The SEC will need some help in the BCS

For the second straight week No. 1 has gotten beat. The first BCS Standings are now in the books. So What Did We Learn?

1. The SEC is going to need some help: You’d have to say that the SEC is in pretty good shape in the first BCS Standings with No. 4 Auburn (7-0), No. 6 LSU (7-0), and No. 8 (6-1) all in the mix and all scheduled to play each other between now and Nov. 26. But the SEC is going to need a little help to get a team to No. 2. I think either No. 1 Oklahoma or No. 2 Oregon is going to have to lose somewhere down the stretch (more on this tomorrow) in order for the SEC  team that emerges from that Auburn-LSU-Alabama round robin to get into one of the top two spots.

What’s the problem, SEC fans ask? The problem is that if one of those three teams wins the SEC championship, it will do it against an SEC East team that will likely have three or more losses. I think an undefeated Auburn or LSU gets there. A one-loss team will be more difficult if Oklahoma and Oregon do not lose.

2. Cameron Newton is on the top of my Heisman Trophy list: First it was Michigan’s Denard Robinson. Then it was Ohio State’s Terrelle Pryor. Both have lost. Right now there is no college football player in America who means more to his team than Auburn’s Cameron Newton. He again had over 300 yards of total offense (188 rushing, 140 passing) as the No. 4 Tigers beat Arkansas 65-43. It was an incredible thing to watch. If Newton leads his team to a victory on Saturday against No. 6 LSU, which has one of the best defenses in the country, he will be everybody’s leading candidate.

3. Florida is a real mess:  The Gators haven’t loss three straight games during the regular season since 1988. Give Mississippi State and Dan Mullen credit. They marched into Gainesville and knew that their defense was good enough to keep a hapless Florida offense in check. Mississippi State ran 58 offensive plays against Florida. Forty-nine of them were running plays. That means Mullen was playing for a low-scoring game because he knew Florida’s offense was not going to score very many points. It’s going to be a very interesting week off down there. Will they make any significant changes because the offense as it is now being run with John Brantley at quarterback is not working. Florida plays Georgia in Jacksonville on Oct. 30.

4. How bad is the SEC East? This bad: Georgia still has a shot. It’s a tall order, but if the Bulldogs win out at Kentucky, Florida and at Auburn they will be 5-3. South Carolina (2-2) has conference games left with Vanderbilt, Tennessee, Arkansas and Florida. Florida (2-3) has games left with Georgia, Vanderbilt and South Carolina. If Georgia wins out, South Carolina loses twice (Arkansas, Florida) and Florida loses only once (to Georgia) then the Bulldogs go. If Georgia beats Florida and loses only to Auburn to finish 4-4, the Bulldogs could still go. Why? If Georgia, Florida, and South Carolina all finish in a tie at 4-4, three of Georgia’s losses would have been in the SEC West (Arkansas, Miss. State, Auburn). Georgia would be 4-1 in the Eastern Division, which is the second tiebreaker. South Carolina would have two losses (Kentucky, Florida) in the division. Florida (which has lost to Alabama, LSU, and Miss. State) would also only have one loss in the division. But Georgia would win the head-to-head to break the tie. None of this matters if Georgia doesn’t beat Kentucky.

5. The ACC Coastal is starts to heat up this week: We said going into this season that the two most competitive divisions in college football would be the SEC West and the ACC Coasal. The SEC West has three teams in the BCS top eight and they are still scheduled to play one another. Virginia Tech (3-0), Georgia Tech (3-1), Miami (2-1), and North Carolina (2-1) are getting ready to play some appointment television. Here is the breakdown:

Virginia Tech: Nov. 4 (Thursday) vs. Georgia Tech; Nov. 13 at North Carolina, Nov. 20 at Miami

Georgia Tech: The Yellow Jackets play at huge game outside the division at Clemson this week followed by an open date. Then it’s Nov. 4 at Virginia Tech, Nov. 13 vs. Miami. the Jackets have already beaten North Carolina.

Miami: Saturday vs. North Carolina; Nov. 13 at Georgia Tech; Nov. 20 vs. Virginia Tech.

North Carolina: Saturday vs. Miami; Nov. 20 vs. Virginia Tech; the Tar Heels’ only ACC loss is to Georgia Tech.

