Why the NCAA got it right in the Cameron Newton case

Just don’t get caught!

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Let’s just hope he goes to the NFL next year. He is not good for college football or the SEC.

And everybody watch him play TE in tge NFL. Just like Richt thought……..

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We STILL Run This State!!!!

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why now then tony? why suspend him 2 games after the allegations arose? he obviously knew about the solicitation before the georgia game. does that mean he played two games while ineligible? and why didn’t the ncaa just leave him ineligible until their investigation is complete like they did with AJ? they made a point in the release that the investigation hasn’t been closed.

and you can’t convince me that a solicitation to receive isn’t an agreement. if i ask for something, i’ve agreed to receive it. will i get it? maybe. maybe not. but if i ask and someone agrees to give it to me, i’m obviously taking it. if it were the other way around, ie a solicitation to give by a school, that’s NOT an agreement. but it’s not.

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Just don’t get caught is right. This ruling will open the flood gates now.

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First time I have ever pulled for SOS in my life.PLEASE end this story,USC!

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Here’s my question… CN wanted to go to MS Ss, to play for his old coach, Dan Mullen. Why did he end up at AU???? We know his Dad asked for $ and didn’t get it from MS St. Hence and again, why didn’t he go where his old coach, who he knew well and liked, is and why AU?

The kid is the best played in college football but this thing still stinks.

HBTD!!!

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@SuperB That quote comes from the same guy who said he hadb text msgs that Cecil had sent and his phone would show that call from Cam. Unfortunately the phone got wet somehow and he couldn’t show the msgs or call records. Well, you and I both know one phone call to the phone Co. and that a report is run in minutes. Especially when the NCAA is the one inquiring. Not to mention as a customer anyone of us can get that done. So, knowing that fact would be hard to overcome in denying contact I have to assume it never happened. I also would point out that this is the guy who knew Newton was shopping months before Cam signed with Au but still kept talking to Cam to continue his recruitment. Not to mention this is the guy who then tried to get the cash together by contacting the guys that could raise the money. So is he a good Samaritan for going to the AD or did he only go to the AD after AU got their man?

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What UGA and other fans keep forgetting here is that other schools (Tennessee and Oklahoma) both have commented that the recruitment of Newton was normal and no solicitation was made. In the Auburn case, no solicitation was made. The FBI is involved in this matter because of Kenny Rogers. He is a rogue agent and he was extorting money from Bill Bell. Even Bond and Bell have come oout nd said that this is a MSU matter.

The NCAA investigated everythng at Auburn and found that no one had ever spoken to Kenney Rogers. Also Auburn’s compliance department is considered one of the best in the country. Rich McGlynn, Auburn;’s Compliance Director, was the former #2 with the NCAA compliance department.

So sorry UGA fans, if you believe that Auburn was paying players then get ready to open your books because there are plenty of rumors coming from Athens.

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The reason Newton would have picked AU was they run the offense Cam would excel in. This much cash is too easy to see in a family like this. It would take minutes to see their entire financial life. So get over it, UGA just had a bad year and focusing on Cam isn’t going to make your pain go away.

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BB, Ask the Arkansas middle linebacker if Cam shies away from contact …… if he can speak yet.

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A BS ruling plain and simple by the NCAA. If Newton was a backup QB at Wake Forest, he would have been ruled ineligible in about 15 minutes.

The logical suspension of Newton, would ruin the SEC Title Game, a $300 per ticket game on stub hub, and 10s of millions of dollars in revenue. Not to mention destroying any hopes of a meaningful BCS Title Game, which dwarfs the SECTG in revenue.

So, the NCAA who always paints with a BROAD BRUSH suddenly is splitting hairs like high priced lawyers?

Possibly, just possibly, they know or suspect Auburn has much bigger problems than the Cam Newton issue, and this will be small potatoes when they, and the FBI announce their findings?

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So why why why did UGA go ahead and do the right thing and suspend Green. Alabama got a decision and it was over quick. Then Cam is Ineligible and within 24 hours they figure it out? What the Hell? Why call him ineligible in the first place??? I am not saying the NCAA wants the SEC to win but this stinks Tony. Stinks bad. If his daddy did it you punish him too. Why, well if you lie with dogs you get fleas. I can’t help to think if this was UGA, as a matter of fact this WOULD NOT be UGA. Another reason to thank our lucky stars for Mark Richt.

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Super B

That is all heresay and never been proven. Joe Schad says he knows because someone told him but no one has a recording of any call. Also it is rumored tohave been Dan Mullen’s wife. With the problems facing MSU and Dan Mullen wanting out of Starkville, this will not come out. They also face a problem with his wife being labeled as a recruiter, only coaches can talk on the phone with recruits.

The Thursday before theUGA game, Auburn, the Newtons, SEC officials, and the NCAA officials met in Auburn. Everything was put on the table. MSU was brought into this meeting by conference call and this deal was made. I believe that the SEC and NCAA told Auburn and MSU to stop talking. MSU had to as they realized that this thing had blown up in their face. I really don;t blieve that Auburn paid the Newtons anything. I believe that Rogers had tried to exploit money from MSU boosters. It is well documented that Rogers has financial problems and he drug Cecil Newton in. In the long run Tony is right, this was the only thing the NCAA could do.

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You are so correct. The AJC is a sad option for all of us. I’m also tired of Tony crying about this. You would think he went to Auburn.

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I too am sick of this story. Hopefully, for AU, and the other members of the SEC, this is the end of it….but I doubt it. I do agree that the NCAA did the right thing under the circumstances….at least today’s circumstances. That’s all a governing body like the NCAA can do…at this moment.

I’m also sick of these players being referred to as “kids”. They’re adults, and should be treated accordingly. They should also be held accountable for their actions.

The Navy and Marine Corp ran a facility called the Portsmouth Brig for most of this past century. It was full of “kids”.

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Major that is the issue now it is legal to ask for money as long as the son doesn’t know—are you kidding me!

Tony why did Auburn make him ineligible this week and not last Friday? Since you are Mr. College Football why didn’t you know about it?

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You don’t have to punish Auburn. All you have to do is declare Scam Newton ineligible. Since his father admitted to solicitation of money,Scam Newton should be suspended. Auburn gets no penalty just like UGA and AL. The only penalty is you lose a player. Auburn knew all this was going on and should have suspeneded Scam until the NCAA could make a ruling. Auburn chose the low road.

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Big Al u are a huge crybaby remember when it was 24-0? How bout 27-21? Better yet 28-27 this cam newton is too good to be true

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Scam Newton yeah right more like Heisman CamPain cause all these racist middle aged white rednecks are mad he plays at Auburn. I heard Cam Newton kicked a dog when he was 12 oh no he is just like Mike Vick…idiots

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Tony must be on the NCAA payroll. You have marched lockstep with the NCAA through this whole scandal. I believe you have made the transition from insider to part of the regime…

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“But remember that a slippery slope can slide both ways.”

A flat slippery surface can, but a slope cannot. Gravity sees to that. It would take energy and traction to overcome gravity, which is not a slide.

Silly Tony, stay out of physics and stick to football. Pfft.

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To all you Bulldog fans – Just remember in this country one cannot be held liable for another’s action, especially if they have no knowledge of the action. If we start doing so, talk about a slippery slop.

Most of what has been reported is vicious gossip and blogger stupidity. Sports Journalism has taken a big hit over this story. Whatever happened to “innocent till proven guilty”. Report the facts. Get the story right….

MY opinion is that Cecil Newton did something stupid at Miss. State (started a or got talked into a money conversations by a professional recruiter) (keyword – professional). Miss. State boosters were involved. This made Miss. State immediately ineligible but not the conference (per SEC rules). Cecil Newton got cold feet about Miss. State or someone told him he was making a mistake and he told his son to sign with another conference team (Auburn) or (insert name of school). Cam was being recruited by several other schools (SEC and non SEC).

If Cam Newton was playing for Miss. State right now, he would have been declared ineligible and Miss. State would be facing sanctions.

As Tony has pointed out, you can’t sanction school B for school A’s indiscretions. If that was allowed, fans / boosters from one school would issue lies about another school and/or player. The NCAA and conference would be chasing their tails with endless investigations.

If you look at the time line this kinda happened with Cam Newton. Cam becomes a Heisman hopeful and Miss. State and its boosters start leaking rumors. Florida starts leaking rumors about academic problems. If Cam Newton was not the phenom his is right now, do you think we would be talking about this?

None of us were “in the room” with Cecil Newton. We just don’t know. The NCAA, SEC, Auburn, and Miss State, have all looked at this. They have told all of us what they know and applied the rules as they see it.

The FBI and State of Mississippi agencies are looking into the broader “pay for play” implications, and the possible leaking of academic records. That story is far from done.

Remember – Justice is blind. This does not mean right or fair.

Time will tell.

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@no,it can’t…

actually, on the quantum level, a slope could slide both ways..theoreticaly

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Tony, is right that it is a slippery slope either way. Who cares its over, lets move on. Auburn is the best team currently money can buy! Alabama was that team in the early 90s, then Auburn tried in the mid 90s then Bama tried to buy players again. I don’t believe it’s all of College Football, it seems that the rivalry between Bama and Auburn becomes a lack of patience and bad choices are made among certain people to try and advance program above rival. Auburn seems to have been looking for a quick fix with Bama being on top and up to now it has “paid off”. Next 2 years will be the true test of Saban and Chizik on which program is here to stay and which was a 1 hit wonder! GO SC!

