 10th, 2010
11:17 am

KR

Thats quite a stretch both you and the NCAA are making. Cam was not suppose to have knowledge that his father was soliciting money on his behalf. WOW all this flies in the face of Cam’s admitting how close he, his father and his family is huh? Now you are making statements of things you couldn’t possibly know

Daniel

December 10th, 2010
11:17 am

@pates,

Right! So why blame the pawns (the student-athletes)??? The NCAA (the controller of the board) is one of the biggest shams and scam-runners going. They along with the Networks (ESPN, CBS, ABC) are laugh their behinds to the bank, off the backs of these kids. And now you have wayward parents getting involved looking for their slice of the pie (figuring if everyone else is benefiting why not us??)…its a mess!

But as hard as it is sometimes, from Sept to Nov, I just look beyond all the fluff and huff, and just want to watch good college football, and from Oct to April, view some outstanding, passionate college BB. Best team vs team, with an occansional showcasing of a top player or players here and there..that’s all.

If i wanted to watch soap operas and keep up with them, I would watch them, and shed my manhood and sports fan status in the process.

WDE

December 10th, 2010
11:18 am

Right, timthebrave- if this gets any worse, then Auburn fans are the true victims. And everyone here will laugh at us, pump their chests and say “I told you so, stupid BARN fans”… I just want to make the point that if it was your favorite player with all this going on, what would you do differently but stand by him until you shouldn’t?

I was apathetic about the USC case, but I assumed it was all true just the same as yall are now. Maybe that wasn’t fair. I’ll tell you all though, it feels a lot different when its your program involved.

Spike

December 10th, 2010
11:18 am

Uhhh, Tony, is it not ABSTAINED, not “obstained”?

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
11:20 am

ARdawg

December 10th, 2010
11:17 am
KR

Thats quite a stretch both you and the NCAA are making. Cam was not suppose to have knowledge that his father was soliciting money on his behalf. WOW all this flies in the face of Cam’s admitting how close he, his father and his family is huh? Now you are making statements of things you couldn’t possibly know

No he’s not. Again, separate what has been proven with fact from what you wholeheartedly think you know. I think he’s guilty too but there is nothing evidentiary to refute his statement that he didn’t know.

always a silver lining

December 10th, 2010
11:20 am

BAMA dude You strain at a gnat and swallow a camel- stop with the parsing of words. You believe what you like- as will I. Go take your $5 defenses elsewhere. You apparently think you are the Solomon of the blog from what I have read and have the truth cornered. I beg to differ.

McDawg

December 10th, 2010
11:22 am

Auburn fans victims??? victim of what Gene Chizk’s hairdo??

KR

December 10th, 2010
11:24 am

ARdawg: it’s not me making what you perceive to be a stretch. I have no authority regarding matters of NCAA eligibility. I also have no way of knowing what Cam Newton did or did not know, and I suspect you don’t either.

ugadog311

December 10th, 2010
11:24 am

Cam: Dad, I love Mississippi State because I’ve always thought I could play in a Dan Mullen offense. I mean, I was originally recruited to be Mullen’s guy at Florida.
Cecil: No, son, you’re going to Auburn. No questions !
Cam: Yes sir, daddy. I will go to Auburn.

And we’re supposed to believe that was the end of the conversation, not:

Cam: ummm…..Daddy ? Why do I all of a sudden have to go to Auburn ?

AltamahaDawg

December 10th, 2010
11:28 am

WDE, actually most people on this board DID know who Cam Newton was. I dare say that most UGA fans knew who he was long before most Auburn fans did. For reasons that do not need explaining, UGa fans are very aware of any Florida Gator that gets into trouble.

fishpool

December 10th, 2010
11:28 am

The 800 lb. gorilla in the room is MISSISSIPPI STATE. The athletic director at State left in Jan
and is in Arizona. Dan Mullen is gone from State . Why? because he and his wife are knowledgeable and aware of this situation. Mullen’s scheme has backfired and he wants out if Starkville. It will happen in Jan. ‘11

ARdawg

December 10th, 2010
11:28 am

BAMA dude

I haven’t pretended to know anything concerning Cam, and what he did and didn’t know. That would be you, KR and the NCAA. I did find it hard to believe that Cam and Cecil being so close and all, that Cam would have no knowledge of what his mentor, father and closest confidant was soliciting him for cash. That doesn’t strike you as at the very least odd? Cecil supposedly has admitted doing so. With that information how can someone condemn OR exonerate Cam is beyond me

Troubling

December 10th, 2010
11:28 am

Personally, I have a hard time believing Cam knew nothing, or, for that matter, received nothing. I have an even harder time believing he and his father have NEVER discussed this. However, what I believe doesn’t really matter because there is nothing I can do about it. College footbal, in my opinion,l has become a joke and the SEC/NCAA has lost respect from many college football fans. I hate this, for the AU players, who could potentially have their team accomplishments completely vacated. And, it is unfair to the fans of AU should that happen. As I said, this is really troubling . . . and, SLIPPERY SLOPE, you make some good points. Just my thoughts . . .

timthebrave

December 10th, 2010
11:31 am

WDE, I don’t blame you for standing behind your team and hoping for the best. I just wouldn’t be trying to convince everyone that he is of upstanding character when everyone knows of his past. It’s possible that he was a liar, thief and cheat and changed his ways but I wouldn’t bet the farm on it. You can’t convince me he didn’t know what his father was doing especially when he doesn’t feel the need to ask his father if it was true. It just doesn’t pass the logic test to me. I understand that the law and courts need proof but for me I’l go with my instincts. If it smells like sh** and looks like sh** I don’t need to taste it to prove its sh**

gomdawg

December 10th, 2010
11:34 am

TONY , SIMPLE THROW YOUR VOTE AWAY , BUT THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE LOOK ON YOURE FACE , NO YOURE NOT STUPID YOU KNOW CAM KNEW A WHAT KIND OF A DEAL HIS DAD TRIED TO MAKE WITH MISSISSPPI STATE AND GOD ONLY KNOW WHAT AUBURN DID PAY HIM . BECAUSE I CAN PROMISE YOU ONE THING THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
11:35 am

always a silver lining

December 10th, 2010
11:20 am
BAMA dude You strain at a gnat and swallow a camel- stop with the parsing of words. You believe what you like- as will I. Go take your $5 defenses elsewhere. You apparently think you are the Solomon of the blog from what I have read and have the truth cornered. I beg to differ.

Ha. Nothing of the sort. My point is that we aren’t talking about “belief” here when determining guile or innocence under NCAA rules. The Heisman voters can think and speak with their votes however they wish.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
11:36 am

ARDawg, it strikes me as more than odd. I think he knew everything, but I can’t prove it.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
11:37 am

timthebrave, great post at 11:31. If the Heisman voters choose to feel the same way then they can as well.

Arlo

December 10th, 2010
11:38 am

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
11:10 am

What difference does tha make? See, you believe he knew and are trying to find other ways to punish him because you can’t prove it.

Again, it doesn’t matter if he knew that his mentor father was shopping him. He’s ineligible.

To quote Tommy Boy… “I can get a good look at a T-bone by sticking my head up a bull’s ***, but I’d rather take a butcher’s word for it.”

Selective Morals

December 10th, 2010
11:38 am

Not a fan of Auburn or Cam, but lets stop being so selective with our morals people. To say he shouldn’t get it based on character is stupid, because no one seemed to care that Troy Smith won the Heisman after ACTUALLY TAKING MONEY from an agent and getting suspended for it (his freshman year). Also, no one seemed to be outraged last year that Mark Ingram won it after having been sanctioned by the NCAA for TAKING MONEY from an agent. And if we are going to hold Cam responsible for the sins of his father, isn’t Ingram’s dad in prison, and didn’t he run from the law to see his son play? Ingram had no control over that, just like a 19 year old kid has no control over his dad pimping him out. Whether Cam knew or not, he couldn’t have stopped his dad from doing it.

We aren’t awarding these guys entrance to heaven, its the damn Heisman and hes the best player. Almost every great player has gotten into some trouble. Didn’t yall when you were in college?

Get off your high horses, hypocrites.

Bo Jackson

December 10th, 2010
11:39 am

I voted for Waaaaashown Ealey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jeff

December 10th, 2010
11:40 am

Great Tony! Way to condone family members charging for their kids to play. There is absolutly no way he did not have an inkling about this as close as this family says they are. The NCAA and SEC opened a huge can of worms here and now we are going to spend the next few weeks as all of you try to upgrade his image. If this does come back and it is proven he knew, then I hope that the head of the SEC and NCAA is fired on the spot and all of you that played the game with them lose all credibility. I only hope and pray that the ducks put a nice touch to the Barns and Cammies year with a blowout. I refuse to cheer for any team that cheats or has a player that does. His dad did it and the SEC rules clearly state that it does not matter if the player knew or not…..that we have a spineless Commish at the SEC that chooses to ignore the by-laws is irrelivant.

always a silver lining

December 10th, 2010
11:41 am

The outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. Heisman winner.

WarCamPigeonLOL

December 10th, 2010
11:41 am

@ John; you posted this:

“Those writers who refused to vote for him out of their “feelings” should have their ballots voided and their Heisman voting privileges stripped from them. If I were their newspaper editor or publisher, I would fire them too because they have demonstrated blatant bias and prejudice and have sghown they don’t have the credentials or judgment to be sports writer or editor.”

What the hell do you think voting is? It’s a biased selection. Fire someone for that and see how fast you wind up in court.

ARdawg

December 10th, 2010
11:42 am

BAMA dude

Nor can I. Apparent;y KR and the NCAA can. Although they haven’t provided any proof or information of how they can. I suppose we “just take their word for it”

gdawginkalamazoo

December 10th, 2010
11:43 am

WDE, so his brother made “a lot” of money in the NFL what is Cecil doing shopping Cam around?
Why not ask his eldest son for the funds and have Cam pay him back?

Wells

December 10th, 2010
11:43 am

Please Lord make sure that some of these people are never called to trial.

Please Lord let me not be judged based on the actions of my father.

Please Lord let me not be judged on my actions as a 19 year old. Most of us were pretty stupid then.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
11:45 am

Arlo, I don’t know how to respond other than you’re wrong. The NCAA has spoken on this matter. If you haven’t seen this already, check it out. Money quote:

“That’s the question I think a lot of people ask not just today, but when I worked in reinstatement 10 years ago. We struggled with the issue of student-athlete knowledge and culpability for certain violations vs. the deterrence factor,” said Lach, the NCAA’s new vice president of enforcement. “When you’re talking about a National Collegiate Athletic Association, whose primary mission is to serve student-athlete well-being, then generally you land on the side of student-athlete welfare.”

I agree wholeheartedly with that sentiment.

for its a-r-k-a-n-s-a-s for Arkansas

December 10th, 2010
11:47 am

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
11:47 am

ARdawg

December 10th, 2010
11:42 am
BAMA dude

Nor can I. Apparent;y KR and the NCAA can. Although they haven’t provided any proof or information of how they can. I suppose we “just take their word for it”

Nope. They don’t have to prove the negative. By definition Cam’s and Cecil’s statements are evidence that Cam didn’t know. Unless there is other evidence suggesting that Cam did know then all of the evidence falls in their favor.

KR

December 10th, 2010
11:49 am

ARdawg, you need help with reading comprehension.

I clearly stated that I have no way of knowing what Cam Newton did or did not know. Since I don’t know, I am choosing not to speculate. You and many others apparently don’t have a problem in this regard.

The NCAA stated in their ruling that there was insufficient evidence at this time to conclude that Cam Newton was aware of his father’s actions.

WhineWhineWhine

December 10th, 2010
11:49 am

Its been almost 4 weeks since the Thuga beat down in Auburn. Do you think you Thuga fans will stop whining by Christmas. Get over it….

bestpost@11:31

December 10th, 2010
11:50 am

timthebrave, Very well said,Better than these”so called” experts on here

AltamahaDawg

December 10th, 2010
11:50 am

It’s very pausible that Cam did not know what his Dad was doing, in terms of secret meeting and talk of money exchange. If he didnt suspect anything and his dad didnt tell him, its entirely possible he didnt know. Opinion as to if that is true, but it is possible. What is not plausible is the statement that after it’s plastered over every sport page in America, Cam never “directly asked” him about it. Well, let me re-phrase that, its not plausible that Cam not asking him directly about it was anythiong over than a very thought out defensive strategy that was reached. One I agree with. But it jsut seemed to me he was passing it off, as it just didn’r come up.

BTW, I think it “should” matter to the NCAA if there was knowledge or intent. We have all said that at various times in the past. I just don’t understand how they reconsile that now, with thier very rigid stance in the past, or how in the heck they plan to have any standard going forward.

Arlo

December 10th, 2010
11:50 am

Wells

December 10th, 2010
11:43 am

Please Lord make sure that some of these people are never called to trial.

I can agree with that.

Please Lord let me not be judged based on the actions of my father.

As long as your father doesn’t try to sell your abilities as a collegiate football player you’re good to go.

Please Lord let me not be judged on my actions as a 19 year old. Most of us were pretty stupid then.

Most of us weren’t going to be millionaires before we turned 21. Cam is just playing stupid.

ol' balls coach

December 10th, 2010
11:51 am

Well stated by Selective Moral. Want to talk integrity – how about we look at how many Heisman winners even go to close, yet accept grades and scholarship money. MSU AD left, Mullen is on his way to Gainesville and the shoe will drop in Starkville.

MURPHY

December 10th, 2010
11:52 am

I was hoping to have some football conversations today but I see the Cam issue is till being discussed. This stinks.He was found not GUILTY of wrong doing.He should be Heisman winner.He and his team proved ON THE FIELD-NOT IN THE MEDIA that that are tops in the SEC and from what ive seen so far soon to be tops in the Nation.GIVE IT A REST PEOPLE!

always a silver lining

December 10th, 2010
11:52 am

Wells Please make them stop asking all those questions- we just want our trophy!!! Make them stop- please!!!

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
11:54 am

BTW, I think it “should” matter to the NCAA if there was knowledge or intent. We have all said that at various times in the past. I just don’t understand how they reconsile that now, with thier very rigid stance in the past, or how in the heck they plan to have any standard going forward.… AltamahaDawg

I think the key here is that there is no evidence that any money changed hands. If they allowed a player to play after his Dad GOT money by claiming he didn’t know then there would obviously be a loophole that many people would try to exploit. As it stands you can only maintain eligibility if your Dad tries for money without your knowledge and doesn’t get it. I see no reason to change the rules in order to make that illegal.

irish dawg

December 10th, 2010
11:54 am

cam newton does not desire to win the H EISMAN TROPHY .he a thief, Lair and a cheater and is not a good role model for the kids .but he will still win it. character does not mean anything these days

nick fairley

December 10th, 2010
11:56 am

i thought i should have gotten a couple of votes

nick fairley

December 10th, 2010
11:57 am

irish dawg? desire? i think he probably wanted to win it

ARdawg

December 10th, 2010
11:59 am

KR

I haven’t speculated. No where will you find that I have said Cam knew or didn’t know. That Cecil did or didn’t solicit. There isn’t anything other than rumor and innuendo. The NCAA isn’t saying. They are only clearing Cam of knowledge of what his father admits. Yet, they provide nothing to substaniate that finding. I don’t know if the kid is guilty or not, more over, I don’t even care.

You on the other hand made earlier statements that because the NCAA cleared Cam, he’s innocent. I don’t swallow that hook as fast you

Wells

December 10th, 2010
11:59 am

Arlo

19 year olds make mistakes. Why is he held to a different standard because he “might” have been a millionaire?

“Please Lord let me not be judged based on the actions of my father.

As long as your father doesn’t try to sell your abilities as a collegiate football player you’re good to go.”

The kid still shouldn’t be judged. I have no problem with people taking the father to task. Based on the people with all the information (NCAA and SEC) he didn’t know.

NO

December 10th, 2010
11:59 am

Don’t let it go,That is what is Fuc%#ng wrong with this country today.Just look the other way,Let it go.He!! NO! Not on this one.Enough people should just start raising all kinda he!! over it.It’s pitifully corrupt.

wxwax

December 10th, 2010
12:02 pm

I’m sorry, Tony.

It defies logic and reason that Newton didn’t know what his father was up to.

Speculation? Only in the most technical sense.

Arlo

December 10th, 2010
12:02 pm

Now for the key passage in Joe Schad’s report last month:

Prior to Newton’s commitment to Auburn, one of the recruiters said Cecil Newton told him it would take “more than a scholarship” to bring his son to Mississippi State, a request the source said the school would not meet. Cecil Newton also referred the recruiter to a third person who would provide more specifics, the source said.

After Newton committed to Auburn, another source said an emotional Cam Newton phoned another recruiter to express regret that he wouldn’t be going to Mississippi State, stating that his father, Cecil, had chosen Auburn for him because “the money was too much.”

hornblowermg

December 10th, 2010
12:03 pm

i have been a football enthusiast since before i started school in the first grade and have placed too much importance on the sport and its various aspects. it has taken up far too much of my time, and i have always looked for ways to diminish its affect on my felicity. no more. what a lot of crap everywhere that anyone can look regarding the sport. what a stupid person you are, tb.

nick fairley

December 10th, 2010
12:03 pm

let me ask all you scholars this…..if you put aside the circus surrounding cam newton and the fact that AU beat all your alma maters….who is the best college football player you’ve seen this year??? or in MANY years for that matter….he would have a statue in athens and tuscaloosa…..

just saying

georgiadawg70

December 10th, 2010
12:03 pm

Tony, This is what we know. The guy is a felon. Larceny, burglery, and obstruction of justice for stealing a computer. He plead guilty to this is exchange for it being reduced to a non felony. He is a lier. He said he didn’t know the computer was stolen but threw it out the window when the police arrived. That’s were the obstruction charge came in. He was caught cheating three times, someting he didn’t deny, and left school before being expelled and fled to Texas.

This guy is slime. The Trophy deserves better than this. He is the best athlete but in regards of character the has none. He is an insult to college athletics

kevin

December 10th, 2010
12:04 pm

Do you really think Cecil tried to get money from Mississippi State and got nothing from Auburn? Cam Newton says “the truth will come out.” How can you know the truth, Cam? I thought you had no idea what your father was doing.

MURPHY

December 10th, 2010
12:05 pm

NO,

You cant get blood from a turnip!

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
12:07 pm

Arlo, that obviously couldn’t be proven. If it could then Cam wouldn’t be playing. Either Schad’s source wasn’t credible or Cam lied anout saying that. He admits to calling MSU to break the news so phone records wouldn’t be damning. How can you prove what he said?

Patrick

December 10th, 2010
12:08 pm

I think that because he was by far the best player this year that it made the choice a lot easier for the voters. If this was a year that had a close race I think a lot of voters would have voted for the other option but this year Cam is the clear cut winner.

Joe Bob

December 10th, 2010
12:08 pm

Don’t know why all the leg humpers are so upset. You have no “dawg” in this hunt . Sounds like sour grapes from your loss to the Tigers. Why not focus your comments on what will get UGA out of the SEC cellar instead of criticizing another program? Just sayin’

NaNaNaNaNaNa

December 10th, 2010
12:08 pm

You can’t prove that OJ did it — and Cam is just like OJ !!!

Waw Weagle !!!

ARdawg

December 10th, 2010
12:09 pm

Cam says the truth will come out?

Supposedly, Cam doesn’t know the truth. Did he really make that statement?

ARdawg

December 10th, 2010
12:11 pm

Joe Bob

you should quit beating off on yourself and prepare to assume your rightful position at the bottom of the West next year with Cam gone. And yes, your yearly beatings from Georgia will continue

gdawginkalamazoo

December 10th, 2010
12:11 pm

NO, but that’s easier than actually embarrassing somebody or making them conform to the rules that we spend so much money and time making up. The bodies that govern just don’t give a damn. Take the easy road. While I am at it look at the State of Florida. This week Gov. Crist pardoned Jim Morrison of the Doors for a crime he comitted back in the 70’s. WTF? He had to contact three other pardon board members to get them to take time read the pardon and approve it. IMO I would think that the State of Florida has more important things to take care of.

Bob in Buford

December 10th, 2010
12:11 pm

You forgot to account for the kid who finishes second. If they take it back from Newton, what do you tell that kid? They didn’t give Reggie’s to #2. Cam Newton was the best player this year. The voters don’t have to follow the loophole the NCAA did.

Scam Newton

December 10th, 2010
12:11 pm

Look, forget what happened at Auburn. He stole a laptop at Florida and was involved in academic cheating. He does not represent what the Heisman is all about. He is not a student-athlete in any sense of the term.

AltamahaDawg

December 10th, 2010
12:12 pm

Except that the rules don’t say that. If they should, fine, change them.

A MUST READ.....

December 10th, 2010
12:12 pm

Source: http://larrybrownsports.com/college-football/how-corrupt-auburn-is-and-how-they-laundered-money-to-players-cam-newton/39981

“If you’re one of those people that closes your eyes to harsh realities, or if you’re an Auburn fan, you won’t want to hear any of this. If you’re a normal college football fan, you probably understand that recruiting violations and some form of “pay for play” are the norm in high-profile college athletics. Not much however matches the scale to which things have gone on at Auburn.

I was first exposed to the corruption going on at that school — or more specifically the corruption involving booster and board of trustee member Bobby Lowder in a Bragging Rights: A Season Inside the SEC, College Football’s Toughest Conferencebook by Richard Ernsberger called Bragging Rights. In short, Lowder was the CEO of Colonial BancGroup, a huge bank in Alabama which recently failed. He used his power at the bank to bribe members on Auburn’s board of trustees through interest free loans, and he is essentially the team’s athletic director and responsible for their hires.

The incredible research and investigation done by blueTunaTiger at the LSU site Tiger Droppings points out that over the past 10 years, about five people have served as members of the Auburn Board of Trustees as well as Colonial BancGroup’s Board of Directors. You know what that means? The people controlling Auburn’s booster funds also controlled one of the state’s most powerful banks, and vice versa.

So how has money been funneled to players recently? Well one way has been through the Fine-Geddie lobbying group, which has been paid through Auburn’s booster fund Tigers Unlimited Foundation (also prominently noted at Sports by Brooks). Another way suggested by Tiger Droppings has been donating to the Alabama Children’s First Foundation. Money from that fund may have been used in recruiting. Now, as for some shadier ways, check out this creativity.

From TD: “Such things include guaranteed winning slot machines for AU players at Milt’s (Colonial Board member, AU Booster) Casino, unmarked ATM cards issued to AU players from Colonial Bank (Bobby Lowder-AU Board Member and Booster; Pat Dye-Colonial Board member, AU employee and Booster), forgiven loans to families, friends, donors, etc.”

Now what makes me feel so certain a good amount of this information is accurate? The FBI’s presence in the case. Why would the FBI be involved in the investigation of a college football player? As we learned on Wednesday from TMZ, the FBI was asking about Milton McGregor’s involvement in the Cam Newton case. McGregor is an Auburn booster who ran a greyhound racing track called VictoryLand and he was recently arrested along with 10 others in a political bribery scheme.

McGregor was trying to pay off politicians to vote in favor of pro-gambling legislation. The FBI had wire tapped McGregor and many others regarding this case, and that’s how they came across all the information about Auburn’s pay for play schemes, including Cam Newton. McGregor’s attorney denied his client had any involvement with the Newtons, but we’ll wait until we hear what the FBI has to say.

That’s not all. A post on Tide Sports says McGregor made a payment of $250,000 to Cam Newton’s uncle through a PAC, and then the uncle funneled the money back to Cam’s father. Don’t believe this stuff? The FBI has made arrests and has been investigating this case for nearly a year. I’d say that means they have some pretty darn concrete evidence. My trust runs with the Feds, where does yours?”

Notthisyear

December 10th, 2010
12:14 pm

To NO, I agree! But you forgot the biggest thing,The money is just too much.PUN AbsolUtely intended.

Scam Newton

December 10th, 2010
12:14 pm

Joe Bob, lets see who was the last team between Allbarn and UGA to have a loosing season, I think we know who it was, just sayin! You guys feel at home in the cellar and when Scam goes to the NFL you will be right back at home, is Tony Franklin still available?

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
12:15 pm

Bob in Buford

December 10th, 2010
12:11 pm
You forgot to account for the kid who finishes second. If they take it back from Newton, what do you tell that kid? They didn’t give Reggie’s to #2. Cam Newton was the best player this year. The voters don’t have to follow the loophole the NCAA did.

Eh, no worries. LaMichael James will finish second and he’s a criminal too.

Joe Bob

December 10th, 2010
12:15 pm

ARpupster – right now your program in Athens is at the bottom of the heap in the SEC. Enjoy mediocrity. It must really stink to be a Dawg fan. HBTD? They s_ck and so do many of their fans like you. Jealousy and envy will get you nowhere leg humpers.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
12:15 pm

AltamahaDawg

December 10th, 2010
12:12 pm
Except that the rules don’t say that. If they should, fine, change them.

What are you referring to here?

gdawginkalamazoo

December 10th, 2010
12:16 pm

nick fairley, Cam Newton, that’s the sad part of the whole thing.

Arlo

December 10th, 2010
12:17 pm

Article 13 (13.1.2.2) of the NCAA Division I rules manual specifies that spouses of coaches are allowed to be in contact with recruits during official on-campus visits and, under certain circumstances, during official off-campus visits.

Dan Mullen Wife Megan Is Permissible Recruiter For Mississippi State

As the spouse of Mississippi State head coach Dan Mullen, Megan Mullen is classified officially by the NCAA as a “permissible recruiter” for her husband’s football team.

Article 13 (13.1.2.4) further states that a permissible recruiter can talk to a recruit on the phone only “if the prospect initiates the conversation and the call is not for recruiting purposes.”

Once again, from the Starkville Daily News on Cam Newton and Dan Mullen after Newton’s father chose Auburn over Mississippi State:

“It was probably one of the hardest decisions I have made in my recent life,” Newton said. “Not just telling him because we had a good relationship but having to tell his wife – Ms. Megan – that was one of the hardest things because I don’t know we had such a close relationship.

“This decision wasn’t just merely all my decision. I have to clear it with the whole nine yards. Not just how I feel but I got to go through so many people to see what they think whether it be my family and the close people towards me.”

Dan Mullen said of Newton that week to the Times-Daily:

“We recruited him hard and I know him, know his family,”

Is it unreasonable to suggest that Dan and Megan Mullen are, “two sources who recruit for Mississippi State” who ESPN.com reported, “said that Cecil Newton and his son, quarterback Cam Newton, said in separate phone conversations that his college choice would be part of a pay-for-play plan while Newton was being recruited late last year.”?

If so, surely the NCAA can’t possibly be aware of those conversations.

Especially considering the SEC has already denied – on the record – that it ever received any information about such phone conversations from Mississippi State.

Right Commissoner Slive?

Right President Emmert?

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
12:20 pm

Arlo, all Cam has to do is deny, deny, deny. No tapes = No proof.

dap01

December 10th, 2010
12:21 pm

Three jokes: Barnhart, Florida (he was not even in trouble for stealing, 12 traffic violations and cheating) and Auburn (Who admits someone with this record.

I am disappointed that the recruiting guru of the AJC can not agree.

Joe Bob

December 10th, 2010
12:21 pm

Cam Newton is the best player in college football. Everyone knows it but the Dawgs just can’t handle the truth. I used to think you were our cousins, now I know that you’re exactly what other SEC schools describe you as – dumb and delusional – never a good combination but that is apparently the status quo in Athens. Is anyone really surprised UGA is at the bottom of the SEC? Only the Dawg fans.

AltamahaDawg

December 10th, 2010
12:22 pm

Wells, this is not a matter of being “judged”. It’s not a moral issue. It’s not a legal issue. It’s a matter of eligibility within the framework of a a very specific set of rules set up to govern a very specific structure. Should you “judge” a golfer whose ball moved while he was addressing it? Should he be penalized a stroke. It’s a made up rule, but that’s the rule.

X and O's

December 10th, 2010
12:22 pm

Because you have more of a crush on him than you had on Tebow?

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
12:25 pm

JoeBob I wouldn’t talk too much. The Barn will be lucky to break .500 next year with that schedule and returning roster.

Mr. Groove

December 10th, 2010
12:25 pm

I feel as if all of the college players should receive some type of monetary compensation and not just a scholarship. Say what you want, but the conferences are signing million dollar television contracts, selling tickets to games at outrageous prices, there are video games with college teams that have the college players on there with their numbers(just doesn’t have their names on the back of their jerseys) and you have college coaches with salaries that are higher than some NFL coaches. So, why shouldn’t the players receive some type of compensation. This blog is a joke.

Steve

December 10th, 2010
12:28 pm

Arlo…well, the financial records were submitted and reviewed…so, clearly NCAA is satisfied the funds did not come from anyone associated with Auburn.

Perfect Storm

December 10th, 2010
12:29 pm

God has smiled on the Bishop Newton and his son. Not only did they get away with violating the intent (if not the letter) of the SEC and NCAA bylaws regarding amateurism in collegiate sports, but they did it in a year in which the entire FBS is in the trough of a cycle of excellence.

Had this not been a down year for the entire league, then Cam’s contribution to Auburn’s football prowess might well have yielded a 10-2 or 9-3 season and the sweeping of this entire issue under the rug would have gone unnoticed.