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289 comments Add your comment

Old School

October 18th, 2010
11:03 am

Herschel’s Revenge

I agree 100%. Ingram wasn’t even the best player on his own team last year (McClain). IMHO, Nndamukong Suh was the best and most dominant player last year.

MikeP

October 18th, 2010
11:08 am

Quote by Mike: “Mike No way an SEC team is getting in the title game this year. Oklahoma and Oregon will not lose.:

They don’t have to lose. If Auburn or LSU wins out, the computers will put them in at BCS #1 due to strength of schedule. SOS already shocked most “experts” by placing AU and LSU so high in this first week. Both of those teams will have a remarkable increase in SOS in coming weeks.
A one loss team might not get in, but an undefeated AU or LSU will waltz in. The question would be who finishes #2 and gets to play them.

Jazz

October 18th, 2010
11:12 am

The SEC has 3 teams in the top 10 of the first BCS rankings and they “need help?” Ehhh…..

3rdn8

October 18th, 2010
11:13 am

MikeP

Disagree with your assessment of SOS. It looks to me as if the OU and Oregon schedule(s) get tougher toward the end-of-season. OU will likely play Nebraska in the Big 12 championship. Oregon can still win at USC, Washington, and Arizona. All of those games will garner points from the voters.

AJ owns JJ

October 18th, 2010
11:15 am

Last week Bama fans were trying to deflect the discussion of AJ Green owning Julio Jones into a debate about durability. Both AJ and Jones have had injuries during their careers so far, but apparently Jones has a pretty severe hand injury that continues to plague him. Last time I checked, hands are a receivers most valuable weapons. Just another check in the “why AJ dominates” category.

another reason to hate the ACC

October 18th, 2010
11:18 am

The last thing I want to see is Boise wasting a spot in the national championship game and taking it away from a more deserving team. The voters are so desperate to get the Broncos in there that they will latch onto any excuse. What better excuse to put Boise in there than being able to say Boise beat a “conference champion” on a neutral field??? That champion being Va. Tech that is looking more and more like the cream of the crop out of the pathetically horrible ACC.

3rdn8

October 18th, 2010
11:23 am

Style points. It seems to me that “style points” is capital that is amortized quite rapidly as a season progresses. Taking the 2009 schedule as a case-in-point, it mattered little to voters that Bama eaked out wins over fairly weak UT and AU teams. At the end, 13-0 trumped everything.

I’m guessing that OU’s thrashing of that great power Iowa State (if in fact that is how they’re No. 1) will last more than four days.

3rdn8

October 18th, 2010
11:25 am

s/b “not last more than four days”

3rdn8

October 18th, 2010
11:29 am

AJ owns JJ

Apples and Oranges. Green is the better pure receiver…..better hands. Jones is a better athlete. I’ve watched Bama football a long time, and have never seen a better blocking WR. The exception being Ozzie Newsome, and he was really a TE. Most of Jones’ great plays are not caught on camera because he is busy pancaking a DB (or LB) somewhere on the field.

BAMA dude

October 18th, 2010
11:38 am

Julio is a better, more physical, runner and blocker. Green has better hands. The biggest difference between them is the offense they play in. Saban will rarely if ever have a WR with gaudy stats.

Why does this keep coming up anyway? I don’t think anybody really cares other than who wins and who loses.

Tide Rising

October 18th, 2010
11:39 am

Does anyone really want to win the sec east? I guess someone has to by default. Interesting weekend. South Carolina was sky high after upsetting us and then the chicken curse hits, they come back to earth and go back to being what they’ve always been- South Carolina. Still a good team though and if they play like they did against us and AU they can play with anyone.

Went to the AU-Ark game this weekend with an AU buddy. Man was that crazy. No defense means AU will lose a game or 2 just like everyone else in the conference.

OU will lose a game. Book it.

Oregon- People get all caught up in the flash of offenses putting up big points(AU also) but then they forget that sooner or later those offenses either have an off day or run into someone who can actually play defense- like the way Oregon ran into Ohio State last year in the Rose Bowl. Oregon isn’t out of the woods yet- they can and likely will lose a game. I mean can anyone really imagine Oregon going undefeated? Its Oregon for Pete’s sake.