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what about his cheating at UF and theft charges? aren’t those enough to make him ineligible?

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Until I see something going up a hill without a boost, I stand by my post. Otherwise, it’s a climb, not a slide.

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You people are so obvious. For you it’s not about right and wrong, it’s about your seething hate. Talk about the low road.
For me, It’s Great To Be An Auburn Tiger! Can’t wait for our date in the Dome. War Damn Eagle!

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UGADawg83
Yep, Auburn is better than hiding the money. Yeah right. How are things at Thug U? And remember 49 – 31

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Auburn may play for the National Championship. The BCS may have had to take TCU against Oregon if Cam couldn’t play. If Auburn were 8-3 Cam would be gone. The NCAA and BCS have too much at stake.

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Nothing like being publically charged based on hearsay and allegations for something that I personally think was initiated by a “former” MSU booster and for which there is no proof.

I joked about robbing a bank to pay for xmas gifts yesterday to my husband. Go ahead and arrest me.

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No matter which side you come down on re: the Newton story….you gotta admit…..this one has “Made for TV Movie” written all over it.

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Depiaml

Just turn yourself in….it’ll save the city some gas money.

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’show me the money or stfu’

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whine whine whine..he was not known to be ineligible before the uga and bama games..inuendo doesn;t mean you sit a kid…the ncaa told auburn tuesday a violation had occured and auburn made him ineligible..then applied for re-instatement and based upon the evidence the NCAA has ( and if you have some new evidence send it to them, whiners)..they reinstated him.

You act like there would be some moral victory for your teams that got beat ON THE FIELD if only you could prove AU was bad..doesn’t change the fact you got BEAT on the field.

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The difference in this case and the USC case is, as Kincade said last night, the complete and total LACK of a money trail in the Newton case..whereas Reggie Bush’s Parents had moved from a little apartment into a $750,000 rent free house, which Reggie knew about..there was a money trail..

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Tony,
Great article! The thing that bothers me the most about this case is the TERRBILE and unethical media coverage from day one. It is by far and away the worst I have ever seen and someone needs to be held accountable for their actions. For insatnce, how does Joe Schad still have a job? Several weeks ago he reported that Cam newton had a conversation with an unnamned source of course at ms st about the money. According to the NCAA this report is 100 percent false and nobody is even bringing this up???? How can that be and how can Joe schad not be held responsible for such bad and false reporting???? The ENTIRE case pretty much revolves around his report that Cam newton knew and the NCAA is saying that as of now that report was 100 % false. It is beyond a disgrace for someone like that to be working at ESPN. I could go on and on about Thayer Evans, the cheateing articles, the tmz stuff etc etc. By the way I hope the newtons and their attorneys put the hammer down on Florida for leaking his academic stuff anyone since it is a blatant violation of the law. your comments will be greatly appreciated and thanks for all you do.

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The next thing we will see is phantom calls go against SC Saturday night if it looks like they are about to win. The SEC/NCAA/BCS Cartel has to keep AU afloat. TCU is their worst nightmare.

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unless the newtons have $200k stuffed in there mattress this isn’t going anywhere. even if they did have cash hidden they couldn’t really spend it. wouldn’t be too surprised if there were some clever way to launder cash in college football but until that gets uncovered, cam plays.

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Cam did not know? My A$$.

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Something stinks to high heaven and those entrusted to find the truth merely do as they are told. Thanks Barnhart!

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I can’t agree with TB on this one. Too much lawyer speak in trying to say Soliciting is not the same as Agreeing to. Bottom line is he was trying to shop his kid. And for those trying to holler “Cam didn’t know”, please grow up. If you truly believe he knew nothing of what his father did I’m sure we can find some fine doctors to help you with those mental problems. The whole thing stinks and I still believe we’ll have another “USC/R. Bush” problem when all the investigating is done. Because really….you now know he shopped to MSU, then you don’t really think they were the only one bidding or that he went to AU for free?

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http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=5872192&sportCat=ncf

According to ESPN, you are wrong Tony, they add, this is not a slap on the wrist, its a wet kiss on the ring finger . . .

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Watch out SC- You now have to beat AU, the zebras, and the BCS Cartel. You have a tough task indeed.

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I doubt they get what’s coming to them. Much easier for all concerned to cover it up than to seek and admit the truth. For Cam to be guilty would be bad for College football. Tony contributes to this

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Trisha- you think this is over?

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we kicked 12 teams a** on the field, what a ledger in the ncaa record book shows doesn’t concern me..

WAR DAMN EAGLE!!!!

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Good article.

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Sometimes it takes a special case to have the rules changed or modified. Sometimes they just get it wrong (see O.J. Simpson). The NCAA has found that “at this time” no evidence has been found linking Cam to his dirty Dad’s under-the-table-dealings. Although cleared for now, it ain’t over ’til it’s over. The investigation goes on. It was quite some time before the NCAA caught Reggie Bush & Co. with the goods. A new ‘Cam Newton’ rule may eventually be written.

Thing is, even if Cam is eventually found complicit, he simply turns pro (like he’s going to anyway) and rides off into the sunset with a big fat pro contract leaving behind some devastated school(s). Seems very little justice will be served if this thing eventually goes south.

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Time for the NCAA/SEC conspiracy theorists to calm down.

For a well conceived conspiracy to work, there has to be limited access to the workings of the conspiracy itself. Even if access is limited to two or three people, it is hard to keep secure for an extended period.

There are 120 Div I football teams, and 12 SEC football teams. Do you people really think this type of endeavor could be kept quiet….say….past lunchtime?

Coaches, and ADs come and go all of the time….in and out of college football. SOMEONE would have written a book by now.

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Like Tony, and I suspect the SEC and NCAA lawyers who reviewed this case, when I read the NCAA bylaw involved, I place emphasis on the word “agree.” According to all available evidence, neither Cam Newton nor his father actually received any money from anyone associated with the Mississippi State football program, but did Cecil Newton “agree” to accept money for his son’s services?

Well, no, apparently not. To “agree” to something implies an agreement between two people, a contract, a meeting of the minds, in short, the striking of a deal that both parties accepted and acknowledged. Here, the available evidence contradicts the existence of any agreement between the Newtons and anyone associated with Mississippi State. Cecil Newton admittedly made such any offer of pay-for-play for his son’s services to the MSU recruiters, but the MSU recruiters rejected any such deal. Therefore, there was no agreement.

The Rev. Cecil Newton admittedly made an offer to MSU recruiters which violated NCAA and SEC bylaws. Cecil is a dirt bag. There is no available evidence, however, that Cecil made a similar offer to Auburn recruiters, and even less evidence that AU recruiters accepted any such pay-for-play deal. Auburn has apparently banned the father from any normal contact with the AU football program.

The whole episode leaves a funny smell lingering over Cameron Newton’s college football career, but my reading of the facts and the SEC and NCAA bylaws is that the SEC and NCAA acted appropriately, proportionately and in accordance with a literal reading of their own bylaws and the available evidence.

Sorry, folks, but you can’t produce evidence that can’t find or mete on punishments for an “agreement” that all available evidence suggests did not exist. The only remaining question is whether the quick reinstatement of Cam Newton’s NCAA eligibility was appropriate and consistent with prior NCAA precedent, and I will leave that to others upon which to comment . . . .

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Cam needs to declare innocence at the Heisman ceremony. If he is innocent, why not tell us and put it to bed. This whole thing is sad. Still, I hope Auburn wins the SEC and BCS. AU fans are sleeping better but not as well as they would like.

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Tony, you’re in bed with the NCAA just like Schultz… Why can’t we get a reporter to actually ask the tough questions? This is beyond corrupt…

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Asking for $$$$ means you are agreeing to take it. Clear as a bell. Mike Slive is wrong on this one.

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Unless you are a huge Auburn fan (and I know there are some that think logically) you must say this is a bit fishy. If Cam did nothing wrong at all, why declare him ineligible? A violation of Cam’s amateur status occurred, so is he not ineligible for a long time? At what time has the NCAA ever moved so quickly? They take several weeks to decide on what to order for lunch. A 20 or so year old guy is ordered to go to a school instead of going where he wishes and he does not ask why?

I don’t think anyone is angry with Cam. He is a tremendous football player, and hopefully has turned his life around. Isn’t this all a bit too good to be true? I know the investigation is not over. I know nothing has been tied to Auburn. Auburn is undefeated and playing for the conference title.
And now it looks like most of the country thinks this smells also. If it is good to have the attitude of “us against the world” then Auburn is now in that situation.

I know people believe what they want to believe. As for Auburn fans you can “believe” all you want. Others will “believe” all they want. Hopefully the actual truth will some day come out.

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I thought is was made pretty clear at the beginning of this that AU was aware that this happened at Miss ST, did their own investigation, and determined to bring in $CAM anyway. So to say that AU knew nothing about this is incorrect. There is still no clarity around $CAM’s comments to Miss St. “I sorry, the money was just too much.” Then going to play at AU. Surely a reporter will ask that question after the SEC Championship. I bet the answer will still be no comment because the investigation is still ongoing. I still believe that there is incriminating evidence on the FBI tapes that cannot be made public yet because of pending bribery case involving AU boosters. The FBI and prosecutors of that case cannot risk any of that information becoming public yet for fear that it may lead to an unfair trial in the state of Alabama.

