Florida’s Meyer rolling the dice with Chris Rainey

Nobody asked me but:

1. Urban Meyer is rolling the dice with Chris Rainey: The Florida wide receiver had his felony stalking charge knocked down to a misdemeanor and will not be prosecuted for this text message threat to a Gainesville woman. I know that Meyer likes this kid and has tried to work with him, but if Rainey is allowed back on the team and something goes wrong, the University is going to be in a very vulnerable position from a liability standpoint. Meyer knows the kid. I don’t.  Local authorities have assessed the situation and don’t believe there is a threat. The woman involved is not pressing charges and issued a public statement saying that she does not believe there is a threat. That’s all well and good.

All I know is that since the Virginia lacrosse case (where a male member of the lacrosse team killed a female member of a team in the same sport by beating her head against a wall), the wisest policy is zero tolerance when it comes to threats towards women.

2.  I was wrong about Mark Ingram and the Heisman Trophy: When Ingram missed the first two games of Alabama’s season with a knee injury, I assumed that he was out of the Heisman Trophy race and would not repeat as the winner. I was wrong. I think Ingram is very much in the Heisman race after his 157-yard day against Arkansas. A lot of national media saw his incredible 54-yard touchdown run early in the game and how he was the most dominant player on the field in the fourth quarter when Alabama stormed back to win 24-20. Saturday he gets another national stage when No. 1 Alabama hosts No. 7 Florida.

3. Playoff PAC is out of line: Playoff PAC is a political action committee that is working towards eliminating the BCS and replacing it with some kind of playoff system. This is America and that is what political action committees are for: advocating and advancing a point of view through the political process. I have no problem with that. But the lawyers who work  (free of charge) for Playoff PAC have been sifting through the tax returns of the four BCS bowls looking for dirt. They think they’ve found some in the compensation packages for some of the bowl executive directors. Playoff PAC has filed a 27-page complaint to the IRS.

These guys want a playoff  and someday that might come to pass. It’s a good argument but they haven’t won it yet. So in order achieve your objective you’re going to sick the IRS on people who deem to be opponents? I’m for a four-team playoff but guys but this is over the line. It’s just a football game.

4.The ACC may be bad, but the Big East is worse: We’ve been beating up the ACC and its 1-9 record against non-conference BCS opponents in the first three weeks of the season. But the Big East is worse at 1-10 against the BCS and 6-13 against all Division I-A opponents. Pittsburgh, which was supposed to be one of the two best teams in that league just got mauled at home by Miami. West Virginia, the other top team, lost at LSU. The lowest ranked team to ever play in a BCS game was 8-3 Pittsburgh, which played and lost to Utah in the 2004 Fiesta Bowl. That team was ranked 21st in the final BCS Standings. The Big East champion of 2010 could be worse.

5. LSU may have the best defense in the SEC: I have to admit that I had my doubts about the LSU defense when it got torched for over 400 yards passing in its opener with North Carolina. But since then John Chavis has whipped his troops into shape. Chavis has moved from  working the game from the sidelines to up in the press box. I don’t know if that is a factor but here are the results going into Saturday’s home game with Tennessee: LSU is first in the SEC in total defense (254.0 ypg), first in rushing defense (74.8 ypg), and second in scoring defense (12.0 ypg). Alabama leads in scoring defense at 9.8 points per game. Chavis told Scott Rabalais of the Baton Rouge Morning Advocate that he has been emphasizing speed over size. “For some reason I can coach the ones who run faster,” Chavis said. That speed will come in handy next week when LSU goes to Florida.

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343 comments Add your comment

ga gator

September 29th, 2010
12:45 pm

Adjustments such as how to score more than 12 points. Look Saban is a good coach and might go down as one of the greatest ever, but what is his record against Florida? I believe it is 1-1 so until he gets it to 3-1 or maybe 4-1, I would hold off on his greatness.

Paul in RDU

September 29th, 2010
12:45 pm

Atlanta Gator – Good post on Rainey.

5IML

September 29th, 2010
12:46 pm

ga gator,

In the UT game, BAMA was up 9 with 3:30 to play. Saban was content with grinding out a victory and going home. Then the inexplicable happened:

1. Ingram lost a fumble for the first and only time in his career
2. UT, able to muster only 3 points up that point, scored in 2 minutes
3. UT recovered the onside kick and moved to the BAMA 27

Things just fell in place for UT. Fortunately, they hadn’t thought to fix the earlier problem with blocking.

