Mississippi State did what it was supposed to do

 I’m not sure why, but a big deal was made yesterday when Mississippi State released a statement saying that it contacted the SEC office in January 2010 with information it had about the recruiting of Cameron Newton. Some thoughts here:

No. 1: Mississippi State was following the rules established by the Southeastern Conference. Any member school with information that NCAA rules may have been broken–by its institution or another institution–has the obligation to turn that information over to the conference office. Failure to do so is in itself a violation of SEC rules. So if it had sat on the information and not turned it in, Mississippi State would have had a problem.

No. 2: When Mississippi State first contacted the SEC the information was very general and lacked specifics. My understanding is that the initial contact between Mississippi State and the SEC on this matter was a very informal one. It was along the lines of “Hey, this happened and we thought you should know about it.” It wasn’t a formal report.  Logically, the SEC office wanted more information, including interviews with the staff people at Mississippi State who were involved before it could move forward. For example: The initial information presented to the SEC by Mississippi State did not include the names of John Bond and Kenny Rogers, whose alleged conversation back in December started this mess.

3. That additional information, I have been told, was not immediately forthcoming. Mississippi State confirms this in its statement: “Due to MSU dealing with ongoing and time-consuming eligibility isues in the winter and spring of 2010, the specific SEC request went unfilled. Some additional information was provided to the SEC during July of 2010.” Okay. So now we have the time line that answers the Auburn fans as to WHY this is coming out now. The SEC did not have the information it needed to move forward with the NCAA until this summer.

4. So the question now is WHY did it take until July of 2010 for the SEC to get the additional information it needed from Mississippi State? In its statement the school said it was busy with other eligibility issues not related to football. This begs for some clarification from both Mississippi State and the SEC. The SEC, I’ll remind you, is not an investigative body. It gathers facts, shares its findings with the institutions involved, and then forwards them on to the NCAA to be examined. There could be an entirely logical explanation for this timeline. Did Mississippi State drag its feet because it didn’t want to get that involved? Did the SEC not press as hard as it should have to get the information? Or is this timeline consistent with how long these things take?  Mississippi State jumped out there with its version of the events on Wednesday because I’m sure it was getting hammered from a lot of different directions. Does the SEC respond? I’m not sure it can or would want to other than to say that what happened is consistent with its policies.

5. Please, spare me the conspiracy theories. I love you guys (and you know who you are) but nobody can dream up conspiracy theories like an SEC football fan. Things don’t just happen in the SEC. They are always part of a huge Master Plan to put the screws to your school–especially when it is having a good year. 

They only drag the discussion of this topic down to an even lower level, which I’m not sure is possible at this point. There has been some good reporting on this story and there has been some downright lousy reporting on this story. There have been people who call themselves reporters who  have taken an ounce of fact and extrapolated it into a five pounds of rampant and unfounded speculation. Conclusions have been reached from alleged facts that are not in evidence. At times it has been damned embarrassing for those of us who do this for a living.

 Why? Because they know you’ll read it and react to it. It moves the needle and creates the web hits. Some of the discussion in the blogosphere has raised important questions and has been really thought provoking. But the vast majority of the discourse on the Cameron Newton case has been several notches below a cafeteria food fight.

Understand that regardless of how the Cameron Newton story is resolved,  there will no winners.  The biggest loser of all is those of us who love college football and still feel that, with all of its warts, it is a worthwhile enterprise that is a lot more good than bad. For the people who care about the game, this has been a very tough week.

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Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
7:38 am

Will this finally bring an end to the Pat Dye era at Auburn?

Mike

November 11th, 2010
7:39 am

Where there is smoke, there is fire. 2010 will be remembered at Auburn as an 0-12 season with a bunch of forfeits.

Redneck Barner

November 11th, 2010
7:42 am

Everybody’s out to get us! You can’t prove anything…

JWalker

November 11th, 2010
7:44 am

Tony, no comment on the two MS St coaches who allege Newton called them to say “the money was too much” and Cecil Newton saying it’s going to take “more than a scholarship?”

Saint Simons

November 11th, 2010
7:48 am

(((( 34 -31 ))))

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
7:50 am

Gene Chizik will take over the HC position at UGA after Mark Richt leaves for Miami. Auburn hires Dan Mullen and Mike Shula replaces him as HC at MSU.

Poetic Justice Prevails!!!

Jason

November 11th, 2010
7:52 am

Facts are, AJ got suspended for 4 games for taking $1200. Darius for Bama only got 2 game suspension, Newton allegedly takes $200,000, and get 0 game suspension, they’ve know about this since JULY.

Somebody, somewhere, doesn’t like Georgia, all I’m saying. We all remember the LSU game against Georgia where the whoel ref staff got suspended for bad calls. Somebody likes for the front runner in te SEC to have a sht to win it all. Sometimes that’s Alabama, sometimes Florida, sometimes, Auburn, but never Georgia.

Beast from the East

November 11th, 2010
7:53 am

Well said, Tony. This mess has gotten way out of hand and everyone needs to just step back, take a deep breath and let the investigators do their jobs. Too many so-called “experts” out there just trying to get a front page story with nothing but rumor and speculation.

Unnamed source

November 11th, 2010
7:54 am

Sorry, Mike. I had to leak it.

Jason

November 11th, 2010
7:54 am

MSU reported it to payback Cam Newton for changing his mind, and goign with Auburn. They threw Cam under the bus. Nothing noble about what MSU did. If they knew more, and withheld info, nothing noble there.

Beast from the East

November 11th, 2010
7:55 am

Jason,
Get a grip. Poor, poor UGA. Nobody loves us.
If your theory is true, then just put a winner on the field and you’ll get all the breaks, too.
Grow up!

Jason

November 11th, 2010
7:56 am

For Georgia fans, the link between SEC power players and Las Vegas, becomes more real each year. Each week Newton’s still playing only fuels the SEC/Vegas connection.

Gen Neyland

November 11th, 2010
7:56 am

Veterans Day…

Jason

November 11th, 2010
7:56 am

2007 Georgia finished #2, but didn’t get aid from SEC, LSU got the breaks.

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
7:57 am

@Jason

The NCAA didn’t suspend those players. If a player is the subject of an NCAA investigation, then it is up to the player’s school to determine whether he plays. If a player under investigation is not suspended, then any games in which that player participated must be forfeited if the player is later determined by the NCAA to have been ineligible to play.

Georgia should have gone ahead and played AJ. They forfeited the games anyway by not having him on the field.

Jason

November 11th, 2010
7:58 am

THE LSU game, with the call against AJ, where all the refs got suspended, showed me the link between VEAGAS & the SEC was very, very real.

Bob

November 11th, 2010
7:59 am

Tony,

You don’t see anything wrong with Miss State reporting this in January and finally finding the time to get back to the SEC in July????? Seriously????? July????

It does not seem like it is very hard to answer some questions like, who called and talked to whom? Or how about the date time group on this contact? And what took Mike Slive’s office so long to get them to answer? I would have been beating them with a cowbell to get answers to avoid this very thing. The SEC offices were asleep at the wheel here and Miss State has bogus excuses as to why it took them 5 freakin months to answer.

I find plenty wrong here….and right now it lies in Birmingham and Starkville.

3rdN8

November 11th, 2010
7:59 am

To all of my fellow vets….have a good Veteran’s Day!

dd

November 11th, 2010
7:59 am

Jason…… we are all so sorry everyone is out to get poor little UGA. The Athens police, the SEC, just everybody. Soooooo sorry for you.

Jason

November 11th, 2010
8:00 am

Auburn will win, Georgia will get some bad calls, watch the game, andtell me something isn’t amiss. I’ve seen it too many times The way the SEC is protecting Newton tells me Auburn is his year’s Vegas darling.

smc

November 11th, 2010
8:02 am

jason is already making excuses

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
8:02 am

Go Dogs

November 11th, 2010
8:03 am

Jason

November 11th, 2010
8:04 am

The cmmissioner tries to get an SEC in the Natioal Championship each year. Last year, by some of the bad calls, you could figurethe commissioner hand picked Florida & Alabama to be the 2 teams that got the breaks. This year, Auburn is the one because they’re undefeated, LSU is the other team. The commissioer acts like he doesn’t even know Cam Newton.

JLS

November 11th, 2010
8:04 am

Look out Jason – the boogy man is right behind you! RUN!

Jason

November 11th, 2010
8:04 am

Watch for bad calls against Georgia on crucial plays o crucial situations in the AUburn game Judge for yourself, happens every year.

big hoss

November 11th, 2010
8:05 am

The Dawgs-the biggest wehiners and losers and definitely the biggest redncks in the country. No you won’t get any help from the SEC until you can beat the Gators. This may not happen for a t least a decade. If you could not beat them this year with maybe the best offensive line in the country-it will be a long time coming. So suck it up and get ready to watch some bowl games that the dawgs won’t be involved in.

Jason

November 11th, 2010
8:06 am

Georgia has been the mot penalized teams since 2007, before that, Richtonly avraged 5 penalties a game, then he SUDDENLY baloons to 9 or 10 penalties a game?? Something’s amiss.

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
8:06 am

@Jason

You really need to do some research to find out why the commissioner never “picks” Georgia. ;-)

Jason

November 11th, 2010
8:07 am

Hard ot beat the Gators when the refs are on Vegas’ pocket.

Jason

November 11th, 2010
8:08 am

ESPN is in the Vegas vine too. ESPN threw Georgia under the bus in 2007, trying to get Vegas darling LSU in the National Championship.

SG AU FAN!!

November 11th, 2010
8:09 am

Jason I promise…you will not lose because of bad calls by the ref’s this Saturday. Now the bad calls from Bobo are gonna hurt….

MSTDAWGINGA

November 11th, 2010
8:09 am

Keep in perspective the facts that were reported, At no time has anyone ever implicated Auburn, MSU did have an obligation to advise issues in recruiting this student. In so reporting it everyone has immediatly jumped taht Auburn did something wrong, Never has it been stated that Auburn or MSU did anything wrong but the whole issue is the stuedent and his parents. With this I would say each institution is clear, but the student and family may pay for the issues. Speculation has blown this whole thing out of proportion.

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
8:09 am

@Jason

They suddenly have a lot more arrests as well. Maybe the Athens PD is in on the conspiracy?

Remember, just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you!

Jason

November 11th, 2010
8:11 am

I find it extremely weird, that Richt went form 5 penalties a game, for his first 7 years at Georgia, then baloonerd up to 9 or 10 after that. Somthing’s going on, Vegas style. So much corruption in the SEC it makes you sick.

Bama Dude

November 11th, 2010
8:13 am

Indeed, Happy Veterans Day to those who served voluntarily so that the rest of us could enjoy freedom.

Also, somebody get Jason a tinfoil hat.

Jason

November 11th, 2010
8:15 am

Georgia, all of the sudden, finishe 12th in penalities in 2008 & 2009. Both years when Georgia could have won it all. But in a year like 2010, where Georgia’s down, the SEC stop calling penalties n Georgia, and Georgia’s SUDDENLY #2 IN LEAST PENALTIES IN TEH sec.

Sure, that’s NORMAL.

jeff

November 11th, 2010
8:15 am

thank you 3rd and 8. back at you

Gen Neyland

November 11th, 2010
8:16 am

Bama Dude : And to those who served via the draft…

Jason

November 11th, 2010
8:16 am

SEC sent officials down to Georgia, based on NOTHING BUT RUMORS, and AJ got suspended for 4 games.

Cam Newton’s not been suspended fr 1 game.

Reggie

November 11th, 2010
8:17 am

Jason-

I agree with your facts. Surprised more writers arn’t writing about the conipracy against Georgia. Good posts, excellent stuff, very factual.

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
8:18 am

@MSTDAWGINGA

You’re wrong on two counts. The reported conversations between MSU coaches and the Newton family indicate that Auburn did, indeed, pay for Cam Newton’s services. MSU has not made this information public — they are not allowed to make public comments regarding the details of an ongoing investigation. Either the reporter is lying, or his sources at MSU lied to him, or Auburn paid the Newtons.

Assuming that no payments were made by either university and that this incident only involved shopping Cam Newton, the universities would be less culpable, but Cam Newton would still have been ineligible to compete in the NCAA. That would mean that Auburn would have to forfeit every game in which Cam Newton played — in other words, all of the games in the 2010 season.

Burt

November 11th, 2010
8:18 am

I agree with Jason on the AJ thing, and on the penalties. 08′ & 09′, Georgia got flagged for phantom calls.

maroonseedymon

November 11th, 2010
8:19 am

thanks tony for some realism here and to put out the fact that MSU did what they were supposed to. Why did it take so long? Because the MSU compliance department was busy. WHY? can you say Renardo Sydney?

Dawg_Mike

November 11th, 2010
8:19 am

This whole thing is such an unspeakable human tragedy.

G Fan #1

November 11th, 2010
8:19 am

Hey there Jason-

You better believe there’s a connection between the SEC & Las Vegas. You’d have to be awfully naiive to not think somebody’s gettn paid some big extra dollars for some of the going ons.

kirk herbstreit

November 11th, 2010
8:20 am

Jason–Did you ever stop to think that maybe some refs just missed some calls. It goes both ways. Or that maybe new asst. coaches weren’t doing a very good job holding players accountable for penalties? Newton hasn’t yet been clearly proven to have done something that warrants a suspension, AJ Green did (although the penalty was clearly excessive). Jason–there are medications that can help you get a grip on reality. See your Dr. today if possible.

Beast from the East

November 11th, 2010
8:20 am

Jason,
It’s called lack of discipline….on and off the field. I know that’s just too logical for a conspircay theorist like you. Anyway, keep on feeling sorry for yourself. Someone may join your pity party one day.

RxDawg

November 11th, 2010
8:20 am

“Somebody likes for the front runner in te SEC to have a sht to win it all.”

I hate conspiracies too… but come on Tony. There is some truth to that ring. Here is the facts, with the current setup the SEC stands to lose a LOT of money if they do not get a team into the BCS championship game AND a BCS at large. Our system is complex, and easily corrupted. It can’t be ignored and it’s a huge gorrila in the room.

The Other Dog

November 11th, 2010
8:21 am

From what I’m hearing from Starkville, the reason the additional info was delayed to the SEC was because the MSU compliance office was still working full time on the year long Renardo Sidney eligibility issue and the recent (at the time) Dee Bost NBA issue. Both of these are well documented and easy to learn about on the web. MSU is a small school and has basically one NCAA compliance officer, Bracky Brett, and he was working tirelessly on the Bost & Sidney issues until July of 2010.

NoGaGator

November 11th, 2010
8:21 am

Tony-

Can’t agree at all with your defense of the SEC offices.

As Bob noted, how hard could it have been for MSU to provide a few specifics (dates and names) to the SEC at the time?

One of Slive’s major platforms was that he was going to clean up violations around the league. To sit on this for so long with no review is INEXCUSABLE. You want to talk about warts? This is cancerous.

kirk herbstreit

November 11th, 2010
8:21 am

Oh and Jason–Florida was heavily penalized in 2008 and somehow won the National Title. Some teams have the talent and coaching to overcome mental mistakes. Guess UGA doesn’t….