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What a bunch of whiners (DawginLex;MyA$$;ARdawg;JdawgT and Seriously) from a school (UGA) that is infested with misfits and a coach who has no control of his program or players. At the present time they are the most pathetic team in the SEC. They so thought they were going to beat us when the score was 21-7 but we just tore their hearts out and all they can do is whine.

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Whatever Tony, why don’t you get off your knees, close your mouth, and open your eyes to the situation here. It is evident that you, along with Slive, are doing your best to protect AU and the Camburglar. Too late though; no one will ever respect what’s going on here and what is accomplished on the field, however legit that may be.

Please come back when every recruit’s daddy or uncle has their hand out during the process, and uses the excuse that “Cam (or whomever) didn’t know I was asking for money.” What kind of precedent does that set? This is wildly inconsistent with every action the NCAA has ever taken in the past. Just a shame, a real shame.

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Man, Tony had to go write this. Can we say he graduated from Auburn or Florida and not UGA? Embarrassment Tony, you flip flop so much!

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“They are thinking that a high-profile player (Newton) and a high-profile league (SEC) got a pass from the NCAA just three days before a high-profile team (Auburn) played in a high-profile game (SEC championship) that was worth a lot of money to everyone concerned. This also had to get tidied up because the Heisman Trophy is going to be presented a week from Saturday (Dec. 11) and how uncomfortable would it be for the winner not to talk to the media”

BINGO…..Tony, read the NCAA bylaws. There is no question about what the bylaws say. Same with AJ or Bush or Bama’s guy…no question. The NCAA has lost it’s way and should now go away. The door to money for players is wide open. I think I’ll try that “I didn’t know” the next time I get pulled over. The most sickening part to me is that a Preacher and his family are the crooks……

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I agree that Auburn shouldn’t be punished for a solicitation which it had nothing to do with. So fine. Don’t punish Auburn U. Punish the Newtons by suspending the player. This will encourage future student athletes to DISCOURAGE their parents from seeking bribes. As in, “Hey – Pops -don’t do that – I don’t want to get suspended from my future team and disqualified from a Heisman Race. I’ll make plent of money in the NFL – don’t do this.”

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You are wrong Tony way off the NCAA would have never made such a terse statement as they did before the UGA game if they had not intended to disqualify him ,and they expected AU do follow their guide.But in my opinion AU couldnt because they knew papa and Cam would sing like canaries.So AU put out a gag order ,and got their lies straight Papa fesses up and Cam plays stupid.The problem with your analysis is this Tony NOBODY BELIEVES Cam did not know not the NCAA NOT YOU ,I HOPE not AU grads ANYYYYYONE SO THIS MAKES HIM INELIGIBLE RIGHT? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I SEE YEA forgot that tiddy bit didnt you? Just because the NCAA cant prove he dosent know believe me one thing they are seething at AU for lawyering up on this and not sitting Cam and one thing you dont do Tony ,ask Gene Stallings his make the NCAA MAD Tony you are way off on this one. Cam is a Thug and a liar.

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Good assessment, Tony. An interesting aspect of this whole situation is, MS State did not report the solicitation until AFTER Cam signed with Auburn and then dragged its feet with the SEC inquiry until August. Perhaps State’s refusal to meet Cecil’s “payment schedule” frightened Rev. Newton into silence with other schools. Deep Throat said “follow the money.” It is hard to hide, as President Nixon learned, and in Newton’s case, there seems to be no money trail.

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You think USC will bring this up at their appeal hearing? Hum? I bet they are working overtime on this as we speak.

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And one last note before I get back to work..

IF we win the SEC and IF we win the NC, it won’t matter one bit to me or lessen it one bit if other teams fans don’t like it…It’s a little like politics..the more the left wing whines about something, the more I like that something..and the more people outside AU who bash her, the more I love her.

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Whine, whine, whine. You lost, we won. There is nothing more to the story. All you uGAY fans mentality has lowered itself to that of your coach. Talk about a bunch of thugs – you rule the roost. I know of no one, except Ugay fans that have any respect for your program at this time. It has become the laughing stock of the SEC. You recruit all those highly rated players but they don’t produce because most arae busy trying to get out of jail.

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[...] (The nerve of these hacks.  Not a journalist in the lot!)7.  Tony Barnhart of The AJC writes that the NCAA got it right in the Newton case. 8.  The website SportsByBrooks writes that Damon Stoudamire’s situation at Arizona in 1995 [...]

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AR Dawg,

Coach got fired? When? Yeah he played high school ball with my son.He is Murray,s twin.He looks just like him.

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Did Newton practice with the team on the day he was ineligible?

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Trisha—-

Under the circumstances, perhaps some humility, and an expression of thanks to the deity would be more appropriate than several of your in-your-face responses.

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Cam and his Dad ride all the way back home together from Miss to Ga,And nothing was ever said after the Ole Miss game? How many hours is that in a car together and nothing said about the money? PLEASE!

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Tony, the NCAA didn’t say there was NO evidence. They said there was insufficient evidence. There is a big difference.

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Mr. Jones – An agreement (by your definition) was made between Mr. Newton and Mr. Rogers. The NCAA recognized that agreement and deemed it outside of their rules. We are arguing that the punishment did not fit the crime, not if the crime was committed. The NCAA has already decided that it was committed. I was disagreeing with Tony’s assessment about the agreement.

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Robert w Peoples,

I never whined about the game. I wanted Fairley taken out. If I was playing or if Erk was still alive and coaching, he would have been carted off in an ambulance.

I’m only sorry that Ben Jones missed.

Spare me the bull. You are going to sit across a table from me with a straight face and tell me the Cam Newton didn’t know what his Dad was doing?

If he had gone to Alabama or UGA would you not be syaing the same thing I am saying?

It is all crap and you know it.

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Bottom line, there is no proof of any wrongdoing on the part of Cam Newton or Auburn or its boosters. Right decision based on the available evidence.

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I see a very long probation for Auburn the NCAA as we are all seeing today is being made a laughing stock around the USA so believe me guys they will get Auburn ,they never had any intention of letting AU off the hook they are just letting them dig their own grave .It is true that because of Papa Cam was ineligible ,but the NCAA also knew they could get sued over that you must remember they were talking to AU lawyers but if Cam knew about his Dad shopping him he is ineligible ,so they cant prove the guy knows even though they know he knows so they make a deal we tell you his dad broke this by-law you sit him ==== lol 1 day and we reinstate him the next to kind of save face a little .But the problem is AU lawyering up and forcing the NCAAs hand believe me guy as a Tide man I know how vindictave the NCAA is they are going to slam AU for this.JUSTLY SO IN MY OPINION Auburn knows the deal .

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DawginLex,

Im pretty sure he has reached Rock-Star status.Im sure his church will be full to capacity-right or wrong.

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Who, me?

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We’re supposed to believe that $180K wasn’t enough to get him to Miss St, but he went to Auburn for free?

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Looks like we won’t hear the game announcers saying, “…and at QB for Auburn, Kodi Burns.”

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I sit and read all the opinions on this blog-either from AU fans or non-AU fans.The real story here is really no-one has won in this situation.Cam’s legacy will always be tarnished and questioned.Auburn will always have black eye over this deal.The SEC and NCAA will be seen a protector to AU. This will be debated for many years to come.

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TB,

Yes, I am one of the “Athens” people I assume you were referring to. And yes, I am mad. Not because it’s Auburn (although my opinion may have changed after everything I witnessed in Auburn on Nov. 13th) but because it is beyond obvious they are all guilty.

So the NCAA agreed all the Miss St. rumors involving daddy Scam were true except the one that involved Scam himself apologizing for not going there? Gee, that’s convenient. Daddy Scam is trying to shake down Miss St. for 200K, supposedly to help his church which is bordering on being condemned and then he magically gets all the money he needs? Are you seriously trying to tell me this is all just a huge coincidence? And nevermind the fact that Auburn owns potentially the dirtiest booster in America with Mr. Lowder to boot.

Give me a break TB. This is going to be a huge embarrassment to the conference as a whole once ALL the facts are finally revealed and the obvious is finally acknowledged.

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georgia87, the “agreement” language we were discussing and referenced in Tony’s blog was in the SEC bylaw. I agree with you that an agreement was made between Mr. Newton and Mr. Rogers to receive money, however the second party to this agreement would have to be the member institution (not Rogers) for there to be an “agreement” in violation of the SEC bylaw. Back to my analogy of asking for your car and the money in your checking account I could “agree” with my Uncle Bob that we were going to receive your car and money but YOU and I don’t have an “agreement”.
I will admit Auburn should give their lawyers a Christmas bonus but the NCAA and SEC did get this right.

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“If it is ever proven that Cecil Newton agreed to receive money instead of just talking about it, then we have a whole new ball game”

w….t….f?

This is about money. The big money BCS game is Auburn vs. Oregon. Once that’s over, so is Auburn. Alabama’s success over the past century has breeded corruption at a jealous instate school named Auburn. There are shady people running the show over there. I’m embarrased to be associated with them.

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I think it was a fair call. Now me and Cameron need to focus on his NFL career!

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Stop being an SEC Homer Tony! This is ugly ugly ugly for the SEC and the NCAA. Just stop already…

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georgia87,

The spped of the ruling was at the request of Mike Slive and the SEC.They wanted this issue resolved before the SEC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME.

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If South Carolina wins on Saturday, does any of this matter?