Still a lot of ball to be played.

pbj

October 18th, 2010
11:40 am

And if the SEC East champ were to beat the West Champ, whomever that might be ; then what?
Will a one loss SEC West Champ, if that loss is to a 3 or 4 loss SEC East champ, be eliminated from the NC game consideration?

Tide Rising

October 18th, 2010
11:42 am

AJ owns JJ,

Is that all you got? Ranting about your opinion that AJ is better than Julio cause you got nothing else. I know one thing. I say let the 2 of them duke it out. I think you and every other dog fan on here knows Julio would kick AJ’s ass all over the place.

Soy un perdedor

October 18th, 2010
11:43 am

@AJ owns JJ

I’m sure that both AJ and JJ are happy to discover that someone actually cares.

Soy un perdedor

October 18th, 2010
11:45 am

Regarding WR’s, I wouldn’t be surprised if Julio elects to return to CFB next year, rather than going into the NFL draft. It will be his choice, but I don’t think he’s seen his best season yet at Bama.

Soy un perdedor

October 18th, 2010
11:50 am

pbj

October 18th, 2010
11:40 am

And if the SEC East champ were to beat the West Champ, whomever that might be ; then what?
Will a one loss SEC West Champ, if that loss is to a 3 or 4 loss SEC East champ, be eliminated from the NC game consideration?

You must have no knowledge of the sport in order to ask such an absurd question. The SEC hasn’t dominated CFB in recent years due to media bias, they have dominated in spite of media bias. If there is any way to exclude the SEC, then they will be excluded.

atltiger15

October 18th, 2010
11:54 am

I’m just glad to be in the mix at this point in the season. We are just a year and a half removed from 5-7 and AD being killed by his hiring. I’d say we’re ahead of schedule and i think our lack of depth from the TUBBS regime is killing our D, not to mention how quick our Offense is scoring, but with that said, the D allowed its first touchdown in the 4th quarter of the year against Arky. It steps up when things get tough..I’m just enjoying the ride and waking up on Sundays couldnt be any better up to this point.

pbj

October 18th, 2010
12:05 pm

Soy un perdedor My question was to all the SEC fanatics , many of whom I am sure would say yes- that one loss winner should still be in the NC. Please spare me your animosity for the media.

Soy un perdedor

October 18th, 2010
12:06 pm

@atltiger15

Auburn appears to be overcoming their personnel deficiencies with pure, unadulterated effort. It will be interesting to see how long they can keep up the pace. If there is a true “Cinderella” team in CFB this year, then it has to be Auburn. Congrats on your season so far.

Richard

October 18th, 2010
12:07 pm

“The voters are so desperate to get the Broncos in there that they will latch onto any excuse.”

What clued you in? The Broncos getting passed in the polls by Oregon despite playing a tougher schedule to that point? Perhaps the fact that they started out at #3, watched the two teams ahead of them lose and now sit at #3?

The reality is that the voters are latching to excuses to keep Boise out of the title game, not in it. The “media bias” you’re referring to is the biggest thing helping the SEC, not hurting it.

Wake up.

Soy un perdedor

October 18th, 2010
12:08 pm

@pbj

Please spare us your animosity toward college football. There must be a blog somewhere for whiners?

WashingtonDCduck

October 18th, 2010
12:10 pm

**** Well, everyone makes some good points here… *****

Someone asked if Oregon could be substituted for the SEC East champ and play the rep from the west in Atlanta for the title game… hmmm, interesting. I’ll pass on that one, because at this point the speculation is through the roof. To I think what is your point though, the SEC East is certainly more down than I can ever remember. I’m no SEC Football Historian, but I can’t remember when all these teams looked so pedestrian at the same time.

Did anyone else notice how much LSU struggled against Mcnese State Saturday night though? They spotted them two leads! I say jury is still out on the Tigers and I’d like Auburn any day of the week against LSU right now.