Jason

November 11th, 2010
8:22 am

Go back and watch the 2007 Georgia Florida game if you don’t believe the refs wanted Flrida t win that game. I’ve never een so many bad calls against a team in all my years watching Georgia.

maroonseedymon

November 11th, 2010
8:22 am

jason you need SERIOUS psychiatric help! i mean SERIOUS!!!!

MURPHY

November 11th, 2010
8:23 am

I heard yesterday on CSS that the SEC wants this Cam deal resolved before the SEC Championship game.The SEC doesnt want this story to be alive during that time.Think the SEC cant make this happen?

social circle dawg

November 11th, 2010
8:23 am

Wow…now the FBI is involved – the SEC and the NCAA had better get it together quick.

LTC Phil

November 11th, 2010
8:23 am

Same to fellow veterans and to those Americans presently in combat zones. I think that everyone would agree that college football is a mess and that this whole Newton issue has been handled in the most sloppy and ineffective manner possible. The fact remains that State didn’t report the “alleged” contact with Kenny Rogers until after Newton signed with Auburn. That is understandable, considering State was apparently the frontrunner for the best football player in the country. I think that all SEC fans would agree that the NCAA exercises a double standard with SEC schools when compared to national darlings like Notre Dame and USC. The bottom line here is the NCAA, conferences and universities make a huge amount of money, based completely on fan interest, down to the logo on my UGA baseball cap. We deserve better treatment. The fact that we are having this conversation about Newton demonstrates what a terrible job all of these entities are doing. (If) and when Kenny Rogers mentioned cash payments, he should have been turned in immediately, and the NCAA should have been right on it. They certainly have the money and resources to be more responsive.

JimD

November 11th, 2010
8:24 am

Jason, time to start looking for a job…this sitting in the basement in you jammies is getting old with mom and dad.

The Other Dog

November 11th, 2010
8:24 am

Also, please bear in mind that as of July 2010, hardly anyone knew anything about Cam Newton.. besides Florida & MSU. Yes, he was #1 JUCO transfer, but look at the Auburn media guide, he barely has a blurb in it. No one (outside of Mullen) knew he’d be as good as he is. He was just “Tebow & Brantley’s” backup at UF who bought a stolen laptop and had to go to Juco.

If he weren’t who he turned out to be, this would be a non issue.

JR

November 11th, 2010
8:24 am

I heard that an unnamed source in New York said that Cam Newton may have had something to do with the disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa.

Jason

November 11th, 2010
8:25 am

Go back and watch the Georgia-LSU game where AJ got the bad call, and other bad calls were made against Georgia in that controversial game. Refs got suspended by the SEC, cover-up was exposed.

DawginLex

November 11th, 2010
8:25 am

First off, I want to say Happy Veteran’s Day to everyone.

To those of you who served our country:

YOU ARE THE REASON WE CAN GET ON A COMPUTER AND SAY WHAT WE WANT TO SAY!

FREEDOM IS NOT FREE!

A BIG THANK YOU FROM THIS GEORGIA BULLDOG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kirk herbstreit

November 11th, 2010
8:26 am

Come on Jason of course there were bad calls, but it goes both ways. We can all find holding penalties on nearly every pass play. Good Heavens, Alabama center Vlahos tackled Drake Nevis on almost every down last week. Start looking to your team and coaches as responsible for their failures, don’t put the blame on refs and mysterious las vegas gambling connections.

JimD

November 11th, 2010
8:26 am

And, oh by the way, that spelling check tab is under the edit menu. Your grammer school english teacher would be proud you used it.

War Eagle 30082

November 11th, 2010
8:26 am

Jason, you really need to take your Ritalin, your Prozac and your Oxycontin.

Worm

November 11th, 2010
8:27 am

Betcha’ North Carolina would have loved to be playing all their players and be judged LATER.

jeff

November 11th, 2010
8:27 am

thanks lexdawg. see dawgs and gators can get along!

Jason

November 11th, 2010
8:28 am

That particular ref crew, that called te LSU-Georga game, had made other controversial calls, like the one in the Arkansas game, nd they got canned by Slive. Only after the public outcry embarrased Slive.

http://www.ajc.com/sports/uga/sec-suspends-georgia-lsu-168860.html

This crew was in Vegas’ pocket.

fishtales

November 11th, 2010
8:28 am

Rx…I thought you were one of the sane ones. Did Jason get to you too?

RxDawg

November 11th, 2010
8:28 am

Look yall, I disagree with Jason in that I think the SEC is out to get UGA specifily. But his idea that the SEC kinda helps push along our top teams is very viable. As I stated before the fact is the SEC stands to gain a lot by allowing it’s undefeated teams to continue that way. It ups the ratings towards the end of the year and in the championship and it allows us to place 2 teams into the BCS bowl system which is where the big money is. Since the SEC divides up all of the money evenly amongst the schools why should any of the other schools blow the whistle on it?

I don’t want to believe that is happening… but our current football system would easily support an idea similar to this and I’ve seen some of those subjective calls helping out undfeated teams myself. I’m tellin ya, something smells rotten.

bull-gator

November 11th, 2010
8:28 am

Jason – if you are already on meds, please adjust the dosage, up or down ’cause what you’re taking now just ain’t working out. HELP! THE PARANOIDS ARE OUT TO GET ME!

Jason

November 11th, 2010
8:29 am

I don’t recall an ENTIRE SEC Crew being suspended by Slive recently. Just os HAPPENED to be against Georgia. What a coincidence!!

VININGSDAWG

November 11th, 2010
8:30 am

I call BS. Miss St. has an axe to grind and they are doing it. With the additional informationcoming out, it appears more and more that Miss St. is CYA. I have talked with friends at Auburn who know the ins and outs and say Auburn was aware of the situation in the spring, and started working on it. In July the SEC called and they already had most of the info. Heres the deal, sorry dog fans, but if Newton was a suspect in any way, Newton would hav enever been on the field for Auburn. Auburn is not that stupid. The compliance is run by a fellow named Rich McGlynn who is a former NCAA comliance director. They say he is the man and nothing even grey in the world of black and white gets approved. Chizik has $2,000,000 reasons why he would have made sure Newton didn;t play if he was not eligible.

Steve

November 11th, 2010
8:30 am

Jason-

Righton, couldn’t agree more.

Bucky

November 11th, 2010
8:31 am

I agree with everything Jason said.

Terrance

November 11th, 2010
8:31 am

Jason-

Do you have a radio show, this is great stuff. Seriously, you’re excellent analysis.

Who's Lying?

November 11th, 2010
8:32 am

MSU spin machine is on high, and it’s rotating backwards. So MSU, by its own admission almost, was too busy dealing with the bad seeds already signed up to put energy into its tattletale effort? That’s what consultants are for, right?!? They had the money…it’s not like they had to fork it over to Cam! This is rotten and time for all parties to apologize, shake hands and let it go.

Saint Simons

November 11th, 2010
8:32 am

Time to fire Johnson and bring in Rev Long!

n

November 11th, 2010
8:32 am

Auburn fans are the worst. First they actually (or at least pretend to) believe their program is completely clean. You play in the SEC, where if you ain’t cheating you ain’t trying. They cry about 2004, despite the fact that they played no one out of conference that year. Oklahoma and USC did, plus they were always ranked ahead of you. On top of that, does anyone really believe that Auburn wasn’t paying players in 2004, just like everyone else? Stupid, stupid, stupid. Be realistic.

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BrunswickStateDawg

November 11th, 2010
8:33 am

Tony, you obviously pay no attention to hoops issues. MSU AD’s office and the compliance staff were embroiled in the Renardo Sydney saga at the time the Newton allegations surfaced – ironically, an impermissible benefits investigation. MSU began the eligibility process for Sydney about May of ‘09 and they did not rule until March 5, 2010. MSU appealed, and that wasn’t completed until the end of March. Google it for details – AAU stuff and the Sydney’s dealings are very similar to Cam’s issues. Frankly, from that experience I am sure MSU was not all that happy to be starting another investigation that could lead to lengthy dealings with the NCAA – especially something that was based on hearsay. Keep in mind too that MSU has the smallest athletic budget in the SEC – which means fewer people and resources to look into such allegations. Not defending the lack of timely follow up – just putting it in context.

JailedDawg

November 11th, 2010
8:33 am

I heard Newton was in trouble for speeding as he was running down the field against LSU.

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
8:33 am

@VININGSDAWG

I’m hearing the same thing from my Auburn friends. Strange coincidence, I suppose?

Jason

November 11th, 2010
8:33 am

Thanks guys for all the compliments. No, I do not have my own radio show, but it’s in the works, many have asked me to do one, so I’m looking into it.

I just ask or you to all watch the Auburn-Georgia game, and watch the number soflucky breaks that happen to go Auburn’s way. Especially penalties, recieved plays, etc.

Jason

November 11th, 2010
8:34 am

video replays is another are to watch thi week.

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November 11th, 2010
8:34 am

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Souljaboy

November 11th, 2010
8:35 am

There is no question that refs started calling more iffy penalties on Georgia after Richt sent the whole team dancing in the end zone against UF. That was the worst example of bad sportsmanship that I have ever seen, and it undercut what little control and discipline Richt had exhibited in Recent years. It was really the turning point for the program at UGA.

ARdawg

November 11th, 2010
8:35 am

Barnhart

WTF? Now you seem to be reaching for high ground? Wasn’t it just last week you were one fueling and perpetuating the Cam improper recruitment story. Have a change of heart Barnhart? Sorry Tony, that cow has already left the barn and you are miring in the muck of this story/non-story. I truly hope Newton gets exonerated so that you leeches that stoked this thing get your just due

Paula

November 11th, 2010
8:37 am

Last evening, SEC office said that they never received any information from MSU about any conversations between themselves and the Newtons. Oops…….

Paul in RDU

November 11th, 2010
8:37 am

Tony’s point 4 is a key one and I agree with Bob @7:59 on this. The reason Slive and the SEC instituted the “talk to us first, don’t tattle to the NCAA” rule was to stop allegations getting out of hand (ref. UT, ALA, Fulmer, etc) and protect the image of the conference. Taking 7 months to clarify the information does not make the SEC look committed to getting to the bottom of the issue.

Geoff Thomas

November 11th, 2010
8:39 am

One problem for Miss St. is the two coaches that provided information to Schad. This was deemed inappropriate by Slive. I would think they will be held accountable, if Schad really did get quotes from them.

Weagle Weagle!

November 11th, 2010
8:39 am

@ Jason – Wow, you really want some sympathy here don’t you? Ok, here it is….Georgia is a good SEC East Team…that’s all the sympathy you get. College Football is big business, everyone knows that. So of course Vegas will have its claws in it. But a conspiracy against UGA…then the Athens Police is on the payroll too. Until these allegations against Cam Newton are proven, we can only speculate. Until then, let’s just play football. We deal with so much politics in our society…can we leave Football Saturdays alone…

Paul From Milton

November 11th, 2010
8:39 am

We have friends whose son went through the recruiting process with Newton when he originally came out. They told us that none of this surprises them as the Newton’s always had an attitude of “what’s in it for us?”. They also said that Cecil Newton was the only parent they met during the process whom they neither liked nor trusted.

Curious George

November 11th, 2010
8:40 am

Would Mississippi State have blown the whistle if they had the winning bid for Cam Newton?

Would Mississippi State have blown the whistle on an ivory QB for doing the same thing?

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
8:40 am

@Paula

Really? Got a link to that story? Seems that the SEC would be in violation of their own rules if they made such a public statement regarding an ongoing investigation.

maroonseedymon

November 11th, 2010
8:41 am

“And, oh by the way, that spelling check tab is under the edit menu. Your grammer school english teacher would be proud you used it.” JD before you go criticizing someone’s spelling you might orta(sic) check your own. It’s GRAMMAR not GRAMMER! LMAO you musta goed to bammer!

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
8:43 am

@Curious George

An “ivory” quarterback? Lawd have mercy!

Paul in RDU

November 11th, 2010
8:43 am

The Other Dog @8:21 – You have good points on the problems at MSU earlier this year. The NCAA put the hammer down on Sidney in March, but the Bost case wasn’t resolved until September.

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
8:44 am

@maroonseedymon

Bammer don’t teach no grammer.

:-)

mrb

November 11th, 2010
8:46 am

Jason=Bucky=Steve. Do you really think we’re all so stupid to not realize you’re the same person? Or perhaps, multiple personalities is your issue. Either way, you need help.

meh

November 11th, 2010
8:46 am

I think Tony Barnhart secretly controls the SEC. And he picks the champ each year by playing rock, paper, scissors with Jeff Schultz and Mark Bradley.

Paula

November 11th, 2010
8:47 am

Here ya go…

“”SEC spokesman Charles Bloom said Wednesday evening that there was also no mention of the reported conversations in either of the school’s reports to the league”.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/sec/2010-11-10-cam-newton-mississipppi-state_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

swatguy

November 11th, 2010
8:47 am

Forward your next article to a proofreader for editing.

Gator Mike

November 11th, 2010
8:47 am

This weekend should produce some very exciting games in the SEC with a few subplots. Should be fun to analyze on Sunday morning even though none of us will be on the field or coaching the teams.
Happy Vets Day to all Vets, and thank you for protecting our rights to express our opinions.
Go Gators!

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
8:47 am

So, assuming that Cam plays next Saturday, how badly will Georgia need to lose in order to turn up the heat on Mark Richt? I’m surprised that nobody has fingered CMR as the culprit in this whole Camgate thing just to get the heat off of his own dilemma.

RxDawg

November 11th, 2010
8:48 am

“Rx…I thought you were one of the sane ones. Did Jason get to you too?”

lol thanks fishtales. I guess I’m just not sticking my head in the sand on this one. As I’ve said, they bowl system supports this idea. Think about some of those holding calls that do get called and think about some that don’t. Also, think about some instant replays that absolutely look obvious. For an example, look at this years Arkansas at Auburn game. I think Arkansas already had 1 or 2 losses.

Now don’t get me wrong, I REALLY hope this isn’t the case. But to ignore the idea would be naive.

BigTiger

November 11th, 2010
8:50 am

Tony: The most important information that came out yesterday that you are missing is that the SEC office confirmed that no information about alleged phone conversations was turned over in any of the information that was given to the SEC office or NCAA. Only three reasons that would happen…. 1. These conversations never happened or 2. They were damning to Miss State and were not discussed…. 3. They were looked into and found to be nothing but rumor and innuendo…. Meanwhile a young man and his family and school continue to be drug thru the mud by some very willing participants in the Media….. That I cannot understand… thx

Jeff

November 11th, 2010
8:51 am

Mike Slime…I mean Slive is from Georgia Tech….nuff said

Paul in RDU

November 11th, 2010
8:56 am

@Jeff – Mike Slive is not from Georgia Tech. Rogers Redding, the SEC’s head of officiating is however. Hey – don’t let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.

steverino

November 11th, 2010
8:58 am

Everbody stop pickin’ on Jason.

He Said: “Somebody…have a sht to win it all. Sometimes that’s Alabama, sometimes Florida, sometimes, Auburn, but never Georgia.”

Since 1980, truer words have never been never spoken.