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**The speed of this ruling

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Tomsjeep88,

If Carolina wins? They will win!

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Tony-
A slippery slope by definition only slides one way–it’s a slope (we’re not talking quantum mechanics here either). Your hypothetical ignores the fact that Cecil Newton ACTUALLY DID what MS State accused him of. This was no false rumor to get back at Auburn for stealing their recruit. I suspect that if MS State was found to be lying about Cecil Newton’s antics, that institution would have gotten in a bit of trouble for it, whether or not Cam would be held responsible for his father’s actions. Also, the fact that Cecil solicited the payment should not get him out from under the rule you quote, since the only reason an agreement wasn’t actually made is that MS State didn’t agree to it! If the player’s family member proposes the agreement, then that rule should apply, unless there is evidence he withdrew his offer and repented. The line needs to be drawn somewhere, and is should probably not be drawn between the player and his father, in most cases. This is indeed a slippery slope and I have not seen any good arguments yet that show me it is not.

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Tony you are an idiot, please go read the bylaws….It doesn’t matter if Cam knew about it.
Cecil is a parent or guardian acting on his behalf, that makes Cam ineligible.
DONE! And yes, it is a double standard.

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MURPHY : Judgements made in haste will have varying consequences. No way a ‘thorough investigation’ has been done. Slive just got the SEC a stay enroute to a possible NC. Time will tell.

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DC,

All non-AU fans will always refer back to this issue when discussing the team of 2010.The black eye/cloud will always be present in others eye,s.

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roy jones

December 2nd, 2010
9:36 am
georgia87, the “agreement” language we were discussing and referenced in Tony’s blog was in the SEC bylaw. I agree with you that an agreement was made between Mr. Newton and Mr. Rogers to receive money, however the second party to this agreement would have to be the member institution (not Rogers) for there to be an “agreement” in violation of the SEC bylaw.

You don’t have this quite right. Rogers, as a MSU alum and “booster”, would qualify under the definition of “institution” because schools are required to have “institutional control” over their boosters. The issue here is that Kenny didn’t have money and wasn’t going to be doing the paying. Kenny was just asking for money on behalf of Cecil, acting as something of a broker. Think of it this way- you want to buy a house so you call up a real estate agent and agree to buy a house from them if they find the right house. You have not yet agreed to buy any house, so no “agreement” exists other thatn to buy from that agent IF you buy at all.

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Some people deal in facts and wonder if they are correct others deal in fantasy and are 100% confident that they are correct.

Thankfully the people in charge at AU / SEC and NCAA are members of the former group.

The truth shall set you free!

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Gen Neyland

I totally agree with your comments.

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Mr. Jones – Thanks for your reply. I’m sure that we will have to agree to disagree. The NCAA required that Miss. State “disassociate” itself from the “individual involved” (presumably Rogers). If there is a “disassociation” that implies a former “association”. Again, I don’t think that any proof exists that money changed hands. However, if those type things were to be done, this is the way it would happen: loose “associations”. The NCAA recognizes that and rules based on it in several previous cases. It just seems that the NCAA has punished other individuals and schools based on exactly this type of evidence and Auburn, at a very critical moment, it getting a pass.

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Murphy – The speed of the ruling is exactly my point as a Georgia fan. We requested a ruling before the first game of the season and didn’t get it until after the South Carolina game. The facts in the Green case were a whole lot less murky than in the Newton case. That difference makes me think that the pressure of the money is causing the NCAA to buckle.

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And, Tony, you could be wrong.

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It ain’t so great to be an Auburn Tiger today. The SEC and the NCAA my be holding a curtain up around us, but we know in our hearts that we got caught with our pants down.

Oh well… At least we won some ballgames in the process. It was fun while it lasted.

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FSU Tiger—-

That’s actually a pretty short time line, from late November 2009 to early January 2010, when Cecil Newton purportedly solicited two MSU coaches to when Cam signed with Auburn and MSU reported the matter to the SEC home office. Given the holidays, it’s an even shorter 5 weeks or so.

By all accounts, MSU’s recruiters told Cecil “no.” If anything, MSU recruiters are guilty of hoping that Cam would sign with MSU without any payments to Cecil, not knowing that the solicitation itself made Cam ineligible to ever play for MSU. That’s may show ignorance of the NCAA eligibility rules in the given circumstances, but not evidence of their intention to pay Cecil or screw Auburn after the fact.

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DC

December 2nd, 2010
9:41 am
murphy..honestly there will be no black eye unless AU has to forfeit the wins..if we keep things the way they are..its all good..

I dunno, dude. That’s a pretty naive way to look at this. I think any reaonable person, Aubies included though they’d never admit it, believe that Cam knew what was going on. This isn’t an absentee father situation- read the SI article about Cam’s journey and you’ll get some insight from the Newtons about the closeness of their relationship. Most people are going to believe that the Newtons tried collectively to get paid but got out on a technicality by saying “Cam didn’t know.” Right or wrong, that’s how it is.

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Plus, have you really ever watched/listened to Joe Schad? The guy is the ultimate tool bag. I’m surprised he even has a job with ESPN…

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JB –

Exactly. I mean, what more evidence do you need to realize that Auburn stinks to the high heavens. We’re supposed to believe a nobody coach that couldn’t even go .500 at Iowa St. was magically able to woo the pants off more than a handful of the best players in the nation? LOL!!!! Anybody that even entertains that as a realistic possibility needs their head examined. Like you said, Mr. 5-19 at Iowa St. managed to out recruit Meyer, Saban, Miles and Richt with his own charm and nothing else? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight………………

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Tony,

I am pleased the the SEC and NCAA have agreed that parents can solicit money
from schools or middle men to direct their children to a particular school as
long as the child doesn’t know- and that the parent is willing to be
disassociated from the school.

Thanks for this clarification.

I will be discussing this with my two boys.

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I’m surprised no one has commented on my earlier post concerning the Albert Means case…It guess it makes too much sense.

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DC, it just doesn’t work like that.

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Joey Rizk,

Actually Joey, conveniently enough the conservations with Cam himself were the only “rumors” that the NCAA didn’t find to be accurate. But oddly enough EVERYTHING else was true to a ‘T.’ Pretty funny, ehh?

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DC, Thayer Evans works for foxsports.com and his “reporting” of Cam’s cheating allegations at UF from a “source” was simply an attempt at character assassination. Reference the AJC regarding Richard Jewell if you believe the media “sources” are always correct.

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UGADawg83: It’s so funny to hear that you actually are against Cam Newton. I would be too, if I were a UGA fan. With half of your team arrested for various things, and all of them still playing, it would appear that you are a little bit biased.

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Good one Scoob!!!

Boneheaded traffic violations compared to federally illegal academic shakedowns. Good one!!!!

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DC, we don’t know what they have done. We don’t even know if they have concluded their investigation (not saying they haven’t). All we know is that they ruled in favor of Cam’s reinstatement based on the evidence Aubie turned over to them. This is very similar to the Julio/Ingram fishing trip. Bama found out about it, ruled them ineligible, the NCAA investigated the evidence bama presented, and made a ruling. They didn’t act as swiftly on that because it was the offseason, but it’s largely the same scenario.

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Now he’s whizzing in my boot and trying to tell me that it’s raining.

CFB is dead. Long live CFB!!!

Sigh…

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Bitter SEC fans (most notably UGA and Bama) will continue to sidestep admission of defeat by thinking Auburn fans are all nuts for actually believing the investigations carried out by two independant parties were duff. If it makes you feel better, yes, I guess we are idiots for believing Cam knew nothing about what his father was doing. You got us. We also believe, based again on facts, that Auburn successfully defeated every team this year – including your lovable Dawgs and Crimson (Wave) Tide. It’s quite hypocrital (and pathetic in its own right) for you to continue on with these remarks when the ink from your own benefit scandals have only recently dried.

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with the inter net and blogs, anybody at anytime can start any rumor they wish.Society we live in today

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why ask okl or tenn for money when cam doesnt want to go there at all. it was down to two schools aub and miss st.

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There is a precedence here look up the Albert Means case. I am not bringing this up solely because it has Alabama implications but it shows that a student athlete can play at another school even if they took money from another school. BTW UT and OU stood up and said they were never approached by Cecil for money for play. As much as I find it fascinating that Auburn seems to be the best cheaters in the land OU and UT aren’t angels, but they stated they didn’t have any conversations about money. So they are lying too? Also at one point there was a report of txt msgs that showed a payment plan I have to believe the SEC and/or the NCAA would have jumped on that and the 14.01.3.3 rule would have been play but low and behold it wasn’t so I guess that in the end wasn’t a fact> I would love to see a site put up all the allegations and the outcome of said allegations. Also the NCAA wouldn’t rule a player eligible regard of who or what they represent unless they were certain they had done their due-diligence. Also the additional investigation might be for MSU not Auburn I mean come on even after the pay for play talk they still pursued Cam…

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Murphy – I don’t disagree with you. I am sure that it did. The disappointment I would have is that the NCAA let themselves get pushed around.

FSUTiger – I did read that post with great interest. However, I am not familiar enough with that case to comment. If it is true, it would be a very interesting precedent. It still wouldn’t answer my objection to the NCAA’s explanation of why it reinstated Cam, i.e. “he didn’t know” vs. its treatment of Green. But it would give legal precedent, if they had referenced it and it is true.

