The Humans Love Boise; the computers don’t

In 2003 USC finished No. 1 in the two human polls used in the BCS Standings (AP and Coaches). But when the final numbers were crunched, LSU and Oklahoma were the top two teams in the BCS standings and played for the national championship in the Sugar Bowl. USC won the Rose Bowl and finished No. 1 in the AP poll and was decared national champs by that news service.

Not wanting to have split national champions again,  the BCS changed its formula so that the human polls would count two thirds while the computers only accounted for one third. The thinking was that if the human polls agreed on the top two teams, the computers  would not override the will of the voters. The powers that be talked about making it a rule where the computers would only be used if the human polls did not agree. They ultimately decided not to put that language in the rules.

But right now  Boise State is No. 2 in the human polls but No. 3 in the BCS Standings. And Boise’s computer rankings (No. 7 average right now)  are only going to get worse as the season goes along.

Here are a couple of charts that show you what Boise is up against. The Broncos  may have won the hearts and minds of enough voters, but the computers, as we all know, don’t have a heart.

Here is a chart of the Top 10 teams in the BCS Standings and the teams in the Top 25 that they have played or are scheduled to play:

OKLAHOMA (4) : Florida State (17), Texas (19), Missouri (11), Oklahoma State (14)

BOISE STATE (1): Virginia Tech (25)

OREGON (2): Stanford (12), Arizona (18)

AUBURN (5): LSU (6), Alabama (8), Miss. State (24), Arkansas (23), South Carolina (21)

TCU (1): Utah (9)

LSU (5): Miss. State (24),  West Virginia (20), Auburn (4), Alabama (8), Arkansas (23)

MICHIGAN STATE: (2): Wisconsin (13), Iowa (15)

ALABAMA (5): Arkansas (23), S. Carolina (21), LSU (6), Miss. State (24), Auburn (4)

UTAH (1): TCU (5)

OHIO STATE (2): Wisconsin (13), Iowa (15)

You’ll note that Boise State has played or will play only one team in the Top 25: No. 25 Virginia Tech.

 Just for fun, here are the rankings of the rest of Boise State’s opponents according to the CBSSports.com Top 120:

Nevada (6-1)………….29

Hawaii (5-2)…………..38

Fresno State (4-2)..…63

La. Tech (3-4)…………77

Idaho (3-3)…………….82

Utah State (2-5)………86

The point is that as the season goes along Boise’s computer numbers are only going to drop. But chances are the voters won’t move them from No. 2 as as long the Broncos keep winning impresssively. The  exception I could see to that is if Auburn or LSU stays undefeated. One of those teams could eventually jump Boise.

So we could be in a situation where Boise stays No. 2 in the human polls but does not play in the Big Game.

Won’t that be a fun argument?  Would you have a problem with that? Woud it/Shoud it blow up the BCS?

And if it happens, could we have split national champions again? Could the AP decide to make Boise its national champ?

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Look for CPJ to be Clemson's next head coach..

October 19th, 2010
7:11 am

per Doug Roberson, yesterday CPJ called out the GT fans and we were too stupid to know; wrote Doug:

“Johnson said he doesn’t have a favorite road stadium, but noted that Clemson should be fun because, “they seem to fill their stadium up no matter who they play.”

If Dabo doesn’t get the job done next year I see them making a change – Clemson still has to pay T. Bowdon for one more year, then they will have to buy out Dabo (they gave him a $1mil raise this year, to $1.8mil), and I don’t believe CPJ has a buyout clause in his contract, plus Clemson is closer to his NC roots, and would thus be a logical “final stop” for his coaching career…

SatchelBuzz

October 19th, 2010
7:27 am

Boise State and TCU should be ranked in the 10-15 range. They don’t deserve to in the MNC discussion,….end of story.Thier respective inclusion in the top 5 is nothing more than political correctness run amok and it’s time it stops,…NOW!

..And it’s obvious that the initial poster this morning is a worried nadlicker,…nothing more,…move along now,…payback’s coming.

THWG!!

ATL is TigerTown

October 19th, 2010
7:29 am

Boise is a good football team, nobody is denying that. However, if they’re not in a BCS conference, they shouldn’t even be in the discussion. They have no business in a BCS Bowl. When they get with the program they can reap the benefits. Until then, as far as I’m concerned, they can sit on the sidelines with TCU and watch the big boys play ball.
For the record, Auburn runs the table. War Eagle!

See, SatchelBuzz..

October 19th, 2010
7:34 am

…the obsession with UGA continues – no one has mentioned UGA and you bring them into a discussion, and end it with the proverbial “good word” – that poster yesterday was correct, Techies ARE totally consumed with UGA, no matter what the topic…

Jake

October 19th, 2010
7:35 am

LSU’s nine lives will end this weekend. Auburn looks outstanding. Seems Newton just picks a hole and moves forward. No one has learned how to stop him and I don’t feel LSU can either. Auburn is now in the hunt for the National Championship. Tony too over looked them at the start of the season. No, I’m not an Auburn guy, but they look really great.

BIRDDAWGONE

October 19th, 2010
7:36 am

Want to see the lowest rating in the BSC championship history. Let Boise State and TCU play. This might just be what we need to get a playoff and have the champion decided on the field.

You Ain't-Know Gaily Whacker

October 19th, 2010
7:38 am

The Reporter: Mr. McGarity, are you pleased with the team in the last two games ?

Greg: You better believe it. Happy days are here again, until Saturday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBq8b0vrJYg&feature=related

Nobody could have predicted..

October 19th, 2010
7:41 am

..what Auburn has done so far – they ended last season in a regular season downspin; they had a new QB who had never played a down in D1 who had been kicked off his previous D1 team; and their defense was suspect (and still is) – but Cam Newton has played exceptionally well so it is what it is – how long it lasts remains to be seen…

Personally, I would love to see Boise State and TCU play for the MNC – that would mean they were the only undefeated teams left standing…

jumbeauxtiger

October 19th, 2010
7:43 am

Jake, Auburn looks outstanding on offense but to make it to Glendale their defense will have to improve.

Auburn grads couldn't get into UGA

October 19th, 2010
7:45 am

LSU has the best defense in the nation. Don’t see Cam “likes to steal laptops” Newton running over that defense. It has been a great ride Auburn. All good things must come to an end.

Jake

October 19th, 2010
7:47 am

If a team can score 60+ points against the Hoggs,, you can get by with an average defense.

Who is Boise?

October 19th, 2010
7:49 am

If Boise was willing to play more games on the road in opposing venues without requiring the home and home…they’d have at least another quality opponent or two and we could see how they play in a rabid opposition place. Currently they play nobody of note on the road! Probably twenty teams in the nation could run through that schedule without a loss.

Dawg_Mike

October 19th, 2010
7:49 am

I am interested to see what Chavis dials up to slow down Newton. I don’t think you can STOP him, just slow him down until help arrives.

lanier

October 19th, 2010
7:50 am

If Boise wants to play in the big game they should play a big time schedule. The qualification for the big game is beating big time opponents and they dont do that. There is no free lunch Boise

Jake

October 19th, 2010
7:51 am

Dawg_Mike,, that’s my point, once he gets a seam in the line,, he’s already gained 7-9 yards.

Dontavius Supremo

October 19th, 2010
7:54 am

Boise State, to be taken seriously by knowledgeable football fans, must play a serious schedule. Unless and until they do, no one in his right mind will compare them to a real football team. End of debate.

MURPHY

October 19th, 2010
7:54 am

Im pulling for Auburn to win this game. This is going to be tough for Cam and the offense though,Chavis is a very crafy D-Coord. The good part is the AU defense will have a better chance with the LSU offense than they did Arkansas. I dont see this to be high scoring. Im taking AU 21-14

MURPHY

October 19th, 2010
7:55 am

My last post was to Dawg_Mike,not on the subject of this article.

Jake

October 19th, 2010
7:58 am

The Vols played LSU staight up at LSU and should have won the game, but they put in their 5-4-4 defense which cost them the game on the final play.. Auburn has LSU at home and should take care of business. Yes, Chavis will have something up his sock, but I’m not sure his defense can not defend 11 players.

Charlie Bama

October 19th, 2010
8:00 am

Great analysis, Tony! But when the dust settles at the end of this season, it may take an Alabama, Auburn or Oklahome CHOMP & ROMP over Boise State to shut this whole arguement down for a few years. We’ll see.

Not a Tech or UGA Fan.....

October 19th, 2010
8:06 am

I totally agree with the BCS standings but you really can’t blame Boise St for not playing anyone because they have been willing to schedule anyone for their non-conference games and have had very few takers. VaTech agreed to play in DC but wasn’t going to do a home & home with them. Why would a team like Alabama or Flordia want to give up a sure win against Georgia St or Appalanchian St and play Boise St? In todays BCS system nothing good can come from playing teams like Boise St, Utah, or TCU right now but you sure can lose a lot.

SECisFootball

October 19th, 2010
8:08 am

Jake….Alabama had a few close games against lesser teams last year (UT and AU) and it turned out ok for them. AU is a one man team this year and if he is taken out of his running game (and forces to pass) or if he gets injured, AU is screwed. AU plays NO defense at all. For a league like the SEC, which prides itself on always having great defensive teams, AU is an embarrassment. On O, there is Cam and no one else. The running backs are irrelevent and the WR’s are stuck with a QB who cant really throw anything over a 15 yard pass…with any accuracy. The Auburn University Cam Newtow’s will face a team with a great defense and could very well be exposed. Win or lose, the Newton’s will lose to BAMA to end the season.

jumbeauxtiger

October 19th, 2010
8:08 am

Jake, if I recall Auburn has won several close games as well. That’s football and at the end of the day they still count as wins.

I’m sure Chavis will have a sound game plan. Whether the players execute is another thing.

KAW

October 19th, 2010
8:09 am

@Nobody could have…. FYI, Cam chose to leave the Gators. He was not kicked off.

KR

October 19th, 2010
8:11 am

A couple of clarifications here:

Newton did play D1 football prior to Auburn. If you’ve watched any of the games this year, you should have seen game footage of him wearing #13 for Florida.

Newton was not kicked off his previous D1 team.

Newton did not steal a laptop computer.

LSU should have the toughest defense Auburn has seen so far this year. As it has been every week this season, it should be interesting to see how AU adapts to the competition. However, THIS Auburn fan knows better than to discount the magic of “The Hat.”

Hopefully it’s another good game to watch.

SECisFootball

October 19th, 2010
8:12 am

Not a Tech or UGA Fan….why would BAMA give up playing a home and home with Oklahoma and Penn State or neutral site games with Clemson, Florida State, Virginia Tech or Michigan (2012 in Dallas)to play a home and home series with Boise State. As was writted a few weeks ago in the Birmingham News, Boise said they would play anyone anywhere and the BAMA AD was quoted as saying…”they never called me.” I think you arguement against Florida’s schedule is valid, but not Alabama.

Jake

October 19th, 2010
8:12 am

SECisFootball, I agree with with you about Newton. But if he does not get hurt,, they should keep winning. He’s carried them all season. I do look forward to Iron Bowl if Auburn stays unbeaten. Will be a classic.

jumbeauxtiger

October 19th, 2010
8:12 am

Also Jake Tennessee did not play LSU “straight up”. The Tigers had twice as many yards and the only reason it came down to the last play is because LSU had 4 turnovers, the Vols had none, and the Tigers had over twice as many penalties.

If LSU has more turnovers and penalties than Auburn they will lose to the War Eagles.

Will Collier

October 19th, 2010
8:15 am

The problem with the computer rankings is, well, they’re garbage. Journalism majors are apparently impressed when told “the computer says…”, but anybody with technical training knows the dictum, garbage in, garbage out. Nobody knows–because the “poll” owners won’t reveal–what data goes into the software, and with one exception, nobody knows what math the software uses to generate the rankings. What little we do know tends to indicate that the math is bogus, meaning the output is just as bogus (Tony alludes to this above; Oklahoma was still ranked #1 by computer software in 2003 even after being drilled in their conference championship game).
The human polls aren’t notably better, since they’re compiled by entirely fallible human beings, but placing any faith in “the computers” speaks more to general technical ignorance than any subjective reality.

Max Sizemore

October 19th, 2010
8:19 am

Boise is very good on offense, no question. And VERY well-coached. But they simply do NOT have the athletes on defense to play with Alabama, Oregon, Oklahoma, etc. So, no, they do not belong in the BCS game.

richham

October 19th, 2010
8:20 am

How many times are we going to discuss this??? How many people here in the South really care?

For the record, I hope they get to play in the big game and get destroyed. It’s like ranking Ohio St. in the top three every year while the consistently prove otherwise.