WesDawg

November 11th, 2010
8:58 am

MSU is following the proper procedures and covering their ass. MSU clearly was not going to pay the Newton’s based on their actions unless Auburn just outbid them. It appears MSU wasn’t going to play the Newton’s game. Auburn is desperate to keep up with big brother Bama. MSU is desperate to keep pace with Ole Miss. The recorded phone conversations seem to damn AU. Time will tell. Future AU players will pay the price for Newton while he moves on to the NFL. Let’s see if the Heisman folks will embarass themselves as well.

JP

November 11th, 2010
8:58 am

Thanks to you guys and gals that served, and are serving in the Armed Forces. Because of your sacrifice I can sit here and blog about college football while here in my comfortable office.

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
8:58 am

@BigTiger

I read the article link above by Paula. This is the relevant paragraph:

SEC spokesman Charles Bloom confirmed MSU’s account. He also said there was no mention of the reported conversations in either of the school’s reports to the league. He declined to comment further.

He did say that the reported conversations weren’t mentioned in either of the schools reports to the SEC. That was more than he should have said, according to the SEC’s own policy regarding such investigations. He doesn’t confirm that the NCAA has not received such information. MSU is digging themselves a pretty deep hole if they are lying about this.

Paul in RDU

November 11th, 2010
8:58 am

I’m glad to read that Jason is going to be starting his own radio station. He won’t even need his own radio receiver, being able to absorb the radio waves directly with his brain.

Paula

November 11th, 2010
9:02 am

@Wesdawg…just where are these “purported” conversations?

Blue

November 11th, 2010
9:02 am

Jason, Burt, others; I used to look forward to the blogs after GA losses last year and the year before, because I could predict the crybabies talking about how the refs stole the game. Other than the AJ call for excessive celebration last year (which was a travesty), you guys are just pathetic in your thinking process. “The refs don’t like us”, “the refs are out to get us”, “the police are targeting our players”. How about a little cheese to go with the whine???

Blue

November 11th, 2010
9:04 am

Jason; “go back and watch the 1967 game against Tennessee…look how they robbed us”

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
9:05 am

@Blue

No need to wait for Sunday. Jason is implementing a new UGA strategy: Preemptive Excuses

jhs61165

November 11th, 2010
9:05 am

This has NOT been a tough week for those of us who care about the RULES and keep the SEC clean. Or at least ATTEMPTING to keep the SEC clean. If Pat DIE U. has been caught cheating again , they should get the death penalty. It would not hurt my feelings at all. BURN, BARN , BURN.

Brock

November 11th, 2010
9:09 am

“SEC spokesman Charles Bloom said Wednesday evening that there was also no mention of the reported conversations in either of the school’s reports to the league.”

Please elaborate on this if you can.

1eyedJack

November 11th, 2010
9:09 am

“There has been some good reporting on this story and there has been some downright lousy reporting on this story.”

You wouldn’t be referring to your AJC colleagues Tony Kornheiser Schultz and Mark “Ole Kentucky Home” Bradley would you?

GA Fan

November 11th, 2010
9:11 am

Seriously, Jason. Doing your best Joseph McCarthy impression are you? Wow.

Everyone else: Thanks for not believing that all UGA fans are like Jason. Most of us understand reality: A team wins or loses b/c a team is good or bad. Simple enough. Unfortunately, we haven’t been that good this year…

As for Cam, well, I just hope it all comes out that he and his dad were on the up and up and all this turns out to be nothing. I would hate to see him and AU go down like this.

BAMA dude

November 11th, 2010
9:12 am

Jason, your momma sitting and listning to you talk into a hairbrush does not constitute a radio show. Seriously, son, you may be crazy.

T3

November 11th, 2010
9:13 am

Enter your comments here

BAMA dude

November 11th, 2010
9:13 am

1eyedJack

November 11th, 2010
9:09 am
“There has been some good reporting on this story and there has been some downright lousy reporting on this story.”

You wouldn’t be referring to your AJC colleagues Tony Kornheiser Schultz and Mark “Ole Kentucky Home” Bradley would you?

No, probably the guy on ESPN radio who claimed Cam was going to be ruled ineligible yesterday.

Look in the Mirror

November 11th, 2010
9:15 am

Tony, I’m having an awfully hard time reconciling these two statements written by the same “journalist”:

“They will be talking about whether or not Auburn and Cameron Newton forged an alliance based on cheating. This, too, comes under the category of “Life’s Not Fair.” I will say this: If it can be proven that Cecil Newton was shopping his kid around to the highest bidder, there is special place in **** reserved for him. I don’t care if he runs a church or not or if he calls himself a preacher.”

“Why? Because they know you’ll read it and react to it. It moves the needle and creates the web hits.”

Tony, you are a huge part of the PROBLEM. Rather than letting this thing take its course, you’re condemning the kid’s father to you-know-where. All for web hits.

As I’ve said before, Tony: What place is reserved for you?

And for the record, I’m a season-ticket holding Gator fan, not an Auburn fan.

Emmy

November 11th, 2010
9:16 am

How many conversations are going on here? We have AU fans realizing that at least SOME people are listening. We have MSU fans who are coming down from their high and worrying a little bit now. We have GA fans who hope both schools get punished but just want to talk about a conspiracy against them. And then we have the bammers who defy all logic and just want AU punished. It’s not important whether they’re guilty or innocent, but they pose a threat and they must be destroyed. Talk about LBS! Thanks, Tony, for a good article, but I too would like to see you keep on reporting the truth. It becomes you not to join the bashing crew.

Ken

November 11th, 2010
9:20 am

Tony:

You negelected to mention that, based on his comments on the Buck and Kincaid show last Friday, John Bond said he never even talked to Kenny Rogers. Bond claims that he heard it from someone that heard it from someone. Bond was actually relaying 4th hand information and doing it like it was fact.

JP

November 11th, 2010
9:20 am

TB – I usually like your stuff, but let’s stop with the hyperbole – a “tough week?” Maybe for Cam Newton and his family. But for the rest of us, life goes on.

The view from on High

November 11th, 2010
9:22 am

Why is it UGA fans think that everyone hates them (other than it is true)? The Refs, ESPN, SEC, Holtz, Spurrier, Meyer, Saban, Mark May (well that is true) and Tony Blarnhart; everyone hates the U G A Y Humpers.

A Father's Perspective

November 11th, 2010
9:23 am

Aside from all the “he said she said” and speculation on what’s fact or fiction, the one thing that I find concerning is this:

If MY child were having the success and season that Cam is having and some turd came out and made a bunch of “false” accusations and none of it was true, I couldn’t find a mountain top high enough to proclaim my child’s innocence, and I suspect any parent that reads this would whole-heartily agree.

The fact that both Cam and his father are vague at best regarding this matter suggests SOMETHING wrong happened. Now to what degree seems to be the real question.

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
9:24 am

“It’s not important whether they’re guilty or innocent, but they pose a threat and they must be destroyed.”

That right there’s funny — I don’t care who you are!

;-)

The fish

November 11th, 2010
9:24 am

If Ms State is so innocent why did they wait until January to notify the SEC office. The original offer to Ms State was made around the first of December. Why did they wait until after Newton committed to Auburn to notify the SEC office. I believe they were still recruiting him until he committed to Auburn, even after the offer was made.

Paula

November 11th, 2010
9:25 am

@Father – does the fact that the NCAA has put a gag-order on Auburn and the Newton’s mean nothing to you?

DAWG

November 11th, 2010
9:25 am

I worked as an investigator for over twenty seven years and when a complaint is filed it needs to be addressed. There is no parity in punishment in the SEC, some athletes have minor issues and the book is thrown at them and when major issues are brought forth, little is done. What we do know is that FIG NEWTON had issues at Florida with cheating and then the laptop. Now we talk Heisman, it is about character and doing the right thing. Fig Newton strayed and will tarnish this award if given. The officials at Auburn call it garbage, if another school were involved, would they be calling it garbage. We all know the answer and it would be NO. My gut tells me there is something to this and it needs to be taken care of.

wardenerd

November 11th, 2010
9:26 am

Is it me or is Westlake a problem. They obviously have talent but…….

Emmy

November 11th, 2010
9:26 am

Look in the Mirror: I hear you about the sensationalism. It boggles the mind what has been said with no accountability by grown men. But I’m an AU fan, and IF Mr. Newton were shopping his son, there is NO excuse, NONE. There are very few things lower than that. If our program bit, then we deserve punishment. If I were Cam and knew nothing about it, $0 of my NFL money would ever make it back home. I have faith that none of this happened, but the statement about Cam’s father is not that out of line. All the blind assumption that he DID shop is son with no proof to back it up is what bothers me.

We’re just fans, and we have NOTHING to do with all this. It would be nice if we didn’t attack each other over something our coaches and boosters did or didn’t do. Now attacking the SEC office is something we all can join in, if you ask me.

Don

November 11th, 2010
9:26 am

Geez Tony, Thanks for the “breaking News” on MSU which I read about on ESPN several days ago. How about some real news on when Auburn gets the DEATH penalty and we learn who put the Cash into the Newton Family hole in the back yard – before the FBI reports it. This would clear up the bowl picture a tad.

g-money

November 11th, 2010
9:26 am

Barnhart: “There has been some good reporting on this story and there has been some downright lousy reporting on this story. There have been people who call themselves reporters who have taken an ounce of fact and extrapolated it into a five pounds of rampant and unfounded speculation. Conclusions have been reached from alleged facts that are not in evidence. ”

Yep, and there’s a special place in hell for them, right? …. What a hypocrite …..

JP

November 11th, 2010
9:26 am

Hey “The View from on High” – every SEC fan thinks everyone else is out to get their school. I am a lifelong Gator and we get crazy when anyone says something remotely critical about the team…

ga gator

November 11th, 2010
9:27 am

DAWG, no, all we know is what slimeballs in the media write and we dont know whether it is true or not.

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
9:27 am

@A Father’s Perspective

Good point. They stopped denying when the accusations of academic impropriety at Florida came out. They haven’t positively denied anything since that time. They’re lawyered up and have no comment.

BAMA dude

November 11th, 2010
9:28 am

Ken

November 11th, 2010
9:20 am
Tony:

You negelected to mention that, based on his comments on the Buck and Kincaid show last Friday, John Bond said he never even talked to Kenny Rogers. Bond claims that he heard it from someone that heard it from someone. Bond was actually relaying 4th hand information and doing it like it was fact.

Actually, area is a very intersting take that came out yesterday.This fella is speculating that Bond went to the media at MSU’s request so MSU wouldn’t be seen as the snitch. Joe Schad is claiming he has four sources, two with firsthand knowledge and two who know of the situation, and that all of their stories corroborate. The SEC also has now verified MSU’s timeline on the matter, acknowledging that they didn’t have all of the info in July. From Auburn’s standpoint, they initially claimed to have investigated all of it back in January. If they failed to consider the new evidence regarding the phone conversations in July then they may have hosed themselves.

sportsbybrooks.com/bond-msu-pawn-forcing-ncaa-to-act-on-cam-29227

Paula

November 11th, 2010
9:28 am

@Rednek Bammer – you realize that the Univ of Florida themselves debunked those cheating acccusations, right? Or do you just ignore any information that doesn’t fit with your agenda?

UGA VII

November 11th, 2010
9:29 am

I can`t stand it anymore. Auburn will beat us by a 100, Newton will take up with a Georgia cheerleader and get 50 million to sign a NFL Contract and then the bugs will beat us.

UGAVIII come on home son it, it is too much.

BAMA dude

November 11th, 2010
9:29 am

“The SEC also has now verified MSU’s timeline on the matter, acknowledging that they didn’t have all of the info in UNTIL July. ”

Fixed a typo.

Go Dawgs!

November 11th, 2010
9:30 am

RxDawg

November 11th, 2010
8:28 am

You’re DEAD ON!!

All you need to do is go back and look at last year’s Bama and Florida games.

In particular UF vs Ark and Bama vs Tenn

JB

November 11th, 2010
9:31 am

good day to be a Wake fan…no pressure…..Or Tech….

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
9:31 am

@Paula

The NCAA can instruct Auburn University to remain silent. They have no such jurisdiction over Cecil Newton.

BAMA dude

November 11th, 2010
9:32 am

Paula

November 11th, 2010
9:25 am
@Father – does the fact that the NCAA has put a gag-order on Auburn and the Newton’s mean nothing to you?

This never happened. The Newton’s attorney told him to keep his mouth shut, not the NCAA.

BAMA dude

November 11th, 2010
9:33 am

Paula

November 11th, 2010
9:28 am
@Rednek Bammer – you realize that the Univ of Florida themselves debunked those cheating acccusations, right? Or do you just ignore any information that doesn’t fit with your agenda?

Again, no they didn’t. Where are you getting your info? A barber shop in Lee County?

Barner Redneck

November 11th, 2010
9:33 am

We at auburn would do nothing wrong. Like have the number 1 recruiting class with a no-name coach and are hidding behind religion. We are family and are all in…whether we have to cheat or not!
Leave us alone we just want to win no matter how tainted it will be…

SuperB

November 11th, 2010
9:34 am

Usually (but not always,) where there is smoke there is fire. It would be a shame for Auburn to have to forfeit the season– long after it ends. Unless of course, they did pay for Newton’s services. The Reggie Bush saga is very fresh in people’s minds.

Jake

November 11th, 2010
9:34 am

Thank goodness the Vols are not in the middle of this,, they have their own issues. Look at USA Today,, Pearl on front page.

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
9:34 am

@Paula

I don’t have an agenda. I’m just watching this fiasco — I don’t have a dog in this hunt.

1eyedJack

November 11th, 2010
9:35 am

Advertisements contain the only truths to be relied on in a newspaper.
Mark Twain

All I know is just what I read in the papers, and that’s an alibi for my ignorance.
Will Rogers

1eyedJack

November 11th, 2010
9:37 am

We could use a good barber shop in Lee County.

PHIL

November 11th, 2010
9:37 am

This whole case looks like a sad, tragic story of an athlete being pimped and not knowing about it and worse yet, not benefiting. A few years ago, it was Albert Means. His mother is being evicted from an apartment, meanwhile his SCUMBAG coach is taking 100k cash and a new Ford Explorer to steer Means to Bama.. There’s no doubt that “Brother” Cecil Newton used his sons value to Auburn (football crazy, jealous of Bama, NO QB) for his personal gain by way of funneling funds to his church. We supposed to think that an anonymous donor gave 6 figures to a church that was on the verge of closing? Sad thing is, Cam appears to know nothing. Probably didnt get a dime, so now he could pass a lie detector that he indeed took no improper benefits. However, it ain’t that easy. This whole load of bricks will come down straight on to Cam. He will be this generations Eric Ramsey as the guy that got Auburn placed on probation, which surely will be just short of the death penalty SMU got and probably worse that USC. The slimebags responsible, Rev/Brother/Deacon Newton, Lowder’s henchmen, Rogers, or whomever the “3rd party” was didn’t count on the FBI getting involved… but they are and you know what that means: YOU BOYS ARE CAUGHT!

Paul in RDU

November 11th, 2010
9:37 am

Rednek Bammer – the NCAA may have no jurisdiction over Cecil Newton, but they sure as heck have jurisdiction over his son.

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
9:37 am

Hmmm…

Never got an answer to my first question. If Gene Chizik is forced out of Auburn over Camgate, will Pat Dye go with him?

A Father's Perspective

November 11th, 2010
9:38 am

Paula, you obviously don’t have children.