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@ No, it can’t:

Yeah, actually, it can. You see, Cam is at the top of the hill. Now, either way he goes, he will go down, but they are opposite directions. Stick to physics and leave the logic to more aptly trained parties.

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49-31. Stop whining already.

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87, there were two legal experts on BHam radio this morning. Their statement about why this is different from the Green situation is that there is no credible evidence in this case that benefits were exchanged. In Green’s case, he received money. I also hears someone say yesterday on the radio that Green was not initially hones with the NCAA, but I don’t know if that is true. In any case, the lawyers argued this is different because of the “exchange of benefits” issue.

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FSUTiger, I went and found your post re: Albert Means since you mentioned it. Three differences: 1- Means would NOT have been eligible at any other SEC school per conference bylaws 2- Means didn’t step on the field for two years after the scandal 3- Here’s the biggie: Means and his family were never going to be the recipients of the money. Cecil is Cam’s daddy, which changes the game a bit.

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hahaha!!!!, it’s publicly acknowledged by AU. Do your own homework. I’m not your rented mule.

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Come on nilla, I had something started. Help a brotha out will you??!?!

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Thanks for playing Bill, next!!!!!!

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Nice article. I agree. If no evidence then no evidence. Guessing in this situation is not allowed.

But if we are gonna guess, I am guessing that Richt told Green it was OK to sell his jersey.

Just guessing.

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AU’s recruiting class is projected to finish in the Top 10. Don’t know if that answers your question Tony B…

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georgia87

It’s Wiki (so take it for what it could be), but it provides the best synopsis I could find online. Also, note that money changed hands, Means knew of improprieties (to put it lightly), and was still declared eligible when he transfered to Memphis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Means

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Auburn is the best in the SEC and by far.

Think about it, $cam had numerious tickets, a stolen lap top and got caught cheating multiple times while at Florida, His preacher man father asked for money from MS but when $cam came to Auburn he all the sudden became the perfect student athlete and the campus police don’t even know what he looks like, oh, and his Dad just decided not to ask Auburn for any money???

Yes Auburn is the best and by far. It may take a couple of years but something will come out of all that smoke.

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After South Carolina beats Auburn,

12-0 Texas Christian vs 12-0 Oregon will be a great game.

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FSUTiger – Thanks for the info. I’ll check it out.

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By JB: “Lastly, is the FBI done with their investigation????”

What investigation would that be, JB? There is no FBI investigation of Auburn so I don’t know what investigation you are talking about.

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Tony – Excellent column, This is one of your best.

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MikeP

What investigation would that be, JB? There is no FBI investigation of Auburn so I don’t know what investigation you are talking about.

Considering the control Bobby Lowder/Pat Dye have over there I wouldn’t stand too firmly on that, because their bank is absolutely under investigation as we speak.

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Scientists look at the same physical evidence and reach wildly different conclusions about the age of the earth and how we got here. Surely we don’t think we’re all going to interpret available evidence about Newton, AU, MSU, etc the same way??? People are going to believe what they want to believe. It doesn’t matter what they are told.

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FSUTiger

It’s Wiki (so take it for what it could be), but it provides the best synopsis I could find online. Also, note that money changed hands, Means knew of improprieties (to put it lightly), and was still declared eligible when he transfered to Memphis.

The people who got the money in the Means case wee completely unrelated to him and used him for personal gain without his knowledge. This is the same thing that the current evidence suggests about Cam and Cecil; it’s just that folks don’t believe it because Cecil is Cam’s daddy.

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“People are going to believe what they want to believe. It doesn’t matter what they are told.”

DING DING DING. We have a winner!

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I just hope that this whole sordid affair will encourage football programs to stop using my name in vain.

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I am interested to see how many voters leave him off the ballot entirely.

Cecil Newton…looks REALLY REALLY REALLY bad in this.

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JB, I’d imagine you’re referring to DeAngelo Benton? See Reuben Randle, and the role his daddy played in that decision. I’ll get you started, they attended the same high school, but Benton graduated two years earlier. Now you can do your own research.

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“Nobody just looks at a set of facts and makes a decision. It is always part of a vast conspiracy to keep the rich and powerful in their positions of wealth and power and to keep somebody else down. There are always larger forces at work.”

Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t all out to get you.

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It wasn’t me that caused those links to Rivals.com to magically disappear.

I just wanted all of you to know that.

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JB, the LA player was Reed and he didn’t “switch at the last minute.” But like I said, people (self included) are going to believe what they want to believe. For now anyway, the burden of proof favors Auburn. Folks can sling mud all they want.

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@FSU

No, he’s talking about Trovon Reed, kid from Thibideoux.

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Mr. Barnhart, you should have been a lawyer.

Legally, and administratively, it may have been the right decision.

Morally, it is wrong! Thus, the decision is wrong.

Is this concept too hard for you southern Protestants to grasp?

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Another Lesson – Thanks for the reply. I can only go by what the NCAA said. They said that it mattered. What AJ did was stupid, and probably cost Georgia a couple of wins. I don’t have any problem with him being suspended, even for four games. However, with the distinctions the NCAA made, I feel that they are being inconsistent with the Newton case.

rednilla – Thanks for the reply. I understand what you are saying, but the NCAA made the distinction of what AJ should’ve known and then didn’t put that same test to Newton, even though we are talking about the difference between a buyer and a father. That is why it smells to me.

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I wish Auburn wins a world champ.

But a rule is a rule. I guess in the future, some one can just ADVISE on AJC soliciting money for an amateur athlete, and claims in the end no money has ever exchanged.

This is not about Auburn, it’s about Newton who is ineligible and should be suspended. Auburn may get hurt as a result. But Murdoff’s wife is hurting now because he is in jail. Should we let him out of the jail considering his wife?

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What is anyone upset about here? Anyone who has ever dealt with a player or been seriously involved in the booster aspect of a major university football program knows that pay for play happens in some form most of the time in regards to the premium recruits… so there is nothing to complain about.

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Well there “dots”…If we’re going on facts, then know that Chizik was at Auburn for three years before going to UT because Mac Brown was well known for getting his coordinators promoted, whereas ole Tommy Tubs was not. Believe it or not, Chizik is the first HC at Auburn who I believe Auburn would have to force out since Pat Dye. He’s a man of great integrity and morals. Obviously, things could change in the future and I’ll sit here with egg on my face, but I’ll support the man no matter where he is coaching; kind of like my support for Paul Johnson of GT. I was at GSU when he was coaching there…

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I mean ADVERTISE.

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chizik was DC on TWO count them TWO undefeated untied teams..AU 2004 and Texas 2005(where he also was assistant head coach) so although I wanted Tuberville to stay, at the time, he did have a resume’ and a “ring” to show to kids…

I’d say the Iron Bowl showed that Saban the great can choke like anyone else…and for al you Bama fans telling us to get ready to be mediocre and rebuild next year..you mean like Bama this year? 3 loses, and 4th in the SEC west?

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FSUTiger – I read the Means wiki, but I found the dates to be inconsistent and the terminology to be wrong. It is an example of the worst problems with Wikipedia. I’ll read up on it and see what I think. Thanks for the info.

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The problem of course in the first place is that there are a lot of players playing in college football that are worth FAR more than the scholarship…aid they are given. When coaches are making 5 million dollars a year almost solely on the backs of the talent they are able to recruit. Coaches can dream up all the fun schemes in the world, they can’t do a darn thing without talent. Auburn would be a middling program with out Cam Newton this year. He’s certainly worth an extra 180,000 and probably 10 times that.

If you are playing on a scholarship. You are a professional ALREADY by the nature of the value of the scholarship. You are trading your time and talents to represent the insitition.

The NCAA simply doesn’t want to acknowledge that the big money sports are not amateur sports and they haven’t been for sometime.

That’s the elephant in the room. Not all the schools in the NCAA are created equal and thus fairness cannot exist.

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<emMMikeP

December 2nd, 2010
10:25 am

That’s just it. All the information out there has now been found to be total BS. A team of experienced NCAA investigators worked on this for five months and yet you think some bloggers with anonymous sources know more than the investigators do?

You are obviously not up on the facts of this case. 1- The NCAA ruling was based on Auburn’s request for reinstatement. It was NOT the findings based on five months of investigation. 2- The info isn’t BS, he WAS shopped to MSU, Cecil just claims Cam never knew.

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I don’t know about Lowder being off the BoT. As many issues as he has brought the athletics program, the man has donated millions of dollars to academics, basically building the School of Business on his own. I hate the influence he has on things, too, but we have to give the man credit where credit is due.

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Now AU used TARP funds to buy players? Is that really your new spin? Thats F’ing classic!

BTW Lowder was retired from colonial bancorp before it was seized by the FDIC… but as with every other aspect of this story, why the hell would facts get in the way …

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@just wondering

The difference is that apparently Newton had no knowledge of the situation, whereas Bush did.

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Who really knows there JB?! I appreciate the attention I’m garnering from you though! Lol. For now, I’m signing off and heading to the gym…I’ll catch up with the conversation in a few hours! C-ya!

WDE! Go ‘Noles! Go ‘Terps! and Eagles, Eagles, FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!

It’s a long story!

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georgia87,

Many have questioned the power of the SEC.This should answer the question on how powerfull the SEC really is.

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I missed the last minute switch part of the message. My bad.

And I wasn’t suggesting that you can legally buy that seat, I was just pointing out facts. I don’t particularly like him, and I sure as hell don’t want him running the school I love so much, but I don’t see any way that is going to happen unless he decides he’s ready to give it up.