Will Collier

October 19th, 2010
8:26 am

Here’s a bit more about the value (or rather, the lack of value) in “the computers”:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/17/sports/ncaafootball/17score.html

BCS=Barnharts College Shenanigans

October 19th, 2010
8:26 am

http://pricezack.wordpress.com/2010/10/18/the-bcs-who-will-raise-the-crystal-ball/ this is a great article about the bcs rankings, it is a great read for college football fans

Will Collier

October 19th, 2010
8:27 am

And, uh, I should have said “objective reality.” Where’s the edit button on here, anyway…?

travy

October 19th, 2010
8:33 am

we have a system devised by the big boyz for the big boyz and boise st and tcu are not big boyz. sorry kids

Not a Tech or UGA Fan.....

October 19th, 2010
8:34 am

SECisFootball
Alabama is just like Florida and just about every other BCS school when it comes to putting their non conference schedule together. You schedule one tough game and 3 cream puff automatic wins. The last 3 years Alabama has played one so called tough opponent (Clemson, VaTech, PennSt) and the likes of SJSU, Arkansas St, Tulane, Florida Int’l, North Texas, Chattanooga. When they added the 12th game a few years ago why didn’t the SEC or ACC or Big 12 do what the PAC 10 did and make teams play another conference game and not schedule a cream puff? And if what Hootie says is true why hasn’t Alabama called Utah and asked for a re-match?

RxDawg

October 19th, 2010
8:35 am

Computers are always right

Northern Sympathizer

October 19th, 2010
8:35 am

I think should the scenario play out like Tony describes and Boise gets bumped to #3, the AP should crown Boise. And I think they would. Lot of ball left though.

Tidewatch

October 19th, 2010
8:38 am

Sticking to the subject at hand,I will take a computer’s assessment of schedule strength and therefore actual accomplishment, over voters’ “hearts” thank you. I have seen what mistakes voting with one’s heart can make in many political elections (g).

82Dawg

October 19th, 2010
8:39 am

Boise needs to join a conference that has tougher opponents, that would solve all of this..

3rdn8

October 19th, 2010
8:40 am

The truth on conferences vs conferences

Other than bowl games, there isn’t enough conference vs conference games to make an informed judgement on which conference is the best. How many best-on-best matchups actually occur? We in the SEC hang our hats on the last four NC games. But that is four games out of how many hundreds?

So….what we have is a guess-and-by-gosh system. It is far from perfect, but I can’t see anything better coming along for a long time.

SimpleDawg

October 19th, 2010
8:41 am

Let Boise play Auburn’s or Alabama’s schedule and let’s see what their record is. They’d be lucky to go 8 – 4. TCU? Same thing. Utah? Yep, same for them. Heck, let them play Georgia’s schedule. Same result.

It’s easier to beat a really good team if you only have to be ready for 1 or 2 at the most each year. The New Mexicos, San Joses, and Nevado-Renos of the world can be beaten while you’re focused on another opponent.

This is why we need an eight team playoff during bowl season to pare down the candidates to play in the BCS game…..sorta separate the wheat from the chaff.

RxDawg

October 19th, 2010
8:42 am

richham
October 19th, 2010
8:20 am

You literaly took the words right out of my mouth.

Mon

October 19th, 2010
8:42 am

If you really think your team, whoever it is, can beat Boise St., then schedule them. Home and home, meaning you go play on the blue field. The only BCS team to do it so far is Oregon and they are an impressive 0-2 against the Broncos. That’s right Max, 0-2. Oregon did it, and Oregon got run.
Va Tech played ‘em and lost, but you don’t hear of a return game to Boise. Uga played them before and refused to go out there in return. Of course, they didn’t schedule out of conference games out past the Mississippi River back then. Colorado says thanks for coming by the way.
You want this nonsense to stop? Get one or two decent BCS teams with the testicular fortitude to play them straight up home and home without silly demands and let the chips fall where they may. The silence is deafening.

Clay

October 19th, 2010
8:42 am

I hope Boise wins out against thier creampuff “Sisters of the Poor” schedule and they get left out of the big game just so we can watch Pat Forde have a complete melt down. I have never seen a sports writer get so worked up over a team that has done so little.

hdhd

October 19th, 2010
8:42 am

If they can’t get computers to like them, who can they get? I know I don’t.

Paul M.

October 19th, 2010
8:44 am

Why is everybody so upset about “split championships” and controversy about who’s best? It’s been part of college football since before all of us were born.

If you want to be the best you have to play the best, and the strongest conferences with strong traditional rivals will always have the edge there. Nothing keeping Boise from scheduling strong teams for years, just like Penn State and BYU had to do to be taken seriously. Pay your dues if you want to be a member of the “perennial power” club.

Not a Tech or UGA Fan.....

October 19th, 2010
8:46 am

Everyone wants Boise St to join a tougher conference but the fact of the matter is none of the so call major conferences have come calling. 21st century College Football is all about the money and the PAC 10 wanted Colorado & Utah instead of Boise St. The Big 12 already has the Dallas TV market so who knows if they bring in TCU or not next year.

Gen Neyland

October 19th, 2010
8:48 am

jumbeauxtiger : True, your 0812 post
re : Tennessee takeaways and penalities. I couldn’t believe the young Tennessee OL didn’t have any false starts in that enviroment… Your wildcard Saturday, IMHO, will be Ridley and ST play. Also, Chavis takes games like Auburn as a personal vendetta and uses his D as hitmen. If he gets their minds right and stresses disciplined play, Newton et al will know they’ve been in a game. I give the offensive nod to Auburn and the defensive nod to LSU in this one. Makes for an interesting game to the innocent bystander…

GaTruth

October 19th, 2010
8:49 am

ENOUGH!!! Boise can’t join a real conference because they are in the back woods of the back woods. The Pac 10 doesn’t want them – they just added Colorado and would probably rather have another mediocre patsy (Utah? Colorado St.?). If Boise State had any cajones they would renounce their conference affiliation and becime an independent. Schedule six real games a la the SEC, a few lower rung teams that have a chance at an upset, a real RIVAL or two (are there any Boise St rivals?), and two cupcakes. Make it through and you are legit.

Dave

October 19th, 2010
8:49 am

Cam Newton is a beast. He simply drops back and if he can’t see an open receiver, he takes off. Most of the time when he runs, he gets 5+ yards. Even in the close games, you could see Newton put his team on his shoulders and he simply couldn’t be stopped. If you don’t think AU has any running backs, you haven’t been paying attention to Dwyer and that other water bug they have. Defensively, yes, they give up a LOT of yards and a LOT of points. But when push comes to shove, I can’t see Newton being stopped. As a UGA fan, we will have to get to Newton QUICKLY before he gets past the line of scrimmage. It will be interesting to see how a team like LSU with a dominant defensive line handles him. Every SEC team will be watching to see if there is any way to slow him down.

Realist

October 19th, 2010
8:49 am

In another year or two Boise St. will suck again. The SEC scheduled Boise in 2005 and was 38-0 in the fourth quarter. If an SEC schedules them again now then it will probably be a crappy team they get then too. Boise won’t make it to the NC again and in two years Peterson will leave and all this talk will be over.
More than likely an SEC team won’t go to the NC either so it sounds like a great year to put Boise against LSU or Alabama. I think it would go a lot like Sugar Bowl a few years back when the much hyped Hawaii went against UGA.

DawginLex

October 19th, 2010
8:50 am

Everyone is forgetting about alabama. After Auburn beats LSU, Lsu will lose to Bama and Arkansas. Auburn will lose to Bama and Bama will go to Atlanta.

Who they will play is another story………………………

Alphare

October 19th, 2010
8:51 am

As Auburn is playing now, they can outscore any team in the United States of America, and at the mean time allows the opponent to score a ton too.

If Auburn represents the SEC this year, they will bring home the trophy, and SEC will win the National Champ 6 seasons in a row. I don’t think Oregon or Oklahoma or BSU has a chance.

3rdn8

October 19th, 2010
8:53 am

DawginLex

I hope you’re right. But Bama has some serious team issues that have to be fixed before they can make that run. Also, don’t forget that Bama has to play MSU in November.

GaTruth

October 19th, 2010
8:53 am

Hey Mon – get a clue. Getting up for one game when you are completely healthy and have had months to prepare is wildly different than facing that level of competition EVERY week. The toll a real schedule takes is immense. Is Boise good? Yes, good. If they had to play that Fiesta bowl against OU nine more times they would lose all nine becuase the gimmick plays wouldn’t work.

Gen Neyland

October 19th, 2010
8:57 am

The arguement against Boise St going to the BCSNCG is an honest one. The arguement for them earning the right to do so is as well. They’ve proven they can play against the Big Boys, they just don’t do it week in, week out. That is not their fault but that is their problem getting a shot at the Big One. (Tongue in cheek here >>) If the upcoming Lameduck Congress can pass the legislation before they go home, it might happen…

Not a Tech or UGA Fan.....

October 19th, 2010
8:59 am

Boise St did do what they were able to do and joined the Mountain West starting next year. That was going to give the Mountain West TCU, Utah, Boise St, Air Force, BYU, SDSU. Not a bad conference probably as good as the current ACC and much better than the Big East but a strange thing happened along the way, Utah takes the big money and joins the PAC 10 and BYU get’s stupid and thinks they can become an independent and be just as big and popular nationwide as Notre Dame.

dawgfacedboy

October 19th, 2010
9:01 am

What’s your point Tony?? Boise and TCU play nobody!!! If those 2 go undefeated, which i’m not sure why they wouldn’t considering their schedule, and the rest of the country has 2 losses I still don’t think they should play in the NC. THEY PLAY NOBODY!!!!!!

Join a BCS conference and we’ll talk. App St. and Jack St. can win on any given Saturday, doesn’t mean they should be in the same sentence as the best teams in the country.

3rdn8

October 19th, 2010
9:01 am

Gen Neyland

This works out to be the 4th Saturday in October, but it is still my favorite time of year.

I always look forward to the Vols playing my Tide.

Good luck on Saturday, hope it’s a great game.

dawgfacedboy

October 19th, 2010
9:03 am

NOt a tech or uga fan- The MOuntain west is competitive???? Since when???

NASCDAWG

October 19th, 2010
9:06 am

I know its been 5 years but a much ballyhooed No.18 Boise State played No.13 Georgia. 48-13..Just saying.

Not a Tech or UGA Fan.....

October 19th, 2010
9:08 am

dawgfacedboy

Get your head out of the water bowl, can you not read. IF BYU & Utah had stayed next year the Mountain West WOULD HAVE been a good conference. IF those 2 teams had stayed.

robodawg

October 19th, 2010
9:08 am

Sometimes a split national champion is the best solution available.

College Football in its current state — where the main contenders might never play each other — probably needs 3 legit end of season polls, all independent from each other. Perhaps the Legends poll can gain some traction: http://www.legendschannel.com/legends-poll/

Gbal

October 19th, 2010
9:11 am

Computers dont have a heart…. the also don’t watch the media hype of a handfull of media favorite teams…. Which is good. The people polls are the ones that are off right now due to “feelings” for Boise … There is no way that boise is the top program in the nation…probably not a top 5.

The 8 or 16 team playoff will likely insure that the top 2-6 teams are in the mix for the national title AS LONG AS…. the playoff field is the top 8-16 teams in the polls. NO auto qualifying based on winning a confrence championship.

Run the polls like they are currently… take the top 8 or 16 teams from the polls at the end of the regular season, knowing that theres a damn good chance that the #1 and 2 are captured somewhere in the field…. Let em play it out and decide the national champ on the field where it should be decided.

Alphare

October 19th, 2010
9:11 am

BSU athletes look so small to me. They’d be shellshocked when a good SEC team pound them.

Zebra

October 19th, 2010
9:12 am

The whole idea of a national champion is silly with this format and always has been. For Christ’s sake, Alabama claims championships when they lost their bowl game that year.

Kevin Greene

October 19th, 2010
9:15 am

Enter your comments When will the BCS conferences take their ball and make their own division? Until they wise up, this issue will continue to occur. Boise St. is a good team, and can compete on “the big boy” level for a game or two. But how would they fare over a season? Injuries, classes, hormones (which seem to cause Dawgs and Gators to get into trouble) are all part of the college game. With an 80 player roster limit, the depth of talent at Boise St. isn’t close to a BCS school. Heck look at Tennessee, they are a BCS school hurt by issues and you see where they just don’t have the depth this year to compete.

ugakev

October 19th, 2010
9:15 am

This auburn non sense needs to stop lol yes can newton is a great talent but they have no defense. . Auburn has just Gotton lucky breaks this year they should of lost to Clemson At home for crying out loud. Winning games 65-43 with referee breaks equals no championships

3rdn8

October 19th, 2010
9:16 am

robodawg

I agree re: the Legends Poll.

It is comprised of former coaches and athletic directors who know CFB. They are as impartial, and informed as any group can be. That poll would be a great substitute for the Coaches’ Poll. At least the Legends actually watch the games.

ugakev

October 19th, 2010
9:19 am

3rdn8

October 19th, 2010
9:19 am

Zebra

Agree re: Bama’s championship claims. I don’t count the ones (like the ‘71 season) where we lost to Notre Dame, or ‘63 where we lost to Texas. However, I do add the ‘66 team to the list….they got shafted.