Gag order or not, if my child is innocent I’m not keeping my mouth shut regardless of what the NCAA, Auburn or anyone else says.

What would they do suspend Cam or punish the school for his father sticking up for his child and telling the truth?

If you’ve done no wrong say so. And you’re gag order suggestion makes no sense because they have not come out and said the NCAA has put a gag order on them. They have simply been vague. ex-when AJ Green had his incident there was a gag order and he and CMR said as much. I haven’t heard anyone from Auburn or the Newtons say as much. So you’re arguement holds little merit.

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
9:38 am

@Paul in RDU

Never said they didn’t.

SuperB

November 11th, 2010
9:38 am

After this column, you’d better hope there is nothing to it. You have put yourself and your credibility way out there. (And this observation comes from one of your fans.)

BAMA dude

November 11th, 2010
9:38 am

1eyedjack, your 9:37 made me chuckle.

tory

November 11th, 2010
9:42 am

A lot of forces at work here. I’m sure the SEC doesn’t want to risk losing their 4 year winning streak of national titles by losing Auburn to scandal, and I’m sure the NCAA would love nothing more than shutting down the presumed SEC champ. Guess we’ll find out who will win.

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
9:44 am

@tory

That’s the tinfoil hat version of the story.

If the Newton’s are innocent, then Auburn will win. If not — everybody loses.

RxDawg

November 11th, 2010
9:44 am

A Father’s Perspective
November 11th, 2010
9:23 am

That’s an exteremly good point. Enough to sway me over to the side that Cam probably did do wrong and him and his family held their hands out.

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
9:46 am

How many Auburn fans will be sporting paper bags on their heads next Saturday at JHS?

James

November 11th, 2010
9:47 am

Guys,

Rednek Bammer is a troll. I destroyed him on TB’s blog yesterday with facts, yet he still tried to spin his way out of his obvious humiliation.

Do not feed him

nostradamus dog....

November 11th, 2010
9:47 am

what i like are all the people who believe mississippi state has the power to see into the future and know that cam newton was going to be a bada$$ and that auburn would be unbeaten, so they hatched a plan to release some information in january and then follow up in july, knowing that it would hit the mainstream media the week before the mighty moccassins were heading to the plains, and that it would derail cam’s chances for a heisman. man, those guys are freaking futuristic genuis’s. can they tell me if i am getting a raise next year?

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
9:48 am

Massive fail James. The posts are still there. I suspect that your alter-ego is named Jason.

Robbie E.

November 11th, 2010
9:48 am

Mississippi State is for LOSERS.

I went to a game the other week, and saw this trivia question:

“What is the greatest moment in Bulldog athletics”

a. Final 4 1996 b. SEC West co-Champs c. College World Seriees participant

guess what, finishing anywhere close to the TOP must make those rednecks from starkville happy…..

for whom the cowbell tolls……perpetual losing

BAMA dude

November 11th, 2010
9:49 am

nostradamus dog….

November 11th, 2010
9:47 am
what i like are all the people who believe mississippi state has the power to see into the future and know that cam newton was going to be a bada$$ and that auburn would be unbeaten, so they hatched a plan to release some information in january and then follow up in july

Who said this? MSU and the SEC agree that much of the info wasn’t presented in January due to MSU’s compliance office being preoccupied with other matters.

Just Sayin'

November 11th, 2010
9:50 am

According my sources FSU could have had Cam for only $150K, except they wouldn’t let him ride the horse and throw the spear………………

Aubbie98

November 11th, 2010
9:51 am

Tony great writting. My husband came home lastnight and said it, this has been enough that I never want to watch college football again. I will still be an Auburn fan and have been for a very long time but this is unreal. Even if it was some other school I would feel the same way. This stuff just should not come out unless there is hard facts to back it up which I have not seen yet.

DC Braves Fan

November 11th, 2010
9:51 am

Lots of pontificating, very little new information. Typical Barnhart column these days. I wouldn’t be going after journalists for not doing their job when you claim to do this for a living and spend 90% of your column lecturing people rather than just expanding the universe of facts.

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
9:51 am

@nostradamus dog….

The Newton’s story that Cam left Florida because he wasn’t good enough to beat out Brantley for the QB position have already been proven false. He didn’t choose to leave — he was forced out.

Dan Mullen knew what kind of player Cam Newton was. Apparently Auburn did too, or they wouldn’t have taken such a risk to put him on the field.

Tee

November 11th, 2010
9:52 am

The suspension is coming down today. Its going to be an ugly day for the tigers. And it only gets worse from here. I actually feel sorry for them. It only takes 1 guy to bring a program down. Just ask Tony Cole and the Georgia Dawgs. Cam Newton’s Dad is going to take the Auburm football program down.

James

November 11th, 2010
9:52 am

Yes they are still there. Proving your pathetic nitpicking and demands for links blew up in your face. Anyone with a lick of sense remembers, and can clearly read the stories, that the NCAA investigated AJ for being at the South Beach party which proved to be a lie

Geoff Thomas

November 11th, 2010
9:52 am

And the SEC finally speaks. Sort of. sbn.to/agb8aw via @rollbamaroll Schads story of recruiters not a part of investigation

Tea Party Meber

November 11th, 2010
9:55 am

No way this is ture. The kids father is a relgous leader and a man of God. This must be cooked up by jellus fans.

captguitarman

November 11th, 2010
9:55 am

I love SEC football. It’s the best in the nation. But, this SEC hen house and all of its wild gossip and rumor mongering, as demonstrated by many commentators on this site, is disconcerting. Can anyone just wait five minutes until all of this hearsay is investigated and either proven or disproven? Yes, I know that Georgia is desperate to have something big break here fast so Newton won’t play on Saturday — so if they beat Auburn without Newton and Georgia Tech without Nesbitt, they can stop crying and tell themselves that they had kind of a good season again. Should Newton be eligible to play, or should Auburn be eligible to win the SEC and play in the BCS championship if Auburn paid for Newton? Absolutely NOT. Should Newton and Auburn be punished if all of these alleged statements are just hot air, statements held back and now timed with perfection by those wanting to disrupt things, call attention to themselves, etc.?? Of course not. Let the NCAA investigate this, and then make your comments when the facts are know. BTW, Redneck. Georgia suspended AJ Green to make a statement. Plus, they did not need him because they had enough guys for the game because of the State of Georgia’s weekend work release program.

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
9:56 am

Yep James,

You’re right. Everyone is out to get Georgia. Now who else are you going to accuse me of being today?

Dirty Dawg

November 11th, 2010
9:57 am

Hey Tony…why don’t you say something to Coach Cheese-it about your problem with the conspiracy theorists…you know the guy that’s suggesting that there are one, or ten, ‘men behind the curtains’ pulling levers and stuff.

McDawg

November 11th, 2010
9:57 am

the orange bowl use to have a direct link w/ Vegas and the mob

1990 ND-Colorado goal line stance mysterious fumbles in favor of ND

1991 ND-Colorado the rocket returns a kick to win mystery penalty

1994 FSU-Nebraska watch the last drive by FSU and penalties

LuvTheNoles

November 11th, 2010
9:57 am

@just sayin’

Now THAT is funny.

RxDawg

November 11th, 2010
9:58 am

@nostradamus dog

Actually, Dan Mullin knew first hand what kind of player Cam Newton was. He was very highly recruited… BOTH times. But still, that’s just a small piece of this very large complex pie.

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
10:01 am

@Just Sayin’

I would have thought that the free shoes would have clinched the deal anyway? It would be fun to ride that horse though…

;-)

JaxGator

November 11th, 2010
10:03 am

Jason:
The SEC_Vegas conspiracy started in 1990 when they got Spurrier to Florida. It continued when they got Meyer at Florida and Saban at Alabama.
Why do you think Richt is able to stay at Georgia? This is all part of the big conspiracy against the Dogs. You complain about the officiating in the 2007 game in Jax which is one of the games rarely won by the Dogs in the last 21 years. You have all the knowledge and insight. Now tell us who really shot Kennedy.

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
10:03 am

I just heard the a report on the radio that the conversations in question at MSU were, indeed, recorded.

nader taters

November 11th, 2010
10:03 am

@Rednek Bammer,

Just took a gander at the other blog. Were you seriously saying the NCAA didn’t investigate AJ Green being at the agent party? It was reported all over ESPN for weeks.

Dunwoody Journal Constitution

November 11th, 2010
10:03 am

Tony–You feel badly about all of this happening in college football? Really? There is no stronger booster of the scandal-plagued SEC than you. If you really want to see this type of behavior to stop, then do something about it. Given you access to the insiders and your credibility as the face of the SEC, you may have more ability to expose this stuff than anyone else. Why don’t you take positive action, rather than wringing your hands and profiting from the drama?

Further, I remember a conversation you and Wes had on your radio show earlier in the year. You were talking about the problems Butch Davis and UNC were having with eligibility and agent issues. Both you and Wes agreed that we shouldn’t be too hard on Butch and his coaches because UNC knew that if they wanted to be serious about winning, that some of this stuff was bound to occur. In essence (and I fully admit to paraphrasing) you said that if you want to win in college football, you better expect some scandal now and again.

You may be correct, Tony. But don’t opine about how badly you feel now when only a few months ago you were rationalizing similar types of behavior. You can’t have it both ways.

If you’re not a part of the solution, then you’re a part of the problem.

Lex

November 11th, 2010
10:03 am

Recorded? Why were they being recorded? Do coaches record all their conversations? Definitely not a supporter of Auburn or Cam, but I do find that odd…..

Steven

November 11th, 2010
10:04 am

“At times it has been damned embarrassing for those of us who do this for a living.”

As was your article regarding Grantham and the choke sign and you wrote because “Why? Because they know you’ll read it and react to it. It moves the needle and creates the web hits.’

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
10:04 am

@JaxGator

Haven’t you heard? Cam Newton shot JFK. That’s the real reason for his expulsion from Florida.

south eastern chumps

November 11th, 2010
10:07 am

you do not know what the big deal is Tony? Your the one ranting and raving yesterday threatening whoever and whatever to “Lawyer Up”. It was pretty funny….

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
10:07 am

@nader taters

No. I said that the fact that he didn’t attend the party didn’t clear him of any and all NCAA violations. Jason (or James) was arguing that the NCAA just “made up” the charges against AJ because they were angry about not being able to tie him to the agent party in Miami.

James

November 11th, 2010
10:09 am

Everyone out to get UGA? Are you capable of posting a single honest statement? I never said that, as well you know. I just simply provided with you with the evidence you requested (even though it is common knowledge to everyone else) and you had a hissy fit because you were proven wrong.

Just take your beating like a man move along.

Vol4Life

November 11th, 2010
10:09 am

I hate to say it but… IF we had a PLAYOFF system, none of this would matter. 8 teams (usually 2 or 3 from the SEC) would get a chance to win it on the field. Until then, BCS is just like the heistman, it’s just a 100% complete JOKE.

I personally am for a TCU 13-0 versus Boise St 13-0 NATIONAL TITLE GAME. That will certainly END the BCS madness.

BAMA dude

November 11th, 2010
10:09 am

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
10:03 am
I just heard the a report on the radio that the conversations in question at MSU were, indeed, recorded.

That has been rumored but not verified by any remotely credible source I’ve seen. If that DID turn out to be the case then you have your smoking gun, Cam is ineligible, and Auburn is 0-10. For those asking why they were taped, perhaps someone at MSU decided to record all future conversations with the Newtons after the first attempt at extortion. But again, this hasn’t been confirmed anywhere that I’ve seen.

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
10:10 am

@Lex

I would not be surprised to learn that they started recording conversations after a pay-for-play scheme was presented to them.

Anyway, that’s the first time that I have heard an actual news report that recordings existed.

Sean

November 11th, 2010
10:11 am

Please wake me up when there’s actual proof Newton cheated. “Sources” can say anything.

Read good bowl projections and let’s take football:
http://thebubblescreen.blogspot.com/2010/11/bowl-projections-still-auburnoregon-for.html

how2fish

November 11th, 2010
10:11 am

To all the VETS on the blog today, Dawgs,Gators,Vols, Buckeyes etc..THANK YOU one and all !

Sean

November 11th, 2010
10:11 am

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
10:15 am

Bowl projections are far less fact-based than the Cam Newton reporting. We’ll know who’s playing where in a couple of weeks. It could take years to learn what happened in Camgate — unless the FBI speeds the process along.

MURPHY

November 11th, 2010
10:19 am

The SEC is making a hard push towards the NCAA to get this matter resolved before the SEC Championship week. They do not want this story stealing the spot light from the game.

Wes

November 11th, 2010
10:19 am

Tony,

Not sure if you actually read the comments to your articles, but I will go ahead and say this to you anyway. You say there has been some good reporting, but to this point there has not been ONE SINGLE SHRED OF PHYSICAL EVIDENCE PROVIDED!!!

BAMA dude

November 11th, 2010
10:20 am

Hey, look! It’s Sean the spammer! Nobody is gonna give you page hits around here buddy. You can find your google ads money elsewhere.

Here's Hoping

November 11th, 2010
10:20 am

When these allegations are proven false, Cam and his family will sue these character assasins until their noses bleed.

BAMA dude

November 11th, 2010
10:21 am

Wes

November 11th, 2010
10:19 am
Tony,

Not sure if you actually read the comments to your articles, but I will go ahead and say this to you anyway. You say there has been some good reporting, but to this point there has not been ONE SINGLE SHRED OF PHYSICAL EVIDENCE PROVIDED released to the media!!!

Fixed. We don’t know everything, you can bet on that.

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
10:25 am

@Here’s Hoping

Oh they would… Rest assured.

That’s why this is a story. If all of these rumors were only popping up on football forums, I wouldn’t give them a second thought. Major media outlets have substantial legal departments and they don’t expose themselves to liability without having some solid evidence to back up what they are reporting.

A Father's Perspective

November 11th, 2010
10:30 am

how2fish

November 11th, 2010
10:11 am

Thank you for reminding us what’s truly important on this day.

To all who have served our country and those who have lost loved ones in the course of defending our nation THANK YOU.

Words will never be able to truly express the appreciation for all the sacrifices our brave men and women and their families have made over the years. Whenever you see someone in uniform or a veteran be sure to take a second to go up to them and thank them for their contribution.

GO VETS!!!!

AU Rules

November 11th, 2010
10:30 am

Alabama fans and big boosters are behind all of this==count on it. they are spreading rumors like wildfire to get newton ineligible to avoid a beatdown in the iron bowl. It will not work—Cam will play every game and AU wins the BCS title—mark it down.

Sam Floret

November 11th, 2010
10:31 am

Tony, you certainly have not gone nuclear on Cam Newton like others, but to be fair, should you not point out that if there was any evidence he is not eligible he would not be playing and that this kid who has been crushed by national media has not even been accused of doing anything wrong? Isn’t that the least you and others could do?

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
10:32 am

I want Cam to play against Alabama. Auburn is nothing without Cam Newton.

J Chapman

November 11th, 2010
10:32 am

As a MSU alum, this was the talk all spring, not Cam Newton.
From the Jackson, MS, Clarion Ledger
MSU’s compliance office likely was sidetracked in the spring with eligibility issues regarding basketball player Renardo Sidney, but school officials were not in an explanatory mood on Wednesday.

gatorman770

November 11th, 2010
10:33 am

Tony, thanks for for being “politcally incorrect” by showing you’re proud to be a citizen of the United States by wearing a American Flag on your lapel.
God bless all you Veterans!
Remember: If you’re reading this, thank a teacher and if you’re reading this in English, thank a Veteran!