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Whine, whine, whine. That’s all you ugay and bama fans can do. We beat you on the field and you can’t stand it. You both had your hearts ripped out by getting leads but you couldn’t hold them.

As far as coaches I’ll take mine anyday. Richt has turned ugay’s program into the laughing stock of the SEC. He brought Dowden’s mentality of win at any cost and he has done that by signing all the thugs he could find and that is why your program has deteriorated to the point it has. You are now known as FSU North.

You are just jealous we have a real QB and you’ve got a little whiner.

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Oh, I think they knew he would be declared eligible by game time, but the way I understand it is that the NCAA came to the conclusion that Cecil Newton had at least inquired about money, and at that point Auburn had to declare him ineligible and then then petition for reinstatement.

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TrishaDishaWarEagle

I’d say the Iron Bowl showed that Saban the great can choke like anyone else…and for al you Bama fans telling us to get ready to be mediocre and rebuild next year..you mean like Bama this year? 3 loses, and 4th in the SEC west?

9-3 against that schedule is hardly mediocre. The Barn will be lucky to be bowl eligible next year.

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Cam will be gone next year and AU will go 4-8

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Cam Newton better win Saturday.

http://thebubblescreen.blogspot.com/2010/12/cam-newton-steve-spurrier-zach-frazer.html

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Cam is here this year and we went 12-0.

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TrishaDishaWarEagle

BTW Lowder was retired from colonial bancorp before it was seized by the FDIC… but as with every other aspect of this story, why the hell would facts get in the way …

You really aren’t bright are you? Did I relate that to football at all? No. But if Auburn were to lose accreditation they get kicked out of the SEC altogether. Need some work on that reading comprehension there chickadee.

Oh, and it’s “lose” is a verb, “loss” is a noun, and “loose” means something else altogether. You seem to struggle with that as well- noticed on many of your posts. If you choose to misuse the name of the town “Tuscaloser” would be more appropriate. And one can’t have three “loses” either. Just thought I’d help.

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Oops, that was @Another Lesson…sorry, got the sns confused.

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rednilla

Funny thing is that I heard the EXACT same argument from Bama fans before last season AND this season. Matter of fact, there were callers to Finebaum at the beginning of this year saying Auburn would be lucky to win 6 games.

You guys are on a magic carpet ride this year. Next year you lose Pugh, Ziemba, Newton, Fairley, and Bynes. You go on the road to USCe, Arky, LSU, Clempson, and UGA. In other words, 2011 Aubie will be a lesser team with a tougher schedule compared to 2010 Bama.

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I don’t have much use for conspiracy theories, but it does seem strange that Newton was being shopped by his father and then ended up at a school that apparently wasn’t his personal preference (although I’ll allow for the possibility that he changed his mind). The inference is that someone at Auburn was receptive to Cecil Newton’s overtures, otherwise how did his son end up there instead of Mississippi State?

Also, this ruling would seem to establish a precedent where parents can shop their sons’ services and the athlete can retain his eligibility as long as he has plausible deniability. Just blame it on mom or dad and claim ignorance.

Something about the whole situation stinks, especially with Cam Newton’s shady past, but if there’s no proof that he knew what was going on or that Auburn paid – directly or indirectly – for his services, then there’s no basis for declaring him ineligible or punishing Auburn.

Why do I still feel that Auburn sold its soul for this season? And I’m a Georgia fan that’s always had an affinity for Auburn, so this isn’t someone bashing a rival just for the sake of doing so. I’d like to think that I’d have the same bad taste in my mouth if we were talking about UGA football.

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To all Auburn fans giddy that Carolina QB missed practice on Sunday and Monday because of a shoulder injury and was seen wearing a sling-He was back at practice yesterday and throwing the ball very well. Auburn might want to watch the film on the Bama/Carolina game,I feel pretty sure that will be the Garcia yall see in the dome on Sat.

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Why don’t people understand that this isn’t opening up anything. The rules still apply….if you take money you are out. They didn’t take money so he is in. It’s pretty simple really. It doesn’t matter if it was his Dad, Mom, Uncle, High school coach or whoever. There is NO MONEY!

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rednilla

They’re obviously admitting the Brutha Ministah made a play for money and laying him out to go under the bus. Please answer the question, if Cam is innocent pursuant to the NCAA rule, why declare him ineligible “at this stage of the season”? I’ll tell you why, If he is found guilty of anything including knowledge it is the death penalty for AU (likely booted from the SEC), a big pile of pooh on the NCAA and college football as well as the SEC and Slive. Look at this realistically and Cam absolutely can not be found guilty by the powers that be. All I’m saying

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Tony you are conveniently forgetting the allegation that Cam Newton told a recruiter that he would be unable to attend because “the money was too much” at Auburn. Did the NCAA administer a polygraph test to the person who made that allegation, or did they just let it slide?

Also, do you really believe that Daddy Newton solicited money from one school and then gave up when they said no?

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No arguments about the magic carpet ride, but the “lesser team with a tougher schedule” thing has nothing to do with your statement. You said Auburn would be lucky to have a winning record, not be worse than 2010 Bama. Make up your mind already.

As for the players we lose, you’re right that there will likely be at least some dropoff. It’s natural to expect that EVERY year when you lose top flight talent. Like in 2003 when we lost Karlos Dansby and Dontarrius Thomas. Or in 2004 when we lost Campbell, Caddy, Brown, Rosegreen, and Rogers. Or in 2005 when…you get the picture?

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I’d love to see the SECCG devolve into an on-field brawl with fans coming out of the stands to smash whisky bottles over one another’s heads.

That would be the perfect ending for this year’s “magical” SEC football season.

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rednilla

December 2nd, 2010
10:58 am
No arguments about the magic carpet ride, but the “lesser team with a tougher schedule” thing has nothing to do with your statement. You said Auburn would be lucky to have a winning record, not be worse than 2010 Bama. Make up your mind already.

Let’s take this slowly.

2010 Bama went 9-3.

2011 Aubie will not be as good as 2010 Bama, any impartial observer would agree.

2011 Aubie has a tougher schedule than 2010 Bama had.

Thus, 2011 Aubie will have significantly fewer wins than 2010 Bama.

Do we understand each other now? I think you lose at least four of those tough road games and the Iron Bowl, meaning you need to beat either Florida or Missy State at home to be bowl eligible. But I’m not ALWAYS right…

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What about FBIs investigation? Status?

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Show me the money!

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Unless Auburn is found to have given money to the Newtons, which has not had one shred of evidence even linked by a “source” in an article, the worst that could happen is the loss of wins due to the playing of an ineligible athlete, not school sanctions.

This is pretty much correct, though they could be in violation if Cam was involved, they knew, and they played him without reporting it. I don’t see that being an issue.

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THIS IS ABOUT KENNY ROGERS (part 1)

I think one main thing people who want to see Cam burn, is the ASSUMPTION that Cecil was the instigator in the money talks. ESPN has led everyone to read the story that way, and as always, everyone just follows the mother-ship without using their own brains.

Look at the actions of Kenny Rogers.

He admits to doing all the talking. He admits to picking out Bill Bell to contact and ask for money. He admits to setting up three-way calls and having the discussions while Cecil sat silently. He admits to sending texts to Bill Bell. He admits to calling Bell to ask “will the deal go through”. Bill Bell admits to all these same things (which actually tells you a lot about Bell as well…..why is he even entertaining such talks? Why is he having MULTIPLE three way calls with these men?).

Now add to that other things we know about Rogers.

He is solely responsible for 15 of the 17 infractions committed by Ian Greengross (the NFLPA agent in Chicago that PAYS Rogers for his services). He is accused by the NFLPA of falsely claiming to be an agent himself. The NFLPA as already made it known that they will seek criminal charges if possible on the activities of Rogers.

continued….

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rednilla

Listen and/or read closely
What I am saying is there is plenty of guilt here to go around “IF” Cam or Big Daddy Newton is guilty. Plenty of guilt.

There is also plenty other at stake. Slive and the SEC “supposedly” investigating this matter since last January when it was reported. Would it be a big deal if Cam wasn’t a Heisman candidate? Or if AU had their usual mediocre year? No, it wouldn’t have matter much and the usual slow turning wheels of justice wouldn’t have been sped up.

There is a “LOT” of face and a lot of money at stake in this thing going away with the good reverend under the bus. Do you seriously believe Cam didn’t know daddy was trying to cash in? Do you believe in the toothfairy too?

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Hey BAMA dud -all anyone has to do is read your posts and wonder how many years you spent in third grade? Credibility is one thing, stupidity is another.

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Is there anyone out there as tired of this story as I am? The ruling is done and overwith. Let’s move on!!! Talk about beating a dead horse. All three of the AJC beat writers made a story of this. Can we please get off this subject and look at important and positive things!

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TB, I guess that is why the Mississippi Secretary of State, and the FBI are involved, because nothing happened. Cheatzit has got your number too!

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ARdawg: All anyone knows at this point is that somehow Cecil Newton addressed the issue of taking money for Newton’s enrollment at MSU. For all we know, he was given prospect of gaining financially from his son’s signature, and he said, “Interesting.”

At this point, it’s nothing but speculation. You guys are just grasping at any straw you can to make yourselves feel better.

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Tony, should UNC be sanctioned if individual players, unbeknownst to the University, committed violations and were duly punished? And given what we know about the individuals involved and their punishments, do you see a case for lack of institutional control? Pls respond.