I’m just glad that it got exposed. I don’t really care if the SEC, the NCAA and blowhards like Tony Barnhart get away with pretending that this is “technically within the rules”. The important thing is that everyone now knows in their hearts that Auburn cheated again — as they always have whenever they have had a successful football season.

You Aubies can gloat and wallow in your denial to your heart’s content. It doesn’t matter. We all know the truth, and (unlike in a court of law) we don’t need to prove it to anyone “beyond a reasonable doubt”. Just knowing it is enough for me.

I did not watch the SECCG. I will not watch the Heisman Trophy presentation. I will not watch the BCSCG. I hope that like-minded fans of CFB will join me in my boycott and send a message to the money-grubbing A-holes in charge of the SEC, the NCAA and the BCS that we are fed up and we won’t put up with any more BS.

Money talks. That’s the only message that will get these folks’ attention, because that’s all that they really care about. It’s just that simple.

MURPHY

December 10th, 2010
12:30 pm

Joe Bob,

Im a Dawg and I think Cam should be the Heisman winner.I support what he and Au have done on the field.Off the field I have seen no proof of wrong doing. Save your UGA Fan remarks for the ones that you are sure are DUMB & DELUSIONAL! Im pretty sure SOME Auburn fans fit this catagory as well.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
12:30 pm

Perfect Storm, how do you think the Barn cheated? You think they paid?

Whatever

December 10th, 2010
12:31 pm

When Newton wins the Heisman, will UGA shutup and let this go? It will mean that, apparently, most disagree with you wanting to crucify him.

UGA fans act like they know/have the facts, which is obviously ludicrous. What is the REAL reason that you want him to be guilty?

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
12:32 pm

Murph,

Im pretty sure SOME damn near every one of the cow violating Auburn fans fit this catagory as well.

Fixed that for you. Was that wrong of me?

Driving Ms Dooley

December 10th, 2010
12:33 pm

The task of deciding Cam’s eligibilty is on the NCAA, NOT the Heisman Media darling award voters. Cam is the most dominant player to come down the pike in years–and that’s an understatement. THE FATHER OF LAST YEARS WINNER WAS IN PRISON! Yeah, Cecil is an idiot but the NCAA publicly stated that Cam was eligible.

And Tony, by putting Andrew Luck at #7, you’re showing what the Heisman is all about, regional favoritism. Which brings me back to the fact tht its a stupid award anyway.

MURPHY

December 10th, 2010
12:34 pm

BAMA dude,

It appears you are correct to change my statement. Thank you sir

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December 10th, 2010
12:34 pm

Steve Skelton

December 10th, 2010
12:35 pm

I could not agree more with your stance on the Cam Newton situation. I surely hope it’s not as bad as it might be. The kid seems to be a really decent person and he’s the best college football player I can remember since Barry Sanders. As far as anyone you left out, how about Andy Dalton at TCU. He’s a BIG reason why they have won SO many games over the last few years. Yes, they have an amazing defense, and Gary Patterson is a fantastic coach, but I think that QB had more to do with their success than most people realize.

Perfect Storm

December 10th, 2010
12:36 pm

@BAMA dude

I believe that they knowingly recruited and played an athlete that was ineligible. Can I prove it? No. Does that change my opinion? No.

Do you secretly agree with my belief? Probably.

DinD

December 10th, 2010
12:36 pm

“NCAA President Mark Emmert have defended the ruling based on the evidence and based on the the NCAA rules, which don’t have a by-law to address this specific case.”

Actually they do. Tony, you apparent misunderstanding of the situation should cause you to abstain from voting. The NCAA rule is clear. Tehy found a violation of a rule. The rule does not say anything about knowledge or lack of knowledge. There is no loophole. The rule is clear and concise, which is why Auburn declared CAM NEWTON, rather than say Wes Bynum ineligible. To assert that the violation was Cecil’s is wrong – cecil was a major player involved in the violation, but the violation belongs to Cam, not Cecil.

What the NCAA has done is to take the violation and provide a nominal and inconsequential penalty. That’s fine, that is their choice. But please get your facts straight. You have consistently misrepresented what happened and it is a shame. I suppose though while you have vast football knowledge, it is unfair to expect you to understand this legal issue.

MURPHY

December 10th, 2010
12:37 pm

Steve Skelton,

Do you see TCU beating Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl?

THE CATHOLIC HAMMER

December 10th, 2010
12:37 pm

What happens around midnight on Monday, January 10th, 2011, when Oregon scores it’s 8th and final touchdown of the game, winning 56 to 30?

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
12:38 pm

Perfect Storm, Auburn clearly knew about the accusations in the summer. They obviously thought he’d be cleared and they were right. I’ve made no secret about the fact that I personally think he’s guilty.

Driving Ms Dooley

December 10th, 2010
12:39 pm

@Whatever
Re: When Newton wins the Heisman, will UGA shutup and let this go? It will mean that, apparently, most disagree with you wanting to crucify him.
UGA fans act like they know/have the facts, which is obviously ludicrous. What is the REAL reason that you want him to be guilty?

UGA fans won’t let it go–ever. I was with one last night and he said he is rooting for Oregon. Typical. UGA fans hate their rivals to the point that they always root against them–even it means making other conferences appear stronger than the SEC. They don’t realize what the SEC has done for them which is to make them relevant even in down years.

They also don’t see the difference in AJ TAKING CASH FROM AN AGENT, DEPOSITING IN HIS BANK ACCOUNT AND GETTING CAUGHT

Driving Ms Dooley

December 10th, 2010
12:40 pm

AJ’s deal vs speculation about someone taking money.

MURPHY

December 10th, 2010
12:41 pm

THE CATHOLIC HAMMER,

The State of Alabama will be put on suicide watch-of course the part thats on the plains.

Atlantaguy

December 10th, 2010
12:41 pm

What is not ’still under investigation’ is the fact that Cam Newton knowingly bought stolen property and turned in plagiarized work twice while at Florida. The guy is a gifted athlete, but lacks in character. He reminds me of Michael Vick. Without considering the the pay-for-play investigation I would not have voted for him.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
12:41 pm

Driving Ms Dooley, you’ll never catch me rooting for the Barn or the Viles. Just ain’t happening.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
12:42 pm

Atlantaguy, that’s a very fair viewpoint too.

MURPHY

December 10th, 2010
12:42 pm

Driving Ms Dooley,

They? You mean the one idiot you hung out with last night-NOT THEY!

Arlo

December 10th, 2010
12:44 pm

BAMA dude, I guess you are more in touch with denial.

timthebrave

December 10th, 2010
12:44 pm

Driving Ms Dooley, Not true on all points. Everyone at GA was mad at AJ and he got penalized heavily for it. UGA fans usually root for the SEC in bowl games but there is a backlash because of the Cam Newton pay for play scandal and we don’t want Auburn to put a bigger black eye on the SEC

Old Gold

December 10th, 2010
12:45 pm

The kid is a thief and a cheat at Florida! He does not deserve any award! Character is a main stay in these awards and the kid has none! Only a dope would vote for him!

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
12:46 pm

Arlo

December 10th, 2010
12:44 pm
BAMA dude, I guess you are more in touch with denial.

Just not a believer in police states. None of the other member institutions should stand for a player losing his ineligibility for this particular offense. No money changed hands, no harm, no foul.

timthebrave

December 10th, 2010
12:47 pm

Normally I would root for Auburn against Oregon but I feel like if Auburn wins they will be national champs for about 2 years until the sh** hits the fan. Normally I root for all SEC teams in bowl games because it just makes the SEC look better

SoCal Dawg

December 10th, 2010
12:48 pm

As a die hard UGA and SEC fan I hope Cam nor Auburn are guilty of any wrong doing. If they are not I hope Auburn wins the BCS and Cam wins the Heisman. With that being said If they are guilty I hope they are both exposed as cheats. I would hope that the NCAA buries Auburn and the media crucifies Cam.

Driving Ms Dooley

December 10th, 2010
12:48 pm

@ Murphy,

just read the post on here and you’ll find plenty of haters from Georgia. Georgia fans have a chip on their shoulder. I’m a football fan. Been a Vol all my life but I appreciate when the game is played in a manner that’s exiting to watch. I respect good coaches and good players and I wan’t to see the SEC stay on top. If all of your SEC rivals go 3-9 where’s that gonna leave your team? It will be like BoysEasy State winning a sisters of the poor conference.

terry

December 10th, 2010
12:49 pm

Tony,
Emmert is a very smart person. His statement read like his was gritting his teeth putting the pen to paper. Even he knows this thing isn’t over once the truth comes out & people start talking, which always happens. People can’t keep their mouth shut, they will talk.
Regardless of what the media says/writes this story is not going away.
Every sane person knows what happened here & what Auburn did & those sane people now know it is going to get crazy as far as recruiting.
All you have to do now as a player is deny that you knew anything and the parents/associates get to laugh all the way to the bank.

Seriously?

December 10th, 2010
12:53 pm

After the BCSCG Auburn will be in Cam’s rearview mirror as he heads for the pros to make legitimate millions. When AU gets slammed with sanctions, will they still be all in drinking the cammy cam juice? Doubt it.

Don4654

December 10th, 2010
12:54 pm

When Chris Fowler asked Cam Newton if the report that he told someone at Mississippi St that “the money was too good at Auburn”was true ,why did Newton refuse to answer the question.If you are innocent wouldn’t you just say that the reports aren’t true.

Bert

December 10th, 2010
12:54 pm

Good show on ESPN tomorrow night – “PONY EXCESS!”
SMU Death Penalty documentary.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
12:54 pm

All you have to do now as a player is deny that you knew anything and the parents/associates get to laugh all the way to the bank.

Yep, all the way to the bank with the zero dollars they got for you.

Dr. Love

December 10th, 2010
12:55 pm

Newton – I did things the right way – WTF!?!?!

No punishemnt for Newton? Ludicrous

AJC says Newton best college player ever – What in the name of Herschel Walker are you talking about?

Is this season all a bad dream? I hope so.

easycharlie

December 10th, 2010
12:55 pm

Winning is all about money, and money is all about winning, and if the Heisman weren’t also all about winning, then they would consider good athletes on teams that weren’t necessarily in the top 10. Everthing else isn’t secondary — it’s not even in the picture.

The Truth Will Out

December 10th, 2010
12:55 pm

I’m personally satisfied that both Cam Newton and his Dad are low-life scoundrels and that neither Auburn, nor any other SEC school would have even considered having such an immoral person be a part of their team were it not for Cam’s outstanding athletic abilities.

Give him the Heisman — I don’t care. He’ll always be a scumbag in my book and nothing can change that. I’m just glad that I’m not an Auburn* fan who has to attempt to rationalize this BS within my own conscience. That would be almost as embarrassing as being a media talking head (cough cough) rationalizing it merely for my own best financial interests.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
12:55 pm

Don4654, guarantee you he said exactly what his attorney told him to say.

SEC Champs

December 10th, 2010
12:55 pm

I just love all the people on here regurgitating their “knowledge” about the Newton case when all they are doing is repeating talk radio rumor and innuendo. If the NCAA used the same “knowledge” as some of the posters here they’d probably have every NCAA school on probation. At this time Auburn is not under investigation. Tennessee and Oklahoma head coaches said that Cam Newton was not “shopped” to them, and that his recruitment was completely above board. Auburn has investigated (since July, 2010) and found no reason to worry about his recruitment at Auburn. This returns us to Starkville and MSU and the involvement of known sleazebag Kenny Rogers. He was the catalyst for any discussions of money I am quite sure (since everyone else is allowed to speculate and spit out supposition about what happened). When it became apparent that Cecil was going to push Cam to Auburn (um, a senior offensive line and offensive mastermind Malzhan, light years ahead of MSU and about an 90 minutes from Cam’s hometown), Kenny Rogers offered to help get Cecil paid. Cecil foolishly played along until either it went sour when Bill Bell couldn’t produce the money, or Cecil got cold feet and bolted. Either way there can be no question that Cecil displayed poor judgment, but there is zero, zilch, nada evidence, circumstantial or factual, that Auburn paid Cam to play for them.

I think Tony’s take on this is the correct one. Heisman voters are not charged with interpreting the NCAA rules as they think they should be interpreted – that’s left up to the NCAA enforcement and reinstatement divisions. They saw no evidence that Auburn or Cam played any role in any pay for play, and ruled accordingly. Should they punish a player for past sins, or because there’s some possibility that he might have done something wrong? And what of punishing Auburn when the story is really one state over in Mississippi? And before the thUGAns say “but what about AJ Green!!!!” – he got paid, by an agent. Period, end of story.

Too tough 44

December 10th, 2010
12:55 pm

Tony…i disagree with on this one…Cam knew what his dad was and is doing…thats a fact! And, I guess, you will just have to say to the fans…oh…yea, I knew something was gonna come of the scam, but, I choose to vote for him anyway….come on Tony…disappointing.

Dr. Love

December 10th, 2010
12:56 pm

hope that the NCAA buries Auburn and the media crucifies Cam.

Agree 100%

trey

December 10th, 2010
12:56 pm

Here’s an excerpt from the Heisman website:

“The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence and integrity.”

Does everyone understand the definition of integrity?

Where does a player who was involved in a stolen laptop, academic fraud (stealing essays), multiple traffic violations, and a play for pay scam fit into this definition?

He doesn’t.

So any heisman voter who ignores this very vital aspect of the history of the trophy is a moron who has no respect for the INTEGRITY for which the trophy exemplifies via its winner.

Driving Ms Dooley

December 10th, 2010
12:57 pm

Joe Schad has everyone believing that Cam is the worst kid in the world. Did anyone see the Chris Fowler interview? Their have been many players honored for all kinds of awards whose character I would question more than Cams.
I think Joe Schadd thought that this was his moment to break the big story that would win him all sorts of awards. He tried Cam in the media and ESPN let him do it. Why? Ratings. Ad dollars. It all comes back to money again and I’m not talking about Cecil this time.

If I had to rank Cams character among all the college football players I’ve been exposed to over many years, I would say that he’s easily in the top 50 percentile range.

He’s not driving a nice car or living beyond his means. And the NCAA isn’t going to find anything unless Cam calls them up and tells them that he remembers a conversation.

This guys season was phenomenal. But the Heisman stinks of regionalism just like the BCS so I really don’t care. Voting is for politics.

Uncle Ned

December 10th, 2010
12:58 pm

dawgster

December 10th, 2010
12:58 pm

I will just add that it is true that there is no proof at this time of his guilt, but if you throw out the scandal this season and base it on his past issues, the laptop at Fla, the allegations of possibly cheating, and i use the word allegations there at this point.. It would be hard to cast my vote for the award if i had knowledge of that…I agree with an earlier post regarding Tebow as a perfect example of what the award stands for…Yes you have to be good on the field, but in my opinion also how you carry yourself off the field…Whether anyone wants to admit it or not you can’t ignore some issues he had before going to Au…even without his issues this year that he may or may not be innocent of, you have to look at his record…I’m not against giving the young man another chance, anyone can make a mistake or additional mistakes and turn into a fine person, but at this point i don’t think you can ignore some of the issues he has had…With that being said i think he will win the Heisman award, but i’m wondering what the lessons that will be learned from this down the road…

The Truth Will Out

December 10th, 2010
12:58 pm

SEC Champs*

There… Fixed that for ya!

Dr. Love

December 10th, 2010
12:58 pm

offensive mastermind Malzhan

Sorry, I refuse to drink the the Gus-coolade. Didn’t they run him off from Arkansas?

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
12:58 pm

Driving Ms Dooley, I thought he looked like he was covering stuff up in that interview, personally.

MURPHY

December 10th, 2010
12:58 pm

Driving Ms Dooley,

Alot of fans are against Auburn-not just Dawg fans.I am not one of the haters.Im a UGA fan first then a SEC fan second.Heck I even pulled for UT this year whick I never have done.I cant pull against a Dooley.Dont classify all these haters as Dawg fans because you are wrong in doing so.Auburn and Cam as I stated earlier proved they are the best on the field not in the media!

ol' balls coach

December 10th, 2010
12:59 pm

To hear “Must Read” tell it – I don’t see how any other teams in the SEC ever get decent players. Surely no 4 or 5 star would go to Bama, UF or anywhere otehr than Auburn based on the theory put forth by Must Read. Sorry, but thats a stretch.

SEC Champs

December 10th, 2010
12:59 pm

@ Uncle Ned – the article you just posted uses an LSU blog post full of complete and utter BS as it’s primary source, but thanks for playing.

The Truth Will Out

December 10th, 2010
1:00 pm

@Driving Ms Dooley

If you’re a Vol fan, then I’m TrishaDishaWarEagle — and you know that’s not true!

;-)

MURPHY

December 10th, 2010
1:01 pm

ol’ balls coach,

Hmmm-who did Lattimore play for this year? Aubarn? I get your point.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
1:01 pm

Dont classify all these haters as Dawg fans because you are wrong in doing so.

Dang right. I’m an Auburn “hater” with every fiber of my being.

SEC Champs

December 10th, 2010
1:02 pm

@ Dr. Love – Malzhan and Nutt did not get along at all. I think Malzhan’s record this year speaks for itself. Of course it doesn’t hurt having Cam Newton plus 24 seniors and probably the best overall offensive line in the country. I suspect that Auburn will be 7-5 or 8-4 next year with all those seniors graduating and guys like Cam and Fairley headed to the pros.

Malzhan has been offered $3milllion to coach Vandy, according to the Nashville paper – apparently they find something worthwhile there.

AltamahaDawg

December 10th, 2010
1:02 pm

Bama dude, I am talking about about Bylaw 12.3.3. It was broken. Auburn is on record declaring that. Cam Newton’s own school declared him ineligible by NCAA rules. The establishing of intent was purely subjective, not by rule.

ARdawg

December 10th, 2010
1:03 pm

MURPHY

December 10th, 2010
12:30 pm

Joe Bob,

Im a Dawg and I think Cam should be the Heisman winner.I support what he and Au have done on the field.Off the field I have seen no proof of wrong doing. Save your UGA Fan remarks for the ones that you are sure are DUMB & DELUSIONAL! Im pretty sure SOME Auburn fans fit this catagory as well.

MURPH

Joe Bob would fit the delusional fan statement

MURPHY

December 10th, 2010
1:03 pm

BAMA dude,

Sorry forgot the Bammers. Hoe foolish of me to do so. lol

MURPHY

December 10th, 2010
1:03 pm

ARdawg,

Amen he does.

The Truth Will Out

December 10th, 2010
1:03 pm

@SEC Champs

Vandy would be a step up from Auburn. At least they lose clean.

MURPHY

December 10th, 2010
1:05 pm

The Truth Will Out,

Yes Vandy loses clean-Auburn doesnt lose.

dawgster

December 10th, 2010
1:05 pm

Trey..have to agree with you about integrity…it seems that is being overlooked, and i’m not talking about this year, i’m talking about his road to Au…The award if he wins just, and i expect he will just lost some of the prestige that it stood for..If you want to make the case that its only about the best football player, then no doubt Cam is the winnerr, but i thought the award had more meaning to it than that and i know you can’t predict how these winners will carry themselves in the future, but i can’t recall another player winning the award when as much info had been discovered before the award was given as there has been about Newton…but as of now the NCAA has declared him eligible, so you have to accept it, but what does that really say about the awared itself now…

SEC Champs

December 10th, 2010
1:06 pm

@ The Truth – I don’t remember Auburn losing any games this season. I remember lovely statistics like 49-31 and 28-27.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
1:06 pm

AltamahaDawg

December 10th, 2010
1:02 pm
Bama dude, I am talking about about Bylaw 12.3.3. It was broken. Auburn is on record declaring that. Cam Newton’s own school declared him ineligible by NCAA rules. The establishing of intent was purely subjective, not by rule.

Disagree. The key is “represent for compensation.” In this instance Cecil wasn’t representing Cam, he was pimping him. The difference? When you represent someone, they authorize you to do so and get the money while you get a fee for your services. In this instance, per the evidence, Cecil was to be getting money unbeknownst to Cam. Also, there is no evidence of compensation here in any form since no deal happened.

404

December 10th, 2010
1:06 pm

Barnhart = SEC W-h-o-r-e

SEC Champs

December 10th, 2010
1:08 pm

404 = SEC wannabe.

MURPHY

December 10th, 2010
1:08 pm

404,

You must be an ACC w-h-o-r-e?

ARdawg

December 10th, 2010
1:08 pm

FOR THE RECORD

I am not a Cam or AU hater. Cam has earned the Heisman on the field. To accomplish what he has done on the field and in the SEC (no less) is quite a feat/accomplishment.

However, There is a lot of smoke here on his integrity. Hopefully there is no fire and it is the haterz that have done this but, with Cecil in the picture I am finding that to be doubtful.

It would be a shame that one as talented as Cam be led astray by others, his own father included that might taint his Heisman trophy. A crying shame. Of course there are other allegations during his time at Florida that would cast more shadow

icallbs

December 10th, 2010
1:09 pm

The kid from Stanford will be a better pro and would be more than a worthy choice when considering the complete criteria for the Heisman. But, character matters less and less in society so Newton is a shoe-in.

404

December 10th, 2010
1:09 pm

Anyone else remeber when Tebow didnt even appear on Heisman ballots out West, a couple of years ago.

No one should be surprised if Andrew Luck wins when the ACC, BIG10, BIG10, and PAC10 all vote as a block against the SEC and Scam Newton.

MURPHY

December 10th, 2010
1:10 pm

ARdawg,

Im shocked Cecil wont be attending the Heisman ceremony. If that was my son-no way in HEll Im missing that!

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
1:11 pm

Murph, there’s also no way in hell you’d have done what Cecil did to have to make that decision.

How2fish

December 10th, 2010
1:11 pm

For the record I think Cam is the best player this year in college football period. I for now have not seen anything that leads me to believe Auburn has done anything wrong in recruiting the young man…I also see why some folks would have a problem voting for him for the Heisman but I think he wins it and it won’t be close. I won’t howl with glee if this FBI investigation brings out info that costs Auburn dearly. And make no mistake at this point ONLY Auburn stands to suffer going forward Cam will be in the NFL and swimming in cash but neither I nor most of the fans in the SEC will shed many tears for Auburn if it does..I hope it doesn’t happen I love college football and this would damage it nationally and the SEC specifically .

MURPHY

December 10th, 2010
1:11 pm

404,

Luck is a great Q.B-But in no way,shape or form can he out play Cam.

SEC Champs

December 10th, 2010
1:12 pm

@ 404 – Newton is projected to win up to 70% of the ballots. It’s likely to be the biggest landslide in history. Those in the media out there pontificating about what they will or won’t do with their vote because they are taking some moral stand would, if the kid was local, do as Barnhart has done and look at the facts that are available right now and vote accordingly.

I totally agree that there is regional and probably conference bias when it comes to voting, but when a player is as dominant and has as much impact on his team’s season as Newton did, he’s a shoo-in.

ARdawg

December 10th, 2010
1:14 pm

MURPH

I don’t think I could miss it either, “especially” if I knew my son was innocent and earned it (which imho, he did)

Cecil not going reeks of something, what I don’t know or won’t speculate

404

December 10th, 2010
1:15 pm

Poor SEC trolls. Just cant seem to handle the TRUTH.

Money ALWAYS leaves a trail.

And before next football season begins,
ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL the Truth about Scam Newton
will see the public light.

And the Scam Newton money-trail fraud will be exposed.

It took 4 years, but teh severe depth of the Reggie Busg fradu was epxose and it turned out to be MUCH WORSE than originally suspected.

In the not too distant future, Scam and auburn will be exposed too.

Driving Ms Dooley

December 10th, 2010
1:16 pm

Bama Dude,
I think he knew his dad was shopping him–yes. Will that ever be proven–very doubtful.

But can you imagine the distractions and the hate that this guy has endured while performing the way he has? I think its amazing that he didn’t choke up at some point.

As far as the laptop and the cheating allegations go. on the laptop, the charges were dropped. The cheating allegations are allegations.

There are guys playing in the SEC with DUIs on their record. With arrests for all sorts of things including resisting arrest and assault. For everyone to call him a scum bag is just piling on in my book.

Again, athletes aren’t choir boys. Especially SEC athletes. Cams offenses don’t even rank up there with other eligible players.

SEC Champs

December 10th, 2010
1:16 pm

@ How2Fish – thank you for not lighting a torch and picking up a pitchfork to storm the Plains. Most of the blabber from other SEC fans is that Auburn is going down, is going to get the death penalty, lose accreditation, etc. If they think this will somehow help their school or the SEC should Auburn have done something so horrible to warrant such a penalty, they are seriously mistaken.

I believe worst case scenario for Auburn at this point is that it turns out there is evidence that Cam knew what Cecil and Kenny Rogers were up to, and he’s declared retroactively ineligible for this season and Auburn has to vacate the wins. That would suck but at the same time, however he wound up at Auburn, he didn’t cheat once the ball was kicked off.

How2fish

December 10th, 2010
1:17 pm

I’m thinking Daddy Newton would pay 180,000 bucks to be able to be at the Heisman ceremony tomorrow evening…ironic isn’t it? A few months from now that will be chump change for Cam.

ARdawg

December 10th, 2010
1:18 pm

How2fish

I agree with you, somewhat.

I think Tony Barnhart is a media ‘Ho and is projecting his orders that Cam should win the Heisman. Barnhart also condoned the NCAA’s clearing of Cam so quickly and behind closed doors. I do not take umbrage with Cam and his accomplishments but the NCAA’s, AU’s and Barnharts actions is smelling of some sort of butt coverage cover up. It’s almost as if Cam and AU “HAS TO” win. Something is inherently wrong with that

Brian

December 10th, 2010
1:20 pm

The Heisman goes to the best college player in the country..CAM NEWTON IS THE BEST COLLEGE PLAYER IN THE COUNTRY..ENOUGH SAID..all of you talking character and morals..WELL JUDGES sorry he is human and your say so means nothing and as PMC said its not your or our job to investigate cases. One more thing he didnt get expelled from Florida, hell if Tebow wouldve left early the things he did would have been swept under the mat and he wouldve shined at Florida..but you know when it rains it pours glad CAM has on his rain coat for you HATERS!!

DwayneL

December 10th, 2010
1:20 pm

What happened to innocent until proven guilty?? I think he voted correctly.

Arlo

December 10th, 2010
1:21 pm

BAMA dude, using your logic, if I walk into a bank present a gun and a note asking for money, but for some reason I don’t leave with the money, I am not guilty of armed robbery?

bitter "dawg fan"

December 10th, 2010
1:21 pm

money may be the rule to all evil, that being said, INTEGERITY and MONEY have no place in the same sentence yaaaw, the allbuuurrrrn with there high light machine against oregon is just to much money to pass up over a integerity issue. and how much money is lost due to the hated RACE CARD which would have come flying out had scam been put on the bench, live just aint fair so just chose not to watch allburrn like me. they will be plenty of quality bowl games this year, PS this is how the NCAA will handel all cases in the future that might cost them 50 million if properly addressed, so the average ball fan only option is “JUST REFUSS TO WATCH OR SUPPORT ALBURN FOOTBALL

Steve

December 10th, 2010
1:22 pm

would like one of you “experts” to answer these simple question (and please with intelligent responses..not your hate and jealously)

1) how does one explain the situation that finds Cam’s father in a hotel room with two MSU coaches? Who initiated this meeting? very important point i believe.
2) who brought MSU booster Mr. Bell into the conversation? I think we can trust Mr Newton did not know Mr Bell, so clearly his involvement was initiated by MSU. There was no written agent agreement with Rodgers, or that would have been produced. And yet, Mr Rodgers contacted Mr. Bond (former MSU player), who supposedly contacted Mr Bell…Bond and Bell are clearly MSU supporters/officials. How does MSU justify on one hand..”We dismissed it” vs the above chain of contact?

My point is this, their clearly was discussion held that appear to be a potential violation…but where is the proof who initated this conversation..suspect NCAA could not determine, which left them with a “he said, she said”. From there, they would investigate the money trail..clearly to date, they have not found one..perhaps one will turn up, but from all accounts that we have, the Newtons have been forthcoming with all of their finacial records. clearly, from all accounts, Auburn has been fully cooperating.

At this point, the NCAA is left with simply stating,
a) a conversation btw MSU and Mr Newton took place, but we cannot determine who INITIATED the discussion.
b) we find no money exchanged hands
c) we find no Auburn participation
This left NCAA to determine that Mr Newton was in violation, whether the “shopper” or the customer, and that was wrong. So contact Auburn to give the findings, Auburn declares him ineligible, and this submits for reinstatement. NCAA reinstatement panel had no hard, solid evidence to know who initated the discussion, or that CAM was a participate. Seeing no hint of “acceptance” or “offer”…what did they legitimately have to punish Cam Newton?

Again, don’t just throw your hate at me…pls give me logical, well-thought out, reasonable responses.

Btw, I am an Auburn fan..but only because my son attends there…I did not, nor any other SEC school. Really just a CFB fan.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
1:22 pm

ARdawg you’re getting close to tinfoil hat territory now. The NCAA doesn’t and shouldn’t conduct its business in the public eye. They investigated and found what they found.

People seem to forget who the “NCAA” is. You do realize that the COI and COA are made up of school administrators from around the country, right? This isn’t the KGB here.