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
10:35 am

@Sam Floret

I’m sure that Tony would do everything that you recommend, if what you said was true. The matter is being investigated and the evidence will not be released to the public while the investigation is ongoing.

Wizard Behind The Curtain

November 11th, 2010
10:35 am

To me, the bigger issue is what the SEC spokesman officially announced yesterday: that neither of MSU’s reports on this matter to the SEC disclosed any of the supposed conversations now being reported by ESPN by anonymous “sources,” presumably from within MSU. This is not getting alot of coverage, but doesn’t this tend to cast doubt on whether these conversations actually occurred? Or at least as to the credibility of unnamed MSU “sources”? If these conversations happened last winter, why not ever report them in any of the reports to the SEC?

BAMA dude

November 11th, 2010
10:35 am

AU Rules

November 11th, 2010
10:30 am
Alabama fans and big boosters are behind all of this==count on it. they are spreading rumors like wildfire to get newton ineligible to avoid a beatdown in the iron bowl. It will not work—Cam will play every game and AU wins the BCS title—mark it down.

OMGZ it mus be dem jellus Bammerz they jus wish Camz wuz on they’re team cuz he iz tha gr8est playr since Bo Jackson.

how2fish

November 11th, 2010
10:36 am

@A Father’s Perspective your 10:30 post was right on target..I’ve lived 57 years and raised a family in safety due to these brave men and women.

nader taters

November 11th, 2010
10:37 am

Hmmm…..no, that’s not what I read on the blog at all. James said the charge of AJ being at the party was made up and the NCAA just kept digging until they found anything on Green. You said there was no proof that the NCAA ever investigated Green as being at the party and he provided you a link proving you wrong.

Not really sure what you are talking about.

You don’t need to be so mad, we all make mistakes.

Alabama Jack

November 11th, 2010
10:40 am

Dumb delusional dawgs think anyone outside Clarke County cares. Sorry, no way. BTW, Auburn by 50 on Saturday.

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
10:40 am

I’m not mad tater. I just don’t have much patience for folks who can’t differentiate between rumor and fact.

Maybe you need to read the SI article again — carefully.

Have a nice day James.

nmdawg

November 11th, 2010
10:43 am

Innocent until proven guilty. Auburn has apparently cleared him to play relative to his standing at their institution. What happened at Florida is not even relevent, except to smear the kid. He screwed up, he’s a kid…kid’s do that, not just football players or quarterbacks. If and when the money trail is confirmed, THEN you have a story. Until then, you basically have a bunch of media types who do not have to do any thinking, becasue they have a “hot topic” they can write about, regardless of accuracy in their article. These are the same media types that write about Bret Favre every day during his “retirement”….they just file a “report”, then have finished their assignment for the day.

Regardless of the outcome, Auburn has nothing to lose at this point. He is either eligible or not, and if not, it would be retroactive. So, if they know what is going on, they would still play them, trying to win the mythical national championship (mythical becasue it is decided by vote rather than on the field), and then brag for all eternity that they were “national Champs”. After all, USC did the same thing, and did not forfiet the mythical championship, just the Heisman that the slime ball running back from San Diego, who has millions of dollars from the NFL….how heartbreaking for all thse involved!!! Bush has millions to compensate him for his lost trophy. Big deal.

With all the money at stake, college football is not completely “clean”. Deal with it!!! Go DAWGS!

wes

November 11th, 2010
10:44 am

Ok, so it seems like now it’s just a matter when, not if, this bomb officially drops on Auburn. Do you think they will get the almost obsolete death penalty for their arrogance and defiance?

wes

November 11th, 2010
10:47 am

nmdawg,

Hmmm….”screwing up” is not calling back the pretty girl you met last weekend. Screwing up is going to a party when you should have been home studying for that test you have in the morning. Willingly buying what you KNOW is a stolen laptop isn’t screwing up, it’s being a thug. Nevermind his 13 traffic violations in the span of a year.

nader taters

November 11th, 2010
10:49 am

Rednek,

Maybe you are the one that needs to read it again, several times even. Nowhere does it say anything about a jersey, it only discusses the agent party and the other players alledged to have been there.

It’s ok to be wrong you know

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
10:50 am

Auburn had to understand the risk involved in allowing Cam Newton to play.

Is it better to win and have the records stripped retroactively, or to not win?

Stripping records is an ineffective punishment that is not taken seriously by anyone. These players who make a fortune in the NFL while their college football stepping-stone institutions pay the price for their infractions should be punished after they leave college. Taking away a trophy is inadequate punishment.

Penn Wages

November 11th, 2010
10:50 am

To determine if a team is an SEC favorite all you have to know is whether Penn Wages is the head official. Check out the Florida vs. Arkansas game last year. Arkansas clearly outplayed Florida and Wages and his crew had to work a little magic. (remember the personal foul on the defense when Pouncey clearly instigated the altercation?)

More SEC Cheating

November 11th, 2010
10:51 am

Hey Tony, can you get me tickets to Fat Phil’s Fish Fry that replaced the SEC championship? Could Colorado win the SEC Least?

Rednek Bammer

November 11th, 2010
10:52 am

@James

I really don’t have time for your nonsense. I have work to do.

Later Guys!

how2fish

November 11th, 2010
10:53 am

wes I’m a Dawg fan and I admit I’m lost what exactly do you mean by Auburn’s arrogance and defiance? WTF we don’t even have any hard evidence of wrong doing…by Auburn or anyone else…keep your shirt on there is no need for a rush to judgment.

Jdawg

November 11th, 2010
10:58 am

The reason Scam didn’t go to Ga. is he’s scared of dawgs, just ask the Coweta Co. police.

nader taters

November 11th, 2010
11:00 am

So by “work to do” you mean we can expect to see you on your other handles? Thought so.

But really, it is ok to be wrong.

1eyedJack

November 11th, 2010
11:01 am

What is amazing is that a kid without the common sense required to drive a vehicle or the intelligence to write his own term paper could be so important.

Anonymous Source

November 11th, 2010
11:03 am

Yes, State is truly heroic. They did nothing for one month, then called the SEC the day after Newton signed with Auburn. John Bond was (allegedly) called by Rogers “right after the Egg Bowl” in early December. Newton signs with AU on Dec. 31. MSU calls the SEC in January. I guess it takes the conscience about 30 days to kick in. And I’m sure MSU would have done the same thing if Newton chose MSU. You “journalists” are killing me! :)

Where there is smoke...

November 11th, 2010
11:06 am

If you put an absolute dog at quarterback, don’t be surprised if the whole team ends up with fleas.

OkefenokeeDawg

November 11th, 2010
11:13 am

“For Georgia fans, the link between SEC power players and Las Vegas, becomes more real each year.”
*********************************************
Speak for yourself, dumbass, not for “Georgia fans.”

Nuttin But the Troof

November 11th, 2010
11:15 am

@ Rednek Bammer

Correcting your post:

That’s why this is a story. If all of these rumors were only POOPING up on
football forums, I wouldn’t give them a second thought. Major media outlets have
substantial legal departments and they don’t expose themselves to liability without
having some solid evidence to back up what they are reporting.

Driving Ms Dooley

November 11th, 2010
11:16 am

Question on Mr. John Bond: Here’s a guy who throws all this crap to the media starting with a statement that HE had a conversation with Kenny Rogers. This is where the fire storm started. Then John Bond flips and says he’s never met Kenny Rogers or had a any conversations with him. But the firestorm has already started. Everything else we have of any significance is from Ms State Recruiters saying they had conversations with Cecil and Cam. Where’s the credibility in this story? How in the world is this going to make Cam inelible?

I’m not saying it didn’t happen. I’m saying it happens every day–or every year with top athletes and unless they are stupid enough or blatant enough to leave a paper trail, then nothing will come of it.

I think John Bond is kicking himself for not raising the money because they didn’t know how good Cam would turn out to be. He’s like a little boy telling on his brother for something he wishes he could’ve done.

My point: This sh-t happens every year in college football. If you don’t have your head in the sand, then you know this. There’s no story here becasue there is no proof.

I’m still rooting for him Saturday because he’s a hell of a player. On the take? Maybe. Probably. But he’s darned fun to watch.
Bank statements have been provided. Do they look guilty. Sure. Can you hang em for that? No.

techgirl

November 11th, 2010
11:18 am

Tony, do some research. MSU was tied up FOREVER in trying to get Renardo Sidney cleared to play basketball last season. Why would they waste time on Auburn’s problem when they were attempting to get a 6′ 10″ player get cleared so they could pair him up with Jarvis Vernado? A simple google search would’ve cleared that up for you.

Top recruit

November 11th, 2010
11:19 am

Puzzled why Coach Richt and Coach Bobo commented on the recruitment of Newton. Recruited him to be a TE. That says something about evaluation of players for the “system” or “sets”. Does not make any sense to say anything. In the future it would best for the UGA coaches to never comment on any player involved in this time of situation. Why get your name and program even mentioned by the news. Just coach your players and prepare them to play.

GeorgiaBoy

November 11th, 2010
11:21 am

FOOD FIGHT!!!!

tigertracker

November 11th, 2010
11:23 am

Tony, I know it is common practice to quote only portions of a conversation or sentence to write an article. It just seems like if the smoking gun was actually there they would quote the whole thing.

GreggieN

November 11th, 2010
11:24 am

@Redneck:

lol, good one

G8R GRAD

November 11th, 2010
11:24 am

Jason:

“Hard ot beat the Gators when the refs are on Vegas’ pocket.”

:-D

tigertracker

November 11th, 2010
11:26 am

@techgirl, the SEC should have pushed them harder if they thought it was credible. By the same token when the SEC office asks for something it shouldn’t take 6 months to produce it regardless of what else is going on.

Hit A Single

November 11th, 2010
11:28 am

Wow! Auburn undefeated again and no NC title. Could happen if rumors are found to be true. How much can Tiger fans take?

Tim E

November 11th, 2010
11:32 am

I’m hearing that something happened, but they’re not quite sure what happened. Hmmmm…..something is happening.

nmdawg

November 11th, 2010
11:32 am

wes

I think we just look at it differently. I’m not sure that I have read that he KNEW the laptop was stolen. What I read was he got a good deal (although common sense should enter into the equation somewhere along the line.) Traffic violations, to me, don’t make you a “thug”, but rather a lousy driver, and probably in his case, someone who feels entitled because he is a major college football players. Entitlement also does not necessarily mean “thug”, either.

I am surprised, though, that you did not bring up the academic scandle portion. I take that part pretty seriously, because that is maybe the biggest of the violations that have been alledged. Anyone who actually worked their way through college on their own merit has to be sickened if that allegation is true. However, even if true, he could have gotten his grades (and eligibility) back through course work in Junior College and on line activities. A stretch, I admit, but possible. My point is that until there are anything other than “allegations” from unnamed or unreliable sources, we should give AU and the kid the benifit of the doubt.

If later it turns out that the allegations are true and can be proven, and that AU, the kid, and the coaches knew but lied or covered up, then I would be in favor of BIG TIME sanctions. At that point, they would be proven liars and cheats, not alleged.

TrishaDishaWarEagle

November 11th, 2010
11:34 am

We won the bidding war and there ain’t a damn thing any of y’all can do about it now.

WAR CAM EAGLE!!!

Paul in RDU

November 11th, 2010
11:34 am

Now we have rumors of taped phone calls? This would be a doozy if true – violations of the federal wire tapping laws! This is getting crazier by the day.

Paul in Memphis

November 11th, 2010
11:37 am

Taped conversations. Were they telephone calls?

Driving Ms Dooley

November 11th, 2010
11:38 am

Yeah Paul I heard that same rumor.

Your Honor, we have proof in the form of a taped conversation. Well it’s rumored proof.

And sir, we have also heard that Cam is actually Tam. That’s right sir, he’s a she. A fine football player but obviously ineligible because woman can’t play football.

Anonymous

November 11th, 2010
11:39 am

Will y’all please stop mixing metaphors?!!
The “horse” has already left the barn and I don’t have a dog in this “fight.”
Jeez!

Paul in Memphis

November 11th, 2010
11:40 am

Hit A Single

November 11th, 2010
11:40 am

Tim – I am like you, something happened and and if it happened then something is going to happen to the guilty party. Sh_t Happens!

BAMA dude

November 11th, 2010
11:40 am

Paul and Paul, those rumors have been around for days. Who knows what the NCAA has? I haven’t seen anything credible about tapes.

Paul in Memphis

November 11th, 2010
11:42 am

I don’t know about tapes, but they have pictures!

NothingNew

November 11th, 2010
11:43 am

RedNeck Bammer shows how stupid he is. It’s obvious by his name and where he received his education. Depressing.

how2fish

November 11th, 2010
11:43 am

@Anonymous truth to tell we have a heck of a lot more metaphors than we do facts on this issue.

Anonymous

November 11th, 2010
11:44 am

I STILL say Cam is responsible for the mystery missle shot off the California coast!

Driving Ms Dooley

November 11th, 2010
11:44 am

Does anybody care that the guy who started this mess lied about talking to Kenny Rogers? Bond. John Bond.

And the only other proof is heresay evidence by two other Ms State backers.

Again, it probably happened. But as long as the Newtons didn’t pull an AJ and deposit paper sacks full of money into the bank, then how is the NCAA going to suspend him.

NothingNew

November 11th, 2010
11:47 am

I just hate being pwned by a redneck.

TrishaDishaWarEagle

November 11th, 2010
11:48 am

You go Ms Dooley!

Everybody does it, but Auburn does it better!

BAMA dude

November 11th, 2010
11:48 am

The only reference I have seen to the conversations being taped can be found HERE. I don’t put much stock in it but it has been linked to from several places.

Paul in RDU

November 11th, 2010
11:52 am

BAMA dude – I haven’t seen any hard evidence anywhere that Cam Newton has committed a violation . I don’t think that this is going to end well for a number of people, but right now there sure are plenty of rumors, anonymous sources, etc.
This entire cluster#@*! is a fascinating cultural experience

BAMA dude

November 11th, 2010
11:57 am

Mo hard evidence, but Joe Schad seems awfully confident in his sources. It will be very interesting.

BAMA dude

November 11th, 2010
11:58 am

*No hard evidence…

BAMA dude

November 11th, 2010
11:58 am

TrishaDishaWarEagle

November 11th, 2010
11:48 am
You go Ms Dooley!

Everybody does it, but Auburn does it better!

Well, they do lead the SEC in probation.

ratherBgambling

November 11th, 2010
11:58 am

Laptops, 200K, cheating……………Somebody prove something or lets move on.

There is football being played this weekend!

TrishaDishaWarEagle

November 11th, 2010
12:01 pm

You can’t prove anything, so yes… let’s move on.

Cam is playing this weekend and Auburn will crush the Dawgs!

Driving Ms Dooley

November 11th, 2010
12:11 pm

Amen RatherB

ss

November 11th, 2010
12:12 pm

Noble = telling the truth and being honest. I am still looking for anything that MSU has done other than that. Auburn on the other hand…

Duckafawg

November 11th, 2010
12:13 pm

@Jason: it must be pure hell with the whole world against you, huh???