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@DIT

You can silence the press and condemn the messengers — but you can’t put this genie back in the bottle. Everyone knows now. It’s too late. This story will never go away. It’s already written into history.

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Good, well-reasoned analysis, Mr. Barnhart.

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rednilla

December 2nd, 2010
11:16 am
ARdawg: All anyone knows at this point is that somehow Cecil Newton addressed the issue of taking money for Newton’s enrollment at MSU. For all we know, he was given prospect of gaining financially from his son’s signature, and he said, “Interesting.”

Except that’s not what the facts bear out.

At this point, it’s nothing but speculation. You guys are just grasping at any straw you can to make yourselves feel better.

Uh, I think the cliche about the black pot and kettle was coined for statements like this.

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Cecil Newton said “no comment” on all issues, correct? Why would he say no comment then? Also, Carmeron said “no comment” regarding the cheating on tests at FL. A day or two later the facts came out that he cheated numerous times on tests.

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Like they say in the SECheat…if you ain’t cheating, you haven’t been caught. $EC $SEC $EC!

NCAA cleared this so quickly so as to avoid a TCU Stanford NC game. It’s all about the money isn’t it. Everyone knows money changes hands behind the scenes in the good ol’ boy Bama south.

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This is the most disturbing ruling from the NCAA in a long time.

Further evidence of the stink that major college football, the SEC, and NCAA have become (along with their $100 million corporate partner, ESPN)

Everyone knows programs like Auburn, etc. cheat, and everyone knows that the SEC office supports it.

It’s the NCAA’s job to enforce it’s rules evenly and fairly.
How dissapointing in this case.

Does anyone think they would have made the same ruling if this involved a school like Cal, Stanford, Miami, GT, Arizona, Maryland, etc.?

And of course Tony defends it. He makes a living portraying himself as an insider of the game, while actually performing the job of public relations and marketing.

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Face it….trying to prove a point and defend on an open blog? Hopeless and a waste of time. Speaking hypothetically, there could be videotape that would in some fashion vindicate Cam Newton and the faceless bloggers on here will try to poke holes in it for whatever personal agendas they have.

Who knows what will happen in the future? Doesn’t matter. Football is entertainment, a great game most of us on here love to watch. Enjoy the moment Saturday AU and USC fans whether you are at the game, at a bar, at home with friends, whatever. It will be an electric atmosphere that 10 other teams in the conference would’ve loved to be a part of.

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@MAJOR

December 2nd, 2010
7:22 am
What UGA and other fans keep forgetting here is that other schools (Tennessee and Oklahoma) both have commented that the recruitment of Newton was normal and no solicitation was made. In the Auburn case, no solicitation was made.

This is not a forum for facts or reasoning so lets just not talk about rational things on here.

This is a forum for speculation, conspiracy and investigate’n the rumors that have to be true because the NCAA is always out to cheat somebody–mostly Georgia. I’m absolutely amazed at this army of civilian detetectives, stirred into a mob frezy by the “REAL SCAM–JOE SCHAD”. Every day it’s something new–or old facts re-interpreted by the masses of haters.

Give it a rest already. This kid has had the most dominant season of any plater in memory and its been ruined by the ambition of THE REAL SCAM–JOE SCHAD. He has consistantly encouraged viewers to read between the lines of his stories. I’m very disappointed in ESPN for not jerking on his leash long ago. If you want conspiracy or agenda, I’d look to ESPN

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Very well said, BleedAU. On that note, I think I’m going to let the flamers flame and get back to my life.

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Still trying to figure out how AJ got 4 games suspension for selling his own property to a collecter. What if he had sold his, say, bedsheets to the same guy? Would he still have gotten suspended?

When the FBI hands over the wiretaps from the bribery case involving the Auburn boosters, 2 of which (Milton McGregor, Robert Geddie) have already been arrested, the crap is gonna hit the fan at Auburn:

http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/messagetopic.asp?p=22778676

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Murphy, you have to be the only Garcia supporter left in the country…not many USC fans trust the kid…

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To Renilla, BleedAU, and other Auburn graduates, fans, and supporters, I do appreciate and respect the intelligent discussion on your part rather than the ignorant “War Eagle” retort with “head in the sand.”

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It may be the correct ruling but it still seems like an odd one. The NCAA just basically said that if your parents want to try to sell you to a college then its OK as long as you don’t know about it (or pretend not to know). If that is the rule then the rule really needs to change. Dez Bryant got suspended for a whole season for working out with Deion Sanders (and lying about it). It really seems like the NCAA makes up punishments and rules as they go along.

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@Joey
re: Still trying to figure out how AJ got 4 games suspension for selling his own property to a collecter. What if he had sold his, say, bedsheets to the same guy? Would he still have gotten suspended?

Ok Joey I’ll say this slowly. Yes he would have gotten suspended for selling bedsheets to an agent–or his runner–for $1000.

So many rants in my head for that one, but I will just let that one soak in for minute.

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Laughable rationale

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Two things
1) Is Saint Simons just stupid?
2) We get notification as fans not to talk to recruits that could cause problems for the university, but if dad pimps you out it is ok.

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Watch the clip Dirty Dawg. You make me laugh.

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BIG QUESTION FOR OUR RATIONAL READERS: Does pimp daddy go to NYC for the Heisman presentation? The Heisman is in no way related to the NCAA so it can do what it wants.

Cam needs to realize he’s a man now and tell daddy to do the smart thing here. Do the right thing. Stay home and work on your sermon. I’ll take momma and big brother to the big city.

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@ Joey

Actually yes he did tell her.

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Joey

Of course not, just like he won’t tell her how his dad, despite a “meager house and church” showed up for an ESPN interview with Chris Low, Pat Forde and others, driving a new $60,000 truck.

See, that’s all conjecture and doesn’t help the circumstance.

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Even about the $60,000 truck, aubie#1?

I would like to hear that explanation!

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Jealousy is the outburst of impassioned feelings over the need to control something or someone else. The emotion of jealousy suggests an exaggerated egoism, A READINESS TO INFER THE WORST CONCERNING ANOTHER, a disposition to interpret trifles ungenerously, TO BEGRUDGE THE SUCCESS OF OTHERS AND FEEL A SECRET SATISFACTION IN THEIR FAILURE.
Jealousy is clearly a destructive emotion and has traditionally been referred to as one of the “seven deadly sins.”
Jealousy has its roots in feelings of inadequacy, self-doubt, low self esteem, and a lack of security. A perception that the distribution of power is uneven in a relationship is often the culprit in jealousy.
Jealousy tends to be more prominent in men than in women, particularly if the male desires power, title and position. (Borrowed from another source)
Does this sound familiar to anyone posting here?

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The truck had gold wheels.

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Fan of SEC…the problem with your comment is that was never confirmed by anyone. It was a rumor.

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DC,

Im throwing all my chips into the Carolina basket on Sat! Im all in. Hope I dont eat crow on this one. lol

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3rdn8 says
“I don’t know where the money went. I do know a woman who is a reporter for a newspaper in the College Park area …She stated that Mr. Newton showed her the largest organ she’d ever seen inside of a church building.”

I don’t know where the money (if there was any) went either. I do know that’s the funniest post to this blog (in one guy’s humble opinion).

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It is a sports blog, Joey. It’s NOT a bullchit blog though.

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@Smokeybird.
You make a good point but I’m guessing that the NCAA governs the schools and it’s the schools job to discipline the player. But that’s only a guess. But either way, I think the NCAA’s position is that Cam didn’t break the rules, pimp daddy did without his knowledge.

Honestly, there’s 18 tons of speculation and no real evidence that Cam did anything wrong. I’ve seen many many athletes over the years that were living way above their means. i.e. every one knew that they were taking money. But without proof, a small NCAA investigative staff can’t run down every rumor and come up with proof enough to suspend them.

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Not to mention we pay the coaches $5 million dollars a year now. What happened to the days when a coach was actually a teacher & an educator too lol. Then these agents prey on kids by offering them anything they want & unfortunately sometimes their parents & relatives are the first ones with their hands out. What a shame, to try to punish a kid for the actions of others. Wouldn’t have been right IMO

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There’s a a solution for all this:

Sub-divide Division 1 football again.

Put the SEC and Big Ten together where they can pay players, cheat, allow professionals to play, and let kids that can’t read and write play. The conference offices can use their legal resources to defend it and rig as many games as needed to produce an undefeated champion. ESPN and their corporate partners can market it as “The Best College (age) Football”, and media types like Tony, et.al. can continusly defende it.

You know, just like they do today, nothing has to change here.

Then let the remaining NCAA members and college athletes compete on a level playing field.

On second thought, we could accomplish the same thing if all the schools outside of the SEC and Big Ten moved to FCS from FBS.

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Amazing. The NCAA just made it possible for anyone with a blue-chip prospect to shop that player without fear of real punishment. Football player … hoops player — doesn’t matter. All you have to do is say the kid didn’t have a clue about the sales price and it’s like nothing happened. Plausible deniability.

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Back in 2004, the NCAA realized that Auburn in the championship game would hurt ratings just as TCU would hurt this year’s ratings.

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Old School

December 2nd, 2010
12:08 pm
Amazing. The NCAA just made it possible for anyone with a blue-chip prospect to shop that player without fear of real punishment. Football player … hoops player — doesn’t matter. All you have to do is say the kid didn’t have a clue about the sales price and it’s like nothing happened. Plausible deniability.