AltamahaDawg

December 10th, 2010
1:23 pm

Then Auburn was pretty darn stupid for declaring thier own player ineligible.

Here is the problem, you are arguing as if this were a leagal issue. (and othere as if it were a moral issue). It’s not, its a NCAA issue, and that is not subject to normal legal arguments. There no legal standards to be proven about “amateur status” in a made of game of ball. It’s club rules.

2 things:

-I would be willing to bet that if this entire episode were back in the summer, Cam Newton would have been sitting out at least one game, per the NCAA rule, all unfairness acknowledege and accepted. As it has always been.

- when the NCAA revises this particularr set of rules in the nest few months for future clarification, it will NOT favor a higher standard of proof for intent. It will be iron clad. And it would not retroactively worked out well for Newton. Skive has already stated in public that the SEC is going to remove “the gap” his words, in thier rules. I maintain there never was one.

The NCAA might believe they got it right, got it fair, this time. they probbaly did and they were in a really tough spot. But I’m betting that they are not going to even let this be an issue next time to be decided.

404

December 10th, 2010
1:23 pm

Comissioners of the BIG10, BIG12, PAC10, and ACC have all publicly
stated their profound shock and disagreement with the NCAA’s Scam Newton ruling.

Dont be surprised if those ocnferences “rally” their
“voters” to vote for someone else, likely Andrew Luck.

SEC Champs

December 10th, 2010
1:23 pm

@ bitter “dawg fan” – maybe while the rest of us are enjoying a very entertaining BSU National Championship game you’d like to watch replays of Cam and Nick Fairly neutering your Dawgs.

TMZ on at 7:30 comcast channel 804

December 10th, 2010
1:25 pm

Waste of vote – in my opinion.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
1:26 pm

Steve, I can’t see where it matters who initiated the conversation as long as Cam didn’t know about it and no money was paid.

Steve

December 10th, 2010
1:26 pm

Arlo…you would be guilty of “attempted” arm robbery. But, your son, who is a customer of another bank, would not be guilty of “attempted” arm robbery of his bank.

Driving Ms Dooley

December 10th, 2010
1:26 pm

The Truth Will Out

December 10th, 2010
1:00 pm
@Driving Ms Dooley

If you’re a Vol fan, then I’m TrishaDishaWarEagle — and you know that’s not true!

Ok Trish. You can tell I’m a Vol fan because I despise the Heisman (see Charles Woodson)(Also see: Ryan Leaf is second in the Heisman voting in the West)

So now that it’s out there, Yes, I’m feeling very good about our QB situation for the next 5, count em 5 years.
Tyler Bray averaged 308 per game in his 4 starts. He’s got alot to learn and alot of weight to gain, but we finally have some hope at the money position (Pun intended).
And now our new QB signee, enrolling in January–Justin Worley–was just named Gatorade National Player of the Year.

I know I know, we are not good. But we are certainly trending in the right direction and this time we’re doing it with a little more class than last time (see Lame Kitten-Vunder-Brat)

So I’m feeling good enough to agree with everyone today.

AltamahaDawg

December 10th, 2010
1:26 pm

Mr. Skive is the spokesman for Comm. Slive, if you didn’t know that.

Driving Ms Dooley

December 10th, 2010
1:29 pm

Steve,

I agree. Well said.

dawgster

December 10th, 2010
1:30 pm

ARdawg..good comments..i agree, don’t look at just this year, but look at his issues at Fla..from what i have read and seen, those are accurate, so i can’t see how you can ignore them…but the voters will. and there is no doubt that he was the best player this season…I’m afraid down the road everything will come out, however the NCAA may not want egg on their face and may not pursue it as they did with USC…This would look terrible for the NCAA if they uncovered something later and the reward had to be pulled again…

Jake

December 10th, 2010
1:31 pm

Is it too late for Johnny Majors to get it. Paul Horning stold it from him.

ARdawg

December 10th, 2010
1:31 pm

BAMA dude

Not the way I see it. Take the AJ Green investigation. It took months and after UGA declared him ineligible it took 3 more months to render a decision from the NCAA. Why? It took less than 24 hours for a decision from the NCAA on Cam. Something is amiss. Does the rules not apply for “the best” college player in the country?

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
1:31 pm

AltamahaDawg

December 10th, 2010
1:23 pm
Then Auburn was pretty darn stupid for declaring thier own player ineligible.

Here is the problem, you are arguing as if this were a leagal issue. (and othere as if it were a moral issue). It’s not, its a NCAA issue, and that is not subject to normal legal arguments. There no legal standards to be proven about “amateur status” in a made of game of ball. It’s club rules.

They did the whole “declare ineligible” bit as a formality because the NCAA notified them that a violation occurred during his recruitment. Turns out that Cecil and Kenny committed the violation, not Cam, so the NCAA reinstated him without conditions. And you’re right that it’s not a “legal” issue (though Slive is an attorney and you can bet the bylaws were written by lawyers as well), but it can turn into one via lawsuits if they don’t treat everyone fairly. And lastly, none of the school administrators who sit on the NCAA want to set precedents where players at their institutions could be rendered ineligible for this particular infraction, nor should they.

How2fish

December 10th, 2010
1:32 pm

SEC Champs I’m thinking the Daddy shopping Cam is a closed issue, however the FBI deal is ongoing and troubling just by who they are targeting and how deeply connected to Auburn they are. I hope you guys weather this storm, and I hope we beat you by 50 in Athens next season.

AltamahaDawg

December 10th, 2010
1:33 pm

Steve, that example is not even close. If Arlo’s son drove him from bank to bank, and told the police that he didn’t realize his dad was attempting to rob them, then perhaps that would fit.

Arlo

December 10th, 2010
1:33 pm

Steve, get your point, but if I had the money in my hand, but dropped it going out the door while my son was waiting in the get away car thinking I went in to make a deposit, then neither of us is innocent.

bitter "LARRY MUNSON"

December 10th, 2010
1:33 pm

TRADE alburn to the ACC for DUKE???? that secret money man at alburn will be exposed soon, all snakes come out of there holes after winter!!!!!!!!!!!! integerity will win out in the end. PS just let alburn football slide futher south out into the gulf and be at home with all the crude sh— !!!!

always a silver lining

December 10th, 2010
1:35 pm

Tony...

December 10th, 2010
1:36 pm

Does anybody really care about the Heisman anymore? The meaning of the award and it application separated long ago.. I dont think anyone really cares, except those who vote on it.. and those who have a chance to get it..

BILL CLINTON

December 10th, 2010
1:37 pm

I did NOT have sexual relations with that woman!

HEISMAN TROPHY IS THE REAL SCAM!

December 10th, 2010
1:39 pm

HEISMAN TROPHY IS THE REAL SCAM!

December 10th, 2010
11:13 am
The Heisman trophy is the biggest dud of an award given in all of sports. The trophy is supposed to go to the “most oustanding college player” for that season. In years past, the award has been given to many who were not the best for that saeson. Ron Dayne won the award based on his career stats at Wisconsin, not on his performance that season. Also, unless your team is playing in a BCS AQ conference, you are given very little chance from the start. It’s just like the BCS and the polls. It is all a popularity contest. The frontrunners are named before the season even begins. Also, it overlooks the defensive players in the game on almost all occasions. When was the last time a D lineman, LB,CB or safety were even considered a frontrunner? It is a sham! The award means little to nothing anymore…

AJ Green

December 10th, 2010
1:39 pm

I didn’t sell my jersey…..It was my Daddy……I didn’t know anything about it!…..I did things the RIGHT way!

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
1:40 pm

ARDawg, someone from the NCAA stated in the press that they consider cases on urgency based on the situation. Basically, the NCAA had already done their investigation by the time Aubie declared him ineligible. In fact, the NCAA’s findings are why they declared him ineligible to begin with, making the whole bit a formality and just keeping with procedure. In the AJ case UGA sat him while the investigation was ongoing- this was UGA’s choice and they made the right call. If he had played then they’d have had to vacate the one win they got without him and would thus be bowl ineligible. Auburn’s compliance department obviously felt secure that Cam would be OK in all this so they let him play through the investigation. Looks like they were right. Good thing or else they’d have vacated wins.

wolfman

December 10th, 2010
1:41 pm

He said in the interview that he and his father had never discussed the issue, even after it became public. Can ANYONE believe that?????????????

George Bush

December 10th, 2010
1:42 pm

Most of you are basing your opinions on the same things you use to vote. It is all a game designed to further enrich the good ole boys in power.The NCAA is a Money thing just like American politics is a money and power thing. If you want to be counted you have to get in that game and play it. If you have too much integrity…then don’t..The sooner the rank and file people in this country realize that they will be so much better off. Knowing and accepting how something works makes all the difference…..vote repub !!

always a silver lining

December 10th, 2010
1:42 pm

Driving Ms Dooley Again with the “everybody’s doing it”. defense. Please be more original next time. Semantics and parsing comments – lots of those on here lately. As usual.

misterwax

December 10th, 2010
1:43 pm

Tony,

“obstained” ??? WTF? When I met you a few years ago up in Athens, I would have never thought a UGA Grad would mistake the O for the A on the keyboard…. OUCH!!!

Go Jackets, at least we can spell.

Steve

December 10th, 2010
1:43 pm

Agree, BAMA dude…but the reason it may matter to some…is that most are assuming his father initiated it…therefore was shopping his son. I tend to believe that most want to condemn the father and therefore the son..which is a major leap. Let me propose a hypothetical conversation….btw NCAA and Mr Newton.
Q: Mr Newton, were you in a hotel room on x date with Mr X, and Mr Y?
A: Yes
Q: Who initiated the meeting?
A: They asked me to meet them to discuss Cam’s recruiting?
Q: Was money or gifts for Cam signing with MSU discussed?
A: Yes

and one can go on from there. Of course, MSU most likely would have a different version. Just this conversation, could have Mr newton is the wrong place, wrong time. So, technically he was wrong, but not neccesarily the initiating party.

I really struggle with the timeline…MSU continued to recruit him AFTER the hotel conversation?? I am really not trying to dump on MSU, but I cannot understand..IF Newton initiated this conversation, and MSU was absolutely NO..why continue to recruit. Why not immediately tell NCAA (did not tell until Jan, after he signed with Auburn)?

Joe Bob

December 10th, 2010
1:43 pm

Yeah, it’s UGA and Bammers on this blog stating that EVERYONE is against Cam and AU. That’s total BS and the Heisman voting will prove it. I wonder why the bammers and the leg humpers are so upset? Could it be that they’re still smarting from their loss to AU? Yes, indeed!

It must really hurt for you jealous fans from other schools to see Cam and Auburn reach the pinnacle of achievement in football. War Damn Eagle!

Arlo

December 10th, 2010
1:44 pm

Hey Bill Clinton, define “Sexual Relations”.

Shut It Down

December 10th, 2010
1:44 pm

JEALOUS! Get over it already. UGA was sub par this year. Bammers are mad because they were predicted to be a lock to repeat and didn’t. Cam Newton and Auburn played the best football of anyone in the conference and in the country so all the haters can EAT IT! Go ahead and whine some more, we have a Heisman and a Crystal Football to go and get. War Eagle!

tc

December 10th, 2010
1:45 pm

Tony, Are you a democrat?

MURPHY

December 10th, 2010
1:46 pm

misterwax,

I see you can spell? How do you spell Domination? It must have UGA in it for a Techie to spell it!

1-9 in last 10 against the Dawgs!

Corch Myer

December 10th, 2010
1:46 pm

SEC- the no snitch conference!!!

ARdawg

December 10th, 2010
1:48 pm

dawgster
If he is found to be guilty of anything at this point (after being cleared by the NCAA) it would be detrimental to all of college football

BAMA dude
Then why declare him ineligible at all? It makes no sense to the layman. Obviously the NCAA see AU could win the NC and Cam win the Heisman. It would appear that it coincides with Cecil’s admission more than with the NCAA’s investigation.

This thing smells really bad. The one with the most on the line is the NCAA. I’ll don the tinfoil hat with that statement. Cam and AU have the NCAA by the short hairs. AJ Green, Marceus and the rest do not. That my friend is the difference

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
1:48 pm

Cam Newton and Auburn played the best football of anyone in the conference and in the country so all the haters can EAT IT! Go ahead and whine some more, we have a Heisman and a Crystal Football to go and get.

He says, sitting in the corner kicking his feet and shaking his head violently as he plugs his ears with his fingers…

timthebrave

December 10th, 2010
1:48 pm

There are different levels of guilt
1. Circumstantial and logical evidence pointing to his guilt(good enough for me)
2. Physical evidence (good enough for the NCAA and courts)
3. All the evidence in the world (still not good enough for Auburn fans)

Right now we are at level 1

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
1:49 pm

This thing smells really bad. The one with the most on the line is the NCAA. I’ll don the tinfoil hat with that statement. Cam and AU have the NCAA by the short hairs. AJ Green, Marceus and the rest do not. That my friend is the difference.

Well, that and the fact that AJ and Marcell, y’know, actually GOT stuff.

ARdawg

December 10th, 2010
1:51 pm

Please someone, anyone, name one instance where the NCAA urgently ruled on anything in 24 hours?

Corch Myer

December 10th, 2010
1:51 pm

When was Cam telling the truth- to SI when he said that his father made the Auburn decision? Or to Fowler when he said HE made the decision- NOT his father??? He just forgot?? You think??? He also originally told Fowler that HE talked with no one at MSU – when Fowler followed up about communication with MSU he then said he called Mullen after the decision.

Driving Ms Dooley

December 10th, 2010
1:51 pm

Steve,

again good points on your hypothetical conversation. Taking it one step further, if I’m Mullen and I see a Florida area code calling, I’m ansering on the first ring. 1) becasue it’s a dream job. 2)if something smells in Starkville, now’s the time to be upwardly mobile. Or geographically speaking: laterally mobile.

AltamahaDawg

December 10th, 2010
1:51 pm

dude, CAM NEWTON was ths amateur. His father is not covered under any NCAA guidelines. A violation of Cam Newton’s amateur status occured. NOBODY is denying that. It doesnt matter if somebody else committed the voilation. It occured. CAM NEWTON is the only entity that matters. His status was the issue. The rules apply to him, not his father. You are talking about consequesnces, and punishment and fairness. That’s an entirely different matter. His punishment was “your family has some restrictions going forward”, and the ability to play in the football game was “reinstated”. Same as AJ, and darius.

TMZ on at 7:30 comcast channel 804

December 10th, 2010
1:52 pm

Hey guys…read the rule book…then get back to me why Camera is not ineligible.

ARdawg

December 10th, 2010
1:52 pm

BAMA dude
They got stuff and admitted it

You have information Cam or Cecil didn’t get stuff?

D@mn

December 10th, 2010
1:52 pm

The Tide and Gators were never this arrogant.That may be another reason so many people are hating the Tigers.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
1:53 pm

ARdawg

December 10th, 2010
1:51 pm
Please someone, anyone, name one instance where the NCAA urgently ruled on anything in 24 hours?

You’re missing the point. Again, Cam played while the NCAA investigated. AJ, Marcell, et al didn’t. Their investigation was concluded, allowing them to rule immediately.

Corch Myer

December 10th, 2010
1:53 pm

ARdawg Can you remember the last time they came out with a CYA release so soon after their original pronouncement?

MADDOG

December 10th, 2010
1:53 pm

Please, can we get a Georgia fan on here that knows how to spell?

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
1:54 pm

ARdawg

December 10th, 2010
1:52 pm
BAMA dude
They got stuff and admitted it

You have information Cam or Cecil didn’t get stuff?

Yep. I have their word and no evidence to the contrary.

TMZ on at 7:30 comcast channel 804

December 10th, 2010
1:54 pm

Corch Myer: Good points. Cam is a damn liar, just like his daddy, and au supporters.

TMZ on at 7:30 comcast channel 804

December 10th, 2010
1:55 pm

I have Cam’s word he would not cheat in school too. The guy is a scum bag. ADMIT IT.

404

December 10th, 2010
1:56 pm

If you Scam Newton fans have the guts,
jsut read this article regarding
Pastor Newton’s church:

Link:http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/24/sports/ncaafootball/24newton.html?_r=1

Oh, and be sure to pay close attention to the sentence:

“Ms. Blandburg, the church’s Chief Financial Officer, said the congregation was relieved to have the repairs completed but would not say how they were able to pay for them.”

So, the CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER, cant say just exactly HOW they were able to pay for ten of thousands of dollars in repairs in 2010, that the church had been UNABLE to pay for the 4 previous years.

Like I said: Money ALWAYS leaves a trail. And this money-trail and Scam Newton WILL eventually be exposed for the frauds they are.

Auburn knows its exposed. Thats why they went thru they charade of suspending Scam Newton. Auburn knows theyre going to get burned bad ly by all of this. Suspending Scam was a mea culpa admission of guilt.

It gives Auburn an alibi to say “Hey, we suspended him…just as soon as we found out. (Right after the Bama game)

Face it Auburn fans, NC Trophy o rnot, Heisman or not,
Auburn is going to pay VERY dearly for all this.

And, Scam will have washed his hands of all of this.

But in the end, Auburn will have DESERVED it.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
1:56 pm

AltamahaDawg

December 10th, 2010
1:51 pm
dude, CAM NEWTON was ths amateur. His father is not covered under any NCAA guidelines. A violation of Cam Newton’s amateur status occured.

Not true. An NCAA recruiting violation occurred. The NCAA determined that an eligibility violation didn’t. Two different committees, two different issues.

SEC Champs

December 10th, 2010
1:57 pm

To the folks saying how come it took SO LONG for the NCAA to rule on AJ Green but just a day on Cam Newton? Well, if rather than relying on blogs and talk radio you actually studied the facts, MSU reported to the SEC in January of 2010 that something fishy had occurred. They _DELAYED_ until July of 2010 to reveal the details of the situation to the SEC at which point you can bet the NCAA began an investigation. Auburn also began an internal investigation at this time because they certainly did not want to play a player who was ineligible (ask Bama and Gene Stallings how that works out). Because someone (Urban Meyer) decided that he didn’t like the NCAA conducting their investigation in private and revealed it to his good buddies at ESPN and NY Times, the NCAA was forced to rush this investigation. Yes, they have not closed the investigation, but this ruling indicates that they’ve given this a very long hard look and could do not expect to find anything else. It doesn’t mean they quit looking, or ignore pertinent evidence that falls in their laps, but for all practical purposes, barring new evidence, this is pretty much a done deal.

The FBI investigation has to do with political bribery and TARP funds. Yes there are a lot of Bama mullets making fantastical claims about what’s going to happen to Auburn, but please, consider the source when digesting such garbage.

m

December 10th, 2010
1:58 pm

Tony, you are about as pathetic as they come.

You are nothing but a BS–bcs shill, an SEC shill, a sCam Newton shill.

sCam wanted to go to Miss. St. Why did he not go there? Honestly, ask yourself why???

You know why. It is what he told all his friends. He wanted to go to Miss St but the MONEY was too good at Auburn.

Tony, You SUCK.

timthebrave

December 10th, 2010
1:58 pm

Yep. I have their word and no evidence to the contrary.

There is plenty of evidence just no physical evidence and not enough to convict or rule ineligible (at this time)

Driving Ms Dooley

December 10th, 2010
1:58 pm

I have a vote and I’m voting for Jim Bob Cooter

MADDOG

December 10th, 2010
1:58 pm

Auburn is 13-0 and headed to the national championship, right now favored by 3, with the Heisman trophy winner.

Georgia fans are BITTER because it’s Auburn. They can accept Tennessee winning but they hated that a lot. They can accept Florida winning because they know, as their record versus Florida shows, they’re not as good as Florida. They can accept Alabama winning because Alabama has always won. Alabama is the flagship of the SEC. They can even accept LSU because well that’s the house Saban built. BUT NOT AUBURN! Auburn is supposed to be beneath Georgia. Not towering over Georgia. They can’t believe what they’re watching and they’re so upset that they latch on to the Newton story while everyone else has put it to bed until something changes for exactly the same reason as TB said in this article – a) punish the kid based on no facts or b) award the kid based on the facts.

Everyone would chose B except for Georgia fans, home of Ben Jones who has cheated on the field and lost and AJ Green who cheated off the field and got caught.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
1:59 pm

The FBI investigation has to do with political bribery and TARP funds. Yes there are a lot of Bama mullets making fantastical claims about what’s going to happen to Auburn, but please, consider the source when digesting such garbage.

Yeah, ’cause Colonial Bank’s president didn’t almost cause Auburn to lose accreditation just a few years ago.

ARdawg

December 10th, 2010
1:59 pm

BAMA dude

Well please explain to me the logic of declaring him ineligible that late into the investigation and that late into the year in the first place. Green and Dareus we declared ineligible during the investigation. Not at the end of it.

I am not faulting Cam and Cecil here. You raised my tinfol hat and HaleBopp conspiracy theories. My only contention here is, something is amiss for the NCAA to have handled this matter in the manner they did.

Do you believe the NCAA told AU to declare him ineligible and we’ll rule immediately? Why else would AU do that at that juncture? If Cam is found guilty the season would have been lost anyway. If you are AU, you weigh your options and do as instructed by the NCAA

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
2:00 pm

timthebrave

December 10th, 2010
1:58 pm
Yep. I have their word and no evidence to the contrary.

There is plenty of evidence just no physical evidence and not enough to convict or rule ineligible (at this time)

Really? What evidence? (Hint: things reported by ESPN from “sources” aren’t evidence. Things said to the NCAA are).

Arlo

December 10th, 2010
2:00 pm

Cam Newton talked to Mullen’s wife concerning recruiting. Another violation that makes him ineligible. No money needed.

Article 13 (13.1.2.2) of the NCAA Division I rules manual specifies that spouses of coaches are allowed to be in contact with recruits during official on-campus visits and, under certain circumstances, during official off-campus visits.

Dan Mullen Wife Megan Is Permissible Recruiter For Mississippi State

As the spouse of Mississippi State head coach Dan Mullen, Megan Mullen is classified officially by the NCAA as a “permissible recruiter” for her husband’s football team.

Article 13 (13.1.2.4) further states that a permissible recruiter can talk to a recruit on the phone only “if the prospect initiates the conversation and the call is not for recruiting purposes.”

“It was probably one of the hardest decisions I have made in my recent life,” Newton said. “Not just telling him because we had a good relationship but having to tell his wife – Ms. Megan – that was one of the hardest things because I don’t know we had such a close relationship. _ Cam Newton

SEC Champs

December 10th, 2010
2:03 pm

@ Bama Dude – I agree, Bobby Lowder should get the same disassociation that occurred in the Albert Means case. Unfortunately he has surrounded himself with yes men. I sometimes wish he’d just hurry up, grow old and die since Auburn can’t seem to get him to go away. Perhaps the FBI can make that happen if they lied about Colonial to get TARP funds (think that’s what’s going on there).

At any rate, I find some of the tin foil hat theories posted and regurgitated by Bama fans to be comical. Sure, they’ve got inside knowledge on FBI investigations and what people are telling the FBI, sure they do.

MADDOG

December 10th, 2010
2:03 pm

Favorite headline from a few weeks ago:
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Fox News

#
Auburn Ignores Allegations and Steamrolls Over Georgia

New York Times – Ray Glier – Nov 13, 2010
And they could not have cared less, at least for the moment, what might come out of the investigation into reports that Cecil Newton Sr., Cam Newton’s …

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
2:05 pm

Well please explain to me the logic of declaring him ineligible that late into the investigation and that late into the year in the first place. Green and Dareus we declared ineligible during the investigation. Not at the end of it.

Again, those were university compliance office decisions based on what they knew. All three got it right. Turns out that AJ and Marcell were to be punished and Cam wasn’t.

Do you believe the NCAA told AU to declare him ineligible and we’ll rule immediately?

Pretty much. I think Auburn was 100% confident that he’d be immediately reinstated.

Corch Myer

December 10th, 2010
2:06 pm

I’m pulling for Oregon and the FBI!!!

William C Smith

December 10th, 2010
2:07 pm

I wish we would vote all sport awards on high moral standards. We first need to clean out the Baseball HOF. My first choices Ruth, Cobb, Mantle,and don’t even consider Chipper for induction. Pro Football HOF Simpson, Hornung, Namath, and don’t even consider Favre. Then start cleaning out the Heisman. Also, didn’t Lombardi cuss a lot. Lastly, maybe we can let the government invade our privacy. Then if your father or grandfather did something we can serve there prison time. This would lead us back to the good times in Nazi Germany. You where guilty until proven innocent, and the whole city was killed because of the actions of one.

bitter "LARRY MUNSON"

December 10th, 2010
2:08 pm

Fact #1 ga truly passed on recruiting scam for the reason he was a as— at fla and the current problems his family created at miss. st and allburn. Fact #2 newton was the top QB recruit not just from ga. but in the nation, and mark richt recruited him as a tight end, not!!! the ga coaching staff was the first in a long line of teams that were offered scam for money, richt and most schools passed, you dont think its funny ga didnot visit this kid after his first in home visit, he went off the radar and on to FLA and to ervin cryer myer, and after 22 in house violations he was sent packing and more tears from cryer myer, the smoking gun started with ga coaches staying far far away from scam newton after the first in home visit yaaaw. PS just how bad do you wont to win SAYS THE DEVIL????? REAL BAD SAYS ALLBURN

The General Feeling

December 10th, 2010
2:08 pm

The Heisman became a “no-nothing” award when writers chose a junior defensive back over a graduate and record breaking Peyton Manning. Since then, it’s only been about the field of play and a vote for Cam Newton solidifes that “college” no longer belongs with the award.

timthebrave

December 10th, 2010
2:08 pm

BAMA dude, His dad admitted to asking for money from Miss St. Cam has lied about stealing laptops, conversations he had, and cheating. If he didn’t know his dad was doing a pay for play then it would make sense to ask his dad what the fu** he was thinking risking his career, heisman, and draft position. The reason a normal person wouldn’t ask is because they know the answer. Not enough evidence to convict but enough for me

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
2:08 pm

My first choices Ruth, Cobb, Mantle,and don’t even consider Chipper for induction.

Why, because he nailed the Hooters girl? Might as well go ahead and shut the whole thing down.

Joe Bob Thibodaux

December 10th, 2010
2:08 pm

Tony,

after all the foregoing,

no one on this blog is suggesting another better player for Heisman.

JBT

Driving Ms Dooley

December 10th, 2010
2:09 pm

Arlo

December 10th, 2010
2:00 pm
Cam Newton talked to Mullen’s wife concerning recruiting. Another violation that makes him ineligible. No money needed.

Really Arlo?! Really? Dan Mullens wife? Really. That Cam Newton. Now he’s really done it. Get the noose.

Later.

Arlo

December 10th, 2010
2:09 pm

Cam broke Ms. Megan’s heart when he discussed his recruitment. The money is just too much at Auburn to play for MSU.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
2:11 pm

If he didn’t know his dad was doing a pay for play then it would make sense to ask his dad what the fu** he was thinking risking his career, heisman, and draft position.

If he didn’t know about it how could he ask about it? If you mean he should have asked after Cecil admitted it, OK, but that wouldn’t change the facts of his case.

Arlo

December 10th, 2010
2:11 pm

Driving Ms Dooley, she is a “Permissible Recruiter For Mississippi State”. NCAA violation dude. I don’t make the rules.

Driving Ms Dooley

December 10th, 2010
2:11 pm

One last thing. Does anybody out there think the Urban Meyer may wind up in Denver so he can continue his man crush on Tebow?

Steve

December 10th, 2010
2:11 pm

AltamahaDawg: So when you say…”drove him from bank to bank” you must be implying that Cam was in the hotel room? Interesting, MSU made no claim that Cam was present? The other “banks”, ie Oklahoma, Auburn, K-State, Tenn, have said that not only was Cam not present..his father did not present a robbery note??

MADDOG

December 10th, 2010
2:12 pm

You know the one thing you can’t escape since the news broke on this story is that Cam Newton’s story of “I did nothing wrong” has not changed nor been found by the NCAA to be wrong. Cecil’s public comments don’t match what the NCAA found but we don’t know what exactly happened as the NCAA hasn’t released any information.

Thus, going back to early November we know what Cam has said “I did nothing wrong” and we know what the NCAA said after a six to possibly twelve month investigation and that is Cam did nothing wrong and is free to play without condition.

And he did. 49-31 against UGA and 28-27 against Bama and then 56-17 for the SEC Championship. Wow, the best part is according to Georgia fans Auburn was supposed to lose to Georgia, Alabama and then South Carolina. So after winning all three why should I take anything else Georgia fans say is accurate?

HA HA HA. Excuse me, I must ROFL right now.

Arlo

December 10th, 2010
2:13 pm

The content and depth of this blog should be more than enough evidence for TB to understand that he not only voted incorrectly, but that he wasted his vote.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
2:13 pm

Arlo, you make no sense. How is it an NCAA violation to speak to a permissable recruiter?

ARdawg

December 10th, 2010
2:14 pm

BAMA dude

But the investigation isn’t finished. How do we know Cam isn’t to be punished? Could one reasonably suspect Cam will not be punished even if he was at best had knowledge or worse, took some money himself. Green and Dareus were punished after the investigation, not during.