Don

November 11th, 2010
12:15 pm

The only thing that matters here is “was Newton payed to come to Auburn?” The cheating(tho serious) and the fact that he “May” have been about to be expelled from FL do not matter. He went to another school and they accepted him (after getting his transcript from FL) which is the normal way that colleges work. His transcript was accepted fro entry to school. He may have been on probation until he made the grades. Evidently they were good enough grades to get him into Auburn(which is a great school). Another question comes to my mind is this HOW MANY PEOPLE REALLY KNEW THAT NEWTON WOULD BE THIS FANTASTIC FOOTBALL PLAYER THAT HE HAS BECOME? It seems illogical to be paying money for someone who has never played for that school and would not know he would become the killer player that he is. They saw potential but Heisman quality, I doubt it. Let the guy rest and see what happens. He will HELP beat GA this Saturday and there will be a cast of players that will show up and they will HELP beat GA. Auburn is not a one man team but a TEAM.

Half Century Dawg Fan

November 11th, 2010
12:18 pm

@Jason, your an embarrassment to UGA, please quit posting.

Robbie E.

November 11th, 2010
12:19 pm

Cam’s recruitment to Auburn was legit, but he asked for $$ to play at Miss State,
so is Auburn in trouble? Is Cam ineligible?

Driving Ms Dooley

November 11th, 2010
12:23 pm

Don,

Auburn is not a one man team? Well maybe not, but without Cam, they are maybe 6-4. The only reason everyone cares so much is that this guy is a freak of an athlete. He’s actually a very pure passer but that takes a backseat to his power, speed and open field instincts.

My only conspiracy theory involves the Auburn offensive coaches. My theory states that they won’t let him throw alot because they want the NFL scouts to say that he’s just another running college QB. Then the coaches will say: ok Cam if you come back for your senior year, we promise to let you throw it 35 times a game. But that obviously won’t work because the man/child is eager to get a paycheck–a bigger paycheck.

ROLLTIDE 12

November 11th, 2010
12:24 pm

The penalties for ga started when all the ga players ran out on the field against fl.The refs said that was a very dangerous thing for a coach to get his players to do.They will keep finding stuff on newton because of the way he has acted in the past.

TrishaDishaWarEagle

November 11th, 2010
12:24 pm

I’m with Don. If you can’t prove it, then STFU!

Nobody had a clue that Cam could play ball. He’d still be at Florida if Urban thought he could play. Coach Chizek taught him everything that he knows.

WAR CAM EAGLE!!!

Atlanta Gator

November 11th, 2010
12:24 pm

“This mess has gotten way out of hand and everyone needs to just step back, take a deep breath and let the investigators do their jobs. Too many so-called ‘experts’ out there just trying to get a front page story with nothing but rumor and speculation.”

Exactly right.

Hit A Single

November 11th, 2010
12:26 pm

Is it true that Cam’s daddy is negotiating with the Dallas Cowboys?

Atlanta Gator

November 11th, 2010
12:27 pm

BAMA dude—-

Didn’t your mother ever tell you about “glass houses?” LOL

Better leave that one alone. Kharma is a b!tch with a very rich, ironic and rough sense of justice.

Coach O

November 11th, 2010
12:28 pm

@Atlanta Gator

You’re right. We’ll just have to wait for the investigation to play out — like we did with Reggie Bush.

Coach O

November 11th, 2010
12:29 pm

We should know something in four or five years.

Hit A Single

November 11th, 2010
12:30 pm

All kidding aside, it is sad that a kid can’t enjoy his high school years and then sign with the school he wants to and not the one his daddy wants him to. If this is true, this is nothing but child slavery. When a dad sells the services of his kid that is flat out wrong.

gdawginkalamazoo

November 11th, 2010
12:33 pm

God Bless our Veterans!

gdawginkalamazoo

November 11th, 2010
12:33 pm

Is it Saturday yet? The fan has too much sh!t on it to stay running much longer.

Atlanta Gator

November 11th, 2010
12:34 pm

Coach O—-

Let’s just be thankful that the NCAA isn’t in charge of investigating alleged nuclear bomb plots by Al Qaeda.

Driving Ms Dooley

November 11th, 2010
12:36 pm

Hit A Single,
You must have missed Tony’s “special place in hell” blog from a couple of days ago.

Please don’t feel bad for Cam Newton. The guy lives the life of a superstar college football player in the SEC and he will soon have a $50 million contract in the NFL.

There is a reason he smiles so much. And it’s not because he’s doing well in his classes

Coach O

November 11th, 2010
12:36 pm

Meh… Al Qaeda nukes are much less likely than payola in CFB.

Driving Ms Dooley

November 11th, 2010
12:39 pm

Coach O,
The NCAA is slow and almost powerless. Tony had one of their staff on one of his shows (he’s a multimedia guy and hard to keep up with). They are woefully understaffed and there is no way they can enforce the rules. In addition to that, they are toothless when it comes to making changes to the system–like a playoff.

Go figure. The NCAA lets a third party group–the BCS–determine its mythical champion.

Hit A Single

November 11th, 2010
12:41 pm

Driving Ms Dooley- I do not feel bad for Newton. I am referring to all the kids out there that are used by their parents and there are plenty of them. Kind of like having a child just to get a check. I knew Newton was trouble or he would still be at Florida. No sympathy for him, because this is just the beginning.

G8R GRAD

November 11th, 2010
12:42 pm

The 2011 gator schedule is out.
No “short row to hoe.”

FAU
UAB
UT
@UK
UA
@LSU
@AU
UGA (Jax)
VU
@USCe
Furman (Homecoming)
FSU

PonGT

November 11th, 2010
12:43 pm

Amen! Good Job Mr B. Emotions are always the enemy to truth and justice. Right now, everyone needs to take a chill pill and let the SEC/NCAA do its job.

Ed Huffington

November 11th, 2010
12:46 pm

Tony, you can poke fun at us so-called “conspiracy theorists” all you want, but if you don’t see Bush, Cheney, Haliburton, and the House of Saud’s role in all of this, then you must have flunked Strained Logic 101.

I also think that Tim Tebow and Cam Newton are alien plants designed to deny UGA from winning another championship in my lifetime. I mean, huge quarterbacks who can run and throw? Not in this solar system.

Prove me wrong.

Coach O

November 11th, 2010
12:47 pm

@Driving Ms Dooley

Exactly. Why worry about NCAA investigations? By the time they conclude an investigation, everyone involved in the original infraction is long gone and laughing all the way to the bank.

G8R GRAD

November 11th, 2010
12:51 pm

Sorry:

The 2011 Gator Football schedule is out.
No “short row to hoe.”

FAU
UAB
UT
@UK
UA
@LSU
@AU
UGA (Jax)
VU
@USCe
Furman
FSU

Ed (The Original)

November 11th, 2010
12:51 pm

I see that UF has scheduled themselves a guaranteed three wins. Four if Richt is still the Georgia coach.

G8R GRAD

November 11th, 2010
12:52 pm

Have any other programs released next year’s schedule yet?

MURPHY

November 11th, 2010
12:52 pm

G8R GRAD,

LSU and AU back to back away-woha! nasty stuff

SOUTHGADAWG88

November 11th, 2010
12:54 pm

Thing that get’s me about this situation is the father’s mysteriously saying he can neither conform nor deny some of these allegations.His father being a minister just makes that CIA stance a bit strange

Coach O

November 11th, 2010
12:54 pm

No “short row to hoe”?

Nope. It’s 12 games. Six of them aren’t cupcakes.

SOUTHGADAWG88

November 11th, 2010
12:55 pm

confirm that is

Coach O

November 11th, 2010
12:58 pm

G8R GRAD

November 11th, 2010
12:52 pm

Have any other programs released next year’s schedule yet?

http://www.secfootball.itgo.com/2011schedule.html

scott

November 11th, 2010
12:58 pm

I am a big dawg fan…and the last few season have been hard to stomach. But Jason …you’re an idiot. I assume you’re a student so go to class. Your comments are giving dog fans a bad name.

Vegas must have paid off A.Murray too for throwing 4 interceptions and a fumble. Caleb and Ealey’s key fumbles lost the CU, SC, MSU games…along with bad coaching.we may have had more roster talent than most SEC teams the last two years and have way under-performed.

The TCU coaches have done a lot with a little…UGA has done little with a lot.

But….with that said…a mediocre team trying to make a bowl in 2006 went to auburn and beat the 5th ranked tigers pretty good. So lets see what happens.

Jason…I said go to class we can all cry about the refs over a beer after you done with classes.

Coach O

November 11th, 2010
1:00 pm

@SOUTHGADAWG88

I wouldn’t get too caught up in the whole “minister” thing.

gdawginkalamazoo

November 11th, 2010
1:02 pm

Whoa people, 2006 has absolutely nothing to do with 2010. I would rather stake the possible outcome of this game based on the 100+ years that it has been played, close very close.

SOUTHGADAWG88

November 11th, 2010
1:03 pm

I’m Old school coach…being a minister is not some trivial thing IMO.I hear you though.

Coach O

November 11th, 2010
1:04 pm

If Georgia wins it, will there be a hose party after the game?

Not So Fast

November 11th, 2010
1:18 pm

Hey Coach O:

The Reggie Bush case should show us other important presedent. The only “evidence” against USC was provided by the would be agent who acted against the interest of USC trying to lure Bush out of USC to the NFL. When Bush didn’t pay the money back he made charges. Bush/Cam and his daddy?Cecil mirror each other. The guy who will blow this open is the dude who represented papa Newton. he will sing and the Auburn house will fall.

SOUTHGADAWG88

November 11th, 2010
1:21 pm

Well at least we haven’t gotten caught up in this type of foolishness during Richt’s tenure.

ADL

November 11th, 2010
1:25 pm

Gene Chizik will take over the HC position at UGA after Mark Richt leaves for Miami. Auburn hires Dan Mullen and Mike Shula replaces him as HC at MSU.

Who takes Saban’s place when he leaves to coach the Cowboys next year?

KR

November 11th, 2010
1:28 pm

I’m still waiting for some concrete evidence before I form my opinion. However, I find some things intrigue me:

1. Why did MSU wait until after Newton signed with Auburn to report the alleged improper contact? They would look much more altruistic if they had done so when it is alleged to have occurred.

2. Why did the SEC allow MSU to delay their submission of the additional information for 6 months?

3. Why did John Bond feel the need to stir things up again last week, after it had been sent through the appropriate channels months earlier?

4. Why bring up the academic issues and the driving issues? They aren’t relevant to his eligibility. Doing that makes the process seem like a personal attack on Newton rather than someone trying to look out for the good of college football.

Coach O

November 11th, 2010
1:30 pm

Coach O

November 11th, 2010
1:32 pm

@KR

Isn’t it obvious? Everyone’s out to get Auburn.

Except for the one’s out to get Georgia — right Jason?

jumbeauxtiger

November 11th, 2010
1:35 pm

G8R Grad, That’s an October gauntlet you have in 2011 with Alabama, LSU, Auburn and UGA.

I’m afraid the trainers for any team would be busy after that stretch.

Monkey Says

November 11th, 2010
1:35 pm

Tony..very nice article, I guess anytime you do not write anything negative about the state schools it is a good day.

Now onto the Cameron Newton saga and a more realistic version of events even if it is filling in some holes.

Gene Chizik was not a popular initial hire at Auburn. There were fans greeting Coach Chizik at the Airport with cat calls and heckles. Gene Chizik knew he needed to make a splash in Auburn immediately. He had just left an atrocious Iowa St. program no better than he had found it. So what does he do? He hires an Offensive Gunslinger in Gus Malzhan. Gus Malzhan runs an offense that is very unorthodox and relies on big plays made with diversion and misdirection. Coach Malzahn started off the 09 season with 5 straight wins and life on the plains was good and he had bought himself some time with the Auburn Family. Then the wheels started to fall off the Tiger Train and he loses 5 OF 7 and the Auburn Family starts rumblings, even after keeping the Iron Bowl in Auburn game close with Alabama winning in the final minutes. Gene saw Alabama go on to win the BCS TITLE and he knew he needs some major additions to keep the boosters in Auburn happy.

We all know the story of Cameron Newton at Florida, we thought, until someone leaked the story about the grades and being brought up on cheating charges. We found out that the reason for leaving campus in Gainesville at little to do with backing up Tim Tebow or Lap Tops. The possiblity of more bad press and expulsion added fuel to the flame. So he goes to the JC and leads his school to the NJCAA Title game. Cameron Newton was hot property to any Division I program. We all know that his former position coach – Dan Mullen was now at Mississippi St and he had the inside track to garner Newton’s signature on National Signing Day. What we did not know was a character named Rogers got involved with the the Newton Family to aid in placing Cameron with the best program. What has come out now is the good possiblity that it would take more than a scholarship to land the 6 foot 6 inch Monster Quarterback. As we are finding out now, it was going to take CASH.

Back to Gene Chizik and Auburn, after looking across the state in Tuscaloosa he saw the PROGRAM that was being by Nick Saban and knew the fan base in Auburn could not and would not like seeing any more domination by a Crimson Tide program and becoming a little brother of the Uof A program. Everyday that passed the Alabama program was stretching that lead with Athletes, facilities, coaches and wins. Gene Chizik spoke with boosters, supporters everyday and at some point he probably stated that he need a playmaker to run his offense and he knew the quarterback position was the main area of concern. The Cameron Newton name was brought up and the cycle of recruitment intensified. At some point one of the family friends or Rogers got in touch with the the Auburn recruiters and the thought of landing a 6 foot 6 inch machine was too good to pass up. Negotiations began and anyone thinks for a second Cecil Newton did not spear head this process are not familiar with Religion and Politics in the deep south. Money passes through both like water passes through a 18 inch water main.

Cameron Newton knew he could run the Mullen offense and be the center cog in the wheel as Tim Tebow had done at Florida. But money offered changed that in a last minute negotiation he ends up at Auburn.

Now we have seen in the past 25 years programs in the SEC that have taken shortcuts and where they fell on the NCAA investigative side. UF with Charlie Pell, Miss.St. with Jackie Sherril, Auburn with several coaches before Tommy Tuberville, Ole Miss with several coaches prior to and after Tommy Tuberville, Alabama with Mike Dubose, Kentucky with Hal Mumme, UGA with Ray Goff, and now Tennessee post Lane Kiffin. Taking shortcuts does have its advantages, but in the long haul the cheaters take more and more and the talk among high school recruits spreads and the word soon reaches the offices of the NCAA. High School kids can not keep their mouths shut, look at every high school boy who beds a hot female teacher, they run their mouth and the teacher gets fired and sent to jail. Dumb high school kids talk.

Did Gene Chizik know what was going on with Cameron Newton..you can bet your home on it, but as good adminstrators and CEO’s do, they always have “plausible deniability”.

Auburn, Cameron Newton, Gus Malzhan, DT Fairley, the offensive linemen and Auburns best defensive players will be gone and the SEC CG will have been played, the BCS CG will have been played and Gene Chizik will have bought himself some time and some good memories of a great season to think back on. The biggest question will be what consequences will that lead to future sanctions to a program that took those limo shortcuts and high stylin an profiling wins?