As long as no one actually got any money.

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Nick, lol, you need to learn to spell first. Also try using your real name.

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One more thing for all you detectives throwin down on Barnhart. He initially went the other way on this thing. Then he gathered facts and ignored unsubstantiated rumors and tried to look at it from the perspective of the NCAA investigators. Just like most rational people would do.

Seriously folks. When you think along those lines, what would you do if you’re the NCAA. Say “We’re pretty darn sure Cam had to have knowledge because of unsubstantiated rumors”. Don’t you think that if there was ANY hard evidence that JOE THE SCAM SCHAD would have presented it by now.

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Non sequitur. Twisted ‘logic.’

By your ‘reckoning’ the Portland Christmas Tree Lighting Ceremony bomber should not be prosecuted because there was no bomb.

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You are part of the whole college football problem. “Mr. College Football”. It use to be great but now its just the same nonsense every year.. So are you for a playoff or not because every week you are on a different side. Also, players like Cam Newton and their fathers are prime examples of what kids think..do what you want and get away with it…as long as it makes money.

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Bama Dud, I think you missed my point.

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JPTigers

December 2nd, 2010
12:20 pm
Then Rogers says “I have text messages” but ” Oh my phone was water damaged”. He might as well have said “My dog ate my homework”lol All u have to is contact your phone provider & they keep records of all your messages!

Nope, nope, and nope.

Bell’s phone was water damaged, not Kenny’s. That came out because Bell said Kenny was lying about talking to him. Cecil and Kenny both did a horrible job covering up their shenanigans. And call your cell provider to get retrieve your own text messages. Know what they’ll tell you? Get a subpoena. I know this firsthand.

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Old Timer

December 2nd, 2010
12:22 pm
Bama Dud, I think you missed my point.

Nah, I got it. You’re an ACC whiner, I was just humoring you. Run along now.

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5IML

In the past, the parents and the student-athlete were treated as one person. Until yesterday, student-athletes (and sometimes schools) were held accountable the misdeeds of parents. That all changed yesterday.

Egg Zack Lee

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Let’s say the FBI releases a statement this afternoon that they have hard evidence of a money trasfer from a Miss St. alumni to Cecil Newton.

How long do you think it would take for Auburn’s sports marketing dept. to issue a statement that Cam knew nothing about it?

How long would it take for the SEC office and lawyers to issue a statement that it is not a violation of SEC and NCAA rules?

And how long do you think would it take our local media Ho, Mr. College Football Apologist, to defend it?

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Old Timer, he would be immediately ineligible and Missy State would be in serious trouble. No defense for that.

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Someone is watching too much Law and Order

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So here’s the “deal” and just another thing Tony “the Goober” Barnhart has conveniently avoided

Auburn declared Cam ineligible. Two days later the NCAA has declared Cam eligible.This basically puts AU in the clear not matter what may or may not come out later as to Cam’s innocents or guilt. The NCAA is stating Cam is okay to play and regardless of what may happen later or come to light later AU will not be responsible because that onus now rests on the NCAA.

Who among us see’s a problem with that? Does this mean that even if Cam knew his father was pimping him to Missy St. AU can not be punished even if they knew? I say yes. The only thing that would save AU’s bacon here is “if” they did not pay Cam nor was solicited to pay Cam.

AU is in the clear, Cam will be gone in 6 weeks and any more fall out will be on the SEC, NCAA and Slive. Does anyone think there will be some?

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ARDawg, new evidence would change everything. Say it came out that Lowder paid Cecil. Auburn would absolutely have sanctions.

Aubies, I did not say I think that happened.

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Tony,

You forgot Chapel Hill. UNC has been sitting around all year waiting on NCAA rulings and were forced to sit many players out of precaution which has ruined what should have been a brilliant season.

But everything is put on hold to push Auburn through the system. If the NCAA has been investigating since summer as you say, why didn’t they tell Auburn they might want to sit Cam they way they did to UNC, Alabama, South Carolina etc.?

Furthermore, you CANNOT tell me the NCAA did not coach Auburn on what was coming and what to do. I am sure they told them that rules were broken and that they should rule Cam ineligible and to petition for immediate reinstatement. It was too smooth.

As you said: “How they kept that secret is amazing”. This is how: they were told what to do. Keep your mouth shut and we will get you through this. There is something rotten in Indianapolis and Mark Emmert is doing nothing.

If you do not believe favoritism is going on here, you are too naive to be covering the NCAA.

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Bama Dud, Watch what happens, because it’s about to.

Auburn issues statement Cam didn’t know.

SEC lawyer’s up that Cecil never “agreed” to receive the money. Technically not a rules violation.

NCAA issues statment that Cam is eligible but case is not closed.

Our local media Ho, writes another piece of crap that they got it right.

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I know what he is, just couldn’t resist the jab:)

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Tony, I wonder if I walked up to an NCAA official and ASKED his wife to have sex with me, if he would ponder as to if that actually constitues me AGREEING to have sex with his wife, before he punches me in the face?

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ARDawg, you are way off on that. The infraction that occurred here, and that the NCAA ruled on, was Cecil asking for money behind Cam’s back without Auburn’s knowledge. Evidence that Aubie or Cam knew would change everything. Read the NCAA’s statement and that will be pretty clear.

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aubie#1,

He just can get over the trams of being 1-9 in last 10 meetings with the Dawgs! lmao

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QUESTIONS:

* For the brief time that Cam was ineligible was he allowed to participate in practice or team meetings?
* Did he participate in those events?
* If the answer to the top two are “no” and “yes”, isn’t that a violation?

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Blog Security

If your talking about a football record there, which i think you are, it’s incorrect.

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Enter your fantasy / whine / what if / conspiracy theory here.

WDE

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i believe the record is more like 4-6 in the last ten meetings.

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HELLO. My Name is Gene Chizik. My great Grandfather came here from Russia. I’ve been coaching football for 25 years. Why in the wide wide world of sports did it take me going to Iowa St. and going 5 -19 for me to land a head coaching job at a “name” SEC” school I’ll never know. Out of all who would love this job, they picked me…..Iowa St. was a solid body of work I’ll have to admit.

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Of course not, just like he won’t tell her how his dad, despite a “meager house and church” showed up for an ESPN interview with Chris Low, Pat Forde and others, driving a new $60,000 truck

I KNOW you can prove that statement you just made right? I mean you have a link to an article (legitimate araticle not blog) that can back that up right? Right……ummmm….right?

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i’m adding to miny’s post-

what kind of truck was he driving that cost $60,000 anyway, i think that we would have heard that already on ESPN, not from a blog:P

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*…………………………………….Just letting AU folks get use to that little symbol next to everything about this years team.

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Several years later when the truth is revealed I expect you and Schultz and anyone else that came in on their high horse to eat crow along with the rest of the Auburn lunatic fringe who has their heads buried so far Sham’s a&& they act like all is well and fine.

Pay for Play never works out in the end when it’s publicized like this…something will come up in the future and the sad part is…Sham will be in the NFL by then giving AU the middle finger behind his back while saying I’m sorry infront of ESPN cameras.

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Barnhart is attempting to wash the kool-aid from his hands

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Ok, who here thinks that the NCAA was correct in its ruling?

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Tony — do you read all of these comments? LTG

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Mindy

I know right?
A college tried to recruit me for tennis when i was thirteen. Free trips and visits, i mean if they don’t hand you the money, they give it to ya some other way.

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B. Scott

December 2nd, 2010
1:03 pm
Tony do you really believe that the Newtons wanted $180K to play at Miss. State but was willing to let him sign with Auburn for nothing? Really?

I think it’s highly possible that Cecil chickened out and ran.

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Observn’: Solicitation equals the manifestation of intent. Check that with any of your law schools in Georgia, and the myriad Courts that have ruled directly on that issue

This is not a legal issue, (the solicitation). We’re not talking Criminal Law here, what we’re talking about is deciphering the RULES and bylaws of a COMITTEE of individuals that were made by said committee. Criminal Law / State Law has no bearing on this issue. The only law/rules that apply are the ones that are made, deciphered, and upheld by the NCAA – not the State of Georgia.

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What about “strict compliance”. This is what the ncaa said about penalizing University of Memphis in the Derrick Rose case. They didn’t have “ANY” evidence that the university knew that Rose hired someone to take the entrance exam for him but punished the school anyway. Tell me the rules are applied equitably!

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SURPRISE!

“mr sec football” is willing to accept a little bit of buying players as long as it mean an sec team stays in the title hunt.

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NEWSFLASH: Miami looking Hard at Current 2-10 Iowa St. coach. Following a pattern of hiring a loser no name to a major football program, Miami seems giddy over having a Iowa St. loser roaming their sideline next year. Film at 11.

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aubie#!,

Was refering to the UGA/Ga Tech games.

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I just saw in the paper today that one of ugay’s backups claimed his SEC division championship ring was stolen from his home in Macon. Sounds like a cover up to me. I wonder how much he sold it for?

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I know Trooper Taylor wearing that hat backwards and chest bumping someone every time the Band cranks up makes AU proud.

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rwo, I don’t have a DC………That would be Mark Rick I guess.

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JB, I’ll bet Miami (if they hire that Iowa St coach) hopes he turns out as good as the one AU hired. 12-0 in 2 years is pretty good, don’t you think?

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