Paul in RDU

October 19th, 2010
9:20 am

Judging from many of the comments that Boise shouldn’t be voted high and shouldn’t play in an MNC because they play weak teams, there are plenty of SEC fans who are overly concerned about an SEC team not playing in the MNC. Don’t worry about Boise. As Tony has pointed out, there is no way that the computer rankings are going to have Boise up at the top – they can’t even improve their computer rankings by beating up on cupcakes. If LSU or AU goes unbeaten the human polls will put them over Boise (or TCU for that matter).

3rdn8

October 19th, 2010
9:21 am

ugakev

Disagree on AU being nonsense. They’re 7-0. That ain’t luck. Just hope that Bama can slow Newton down on November 27th.

Pulpwood

October 19th, 2010
9:22 am

Auburn has no defense, and is a one-man show. They will eventually be exposed, if not Saturday, then later on in the season. Perhaps their journey to Oxford, MS will be a day of reckoning- wouldn’t surprise me, as Auburn seems to play 10 homes games each year, and it will be interesting to see how they do on the road. Auburn was the beneficiary of two calls in Saturday’s game, both of which were reviewed and decided in Auburn’s favor, and both of which resulted in Auburn touchdowns. On top of that, Mallet was knocked out of the game in the first half. My point: Auburn is getting ALL of the breaks. They are a decent team, but certainly not a great one; they have no defense and rely on one player on offense for everything. This cannot last.

McDawg

October 19th, 2010
9:23 am

looking at your breakdown how can anyone deny that the SEC is by far the toughest conference in football

McDawg

October 19th, 2010
9:25 am

Newton can fall forward and gain 4 yds-can’t wait to see him against LSU-perhaps UF made them look godd but LSU has the best defense in the country that i have seen play so far

all i'm saying is...

October 19th, 2010
9:25 am

First of all, Tony (or whoever posted this for you), its ‘Would/Should’ not ‘Woud/shoud’.

Second, what Boise State supporters fail to recognize is beating someone in a bowl game where you have a month to prepare is no great feat and not symptomatic of your prominence. The other item they fail to acknowledge is the collective pounding that your team takes when they have to play three, four, or five teams in the top 25 which makes it difficult to come through undefeated. And when you throw in a conference championship game to boot then that makes your one loss or even two loss performance even more impressive. So from where I sit, even a two loss SEC team deserves more credit than an undefeated Boise State (or TCU/Utah winner) team. But given sentiment, Boise State or TCU or Utah will likely get the nod in a two loss scenario.

My pick is still Alabama. I think Saban can make the adjustments necessary on defense to tighten things up and win out including upsetting an undefeated Auburn team (they have too much for the Mad Hatter) and defeating whoever they match up with in the SEC (L)East.

Oregon defense is highly suspect and I don’t have any confidence in their coaching staff (like I do with Saban) to make adjustments so they will likely stumble (although they don’t have to deal with a conference championship game).

Oklahoma will be primed for an upset in their conference championship game due to the pressure and if they were to lose that after running the table then the hue and cry for a Boise State vs. Alabama match-up will be huge.

Should continue to be fun. I like the BCCS (Bigtime Championship Controversy for Sure) and don’t understand why more folks don’t embrace it. (smile)

Mike

October 19th, 2010
9:26 am

We will have a split national championship. The Oklahoma-Oregon winner will take the BCS title while Boise will beat whoever they play in their BCS game (again) and win the AP title.

jumbeauxtiger

October 19th, 2010
9:28 am

Gen Neyland, I don’t think Ridley will be able to run the ball with much success unless the Tigers can throw it and force Auburn to respect the pass.

As a LSU fan our passing game has been frustrating to say the least as the 3 starting WRs, Toliver, Randle and Shepard were all 5 star players in high school so the talent is there. We have been really poor at getting the ball to these guys this season.

3rdn8

October 19th, 2010
9:28 am

Pulpwood

Auburn falls under my “know your enemy” category. I disagree that AU is a one-pony act on offense. Newton has a lot of playmakers at his disposal. Fannin and McCaleb are good RBs. Adams is the most underrated WR is the SEC. The AU offensive line is one of the better ones in the league. Without Newton, AU could move the ball on most teams. With Newton, they’re scary.

AU’s weakness is defense. They’re probably going to give up four touchdowns to most of the better teams. But most of the better teams are going to have to score 35+ to beat them. Tall order.

Andy

October 19th, 2010
9:31 am

You’ve got a mistake in your article. LSU has also played West Virginia, who is currently ranked in the top 25.

Alphare

October 19th, 2010
9:32 am

It will all work itself out. I don’t believe Oklahoma will go undefeated. When it’s all said and done, a 1-loss SEC team will play in the NC. But it’s where the problem arise for SEC. Who will be the 1-loss SEC team among Auburn-BAMA-LSU? LSU is the weakest link, but BAMA has one loss already. I expect Auburn and BAMA to beat LSU, that will leave Iron Bowl the most important SEC game of the year.

3rdn8

October 19th, 2010
9:33 am

jumbeauxtiger

Your Mr. Chavis has my vote for best DC going. I think this LSU defense rivals the 2009 version of Bama’s. Saturday may be one of the most interesting games of the season.

Sam Robards, Dawg Fan

October 19th, 2010
9:35 am

Boise (and TCU and Utah) are good teams, but in this system, they simply don’t play enough quality competition to be given entry to the BCSCG. I don’t have any problem with them going to a BCS Bowl if they’re undefeated as a potential at-large, but they don’t deserve to play for the championship.

Though I have the feeling that, despite Boise’s horrific strength of schedule, enough human voters will try to get Boise to the CG over an undefeated or 1-loss Big Six team not because they think Boise’s the best team in the nation but to try and “break the system” and bring about a playoff.

Don’t get me wrong, I want a playoff more than anybody but not at the expense of a deserving team’s chance at a national championship.

we need a playoff

October 19th, 2010
9:37 am

That’s because for all the crap the computers are given they are still more logical than the human polls. Most of the “minds” that vote in the human polls can’t handle something this complex.

Gen Neyland

October 19th, 2010
9:38 am

3rdn8 : Our cigars have gone stale waiting on another win over Bama. I think CPF bought the last box back in 2006. This is a no brainer but for fun and to hang on to the past, I’ll say
UT 10 Alabama 9. Yeah, I can hear the laughter all the way up here in NE Georgia…

Quotes : ” You never know about a football player until he has played against Alabama.”
General Robert R. Neyland

” You found out what kind of person you were when you played against Tennessee.”
Paul ‘Bear’ Bryant

jumbeauxtiger

October 19th, 2010
9:41 am

Thanks 3rdn8. I’m glad to see Chavis get his well-deserved recognition especially after some said on this board he was not that good of a coach when the Tigers hired him.

A coach has to have talent and the players have to execute to be successful. Thus far Chavis has had both but will face a huge test on Saturday.

TheItalianDawg

October 19th, 2010
9:41 am

I think LSU will beat Auburn!

SatchelBuzz

October 19th, 2010
9:41 am

No obssession,…but you are worried. Your response cofirms it.

THWG!!

3rdn8

October 19th, 2010
9:42 am

Gen Neyland

Not laughing here. The Vols worry me. I think Dooley has done a fantastic job of keeping a very undermanned UT team in games. Either he, or Dan Mullen have my vote for the SEC Coach of Year.

BAMA dude

October 19th, 2010
9:46 am

Zebra

October 19th, 2010
9:12 am
The whole idea of a national champion is silly with this format and always has been. For Christ’s sake, Alabama claims championships when they lost their bowl game that year.

That’s because the AP determined its champion prior to bowl games in those years. That said, there’s a reason most folks refer to college football’s champion as “mythical”. It’s a beauty contest, nothing more.

MURPHY

October 19th, 2010
9:48 am

General,

I have told you all year that Dooley is gonna win one he shouldnt this year. You got a good one there,he will make yall proud in a couple years.

All Jealous

October 19th, 2010
9:48 am

Alabama also played a #7 ranked Fla team as well. Don’t forget the Gators.

3rdn8

October 19th, 2010
9:48 am

jumbeauxtiger

I didn’t see the negative comments about Chavis. I don’t know how anyone who has watched SEC football for the last twenty years could arrive at any conclusion other than he is just a great defensive coach.

jumbeauxtiger

October 19th, 2010
9:50 am

I think Dooley will turn things around for the Vols if he is given the time. He is a much better coach than his record indicates.

Mullen has done a heckuva job and he has generated alot of excitement in Starkville.

BAMA dude

October 19th, 2010
9:51 am

I’m hearing that UT will start a true freshman QB against Bama- if that’s the case bet on a blowout.

Old School

October 19th, 2010
9:52 am

Bama – UT will be (as often is the case) much closer than expected. Both teams are banged up and it could be an ugly, 20- 13 type win for Bama.

What on earth has happened in Gainesville? And Michigan State is still underrated with the best front 7 I have seen in college football this year.

Bama Dave

October 19th, 2010
9:52 am

Charliebama, you are right. I remember a top-5 Boise team going to Georgia a few years back and getting utterly reamed. For a couple of seasons, that shut people up about letting Boise play with the big boys. But here we are back again. They’re a good high school team that does well once or twice per year. But could you imagine them having a schedule where they had to play Alabama, Florida, Georgia, SC, Auburn, Arkansas every year? They’d become Vandy’s whipping post because they would STAY crippled up. No, Boise should not play in the NC game until they join a real conference with real competition week in and week out… period!

MURPHY

October 19th, 2010
9:54 am

Chavis is the main reason LSU is undefeated right now. If it wasnt for his defense LSU would be a .500 club. Chavis is a very good coach,knows the SEC well!

3rdn8

October 19th, 2010
9:58 am

jumbeauxtiger

Dooley’s first season at UT mirrors Mullen’s first year at MSU. Mullen managed a “signature win” against Ole Miss, and it made the MSU season. It also set the tone for MSU’s 2010 season. I think if Dooley can win one of either the Bama, USC, or UK games it will serve the same purpose.

Kenny Powers

October 19th, 2010
10:01 am

Booger and Louis from Revenge of the Nerds must not be Boise fans

Tide60

October 19th, 2010
10:02 am

The problem with computer rankings is that Cam stole their computer. Seriously, computers rankings are subjective data fed into subjective algorithms which results in subjective rankings.

TommyJack

October 19th, 2010
10:04 am

Chavis is saving Miles’ chessnuts, just as he did Fulmer’s. For years.

Boise Not Deserving

October 19th, 2010
10:07 am

Sure it’s difficult for Boise to go undefeated.

It’s also difficult for a 1-AA team to go undefeated through their schedules. Doesn’t mean they’ve earned the right to play for the BCS national title.

Wandering Dawg

October 19th, 2010
10:11 am

TUC will jump Boise if they beat Utah.

Wandering Dawg

October 19th, 2010
10:12 am

TCU will jump Boise if they beat Utah.

5IML

October 19th, 2010
10:12 am

I don’t care if:

1. Fulmer is gone
2. Dooley is a Saban protege
3. Dooley is a nice guy
4. UT is down on their luck

I still want BAMA to stomp UT on Saturday.

My favorite BAMA quote regarding UT comes from Saban’s locker room speech after the UT game in 2008:

“You leaving (the field after the game) and you look up and ain’t nobody (UT fans) there, aight! That’s the earmark of an *ss kicking!”

BroncoBilly

October 19th, 2010
10:15 am

Can you name another team sport where it’s champion is crowned based on it’s strength of schedule? We need to play it off on the field. If not, all the rest is opinion. Nothing wrong with having an opinion but it’s just that.

MURPHY

October 19th, 2010
10:15 am

5IML,

I think Bama wins but UT will give them fits. I see Chavis loading the box and making Bama beat them throwing the ball..AKA-Carolina

MURPHY

October 19th, 2010
10:16 am

5IML,

Sorry not Chavis-so used to him being at UT-My bad

5IML

October 19th, 2010
10:23 am

Murph,

It will be a close game only because of our injuries and offensive inconsistency. We really need to get through this one and limp into the bye week. Hopefully, Julio, Dareus, Upshaw, Fluker, Jordan, Dequan, and Milliner will be full-strength for LSU.

anotherdawg

October 19th, 2010
10:25 am

Can’t blame Boise, cause they are willing. Can’t blame SEC cause the’re schedule is already off the charts. I blame the BCS for putting teams such as Ohio State, who play a soft schedule and have no conference championship game, at the top year after year. If we are not going to give Boise credit because of a weak schedule, then why give the others. I’m not for a all-out play-off like basketball, but it sure would be nice to keep the bowls, match at least the top four teams against each other, and then play one final game for all the marbles. Maybe play no#1 against no#4, no#2 against #3 in bowl format, then a final NC game. No system is perfect, but this would take most of the controversity out of it.

T3

October 19th, 2010
10:27 am

INtersting comments from Barnhart refently about BCS vs Playoff system.