KR

November 11th, 2010
1:43 pm

Coach O: I never said anyone was out to get Auburn. I just posted the questions I have in my mind based on the sketchy allegations that have been released so far.

Any conclusions you came to were your own.

I Like Concise

November 11th, 2010
1:46 pm

Monkey Says

That was like reading Tolstoy

Coach O

November 11th, 2010
1:47 pm

I concluded that you are an Auburn fan. Did I get it right?

Monkey Says

November 11th, 2010
1:49 pm

Concise…..I like Tolstoy…..wanted to be more like Lewis Grizzard but the Auburn Fans could not get the humor…

Monkey Says

November 11th, 2010
1:51 pm

Pat Dye stated on Monday night on Finebaum that “EVERYONE WAS OUT TO GET AUBURN AND NO ONE WANTED TO SEE AUBURN DO WELL OR WIN …EVER”

Pat Dye always the victim….

petemil

November 11th, 2010
1:53 pm

miss. st. says they reported it in jan. but the sec has no record of that report? if miss. st. lied about reporting it what elese have they lied about?

KR

November 11th, 2010
1:53 pm

Coach O: Yes, I am an Auburn fan (Class of 1985). Does that mean I’m not allowed to ask questions?

How about you? You are a fan of which school?

Monkey Says

November 11th, 2010
1:53 pm

Something that will be settled on Saturday Night…

Pacquiao beats Margarito even after a poor training camp….

Monkey Says

November 11th, 2010
1:59 pm

petemil……where did you get the story that Miss. St. reported in January but the SEC office had no report of it? The SEC did have the information and requested more but the Compliance office was working on eligibilty issue with players already enrolled in the institution.

I guess everyone is lying but Auburn and Cecil Newton and Cameron Newton…..there are now 5 independent reports that it was going to take “more than a scholarship ” to get Cameron Newton to sign. The KEY Players…..Miss. St., Auburn, Tennessee, Oklahoma and in post script Florida, but even the Florida thing is a reach and that was only his academic standing issues while at Florida.

Once again…Auburn is the victim….right?

The latest...

November 11th, 2010
2:12 pm

OK, take this with a grain of salt but here’s what’s being speculated around town (if there’s any truth to it then it’s a whopper):

For those who have never heard the story, a casino owner named Milton McGregor (he owns the VictoryLand track) was arrested and charged a month ago in an alleged vote buying scheme to legalize gambling. Can anyone guess where he went to college? One Auburn University, to whom he just donated $1MM in 2008 for the purpose of building a basketball arena. Needless to say, he is a MAJOR booster for the program. In any case, the FBI had all of his phones tapped starting sometime in the Spring of 2009. All of this is verifiable, recorded information. Here’s the speculative part:

The rumor around town now is that there ARE Cecil tapes, but not necessarily between the Newtons and MSU. These tapes are supposedly between Cecil and McGregor, the source of whatever money actually got paid to lure Cam to Auburn. The FBI is in possession of the tapes and turned the info over to the NCAA about a month ago upon finishing their surveillance- they stumbled across the conversations while monitoring McGregor.

Again, grain of salt at this point but this is something that’s just ramped up.

Driving Ms Dooley

November 11th, 2010
2:13 pm

KR:
KR

November 11th, 2010
1:28 pm
I’m still waiting for some concrete evidence before I form my opinion. However, I find some things intrigue me:

1. Why did MSU wait until after Newton signed with Auburn to report the alleged improper contact? They would look much more altruistic if they had done so when it is alleged to have occurred.
A: They kept recruiting him but couldn’t raise the money. Cam was not a proven entity at that point

2. Why did the SEC allow MSU to delay their submission of the additional information for 6 months?
A: Because this didn’t look like much on the surface. Still doesn’t. John Bond watched Cam dominate the college landscape week after week and it was killing him. So he had to go tattle tale to the media because the reports to the NCAA weren’t stopping Cam just like LSUs defense couln’t.

3. Why did John Bond feel the need to stir things up again last week, after it had been sent through the appropriate channels months earlier?
A: Because had a chance to get Cam and it’s killing him that Cam turned out to be that good.

4. Why bring up the academic issues and the driving issues? They aren’t relevant to his eligibility. Doing that makes the process seem like a personal attack on Newton rather than someone trying to look out for the good of college football
A: that ones easy. It IS a personal attack on Newton. My gosh, people on here yesterday wanted him suspended for unpaid traffic tickets.

This is an accusation–probably true–that has no hard evidence. And it happens all the time. It’s just killing Bond, John Bond, that he let this one slip through the cracks.
One last thing: I don’t think that every school in the SEC has a booster pay-for-play system in place. Especially if the coach hasn’t been there long enough to be golfing buddies with the wealthy ones. But it does happen and NCAA doesn’t have the staff to police it. End of story.
Weagle Weagle War Cam Eagle.

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messenger

November 11th, 2010
2:16 pm

Early in 2010, MSU changed Athletic Directors. Greg Byrne resigned to go to Arizona. Scott Stricklin was hired a few months later. So he steps in, has things to catch up on, has some urgent things to deal with in the basketball program, and then moves his attention to Auburn.

That’s why it took from January to July for MSU to respond.

gdawginkalamazoo

November 11th, 2010
2:26 pm

I can’t wait until Oliver Stone makes the movie for this thing. Or would Michael Moore be better?

Mindy

November 11th, 2010
2:28 pm

Monkey says: Now onto the Cameron Newton saga and a more realistic version of events even if it is filling in some holes.

Monkey, tha was sooooommmmme yarn you spun!! I got out the popcorn and everything!! Now, if only any of these alleged conversations/scenarios/plots that you’ve put in / made up, were remotely true!! Wow! think of the major sports novel you could’ve written!! Instead, it’ll probably be more of a skit on MAD TV.

Mindy

November 11th, 2010
2:31 pm

That’s why it took from January to July for MSU to respond.

Quick question, when did all the negotiations / jockeying for Newton take place? Shouldn’t it have taken place before January? And if so, why did MSU wait unti January to tell someone? Just asking…….

gdawginkalamazoo

November 11th, 2010
2:36 pm

Did anybody ask Kodi Burns about this yet?

G8R GRAD

November 11th, 2010
2:39 pm

Coach O:

“Nope. It’s 12 games. Six of them aren’t cupcakes.”

And your team’s schedule?

BAMA dude

November 11th, 2010
2:42 pm

Well, looks like speculation is still rampant. Who knows what will come of this? Milton McGregor and Bobby Lowder were business partners and are always the first names tossed out if Auburn is accused of cheatin’. Will be interesting to see what comes of all this.

monkeys says

November 11th, 2010
2:46 pm

Mindy….I know you have on your orange and blue colored glasses, but I can guarantee you that I am alot more closer to the truth than even you want to admit and on top of that the entire case is going to blow up in the face of the ones who did actively use monetary influence to buy Cameron Newton and Cecil Newton.

Apparently Mindy you have not been active in College Athletics as I have been for the past 30 plus years and have witnessed the issues related to collegiate recruiting in various sports and the inappropriate conduct of coaches, boosters, and support personnel. So dear if you think this Auburn thing is some kind of vendetta, keep on wishing and praying every night because if that soothes your imagination good for you, but in the real world this whole thing is going to create a major problems for the University of Auburn and another black eye for the SEC..

East Side E

November 11th, 2010
2:51 pm

i thought auburn rednecks said urban meyer turned them in to the ncaa? Now, they are blaming miss state? who paid off newton–lowder or some other millionaire booster?/

G8R GRAD

November 11th, 2010
2:53 pm

Coach O:

Can I presume your loyalties lie with an SEC West team?

G8R GRAD

November 11th, 2010
2:55 pm

Esat Side E:

“i thought auburn rednecks said urban meyer turned them in to the ncaa?”

It just KILLS you to think otherwise doesn’t it!

:-D

northern sympathizer

November 11th, 2010
2:59 pm

MSU was probably slow in reporting to the SEC on Newton because they didn’t want to be accused of torpedoing Auburn the way Fullmer was accused years ago by Bama. SEC fans harbor grudges.

It seems like respect for the rules in on the downward slope among players and possibly programs.

The Watergirl

November 11th, 2010
3:01 pm

As a true UGA fan I want Auburn’s best and win or lose Newton is their best. Why would you want a lame ass suspension because if we beat AU then it wont mean anything at all.
The only comical part will be AU back on top just to forfeit a season away and a heisman away and back on probation!!!

ManUp...

November 11th, 2010
3:01 pm

This is a shame. Auburn wants a MNC so badly it hurts them. So many close calls and not much hardware. But you gotta do it the fair way. I almost kinda feel for them a little…almost.

On one note, I’m kind of ready for some SEC parity to give them the same bad-tasting post season medicine it gives some other conferences. I’m hoping to see Oregon vs. anyone in the BCS-NCG. I’d love it if all SEC teams had a loss and couldn’t make it to the big dance. Maybe Oregon vs. TCU? I’d watch. I mean I’d watch Oregon win, that is.

Sure hope for the sake of sweet Southern football that the allegations aren’t true, though.

G8R GRAD

November 11th, 2010
3:05 pm

I can’t believe the Gators are favored by a TD in Saturday night’s game!
What do the guys in Vegas know that the rest of us don’t?

G8R GRAD

November 11th, 2010
3:08 pm

And they’re taking UGA and anywhere from 7.7 to 8.5?

G8R GRAD

November 11th, 2010
3:08 pm

Sorry:

“7.5 to 8.5″

Robbie E.

November 11th, 2010
3:12 pm

DAN MULLAN going to the media…..CLASSY … enjoy the liberty bowl loser

Larry

November 11th, 2010
3:13 pm

Since Cam’s dad is a minister there is no way he would take money illegally from anyone….ha ha !!!

SEC Fan

November 11th, 2010
3:14 pm

@G8R GRAD

3:05 pm

The guys in Vegas know Coach Superior’s history at SC. I’m surprised that you’re surprised. I’d give the Gators a 2 TD edge.

G8R GRAD

November 11th, 2010
3:25 pm

Bless you, SEC fan.
You’ve made my day.
I can only hope we don’t disappoint you!

SEC Fan

November 11th, 2010
3:32 pm

Made your day? I can do better than that. Check out the cover of ESPN the magazine’s new “body issue”. The US Womens Water Polo Team — au naturale.

http://tedwilliamshead.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/ESPN-the-magazine-us-womens-water-polo.jpg

GaCracker

November 11th, 2010
3:34 pm

Give Newton a fair trial and then HANG HIM!

gdawginkalamazoo

November 11th, 2010
3:34 pm

G8R GRAD, regarding the schedules, I heard that our schedule for 2011 “sets up real nice.” Translated it means 7-6 or 9-4 on the high side.

Minister Farakan

November 11th, 2010
3:34 pm

This is a smear campaign by the WHITE MEDIA. The media has always been against blacks.

Minister Farakan

November 11th, 2010
3:35 pm

Look at all you white people make these racist comments.

how2fish

November 11th, 2010
3:39 pm

Minister Farakan thanks for just being you………..

G8R GRAD

November 11th, 2010
3:42 pm

gdawg:
That it does.
The month of October looks ugly for us.

Frank

November 11th, 2010
3:43 pm

i wish someone knew what Buck Blows..I mean Buck Blew thinks about all this. after all, wasn’t he and John Bond blow buddies from Valdosta?

G8R GRAD

November 11th, 2010
3:43 pm

Curious how we both have bye weeks before Jacksonville!

G8R GRAD

November 11th, 2010
3:45 pm

G8R GRAD

November 11th, 2010
3:47 pm

SEC fan:
Regarding the link you provided:
You’re a man after my own heart.
Inspirational!

Kenny Rogers

November 11th, 2010
3:47 pm

I told them investigaters I don’t know nuthin bout no James Bond. I been busy all year shuttin down all these here chicken joints.

G8R GRAD

November 11th, 2010
3:49 pm

BTW:
Whatever happened to the Cheetah III (otherwise known as the “Spring Street Ballet”) ads on the Sports Page?

BAMA dude

November 11th, 2010
3:52 pm

Twitter just blew up again. Kenny Rogers apparently just told ESPN Dallas on air that Cecil told that it would take between $100K-$180K for Cam’s commitment.

BAMA dude

November 11th, 2010
3:53 pm

Station is 103.3 in Dallas

Kenny Rogers

November 11th, 2010
3:54 pm

BS! I ain’t never even been on ESPN.

justthefacts

November 11th, 2010
3:55 pm

So,how harsh is the penalty for lying to the FBI? Seriously,Who in their right mind is going to do this? NOT many I would say! This will not turn out well for 1 or 2 schools in the SEC West.

BAMA dude

November 11th, 2010
3:58 pm

Rogers also said that he was working with former MSU player Bill Bell to secure the funds. If his story checks out, Cam is done and Auburn just went 0-10.

tj

November 11th, 2010
3:59 pm

Bama is gonna beat the Barners like a drum in a couple of weeks. Auburn is no good and it would not surprise me for Georgia to beat them

Kenny Rogers

November 11th, 2010
4:00 pm

And I don’t even like Fig Newtons.

Them new strawberry one’s is pretty good though.

Driving Ms Dooley

November 11th, 2010
4:06 pm

Bama Dude.

So what is Kenny Rogers motivation for doing this? Just trying to understand. If this is what he does for a living, then he just shot himself in the foot. Now we have some smoke, but where’s the damned money?

Kenny Rogers

November 11th, 2010
4:08 pm

Where’s the damned money?

That’s what I said when all them chicken joints started goin under!

Driving Ms Dooley

November 11th, 2010
4:10 pm

At Bama Dude again,

The NCAA doesn’t try people on ESPN. They have to investigate and AGAIN, MONEY HAS TO CHANGE HANDS! AND THERE HAS TO BE A PAPER TRAIL. I’m not sold on 0-10 just yet.

Playing devils advocate (and I DO mean devils advocate), Cam will say he didn’t know his dad did it and when he found out they couldn’t get the money, he chose Auburn because they are a better program.

We still have no violation by Auburn. Just heresay by third parties who are NOT at AU

Driving Ms Dooley

November 11th, 2010
4:11 pm

At Kenny Rogers,

I’ll give you that one–the chicken joints. That’s hilarious. You just have to know when to fold em.

Kenny Rogers

November 11th, 2010
4:12 pm

I ain’t never been to Auburn neither. Where is Auburn?

Driving Ms Dooley

November 11th, 2010
4:15 pm

Kenny,

Everybody knows its next to Opelika

Kenny Rogers

November 11th, 2010
4:17 pm

Oh yeah. I think I had a chicken joint in Opelika. That’s in Georgia, ain’t it?

Driving Ms Dooley

November 11th, 2010
4:18 pm

Close enough.

jarvis

November 11th, 2010
4:20 pm

That and the fact that the entire GNP of Mississippi isn’t $200K. the State’s good people couldn’t afford him; they wouldn’t have been able to buy that new fire truck.

Driving Ms Dooley

November 11th, 2010
4:20 pm

Come on Bama Dude. whats the story. Don’t make me do my own research here. What’s being said out there?? Bigger question. Did Kenny Rogers represent Cam for Auburn??????????????????????? And if so, he should have a copy of a check or a picture of a bags of cash.

Kenny Rogers

November 11th, 2010
4:22 pm

Had one in Columbus too.