Cam will be gone next year, there is no punishment for him. The fallout (if any) will be for AU, NCAA and college football as a whole. I don’t think for a minute with that on the line AU or the NCAA will declare themselves or Cam guilty of anything

Corch Myer

December 10th, 2010
2:14 pm

William C Smith Everybody is dirty eh?? So’s your old man eh??

TMZ on at 7:30 comcast channel 804

December 10th, 2010
2:14 pm

Anyone know if James Brooks, AU Grad, can read yet?

Dacula Gator

December 10th, 2010
2:15 pm

So let me see, he went to Auburn for tuition, room, books and fees instead of getting $180.000.00? Yea and Santa Claus is real.

MADDOG

December 10th, 2010
2:15 pm

timthebrave

December 10th, 2010
2:08 pm

BAMA dude, His dad admitted to asking for money from Miss St. Cam has lied about stealing laptops, conversations he had, and cheating.
—-

He admitted to cheating? I bet you $10 he didn’t and I have the video clips and articles from UF to prove it. Should we continue?

TBone

December 10th, 2010
2:16 pm

Go ahead and give it to the auburn boy so he can sell it on eBay or something because he ain’t coming back to play anymore at auburn. He got what he and Cecil were after. The Heisman has become as meaningless as the Noble Peace Prize.

kc

December 10th, 2010
2:16 pm

Heck of a player and deserving of award, but after watching interview with fowler how do these folks get out of school not learning to speak with proper verb tense……they used to drill it into our heads over and over?

timthebrave

December 10th, 2010
2:17 pm

BAMA dude, When they asked Cam whether he asked if his father was guilty of pay per play he said that he hadn’t but he knew his dad had his best interest at heart. Would you ask your dad what happened? After you found out would you be mad?

If he wasn’t already a proven liar cheater and thief I probably would take his word for granted

MADDOG

December 10th, 2010
2:17 pm

Dacula Gator

December 10th, 2010
2:15 pm

So let me see, he went to Auburn for tuition, room, books and fees instead of getting $180.000.00? Yea and Santa Claus is real.
—-

Well if you believe the articles on Cecil Sr. you are to believe he said it’d take more than a scholarship to go to Mississippi St. I don’t blame him, it’d take more than a scholarship for me to go to Mississippi St too. :D

But to go to Auburn? I’d pay to go to Auburn or you can give me a scholarship and I’ll give you a national championship and we can call it even. ;)

BTW, it’d take more than a scholarship for me to put up with Georgia fans, woof woof woof.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
2:18 pm

ARdawg

December 10th, 2010
2:14 pm
BAMA dude

But the investigation isn’t finished. How do we know Cam isn’t to be punished?

The investigation is over unless new evidence surfaces. They don’t investigate people, only allegations. And we don’t know anything, but Auburn’s compliance office apparently believes he’s clean.

MURPHY

December 10th, 2010
2:19 pm

MADDOG,

I think you are more obsessed that you beat UGA than any Dawg fan could ever be about Cam being guilty.As a Dawg fan I find you hillarious with all your spewing you do about the so called”ALL UGA FAN’S”! And this is coming from a Dawg fan!

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
2:20 pm

If he wasn’t already a proven liar cheater and thief I probably would take his word for granted

And there you have it. The NCAA isn’t going to consider anything that makes you believe he’s a “proven liar and thief.” They are going to take him at this word unless someone proves otherwise.

Corch Myer

December 10th, 2010
2:20 pm

timthebrave When the police came to his college room in Florida and saw the laptop- Newton’s comment was “I want to speak to a/my attorney”. Just your normal young kid’s response to the police right???

u a dam fool

December 10th, 2010
2:20 pm

I’ll take Column B

timthebrave

December 10th, 2010
2:21 pm

MADDOG
Have you ever been accused of cheating by a university 3 seperate times? Do you know of anybody else?

If he was not accused of cheating why did the lawyer threaten to sue the University of Florida for releasing private information. If it wasn’t true he would have just denied that Cam got accused of cheating

TMZ on at 7:30 comcast channel 804

December 10th, 2010
2:21 pm

Cam Newton: “I did what was best for Cam Newton”. A real Rhodes Scholar here.

Dacula Gator

December 10th, 2010
2:21 pm

MADDOG… Don’t get your point.

Corch Myer

December 10th, 2010
2:22 pm

The investigation is not over. It continues today.

Problem

December 10th, 2010
2:22 pm

He got your vote because you are hypocrite. What is today “Mr. College Football”, for against college playoffs?

MADDOG

December 10th, 2010
2:24 pm

TBone

December 10th, 2010
2:16 pm

Go ahead and give it to the auburn boy so he can sell it on eBay or something because he ain’t coming back to play anymore at auburn. He got what he and Cecil were after. The Heisman has become as meaningless as the Noble Peace Prize.
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You’re confused. In 2003 it was 9 Georgia players caught for selling their SEC championship rings and in 2010 1 caught for selling his jersey for $1000 to an agent.

timthebrave

December 10th, 2010
2:24 pm

When cops come to my door I throw my laptop out the window. I threaten to sue the university of georgia for releasing cheating records that don’t exist. My dad stabs me in the back and I don’t need to ask him any questions….

These are not the actions of an innocent man

ARdawg

December 10th, 2010
2:25 pm

BAMA dude

The NCAA stated the investigation was ongoing. When they close it they will celebrate it

Steve

December 10th, 2010
2:25 pm

Arlo

December 10th, 2010
1:33 pm
Steve, get your point, but if I had the money in my hand, but dropped it going out the door while my son was waiting in the get away car thinking I went in to make a deposit, then neither of us is innocent.

Arlo, by your example..What is the son guilty of? His father say’s, “wait here, going in to make a deposit”..wrong place, wrong time..but what is the SON guilty of? you will say “accessory”..and I will say, you are charging me of “guilt by association”.

Son, will be meeting with MSU officials today to discuss your recruitment. What did they say, dad….I don’t want to discuss it son? very plausible.

Again people, seperate the hate, jealousy. I will repeat, I am an Auburn fan, only because my son attends..not a die-hard, worshipper..just a CFB fan.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
2:25 pm

timthebrave, I think he’s dirty as hell but the NCAA ruled correctly.

TMZ on at 7:30 comcast channel 804

December 10th, 2010
2:26 pm

No, the NCAA did not rule correctly based on the rules as they exist today.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
2:28 pm

ARdawg

December 10th, 2010
2:25 pm
BAMA dude

The NCAA stated the investigation was ongoing. When they close it they will celebrate it

They are investigating the recruiting violation. Again, different committee. They have already ruled on eligibility.

Something Stinks

December 10th, 2010
2:28 pm

Here’s a partial list of AU’s Board of Trustees when all of this mess was supposedly going down:

Bobby Lowder
John CH Miller, Jr
Earlon C. McWHorter
Jimmy Rane
Paul Spina

Recognize any Names/Faces? Now look at the Colonial BancGroup Board of Directors the last full year of Operation December 31, 2007.

Bobby Lowder
John HC Miller
Jimmy Rane
Paul Spina – Montgomery, Al. Bank Chairman
Milton McGregor
Pat Dye

Soooooo, some of the same people who sit on the AU Board of Trustees sat on the Board of Directors for one of the most powerful banks in AL and had major influence on how both Booster funds and Bank funds were handled. Milton McGregor has already been arrested as the FBI’s investigation continues.

The worse thing that could happen to Auburn is the dimise of Colonial Bank, because the Feds took over and started digging to find out why and are slowly uncovering misappropriated funds. It’s a nasty spider web that will take time to sift through.

Auburn fans are correct in one sense the Feds ARE NOT investigating Auburn University, they are however investigating several high profile boosters and have already arrested one. Just wait until the heat is turned up and people start cutting deals to save their respective hides. This thing is FAR from over, but Auburn fans keep singing the “UGA and Bama are jealous/have sour grapes” song, but if I were you I’d be VERRYYYY nervous about what the Feds wind up uncovering in the end. Make no mistake about it when this is all said and done I’ve got a feeling it’s going to make the SMU thing look like a minor infraction.
Where there’s smoke…

Tell the truth

December 10th, 2010
2:30 pm

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5903485

I had no dealings with nobody from MSU during the time that I came to Auburn

You did not have converstaions with MSu about …..

OOps

Well the day that I ….. ( backing up)

I’m not hear to talk about reports ……

timthebrave

December 10th, 2010
2:32 pm

Bama dude
By the letter of the law the NCAA ruled correctly but they got off on a technicality. It sets up a slippery slope making the NCAA prove that the kid had to know that their parent was setting up a pay per play. Very difficult to prove unless you get a wire tap which is not easy to get.

TMZ on at 7:30 comcast channel 804

December 10th, 2010
2:33 pm

Something Stinks: Interesting analysis. Cam is most likely one of fifty plus player NCAA violations. Only time will tell.

UGA Insider

December 10th, 2010
2:34 pm

Everyone keeps wondering if Myer is going to Denver or somewhere else. According to news reports he is going to not only help find a new coach but have an office in the UF Athletic Dept! Is that weird or what?? I bet that will make the new coach feel secure, having Urban Myer’s office right next to yours……second guessing you at every move. You can now scratch any big-name coach from the UF wish list.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
2:35 pm

timthebrave

December 10th, 2010
2:32 pm
Bama dude
By the letter of the law the NCAA ruled correctly but they got off on a technicality. It sets up a slippery slope making the NCAA prove that the kid had to know that their parent was setting up a pay per play. Very difficult to prove unless you get a wire tap which is not easy to get.

Except that the parent actually getting money makes the player ineligible whether he knew or not. Where is the slippery slope? No benefits = no punishment. Sounds good to me.

TMZ on at 7:30 comcast channel 804

December 10th, 2010
2:35 pm

Well, Cam sure can’t keep his story straight. He seems to forget things.

Tired of Atlanta

December 10th, 2010
2:36 pm

Cam Newton deserve it and that’s it. When the other deserve it they will win it. GO Cam and when you’re in the NFL or NBA, tell them to kiss the a–………

MURPHY

December 10th, 2010
2:37 pm

UGA Insider,

Dont be so sure of that-Mullen will be at UF with his boy Meyer to assist in any way needed.

bitter "LARRY MUNSON"

December 10th, 2010
2:39 pm

NEWTON SURE PUT ON A SHOW THIS YEAR, lets turn back the clock a bit and give him a quality father who tought his son well and informed him early to support your home schools and always work hard and never LIE, scam would be called cam and would have went to collage at ga. or ga tech and excelled and still recieved a collage degree and top spot in the NFL draft and lots of money without all the negitive sh—- that now surrounds his family!!!!! as fate will have it just like reggie bush he will have a strange NFL experance, he to will be a bust. collage should not be about GUN FOR HIRE!!! the real CAUSALTIES here are ga tech where newton would have been a perfect fit. well you only get 1 chance and the newton family will soon be looking for a place up north to move, they have burned briges in fla, ga, miss and now ala, get the fu—- out of the southeast cheaters!!! PS what quality recruit would ever consider AUBURN FOOTBALL, can you say 10 YEARS PROBATION!!!

gdawginkalamazoo

December 10th, 2010
2:41 pm

MADDOG, have a Scooby snack and chill dude. I wouldn’t call 1 out of 4 towering over UGA. Hell I don’t think you will win next year because the one man team you have now will be in the wind. I am glad you guys are having a great year, good for you. As I have said in the past this would be a much better season for EVERYBODY if we didn’t have to listen to this crap that surrounds Auburn every day.

Tell the truth

December 10th, 2010
2:42 pm

I think Meyer is mentally unbalanced.

AU Alum 85

December 10th, 2010
2:43 pm

Kroger needs to stack up on cheese, because they could sell a lot to go with the whine from those fans whose teams do not have Cam. Cam was cleared by Auburn, the SEC, and the NCAA. No money exchanged hands. Cam did not go to the school where money was discussed. Cam did not know of the shopping. Auburn was totally innocent and did not hear of money. Money was not discussed at Tenn. or Oklahoma, who also recruited him. It only happened at Miss. St. These were the NCAA’s findings. And they cleared him. This clearance usually precedes the closing of the investigation. The finder of fact (NCAA) has ruled. Anyone that thinks they are still digging for more is dreaming. End of story.

IT'& ALLLLLL ABOUT THE MONEY!!

December 10th, 2010
2:43 pm

WELL GOOD FOR YOU,TONY!! WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS…………………HAVE YOU EVER VOTED FOR ANY OTHER SOCIOPATH BEFORE?!!!

gdawginkalamazoo

December 10th, 2010
2:44 pm

UGA Insider, yes Rich ROd had to deal with Lloyd Carr hanging around. I would be suprised if Meyer’s wife will let him have an office on campus.

timthebrave

December 10th, 2010
2:44 pm

BAMA dude, So as long as they aren’t caught everything is ok? Every parent would have free ride to ask for money for their kid. Just don’t tell the kid and don’t put the money in the bank…Check…check….

...

December 10th, 2010
2:45 pm

It’s funny, every year some complains that the award is not a career award but the best player of the year. Now people on this board want to talk about what happen at FL. Haven’t hard about laptops or papers this year so what’s the issue?

irish dawg

December 10th, 2010
2:46 pm

cam newton does not deserve the HEISMAN TROPHY, bad role model for kids and whole world. the TROPHY will be given up anyway.when AUBURN goes on probation.

casual observer

December 10th, 2010
2:46 pm

Cam Newton = OJ Simpson. OJ was proven innocent, but who really believes that one either?

Joe Bob

December 10th, 2010
2:47 pm

Why is it that only the bammers and puppies are on this blog deriding Cam and AU? I mean if you take out the bammers and leg humpers everyone else is pretty much saying, “Hey, let’s wait and see.” All of this speculation is just that – speculation. The NCAA and FBI deal in facts not innuendo like you bammers and pups.

...

December 10th, 2010
2:48 pm

You r right casual and the cops didn’t beat the crap out of Rodney King

Vince

December 10th, 2010
2:48 pm

This diatribe justifying your position only proves you are spineless and too weak to do the right thing. Cast your vote any way you choose but don’t waste our time trying to justify your weakness.

casual observer

December 10th, 2010
2:49 pm

AU Alum….what do you think that Tenn and OK would say? Oh yeah, they asked for money and I broke a NCAA rule by forgetting to report it? Geeze.

IT'$ ALLLLLL ABOUT THE MONEY!!

December 10th, 2010
2:51 pm

THIS COUNTRY HAS FAR TO LONG EXCUSED THE IGNORANT BEHAVIOR OF PEOPLE IN THE NAME OF STARDOM!!!!

MikeP

December 10th, 2010
2:51 pm

You DullDawgs need to get over the 49-31 beatdown and move on. The NCAA President and the SEC Commissioner, who know all the details of this case have ruled in favor of Cam Newton and Auburn. What little investigation is left is deciding whether John Bond gets included in the charges of extortion that are pending in Mississippi against discredited agent Kenny Rogers. The Newton and Auburn end of this is finished.

The allegations about Cam Newton cheating at Florida have been exposed as a lie. Here’s a link to that story.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/college/7294741.html

Note that this is from a real newspaper and the writer has sources with names and job descriptions, unlike the guy that started the cheating lie. He writes for a blog and claimed to have a single, anonymous source.

See ya’ in Athens next year and War Eagle in the meantime!

Jomo

December 10th, 2010
2:53 pm

If you honestly think, based on current NCAA rules, someone can shop around their son and send him to the highest bidder, you have no reason to be involved in this discussion. Obviously, your intelligence is in serious doubt. The reason Cam is allowed to play (aside from having no knowledge of the discussions) is that Auburn didn’t pay him either. You can’t shop your son around, because the second the school pays you, even if your child has no idea, the SCHOOL is in violation. There were 2 parts to the ruling. One says Cam was unaware, the second says Auburn was unaware. Why is this so difficult for you people to understand. Oh, and Cam has admitted to buying a stolen laptop. There was a lack of integrity when he bought it and threw it out the window, but it takes a man to stand up and admit that he was wrong. And there is no proof he ever cheated at Florida. The report that says he did, is based on “sources.” Thayer Evans is an idiot, and just likes to stir the pot. A real reporter asked people from Florida, with names, about Cam cheating, and not one of them was aware of that. In fact, there was a person who was on the committee that was allegedly getting ready to expel Cam, and he said Cam’s name was never brought up.
And Cam deserves to not talk about the things going on with his father. He knows now, but doesn’t want to bad mouth his dad on tv. He doesn’t have all the facts, so anything he said could be taken as half truth. He knows everyone out there is looking for a reason to insult his character, and the last thing he needs to do is speak out of turn.

Daddy Newton

December 10th, 2010
2:54 pm

How much will somebody give me for a nice new Heisman Trophy?

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
2:54 pm

timthebrave

December 10th, 2010
2:44 pm
BAMA dude, So as long as they aren’t caught everything is ok? Every parent would have free ride to ask for money for their kid. Just don’t tell the kid and don’t put the money in the bank…Check…check….

Yes, this is an enforcement problem, not a rules problem. The situation you described is already against the rules assuming money was received but not put in the bank.

Longhorn 1

December 10th, 2010
2:58 pm

Enter your comments here

AltamahaDawg

December 10th, 2010
3:01 pm

Bam dude, so you are saying that this release is incorrect?

“The NCAA announced Wednesday that on Monday, the organization concluded that a “violation of amateurism” had occurred. Auburn declared Newton ineligible on Tuesday, but requested to the NCAA that Newton be reinstated.”

MikeP

December 10th, 2010
3:02 pm

Jomo
December 10th, 2010
2:53 pm

“If you honestly think, based on current NCAA rules, someone can shop around their son and send him to the highest bidder, you have no reason to be involved in this discussion”

See, that’s what you’re not getting. The only bidder was Mississippi State, or Kenny Rogers acting on behalf of Mississippi State. Once you accept that, you’ll be on the same page as the Auburn Compliance staff, the SEC and the NCAA. Educate yourself a tad, then get back to us.

Arlo

December 10th, 2010
3:02 pm

BAMA dude, the call Cam made to Mullen’s wife to discuss recruiting is an NCAA violation.

Article 13 (13.1.2.2) of the NCAA Division I rules manual specifies that spouses of coaches are allowed to be in contact with recruits during official on-campus visits and, under certain circumstances, during official off-campus visits.

Dan Mullen Wife Megan Is Permissible Recruiter For Mississippi State

As the spouse of Mississippi State head coach Dan Mullen, Megan Mullen is classified officially by the NCAA as a “permissible recruiter” for her husband’s football team.

Article 13 (13.1.2.4) further states that a permissible recruiter can talk to a recruit on the phone only “if the prospect initiates the conversation and the call is not for recruiting purposes.”

MikeP

December 10th, 2010
3:03 pm

Sorry, JOMO. I got my cart ahead of the horse and posted before i read your entire comment. Apologies.

timthebrave

December 10th, 2010
3:04 pm

Jomo, And there is no proof he ever cheated at Florida.

Why would the lawyer on radio threaten to sue the University of Florida if it was found out they release information about his academic record? It doesn’t pass the logic test. Why threaten to sue over releasing information that doesn’t exist?

bitter "LARRY MUNSON"

December 10th, 2010
3:05 pm

REMEMBER “OLE SCHOOL” JAN KEMP who set ga. football back 20 years for cheating and getting caught, so auburn football now will have there 20 years of average football a coming yaaaaw, if you dont believe just look at USC this season, just after 1 year back to average. HELLO auburn fans wake up you FOOLS

AltamahaDawg

December 10th, 2010
3:05 pm

per the NCAA’s release: “Reinstatement decisions are independent of the NCAA enforcement process and typically are made once the facts of the student-athlete’s involvement are determined.

timthebrave

December 10th, 2010
3:06 pm

Point about the laptop is he didn’t step up and tell the police I received a stolen laptop…..He got caught…Very different

AltamahaDawg

December 10th, 2010
3:06 pm

From a student-athlete reinstatement perspective, Auburn University met its obligation under NCAA bylaw 14.11.1. Under this threshold, the student-athlete has not participated while ineligible.”

MADDOG

December 10th, 2010
3:07 pm

timthebrave

December 10th, 2010
2:21 pm

MADDOG
Have you ever been accused of cheating by a university 3 seperate times? Do you know of anybody else?

If he was not accused of cheating why did the lawyer threaten to sue the University of Florida for releasing private information. If it wasn’t true he would have just denied that Cam got accused of cheating
——

Sorry for the delay, some of us have important things to do but to your overall accusation and belief in the original Nov 9 Thayer Evans story that Newton was about to facing expulsion and that is why he left Florida:

1) Florida sources deny it: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=rivals-1150363

2) The source of Mr Evans article would have committed a felony in leaking the information, thus, this is a serious matter to which the University of Florida launched an investigation and said officially “We have zero reason to believe that anyone has leaked this information. (Newton’s academic records) But we have to take allegations of this sort seriously, and we’re looking into it.”
“http://www.gainesville.com/article/20101119/ARTICLES/101119294

To make this clear, Florida is basically saying his records weren’t leaked thus the story Evans made has no factual basis and you can call into question every word of it. Or you could believe he was caught for cheating, but it wouldn’t as the previous article said, brought him into a situation where he was facing expulsion.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
3:08 pm

AltamahaDawg, it’s not a matter of “incorrect”. A violation of amateurism rules doesn’t mean that a player is ineligible. Since Kenny Rogers was associated with MSU there was a recruiting violation resulting in Cam’s not being able to play…. at MSU. He has been ruled eligible. You can bet that, like the FBI and Mississippi SoS office, Kenny is the one they’re looking at now.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
3:10 pm

Article 13 (13.1.2.4) further states that a permissible recruiter can talk to a recruit on the phone only “if the prospect initiates the conversation and the call is not for recruiting purposes.”

Cam initiated the call to tell her that he was NOT coming to MSU, correct? Sounds fine to me.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
3:11 pm

AltamahaDawg

December 10th, 2010
3:05 pm
per the NCAA’s release: “Reinstatement decisions are independent of the NCAA enforcement process and typically are made once the facts of the student-athlete’s involvement are determined.

Just like I said, different committees.

AltamahaDawg

December 10th, 2010
3:11 pm

Where is any of that did you see where the NCAA determined that an eligibility issue never existed?

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
3:13 pm

AltamahaDawg

December 10th, 2010
3:11 pm
Where is any of that did you see where the NCAA determined that an eligibility issue never existed?

The part where they reinstated him without conditions. Thought that was pretty compelling stuff.

timthebrave

December 10th, 2010
3:16 pm

Maddog, That still doesn’t answer the question of why the lawyer would threaten to sue the University of Florida for leaking information that doesn’t exist. It doesn’t make sense to me. Why not say Cam was never caught cheating so we know UF didn’t leak information about cheating. Either he has a really bad lawyer that doesn’t know if he was cheating or he was trying to protect Cam by saying nobody should know if Cam was cheating because academic records are protected…No logic in it

cayden

December 10th, 2010
3:18 pm

i think cam should win it

MADDOG

December 10th, 2010
3:19 pm

Joe Bob

December 10th, 2010
2:47 pm

Why is it that only the bammers and puppies are on this blog deriding Cam and AU?
—–

I don’t think Alabama folks are really a part of this, and if they are, it’s a very small number. This is a Georgia issue. BTW, whoever was upset about the comment that Georgia fans are bitter because Auburn isn’t supposed to be towering over them because in Georgia fans minds Auburn is beneath them, how about this: Auburn #1 in the SEC with an 8-0 record, Georgia 3-5 and tied for 8th in the SEC this year. Auburn is #1 in the country, Georgia is not ranked nor close to being ranked. Hence the comment. Sure Georgia won 4 out of the last 5, but in the last three seasons excluding, well, up to the second half of the Iron Bowl that Auburn that Alabama didn’t tower over Auburn? Alabama had lost 8 of the last 11 Iron Bowls. Georgia and Auburn are tired in wins over the last 12 and 20 years.

AltamahaDawg

December 10th, 2010
3:22 pm

yes , right. different committees. The one that found that a recruiting voilation had occured rendering his amatuer status ineligible, of which Auburn agreed. Of which there is not one written statement of dispute.

And then the committee that oversees the “reinstatement” appeal that determine how the concequenses are handled.

jodie

December 10th, 2010
3:24 pm

If MISS wouldn’t pay to get him, AUB must have. You can be sure daddy wouldn’t let him play for free. Somoebody at AUB came up wit da money! And the Heisman is ALL about character and integrity. This guy has neither.

timthebrave

December 10th, 2010
3:25 pm

Maddog, every year they talk about ga vs auburn being a good close rivalry and it is. I just wouldn’t hang my faith on Cam Newton if I was an Auburn fan. My opinion that’s all

AltamahaDawg

December 10th, 2010
3:25 pm

AJ was also “reinstated”. Did he commit a rules voilation? Was he ineligible? Was the NCAA declaring that no eligibility issue existed by reinstate him?

MADDOG

December 10th, 2010
3:29 pm

timthebrave

December 10th, 2010
3:16 pm

Maddog, That still doesn’t answer the question of why the lawyer would threaten to sue the University of Florida for leaking information that doesn’t exist. It doesn’t make sense to me. Why not say Cam was never caught cheating so we know UF didn’t leak information about cheating. Either he has a really bad lawyer that doesn’t know if he was cheating or he was trying to protect Cam by saying nobody should know if Cam was cheating because academic records are protected…No logic in it

—-
Leaking records is a felony. I’d sue too but I never saw his lawyer say anything other than “I’d like to talk to Florida.”

This was from the first article I linked too:
Two independent sources with detailed knowledge of the UF academic discipline system during the period in question have disputed the Evans story. According to the sources, no allegations of academic impropriety regarding Cam Newton were sent to the Florida Student Conduct Committee at any time either during or after Newton’s time at UF.

Here is another:
“Cam Newton’s grades and academic standings at the University of Florida are protected matters. And to the extent that the University of Florida has violated a federal statute, I have some understanding of what the University of Florida’s address is and at some appropriate time they’ll hear from me,” said Lawson (Newton’s lawyer).

Janine Sikes, Department of Public Affairs spokeswoman at the University of Florida said “we are not aware of any records leak here at the University of Florida. Any allegations that someone leaked federally protected student information is of significant concern to us and we are investigating it.”

Lawson did not answer Winne’s question about possible legal action.

“I’m not suggesting what it will be, but the University of Florida will hear from me. If the University of Florida has disclosed unlawfully Cam’s personal and private records then I will be talking to the University of Florida about that,” said Lawson.

“Were the reports about his academic situation there accurate?” Winne asked.

“No. there not accurate,” responded Lawson.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
3:31 pm

AltamahaDawg

December 10th, 2010
3:25 pm
AJ was also “reinstated”. Did he commit a rules voilation? Was he ineligible? Was the NCAA declaring that no eligibility issue existed by reinstate him?

No, they determined that he had to pay back what he got and sit out a suspension in order to be eligible. Otherwise, yes, he was ineligible.

timthebrave

December 10th, 2010
3:35 pm

Maddog, ok. you convinced me. Just a thief and a liar. He’s not a cheat

timthebrave

December 10th, 2010
3:36 pm

maddogg, hang your faith on Cam…I’m sure nothing bad could happen from that

MADDOG

December 10th, 2010
3:38 pm

timthebrave

December 10th, 2010
3:25 pm

Maddog, every year they talk about ga vs auburn being a good close rivalry and it is. I just wouldn’t hang my faith on Cam Newton if I was an Auburn fan. My opinion that’s all
—-

On a scale of 0-10, 10 being the highest. The news Newton was cleared by the NCAA is a 10, the news his dad was guilty is a 0, thus this whole thing is a 5. A perfect 10 for the story would be that Cecil was offered money by MSU boosters and turned it down and tried to go around them to keep talking to MSU until he was so angry with MSU he said screw you and “son, stay away from that place, go to Auburn.” That’s a 10.

However, you can’t change the fact that the NCAA brought this to the point of having Auburn declare him ineligible and then declare him eligible without conditions means according to the evidence he and Auburn are clear. And if insiders are to be believed given all of the evidence and leads that exist today, this is over.

Spike

December 10th, 2010
3:42 pm

I wonder if he will throw the Heisman Trophy out the window if they try to take it back from him? That is kind of his style.

Kenny Powers

December 10th, 2010
3:45 pm

@ Spike

hehe. Cam ran over your team.

John

December 10th, 2010
3:45 pm

Now is time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.

Spike

December 10th, 2010
3:49 pm

@Kenny.. HeHe, yea, but the kid is a slug. Don’t believe me? Ask the guy who owned the stolen laptop, the Gainesville Police about his driving pattern, and UF about his academic prowess and honesty while enrolled there.

The Truth Will Out

December 10th, 2010
3:49 pm

But not this year. That would be a tad too expensive. Asterisks after the fact are the more cost-effective remedy.

Thuga

December 10th, 2010
3:52 pm

Dawgs are crybaby losers, plain and simple. They would rather piss in the punch than have someone other than their angelic choir boys receive attention much less an award.
They played Auburn and should have remembered running all over them until Cam said BOO! and they ran back to the dog house.
Shut your face until you can back it up doggies. (30 years and counting)

Peace out!

The Ole Ball Coach

December 10th, 2010
4:02 pm

LOL – Enought proof below for me.