Apples and Oranges folks on the BCS rankings at this point. Speaking for my Oregon Ducks alone, we still have a tough gauntlet in front of us. We take on a UCLA team that is about as inconsistent as the recent economy, since they whoop Texas in Austin (YES, “Whoop”, they thoroughly manhandled the Longhorns – who goes and beats Nebraska and plays OU tough) but than UCLA lays an egg the next week and it’s the same UCLA team that Stanford beat 35-0 in the Rose Bowl. Oregon has to travel to USC and the historic Coliseum. USC is down, no doubt about that. They have an 11 year old coaching them who knows nothing about football, yes I agree. BUT, this Trojan team still has 5 star recruits at every position, and if properly motivated can still play the game. Oregon has an Arizona team that beat Iowa in Tucson this year at home the day after Thanksgiving, Friday on national TV – an Arizona team that has spent some time this year in the Top 10. Oregon gets Jake Locker and the Huskies in Autzen in early November, and they also have the always tough Civil War with it’s step brother Oregon State on the road. You think Oregon State is pissed off about getting bumped from the Rose Bowl game two years in a row by it’s bitter arch rival Oregon? They’ll be pissed regardless of their record come that first Saturday in December.

pbj

October 18th, 2010
12:11 pm

Your attitude and bias says much more about you than you think.

Soy un perdedor

October 18th, 2010
12:14 pm

@WashingtonDCduck

It’s far too early in the season to worry about who’s #1. Carrying the 1st Place ranking at this point is merely an albatross around a team’s neck. I was hoping that one of the Tiny Two (BSU & TCU) would get stuck with the #1 spot — just so they would have to play out the season with that burden.

Soy un perdedor

October 18th, 2010
12:16 pm

@pbj

You have obviously mistaken me for someone who cares what you think.

pbj

October 18th, 2010
12:17 pm

Soy un perdedor Your handle says it all. Very appropriate.

GTBob

October 18th, 2010
12:19 pm

WashingtonDCduck, it wasnt just Mcneese St. LSU has looked pretty bad against a terrible Tennessee team, and a UNC team missing most of their team. Then it took a miracle finish to beat a Florida team that isn’t nearly as good as anyone thought. They have looked as bad as any 7-0 team I have ever seen. I would be shocked if they beat Auburn, but then again, Clemson almost did so who knows.

Soy un perdedor

October 18th, 2010
12:20 pm

Gracias, mi amigo de idiota.

WashingtonDCduck

October 18th, 2010
12:22 pm

“Soy un perdedor”

Entiendo lo que estas deciendo- pero no estamos juntos….

I could care less about the #1 ranking Oregon carries right now. Doesn’t mean squat in October. Now, if we were sitting at #25 than I’d be worried, because it’s tough to climb the hill from that far down. If you are in the Top 5, or hovering around there that’s ok because as history (and last two weeks) have shown us, teams will lose. It’s attrition.

With that said, it’s exciting for an Oregon program to finally have reached the #1 spot. I don’t start at middle linebacker for the Ducks, so I can get excited, I can assure you though that Chip Kelly is telling them to not get caught up in it and one day at a time. Not even one game at a time, just focus on winning the day and the rest will take care of itself. Loose to UCLA Thursday night and it means nothing.

AJ owns JJ

October 18th, 2010
12:23 pm

LOL!!! “Better athlete?” Hmmm….I’ve seen AJ make some catches that cornrows can only dream about making. The only thing Jones would be better at than AJ is the bench press. And even then I would put money down that Jones gets hurt.

@ Tide Rising,

My opinion isn’t “opinion” at all. The stats speak for themselves. And AJ has played in about 8 less games than cornrows as well. Choke on it.

the dumb get dumber

October 18th, 2010
12:25 pm

Richard,

You take the cake for the stupidest post of the day. And believe me, you had some competition. The SEC is 16-5 in BCS games yet they need “media bias” to make their case? Your crummy conference has as many BCS wins combined as UGA does alone.

Top Recruit

October 18th, 2010
12:26 pm

Oregon, Boise, and TCU are very solid teams. When you watch them, if you put aside your bias toward the ACC and SEC, you can see they are excellant offensive teams. All three are solid along the line and their QB play. I like Boise as #1. They can move the ball.
Jeff Mullen is doing the best coaching in the SEC…even without a top flight QB. Todd Grantham may be the best defensive coordinator in the SEC. He is slowly but surely dialing in his team and the opposition. Most dangerous team down the stretch…could be the DAWGS…they have yet to play a game with a full roster of players. The DAWGS simply need to allow themselves to good. They have the players who have yet moved to the mindset they can beat anyone they want at any time. Once there, they can be like Boise, and move the ball at will. They have not come close to a complete game yet. Auburn could be peaking, but at the wrong time…too many top opponents ahead.