I just wish I’d quit gettin all these strange phone calls. Some feller named Fat Pie, or somethin was threatenin to come and give me a country boy azz whuppin.

KR

November 11th, 2010
4:22 pm

How is Rogers’ interview from today different from what has already been alleged? MSU said back in January that Rogers contacted them about paying for Newton.

Now he says he and Newton’s father talked about this. Can he back that up with proof or is he just trying to spread blame?

Did Rogers contact other universities or only his alma mater?

Kenny Rogers

November 11th, 2010
4:25 pm

The way that ol feller was coughin and wheezin, I don’t think he coulda whupped much of nuthin. I just hung up on him.

Kenny Rogers

November 11th, 2010
4:26 pm

Hey KR!

You and me might be related. We got the same initials.

Driving Ms Dooley

November 11th, 2010
4:28 pm

Ok, I didn’t realize that Kenny Rogers was ANOTHER MSU ALUM WHO HAS CHANGED HIS STORY AND HAS NO IDEA WHAT WENT ON AT AUBURN.

People you have got to realize that ESPN is not in charge of this investigation and they have quoted lies by MSU alum twice already. They web hit count must be huge.

Ok this is from ESPN:
“Rogers said he didn’t know anything about Newton’s recruitment at Auburn, or any other school. He said he had “no idea” why Newton chose Auburn and had no idea if Auburn paid Newton.

Last Friday, in an interview with ESPN 103.3 FM in Dallas, Rogers denied having solicited Newton to Mississippi State. ”

Very credible sources. Somebody get the rope!! If that aint enough evidence I don’t know what is..
Simmer down folks.

Kenny Rogers

November 11th, 2010
4:29 pm

Well. I better go check up on Miss Ruby.

Keep it down home Cuz!

Driving Ms Dooley

November 11th, 2010
4:30 pm

Where are you when I need you Trish?? The sky is falling again as more hard evidence–I mean heresay from MSU folks who keep changing there story and lawyer-in up–keeps on surfacing. I mean re-surfacing.

Driving Ms Dooley

November 11th, 2010
4:32 pm

Will somebody wake me up when a piece of increminating paper evidence shows up. Or at least some heresay by non MSU Alum. It’s too bad these two schools have already played each other cause it would be alot more fun now.

TrishaDishaWarEagle

November 11th, 2010
4:33 pm

I got important enjinering work to do. I can’t hold your hand all day Ms Dooley.

Driving Ms Dooley

November 11th, 2010
4:38 pm

I think I get it now. ESPN has been taking heat from the Big Ten because it seems that their football analysts are constantly saying that the SEC is the best conference.

The ONLY thing this story is doing is tearing down the SEC. That and the fact that now, a one loss SEC champ–be it LSU or Auburn–will not play for the NCG because of all of this back biting. TCU will be “polled in” instead. Ohio State fans are smiling right now.

Buckeye Bob

November 11th, 2010
4:42 pm

We’re just proud that we don’t have to play ANYBODY from the SEC. I don’t think we could even beat Tennessee this year.

;-)

Robbie E.

November 11th, 2010
4:42 pm

@ DrivingMsDooley

maybe Rogers knows there’s a tape/recording– so he has to tell the truth before the other show drops

Robbie E.

November 11th, 2010
4:43 pm

Buckeye Bob

November 11th, 2010
4:44 pm

Georgia… Maybe.

[...] is the speed at which the next shoe drops.  The regular news cycle can barely keep up – Barnhart’s column this morning didn’t even mention Schad’s allegations about what Cam and his dad were alleged to have [...]

Kenny Rogers

November 11th, 2010
4:48 pm

Oh yeah. I meant to leave y’all a song before I left.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu2LUOMJ9Lk&feature=fvw

SEC Fan

November 11th, 2010
4:53 pm

I remember those Roaster restaurants. My little girl used to call them Skinny Rogers.

BAMA dude

November 11th, 2010
4:54 pm

BAMA dude

November 11th, 2010
4:56 pm

Driving Ms Dooley

November 11th, 2010
4:28 pm
Ok, I didn’t realize that Kenny Rogers was ANOTHER MSU ALUM WHO HAS CHANGED HIS STORY AND HAS NO IDEA WHAT WENT ON AT AUBURN.

It doesn’t matter what went on at Auburn. If Cam or Cecil used Rogers to try to get money then Cam is ineligible due to an agent relationship. Period. Auburn vacates every game Cam played in.

blazer

November 11th, 2010
4:57 pm

a j greene pushes off every time too!!

Don Meredith

November 11th, 2010
4:59 pm

Turn out the lights Cam, the parties over

Poker Face

November 11th, 2010
5:01 pm

ESPN called their bluff and the SEC went ALL IN on Cam. Can the NCAA put a whole conference on probation?

SEC Fan

November 11th, 2010
5:01 pm

@blazer

If he’d gone to Auburn, he could afford to buy a new starter. Then he would have to push off.

SEC Fan

November 11th, 2010
5:02 pm

wouldn’t have to…

KR

November 11th, 2010
5:03 pm

BAMA dude: it matters to Auburn alums. We understand that this season may be vacated based on what may end up being proven, but the bigger issue for us is whether or not our University was involved in wrongdoing.

If the answer is yes, then the President, AD and Football coach will need to be held accountable. If it is a booster, then we need to cut ties with that booster and tighten up our activities. If it is contained to the player involved or his family, then we have to do a better job of screening our prospective scholarship recipients.

To Auburn alums, it about way more than just this season.

sunny purdue

November 11th, 2010
5:03 pm

Shouldn’t Schlabach ( the weasel) be beaten until he is unconscious for starting all this?

SEC Fan

November 11th, 2010
5:04 pm

@KR

You might want to start with finally getting Pat Dye out of the football program.

BAMA dude

November 11th, 2010
5:07 pm

KR, I appreciate that point. I was responding to those who seem to think that this season won’t be affected. The NCAA told the Birmingham News that a player asking for money to play is an NCAA violation in and of itself. Not for Auburn, obviously, unless Auburn paid him. It would just be an eligibility issue.

NCAA COI

November 11th, 2010
5:07 pm

“a spokesman said: “Generally speaking, if a third party is marketing a student-athlete, there could be potential agent violations. Under NCAA rules, it doesn’t matter what you call yourself or how you are compensated, the actions are what triggers agent violation rules.”

DADDY just cost Cammy his eligibility, and Auburn thier season.

KR

November 11th, 2010
5:10 pm

SEC Fan: what is it you think Pat Dye does for the Auburn football program?

Does anyone else find this piece of the Rogers interview cause for concern, or is it just me?

Rogers said Cecil Newton asked him, “What do you think is going to happen? Do you think it (the deal) is going to go through?”

Rogers said he told Newton, “I’ll call Bill Bell.”

Bell is a former teammate of Rogers at Mississippi State. Bell is the president of Bel-Mac Roofing in Santa Rosa, Fla.

Rogers said he left a message for Bell that Sunday. Why?

“If somebody’s asking for that kind of money, I don’t have that kind of money,” Rogers said. “I called somebody I was close to to see if he knew anybody.”

BAMA dude

November 11th, 2010
5:12 pm

It is important to note that Rogers had his attorney next to him for this interview. Chances are that he lied before to ESPN but has now gotten advice to come clean.

Cheating Again

November 11th, 2010
5:16 pm

Alabama and Auburn—always cheating in football to win. It never ends in that backward state. Why don’t they play by the same rules as other teams for once, and quit paying players?

Not So Fast

November 11th, 2010
5:17 pm

Hey BAMA dude:

If Cecil Newton is guilty of the actions he has been accused of his son lost his eligibility and any victories will be vacated.

AJ's Jersey

November 11th, 2010
5:19 pm

Okay, can someone explain something to me here. AJ was suspended for 4 games while the ncaa investigated Jersey gate. Why in the world is Cam not sitting on the sidelines while the NCAA gathers its stuff?

BAMA dude

November 11th, 2010
5:19 pm

Absolutely, NSF. Dan Wetzel just tweeted an NCAA rule that states this as a major violation. Majors are bad news.

BAMA dude

November 11th, 2010
5:21 pm

AJ’s Jersey

November 11th, 2010
5:19 pm
Okay, can someone explain something to me here. AJ was suspended for 4 games while the ncaa investigated Jersey gate. Why in the world is Cam not sitting on the sidelines while the NCAA gathers its stuff?

Because UGA was smart about it. The NCAA doesn’t suspend for things like this, they simply rule on eligibility. As soon as UGA found out about the allegations they pulled AJ pending the investigation. Auburn was notified of the investigation in July but decided to roll the dice and play him anyway. Not their smartest move if these allegations are true.

KR

November 11th, 2010
5:26 pm

AJ’s Jersey

November 11th, 2010
5:19 pm
Okay, can someone explain something to me here. AJ was suspended for 4 games while the ncaa investigated Jersey gate. Why in the world is Cam not sitting on the sidelines while the NCAA gathers its stuff?

BAMA dude is right. Also, AJ probably told his coaches what he did so they knew some type of suspension was coming. UGA voluntarily offered up 2 games but the NCAA required 4.

Auburn coaches probably asked Cam about this and he denied it. They believed him and chose to play him. The pending NCAA investigation will no doubt point out how smart or dumb that may have been.

justthefacts

November 11th, 2010
5:39 pm

bamadude,You nailed it! Rogers may have told a lie last week? But when this FBI stuff starts going on he tells the truth.Nobody going to lie to the feds because that would be crazy! I mean the heck with football you want to avoid jail.

bamaguy

November 11th, 2010
5:42 pm

If some Auburn alum or supporter ends up being guilty of something (I don’t think any member of the Athletic Department did anything wrong) I can only hope and pray it was Bobby Louder, talk about Karma!

BAMA dude

November 11th, 2010
5:43 pm

Wonder if Trisha will be on here soon spouting off about there being no evidence?

bamaguy

November 11th, 2010
5:45 pm

And as far as I am concerned “Bishop” Newton has the same level of credibility as “Bishop” Long.

Gatorman

November 11th, 2010
6:05 pm

If the dastardly deed was done, there will be a paper trail. Stay tuned for NCAA storm troopers as they will get to the truth. Newton will not receive the Heisman trophy and Auburn may have to forfeit the entire season. If the coach and AD were knowledgeable of what took place, there will be a whole new staff next year, and well indirectly Auburn will get their version of the death penalty. If would easily take 5-10 years to rebuild the program, but only if the payoff took place.

dap01

November 11th, 2010
6:16 pm

The SEC will probably blame George Bush.

TrishaDishaWarEagle

November 11th, 2010
6:18 pm

Coach Chizek just said that Cam WILL play on Saturday.

Cam IS eligible. He WILL play.

Auburn WILL beat the Dawgs and the Bummers!!!

WAR CAM EAGLE!!!

I am unanimous in that.

November 11th, 2010
6:24 pm

Cheating Again

November 11th, 2010
5:16 pm

Alabama and Auburn—always cheating in football to win. It never ends in that backward state. Why don’t they play by the same rules as other teams for once, and quit paying players?

Hmmm…

Alabama’s problems made their way into Tuscaloosa on the back of a Tennessee kid. Auburn’s problems rode in from Georgia. Sounds like the state of Alabama just needs to keep it down home.

dap01

November 11th, 2010
6:25 pm

Auburn may win the remaining of the games this year, but long after Computer CAM is gone, Auburn will be suffering with the consequences. (Reggie Bush/USC)

Saint Simons

November 11th, 2010
6:26 pm

I am a SWM looking for SWM. Like going out or staying home for a cozy evening.

IT IS WHAT IT IS

November 11th, 2010
6:34 pm

The NCAA and the associated universities get whatever they deserve. Billions of dollars are made off these kids, yet they still want to pretend big-time college sports are “amatuer”. Cam will go on and make millions, while Auburn may suffer later on. GOOD!

I am unanimous in that.

November 11th, 2010
6:42 pm

@IT IS WHAT IT IS

Is that you Charles?

I am unanimous in that.

November 11th, 2010
6:51 pm

But seriously. Only the athletes are ‘amateur’. Everyone understands that… or at least, they should. That’s the way it’s always been. That’s the way Olympic Athletics were, back when they mattered. The schools make money from the games – especially now that television revenue is involved. It can be argued that the athletes deserve to ‘wet their beaks’ on that huge pool of money, but there are plenty of good counter-arguments as well.

The money is the root of all of the problems with collegiate sports, but what can be done about it?

Cam Watch

November 11th, 2010
6:57 pm

My work here is done. Nothing more to watch. Move along.

Delbert D.

November 11th, 2010
7:05 pm

Here is what you should read: “How Broken Must College Football Be to Fix It?”

An excerpt of the article: “The fact is, the commerce in running backs and other valuable assets is an annual and regular proposition — foisted on the country by that assemblage called the National Collegiate Athletic Association.”

Today, New York Times web site, by George Vecsey.

NCAA COPS

November 11th, 2010
8:04 pm

Cheating again,

What was that about AU and Bama cheating? I see Georgia right up there tied for 4th with most major NCAA infractions cases with 6. Funny but I don’t see the univ of Alabama in there.

CHEATING HALL OF FAME THE TOP 29 NCAA DIVISION I TEAMS IN TERMS OF ALL-TIME MAJOR INFRACTIONS CASES.

Source is NCAA.ORG (ncaa legistlative database of major infractions cases)

1. Arizona state 8
2. SMU 8
3. Auburn, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Whichita State, and Wisconsin all with 7 each.
4. Cal, FSU, Georgia, Illinois, Kansas, Kansas State, Kentucky, Memphis, and UCLA with 6 major cases each.
5. Baylor, Cincinatti, Colorado, Miami, Fl., Michigan State, Mississippi State, NC State, Texas-Pan American, USC, UTEP, Washington, and West Virginia all with 5 major infractions cases each.

Scottie

November 11th, 2010
9:53 pm

When Georgia players flooded the field against Floida, penalties galore.

When Florida players flooded the field in overtime recently against Georgia, no penalties.

Add in the refs that got suspended after the Georgia/LSU game, amount of penalties called on Georgia in 2008/2009, easy to see somebody up high in the SEC is not pro-georgia.

Miles

November 12th, 2010
12:23 am

Cut to the chase…Cam Newton is a SCUMBAG!

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Cornu Hull

November 12th, 2010
7:12 am

When a father says he is “looking for something more”, it does not nesessarily mean money or material things. Yeah, you can say that phrase and the world thinks that obviously is what you’re referring to, because that’s the way our society is. Giving the father the benefit of the doubt there are numerous references other than money & material stuff the elder Newton could want for his son. Things that break no rules. If it plays out that Auburn and elder Newton broke rules of integrity, THROW THE BOOK AT THEM!

GT BABY

November 12th, 2010
12:22 pm

GT BABY

November 12th, 2010
12:25 pm

UGA=Worse fan base ever!

GT BABY

November 12th, 2010
12:25 pm

Jason- Biggest cry baby B&^%ch I’ve ever seen!

GT BABY

November 12th, 2010
12:27 pm

Vegas doesnt like us whhhhhaaaa whhhaaaaa….cry me a river d-bag!

GT BABY

November 12th, 2010
12:28 pm

Have Georgia fans ever stopped to think about their sorry coaching and thug players might be the reason we all say 1980 proudly?