1. Cam is a Thief – Facts is Cam was charge with stealing a Laptop and threw it out the dorm
window when the cops arrived
2. Cam is a Cheat – Fact Cam was caught in academic fraud three times at Florida.
3. Cam does not respect the Law – How many traffic violations @ Florida 13 or so in less
than a year.
4. Cam took the money and is he even actually attending classes at Auburn? Auburn has a long history of cheating i.e. paying players, Auburn police turn their heads, and Auburn loves academic cheating…. just a way of life.
5. Now the media who know better is condoning it . Tony you should know better….and I suppect you really do.

Tony Barnyard

December 10th, 2010
4:06 pm

No way this guy deserves anything that rewards his season. He cheated. End of story.

Something Stinks

December 10th, 2010
4:07 pm

Look people, the NCAA wasn’t going to find anything out right now. All of this will come out in a couple of years like with USC. They couldn’t afford NOT to have Auburn and Cam playing for the MNC. Even if SC had upset Auburn, they would have gotten in the game. Too much $$$ involved in the BCS and television.

No one wanted to see an Oregon vs TCU national champinoship game. If you don’t think people Oregon and Auburn wouldn’t have gotten some favorable calls in their last games had any been close you’re fooling yourselves.

If Auburn and Oregon had lost the powers that be would have been staring down the barrel at a TCU vs Stanford/Wisc. NC game. If you think there was ANY way they were going to allow that to happen you’re crazy. They’ve already seen that with enough time people really don’t care if a team is stripped of their title. ex.USC.

So why would they throw away major $$$ today to do what’s right, when they can simply do it in a couple of years and make the money today.

Could you imagine if all the USC crap had come out BEFORE the Texas/USC game? That was arguably one of the best NC games ever.

College Football has hit the big time with huge $$$ tv deals and no one is going to allow a few broken rules to ruin that. It’s the harsh reality. Between small market deals, CBS, and ESPN the SEC ALONE has over a Billion yes a Billion dollars in tv rights and contracts. Those networks made those deals because they know what kind of advertising revenue they can generate. Imagine them having to go to Gillette or Pepsi or Coke and sell prime ad time at a premium with a TCU vs Oregon/Stanford or Wisc. Wasn’t going to happen folks. No way no how.

They will make the money today,and correct it tomorrow. Expect this to go on with the big $$$ at stake.

bob

December 10th, 2010
4:13 pm

Joe Cox was robbed last year, so Cam will bring it back home to the ATL.

The Truth Will Out

December 10th, 2010
4:14 pm

Something Stinks,

You nailed it, and yet it is also true that there is inadequate time to properly complete the investigation prior to the end of the season. The question that cannot be asked is why it took so long to begin the investigation.

gdawginkalamazoo

December 10th, 2010
4:14 pm

“Asterisks after the fact are the more cost-effective remedy.”

EXCELLENT line!

Thuga

December 10th, 2010
4:26 pm

The Truth Will Out

Investigation has been going on since January. How long do you need crybaby.

Attention Losers:

If you will spend more time worrying about your own “boys” maybe your team wouldn’t stink so bad.
Always an excuse. Cry Cry Cry!!! (I think that is the new UGA fight song)
2 things are missing in college football:

Smarts (just enough to play ball not go to classes)

Mental Toughness

UGA Football = Offense – 3 smart guys and 4 tough guys
Defense – 2 smart guys and 5 tough guys

Never a winning combination.

Peace out!

gdawginkalamazoo

December 10th, 2010
4:30 pm

“……the SEC ALONE has over a Billion yes a Billion dollars in tv rights and contracts….”

You know who else has over a billion dollars? Phil Knight. An investor in the Oregon athletic dept.
This game will be Phil Knight v. Bobby Lowder. Uh-oh.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
4:40 pm

gdawginkalamazoo

December 10th, 2010
4:30 pm
“……the SEC ALONE has over a Billion yes a Billion dollars in tv rights and contracts….”

You know who else has over a billion dollars? Phil Knight. An investor in the Oregon athletic dept.
This game will be Phil Knight v. Bobby Lowder. Uh-oh.

I’m telling you, gdawg. Forget Cammy Cam and his juicing- the words “Bobby Lowder under FBI investigation” should have the Barn nation shaking in their shoes right now. That could cost them everything.

The Truth Will Out

December 10th, 2010
4:42 pm

Thuga

December 10th, 2010
4:26 pm

“The Truth Will Out

Investigation has been going on since January. How long do you need crybaby.”

I am not conducting the investigation, therefore I need no time.

“Attention Losers:

If you will spend more time worrying about your own “boys” maybe your team wouldn’t stink so bad”

I do not have a team. I am merely an interested observer.

Something seems to be bothering you. You speak as if you are disoriented.

gdawginkalamazoo

December 10th, 2010
4:46 pm

BAMA dude, I’m not really worried about Cam. Maybe he didn’t know, good possibility that Auburn did absolutely nothing wrong in his signing either. The bank failure and surrounding investigations will be interesting to watch. The wire taps will be hilarious.

Congratulations

December 10th, 2010
4:52 pm

8:39 am Wins Best of Blog honors.

The Grand Prize is a free breakfast of green eggs & ham.

:-)

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
5:01 pm

Will be rich, gdawg.

“Uh, huh is theeyus Milton? Hay Milton, Bobby heah. Listen, that colohed boah we found up in Sprang-dayul Ar-KAN-saw is tellin me his ATM cahd ain’t a-workin. Is thayah somebodda ah can cawl abyout that?”

robdawg

December 10th, 2010
5:02 pm

Scam is a joke. Your column is a joke.

When the @#$% hits the fan, Auburn will get exactly what they deserve and Scam will be getting paid by someone else.

This kid could not spell character but I bet he could pay someone to spell it for him. Or maybe he could steal a dictionary and pay someone to look it up for him.

DodgerDAWG

December 10th, 2010
5:04 pm

Tony, You make a very good arguement on why, but the SEC does have a bylaw which would have declared Cam Newton inelligible to participate in SEC intercollegiate sports that everyone seems to be overlooking. I am sorry that our commissioner has taken the low road to boost the chance at another Heisman and National Champion for the conference to say theat there was no “agreement to receive” between Cecil Newton and MSU. The offer of Cam Newton playing at MSU made by his father to MSU was the agreement prior to an offer being made. Bottom Line, is Cam the best athlete in college football today? Yes. Should he be recognized? No. He participated in intercollegiate sports while he should have been declared inelligible by the SEC. Cam’s fault? No, we will lay this one on Mike Slive for failure to take action back in January, but facts are still facts.

crackbaby

December 10th, 2010
5:06 pm

Tony – I finally might have to agree with the yocals that call you a homer (in this case an SEC homer). In quoting Cam’s stats, where were you in 2006 when Colt Brennan:
had a passer rating of 182.8,
72 percent completion rate,
passed for 58 TDs and
by the way rushed for 366 yards and 5 more TDs.

Don’t drink the CW kool-aid and dismiss these performers as “system” QBs or RBs or whatever. By the way, Colt was dismissed from D-I football, paid his price and made it a point to contribute to his community while still leading his team.

Oregon would love for Cam to win the Heisman and spend the next few weeks listening to all the praise heaped upon him. Then the Ducks and L. James would be primed for the real prize – the TEAM championship.

Unfortunately, the Heisman trophy embodies the worst qualities of college football becuase it’s largely driven by meathead sports journalists. Like the guy who asked if Mickey Mantle’s liver donor is still alive….

end of rant

Ted Striker

December 10th, 2010
5:11 pm

Dancing with the Stars and Bristol Palin has nothing to do with this.

Nate the Great

December 10th, 2010
5:24 pm

Do you think he will have “The Decision” when he goes to the next level? He is a mini-Lebron, hands down the best athlete, but a complete pompous, egomaniacal jerk!! How long do you think until he starts to refer to himself in the third person?

But, he will be the athlete to introduce the Spread offense to the NFL. sCam is an absolute gifted FREAK at QB. Kinda like Ben Rothlesberger though, it doesn’t and won’t excuse his jacka$$ tendencies.

AltamahaDawg

December 10th, 2010
5:36 pm

ONCE again bama dude, you are confusing the appropriate punishment because of intent with the existence of a rule.

Chuck

December 10th, 2010
5:37 pm

Auburn – the SMU of 2010 !!

Check out the documentary “Pony Excess” on ESPN Saturday evening.

SWGADAWG

December 10th, 2010
6:05 pm

Because you sold your soul to the NCAA ?????

Steve

December 10th, 2010
6:10 pm

There you go…”timthebrave”….and where is your proof he is a liar? pls go back and read some of my earlier postings and present a logical, well-reasoned answer. surely you are more than simply a jaded dawg fan.
Regarding the thief…he was in possession of a stolen laptop..so given your “opinion” that he is a liar, I am assuming you do not believe his story.

dawg

December 10th, 2010
6:10 pm

gdawg& Bama dude, you two seem to be among the few educated and intelligent people posting. Do you think the barn guys are exhibiting such anger because deep down they are shaking in their boots?

UGASlobberknocker

December 10th, 2010
6:10 pm

I hate those obstinate abstainers

asterisk

December 10th, 2010
6:14 pm

Sammy Sosa*
Mark McGwire*
Barry Bonds*
2004 USC Trojans*
Reggie Bush Heisman*
2010 Auburn Tigers*
Cam Newton*

Savannah Dawg

December 10th, 2010
6:35 pm

Tony-

Can’t you read…….it says integrity. Cam Newton had none when he left the University Of Florida. It doesn’t matter if he knew about Cecil or not. He still has no integrity.

Henry A45

December 10th, 2010
6:39 pm

Is anyone investigating the NCAA, or Slive? It seems like they have been bought too.

Thomas

December 10th, 2010
6:46 pm

If you give Cam a lie detector test 25 times, I say he fails it all 25 times.

Richard the 6th

December 10th, 2010
6:54 pm

Why has there been no TV interviews with Cam’s agent, Kenny Rogers? I’d like to see what he looks like, and watch his facial reactions when he answers tough questions.

Bama Dude Is A Gomer

December 10th, 2010
7:04 pm

The incredible research and investigation done by blueTunaTiger at the LSU site Tiger Droppings

Yeah an LSU blogger did “incredible research” for a story that has since been discredited as a bunch of garbage. LOL

Bama Dude Is A Gomer

December 10th, 2010
7:06 pm

When the NCAA Infractions Committee released its sentence of scholarship cuts and bowl bans for University of Alabama football on Friday, its chairman Thomas Yeager said: “They were absolutely staring down the barrel of a gun,” insisting his committee strongly considered the death penalty.

These violations were the worst his panel had ever heard, which is interesting, because Thursday, the committee released its report on Kentucky’s football scandal and — surprise, surprise — those were among the worst the panel had heard for years.

All the NCAA committee confirmed is that Alabama boosters paid a Memphis high school coach $115,000 to steer an defensive lineman to Tuscaloosa. All they confirmed is Kentucky paid $1,400 to another high school coach in Memphis, presumably just to recruit his kids.

Good lord, $115,000 for an defensive lineman? Are you kidding? It leaves you wondering what quarterbacks and running backs cost in the SEC. And if a Kentucky coach allegedly could gather these funds just to soften up a high school coach, what price were they paying to actually get kids?

For Kentucky’s athletic department, this is the sixth major probation sentence in the sixth consecutive decade. For Alabama football, this is third hearing before the infractions committee in six years — and the second time they were found guilty of major infractions. Those payments were just the sexiest in a long list of violations. Ultimately, this is the price of business in the SEC, where big-time cheating for big-time sports is all but written into the school charters.

Bama Dude Is A Gomer

December 10th, 2010
7:07 pm

For Alabama football, this is third hearing before the infractions committee in six years — and the second time they were found guilty of major infractions. Those payments were just the sexiest in a long list of violations.

When the NCAA Infractions Committee released its sentence of scholarship cuts and bowl bans for University of Alabama football on Friday, its chairman Thomas Yeager said: “They were absolutely staring down the barrel of a gun,” insisting his committee strongly considered the death penalty.

Malvern

December 10th, 2010
7:14 pm

Did anyone else notice Cam’s face when he refused to answer the question last night, as to whether he had made the statement to MSU that he could not come to MSU because the money was too good? Refusing to answer is the only way Cam can keep from lying. What a sad story.

Tell the truth

December 10th, 2010
7:23 pm

Bama Dude Is A Gomer Auburn has been penalized for major infractions 6 SIX times by the NCAA- tied for the 2nd most times of all schools in the NCAA.

Tell the truth

December 10th, 2010
7:25 pm

JABA JABA JABA READ IT AND WEEP BARNERS.

MITCH

December 10th, 2010
7:26 pm

I thought it was interesting that the City of Newnan said that the NCAA has never even asked to take a look the City’s records of Cecil’s church. NCAA is such a joke. You’d think we might even get a story from the AJC about Cecil’s church. Newnan isn’t that far away.

Bring back the good old days when there were reporters that had brains and backbones.

irish dawg

December 10th, 2010
7:27 pm

CAM NEWTON THE HIGHEST PAID HEISMAN WINNER!!!!!!!

Tell the truth

December 10th, 2010
7:30 pm

MITCH Let’s see- 4 years to investigate Bush. 4 weeks to investigate Cam- sounds about right!!
I always love to hear what Massa Slive has to say about protecting the integrity of his beloved SEC.

Freddy411

December 10th, 2010
7:33 pm

NCAA really fumbled, with their ruling that will basically encourage other Dad’s to shop their sons. There appears to be no consequences at all for shopping, so why not SHOP?

Slam Dunk

December 10th, 2010
7:40 pm

Isn’t anyone willing to do some investigative reporting?

AU = Asterisk University

December 10th, 2010
7:47 pm

Matt

December 10th, 2010
7:50 pm

How does the NCAAs ruling create a slippery slope?? Yea it opens the door to the kid being eligible if he didnt know about a parents shopping him around, but thats why we have sanctions to punish schools that except those offers. Cecil Newtons offer was rejected thus forcing Cam to go to Auburn cleanly in fear of a whistle blower at MSState. No money exchanged hands at State or Auburn so a minor infraction took place that had no effect on Cam, only his father and Kenny Rogers involvement at the respected institutions. The media really made a mountain out of a mole hill with this scandal.

Go Jaguars!!

Davidson

December 10th, 2010
7:50 pm

What will be the timing for the Sanctions? I agree with most that the NCAA will not lift a finger till sometime in the Spring.

Cliff

December 10th, 2010
7:52 pm

Tony, please read the Heisman Mission Statement! Cam does not exhibit the pursuit of excellence with integrity. Yes, Cam is probably the best college football player this year, but he certainly does not exhibit integrity. No way can one believe that Cam did not know that his father was soliciting $$ in the recruiting process. Cam had a very unfavorable short career at UF what with the theft of a laptop and cheating on exams. Sadly, Cam will win the Heisman and there will be young people that will idolize him although he has a questionable character. If Cam was A okay while at UF then why did he leave? Seems as though the UF would have done most anything to keep him enrolled unless he is an unsavory character. This is another Reggie Bush deal in the making. Tony I’m a big follower of your columns but you missed badly on this call.

Fiesta Fred

December 10th, 2010
7:58 pm

Mad Max

December 10th, 2010
8:00 pm

Tony, you are soooooo wrong!

crusher dawg

December 10th, 2010
8:03 pm

Figures that you would vote for a cheater.

Randolph

December 10th, 2010
8:05 pm

Tony,
Your newspaper is big enough to have investigative reporters. Is anyone at your paper actually asking tough questions, or is your paper just writing about this story as if you are 1,000 miles away.

Gaines

December 10th, 2010
8:28 pm

So if you don’t vote for Cam because of the integrity statement who do you vote for? James?
Yeah thats a good swap he just physically harrassed his girlfriend and got charged for it this year…. Does anybody else not think that abuse is a bigger issue here?

Sautee Dawg

December 10th, 2010
8:30 pm

Moore should win the trpophy. His career in college football should be considered just like it was the year Hershel had the better season stat wise but George Rodgers on an average South Carolina team won the trophty because of his previous years work. Same with Newton, he shouldn’t get the trophy for playing last season in junior college role and just spending one season as a starter.
Not fair to Moore, or the others who have worked very hard to stay elligable, while Newton couldn’t.

Sautee Dawg

December 10th, 2010
8:35 pm

One other thing you should know Tony. The FBI don’t send out investigators over RUMORS!! The FBI don’t do courtesy calls or I think i thought kinda stuff. When they get involved in something. It’s for real!!

PLong

December 10th, 2010
8:45 pm

I believe it is wrong to discount Cam Newton and not vote for him because his father did something. That would be like saying you can’t drive because your dad tried to steal a car. Look at the numbers. Watch replays of Cam this past season. Have we got a better QB at any other school? The answer to that is NO. His stats speak for themselves and these stats have nothing to do with college shopping. For those of you who think Auburn did something wrong, check out the facts so far. Not one bit of evidence that Auburn recruited or knew about what Cam’s Dad tried to do at Miss State. It would be so wrong to deprive this fine young man of an award he definitely deserves. If nothing had happened at Miss State would you still feel he doesn’t deserve the award? Evaluate this young man of what he has done on the field not what someone else did in which he was not involved.

PLong

December 10th, 2010
8:46 pm

Ooops I meant to say “Not one but of evidence that Auburn did anything illegal in recruiting…”

War Eagle

December 10th, 2010
9:00 pm

Thanks for MURPHY and few other dawg fans for their honest analysis abvout Cam Newton. other dogs including RXdawg really are rude for written blogs they know NOTHING about except reading newspapers and other blogs.

Bama Dude Is A Gomer

December 10th, 2010
9:21 pm

When the NCAA Infractions Committee released its sentence of scholarship cuts and bowl bans for University of Alabama football on Friday, its chairman Thomas Yeager said: “They were absolutely staring down the barrel of a gun,” insisting his committee strongly considered the death penalty.

War Eagle

December 10th, 2010
9:22 pm

Thuga

December 10th, 2010
9:24 pm

(state your name) dawg

The flea carriers continue to miss the point of YOU STINK!

Don’t worry about what Cam did anywhere else but on the field. You mutts seem to forget about all your own off field troubles during the last 2 years. Probably a NCAA record for arrests and suspensions. Stupid is as stupid does.

You ought to be growling and barking at the folks back in Athens (oh I forget you do that too)

You need to see if you can get some players who are smart and mentally tough enough to win.

You are in the top 3 money generators in college sports and look what you have to show for it.

You need an “UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT” sign hung from the stadium to see if you can fix what’s wrong with dogville. Start with Adams and work your way down. Maybe that Gator guy can help you find your way. (at least he has been around winners for the past couple of years)

Peace out!

Rocky Top2

December 10th, 2010
9:25 pm

I’m guessing it will take about a year before the sanctions are given. NCAA will not be in any hurry.

MADDOG

December 10th, 2010
9:27 pm

Cam Newton will win the Heisman. The idiots who didn’t put him on the ballot will in the years to come look like, well, idiots. Good on TB to ‘get it’ and do what is right despite what Georgia’s irrelevant fan base thinks.

CNNSI: Amazingly, Newton’s résumé has gotten even more impressive. With his performance in the SEC Championship Game, Newton wrestled the national passing efficiency crown away from Moore with a 188.1 rating, putting him on pace to break Colt Brennan’s single-season mark of 186.0. He also joined Tim Tebow and Colin Kaepernick as the only players to throw and run for at least 20 touchdowns in the same season. Tebow, whom Newton once backed up at Florida, has been a logical measuring stick. But while Tebow’s 20/20 season led to nine wins and a spot in the Capital One Bowl, Newton’s has led to an undefeated season and a spot in the national title game, a true testament to all he’s meant to Auburn. Newton also heads to New York with 294 more rushing yards than Eric Crouch, who holds the Heisman rushing record for a quarterback.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/cory_mccartney/12/06/final-heisman-ballot/index.html#ixzz17lYrnBwt

Sizemore

December 10th, 2010
9:29 pm

If 60 Minutes really is working on a new story, Sanctions might be handed out a little quicker. NCAA sure has made a mess of college football.

High Times Tider

December 10th, 2010
9:31 pm

You don’t work for the NCAA, Tony. You have every right to vote based on what you FEEL. You know deep down the kid is dirty.

War Eagle

December 10th, 2010
9:35 pm

NCAA has already ruled, and they aren’t touching Auburn. Our football team is lining their coffers with money!

E Bradley

December 10th, 2010
9:36 pm

MADDOG

December 10th, 2010
9:43 pm

I sure hope all of those who left Newton off their ballot have the testicular fortitude to step forward and let us ridicule them.

BTW: James has said he’d vote for Newton to win the award and Moore, the Boise State quarterback, said the same on Friday.

Delta

December 10th, 2010
9:45 pm

Pretty simple.

Cam Newton’s Dad shows the FBI where he got all those bucks to fix his church from, or else Newton shouldn’t win.

this smells fishy, where there’s smoke there’s fire.

Newton’s Dad not attending his own’s son’s ceromony? Why nbot, unless the family is guilty?

chrismiller

December 10th, 2010
9:47 pm

I suppose if you’re gonna grandstand for someone like Tony Barnhart is for Cam Newton, you WOULD say he passed for 3,998 yards, which can’t even be a typo since it’s nowhere near his actual passing yards of 2,589.

Mike

December 10th, 2010
9:49 pm

Tony-

Perhaps someday, the world will become more ethical.

Perhaps voters will base decisions on RIGHT & WRONG, instead of only what the player does on the field.

Look at all the things he’s been linked to:
Stealing a laptop?
Academic Cheating?
Now his family asking for $200,000?

There’s enough evidence there to withold his vote.

There is an integrity element to the Heisman in the statement.

If this was based on right & wrong, Cam Newton wouldn’t get 1 single vote.

how2fish

December 10th, 2010
9:51 pm

MADDOG I really think Cam is the best college player this year..doesn’t mean I have any problem with any voter not giving him their Heisman vote..he is NOT a true representative of what the Heisman is about…plan and simple on the field he is untouchable.. the Heisman SHOULD be about ability and character …Cam has serious issues there on his own and not blaming Daddy..I think he wins but I don’t think it is right..

.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
9:52 pm

chrismiller

December 10th, 2010
9:47 pm
I suppose if you’re gonna grandstand for someone like Tony Barnhart is for Cam Newton, you WOULD say he passed for 3,998 yards, which can’t even be a typo since it’s nowhere near his actual passing yards of 2,589.

Hmmm, a difference of 1,409. Let’s see if you’re bright enough to figure out the error.

Sautee Dawg

December 10th, 2010
9:53 pm

Tony this whole Cam and Cecil Newton scandel was reported to the SEC and the NCAA by Miss St. in JUNE!!!!! Not yesterday. JUNE!!!!!
A.J. Green sells a jersey while on spring break and a few weeks later can’t play for 4 games handed down by the NCAA. Pretty damn fast ruling there wouldn’t you say.
Now we’re 7 months later and Cam and Ceccil get the ok to play.
Tells you one thing TONY B.
NCAA and SEC are all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Whatever sells is whats allowed.
Awbarn fans can laugh it up and spend their millions on BCS tickets and apparel but One day soon they’ be picked on by everyone else on the college planet for it.
Bank on it.
Can’t believe your buying into this thing Tony.

chrismiller

December 10th, 2010
9:55 pm

“Hmmm, a difference of 1,409. Let’s see if you’re bright enough to figure out the error.”

Hmmm … let’s see if you’re bright enough to figure out my point. Oh wait, just saw your screen name. Never mind.

MADDOG

December 10th, 2010
9:56 pm

The funny thing was on the ajc blogs ever since the news broke about Cam the all knowing Georgia fans here screamed “WAIT TIL THE NCAA GETS DONE WITH AUBURN! CAN ANYONE SAY DEATH PENALTY!?”

Of course, Auburn is not eligible for the death penalty. Alabama was. Anyways, the NCAA comes down with its ruling and what do we here? “WHAAAA!”

Man, Georgia has been losing every which way it can. Multiple arrests. Dirty plays on the field. Loss after loss after loss. They had a lead on Auburn and not only lost it but lost the game big. Auburn is 13-0 and headed to the national championship with a player who they’re trying to figure out if he’ll have the biggest margin of victory in the vote ever and the NCAA cleared Auburn and Cam of all wrong doing? Aw man, it’s got to suck.

War Eagle

December 10th, 2010
9:57 pm

Why wouldn’t his Dad attend the Heisman ceremony. Because if he did, he might slip up and answer a question. NCAA is totally okay with this whole mess as long as Cecil and Cam clam up, and nobody tries to answer any difficult questions. Just shut up and say you don’t know anything, and the NCAA and the SEC are willing to look the other way.

chrismiller

December 10th, 2010
9:59 pm

A number I believe, BAMA, still nine yards less than Colin Kaepernick’s total on the season. Mr. Barnhart here, however, was thinking up and talking up. Thus the error up. For Cam, of course. Grandstanding, like I said.

chrismiller

December 10th, 2010
10:00 pm

Six yards less. Still LESS.

chrismiller

December 10th, 2010
10:01 pm

I think Kaepernick actually finished with 1,187 yards rushing, but can’t be positive since I’m only going on memory.

Jerry

December 10th, 2010
10:04 pm

On the Heisman mission statement, in their mission statement, it talks of

pursuit of excellence

WITH INTEGRITY.

It’s not just being the best most excellent performer.

It’s about have the most integrity OFF THE FIELD.

Character, dignity, Reggie Bush tainted the Heisman, let me tell you, Newton’s problems at Florida make sure he doesn’t meet the Heisman Mission statement, much less, his family’s pay for play pitch to MSU.

Mr. ED

December 10th, 2010
10:07 pm

I think it will take at least 2 years for the NCAA to come down on Auburn. Definitely no good reasons for NCAA to go about this investigation with any speed.

MADDOG

December 10th, 2010
10:08 pm

Um, what were Newton’s faults now 3 seasons ago at Florida?

We know he bought a computer that was stolen and then through it out of a window. I believe he said that was incredibly stupid. He transferred and went to JUCO and then to Auburn where he’s led the team to an undefeated season and is the heavy favorite to win the Heisman and is favored to win the National Title by 3.

What happened again 3 years ago?

Sizemore

December 10th, 2010
10:11 pm

Auburn definitely has a tainted past, but they have also shown they know how to “get r done.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieX-pNMnwFE

college football

December 10th, 2010
10:11 pm

SCAM newtons’ on a roll

chrismiller

December 10th, 2010
10:12 pm

What happened again 3 years ago?

He turned in a plagiarized term paper of some kind, and got caught. After which he proceeded to purchase another term paper online, and got caught again. He was scheduled for academic execution at Florida before high-tailing it to Blinn JC. The guy will smile big and lie through his teeth as soon as look at you. Don’t kid yourself.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
10:17 pm

chrismiller

December 10th, 2010
10:00 pm
Six yards less. Still LESS.

Actually it’s 16 less smart guy, but if your “point” is that the Nevada kid is more deserving then you have no point at all. The WAC? C’mon…

MADDOG

December 10th, 2010
10:18 pm

Awesome 1991 video of Eric Ramsey. WOW. Yeah, let Auburn fry! 7 violations!!!! UGA has 6!!!! HA HA!

BTW, what was it, 10 arrests this year? So does that make 40 since CMR got there? I thought as of June 15, 2009 it was 30. So were than any arrests made at the end of 09 to add to the list?

Now what about selling SEC rings and jerseys…

MADDOG

December 10th, 2010
10:20 pm

chrismiller

December 10th, 2010
10:12 pm

What happened again 3 years ago?

He turned in a plagiarized term paper of some kind, and got caught. After which he proceeded to purchase another term paper online, and got caught again. He was scheduled for academic execution at Florida before high-tailing it to Blinn JC. The guy will smile big and lie through his teeth as soon as look at you. Don’t kid yourself.

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UF Academic Sources: Nothing reported to us
rivals.com
Nov 9, 2010

FoxSports.com writer Thayer Evans published a story today alleging Auburn quarterback Cameron Newton “had three different instances of academic cheating while attending the University of Florida.”

The story follows several days of editorial attacks on Newton by Thayer, a former stringer for the New York Times.

Two independent sources with detailed knowledge of the UF academic discipline system during the period in question have disputed the Evans story. According to the sources, no allegations of academic impropriety regarding Cam Newton were sent to the Florida Student Conduct Committee at any time either during or after Newton’s time at UF.

“Nothing was reported, officially or unofficially” says one source, who did not wish to be identified. “The formal process is for allegations to go through the Student Conduct Committee. If [any allegations against Newton] didn’t follow that process, then they didn’t follow the rules.”

Newton enrolled at Florida in the spring of 2007 and transferred to Blinn College in January of 2009.

Per the source, no charges against Newton were ever brought to the Student Conduct Committee during that time.

The source also indicated that no Florida football players have ever been officially reported to the UF Student Conduct Committee for academic violations during Urban Meyer’s tenure.

According to the source, student arrests are subject to additional discipline via the Student Conduct Committee, but it is not uncommon for students in such situations “to cut a deal with the Dean of Students’ office before coming to the Committee.”

At the time of Newton’s enrollment at UF, if attempts to informally settle academic disputes failed, academic violations issues were referred from the Dean of Students office to the Student Conduct Committee, where a hearing chaired by a member of the UF Honor Board would be conducted.

No charges against Newton, to the first source’s knowledge, were ever sent to the UF Student Conduct Committee.

A second, independently verified source, also with detailed knowledge of the Florida student disciplinary system, took issue with Thayer’s assertion that Newton, had he actually been charged with academic misconduct, would have been in danger of expulsion. “I worked ten or twelve cases,” the second source says, “and I never saw anyone get expelled.”