He said its no question a playoff system would earn way more money than the BCS. He said the main issue is the REVENUE-SHARING part of all the new money that would be generated from a playoff system.

So, if there can be an agreement on the revenue-sharing,
then a playoff system will happen.

GTBob

October 19th, 2010
10:27 am

I still find it absurd that there are three teams in the top nine of both polls that have zero chance of winning a MNC. If we aren’t going to allow these teams to compete for a championship then why rank them in the first place? Why even let them compete in the FBS? What is the point in having teams in the FBS that have no chance of winning before the season even starts?

MURPHY

October 19th, 2010
10:29 am

5IML,

UT/Bama is always a tough,physical game. Hope both sides come out with no injuries. Is it a 3:30 kickoff-What network?

Sivahc

October 19th, 2010
10:30 am

Yet this morning on 680 Perry and that moron Pat Forde from ESPN were both crying about the “humans” not liking Boise? Hmmm……

MURPHY

October 19th, 2010
10:31 am

5IML,

Bama will be catching LSU at the right time-This game with AU could really cause them to be tired and beat up for yalls game. Man noone gets a break/rest in this conference!

Canton

October 19th, 2010
10:34 am

@ anotherdawg,

Exactly. It’s all the Midwestern homers that make up a large majority of the sports media that try each and every year to inundate us with crap from the Big 10. They FINALLY had a good bowl showing last year and look what that gave us? Half the freakin’ teams in the top 10 to begin this season were Big 10 pasties.

wheelz007

October 19th, 2010
10:34 am

LSU also played UNC and Florida while each team was ranked.

JUST SAYING

October 19th, 2010
10:35 am

same ole buffoons on here , think their commments run the world….said it before and say it again, Bama you should be ashamed to be the defending national champs and play the Ga States of the world…you get what you deserve…a lower ranking

Commonsense

October 19th, 2010
10:38 am

Sorry, but I’m not sympathetic towards a program that plays 10 high school caliber teams out of a 12 game season. Beating Va. Tech was great, ehh? They lost to f’n James Madison!! Oregon St. lost to a horrible Washington team. Strength of schedule has to be included into the calculations. The media has been trying to shove Boise down our throats for over 10 years now. Most people think they are a new phenomenon but it couldn’t be any further from the truth.

vet

October 19th, 2010
10:40 am

@ just saying,

Yes, buffoons do pollute this blog. Reading your comments prove that. When you play in the toughest conference in the nation it is absolutely absurd to demand these teams to schedule out-of-conference BCS games as well. Don’t be stupid.

MURPHY

October 19th, 2010
10:45 am

just saying,

I guess App State had no business playing Michigan? James Madison had no business playing Va Tech? Jax State had no business playing Ole Miss?
Hmmmmmmmm I dont think tour comment was valid.

Will Rogers

October 19th, 2010
10:45 am

JUST SAYING

So who is your team, or are you too embarrassed to say?

gomdawg

October 19th, 2010
10:46 am

i’M WITH THE COMPUTERS I DON’T LIKE BOISE STATE THEY DON’T PLAY THE SAME TEAMS THAT ALA. AUBURN.OKLA. OREGON, LSU . SO GROW UP AND GET WITH THE BIG BOYS IF YOU WANT TO GET TO THE TOP. BOOO HOOO

Just Saying

October 19th, 2010
10:47 am

Im a Tech fan and we had no business playing Kansas.

Sam Robards, Dawg Fan

October 19th, 2010
10:54 am

An additional note on Boise, they made a good move by moving to the MAC … until Utah left for the Pac-10.

If Utah had stayed when Boise came in, I’d recommend that they add the MAC as a “Big Seven” conference. Too bad Boise walked into a situation EXACTLY like the one they’re leaving in the WAC.

Why didn’t Boise try to petition the Pac-10 for entry or, from the other angle, why didn’t the Pac-10 pursue Boise when they looked to expand? A Pac-12 that added Utah and Boise State would’ve been a pretty intimidating conference.

Too bad for Boise…

Sam Robards, Dawg Fan

October 19th, 2010
10:57 am

Oops, they joined the MWC, didn’t they? Sorry!

MikeP

October 19th, 2010
11:04 am

Thank goodness for the computers! The problem is that a number of the human voters are voting for “poor lil’ ol’ Boise”. If the voters actually thought Boise could beat LSU, Auburn, Oklahoma and the like that would be one thing. But they are voting with their hearts, not their heads.

The voters are giving Boise a sympathy vote, which is not fair to the players on the stronger teams.

tare

October 19th, 2010
11:09 am

Boise couldn’t even beat Tech for cryin’ out loud!!! They would probably finish 4th or 5th in the ACC and probably 10th or 11th in the SEC.

kevin

October 19th, 2010
11:10 am

It seems like Boise State could potentially compete with the likes of an Oregon or Alabama, but I submit they should not be able to. Like many folks have pointed out, they do not play a demanding enough schedule to warrant NC consideration. BS’s poor strength of schedule not only disallows them to prove themselves in terms of being able to be quality teams consistently, it’s more than that. People can speculate at length about whether BS can hang with the “bigger boys”, but that’s pure speculation; sure, it may be educated, but speculation nonetheless. I think the quintessential reason BS should be excluded from NC consideration is not b/c I think they cannot compete with the likes of Alabama or Oregon necessarily, but rather b/c BS does not have to endure a season littered with 300 lb. lineman, bruising backs, big hitting backers and safeties. Put another way, BS’s schedule does not require a battle of attrition. Playing in the SEC or PAC 10 is difficult week in and week out, with 2 or 3 easy games throughout the season, whereas BS’s schedule is the exact opposite. If BS were to play in the SEC or PAC 10, it’s seems that attrition may very well catch up to them; though, we will never know. In any case, it seems the onus is on BS to play a more difficult schedule and show that they can last a year. Till then, they should not receive NC consideration.

m

October 19th, 2010
11:12 am

The only things dumber than the BCS are the idiots like Tony that support the BCS.

The BCS is the most idiotic, convaluted system ever developed by mankind.

Get opinion OUT of football. Only ON THE FIELD results should count…not talking heads like Tony and the idiots on SEC-ESPN.

We need a 16 team playoff. We need it now. Let the teams decide who is the champion….not some idiots opinion,

3rdn8

October 19th, 2010
11:14 am

re: scheduling….specifically Bama’s schedule. I don’t see a lot that Bama can do to strengthen their schedule. In September, Bama played two ranked teams (PSU, and ARK). In October they play Florida, USC, and UT. UT is down this year, but who could have forseen that five years ago? In November, they always play LSU, MSU, and AU. In all, Bama will play seven teams that are either ranked, or were ranked at the time of the game. Six teams on their schedule have two weeks to get ready.

I don’t like to see Bama playing teams like SJSU, or Ga State either. I would prefer games against Troy, Jax State, or UNA (keeps the money instate). But I don’t think it’s realistic to expect a team to strengthen that schedule, and still go 14-0.

AJ

October 19th, 2010
11:15 am

The only reason Boise State is beating all the teams they play is because they are all highschool teams. If they played even one 10 team…they would go down in the crap they came from. If you kiddies want to be taken serious…play a few decent games in your season and then come talk…

GTBob

October 19th, 2010
11:16 am

Yes MikeP, its hard to imagine a team like Boise St ever beating a team like Oklahoma or Oregon the current top two teams in the country. Oh wait, they already did.

5IML

October 19th, 2010
11:17 am

Murph,

BAMA v. UT is the 7 Eastern on ESPN.

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3rdn8

October 19th, 2010
11:19 am

51ML

A lot of finger pointing has started…..hope it is just the fans.

Sakes

October 19th, 2010
11:22 am

GTBob,

Yes, beating the most overrated coach in the country and one of the most overrated programs in the country is quite a feat.

He’s called “Big Game Bob” because he always finds ways of losing the big games.

5IML

October 19th, 2010
11:22 am

3rd,

In my opinion, it’s all on McElroy right now. He is going through the same midseason slump he endured last year. Like last year, he will work through it. Benching him for AJ would be a mistake. If Spurrier was our coach, McElroy would be in trouble of losing his position as the starter.

4 jacks

October 19th, 2010
11:27 am

Boise has no business even being in a BCS bowl until they play more than one game a year. I am sure they are a good team, but until you have to play 3 to 5 ranked or top 30 say teams and play some of them back to back without sisters of the poor in between they should not even be in the discussion. At some point to “play” for it all you have to man up and schedule like the big boys do. You say its your conference, the do like BYU and go independent, but the fact is you play one fairly tough game to start the season then you get a BCS bowl and a team that is not happy, nor wanted to play you in the first place. Please, until you get yourselfs a real schedule, just STFU…most of us are tired if hearing it and the Boise whining.

Va Dawg

October 19th, 2010
11:28 am

Get real people Boise is A PRODUCT OF ESPN they want Boise to play in the game so they have something to talk about . Until they play at lease 3 top 20 teams they should’nt be ranked in top 10 final line they DON’T PLAY ENOUGH QUALITY GAMES……….

3rdn8

October 19th, 2010
11:28 am

51ML

You’re right….there isn’t a lot of mystery here. McElroy starts hitting the 20 yard passes more consistently, most of the offensive problems go away. Right now, he appears to be about 20% accurate on those throws.

Don’t know about you (taking into account the injury bug), the defense seems to be gelling. These guys get a bit more healthy, and they can still make some noise.

Smokey

October 19th, 2010
11:36 am

Boise St would be ranked about #7 in my mind due to its schedule. What I see being overlooked in all the arguments is talk of playoffs instead of the Bull*CS. I think I have a good playoff system proposal to offer. The top 8 teams are in. 4 games in first round using the 4 existing major bowls. 2 games the following week in a bidded host site. The big game in the 3rd week at a bidded host site. And please don’t give me that hypocritical BS about playoffs making the season too long. If that’s the case, drop the 12th game in the regular season as well as a patsy.

Dean Vernon Wormer, Faber College

October 19th, 2010
11:36 am

This thing is so easy. Just get about 40 or 50 of the best football-playing colleges in the country to withdraw from the NCAA, form their own new organization, keep their same conferences, sign new (or amend existing) TV contracts for a bazillion dollars, create a 32-team playoff system, and crown the natinal champs every year.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

Micah

October 19th, 2010
11:38 am

Oklahoma also faced Air Force which was ranked until this week. Also, given their performances against Texas A&M and Auburn, it appears more and more that Arkansas’s near win versus Alabama was a fluke. Do they really belong in the Top 25?

Micah

October 19th, 2010
11:42 am

GTBob – Boise beat Oklahoma in 2007 and Oregon last year. By your logic, Alabama shouldn’t be ranked because they lost to Lousiana-Monroe in 2007. Stay in the current season.

Boise sucks

October 19th, 2010
11:43 am

So far Boise has played only 2 teams that are currently over .500. And only 3 teams out of their next 6 opponents are currently over .500. This isn’t the schedule of a champion, it’s a schedule of a 9th grade freshman team. Pathetic.

5IML

October 19th, 2010
11:43 am

3rd,

McElroy is missing open receivers on the deep throws. He, then, loses confidence and starts checking down to short throws and RB dump-offs. Currently, there’s no penalty for stacking the box with 9 defenders.

When he hits one deep pass, everything (i.e. McElroy’s confidence in himself, McElwain’s confidence in McElroy, the defense’s strategy) will change.

Pork Rhinds

October 19th, 2010
11:46 am

If OK stays undefeated and at #1, and Auburn, Alabama, or LSU comes out of the SEC with one loss, there is NO WAY Boise should play for the National Championship. Boise has played well in big games, but when you play only ONE top #25 team, a team that got manhandled at home by an FCS team no doubt, you haven’t earned a shot. If that upsets you, lobby for a playoff – but if the BCS is supposed to give us the two BEST teams in college FB, Boise is out.

Boise Me

October 19th, 2010
11:49 am

Play in a real conference–in the SEC, boise loses 3-4 games.

3rdn8

October 19th, 2010
11:49 am

5IML

you’ve just described the biggest issue. Bama (McElroy) has become too predictable. DCs in the league see this as well. I thought the Ole Miss defense played a super game, and their only real strength is the DL.

I compare McElroy with Jay Barker. The biggest difference is: Jay Barker only got to throw the ball 35+ times in his dreams. I do hope you’re right about McElroy fighting through this slump. I for one am pulling for him….if that helps.

dawgfacedboy

October 19th, 2010
11:51 am

Not a tech/uga fan- I read it correctly A hole. My question is why you believe that conference to be good just because UTah and BYU play in it?? They are in the same boat as TCU and BOise. They play MAYBE 1 tough game a year (that is if you consider Notre Dame to be good, I don’t). So basically you want to put 4 teams who play nobody in a conference with eachother and call it good????

That doesn’t even remotely make sense. I’ll get my head out of the waterbowl when you get yours out of your a$$!!