3rdn8

October 18th, 2010
12:27 pm

AJ owns JJ

Are you the only one interested in this argument? OK…you win.

rlinaug

October 18th, 2010
12:28 pm

Can the nation’s college football writers please stop pretending Terrell Pryor is a Heisman caliber quarterback. Sure he’s a good athlete, but he can’t pass. He just can’t. When Ohio State got the bal back after Wisconsin took a 28-18 lead, Pryor threw 3 passes, all to wide open receivers, and he missed all three. And these were short-yardage passes so poorly thrown, his receivers didn’t have a chance. OSU needed a score, got a three and out.

ESPN plays up Pryor for some reason, maybe cause he goes to OSU, but he stinks throwing the ball. Please, just say it Tony, Pryor stinks. Someone needs to.

Tide Rising

October 18th, 2010
12:30 pm

AJ owns JJ,

As someone else said who really cares even if you were right? Is that your single bragging point? That one position player on your team may possibly be better than his counterpart on Bama’s team? Seriously? Tell AJ that if he’s nice that Julio will let him shine his BCS trophy sometime. He’ll show him his conference and national championship rings also- something AJ will never see. The closest AJ will get to a ring is if he sells another jersey and takes the proceeds to buy an old sec title ring from a former dawg player selling his 02 or 05 sec ring on Ebay.

BAMA dude

October 18th, 2010
12:33 pm

AJ Green has proven himself a better entrepreneur than Julio at this point in their careers. I’ll give you that.

Seriously, no one cares. Hey, I know! Let’s compare Mark Ingram to Caleb King. No?

3rdn8

October 18th, 2010
12:33 pm

WashingtonDCduck

Congratulations on the No. 1 ranking. I think all of the polls except the BCS got it right.

Good luck Thursday night.

Mike Smith

October 18th, 2010
12:39 pm

Tony, if Auburn or LSU runs the table, they should be in regardless. I think Alabama should be in as well, if they run the table. Oklahoma? Sorry, they have had their shot too many times lately, and havent won a BCS ball game since 2002. Oregon? Like last year, I wouldnt hold my breath on these guys. They had a great year and got manhandled by OSU in the Rose Bowl.

Boise St. is the only team in front of the SEC schools that should get in. Why? They win just like the SEC schools do.

I think it will be interesting to see what happens if Auburn goes undefeated again. Will they skip them over Oklahoma this time? Will they put aside the power elite mentality to let Auburn play? I have my doubts. This year is shaping up an awful lot like 2004. It will be interesting if the poll voters have learned their lesson.

3rdn8

October 18th, 2010
12:41 pm

Mike Smith

If AU wins out, and doesn’t get into the NC, I’m gonna move to Florida for a few months.

WashingtonDCduck

October 18th, 2010
12:41 pm

3rdn8,

Thanks man. It’s probably the spot that not many people want to be in. Do you remember 2007, when it seemed like every weekend a few teams in the Top 10 were getting shot down, especially in that #1 and #2 hole. It’s so early, and we have only hit the midway point. Hopefully we can have this same conversation in 4 weeks, at that point I’d be more self-assured. Even the best of teams need breaks, and some luck too. Football is a violent sport, and guys get hurt. If you can avoid injuries at key positions, keep your playmakers rested and healthy and the ball bounces here or there on a few lucky plays than you can at least give yourself a shot.

Oregon knows that all too well with Dennis Dixon’s knee getting blown out on the road at Arizona.

Richard

October 18th, 2010
12:43 pm

the dumb get dumber,
“You take the cake for the stupidest post of the day. And believe me, you had some competition. The SEC is 16-5 in BCS games yet they need “media bias” to make their case? Your crummy conference has as many BCS wins combined as UGA does alone.”