The second source, who also declined to be identified, also says no charges regarding Newton were ever brought to the Student Conduct Committee, noting, “If Cameron Newton would have come before the committee, we would have known about it.”

The second source also expressed indignation over the possible leak of student information to the media.

“That is completely confidential. We’re not allowed to say anything to anyone.

“The person that was in charge of [students’] academic records is a very ethical person. Someone like him would never have released anything.”

chrismiller

December 10th, 2010
10:26 pm

Whatever, BAMA, I’m not here to be flexin’ math muscles. The original point WAS, he’s grandstanding for Cam Newton – just look at all the posts here about integrity and how it’s incorporated into the Heisman’s protocol. Which literally makes the whole “FEELING” concept of the column pointless. Cam Newton HAS no integrity, and if you believed a word he said to Chris Fowler, you’re a moron. Barnhart’s brain was pro-Cam, which led to his error. I don’t even think he got Kaepernick’s rushing total right … I think it was 1,187. And yeah, the WAC, which means, WAC receivers, WAC linemen, WAC running backs, etc.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
10:28 pm

And yeah, the WAC, which means, WAC receivers, WAC linemen, WAC running backs, etc.

By that logic, D1-level QBs wouldn’t stand out statistically in high school because they’re playing with high schoolers. Asinine and, I hope anyway, you know it.

MADDOG

December 10th, 2010
10:29 pm

I guess you just have to remind people sometimes of what has happened:

The Heisman front-runner now has been cleared to compete without conditions with his team a win away from playing for a BCS title.

“Based on the information available to the reinstatement staff at this time, we do not have sufficient evidence that Cam Newton or anyone from Auburn was aware of this activity, which led to his reinstatement,” Kevin Lennon, NCAA vice president for academic and membership affairs, said in a news release.

“From a student-athlete reinstatement perspective, Auburn University met its obligation under NCAA bylaw 14.11.1. Under this threshold, the student-athlete has not participated while ineligible.”

The NCAA won’t say its case is closed on Newton. However, its statement notes that reinstatement likely occurs “prior to the close of an investigation.”

^^^^^ interesting last paragraph eh?

49-31 :D

Richardson

December 10th, 2010
10:29 pm

NCAA will give Auburn a chance to put the BCS Trophy on display at Walmart for a couple of months, before the investigation really heats up. Pretty sure Auburn requested that, in their deal with the NCAA.

chrismiller

December 10th, 2010
10:29 pm

nice, MADDOG, but the process never got to the committee, nor did I say it had. And had it gotten there, he would’ve been more susceptible to expulsion because the kid had just been charged with three felonies for on-campus activity. Instead, he pleaded down, ran through PTD and got out of Dodge before his name ever appeared on anything official, academically. Nice Auburn talking points, though. Do you actually KNOW anyone in Gainesville?

chrismiller

December 10th, 2010
10:30 pm

I guess you just have to remind some people of what’s been said:

“… at this time …”

MADDOG

December 10th, 2010
10:32 pm

No way Auburn* gets sanctions for at least a year! No way!

aarh

December 10th, 2010
10:33 pm

Tony- I’m sure it’s a typo, but no way did Cam have 3,998 passing yards. He actually had 2,589. AU didn’t throw the ball nearly enough for him to have that many.

chrismiller

December 10th, 2010
10:35 pm

“Asinine and, I hope anyway, you know it.”

Holy crap are YOU an idiot. Do you know how many kids have been standouts in high school and been a bust in college? Stephen Garcia was a stat machine in high school, and in college? Jasper Sanks, a beast in high school … but at Georgia? Kaepernick is 6-6, 225, and had more combined yards rushing and passing, behind a WAC line, throwing to WAC receivers, with WAC running backs as additional “threats” for defenses to be concerned about, than Newton did with his SEC senior-laden line, SEC backs, and SEC receivers … in a conference in which half the teams in it averaged more than 30 points per game. You’re not even worth paying attention to anymore man.

MADDOG

December 10th, 2010
10:35 pm

Mr. Chris, what part of losing an argument do you not get?

If he cheated at UF, 3 years ago, it was never reported according to sources who seem to know a lot more than Thayer Evans did – your source btw.

And this fun little tidbit: reinstatement likely occurs “prior to the close of an investigation.” Meaning most likely that if the NCAA doesn’t get any new information it’s over for Georgi… I mean for the investigation. HA HA HA.

Did you know Cam is about to win the Heisman and play for the national title? ROFL.

Yes, I’m enjoying myself.

chrismiller

December 10th, 2010
10:38 pm

And geez, MADDOG, you’re weak too.

“The NCAA won’t say its case is closed on Newton. However, its statement notes that reinstatement likely occurs “prior to the close of an investigation.”

They were talking about immediate reinstatement, kinda like an emergency, which, yes, usually DOES happen before the main investigation ends. So don’t get your hopes up through creative reading and selective amnesia.

MADDOG

December 10th, 2010
10:38 pm

Why are we talking about the WAC? Should we compare how many SEC players play in the NFL vs the WAC?

MADDOG

December 10th, 2010
10:39 pm

Aw, did you lose the argument Chris? I think so. Sorry. :(

Next.

chrismiller

December 10th, 2010
10:41 pm

Hey MADDOG, it was never reported because Cam ran like a b@#$ch before it ever went anywhere. But I’m not going to go researching links to prove anything to you or anyone else. If you are an Auburn fan, enjoy the spoils now because I can assure you the hammer is gonna fall eventually. And when it does, you better find a nice, clear reception on the Auburn radio network because you won’t find ‘em on television.

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
10:42 pm

chrismiller

December 10th, 2010
10:35 pm
“Asinine and, I hope anyway, you know it.”

Holy crap are YOU an idiot. Do you know how many kids have been standouts in high school and been a bust in college? Stephen Garcia was a stat machine in high school, and in college? Jasper Sanks, a beast in high school … but at Georgia? Kaepernick is 6-6, 225, and had more combined yards rushing and passing, behind a WAC line, throwing to WAC receivers, with WAC running backs as additional “threats” for defenses to be concerned about, than Newton did with his SEC senior-laden line, SEC backs, and SEC receivers … in a conference in which half the teams in it averaged more than 30 points per game. You’re not even worth paying attention to anymore man.

You just proved my point, numbnuts. Those guys you mentioned performed well with and against weaker players but failed with and against stronger ones. How about you support your argument? Let me help you: find a QB who had mediocre stats in high school but excelled in the SEC. See, that supports the point you’re trying to make instead of contradicting it as you did previously.

chrismiller

December 10th, 2010
10:43 pm

“Why are we talking about the WAC? Should we compare how many SEC players play in the NFL vs the WAC?”

You just made my point, moron. Which was of course that Kaepernick outgained Newton surrounded by less-talented players, and a less-talented line. Awww, are you a drooling idiot, MADDOG? I think so.

Am I, though, getting dragged into an Internet war by a faceless, nameless pu$$y like you? Nope.

MADDOG

December 10th, 2010
10:44 pm

Anyone need to review the highlights of the Auburn/Georgia game this year?

http://rivals.yahoo.com/video/college-football/Highlights-Georgia-vs-Auburn-885094

It’s a lot of fun to watch, especially if you think about how many Georgia fans had to have been screaming “WE’RE GOING TO WIN!” when they were up 21-7. But they not only lost that but they lost it before halftime. That had to hurt. More so then when they thought Bama was going to beat down Auburn and revenge their loss and that didn’t happen or that South Carolina would beat Auburn down and well, that didn’t happen either. OR THAT THE NCAA WOULD DECLARE THE SEASON NULL AND VOID… didn’t happen.

Ahhh, it’s really my favorite highlight reel except for the end where Ben Jones takes cheap shots at Fairley, that Jones kid is D-I-R-T-Y.

chrismiller

December 10th, 2010
10:46 pm

“You just proved my point, numbnuts. Those guys you mentioned performed well with and against weaker players but failed with and against stronger ones. How about you support your argument? Let me help you: find a QB who had mediocre stats in high school but excelled in the SEC. See, that supports the point you’re trying to make instead of contradicting it as you did previously.”

Dude … WHAT? I think the point here is you have BAMA in your username, so why am I even bothering to recognize you? Weren’t you due for your turn on the firehose mowing down people at the Woolworth’s at 10:40? I think you’re late.

MADDOG

December 10th, 2010
10:46 pm

Chris, he also did it against WAC defenses, which is the point you missed… moron. :D :D

Colin Cowherd had a great discussion about this Monday after the SEC Championship, laid out how incredibly stout the SEC defenses are while what TCU and Boise St play are absolutely inferior. You can’t argue with his points… unless you’re a moron.

:D

chrismiller

December 10th, 2010
10:46 pm

and for the record, I HATE the Georgia Bulldogs. And morons.

MADDOG

December 10th, 2010
10:47 pm

2010 ACTIVE NFL players by conference
SEC – 22.4 per member
B10 – 19.7 ”
ACC – 19.1
P10 – 18.2
B12 – 15.3
BEC – 11.9

MWC – 7.9
WAC – 6.0
CUSA- 5.1
MAC – 4.4
SBC – 2.9

ROFL

chrismiller

December 10th, 2010
10:50 pm

“laid out how incredibly stout the SEC defenses are…” Your ignorance knows no bounds. Those “stout” defenses allowed half the conference to average more than 30 points per game. Auburn itself gave up 28 points per game in its SEC regular season games.

MADDOG

December 10th, 2010
10:50 pm

Oh here is more:

Conferences producing most draft picks by position
Position / Conference

Defensive backs
SEC
122

Defensive ends
SEC
88

Defensive tackles
SEC
65

Linebackers
SEC
105

Quarterbacks
Pac-10
40

Running backs
SEC
88

Receivers
SEC
95

Tight ends
Pac-10
44

Offensive linemen
Big Ten
138

Note: All numbers reflect drafts from 1988-2007

MADDOG

December 10th, 2010
10:51 pm

chrismiller

December 10th, 2010
10:50 pm

“laid out how incredibly stout the SEC defenses are…” Your ignorance knows no bounds. Those “stout” defenses allowed half the conference to average more than 30 points per game. Auburn itself gave up 28 points per game in its SEC regular season games.
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A) Auburn gave up a lot because Auburn scored a lot and quickly,

B) And the WAC is better why?

You know were all laughing at you right?

chrismiller

December 10th, 2010
10:54 pm

Or, game by game, that’s: 14, 27, 34, 43, 17, 31, 31, 27. Outside LSU, Alabama and Florida, not one SEC team was in the top 25 nationally in total defense. South Carolina, Mississippi State and Auburn were 52, 53 and 54. Real stout.

chrismiller

December 10th, 2010
10:56 pm

Look, dumb @$$, the WAC ISN’T better. Which was my point. And you and your girlfriends can laugh all you want. You’re still an idiot. Goodnight!

BAMA dude

December 10th, 2010
11:01 pm

Dude … WHAT? I think the point here is you have BAMA in your username, so why am I even bothering to recognize you? Weren’t you due for your turn on the firehose mowing down people at the Woolworth’s at 10:40? I think you’re late.

You really don’t understand how your arguments contradicted themselves do you? Middle school insults now? Wow…

Tell the truth

December 10th, 2010
11:10 pm

MADDOG It was 2 years ago not 3

MADDOG

December 10th, 2010
11:32 pm

I BACK!

Aw Chris left. That was just getting fun.

Oh well, tell the truth I meant to put seasons. As in the 2010 season, 2009 season, 2008 season. hence, 3.

MADDOG

December 10th, 2010
11:48 pm

chrismiller

December 10th, 2010
10:54 pm

Or, game by game, that’s: 14, 27, 34, 43, 17, 31, 31, 27. Outside LSU, Alabama and Florida, not one SEC team was in the top 25 nationally in total defense. South Carolina, Mississippi State and Auburn were 52, 53 and 54. Real stout.
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So outside of LSU, Alabama, and Florida… you know, there are only 12 teams in the SEC. So 3 of them equals 1/4 of the conference. So 25% of the SEC ranked in the top, get this, 10 best defenses in the country. Actually top 9. They were 6, 8 and 9th. You could say, according to the stats, that the SEC had more teams in the top 10 than any other school. And Auburn beat 2 of the top 10 defenses. Neat stat, kudos to Cam Newton, eh?

Also, lets just take a look at the teams with the top total defenses, they include powerhouses like Syracuse at #5, Pitt at #11, Ken St at 13, Temple at 17, CAL, I mean CAL at 19, Northern Ill at 26, Army at 27 and so on. Oh wait, UGA at 30, but they had Auburn score 49 on them.

Oregon 25, Auburn at 54. Both undefeated. TCU at #1… but uh, nobody cared.

Did we talk about SEC teams in the BCS National Championship games yet? What are we, 100%?

http://www.ncaa.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/ncaa-m-footbl-fbs-team-total-defense.html

MADDOG

December 10th, 2010
11:53 pm

Ah, favorite Heisman moments for Cam Newton… hmmm… the run against Peterson? The catch? Taking the lead against Alabama on the TD pass? The Hail Mary? How about that run against Georgia on the first TD of the game? Or was it the little extra TD he scored at the end of the game, the little extra icing on the big cake. Oh so many good plays… gosh, who’d a thought a guy who at best could only be a tight end at Georgia could have articles written about him asking “is he the best ever?” It’s really a lot of fun. A lot of fun.

Really, how many times as a Hail Mary really worked?

Jakeau24

December 11th, 2010
12:18 am

13-0, National Champions, Heisman winner, Lombardi winner, Coach of the year, Ziemba All American and uga going to memphis………..We won it with coaching and three star players too. Oh yeah, Nick Fairley punished everyone but uga complained like a little girl.

MikeP

December 11th, 2010
1:01 am

It amazes me that there are three (COUNT ‘EM THREE) links to different legitimate news sources in this thread, all three exposing the story about Cam Newton cheating as a lie, yet we still have posters saying don’t vote for him because he cheated at UF. That’s incredibly dense.

The NCAA was on no timetable, they could have waited for years before publicly announcing a finding. They came out and said Auburn and Cam Newton are clean. Do you think they want to have to back-track? When they said that, it meant that this deal is closed.

Quoting Sports Illustrated writer Lars Anderson on a radio interview today: “Sources inside the NCAA tell me the Cam Newton issue is over. Forget it and move on, it’s dead.”

In the meantime, Auburn is 13-0 and heading for the BCS game, Cam has won or will win every major award a QB can win, Nick Fairley is the Lombardi winner, Gus Malzahn won the Broyles award as the nation’s best assistant coach and Gene Chizik is national coach of the year.
It’s great to be an Auburn Tiger!

aualum87

December 11th, 2010
1:21 am

Part of the reason Meyer stepped down at UFla was because of the heat he caught releasing federally protected information, and basically creating a “manhunt” for Cam…..all of the other reasons are “convenient” reasons, but the real reason is that the AU Pres called the UF Pres and said “what are you guys doing down there releasing student records, that’s a federal offense”, so it doesn’t surprise me that Meyer stepped down, the heat was just cranking up on him….

MikeP

December 11th, 2010
1:46 am

I don’t know about that, aualum87. There was nothing to release. According to all three articles linked to above, either Thayer Evans lied or he did have a source and the source lied to Evans. At any rate, the tales about Cam cheating at UF are a lie.

Those asking about Cecil’s church and the Newnan City Council, the NCAA did talk to the City Council. A member of or spokesperson for that city council was on the TV three weeks ago. She was holding a book she said was the book of minutes of city council meetings. She pointed to the page where Cecil Newton satisfied the city council that he had adequate funding to do the required repairs on the church. That page was dated July of 2009, six months before Auburn signed Cam Newton. That may be inconvenient for the haters, but there it is…

Jim Hartley

December 11th, 2010
1:46 am

So don’t act on the allegations of this year’s pay for play. Why not act on Newton’s 2008 arrest for stealing a laptop? You can see the police report at http://rss.thesmokinggun.com/documents/college/cam-newton-lame-laptop-thief – is 2008 so long ago that it is not a reliable indicator of this man’s “integrity”?

P. Bull Terrier

December 11th, 2010
1:59 am

A coach at UGA makes a choke sign before the UF kicker attempts a game winning kick and Tony wants him suspended. (I agree the choke sign was a dumb move.)

A player at Auburn has more than a dozen violations of the law in his three year college career, skips town in Fla before the school can kick him out for multiple cheating charges, becomes the focus of several pay-for-play investigations, and Tony wants to give him an award.?!?

John Heisman(from the Grave)

December 11th, 2010
2:30 am

As I sit here in heaven to the left of GOD and Bear Bryant to the Right of God, I can see everything unfolding on earth, and what is going to occur on Saturday evening has me concerned. The Trophy with my name attached to it will be given to a college football player whose on the field actions have been nothing short of spectacular, his off season behavior is tragic, criminal, against the amateur laws of our nation, and down right wrong.

I asked Bear what he thought of the kid from Auburn and he said, ” Coach, times have changed and the individualism in the game today overrules the team accomplishment. In my time the phrase “Act like you have been there before, and no individual is bigger than the team” is what we were taught, acted like and preached to our kids”. I told coach I am embarrassed to have my name attached to the award this year because stealing, lying, cheating, blackmailing and lawbreaking is the foundation of this Newton kid and his life work.

As I see it the award needs to have someone elses name on it this year, ” Ladies and Gentlemen the 2010 Al Capone award goes to Cameron Newton.”

John Heisman(from the Grave)

December 11th, 2010
2:42 am

Mike P.

Did Cecil Newton shop his son? yes

Has Trooper Taylor been under the investigative arm of the NCAA prior to working at Auburn? Yes

Has Cameron Newton been charged and processed for stealing a laptop? Yes

Did Cameron Newton lie to the police about the stolen laptop? Yes

Did Cameron Newton dispose of stolen property ? Yes

Did Cameron Newton have more than a dozen motor vehicle violations while at UF? Yes

Did Nick Fairley have grades changed as a senior in high school to get accepted into Auburn? Yes
Did the NCAA clearing house rule Nick Fairley was ineligible to attend Auburn due to grade changes?
Yes

Does Auburn have a history of graduating players who cannot read or write? Yes

Does Auburn have a history of paying players? Yes

Does Auburn have a history of the most Probations in the history of the NCAA? Yes

Does Auburn have a history of signing players who are not capable of getting into other schools? Yes

Does Cameron Newton have a pattern of cheating in class? Yes

Is there an active NCAA investigation into the recruitment, signing of Cameron Newton? Yes

Is there an active investigation into the actions of multiple Auburn Boosters? Yes

Has the Justice Department indicted 3 Auburn Boosters? Yes

Is a former Alabama Governor and Auburn Graduate, and booster currently in jail for illegal activities?
Yes

Did the bank that was controlled by the Auburn BOT, Former Head FOOTBALL Coach, and current Board Member seized by the FEDS? Yes

ENOUGH SAID….

John Heisman(from the Grave)

December 11th, 2010
2:44 am

Mike P is the Nancy Pelosi of Auburn Apologist and bedwetters……

John Heisman(from the Grave)

December 11th, 2010
2:45 am

If Gene Chizki spit on Mike P’s head and told him it was raining he would believe him and call him god.

John Heisman(from the Grave)

December 11th, 2010
2:47 am

The difference between Mike P and a tire tool is the tire tool is a valuable part to a person with a flat tire and Mike P is the Flat Tire, he looks good on the top part but the foundation is useless.

Pay The Man

December 11th, 2010
5:49 am

They still give out a Heisman trinket?

Atlanta Sports Fan

December 11th, 2010
6:50 am

I just have one word for Cam and most of his team mates: THUGS

Who Cares

December 11th, 2010
7:14 am

I do not know the real truth about Newton. So no comment.
The writers have a responsibility to vote based not only on their convictions, they should also vote based on the
guidelines set forth for them to use.

atltiger15

December 11th, 2010
7:46 am

Thugs= THUGA nuff said, how many guys are committed to the Dawgs have either been suspended for part of season or sat out due to character issues…And until that changes, the Dawgs will continue to be irrelevant in the SEC

atltiger15

December 11th, 2010
7:49 am

If you’re definition of THUG is trucking over and hitting “player A” numerous of times until “player A” is on the ground, then yes Cam and Fairley are thugs. I bet you want a couple of them as well. There was one late hit by Fairley but whats the difference between that and hitting a guy late out of bounds behind the back like Rambo did. Nothing.

Auburn Fan 1

December 11th, 2010
7:53 am

Atlanta sports fan….
When you refer to the AU program as THUGS, you need to think that one through. How many AU players have been arrested? How about UGA? How about UF? Yes Cam got arrested for possessing a stolen laptop at UF, but everybody get arrested at UF. What’s the count up to now? 30 or so. How about GA? 10, 11 in the last 12 months? When you’re surrounding by THUGS, a lot of kids act like what they’re around. Since arriving at AU, Cam has been a model citizen. Kids need guidance, not a free pass and excuses for their actions. It’s obvious at UF, and UGA, that is not the case.

Mr. Red

December 11th, 2010
8:49 am

He got your vote because you have an agenda and your a bonehead!

CLOWN!!

December 11th, 2010
8:56 am

Atlanta Sports Fan

December 11th, 2010
6:50 am
I just have one word for Cam and most of his team mates: THUGS

I have one word for you ATL Sports Fan: CLOWN!!!!

For You "John Heisman

December 11th, 2010
9:00 am

On September 13, 1962, just a few days before Georgia was to play Alabama in the opening game of the 1962 college football season, Wally Butts, then Athletic Director of the University of Georgia, telephoned Paul “Bear” Bryant of Alabama and provided information about the Georgia team, its players, formations, plays, and patterns. James Kirby, Professor of Law at the University of Tennessee, leaves readers of his book Fumble: Bear Bryant, Wally Butts, and the Great College Football Scandal with no doubt that such a conversation did occur. 1 Was it, however, a “college football fix,” as claimed by The Saturday Evening Post in a controversial article that hit the newsstands three months after the 1962 football season ended?

Archie

December 11th, 2010
9:02 am

John Heisman (rolling in his grave) makes a pretty good case for why we all (except Auburn* fans) feel like Auburn has cheated once again.

chrismiller The Clown

December 11th, 2010
9:14 am

chrismiller

December 10th, 2010
10:41 pm
Hey MADDOG, it was never reported because Cam ran like a b@#$ch before it ever went anywhere. But I’m not going to go researching links to prove anything to you or anyone else. If you are an Auburn fan, enjoy the spoils now because I can assure you the hammer is gonna fall eventually. And when it does, you better find a nice, clear reception on the Auburn radio network because you won’t find ‘em on television

I guess you know something the NCAA and FBI don’t know. CAM NEWTON IS ELIGIBLE!! What part of that do you clowns not understand? Drop it already, you are nothing more than a jealous loser who has nothing better to do than cast dispersions on a young man who has turned his life around. GET A LIFE LAME-O!! WDE!!

"Staring Down The Barrel Of A Gun"

December 11th, 2010
9:18 am

For Alabama football, this is third hearing before the infractions committee in six years — and the second time they were found guilty of major infractions. Those payments were just the sexiest in a long list of violations.

When the NCAA Infractions Committee released its sentence of scholarship cuts and bowl bans for University of Alabama football on Friday, its chairman Thomas Yeager said: “They were absolutely staring down the barrel of a gun,” insisting his committee strongly considered the death penalty.

MADDOG

December 11th, 2010
9:22 am

Has anyone interviewed Mr. Loschak about his stolen computer? It would be interesting to see what he thinks about that situation. To Auburn fans this is no big deal. they might feel different if Cam had stolen your child’s laptop.
Check out the police report:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/cam-newton-report?page=0

Cameron is in room 306 and the the laptop is stolen from room 303.

Bama Dude Is Married To His Sister

December 11th, 2010
9:24 am

Forget Southern Cal, Alabama is NCAA’s most consistent cheater — posted by mike bianchi on July, 21 2010

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. — If you were the NCAA, at which football program would you have the most investigators?

As I prepared to cover the annual Southeastern Conference Football Media Days, which begins today here in Birmingham, that was the question asked of me by one of bosses.

Even with Southern Cal still dealing with the massive fallout from the Reggie Bush mess and Florida currently embroiled in a potential agent scandal involving Maurkice Pouncey, Alabama still gets my vote as college football’s most consistently dirty program.

If I were king of the NCAA, I would not only saturate Alabama with investigators, I would set up a branch office in Tuscaloosa.
In Alabama, cheating is as much a part of the football lore as the houndstooth hat worn by Bear Bryant and that purty dress worn by Mike DuBose’s secretary.

Alabama has seen it all over the last 20 years. Shady loans. Athletes illicitly accepting cash payments from agents and boosters. Multiple probations. Postseason bans. Scholarship reductions. Lack of institutional control. You name it, the Crimson Tide has done it.

Welcome to Alabama, where the NCAA probations are nearly as prevalent as national championships. Actually, in the last decade, Alabama has recorded more NCAA probations (three) than it has national titles (one).

It should also be noted that the iconic Bear Bryant may not have ever been caught cheating himself, but he tutored some of college football’s biggest outlaws.. Charley Pell, Pat Dye, Danny Ford and Jackie Sherrill all were Bear disciples who went on to provide some of the most unique interpretations of the NCAA rulebook in the history of college football.

Roll Tide?

Alabama’s rallying cry should be, “We Lied!”

And maybe, too, Alabama should get rid of its elephant mascot and replace it with a pig.

What better animal to symbolize the dirtiest, stinkiest program in recent NCAA history.

Alabama is CF's most Consistently Dirty Program!

December 11th, 2010
9:25 am

Alabama still gets my vote as college football’s most consistently dirty program.

If I were king of the NCAA, I would not only saturate Alabama with investigators, I would set up a branch office in Tuscaloosa.
In Alabama, cheating is as much a part of the football lore as the houndstooth hat worn by Bear Bryant and that purty dress worn by Mike DuBose’s secretary.

Alabama has seen it all over the last 20 years. Shady loans. Athletes illicitly accepting cash payments from agents and boosters. Multiple probations. Postseason bans. Scholarship reductions. Lack of institutional control. You name it, the Crimson Tide has done it.

Welcome to Alabama, where the NCAA probations are nearly as prevalent as national championships. Actually, in the last decade, Alabama has recorded more NCAA probations (three) than it has national titles (one).

Razorbacker

December 11th, 2010
9:37 am

With Cam’s win tonight, it will be two straight years where the winner’s Dad is basically not allowed to attend. Bama and Auburn have a lot to be proud about!

Charlie Top

December 11th, 2010
9:41 am

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/cam-newton-report?page=0

Did Cam get off the hook, because he said he bought the laptop?

War Eagle

December 11th, 2010
9:51 am

You bama fans can`t absorb an a** kick after being up 24 points by Auburn. You are the type of fans who have split personality. probably good old guys around the water cooler, but real butts when bama gets slam.
We eat crow last year so enjoy the meals this year and watch best college football in the country lead the War Eagles to NC in Glendale.
What happen to the bama boards, burn out??

War Eagle

December 11th, 2010
10:00 am

6 page police report is very interesting!
Cam has certainly learned a lot about the importance of “denying everything”. That lesson of denial still seems to be working fine for him today, too.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/cam-newton-report

War Eagle

December 11th, 2010
10:01 am

Hey bama man why don`t you mark your War Eagle blogs as bama War Eagle, Just like bama always centralized in their loses(3)
You tube Eric Ramsey, well I guess Dubose, Price, 7 intelluals who stole books, put bama on probation again…Albert Means paiod $200,000, by Bama, jail time for a booster and coach com`on Auburn can`t top that.

LHardingDawg

December 11th, 2010
10:07 am

Tony, you voted for Cam, like Schultz and Finebaum, because none of the three of you have any integrity. You people are in Slive’s (the SEC comissioner), and Mark Emmert (the NCAA president’s) pocket. Apparently you guys were told to “tow the line” and brainlessly that’s what you are doing.

MikeP

December 11th, 2010
10:07 am

Boy, that “Heisman is sleeping” guy is bad off, apparently not very well informed. He answers a bunch of questions “yes” when fully half of them should be “no” and several others are something he has no possible way of knowing.

Go sharpen your reading skills on the UGA arrest reports. Ignoring the fact that the “Cam cheating at Florida” allegations have been proven to be a lie doesn’t make the lie true. Just like ignoring the fact that the NCAA has cleared Auburn and Cam doesn’t remove the fact that they are cleared and this deal is concluded.

You DullDawgs need to get your own house in order. Go figure out why, with four top-ten recruiting classes on your team they have to scratch to finish 6-6.
Your recent hire for a DC is a total disaster and spending years installing the out dated 3-4 defense is way past silly.
Your hoped-for problems for Auburn have not happened and they won’t happen. Grow a set and straighten out the nation’s #1 party school. Get those players out of the Athens drinking district and back on the practice field if you want to win more games.

MikeP

December 11th, 2010
10:14 am

Razorbacker
December 11th, 2010
9:37 am

“With Cam’s win tonight, it will be two straight years where the winner’s Dad is basically not allowed to attend. Bama and Auburn have a lot to be proud about!”

Wrong. Cecil Newton can attend if he wants to. He’s decided not to attend because he (correctly) thinks his presence would be a distraction.