GTBob

October 19th, 2010
11:51 am

Micah, there is no proof at all that Boise St can’t beat anybody in the country this year. Its annoying to hear people say that Boise St could never hang with the big boys in a big game when in recent seasons they have proven the exact opposite. They beat Oregon the past two seasons, Oregon is number one this season. Should we believe that Oregon is that much better and that Boise St is that much worse this season without any proof of either being true? Can you say for sure that Boise St couldn’t beat Oregon right now?

Soy un perdedor

October 19th, 2010
11:52 am

@Look for CPJ to be Clemson’s next head coach..

The Boise State nonsense has become a rather boring pounding of a long dead horse, but your post takes the cake for absurdity.

Clemson might well be in the market for a new Head Coach, but I doubt that they’re looking to trade down.

Soy un perdedor

October 19th, 2010
11:54 am

@Micah

You misunderstand. GTBob’s argument is that Lousiana-Monroe should be ranked in the Top Ten.

3rdn8

October 19th, 2010
11:56 am

Ever wonder how these discussions would go if we weren’t all cloaked in anonymity? Can’t imagine this type of name calling in your local pub. Seems a bit……………..cowardly.

Soy un perdedor

October 19th, 2010
11:58 am

@GTBob

Oregon did beat Tennessee. They must be a real powerhouse, eh?

MURPHY

October 19th, 2010
12:01 pm

3rdn8,

This name caling thing in a pub would cause a riot.Would be plenty of fights over this. There is no room left in the Atens-Clarke Count Jail so make sure the pub isnt in Athens. lol

slaughdog

October 19th, 2010
12:02 pm

SECisFOOTBALL—-

typical DELUSIONAL DUMB A$$ BAMA MORON—you think the world rotates around your football program. You just refuse to give credit where credit is due. Too much inbreeding, I guess.

War CAM Eagle

T3

October 19th, 2010
12:05 pm

Only one thing seems liek a GUARANTEE this year.

If there are more than 2 undefeated teams, there will be LAWSUITS.

Just consider for example, how these teams & THEIR Presdients
will respond if they all end the season undefeated and dont get an invite to the BCS-CG:

OK
Boise State
Michigan State
Oregon
Auburn

The point here is the BCS is a fraudulent CARTEL.

The BCS has re-created the problems is was supposed to solve.

Only a playoff system will fix most or all of this charade.

GTBob

October 19th, 2010
12:08 pm

Soy un perdedor, Oregon might be the worst team in the country, who knows. The coaches, and writers of America seem to think they are the best right now though.

GTBob

October 19th, 2010
12:08 pm

Soy un perdedor, Oregon might be the worst team in the country, who knows. The coaches, and writers of America seem to think they are the best right now though.

MURPHY

October 19th, 2010
12:09 pm

3rdn8 & 5IML,

Whats your take on the Dawgs over the last 2 weeks? Do we beat Kentucky and Florida?

MURPHY

October 19th, 2010
12:10 pm

GTBob,

Oregon is very talented. I think they will struggle with UCLA on thurs nite. Just a feeling I have.

NCAA Critic

October 19th, 2010
12:11 pm

It will never make sense that a team can be in an athletic organization, have an undefeated season, and then be told that it has not met the criteria for a chance to win the organization’s championship. Can you imagine the outrage that will be unleashed if Auburn finishes undefeated and is again left out of the championship game. The folks in Eugene and Norman will be nearly as angry if their undefeated teams draw the short straw, and the fans from the “lesser schools” would not be happy, either.

Nor is it appropriate that a team can have one loss while playing several difficult opponents and fall in line behind an undefeated team that clearly plays against lesser competition. The NCAA must get rid of this system, or stop call “the game” a championship.

SECfan

October 19th, 2010
12:13 pm

auburn runs the table

LSU’s defense is not as good as AU’s offense
LSU’s offense is worse than AU’s defense (secondary)
AU’s o line will give newton time to pass or run before the d line shows up in the backfield

even if auburn’s d stops a couple TD’s and the other team settles for field goals, it is a win. the AU offense is too fast scoring for the opposing team to catch up. so it is almost a moot point that AU’s defense is weaker than others. since their offense is so potent it wont matter. not to mention the D picks it up in the 4th quarter. when they need a crucial play, they have always delivered.

strength,resiliency, and a little bit of luck

3rdn8

October 19th, 2010
12:16 pm

Murph

I like UGAs chances. UK is inconsistent, and Meyer hasn’t found ANY answers yet.

In the meanwhile, Richt has weathered a real @#$% storm, and is quietly getting better play from his team. The same can be said for Mr. Miles.

MURPHY

October 19th, 2010
12:17 pm

SECfan,

If Auburn’s defense was even close to being able to stop a passing game I would agree with you,but no-way they win out with Ted Roof calling the defensive plays. Chizik just about strangled him on the sidelines during the Ark game. Chizik needs to be more involved with that defense to keep yall winning

SECfan

October 19th, 2010
12:18 pm

yall? im not even an auburn fan lol i went to south carolina
im just calling it like i see it

MURPHY

October 19th, 2010
12:19 pm

3rdn8,

Im real worried about Fla more so than Kentucky. I dont like Urban being behind the eight ball along with having 2 weeks to fix his offensive issue’s. If we beat the Cats we will carry alot of momentum to Jacksonville. We must win these 2 upcomming games to say we have turned the corner this year.

MURPHY

October 19th, 2010
12:22 pm

SECfan,

Thats ok-Just blogging on your comments. Its a shame yall lost last week.I really wanted Spurrier to go to the dome!

3rdn8

October 19th, 2010
12:23 pm

Murph

you have to worry about UF. They simply have too many good athletes to be playing this poorly. But nothing Meyer has tried has worked to date. I don’t know if two weeks is enough time for him to fix the problems at Gainesville.

3rdn8

October 19th, 2010
12:24 pm

Enjoyed talking football. Hope each of you has a good day.

GTBob

October 19th, 2010
12:24 pm

NCAA Critic, I 100% agree with your thoughts on the BCS system. It’s not technically the NCAA’s fault though. They do not sanction the BCS or recognize its champions. There has never been a Division 1 (FBS) college football NCAA champion. They only recognize FCS and Division 3 championships. They do not recognize any champions in any sports that are not determined by a playoff.

MURPHY

October 19th, 2010
12:25 pm

3rdn8,

I live down here. One of my good friends is a ga there and another friend has a kid on the team.They both tell me Urban is on a mission.

BJohnDawg

October 19th, 2010
12:27 pm

The reason no teams call Boise State has nothing to do with fear. It has to do with Boise wants a home and home senario,,,,and the bigger schools are not going to give up the money when they can pay a non BCS conference school to come it for a one and done payday. If Boise is willing to schedule that arrangement, they would see more BCS conference schools ringing their phones.

Boise is a good team. But in the SEC they would be a middle of the road team. Even in the East. You think they are going to beat Fla, Ga, Tn, KY, and SC , and play vandy and 3 west teams and win the East. I think they would end up like Carolina with 2 losses and struggling to stay in the Top 25. Or Georgia just trying to find out what kind of team they really have. They looked unimpressive against VA Tech. TCU impresses me more than Boise State.

Soy un perdedor

October 19th, 2010
12:30 pm

NCAA Critic

October 19th, 2010
12:11 pm

It will never make sense that a team can be in an athletic organization, have an undefeated season, and then be told that it has not met the criteria for a chance to win the organization’s championship.

Sure it does — whenever there are multiple undefeated teams. This situation will always create arguments, since the lesser undefeated team(s) will desire equal credit for their undefeated season(s), although they may be obviously less credit-worthy. These arguments would not be eliminated by a playoff scheme.

MURPHY

October 19th, 2010
12:30 pm

The Boise thing is like out growing a pair of shoes. The shoes get to small you have to move on to bigger ones. Boise has outgrown their conference and their schedule. Time for them to move to a bigger conference and tougher schedule. Boise has done a great job being succesful but its time to get in with the bigger boys now.

CollegeFan

October 19th, 2010
12:32 pm

If the computers have no heart, the humans don’t have brains. The human votes predictably follow win-loss records and only take into account strength of schedule on the last week, when they vote teams or out of the championship game. I think that Boise is a great team and deserve a lot of credit for what they have accomplished. But, with that schedule, they just don’t deserve to play for a national championship. I doubt that many people who vote them so highly would bet that they would make it through a playoff.

Old Dawg

October 19th, 2010
12:34 pm

If Boise wants to be considered for BCS championship games, it should have joined the PAC 10 or another major conference when all the shuffling was going on, get rid of that blue carpet and get some uniforms that don’t look like something out of a 1960’s rollerball game. The Broncos have played well in bowls and in out-of-conference games in the last few years, but going undefeated in little league is like saying Iraq had a chance during Desert Storm … it ain’t gonna happen.

I know the school’s fans are excited etc. But this is a week in-week out competition issue and bringing something to the table other than beating Southwest Outer Idaho School for Deaf-Mutes and Polio Victims (no disrespect to those affected) for conference championships doesn’t make the cut!

Soy un perdedor

October 19th, 2010
12:35 pm

Tony is only guessing that the human voters will continue to rank BSU highly. Humans are also capable of recognizing variations in strength of schedule. There may be a few voters whose only desire is to create controversy with their votes, but the majority of the voters will not likely “love” Boise quite so much as we reach the end of the season.

BAMA dude

October 19th, 2010
12:46 pm

Again, UT vs. Bama will NOT be close if Dooley follows through on starting a true freshman at QB in his first game. The one area our defense excels is forcing TOs, specifically INTs. The only two teams to put up any kind of points had NFL caliber wideouts and a QB that could get them the ball. I see this game looking a lot like the UF game with Bama winning the TO battle by 3 or more. Think the UT-UGA game, that’s exactly what happened there.

MURPHY

October 19th, 2010
12:48 pm

Bama dude,

Be careful with Rocky Top. You might be surprised a little bit.

BAMA dude

October 19th, 2010
12:49 pm

Old Dawg, word is that no one would take them. The Southern California and Arizona schools apparently have no desire to travel to Idaho in October and Novenmber so they can play on a blue turf in front of 35k people. Imagine that? Some schools were built for big time athletics, some weren’t.

BAMA dude

October 19th, 2010
12:50 pm

Murphy, I can’t see it being close if they start a noob at QB. Saban’s schemes will eat him alive. Tough to play D for four quarters when you’re always in bad field position.

FLA DAWG

October 19th, 2010
12:51 pm

The BCS should give Boise a shot if they run the table.
If they win they will be justifiably happy. If they lose they will have been given their shot and we won’t hear anymore about it.

Can you say, “Playoffs”?

bamalovestowin

October 19th, 2010
12:54 pm

I look for the NCAA to take away our grayshirt medical program which is going to make things harder

MURPHY

October 19th, 2010
12:59 pm

FLA DAWG,

I agree. Let them play in the big one and see what happens.

JMac12203

October 19th, 2010
12:59 pm

Auburn has a great offense, and Cam is the main reason. However LSU has the best “D” he has seen so far this season, so let’s see what happens. Remember that Clemson held Auburn to 17 points, and their D is not as good as the one he will face this weekend. Look for a final of something like 24-20, just not sure who will be the 24 and who will be the 20. Usually the team with the best D will beat the team with the best O, but in this game I feel like the determining factor will be turnovers. If LSU plays a clean game, they win, and jump over Boise in the BCS.

LCDawg

October 19th, 2010
1:01 pm

Sorry folks…Boise State gets no respect from me because they only play 1-2 REAL teams a year and schedule them very favorably for success i.e. the first game of the season (VT) which they were able to prepare for the entire off season and then a bowl game when they have 5-6 weeks to game plan for that game. Blah, blah to the fans who say they can’t control their opponents because of the conference they are in. Switch conferences (PAC 10?) or schedule more IN SEASON big games then come talk to me about your Cinderella story. It’s not fair to the other conferences that beat the hell out of each other week in and week out.

Tick

October 19th, 2010
1:05 pm

Is Boise St. one of the two best teams in the country? I don’t know, but I know probably no one on here would have thought Butler could do what they did in the NCAA Basketball Tournament. To just write off a team because their from a small conference is just wrong. They’ve proven in past bowl games (BCS bowl games, see Oklahoma), they can play with the big boys. They returned 22 starters from an outstanding team last year, and they haven’t laid an egg yet this year, like many others have. I personally hope they make and win the National Championship, and I hope it puts a monkey wrench in the wallets of these power conferences who don’t want any change, and maybe it’ll bring about a much needed playoff format for college Football.

Scott

October 19th, 2010
1:10 pm

Why don’t we let Boise play TCU for the national championship of teams who don’t play anybody and let Oklahoma play Alabama in the Sugar Bowl for the national championship of those teams who do?

Silver Britches, Red Panties

October 19th, 2010
1:14 pm

Thank goodnes Coach Richt hasn’t allowed Our Beloved Dawgs to play Boise State. Their hideous blue field would clash horribly with our dashing black jerseys.

Soy un perdedor

October 19th, 2010
1:15 pm

@Tick

So put them in the basketball playoffs and shut up with the whining.