First, impressive that you were able to determine “my conference” from my post. I don’t recall mentioning it. Second, UGA with BCS wins? UGA currently has out of conference wins against….NOONE from the BCS (but to be fair, they were within 2 points of powerhouse Colorado). UGA currently has an out of conference schedule that’s worse than Jacksonville State, Nevada, North Carolina State, Oregon State, etc.

WashingtonDCduck

October 18th, 2010
12:47 pm

Mike Smith,

With all due respect Mr. Smith Oregon did not get “manhandled” in the Rose Bowl. Sure I have some bias here, but in football generalities, how does a team that led in the fourth quarter and was even on the statistical front get tagged for being manhandled in the game? I was there, it was a hell of game but neither team kicked the crap out of the other. Pryor beat Oregon, and Masoli helped out as well. Masoli was busy planning his winter crime spree and forgot how to hit open receivers down the field 10+ yards. Ohio State’s vaunted running game average less than 4 yds a carry, and their RBs averaged 3yds a carry. I’m a little hyper sensitive when people say Oregon got their face kicked in by Ohio State, because I’m a little hazy on how they arrive to that conclusion.

At the end of the day they won, we lost. They scored more points than we did, so doesn’t do much good to rehash it.

3rdn8

October 18th, 2010
12:50 pm

Team chemistry. How does UF, UM, and FSU ever wind up with mediocre football teams?

Every team in the United States recruits Florida high schools. With the possible exception of souther California, and parts of Texas, Florida produces more blue chip players than anyone.

The answer has to be team chemistry. The LA Lakers put together a super team in the early 70s. Wilt Chamblerlain, Jerry West, and Elgin Baylor…all on the same team. There was speculation that the Lakers would need two balls on offense. A no-name Celtic “Team” cleaned their clocks.

I see this as Urban Meyer’s biggest hurdle this year. I think it may be Bama’s biggest problem as well.

3rdn8

October 18th, 2010
12:58 pm

WashingtonDCduck

You’re correct on the injury point. I never make excuses, but a part of Bama’s struggles this year has been for that very reason. Bama was very fortunate in 2008, and 2009, in that they had few injuries to key players. This year, the statistical pendulum has swung.

Alphare

October 18th, 2010
12:58 pm

People of the state of Alabama,

isn’t it cool if Auburn wins NC this year after Bama did last year? it takes some state decades to bring home a trophy while a small state like Alabama may do it back to back with 2 different schools.

Not So Fast

October 18th, 2010
12:59 pm

Hey NOT AGAIN:

Get your facts straight son. First, It wasn’t a recruiting scandal in was an agent (wantaby) scandal. Just like what’s going on now at multiple schools in the ACC and SEC. Second LA is south of Memphis dope.

MURPHY

October 18th, 2010
1:02 pm

Alphare,

I see your point but I do not think the BAMA fans will be rejoicing if this occurs.

3rdn8

October 18th, 2010
1:04 pm

Alphare

Speaking for the rest of the Alabama citizens in this room, I agree.

Unfortunately……….half the state had rather soak their shirts in gasoline, and run through hell, than see AU win the big one.

I’m in the minority. If Bama can’t win it, I hope AU does.

Tide Rising

October 18th, 2010
1:08 pm

Alphare,

That would indeed be impressive if the 2 state schools won it back to back. As a Bama fan I don’t even hate AU- hell I went to their game this weekend with an AU buddy. I’m probably one of the few Bama fans that thinks it would be kinda cool if AU won it a year after Bama won it.

If AU does run the table there is no question they will get in over OU if they run the table as well. A precedent has been set that an undefeated SEC champ automatically gets into the big game- a lotta good will that’s been built up with 4 straight bcs titles. As it is though I think everyone in the west loses at least 1 game which will make things much more difficult. But as I said I also think OU definitely loses at least one game and Oregon is by no means assured of going undefeated either.

Hey idiot

October 18th, 2010
1:11 pm

How bout Spurrier giving up a 28-10 halftime lead to Kentucky. This negate your assinine article about Spurrier still having it. I think he has some big wins at USC (Tenn, Florida) just to finish flat every season he has been there.

He has not been relevant since the 90’s, but that was a farce too. 1 NC, 6-5 in bowls (a losing bowl record if you include USC), a very good FL team destroyed by Neb (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34v1UUhjtU0). LOL Neb 524 yds rushing, FL -24