Some Folks are Above the Rules

December 11th, 2010
10:26 am

@Razorbacker

Ingram is from Michigan. Newton is from Georgia.

Just Sayin…

Jerry

December 11th, 2010
10:29 am

Best player is clearly defined by Heisman mission statement:

1) perfomed with excellence
2) with integrity

By that standard, Cam Newton is ABSOLUTELY NOT the “best” player in college football.

“Best” has 2 qualities:
1) technical performance
2) moral integrity

Jerry

December 11th, 2010
10:31 am

This is the ole “if 100 journalists jump off a cliff, would you?”

Same reason journalist said Alabama wold repeat as National Champions.

It was irrational, but the journalist didn’t want to look dumb by stating an unpopular minority position.

patrick

December 11th, 2010
10:34 am

Maddog………uga is 4-1 in last five games against Auburn.

gt4ever

December 11th, 2010
10:35 am

I can tell you why you gave your vote to this kid. You are a MORON….. Positive proof that there is NO HONOR or INTEGRITY in this award….

gt4ever

December 11th, 2010
10:36 am

Oh, I forgot one thing, your a JOCKSNIFFER! That’s all….

Some Folks are Above the Rules

December 11th, 2010
10:38 am

@MikeP

You poor guy. Winning an NC was supposed to be fun, wasn’t it? It’s not your fault that you’re a fan of such a dirty program. The fans have no control over the actions of the Lee County Mafia. I feel your pain dude. Just keep pretending that none of this is really happening — that’s probably the best coping strategy.

uga2010

December 11th, 2010
10:38 am

Cam Newton is the new OJ Simpson. He got away with murder because the SEC is the Johnny Cochran.

NCTiger

December 11th, 2010
10:48 am

Wow……just wow ! As an Auburn Tiger I expect some of this hate from the bammers, but the other SEC fans make this sickening. The only hate I have in the SEC is for the bammers that get constant protection from the bama media. If there was fair and balanced reporting in AL the bammers would not have a program. The NCAA’s Yeager already told you bama was the “dirtiest ever” program in NCAA history: his words, not mine. Even with USC’s PROVEN infractions USC was not compared to turdtown……….so you guys are still #1 ! Embrace reality you mental midgets!

Now for you other SEC fans, take a hard look at your own program before you pass judgment on ours. If we are guilty we will pay the price. The NCAA will not give anyone a free pass. Auburn, Chizik, JJ and Cam did nothing wrong. Very few if any will dig into Chizik’s, JJ’s or Cam’s background (since becoming a Tiger) because it will paint a different picture that does not support the agenda of the haters. You will have a different perspective if 2011 becomes the year your program is attacked by the media (fanned by a rival) and guilty until proven innocent based on ”sources”.

War Eagle !

GWD

December 11th, 2010
10:50 am

A few weeks ago you said that if Cecil tried to get money for his son’s services, that was one of the worst things ever. Now he has admitted it…and you look the other way. Shame on you Tony! I thought you had more backbone than that.

Why hide Cecil at this point?

December 11th, 2010
11:19 am

Cecil should be allowed to attend the Heisman ceremony since he chose Auburn over Mississippi State for Cammy Cam.

St. Michael

December 11th, 2010
11:28 am

John Heisman (from the grave),

I have a nagging question that you’re in the position to get answered. In the presence of God and all his saints, please ask Paul “Bear” Bryant to step in front of the Lord, place his hand on Holy Scripture, and tell the truth in answer to the following question:

“Coach Bryant did you or any other person associated with your football team ever offer monetary inducements to players to sign with the Alabama Crimson Tide football program, or provide any of your players with money or other illegal benefits after they became members of your team? Please address your answer directly to Him.”

From Where I Sit

December 11th, 2010
11:42 am

He doesn’t deserve it based upon a lack of character!

Enough Said!

jomps

December 11th, 2010
11:45 am

So if I have a great Athlete son, it’s ok that I “shop” him for money with no penalties as long as I don’t let him know….This whole Cam Newton thing is a complete joke. His work on the field is worthy of the trophy but his lying about not knowing what his crook Dad was doing should prevent him from winning it…Character should be a component to everyone’s decision…

Dawg Tired

December 11th, 2010
11:47 am

Tony – I assume you know there is another plausible explanation as to why you voted for Cam Newton. Hint: There is no cure for it.

Joe Bob Thibodaux

December 11th, 2010
11:59 am

LHardingDawg

December 11th, 2010
10:07 am
Tony, you voted for Cam, like Schultz and Finebaum, because none of the three of you have any integrity. You people are in Slive’s (the SEC comissioner), and Mark Emmert (the NCAA president’s) pocket. Apparently you guys were told to “tow the line” and brainlessly that’s what you are doing.

** THIS IS SO LAME. Lets see you make a complete sentence that cogently and factually demeans Mark Emmert.

Man, talk about hurling insults from a collapsing position!

JBT

panhandlebuzz

December 11th, 2010
12:00 pm

Does no one else see the irony in this pay for play situtation. A black man selling his son to the highest bidder. Almost two hundred years ago, this was called slavery.

beakerdawg

December 11th, 2010
12:38 pm

Mr Barnhart – I am embarrassed that you are a Bulldog. I thought you had more integrity than this. Forrest Gump could figure this out.

Little Light Reading

December 11th, 2010
12:44 pm

Alabama has seen it all over the last 20 years. Shady loans. Athletes illicitly accepting cash payments from agents and boosters. Multiple probations. Postseason bans. Scholarship reductions. Lack of institutional control. You name it, the Crimson Tide has done it.

Welcome to Alabama, where the NCAA probations are nearly as prevalent as national championships. Actually, in the last decade, Alabama has recorded more NCAA probations (three) than it has national titles (one).

SEC Fact Finder

December 11th, 2010
12:44 pm

It looks to me that reading various post on the comments pages that Auburn fans are defending Cam Newton while the other 95 percent are embarrassed by all the issues surrounding Cameron Newton and his father,s behavior.
I read someone named Mike P and all his defending, he has that right however the cut and paste,bait and switch defenses as well as the selective articles he pulls out for some of his defesne statements do no hold water.
This is not about Georgia, florida, alabama, it is an article about the vote by TB for Cameron Newton.
If no one else has noticed, this is the first time in recent Hesisman history that seemingly every voter has to defend their vote for Cam Newton. That alone says more to the fact the young man carries more baggage and questions than most other previous winners.

I read Mr. Heisman’s comments , Q and A session and the facts alone and contrary to what some protectionist may try to deny all come back with a strong yes answer or close to the answer yes.
The young Newton has talent, but the sooner he leaves the college game and the other issues with the summer agent gate, jersey selling and free trips the sooner the game gets back to what we all want to see.

ENOUGH WHINING ALREADY!!

December 11th, 2010
12:52 pm

John “Heisman” from the grave, What do you think about Ingram’s Daddy being locked up? It’s OK for him to win but Cam has to pay for the sins of his Dad? NEWS FLASH: The “Bear” was not as big a saint as you seem to mistakenly believe. Rumors of players being payed and points being shaved were prevalent during Bryant’s tenure. It is alleged he in fact fixed a game once with UGA coach Wally Butts, a serious NCAA offense. Why has Alabama been the only school since SMU to be “seriously considered” for the death penalty if they are so “clean”?

Quite An Endorsement....

December 11th, 2010
12:55 pm

“I think he’s the greatest one-year quarterback that I’ve seen in college football,” said former Georgia coach Vince Dooley, who played, coached or served as an administrator in the Southeastern Conference for more than 50 years before he retired in 2004.

Some Folks are Above the Rules

December 11th, 2010
1:15 pm

What really kills the Auburn fans is the fact that Alabama accomplished everything that they are now attempting to achieve just last year — and they did it without having to cheat.

georgytech

December 11th, 2010
1:17 pm

SEC homer Tony! Past character issues alone make him undeserving.
Where oh where have the Terry Bakers gone? Funny too that OJ still has his.

How True

December 11th, 2010
1:19 pm

That, and the fear that Bama will do it again next year. National Championships are not a once in a Century affair for the Crimson Tide.

????????????

December 11th, 2010
1:21 pm

What really kills the Auburn fans is the fact that Alabama accomplished everything that they are now attempting to achieve just last year — and they did it without having to cheat

Even though they are in fact on probation right now & they were when they won it? Check your facts Gomer!! I got some free textbooks for you!!!

Explain This Bammers...

December 11th, 2010
1:24 pm

Alabama goes on 3 years’ probation for major violations in textbook scandal
Alabama, NCAA, SEC, college football — posted by orlandosentinel on June, 11 2009 3:30 PM

This is starting to sound familiar.
Alabama is back on probation.

The school that prided itself on playing by the rules and never getting into NCAA trouble is now on probation for the fourth time in 14 years.

This time, the football team was one of 16 teams at the school penalized in “Textbook-Gate” — where athletes improperly got free textbooks for other students.

The football team must vacate an unspecified number of wins between 2005-07. But Alabama won’t lose future football scholarships. The university will be on probation for three years for the “major violations” and must pay a $43,900 fine.

The other programs that were penalized: men’s and women’s basketball, softball, baseball, women’s gymnastics, men’s and women’s golf, men’s and women’s swimming, men’s and women’s tennis, men’s and women’s track and field, women’s soccer and women’s volleyball.

Before the NCAA made its official announcement, Alabama coach Nick Saban told the Birmingham News: “I’m really happy for the players we have in the program that this won’t affect their future, nor will it affect the players we’re recruiting. We’re always happy to be moving on, and we’re looking forward to the future.”

One of my friends up in New York, a big-time college football follower, emailed me with the subject line: “Alabama to vacate wins over textbooks.” His email said: “What are textbooks doing at Alabama?”

Pretty good line, huh?

But in all seriousness, Alabama must address why it seems to keep getting into trouble. Clearly there is a problem if Alabama is on probation for a fourth time in 14 years

Great Line....LoL

December 11th, 2010
1:25 pm

One of my friends up in New York, a big-time college football follower, emailed me with the subject line: “Alabama to vacate wins over textbooks.” His email said: “What are textbooks doing at Alabama?”

Tell the truth

December 11th, 2010
1:25 pm

Little Light Reading And Auburn has been placed on probation SIX 6 times by the NCAA for major violations- ties them for 2nd place among all universities. Seems like Auburn has a real penchant for cheating. JABA

Tell the truth

December 11th, 2010
1:26 pm

Tell the truth

December 11th, 2010
1:27 pm

Free Textbook U

December 11th, 2010
1:28 pm

Alabama on probation for 4th time in 14 years….Auburn has not been penalized in almost 18 years. Two words…..Albert Means….’nuff said mullets!

Tell the truth

December 11th, 2010
1:29 pm

Free Textbook U SIx times 6 count em JABA

Free Textbook U

December 11th, 2010
1:29 pm

This is starting to sound familiar.
Alabama is back on probation.

The school that prided itself on playing by the rules and never getting into NCAA trouble is now on probation for the fourth time in 14 years

How True

December 11th, 2010
1:29 pm

Ha ha ha!

Auburn*

One of these things...

December 11th, 2010
1:32 pm

…Is not like the other:

2009 National Champions

2010 National Champions*

Free Textbook U

December 11th, 2010
1:33 pm

Undefeated season….check. Beat the mullets….check. Win the SEC…..check. Win the Heisman….check. Make a mullet troll look like a fool on this blog…….CHECK!!! Go ahead and put an asterisk there just make sure you call us NATIONAL CHAMPS!! **** LMAO

FREE TEXTBOOK U

December 11th, 2010
1:35 pm

Answer the question troll. Is Alabama currently on probation right now? Yes they are so therefore an asterisk must be applied to yours as well? No….

One of these things...

December 11th, 2010
1:36 pm

Ha ha ha!

Wallow in it Weagle.

Tell the truth

December 11th, 2010
1:38 pm

“It’s some serious stuff down here,” said Dye.

He would know, since he was athletic director in 1993 when the NCAA whacked Auburn once again. In that summary, it wrote, “As a result of this case, Auburn University has become one of only three universities that have been placed on probation six or more times by the NCAA.”

The Deltas never got called on the carpet that much at Faber College.

What are textbooks doing at Alabama Anyway?

December 11th, 2010
1:39 pm

Maybe ya’ll can get a QB as good as Cam next year! Hear you can get one 28-27% off!!!!!! LOL

Ben Willis

December 11th, 2010
1:40 pm

We know what you did last Summer.

What are textbooks doing at Alabama Anyway?

December 11th, 2010
1:43 pm

Gomer Pyle would be proud of you! Gooooooollllly!!!

Ben Willis

December 11th, 2010
1:44 pm

Are you guys gonna mummify Pat Dye and prop him up in the Head Coach office after he dies? I mean, assuming that he manages to stay out of prison after the FBI investigation? ;-)

What are textbooks doing at Alabama Anyway?

December 11th, 2010
1:45 pm

Alabama goes on 3 years’ probation for major violations in textbook scandal
Alabama, NCAA, SEC, college football — posted by orlandosentinel on June, 11 2009 3:30 PM
Discuss This: Comments(6) | Add to del.icio.us | Digg it This is starting to sound familiar.

Alabama is back on probation.

The school that prided itself on playing by the rules and never getting into NCAA trouble is now on probation for the fourth time in 14 years.

This time, the football team was one of 16 teams at the school penalized in “Textbook-Gate” — where athletes improperly got free textbooks for other students.

The football team must vacate an unspecified number of wins between 2005-07. But Alabama won’t lose future football scholarships. The university will be on probation for three years for the “major violations” and must pay a $43,900 fine.

The other programs that were penalized: men’s and women’s basketball, softball, baseball, women’s gymnastics, men’s and women’s golf, men’s and women’s swimming, men’s and women’s tennis, men’s and women’s track and field, women’s soccer and women’s volleyball.

Before the NCAA made its official announcement, Alabama coach Nick Saban told the Birmingham News: “I’m really happy for the players we have in the program that this won’t affect their future, nor will it affect the players we’re recruiting. We’re always happy to be moving on, and we’re looking forward to the future.”

One of my friends up in New York, a big-time college football follower, emailed me with the subject line: “Alabama to vacate wins over textbooks.” His email said: “What are textbooks doing at Alabama?”

Pretty good line, huh?

But in all seriousness, Alabama must address why it seems to keep getting into trouble. Clearly there is a problem if Alabama is on probation for a fourth time in 14 years

Ben Willis

December 11th, 2010
1:47 pm

Look!

A shiny object!

heh heh heh…

Ben Willis

December 11th, 2010
1:47 pm

Everybody knows what you did.

Ben Willis

December 11th, 2010
1:50 pm

Q: How can you tell when Auburn is about to get caught cheating again?

A: When they win more than 5 games in a row.

What are textbooks doing at Alabama Anyway?

December 11th, 2010
1:55 pm

One of my friends up in New York, a big-time college football follower, emailed me with the subject line: “Alabama to vacate wins over textbooks.” His email said: “What are textbooks doing at Alabama?”

Pretty good line, huh?

What are textbooks doing at Alabama Anyway?

December 11th, 2010
1:57 pm

Q:How you spot a mullet troll?
A:He’s got his head firmly entrenched in the sand!

What are textbooks doing at Alabama Anyway?

December 11th, 2010
1:59 pm

Q: How do you know you’re dealing with a mullet head?
A: He won’t give Auburn any credit or due whatsoever….

dawg

December 11th, 2010
1:59 pm

SEC Fact Finder..excellent statement. Everyone on here should read your comment. BUT, my gut tells me we will never again see college football as it should be. Most of the people posting here have no idea what a student athlete is. College football is all about the $$$$ and me me me me and how fast can I get to the NFL. Wouldn’t it be nice if the NFL had their own farm team and NOT college football.

War Eagle

December 11th, 2010
2:06 pm

These negative comments have to coming from 10 bloggers or less, changing their username because the SEC fans does not have this hateful attitude about a soon to be Heisman Trophy winner from the SEC…Its got Bama smell all over it because I have blog with UGA fans for years and never read reaction of this nature from dawg supporters.

Ben Willis

December 11th, 2010
2:14 pm

War Eagle,

Hate it for ya guy. You (assuming that you are THE War Eagle) seem okay. You don’t deserve to be facing this sort of ridicule — it’s not your fault. It’s not the fault of the vast majority of Auburn fans, but, in the end, it IS your BOT running this scam.

MADDOG

December 11th, 2010
2:14 pm

War Eagle, it’s really UGA fans, Bama fans have better blogs to hang out on. This is it for Georgia.

All you need to know is despite the intensity of the Iron Bowl the players are very classy with each other. Then look at Georgia players, they got a personal foul to start the Auburn game and played dirty to the end followed by the GT game where they managed to get in a fight before the game started. They are truly a classless bunch of players who are out of control on and off the field and a group of fans whose mouths and imaginations are just as out of control.

49-31, WAR EAGLE and it must suck bad to be a Georgia fan right now.

dawg

December 11th, 2010
2:26 pm

madddog No it does not suck to be a Bulldog. I am UGA totally and completley. I am proud of every aspect of The University of Georgia. every academic award, every Rhodes scholar, the high ranking of this public university, the graduation rate of our athletes as well as the athletic program. Every football program has its ups and downs. If you are Auburn, you should understand the concept of ups and downs in sports. Something tells me you will not understand the concept of my entire statement.

gt4ever

December 11th, 2010
2:33 pm

Dawg,
I understand that you don’t have very high standards when you consider the football factory in Athens to have academic achievements.. Another dawg fan contributed what Vince Dooley said as something of high integrity….. What a laugh your school and your football team is to the state of Georgia….. Your not even in the top 30 in academic institutions, and your football team wins the fulmer cup almost every year…. Well, I guess that’s something to hang your bulldawg hat on….

dawg

December 11th, 2010
2:39 pm

gt4ever, My Dad attended Ga Tech. I see you did not. You lack the class of a GT grad. Check your post and find your errors. Bet you can’t.

gt4ever

December 11th, 2010
2:42 pm

not worried about any error in content, It’s all true. I did attend and graduate, as most of my family has done in the past….. But hey, it’s nothing new for a UGA fan to call somebody else classless, as absurd as that may be, just a typical UGA fan!

irish dawg

December 11th, 2010
2:49 pm

AUBURN FANS , YOU BEAT GEORGIA 1 TIME IN 5 YEARS AND YOU THINK YOUR SO BAD. IT WILL BE 1 TIME IN 6 YEARS, WHEN AUBURN COMES TO ATHENS NEXT YEAR.

John Heisman(from the grave)

December 11th, 2010
2:58 pm

I WILL try to answer as many of you mortals questions as possible.

First, I believe Mark Ingram was not shopped by his daddy, his daddy’s crimes had nothing to with his recruitment, Ingram Sr. did not pimp out his son to the highest bidder. Big Difference and absolutely no comparison to a father/son combo who has for 3 plus years used the system to prop up their lifestyles.

As for asking Bear Bryant if he ever personally paid any player. Bear stated: ” I personally did not play players, I had enough people around me to do that. In the 50 and 60’s we were allowed to provide a little more support through summer jobs, laundry money, clothing and other means to support a player while in college. I know the game today is beyond in comparison to what we expererinced in the 60′ 70’s 80’s. I personally think the little university on the east side of the state will always do anything and everything to get noticed, whether that means allowing young men to matriculate 4 or 5 years on campus and never see the inside of a classroom or with a diploma that will be useful once the student athlete is finished playing football. I can say one thing with no doubt and I know Coach Jordon who is in the bar here in heaven would agree graduating players is what we did and Coach Dye, and the ones who followed coach Jordon were more interested in using players on the field, passing them through the system to meet the NCAA requirements for eligibility and less concerned about preparing a kid for life after football.”

Thanks Coach Bryant for that explaination.

I know you Mike P as one of your handles is constantly changing handles posting cut and paste articles from many many years ago. I can go post articles everyday about every other school from the 1800’s to Present day regarding problems at each school, but that is not what we are talking about here, This is about a career criminal who as a young adult has poor decision after poor decision while his daddy( a minister- and believe me when I tell you the man to my left is not pleased with him using his great word to be used as a money maker as Cecil Newton is doing) has continually bailed him out with payoff, loans and blackmailing.

The facts are the facts and this young man is a criminal in every sense of the word. But once again we have fans from a school worshipping someone who only plays great football while the rest of his life is made up of behavior that would lead a person without athletic skills to serve prison time and a lifetime of bad decisions.

Sincerly

John Heisman….

And by the way Mr. Naismith is not happy with what is going on with his game either…

gt4ever

December 11th, 2010
3:03 pm

John Heisman

Good Job……. No discipline, No accountabilty, and No moral conviction! All about me, me, me…

War Damn Eagle

December 11th, 2010
3:22 pm

Auburn fans should enjoy the special on ESPN tonight, “PONY EXCESS”
What do you think they will call the documentary about Cecil and Cam?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwtX-4fXOyk

War Eagle

December 11th, 2010
3:25 pm

NCAA will be in no hurry to deliver Sanctions. I say it will take a year and a half minimum, before we get notice of the Sanctions.

Johnny Cochran

December 11th, 2010
3:27 pm

“Cam don’t know sh_t, so you must acquit!”

The Ole Ball Coach

December 11th, 2010
3:30 pm

“The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding
college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of
excellence with integrity.” Tony Mo one has more integrity than Cam Newton LOL

Gator CHOMP

December 11th, 2010
3:32 pm

Police Report is pretty interesting. Police interecept a text message from Cam’s friend, which advises Cam to DENY. Cam has been denying ever since, along with the entire Auburn Nation.
So far so good, but at some point honesty will triumph.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/cam-newton-report?page=0

The Ole Ball Coach

December 11th, 2010
3:42 pm

atltiger15

December 11th, 2010
3:46 pm

We don’t know everything that went into the NCAA’s decision that Auburn quarterback Cam Newton would remain eligible, but we can say today some things that we know happened.

After Cecil Newton admitted whatever he did – and we still don’t know exactly what that is – on the Thursday before Auburn played Georgia, both Cam Newton and his mother, Jackie, said in a meeting with the NCAA they knew nothing of it. Cecil Newton said the same. The NCAA could have recommended that Cam be held out of the Georgia game but did not.

After that night – and perhaps before – the NCAA did more interviews, checked phone records of Auburn’s coaches, phone and financial records of the entire Newton family and Cecil Newton’s churches and even phone and financial records of some close to the Auburn program. Nothing was found to indicate that even a cent had changed hands or that Auburn or anyone connected with Auburn had done anything improper.

The NCAA had hoped to have that process completed the week before Thanksgiving but did not. When it was completed, the process began that led to Cam Newton being declared ineligible by Auburn and having his eligibility reinstated the next day.

That’s where it stands now. Much has been made of the NCAA’s statement that the investigation is not over. However, there is not and has not been any preliminary or official investigation of the Auburn program. As much as some don’t want to believe it, barring something turning up that neither the NCAA nor Auburn expects, this case is closed from Auburn’s standpoint.

Obviously, if evidence were to surface that Cam Newton knew what happened or anyone got money or Auburn offered anyone money, things would change. But that’s no different for Newton than it is for any player at any other school. …

This from someone with ties to ncaa and AU

MADDOG

December 11th, 2010
3:51 pm

irish dawg
December 11th, 2010
2:49 pm

AUBURN FANS , YOU BEAT GEORGIA 1 TIME IN 5 YEARS AND YOU THINK YOUR SO BAD. IT WILL BE 1 TIME IN 6 YEARS, WHEN AUBURN COMES TO ATHENS NEXT YEAR
—-

you’d have to assume you’re going to get better, he he he. ain’t happening. my bet is we’re starting at least a 5 game run as more and more of Georgia high school stars leave their state and start coming our way. :D It’s a trend thats been going on for a while with players going to UT, UF, AUB and ALA. So by the time you fire CMR and start over, and knowing UGA’s lackluster hiring lately, it’ll be at least four or five years from now til you’re competitive.

now sit back and enjoy watching College Park’s own Cam Newton win the Heisman for National Championship bound Auburn.

btw, I wouldn’t be so ugly if UGA fans had class but sometimes you deserve a little late hit in the back and some extra td’s to make sure you realize you’re not who you think you are.

MikeP

December 11th, 2010
4:16 pm

I see SEC Analyst, Realist, whatever handle he’s using this week is back. Getting embarrassed once wasn’t enough for you, eh?

Heisman Whatever, I’ve only ever used one name here. Swapping handles seems to be a feature of the 12-and-under Dawg set. The links I and other Auburn fans posted here are current and directly address the Cam Newton situation, so they can’t be “years old”.

After months of investigation, the SEC and NCAA have cleared Auburn and Cam Newton. There is no FBI investigation of Auburn, and no “secret” FBI tapes. You guys need to get a life. You sound like a bunch of kids with your “The FBI will get you” stuff.

In the meantime, my Auburn tigers are 13-0, SEC champs and heading for the BCS game.

Cam Newton has won every major award a QB can win except the Heisman, which he’ll pick up tonight. Nick Fairly has won the Lombardi award, Gene Chizik is National Coach of the Year and the sky is Orange and Blue on these wonderful Autumn afternoons.

Man, It’s Great To Be An Auburn Tiger!

Plainsman Pete

December 11th, 2010
4:18 pm

Yeah, You got to love that text message intercepted by the police, where Cam’s buddy is advising him to deny everything. Nice!

Then you read that the reason the student didn’t prosecute Cam for stealing his laptop, was because the student feared somethng would happen to him, for bringing down a Gator player. Probably would have beentreated pretty bad. Would have taken some real courage for that student to take on the Gator Athletic Dept.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/cam-newton-report?page=0

Fuzzy

December 11th, 2010
4:20 pm

No way Cam could ever pass a lie detector test.

LHardingDawg

December 11th, 2010
4:21 pm

As usual MADDOG, great classless post. Keep on showing it friend.

Patrick

December 11th, 2010
4:27 pm

Mike P,
You guys are definitely getting Sanctions. The NCAA is a joke, but at some point, the truth will prevail, and Auburn will tack on another Asterisk. Enjoy the moment, before it is all taken away.

Bill Toomer

December 11th, 2010
4:31 pm

Loschak said Heisman voters should consider the laptop incident only if character considerations are part of the award criteria.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20101210/ARTICLES/101219957/0/news01

Dawg_Mike

December 11th, 2010
4:34 pm

$cam will be featured next week on the TV show “Lie to me” where the crew will try to decipher his “interview” with Chris Fowler to see if he is lying.
One problem- he never actually SAID anything, so there’s nothing to evaluate.
You actually have to DO the interview for it to be called an interview.

SEC Fact Finder

December 11th, 2010
4:46 pm

Mike P……I hate to say this…but it needs to be said….the only being embarrassed is YOU.
Look around you are the one who is changing names, cut and pasting, dredging up articles that are old and are defending a proven criminal.
But like I said you have that right.

irish dawg

December 11th, 2010
5:16 pm

auburn fans,24 seniors and CAM NEWTON gone,you will be lucky to win 6 games next year.

Elmo

December 11th, 2010
5:32 pm

You must be troubled by the integrity Clause Tony. Oh hell. I forgot that you are just another media type that licks his finger to see how the wind is blowing.

The Ole Ball Coach

December 11th, 2010
6:43 pm

The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. Winners epitomize great ability combined with diligence, perseverance, and hard work. The Heisman Trophy Trust ensures the continuation and integrity of this award. The Trust, furthermore, has a charitable mission to support amateur athletics and to provide greater opportunities to the youth of our country. Our goal through these charitable endeavors is for the Heisman Trophy to symbolize the fostering of a sense of community responsibility and service to our youth, especially those disadvantaged or afflicted. All assets of the Trust beyond the expense of maintaining the annual presentation of the Heisman Memorial Trophy are reserved for such charitable causes. The Trustees, who all serve pro bono, are guided by a devotion to college football and are committed to community service and the valued tradition which the Trophy represents.

If you voted for Cam you did not follow the mission…..

Bama Boy

December 11th, 2010
7:02 pm

Tony, hate to admit but he is the best player this year and I would vote Heisman for him. He turned what would have been an average Awbarn team into a contender. Which begs the question; just why did he choose Awbarn?

Hoyt Holden

December 11th, 2010
7:17 pm

If you need to be uplifted about the Heisman Award, look up Nile Kinnick, the Iowa running back of yesteryear. Read his story. Dwell on it. Read it again. What a wonderful young man. There was a role model. There was a hero. There was a man.

What are textbooks doing at Alabama Anyway?

December 11th, 2010
8:00 pm

Coach Jordon who is in the bar here in heaven would agree graduating players is what we did and Coach Dye, and the ones who followed coach Jordon were more interested in using players on the field, passing them through the system to meet the NCAA requirements for eligibility and less concerned about preparing a kid for life after football.”

You are conveniently forgetting that Pat Dye coached at Alabama under the “Bear” from 1965-73! You don’t think he might have been paying players then? Hmmm….. Do better research “John Heisman”!!

What are textbooks doing at Alabama Anyway?

December 11th, 2010
8:00 pm

Let Me See That Tiger Walk in NYC!!!!!!!

chip whitfield

December 11th, 2010
9:29 pm

Tony
Isn’t the Heisman candidate suppossed to be a leader and good person as well as a great athlete? This young man is a criminal! He had stolen property in his room which he knew was stollen ( a laptop) and then he obstructed the police in an investigation. He threw the computer out when they left his room to confirm whether or not it was stolen. Let’s not even discuss the cheating, since it has not been followed up on (suppossedly). Felons are not the type of people I want my children using as a role model (Heisman).