GTBob

October 19th, 2010
1:20 pm

Old Dawg, which major conferences were inviting Boise to join during the recent conference expansion wave? The PAC 10 never invited them. SEC never invited them. No one else did either except the MWC which they accepted. Do you expect Boise to force their way into a major conference? That doesn’t seem likely.

Bama Dave

October 19th, 2010
1:30 pm

Anybody else notice that ‘Beast from the East’ has been non-existent lately. He’s usually pretty vocal, but something has quietened him. Hmmmmmm.

jumbeauxtiger

October 19th, 2010
1:30 pm

Murph,

Right now I think the Dawgs will beat UK and are playing better than Florida. However, the Gators catch a break with the off week as they have a chance to regroup and rest. Florida has alot of talent and it would not surprise me to see them play much better after having some time off.

MURPHY

October 19th, 2010
1:31 pm

GTBob,

Wonder why the Big 12 doesnt invite Boise? Bet Big game Stoops would love that!

Ghostballer

October 19th, 2010
1:31 pm

Boise doesn’t deserve jack squat.

MURPHY

October 19th, 2010
1:34 pm

jumbeauxtiger,

That week off scares me to death.I would be shocked if we see the same team that played Miss St. Urban is feeling the heat and I wouldnt bet against him in this situation. If they perform againg UGA like they did Miss St I say that program is in much worse shape than ours. Done see UF not getting this fixed.

Soy un perdedor

October 19th, 2010
1:36 pm

Florida won’t need to fix much to compete with Georgia. Defeating Vandy and Tennessee doesn’t wash away the rest of the season for the Dawgs.

MURPHY

October 19th, 2010
1:37 pm

jumbeauxtiger,

I cant wait to watch yall play AU. Should be another SEC Classic.

Driving Ms Dooley

October 19th, 2010
1:39 pm

Tony,
If the first polls were voted on today, who would you vote higher, Auburn of Boise State? And based on what criteria?

Atticus

October 19th, 2010
1:39 pm

Boise DID play a big game on the road…after they beat Ok in the Fiesta Bowl. They got run out ofthe stadium by a decent UGA. No comparison. They play no schedule.

MURPHY

October 19th, 2010
1:40 pm

Soy un peredor,

Thanks for your constructive comments.

Blue

October 19th, 2010
1:41 pm

You people that put “end of story” and “nuff said” DO realize that this does not necessarily make you the victor in the discussion/debate…right? Nuff said…

Gen Neyland

October 19th, 2010
1:41 pm

We can be-yatch and moan till the cows come home about the current BCS system in D-I but until TV, the NCAA, Bowl BOD’s and all bowl sponsers devise a plan to hammer out a system that pays all for revising the current system, we’re stuck with what we have with more crappy bowls on the gridiron horizen. We, the fan, don’t have a vote in the world of high finance and commerce. All we have is the off/on switch on our remotes which can be our torch as we march to the castle.

Soy un perdedor

October 19th, 2010
1:41 pm

The truth often hurts.

Dog in TN

October 19th, 2010
1:45 pm

My trust is with the computers. Most journalist vote with their feelings, not their heads. Don’t let facts get in the way of feeling good about your vote. Boise has no business in the top 24. They may be ok at 25.

LLoyd Christmas

October 19th, 2010
1:46 pm

I’ve got the dogs going all the way………..to the crapper where they belong!

Soy un perdedor

October 19th, 2010
1:46 pm

@Gen Neyland

You nailed it. The current system prevails because it generates revenue. If you don’t like the current system, then stop attending or watching games and stop purchasing team merchandise.

Otherwise, just cheer for your team and enjoy the ride.

Are you kidding

October 19th, 2010
1:47 pm

Auburn has replaced Florida with the SEC ref teams. All of the apparent predetermined calls that went to Florida over the past 4 years now suddenly are going to Auburn. The Clemson QB was speared in the back. Both td calls that went Auburn’s way against Arkansas were simply bogus. And which ref called the first td- did the SEC ever fess up?

are you kidding me?

October 19th, 2010
1:50 pm

Auburn has replaced Florida as the darling of the SEC ref teams. All of the calls that Florida received over the past 4 years have suddenly shifted to Awburn. The Clemson QB was speared in the back.
Both of the 2 td calls that Awburn was given were bogus. Did the SEC ever announce the mystery official that called td on the first fumble at the 1?

Referee Hee

October 19th, 2010
1:54 pm

What we say is GOLD! We can ruin your life, so watch it prople!

GTBob

October 19th, 2010
1:55 pm

Atticus, Boise St beat Oklahoma the year after they lost to UGA. Not the year before.

Driving Ms Dooley

October 19th, 2010
2:20 pm

No polls till November. There’s your answer–if you won’t give us a playoff.

And voters must take a football IQ test. Questions:

1. what is the weight of an average offensive lineman in the SEC? The PAC 10? The Boise State group of D-1 wannabes?

2. What is the average coaches salary in these leagues?

3. What is the average attendance at games in these leagues?

4. How many NFL players have come from these leagues in the past 5 years?

You get the idea.

PapaDawg

October 19th, 2010
2:28 pm

Cmon Half the teams in the SEC could whip Boise easily. No way they are in the top 5

Will

October 19th, 2010
2:43 pm

I want everyone to really think about this one…even UGA haters…. Let’s say University of GA were playing Boise State in a game at a neutral site. If your life depended on picking the correct winner, how many of you would actually pick a team like Boise State to beat UGA? I would venture to say if you were honest with yourselves not many of you would pick Boise State. Deep down inside you know UGA has the athletes to beat anyone in the nation and BSU does not. This is why the computers hate BSU.

Jeff

October 19th, 2010
2:51 pm

Who get’s the penn st. job when it opens? and will it be open soon? is this still considered an elite job by people in the business? just wondering

MURPHY

October 19th, 2010
2:55 pm

Jeff,

The question is not who gets the job,but who would want to follow that legacy?

Bona Fide

October 19th, 2010
3:02 pm

The Penn State job will be open soon, and I think that it is considered an elite position.

Bona Fide

October 19th, 2010
3:03 pm

@Will

Even this year’s Georgia squad would have a very good shot at winning that game.

Bona Fide

October 19th, 2010
3:05 pm

BTW: I’m not a “UGA Hater”, but I don’t consider Georgia to be a very good football team this year. Still, they’re probably better than BS University.

are you kidding me?

October 19th, 2010
3:12 pm

Ga is better than Boise State??? Surely you are joking. Do the numbers 60 and 65 and 74 for Ga vs 2-5 for Boise State mean anything to you.

GTBob

October 19th, 2010
3:13 pm

You guys are completely insane if you would bet your lives that UGA would beat Boise St. The notion that Boise doesn’t have any talent is a very false one also. Boise has plenty of talent.

MURPHY

October 19th, 2010
3:15 pm

Bona Fide,

Agree,Penn St is an elite job. Dont they have a staff thats been togeather a very long time? Isnt one of the assistance in line for that job? Just curious. Isnt an X-UGA q.b on that staff. Brian Smith?

PapaDawg

October 19th, 2010
3:17 pm

This Boise St team reminds me of the Hawaii team who alot of people thought should be #1 and we saw what the Dawgs did to them in the Sugar Bowl.

are you kidding me?

October 19th, 2010
3:17 pm

And Ga has the athletes to beat any team in the nation??? What are you drinking over there??
do the numbers 3-4 ring a bell with you? And you can tell us all on here that you would bet the house on Ga vs Boise State on a neutral field???/ Man alive. It’s worse than I thought.

MURPHY

October 19th, 2010
3:18 pm

GTBob,

Im a UGA fan and I would have to agree with you. I dont know if we could beat Boise this year. I wouldnt bet my life on it but I do think we would sure enough play them tough.

are you kidding me?

October 19th, 2010
3:19 pm

Boise State does not remind me of Hawaii at all- BS has talent on both sides of the ball and plays good defense. Just my opinion.

Will

October 19th, 2010
3:29 pm

Many of you are not being honest with yourselves at all……You know you would pick UGA if you had to. Trust me, I know what I’m talking about with regards to college football, if you don’t believe me go to my post last Friday at 1:10pm on this same blog you will see my weekend predictions- truly amazing!

are you kidding me?

October 19th, 2010
3:32 pm

You would bet large sums of money on Ga vs BS?

are you kidding me?

October 19th, 2010
3:33 pm

How could you possibly think that Ga could beat any team in college football because of the athletes that they have?

are you kidding me?

October 19th, 2010
3:34 pm

And no I don’t trust your judgment after that statement.

GTBob

October 19th, 2010
3:36 pm

Will, if my life was on the line and I had to pick either Boise or UGA I would pick Boise without even considering it. And yes, i’m being completely honest with myself. The fact that you wouldn’t really makes me question if you have seen both teams play this season.

Bona Fide

October 19th, 2010
3:39 pm

I’m not kidding you. Boise State football is a joke.

Bona Fide

October 19th, 2010
3:40 pm

Then again, so is Georgia Tech football.

PapaDawg

October 19th, 2010
3:45 pm

Would you bet large sums of money on Boise State against Georgia

jumbeauxtiger

October 19th, 2010
3:50 pm

Murphy,

I agree that the Florida team that plays Georgia will not be the same team that played Miss St. The Dawgs are playing better so I expect it to be a very good game. If the game was played this week my guess would be that the Gators would be favored by 1-2.

I’m looking forward to the Auburn game this weekend too. It’s going to be interesting if we can slow down Cam. He looks awesome right now.

PapaDawg

October 19th, 2010
3:52 pm

GT you need to stay out of this,you LOST TO KANSAS

GTBob

October 19th, 2010
3:52 pm

If Vegas gave me an even spread on the game then yes, I would bet very large sums of money on Boise St against UGA. Too bad there is no way Boise St would not be favored.

The Taxman Cometh

October 19th, 2010
3:52 pm

Let’s vote on who should be there. Been there done that. Bring on the playoff….

Gator Hater

October 19th, 2010
3:53 pm

Jeremy Foley just announced that for 2011 he is replacing Agnes Scott with the University of Phoenix Online.

PapaDawg

October 19th, 2010
3:55 pm

I like Auburn but I think if you take away Cams running you’ll shut them down. He’s not a very good passer and their defense is really suspect.

MURPHY

October 19th, 2010
4:03 pm

PaPaDawg,

Auburn defense isnt suspect it’s horrible! Ted Roof will not have a job next year.Did you see Chizik up his rear during the Ark game? He was pissed!

MURPHY

October 19th, 2010
4:05 pm

To beat Auburn,it appears you will have to get in a scoring match with them. Thats a tall order to complete.

wxwax

October 19th, 2010
4:06 pm

Read the New York Times opinion piece this weekend to find out what a sham the BCS computer rankings are.

The process used to create them is ridiculed by proper statisticians.

Bona Fide

October 19th, 2010
4:23 pm

MURPHY

October 19th, 2010
4:05 pm

To beat Auburn,it appears you will have to get in a scoring match with them. Thats a tall order to complete.

Auburn vs. MSU – 17 Points

Auburn vs. Clemson – 27 Points

Auburn vs. SC – 35 Points

Auburn vs. KY – 37 Points

You make a very broad statement based upon a single game.

Freddie

October 19th, 2010
4:24 pm

There are only 3 SEC teams I can say with certainty that Boise could beat any day of the week. However, there are 12 ACC teams they could beat without even showing up.

Bona Fide

October 19th, 2010
4:25 pm

@wxwax

WTH do “proper statisticians” (or the NYT) know about football?

GTBob = douchness

October 19th, 2010
4:26 pm

You are a troll. If UGA played Parkview’s freshman team you’d claim to go with the 9th graders. Ignorant bug fans are all the same.

rex

October 19th, 2010
4:27 pm

Just like I believe Ga. Southern would beat the Trade School and this is exactly why Yech has refused their challenged year after year.

Bona Fide

October 19th, 2010
4:28 pm

Barbara Dooley says that LSU had 12 men on the field when Tennessee was penalized for having 13. I don’t doubt it.

Buck

October 19th, 2010
4:33 pm

When you accuse a team of playing a “Boise schedule” it’s not meant as a compliment. This phrase was coined for a reason.

Not a chance in Haitis should Boise get a crack at the national title.

GTBob

October 19th, 2010
4:35 pm

Im a troll because I think Boise St would beat UGA? Because I think a 7-0 team who hasn’t lost since 2008, while playing 4 top 15 teams, would beat a 3-4 UGA team who couldn’t beat Colorado and whose best win is against Tennessee? You really think i’m the only one who would Boise St in that game? Boise was favored to beat Va Tech when Va Tech was a top 5 team, in a game that was in Maryland. But yeah, I must be a troll.

curious

October 19th, 2010
4:35 pm

Which WAC team will Tech get hammered by this year in the Smurf Bowl?