ADawgfan

December 11th, 2010
10:08 pm

Which is why I never read Barnhart’s articles…fat tub of lard

JdawgT

December 11th, 2010
10:33 pm

And the awad goes to...

December 11th, 2010
11:00 pm

Who cares? well besides Barhart.

Fan of the Game

December 11th, 2010
11:16 pm

The Heisman lost alot of credibility tonight. It is funny that the SMU Death Penalty Special was on tonight along with Newton winning the Heisman. I heard his dad has already put it on Ebay.

MikeP

December 11th, 2010
11:27 pm

Cam Newton got 93% of the Heisman votes. Gee, that’s way more than H. Walker got.

And no, Auburn is not facing sanctions. Auburn is not being investigated and is not been accused of anything. What planet do you dawgs live on? Did that 49-31 beatdown knock all the sense out of your heads?

Nice how the links that prove Cam Newton didn’t cheat at Florida come from reliable, established news sources. How come you haters have to go to sites named gunsmokers or tigerpoop or some such?

See ya’ in Athens next year. Piece of cake over there, Auburn’s all-time record there is 18-11. You might say Auburn owns the place.

Atlanta Gator

December 11th, 2010
11:33 pm

Hey, guys. What’s up? Thought I would drop by and say “hi.” Anything interesting happening today?

Fan of the Game

December 11th, 2010
11:34 pm

MikeP – The Truth is coming and it has nothing to do with Coaches, AD or players. It is your boosters.

Dfan

December 11th, 2010
11:39 pm

As Shults and Barnhart, and pretty much the rest of the media, gave this guy a pass on cheating three times, stealing a fellow student’s laptop, letting his father make pay for play deals, I had to explain to my son that somebody like Newton has no business winning the HT or even playing in college athletics. I fear that he’ll look up to these types of people. AU exemplifies everything that is wrong with this country, not just college football. The fans, media, apologists are just scum, plain and simple.

Fan of the Game

December 11th, 2010
11:44 pm

Sad day for the NCAA and college football!

Critics R paid to hate Everybody

December 11th, 2010
11:53 pm

Dooley was no saint either.

Fan of the Game

December 11th, 2010
11:53 pm

Newton’s Heisman is on sale on Ebay for $200,000, but they will negotiate.

MikeP

December 12th, 2010
12:04 am

Atlanta Gator: I do believe somebody has a good young, energetic coach. I liked Muschamp while he was at Auburn.
Kinda’ sad for these dawgs. The few good coaches they have produced won’t come back, the better Georgia High school players leave for South Carolina, Auburn, Tennessee and Florida and Richt can’t go over 6-6 with four top ten recruiting classes on campus.

Dreary days in Athens.

Square Peg

December 12th, 2010
12:05 am

The Heisman Trophy is getting to be like one of those rings you used to get out of bubble gum machines………it leaves a greenish brown stain on you fingers.

MikeP

December 12th, 2010
12:09 am

Fan of the Game
December 11th, 2010
11:34 pm

“MikeP – The Truth is coming and it has nothing to do with Coaches, AD or players. It is your boosters.”

Then by all means give the information to somebody in authority. The NCAA would be a good starting place for you because right now they don’t know anything about it.

Fan of the Game

December 12th, 2010
12:12 am

MikeP – They will do the usual but in 5 years the Heisman and the NC if you win it will be stripped. That is the way they work. Make all the money and then take time to pull the plug.

Delbert D.

December 12th, 2010
12:12 am

Stuff you have to dig for…

Schools with multiple Heisman Trophy winners in a 4-year span:

2004 Matt Leinart USC
2002 Carson Palmer USC

1981 Marcus Allen USC
1979 Charles White USC

1975 Archie Griffin Ohio St.
1974 Archie Griffin Ohio St.

1968 O.J. Simpson USC
1965 Mike Garrett USC

1963 Roger Staubach Navy
1960 Joe Bellino Navy

1955 Paul Hornung Notre Dame
1953 Johnny Lattner Notre Dame

1949 Leon Hart Notre Dame
1947 Johnny Lujack Notre Dame

1946 Glenn Davis Army
1945 Doc Blanchard Army

1937 Clint Frank Yale
1936 Larry Kelley Yale

2005 (Forfeited)

BEST OF ATLANTA

December 12th, 2010
6:37 am

. . . . . . I mean College Park right near East Point.

Best of College Park

December 12th, 2010
6:48 am

Enter your comments here

JdawgT

December 12th, 2010
7:44 am

Scim Scam the Flim Flam. I wonder how much Daddy Scam is asking for the Trophy ? I heard it was on e-bay already.

Poor Poor BullDawgs

December 12th, 2010
8:25 am

Whining and whining and whining and whining

Don’t y’all EVER do anything else besides whine and support a bad football program?

Your bellyaching is getting SO old

To Fan of the Game

December 12th, 2010
8:28 am

Yes, you’re right. This has a lot to do with Boosters.

But…. not Auburn’s

Watch and see. Mississippi State is going down.

DawgVoiceofReason

December 12th, 2010
8:50 am

Did anyone catch Cam’s line during his Heismann acceptance speach about (paraphrase), “people not knowing about what his mom and dad did for him “behind the scenes”". I about fell out of my chair and thought people would bust out laughing at the presentation, but somehow they didn’t.

Also, if the part in the Heismann description that was apparently added about “integrity” means anything, there is NO WAY he should win the award. If you overlook that one little part, though, he clearly had the greatest college football season of all time.

pffft...

December 12th, 2010
8:56 am

The charges regarding the laptop were dropped (do your homework)

The claims regarding cheating were found to be false

The pay-for-play has been proven by no one. While Cecil Newton has acknowledged contact with Mississippi State, it has not yet been determined who contacted whom. I guess you’ve NEVER know a booster to seek out a player, right? Geeez.

So, yes, continue to claim that a person is guilty until proven innocent.

But if you do, it shows nothing about that person’s lack of integrity. It only turns the spotlight on YOURS.

Voice of Reason?

December 12th, 2010
8:57 am

Reason?

Really?

You’re not even reasonable enough to step away from the bandwagon. Try thinking for yourself, son.

to 8:50 am

December 12th, 2010
9:07 am

What a dumb bunch of comments you made.

My mother died this summer. Over the years during her parenting and raising three kids on her own she made so many sacrifices. So many things she did “behind the scenes,” never taking credit, never doing anything for thanks or for selfish reasons of any kind. It was only after she died that we began to realize just how much she had done for us, right down to being completely debt-free and having her entire funeral paid for.

Good parents are that way. They do things for their kids in the background expecting and receiving very little glory for what they do.

So when no one laughed at the presentation last night, it’s because THEY realized exactly what Cam Newton meant when he said those words even though you, on the other hand, are a dense baboon. No, he’s not a great orator. He’s not especially well-spoken. He’s a football player, and a darned good one.

You’re grasping at straws by trying to twist the words of this kid.

How stupid it makes you look.

Hammystrung

December 12th, 2010
9:09 am

The Cam Newton Heisman will be just like the Reggie Bush Heisman. He will have to return a year from now after the investigation is completed and it is proven he got paid by Auburn to play there. The NCAA will look like morons once again. Do you remember the same exact scenario with Reggie Bush ? NCAA called it a smoking gun back then too.

Hammystrung

December 12th, 2010
9:12 am

Why hasn’t the NCAA put Mississippi State on probation for bribing Cam Newton to play there ? Do your job NCAA.

Wrong, Hammy

December 12th, 2010
9:45 am

Auburn is not under investigation

(Nice try)

Duh?

December 12th, 2010
9:47 am

@Hammystrung

Cam Newton isn’t on the MSU football team, is he? Albert Means was shopped to several different schools, but who got sanctions? Why the team that actually signed him, of course. That’s the way these things work. You are not dealing with a court of law, you’re dealing with the NCAA. Their mission is not to seek justice. Their mission is to protect their cash cow. You can berate all of the witnesses, you can argue that “everybody does it”, you can deny that any of this is even happening… But in the end, the asterisks will be delivered.

Auburn worked out a sweet deal. They went through the motions of suspending Cam when the NCAA advised them of “established facts” indicating that a recruiting violation had occurred that made Cam ineligible. That will give the NCAA cover when they decline to punish Auburn with sanctions. Auburn will get probation and vacate some, or all, of their wins in which Cam Newton participated. What Auburn fans really should be worried about is not Cam Newton, but whether the NCAA chooses to examine the entire recruiting process at Auburn based upon the information that was accidentally uncovered during the FBI investigation of Colonial Bank.

If Auburn is lucky, the NCAA will find a way to sweep that under the rug. It is already obvious that the SEC and the NCAA attempted to sweep the Cam Newton affair under the rug. Had it not been for investigative reporters exposing this story, none of us would have ever heard of it and Auburn would be able to celebrate this football season as if it were all clean and above board. Too bad for Auburn fans that it didn’t work out that way.

Hammystrung

December 12th, 2010
9:47 am

Here’s the problem. Cam Newton got run out of Florida for stealing a laptop (felony) and cheating on a test. So he has a rap sheet before ever coming to Auburn. Then his dad tries to sell him to Miss. State unsuccessfully then sells him to Auburn. Who doesn’t see thst this is how it happened ? We are supposed to think he required $180,000 to play at miss. State but instead came to Auburn for nothing ?

Hammystrung

December 12th, 2010
9:53 am

USC was “in the clear” as well with Bush back then. It will be proven that Auburn paid Cam Newton to play there. It might take a year. If Cam Newton was playing for Kentucky then he would be in jail and Kentucky under heavy NCAA probation. But since Newton is the best college player and playing on the # 1 team in the country drawing ratings which eqauls big $$$ then its okay….

GetOverIt

December 12th, 2010
9:53 am

What you don’t seem to realize is that the investigation was going on for quite some time before the media decided to get into it. Couldn’t take Auburn or Cam Newton down on the field of play, so had to try a media blitz to distract him and the Tigers in those last critical games.

It didn’t work. Get over it. The financial records have been requested, turned over and reviewed. There simply IS no smoking gun, unless it’s in the hand of Bell at Mississippi State. I’ll agree with you on that point: MSU is guilty as h.e.l.l. Why else would they report this in January and then refuse three separate requests by the SEC for additional information? Too busy hiding tracks and water-damaging cellphones?

The on-going investigation involves MSU and it’s why Mullen will quickly jump ship from Starkville.
Cam Newton and Auburn are clean. And while the programs that got crushed by Auburn this year still want to try to discredit Cam for alleged off-field actions (of which there are non), it doesn’t change the fact that you got beat fair and square by a superior Auburn football time. It’s time to just man up and admit it. The whining and excuses need to stop — you’re just making yourselves look worse.

Hambone?

December 12th, 2010
9:58 am

Laptop charges were dropped. And when did he steal one, anyway? He unknowingly bought stolen goods. Are you really THAT stupid? Rap sheet? There IS non, darlin.

Cheating (term papers or whatever) never even happened. That turned out to be false info from a less than credible (to put it nicely) source.

And Cam wasn’t run out of Florida. He chose to leave and it turned out to be a very good decision. Why stick around and play second fiddle to Tebow and get NO playing time? Would YOU have done that?

So stop swallowing the KoolAid the media is handing out. Research and get the facts on your own. Otherwise you look like a…. well, a “bone head.”

Duh?

December 12th, 2010
10:02 am

@Hammystrung

I don’t doubt that Cecil chose to send his prize mule to Auburn for free after he realized that MSU didn’t intend to play ball and instead reported the pay-for-play scheme to the SEC. After all, he knew that his big payoff relied upon getting his mule into the NFL. The $200K was just walking around money.

Did an Auburn booster pay? Maybe, maybe not. It is of no significance if it can’t be proven. The thing is that the shopping at MSU, regardless of the success or failure of the endeavor, constituted a violation of amateurism rules that rendered Cam ineligible to participate in collegiate sports in the entire SEC. Lawyers can parse the language of the bylaws and try to convince all of us that player shopping is perfectly acceptable within the SEC rules, but one really has to put their brain in Neutral to buy into that BS line.

If Cam had returned to Florida, rather than Auburn under these same circumstances, you can bet that these Auburn fans would get their heads out of the sand rather quickly and see this whole sordid affair for what it really is.

Dfan

December 12th, 2010
10:06 am

I’m just glad we didn’t go after Cam. Go read the police report on the laptop, and tell me he didn’t know his Dad was shopping him around. He stole that laptop, then paints his name all over the top. This kid, whose 22 years old, and finally gets to start as a collegian. What a loser. So Barnhart is saying that being a liar, cheat, and a theif, wasn’t enough, huh? The other candidates for the HT looked like REAL college players, they didn’t cheat or steal on their path to HT. Barnhart, my reprect for you just went out the window.

Bill P

December 12th, 2010
10:08 am

You just lost a longtime reader…..turns out your just another bandwagon sports writer.

Mr. Red

December 12th, 2010
10:08 am

congrats to Scam Newton and his father. Scam and Daddy have proven that the NCAA is as corrupt as any college sports program that has been under investigation and punished by said august organization in the last 30 years!

Grilleth Braums

December 12th, 2010
10:09 am

Speaking of facts, Cam didn’t pass for 3,998. According to ESPN, he passed for 2,589 yards.

Mr. Red

December 12th, 2010
10:13 am

Barnhart has his own agenda – He wants to prove that he and Americas sportswriters are more forgiving then us average Joe fans. No matter Scam and his Daddy have embarrassed college football for the last few years. Its all about how magnanimous Sports writers are for voting for a kid who could not get a break. Even though said kid is a possible thief and his daddy shopped him around like a piece of beef to the highest bidder. They broke the rules and he still gets the Heisman. Shows how little little Barnhart and the Heisman are today. Remember these are the same people who voted Reggie Bush the Heisman. How’d that work out?

Mr. Red

December 12th, 2010
10:14 am

Barnhart is a blowhard who doesn’t matter one wit in the big scheme of things.

Dfan

December 12th, 2010
10:45 am

You've got to be kinnding me

December 12th, 2010
10:56 am

I love all these posters who claim “you don’t know Cam’s character” … really? Let’s see: Convicted thief – check. Verified academic cheat – check. And that’s just what we KNOW. Well Tony, I guess it depends on which FACTS you consider huh?

gtforever

December 12th, 2010
10:59 am

What a JOKE these sports writers have become….

Rp;p

December 12th, 2010
11:09 am

Oh come on. Talk about being PC. Cam Newton is an out and out THUG. The Heisman calls for INTEGRITY…..He stole commputers, he cheated on his academics…..But you think its a leap to believe he KNEW his father was asking for cash…..He makes the Hiesman a sCam now, and the NCAA and SEC are jokes. We now know that CASH comes before Justice

TONY'S HOMETOWN OF GREENSBORO

December 12th, 2010
11:17 am

ATL is TigerTown:
No, we don’t know Cam Newton, but we know what he did at Florida and that his dad acted as his agent by soliciting money for Cam to play at Miss. State…..AJ Green, Darius at Alabama, and half of North Carolina’s team plus the kid at Middle Tennessee were sidelined this year with agent issues….This is definitely an agent issue also, why the different treatment for Cam….Could it be that it might have messed up the National Championship game the NCAA thought would make them the most money? All the other 4 kids who were supposedly associated with agents got punished severely, but a complete pass for Cam???….Come on NCAA, why the soft treatment for Cam????

TONY'S HOMETOWN OF GREENSBORO

December 12th, 2010
11:21 am

GetOverIt:
If they sought money from Miss. State for Cam to play, why would they change their demeanor and play at Auburn for free???? This stinks to high heaven…..

Duh?

December 12th, 2010
11:29 am

Nothing can, or will, be done prior to 1-11-2011.

Enjoy the holidays CFB fans. Nothing to see here… Move along.

Michael L

December 12th, 2010
11:33 am

Tony, you did the right thing.

Michael L

December 12th, 2010
11:42 am

Oh, and Tony… I meant to add that I am definitely NOT an Auburn fan. No Siree Bob, you’d never hear me screaming “War Eagle” or catch me tossing rolls of toilet paper into a tree. Not me — no way.

I just wanted to clear that up. I’m only here to take a stand for Truth©, Justice© and the American Way©.

Thank You

Atlanta Gator

December 12th, 2010
12:40 pm

“I don’t doubt that Cecil chose to send his prize mule to Auburn for free after he realized that MSU didn’t intend to play ball and instead reported the pay-for-play scheme to the SEC. After all, he knew that his big payoff relied upon getting his mule into the NFL. The $200K was just walking around money.”

I wouldn’t characterize Cam Newton as a “mule,” but your scenario is just as likely, if not more so, than one in which Auburn backers shelled out $200,000+ to Rev. Newton to get his son to sign with the Tigers. If the Mississippi State recruiters played this straight, and told Cecil Newton “no way, no how,” it’s just as likely that Cecil got spooked and decided not to try again. I don’t mean to insult anyone’s football program, but Auburn has been on a consistently different plain than MSU over the last 20 years. In some ways, I think Cecil was trying to take advantage of Cam’s relationship with Dan Mullen and Cecil’s perception of MSU’s desperation for a winner. In 2010, and in the aftermath of the Reggie Bush fiasco, apparently MSU is either smarter than that or just wasn’t that desperate.

Bottom line: everyone can say that the whole thing smells bad (because thanks to Cecil Newton, it does), but no one can say with any certainty that either Cam Newton or Auburn did anything wrong. Everything else is merely conjecture, guesswork or nasty smack talk from opposing fans. Given the apparent lack of evidence, there’s not much else left to talk about.

Joe

December 12th, 2010
12:46 pm

That must be a laptop under the Heisman trophey,s arm. Gainesville police did enough investigating, he should be getting out of jail now not a celebrated player.

One Play away Ray

December 12th, 2010
12:53 pm

Say Tony Blowhard, hasn’t Cecil Newton already been caught lying about this entire situation. How much truth do you need to see this situation as it is. When did the Newton family begin to be honest truthful people?

dawgfan

December 12th, 2010
1:18 pm

I still think that AU should have the guts to return the Heisman and to forfeit the games this year. They should do that because it is the right thing to do. It would also allow UGA to almost break even in the SEC this year and would allow us to have a winning season. For all those reasons Allbarn should do the right thing. Go Dawgs!

Yuck

December 12th, 2010
1:56 pm

Tony,

Interesting that you bring up the word “fair” when discussing other’s votes or non-votes for Newton. Maybe you don’t understand that the Heisman doesn’t just go college football’s best player, but the player that exhibits integrity. I’m pretty sure that eliminates Cam from consideration.

Auburn fans and Cam-defenders like you are doing a disservice to college football, by ignoring Cam’s behavior on and off the field. So congrats on justifying giving the Heisman to a thief, a cheat, and a liar….College football is a joke, so maybe it’s appropriate that we honor a scumbag as our greatest player. It’s sad and pathetic.

And as for the Auburn fans defending Cam…WTF…root for your team, but you don’t have to defend this guy. You can still love your team, but not love you QB. Ignoring his actions just highlight your poor character. Shame on you Auburn fans.

Yuck

December 12th, 2010
2:01 pm

Note to “this is all conjecture and can’t be proven in a court of law” crowd:

The Heisman isn’t a court of law, and no one has to have irrefutable evidence to call Cam a cheat, a liar, and a thief. So Auburn fans, deal with. Along with you undefeated season and NC shot, you have to deal with everyone calling your QB a cheater and scumbag. Deal with it. Don’t blame it on jealousy. Your team is great, your QB is great, but he is a complete scumbag and criminal. Deal with it, but please quit defending him like he is Mother Theresa. It’s insulting and makes you look really stupid.

MikeP

December 12th, 2010
4:35 pm

How silly that these dawgs keep talking about the cheating at Florida when three respected news sources have proved that to be a lie. Y’all don’t read much, do you?

Since you don’t read, here are a couple of quotes for you:

Lars Anderson, Sports Illustrated writer on Thursday: “My sources with the NCAA tell me this Auburn & Cam Newton issue is over with. It’s done. Dead. People need to move along.”

Joe Schad, ESPN reporter and #1 Auburn hater on Friday: “The NCAA is very satisfied with the investigation. Case closed.”

Meanwhile, Auburn is 13-0 and headed for the BCS championship game, Cam won the Heisman, Nick Fairley won the Lombardi award and Gene Chizik is National Coach of the Year. It doesn’t get any better than this!

It’s Great To Be An Auburn Tiger!

Auburn Fan 1

December 12th, 2010
5:27 pm

Mike P….
Well said. I can tell you have been reading many of the same reports on both sides of this issue that I have. Its amazing how many statements of I heard and I believe, but how few statements of an actual named source are used in all the hate.

Everyone else…
The fact is what Cecil Newton did was wrong. The NCAA said so, Auburn said so, and Cam even said so on CBS. While this should be punished, it’s Cecil who should be punished. The process required the NCAA to investigate and decide if a rule had been broken. They did. Then after that, the school must rule that student ineligable. AU did. Then the school has to apply to have the student reinstated. AU did. Then the NCAA has to decide what the student himself received, and how much was he personally responsible. Then they decide on an appropriate punishment. In this case they believed Cam had no knowledge whatsoever in the foolishness of his father, and gained nothing from it, and so they immediately reinstated him. They chose not to punish him for the sins of his father. That is fair. Cam worked with the investigators and not against them as in the Reggie Bush case, and if we learned anything from Dez Bryant, it is the one thing the NCAA wants and rewards more than anything else is when they are told the truth.
Should Cecil be punished? Yes. The problem is, the only thing the NCAA can do is to the student and not the parent. We probably have more laws in this land than we need, but in this case, the only thing that will truly be a deterent is criminal charges. The guilty parties must be the ones who are punished. Not the Cam Newtons of the future whose parents, coaches, or mentors use them for their own selfish wants.
In the end, the NCAA did the right thing by Cam. If the rules are not changed, and things or laws put in place to prevent it in the future this will happen again. I hope the next student is also treated fairly, even his he’s a bammer or a dawg. I also hope the rules are put in place to protect the student and punish the individuals who take advantage of their abilities.

tonybarnhartisamoron

December 12th, 2010
6:18 pm

Didnt you just a few weeks ago, talk about how TERRIBLE it was for newton and his father to be apart of such a thing???? your a freaking moron tony barnhart, how you even get national exposure blows me away with your southern twangy accent.. your fat and out of shape and its comical you are on national television at times? You should be working at Dunkin Donuts.. not a college football expert, guess we all should apply for jobs. What a JOKE.

lovethaSEC

December 12th, 2010
6:23 pm

Hope every fan saw the show on ESPN last night (30-30). It was about SMU back in the 70’s and 80’s. How that program went from a loser to a winner in 1 or 2 seasons. THEY BOUGHT PLAYERS. And after they were given a light punishment and warned, they continued the same cheating ways with recruits. And it was obvious to everyone. They were given the “death penality”. No football for 2 seasons (I think). Alot of sports people said it was too strict. I think not. If the NCAA does’t keep a close watch on this type thing it will flair up again. The problem ALWAYS stems from some overblown ego Alumni. We know then typw, “JUST WIN BABY”.

JdawgT

December 12th, 2010
7:37 pm

To ALL Auburn fans I’ll stop talking about Cam if you’ll stop talking !

SEC Fact FInder

December 12th, 2010
7:43 pm

Enter your comments here

Scam and the cash n carry offense!

December 12th, 2010
7:43 pm

If ya aint cheatin ya aint tryin!

SEC Fact FInder

December 12th, 2010
7:48 pm

Will Muschamp will announce Major Applewhite as his Offensive Coordinator on Monday.

Gus Malzhan will be name new Head Football Coach at Vanderbilt as early as Monday afternoon and the salary is a whopping 2 million dollars. Vanderbilt finally stepped up to the plate and is going to put a coach on the sidelines who will put fans in the seat and make Vanderbilt relevant again. It may take Malzhan a couple of years to make a dent, but he will need bring in his players, a defensive coordinator and a strength and conditioning coach.

The SEC East is going to get alot tougher in the coming years. Great hires by both schools.

SEC Fact FInder

December 12th, 2010
7:48 pm

should have type “named” head footbal coach..

Old Dawg Fan

December 12th, 2010
8:10 pm

How did Tony get a vote anyway???

Scam and the cash n carry offense!

December 12th, 2010
8:17 pm

I had not a clue what my dad was doing! Not a clue! My good character- stolen laptops, 3 instances of academic fraud leading to imminent expulsion from school- never mind all that. I had no idea. You believe me of course? Right?

MikeP

December 12th, 2010
9:10 pm

cam and the cash n carry offense!
December 12th, 2010
8:17 pm
“I had not a clue what my dad was doing! Not a clue! My good character- stolen laptops, 3 instances of academic fraud leading to imminent expulsion from school- never mind all that. I had no idea. You believe me of course? Right?”

If you believe what you posted there, you are the most ill-informed poster on this blog and that’s really saying something.

Ignorance on a given subject is excusable. When facts are posted in the same thread and you post contradictory falsehoods that’s not ignorance, that’s stupidity.

my name is mike p and i am a loser

December 12th, 2010
9:32 pm

that is all……go vols…..

Sautee Dawg

December 12th, 2010
11:34 pm

Tony if you have to do an article and the topic is WHY I DID SOMETHING!!!
That in itself explains everything, you have doubt and deep down feel a little guilt
and feel like you have to explain yourself and your vote?
The statement “My father has my best interests at heart” and ” I haven’t looked my father in the eye asked him about the money or pay for play”
INTEGRITRY Tony should be at least half of what the Heisman voting is about, about honesty, trustworthy, not how many TD’s you made. What kinda MAN are you? Those things should be considered.
Have a lot of respect for you Tony and no doubt about Newton being the best player. Not Hershel Walker caliber, but the best this season
But do not respect your vote or the cloud that will hang over this years selection.

witko

December 12th, 2010
11:51 pm

Wait a minute, I am scratching my ass. You may as well kiss mine as Cams. Apparently, you guys, the remaining ones, must have never taken a class in logic and certainly have not studied law. Give a serious look at the concept of inference. Occam’s razor may also be worthwhile.

Also, not Cam and Auburn have a certain history and therefore we did not start from zero. If I tell you my lunch was taken on the moon and the next person notes his lunch was taken on Ponce, we do not start from zero. One gets a preference. When one has only 12 brain cells that whole concept is beyond one’s abilities. So, given your kissing of a rather dirty part of Cam’s body, I shall send the mouthwash.

MikeP

December 12th, 2010
11:59 pm

witko, posting while under the influence makes you look rather, uh, discombobulated. Go sober up and try that again.

Occam’s razor says Kenny Rogers and Cecil Newton discussed money. Nobody else except John Bond and “Bill in Destin” knew anything about it.

Jeff

December 13th, 2010
7:11 am

I must have missed it…I know Cammie got the Heisman, but I DIDNT HEAR HOW MUCH HIS DADDY PAID FOR IT????????????????????????????????

MikeP

December 13th, 2010
8:55 am

The fact is, we got away with it. So just shut up! You’re just jealous of our superior ability to cheat!

It’s Great* To Be An Auburn Tiger!

CJK1337

December 13th, 2010
3:57 pm

tony – scam didn’t throw for 3998 yards, only 2589

MikeP

December 13th, 2010
6:06 pm

I see the age 12 and under “post with somebody elses’ name bunch” was awake at 8:55 am this morning.

Newton’s total offense was 3998 yards. 2589 passing and 1409 rushing. SEC’s leading rusher. Most yards ever for an SEC QB. As I recall he gashed several teams with both. He’s fun to watch!

Coach O

December 14th, 2010
7:03 am

Auburn is toast.

wballs1977

December 14th, 2010
9:24 am

Welcome, bitter UGA fans. Alas, you have returned! Thank you for your humbled opinions. Keep spewing your garbage about Heisman integrity and Cam Newton’s guilt (you all would make lousy lawyers) while we skip to Glendale and lock up another trophy in the big case. Your argument that Auburn’s wins and the trophy will be vacated is so tired. On to something new please. What else have you got?

wballs1977

December 14th, 2010
9:28 am

It’s a shame Cecil Netwon never paid any money. So essentially all he did (which was pretty sleazy, sure) was engage in a conversation about it. Where is the cheating? What guilt is there to be had? Explain this to me. What rules did Cameron break? Auburn? Anything? No. UGA, stop with the integrity bit. Look at your school. How many arrests have you had over the last 5 years? Integrity? Big time.

Coach O

December 14th, 2010
12:50 pm

OJ is innocent. The jury said so.

Coach O

December 14th, 2010
12:51 pm

The jury’s still out on Auburn. We’ll know something by 2015.

JHenry

December 16th, 2010
5:42 pm

Who cares what any of you think. The fact is Cam Newton is the best player in college football undeniable. All of you on here spouting off what you feel & think is not worth a hill of beans because none of you know for a fact what happened; not even in the Floriday situation. Just because his father made a mistake doesn’t mean he was aware of what was happening. Did you ever stop to think that his father could have very well made those statements without Cameron’s knowledge. Never once did any of the accusers state that Cam was present when the solicitation was made. From what I’ve seen on the field and off the field of Cameron Newton, he deserves the trophy. All of you on here passing judgement as if you’ve never done anything dubious in your lives. I say, “He who is without sin cast the first stone.” What? No takers. I thought so!!