Dave

October 19th, 2010
4:40 pm

Looks like GTBob needs a little history lesson. When Boise played and LOST to Arkansas in 2000 they were coming off a 10-3 season. When Boise played and LOST to South Carolina in 2001 they were coming off a 10-2 season. In 2002 when Boise played and LOST to Arkansas they finished that year 12-1. When Boise played and LOST to UGA in 2005 they were coming off consecutive seasons with a combined record of 24-2.

Now sit down and shut up and go troll somewhere else. You sound more stupid with each moronic post.

GTBob

October 19th, 2010
4:41 pm

wxwax, thanks for the heads up on that article. It was pretty informative. Here is a link if anyone else wants to read it: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/17/sports/ncaafootball/17score.html?_r=1&scp=4&sq=BCS&st=cse.

wft!!?!?!

October 19th, 2010
4:42 pm

Where are these “4 top 15 teams” at?? Boise has only played two teams so far that are above .500, and none of which appear in the top 25?

come on guys

October 19th, 2010
4:42 pm

humans do not vote “correct” all the time…The SC coach most of the time votes for Duke…

hahahahahaha!!!!!

October 19th, 2010
4:43 pm

Dave just biooootched slapped GTbob back into the wh0re house!!! LOL!!!!!

jack bull

October 19th, 2010
4:45 pm

i think it would be safe to say, if Boise St had to play Oregon, USC, Stanford, and then Arizona, and heck, throw in UCLA in the middle of them, they’d come out 3-2(at best)…and that’s just the PAC-10…nuff said..

bingo

October 19th, 2010
4:45 pm

Exactly ‘come on guys.’ Pity that some on here still believe that it’s actually the head coaches that are doing the voting, while wasting hours of time watching random games of opponents they will never face and all the while not holding any grudges or resentments towards any other programs whatsoever.

I could probably sell ocean front property in Oklahoma to most of the buffoons that post on here.

GTBob

October 19th, 2010
4:45 pm

Dave, what does that have to do with anything? Are you saying because Boise lost to Arkansas in 2000 that they would have no chance against UGA this year?

bingo

October 19th, 2010
4:46 pm

Jack bull,

Finally some commonsense!!!

turner stage

October 19th, 2010
4:47 pm

Ouch!!! I have to agree with the hahahaha guy. GTbob just got owned.

GTBob

October 19th, 2010
4:47 pm

wft, did you even read my post? Since the last time they lost they have beaten 4 top 15 teams. Try to keep up.

cooper

October 19th, 2010
4:50 pm

GTbob –

Dude, I don’t think I would post for awhile. But if you do I think I’d change names. You just got pantsed dude

Bona Fide

October 19th, 2010
4:50 pm

@GTBob

You then argued that past games have no relevance with regard to future games.

You were correct when you said that. Best to just quit while you’re ahead.

GTBob

October 19th, 2010
4:53 pm

Nah, ill stick around, i’m bored. How did I get pantsed excatly? No one here has even made an argument against my argument. They just try to write something funny, a few other people on his side write owned. I’m still waiting for a relevant reason why UGA would kill Boise St this year.

Bona Fide

October 19th, 2010
4:54 pm

Why wouldn’t they?

Dave

October 19th, 2010
4:58 pm

It has everything to do with it since you specifically cited Boise’s undefeated streak and record as being your reasoning as to why you believe Boise would beat UGA. Overlooking the fact that Boise plays one of the weakest schedules in the country annually. I thought I would take the liberty of showing you Boise’s other records in regard to their previous contests against SEC teams. The notion that Boise has just arrived is nonsense. ESPN has been cramming Boise down our throats for a decade now. They are only pretending they are new to the scene so they don’t have to eat crow and relive all the previous years they were blindly touting the Broncos.

I am a fan of the program actually, but I choose to be rational and logical when I discuss them.

MURPHY

October 19th, 2010
4:59 pm

Bona Fide,

I say that based on the trend of their offense. Look at what u posted.Thier offense is getting stronger each week.Im not an AUBURN fan but it appears to me if your defense isnt solid your offense will need at least 35-40 points to match them.

wow

October 19th, 2010
4:59 pm

Bob is apparently oblivious to the fact he is a blog punching bag. Not sure if I should laugh or feel pity….

camel

October 19th, 2010
5:02 pm

But who were those top 4 teams? The always overrated Pac 10 teams and “Blow Big Game” Stoops? Give me a break. I’d go as far as saying had Boise beaten even an ACC team during this same stretch that would be more respectable than the 4 top 15 teams you are talking about.

GTBob

October 19th, 2010
5:05 pm

Dave, I wouldn’t say they just arrived, but they are much better then they were then. They have 5 players on their team projected to go in the NFL draft, including two of the best wide receivers in football. Kellen Moore isn’t included in those 5 and I think most would say he is an above average QB. They also have a completely different coaching staff then back then. When I cite games they have played in their winning streak its because they still have most of the players they had last year. These players have played together and have played tough games.

GTBob

October 19th, 2010
5:06 pm

wow, im enjoying it, don’t pity me. :)

hahahahahaha!!!!!

October 19th, 2010
5:09 pm

Bam!!!! Boom!!!!! Dave drops GTboobie again!!! This is hilarious!!!!!!!! It’s like a little kid trying to fight his dad or something!!! LOL!!!!!

Gbal

October 19th, 2010
5:13 pm

There is no way that the BCS system can guarantee that the top two teams in the nation meet in the final game. Too many variables … Strength of schedule being the biggest, and then there is also the media influence on the voters…

But I do feel 100% confident that the current BCS poll system would capture the top 6-8 … maybe 10-12 teams in their final 16 teams if we had a playoff system. There would also be some Boises, TCU’s… in that top 16 and they would have a chance to prove themselve on the field in the end of season tournament.

Take the top 16 period . The top 8 seeds have home field (on campus) for the first round of 8 games. Then the last 7 games go to the 7 top bowls. You get excitement from fans wanting to finish #1….Excitement surrounding making the top 8 and a home field first round playoff game at your campus… you get excitement around making that top 16 cut to get a chance for the BCS tourney….

Currently we just talk about who is going to be 1 & 2…

The added interest and excitment means additional $$$ for all in the NCAAFB food chain …. and a 16 game playoff definately does not dilute the regular season …Just the opposite… you have more teams fighting to make the cut to the tourney…

BUT it can not be the confrence champs get an auto IN…. we want the top 16 to fight it out to determing the true champ.

Bona Fide

October 19th, 2010
5:15 pm

@MURPHY

There is no trend. Auburn scored over 50 in their first game, but I only listed their legitimate games. They have been up and down offensively and they had one blowout win over Arkansas. They have never had an impressive game on defense. Let’s see what they do next Saturday before we crown them the “New Boise State”.

Dave

October 19th, 2010
5:18 pm

Boise had put several guys over the years into the NFL. More so than most people are aware of. Would I say they are better now they were back then? Sure. But would I say they are heads and shoulders better? Absolutely not. Reason being is that they still have not played enough worthy opponents consistently to make an honest assessment. 80% of Boise’s status comes from their performances against the two Oregon schools over the years. Two of the most overhyped programs in the country. Oklahoma has laid more eggs than I can count and even Boise would admit that they were not expecting for every single one of their trick plays to go off flawlessly in that game. And I’m still not entirely sold on TCU. Clemson should have beat them for crying out loud.

It all goes back to the schedule and the teams they have beat. If Boise would do this in one year in any BCS conference I will then concede they are awesome, but until then, they are paper champions taking advantage of a media that is thirty for a David vs. Goliath plot-line.

tell me again

October 19th, 2010
5:23 pm

I will say it again : The last time Boise had the “offense of the century” they came to Athens with their impressive winning streak and got a mud hole stomped in their face. Then the flavor of the week was Hawaii – played the Dawgs in the bowl game and were thoroughly pounded into hamburger meat. If these teams played in the SEC they would have to deal with the week in and week out pounding of teams that are their equal – not the glorified high school teams they play now. They should not be in the duscussion…period. They are a big fish in a little itty bitty pond.

Tide Rising

October 19th, 2010
5:26 pm

Dave’s stats regarding Boise tell me all I need to know.

I had no idea that Boise had played Ark twice in the early 2000s- a 12-1 Boise team got walloped 41-14 by Ark. The rematch 2 years later was a little more respectable 38-31 with Ark probably not taking Boise as seriously due to the beating they gave Boise 2 years earlier.

And S. Carolina blew out Boise 32-13 in 2001.

I just remember the brutal asskicking session the dawgs inflicted on them in 2005.

That’s 4 losses to SEC teams with 3 of them being blowouts 41-14, 48-13, and 32-13.

You can say those games are irrelevant because they were in the early 2000s. Not true. Boise was running through the WAC for the last decade and in the first season that Ark walloped them 41-14 in 2000 that was their only loss that year. Nuff said.

MURPHY

October 19th, 2010
5:26 pm

Bona Fide,

Im not crowning them anything. Their Defense is horrible and LSU will calm Cam down. I dont think LSU offense can score enough to win.That is the point I was making.

GTBob

October 19th, 2010
5:31 pm

tell me again, when UGA played Boise, Boise wasn’t on a winning streak, they lost their last game the season before. And it was a top 15 UGA team (eventually top 10) vs an unranked Boise team who had their worst season in the past 10 years. Kudos to UGA for playing well and stomping them but I don’t think it has much relevance today.

Bona Fide

October 19th, 2010
5:31 pm

@MURPHY

Based on their Arkansas game only, I would tend to agree. After watching the ups and downs in the SEC so far this season, I am not willing to hazard a guess as to the outcome of the Auburn vs. LSU game. It could be a typical, low-scoring affair, or it could be a blowout by either team. I will definitely watch it, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

Bona Fide

October 19th, 2010
5:32 pm

Boise State, on the other hand, has never had any relevance.

MURPHY

October 19th, 2010
5:34 pm

Bona Fide,

I agree,I dont know who to pick. Crazy season in the SEC

Tide Rising

October 19th, 2010
5:35 pm

I just noticed that only 3 short years ago Boise was 10-3 playing in the WAC. How in the hell do you lose 3 games playing in the WAC? Fresno State is the only other team that is decent from time to time and Hawaii was ok but not great under June Jones. The other teams are horrendous- Utah State, New Mexico state, San Jose, Nevada, Idaho, and La. Tech. I could see a loss to one other team or an upset loss but how the hell do you lose 3 in one year playing in this conference?

WHO CARES?

October 19th, 2010
5:39 pm

GTBob,

who cares about Boise St? Im sure they would kick Tech’s a..! Why dont yall put them in the Almost Collegiate Conference!!!!

WHO CARES?

October 19th, 2010
5:41 pm

All Boise St is-Window dressing for ESPN!!

Tide Rising

October 19th, 2010
5:42 pm

GTBob,

I agree that Boise is a good team and I would not bet any crazy money on Georgia beating them but I certainly wouldn’t bet any crazy money on Boise beating Georgia either. But judging from Boise’s games against the sec in the 2000s its pretty obvious this team would be an 8-4 team at best playing a week in and week out slate in the SEC. 3 blowouts in 4 games against the sec in the 2000s and 3 of those sec teams were average to mediocre.

Ark 41 Boise 14 Ark went 6-6 in the sec this year
South Carolina 32 Boise 13 Carolina went 8-4 in the sec this year
Ark 38 Boise 31 Ark went 9-4 in the sec this year
Georgia 48 Boise 13 Georgia did go 13-1 this year

If Boise could at least make more than one out of 4 of these games remotely close I would respect them a little more but they didn’t.

Boise Dawg

October 19th, 2010
5:49 pm

Tide are you serious? That has to take the top prize of what has been a blog full of stupid posts.

The year in question was the year that Hawaii went undefeated and played in the Sugar Bowl against Georgia. It was a rebuilding year for BSU and they lost a 1st round offensive linemen and had no quarterback. They redshirted Kellen Moore that year and played a senior back up. The only WAC team they lost to was Hawaii. Their other loss was at Washington and then they lost their bowl game to East Carolina 41-38. Boise State has only had 1 loss since that game and that was to TCU in their 2008 bowl game.

What is really funny about your argument… I seem to recall Alabama going 7-6 that same year and losing to Louisiana-Monroe. I can’t believe the BCS let Alabama play for the championship last year… they lost to La-Monroe in 2007. They should be kicked out of the SEC…. see the stupidity?

Boise Dawg

October 19th, 2010
5:58 pm

Tide why does 2000, 2001 or even 2005 even matter? Do you realize in the 1990s BSU was still a Division II school? Their progression has been amazing. Alabama was a crap program in 2000, 2001 and 2005 so what is your point?

Do you realize they have dominated a weak WAC… that they have never lost a WAC game at home? That they haven’t lost a regular season game to anyone in 2.5 years? That they beat Utah 36-3 in 2006.. the same Utah program that kicked the crap out of Alabama.

Bona Fide

October 19th, 2010
5:59 pm

La-Monroe = Boise State

Neither qualifies as a National Championship contender — I don’t care who they beat way back when.

Tide Rising

October 19th, 2010
6:00 pm

Boise dawg,

I guess I have to impolitely point out that utter stupidity of your points. So what if Boise’s losses were to East Carolina- not a bcs conference, and to Washington which wasn’t very good then and only illustrates my point that they can’t compete on a regular basis with a bcs type conference. As for your assinine point that Boise was in a rebuilding year, redshirted Moore, had lost an NFL caliber lineman- for God’s sake what in the hell does that have to do with anything you blithering idiot? Doesn’t everybody lose great players and have to redshirt other players. And before you kick us out for the indignity of losing to La Monroe you might as well kick your own arse out. Why? Because La Monroe beat us by 7 that year and Georgia beat us by 3 in an OT game. Apparently they were better than the dogs in regulation. And btw LA Monroe is the last team to beat us at home. No sec team has beaten us at home since that game. Now STFU IDIOT.

GTBob

October 19th, 2010
6:00 pm

Tide Rising, my main reason for betting lots of money on Boise St would be simple. If I am given even odds on a team that should be favored by probably a touchdown or more then i’m going to bet a lot on them. The expected value increase alone makes the bet a good bet. If I lose, oh well, it happens.

As for the previous losses to SEC opponents, like I said, I don’t think they are relevant today. I think their team is significantly better on both sides of the ball. They are currently ranked number 1 in the country in total defense. In 2005 they were ranked 51st. They are currently number 4 in total offense. In 2005 they were 29th. Its not the same team as it was back then.

Peteybuck

October 19th, 2010
6:02 pm

To address the comment that Boise state would get CHOMPED & ROMPED by Alabama, Auburn and Oklahoma–we already CHOMPED & ROMPED Oklahoma. Their was also a comment about Boise State not being able to beat Oregon or Oklahoma—HELLO, we beat Oregon the last two years and Oklahoma the year before that—so it is not an accuate statement. Also, we can’t just “JOIN” a conference and we acknowledge we are in our infancy compared to most BCS schools. Whether you like it or not Boise State IS A VERY GOOD TEAM and be careful what you ask for……..

Tide Rising

October 19th, 2010
6:04 pm

Boise Dawg,

So Bama was a crap program in 2005. I’m sorry. I thought we spent most of the season in the top 5 after beating UF 31-3 earlier in the season and spent 4 weeks ranked 3rd. I also thought we won 10 games that year and beat Texas Tech in the Cotton Bowl. Since when did a 10 win season constitute a crap season moron?

Better that you should keep your mouth shut and let everyone think you are a fool rather than open it and confirm that you are indeed a fool.

Peteybuck

October 19th, 2010
6:07 pm

And by the way… If Boise State played in the SEC they would have all of the finacial and recruitment benefits as such. You guys have no idea (nor do I, but I don’t claim they would be 8-4 at best)) as to how Boise State would do in the SEC.

Tide Rising

October 19th, 2010
6:09 pm

Boise Dawg,

So now you’re playing that they beat so and so in 06 which beat your team in 08 so they must be better than you. Man that is the weakest logic on here. I seriously doubt the Utah team in 06 was as good as the undefeated Utah team in 08 that finished no. 2 in the country.

Boise Dawg

October 19th, 2010
6:09 pm

Tide.. of course teams lose great players… not every team is dominant every year. Is Alabama as good this year as last year? Florida might was well pack it in as a program… gee they can’t overcome the loss of some talent. We are talking about 2010. Not 2000, 2001 or even 2009.

You are criticizing Boise for going 10-2 in the regular season and losing to a BCS team on the road and a team that played in a BCS bowl game on the road. What a terrible program they must have.

Boise Dawg

October 19th, 2010
6:11 pm

No Tide I am really not… I am merely flipping your argument around to how how idiotic it is. We can’t compare prior years to this year.. that is my point.

Bona Fide

October 19th, 2010
6:18 pm

They’re still playing the same loser schedule. A high school team would have a great defensive ranking if they never encountered any decent offenses.

Bona Fide

October 19th, 2010
6:21 pm

@Peteybuck

Your argument is that Boise State would be great — if only they weren’t Boise State.

Boise Dawg

October 19th, 2010
6:24 pm

You guys act like they can control their schedule. Look I am not going to argue that Boise State deserves to play for a BCS title.. they probably don’t. However that doesn’t change the fact that I think they could beat anyone in the country right now.

All the BSU haters act like they can control what conference they play in. It has taken them years to even get invited to the Mountain West. The Pac 10 wants nothing to do with them. They can’t play all of the non-conference games as away games… and it is very difficult to schedule good out of conference opponents.

Peteybuck

October 19th, 2010
6:27 pm

Dave, you sure are one pompus individual. You choose to look at Boise State’s schedule from 2000-2005. We had been a BCS school for all of 3-7 years. Why don’t you post how we have done from the Fiesta Bowl (Jan 2007) on. You really should get up-to-date!!!!!!

Peteybuck

October 19th, 2010
6:29 pm

Bona fide, my argument is that you are an idiot—nothing else.

Beast from the East

October 19th, 2010
6:33 pm

Boise Dawg,
I see your point in your post @ 6:24pm. They cannot control those things and can only hope they are given an opportunity. Whether they deserve that opportunity or not is certainly a hot topic nationally. The one thing I do know for sure is this…..my Gators wouldn’t want any part of them this year! We’ve been stinking it up and continue to do so week after week after week.
Oh well, it’s still great to be a Gator!

Boise Dawg

October 19th, 2010
6:39 pm

Beast you never know. It has been a crazy year in the East, maybe they get it figured out on offense. I just hope it happens after October 30. At least Florida still controls their own destiny. Run the table and you get to play in the Sugar Bowl.

Beast from the East

October 19th, 2010
6:47 pm

Boise Dawg,
I can’t see us beating a solid South Carolina or FSU this year. Not the way we’ve been playing. As bad as we looked last week, I would not be surprised if we end up being 6-6. That hurt just to type that! I’m afraid a lot of the rival fans were correct in their pre-season predictions about us. The massive amount of turnover on the coaching staff the last two years has really taken it’s toll this year. Especially without the on-the-field leadership we had from Tebow, Spikes, Cooper, etc. Tons of talent, but no chemistry and coaches still trying to figure out what works while teaching young players how to play their assignments. Add that up and it makes for a painful season. I’d just like to see them show improvement week to week instead of back-peddling. Not much room for error in the SEC.

Boise Dawg

October 19th, 2010
6:53 pm

Beast.. it’s amazing how just 1 or 2 guys make so much difference. All this talent that teams like Texas, Florida, Alabama, and yes even Georgia get every year… and yet it all doesn’t matter much if you don’t have leaders and chemistry.

Boise had amazing team chemistry last year and I was hopefull they would have it again this year. That is what makes them so dangerous… yes they are playing cupcakes, but the focus they are able to keep and the beatdowns they are delivering are impressive none the less.

Silent Observer

October 19th, 2010
7:13 pm

I’m impressed with Boise State’s play as well. I also understand that they can’t easily change their circumstances. Still, they don’t deserve consideration for the National Championship. I don’t really care if they’ve won a big game here and there, nor am I impressed with the regular beat-downs that they hand their cream-puff opponents week in and week out. They are better than their regular competition, but their regular competition is inadequate to justify putting them in the same category as a Top Ten team in a BCS conference. They should not be ranked as high as they are. It is a joke and the joke is getting old and stale.

Delbert D.

October 19th, 2010
7:29 pm

By the end of the regular season, it is entirely possible that Alabama and Auburn will have played only 2 teams in the BCS top 25, each other and LSU. Miss. St., Arkansas and S.C. may drop out with another loss.

Boise Dawg

October 19th, 2010
7:35 pm

Silent.. valid points, but I am not sure how you can be impressed by Boise, but then say they aren’t worthy of a top 10 ranking. Not many schools can claim to have beaten two ranked teams out of conference.

I am also of the opinion that their schedule (while it is weak) isn’t quite as bad as most make it out to be and that most of the BCS conferences can be pretty weak outside the top 2 or 3 teams. For example.. this year Toledo beat Purdue which isn’t the worst team in the Big 10. Did you see what Boise did to Toledo? Nevada destroyed Cal… Cal is far from the worst team in the Pac 10. Cal beat UCLA btw, who happened to beat Texas.

brokeback jacket

October 19th, 2010
7:42 pm

If one empty sports venue wasn’t enough, now tech virgins can fail to sell-out the new Sleeperdome, just like that tiny “stadium” they already don’t go to. Next, a new baseball field and sorority houses.

Just kidding, there are no girls at tech, unless you include the butt-ugly cheerleaders.

Silent Observer

October 19th, 2010
7:47 pm

@Boise Dawg

Simple. I’m also impressed by the play of Jacksonville State and Appalachian State.

Hoover High School is pretty good as well, but I wouldn’t rank them in the FBS Top Ten.

Silent Observer

October 19th, 2010
7:48 pm

As for your second paragraph: See LSU vs. Tennessee.

Tide4u2c

October 19th, 2010
7:52 pm

Boise St should be behind all of the BCS schools in the polls who remain undefeated and behind one loss BCS teams too. It is people who prop up Boise St over BCS schools that are not being fair at all.Stop with all of this sympathy for Boise.

Hit A Single

October 19th, 2010
9:13 pm

Boise St. would be five hundred in the SEC!

Cam Newton stole my laptop

October 19th, 2010
9:31 pm

Look for LSU to WORK the barn this weekend.

Cam Newton = overrated felon

Silent Observer

October 19th, 2010
10:03 pm

Cam Newton is a great player, yet even great players who make great speeches about never losing again get shut down sometimes. That’s just football…

Silent Observer

October 19th, 2010
10:11 pm

@Tide4u2c

I suspect that many of the voters figured that they would set Boise up by ranking them high in the pre-season polls and then dump them when they lost to VA Tech. They should have known better. Frank Beamer has become notorious in the past few years for failing to prepare his teams in the off-season. They have to get a loss or two under their belts before they get in gear — then they tend to be the best team in the conference… Not that that’s saying so much.

are you kidding me?

October 19th, 2010
10:53 pm

Regardless of the BCS outcome this year I am definitely going to pull for a Boise State -SEC team matchup in some bowl game. I so hope that happens this year.

are you kidding me?

October 19th, 2010
10:54 pm

And then I hope we can all meet here again for some huge plates of crow to be served!!!

Why u Scared?

October 20th, 2010
12:16 am

it would appear to an observer that there are two types of people in this fight.

Type one: is the Boise fans or people who would like to see them play in the NC game.

Type 2: Fans of the SEC.

It is also very clear that the SEC fans are whining just as much as the Boise fans. So you are all whiners. My team is better because of this or my team is better because of that. It sounds really silly and childish…if Boise is really that terrible of a team then play them in the NC game SEC.

gcs

October 20th, 2010
12:52 am

Computers = smart.
People = stupid.

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ajc pariah

October 20th, 2010
2:55 am

Ya know, Boise obviously does not play enough Goliaths,but,I’d wager they’d meet you anytime,anywhere.And beat most BCS bada##’s.The intangible,Heart.

Silent Observer

October 20th, 2010
7:57 am

Sure. Just like the Bad News Bears.

Silent Observer

October 20th, 2010
7:58 am

You kids grew up watching too much television.

Dave

October 20th, 2010
10:19 am

Wrong as usual GTbob. Boise was preseason #24 when they played UGA. And as I previously stated, which you coincidentally overlooked, they were coming off a two year run of going 24-2. As I said to begin our conversation, it’s time for you to sit down and shut up.

Bravesfan79

October 20th, 2010
6:43 pm

How can anyone that’s not a TRUE sports fan not root for Boise? Everyone loves a good Rocky/ underdog story. Thats right, most of yall arent TRUE sports fans, and were probably never athletes.
You selfishly only care about your 1 team, and when your team goes undefeated, you are justly rewarded with a trip to some meaningless whogivesacrap.com bowl Yall are fake sports fans, cheering for a fake sport. Perhaps you crappy fans and your crappy sport deserve each other.
Go Braves, Go Falcons!
Oyea… and u better believe if the NFL “voted” on who went to the superbowl, you better believe the fans would protest in mass and not attend games!
But what do College football fans do? They listen to the BCS presidents and buy into their bs. I guess they are just 2 young and dumb to organize themselves enough to force change!
College Football… a drunken frat social event? Yes. A Real Sport? NO!

Bravesfan79

October 20th, 2010
6:46 pm

Boise State would be .500 in the SEC?? Hmmm…a great offense and little defense, hows that working out for Auburn?

'94 UGA Grad

October 21st, 2010
9:58 am

Bravesfan79 you are a moron! If you want to be the best, then you have to play the best. UGA as bad as there are would be 11-1 or 10-2 with Boise’s schedule. And Alabama, Auburn, South Carolina, Arkansas, and LSU would all be 12-0.

RC Cola and a Moon Pie

October 22nd, 2010
11:52 am

tony – you left Penn State off of Alabamas schedule as your article stated “played or left to play”. Joe Pa’s team was #14(?) when they played?

Old School

October 26th, 2010
8:57 am

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