G8R GRAD

September 29th, 2010
12:46 pm

Paul:

What part of, ” . . and I don’t think the girl at Virginia was either.”
did you not read?

producewiz

September 29th, 2010
12:46 pm

the bowls have been in college football for decades.The BCS has pretty well got it every year.when the lawyers come in,they really could destroy the system and bowls might tell college football they’ve had it.Then see where your at.Every college player likes to go any bowl because they get traveling cash and beautiful gifts,and usually in nice places to visit

G8R GRAD

September 29th, 2010
12:48 pm

AG:

You’re preaching to the choir.
Hang in.

"Da Real" Damon Evans

September 29th, 2010
12:50 pm

what you talkin about willis? as usual a bunch of low life underachieving people attempted to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

chris rainey’s family would have sued uf for not properly treating their son after he suffered a head trauma if meyer had not reinstated him. the guy has no history of such behavior until he suffered a head trauma.

those traffic cops were simply out of their league and it simply wasn’t in the state’s interest to spend tens of thousands of dollars on such a case.

ga gator

September 29th, 2010
12:52 pm

Bama dude at least we agree on the probable score Bama 27 UF 20.

Atlanta Gator

September 29th, 2010
12:54 pm

Silly comment, Joe. You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about and only want to score cheap rhetorical points against Meyer. Meyer has a philosophy of suspension, appropriate punishment, and second chances when earned, One of the players suspended by Meyer is now the starting quarterback at Auburn. Cam Newton may have earned the second chance, albeit at a different program. If Newton stays out of trouble and succeeds as a Tiger, I will be happy for him. Another player drop-kicked by Meyer was five-star recruit Jamar Hornsby, who later got a scholarship and a second chance from Houston Nutt, but screwed up before he played a down for Ole Miss. No sympathy.of Hornsby. Carlos Dunlap was arrested for DUI the week before the SEC Championship Game last December, and was immediately suspended to the detriment of the team’s on-field performance against Alabama. I can cite more examples, but Meyer does NOT bend the rules for his players or fail to exercise good discipline. Furthermore, Jeremy Foley wouldn’t let Meyer fail to discipline these kids if even if Meyer wanted to. Young men screw up; the measure of a coach and a program is what you do to discourage it and how you handle it when it happens.

MURPHY

September 29th, 2010
1:01 pm

Atlanta Gator,

Agree with your comments on Urban. Each coach has to handle each player issue in a different manner. Each kid and each screw up is different.Each situation has to be handled accordingly to insure that kid doesnt make the mistake again. Im not saying either way they are right or wrong,Im not invloved in it so I cant be accurate on what should be or not be done.

ga gator

September 29th, 2010
1:08 pm

Classy as usual Murph.

MURPHY

September 29th, 2010
1:10 pm

ga gator,

on your game score,i think a low scoring game. Im sorry but I say Bama 17-15. I think Bama losses in Columbia next week

GatorGuy

September 29th, 2010
1:12 pm

Shug

September 29th, 2010
11:30 am

Meyer knows the kid. I don’t.”

Yes, Meyer knows the kid. He knows he’s a good player who can help the Gators win. That’s all Meyer knows and cares about. UF is a rogue program with absolutely no ethical standards.

Your comment is ignorant. You have no idea what you are talking about. The truth is, you are sick of getting beaten down by the Gators. You have given up on being a better program or team so all you have left it to play the moral authority card.

Gators 17 Dawgs 3

September 29th, 2010
1:12 pm

joe

September 29th, 2010
12:42 pm
“Boneheart should also be helping Saint Richt with disciplining his team and leave Meyer alone.”

LOL! Florida has had more arrests than UGA the last 3 years, and that’s saying a lot. So it looks like Meyer has a bigger problem than Richt as disciplining his players. Richt has also kicked 4 players off. I don’t see Meyer doing the same.

Actually Joe you are wrong on everypoint, (while we agree1 arrest is too many) the fact is, Meyer has had less arrest at Florida in 5 plus years, while Georgia has had over 30 in just the past THREE YEARS. Also Joe, for your edifcation, Meyer has dismiss several more than 4. Just work on your facts next time.

Tide Rising

September 29th, 2010
1:13 pm

Gagator,

I’m with you on the Ben Jones cheapshot. That was one of the dirtiest, most dangerous- possible career ending injury, cowardly- attacking from behind with a running start cheapshots I’ve ever seen. I’m surprised this hasn’t warranted any press time or a 1 game suspension from Richt. That play could have given the MSU player a career ending knee injury. That one play tells me everything I need to know about Ben Jones.

BAMA dude

September 29th, 2010
1:15 pm

ga gator

September 29th, 2010
12:45 pm
Adjustments such as how to score more than 12 points. Look Saban is a good coach and might go down as one of the greatest ever, but what is his record against Florida? I believe it is 1-1 so until he gets it to 3-1 or maybe 4-1, I would hold off on his greatness.

Nah, I think being the only coach to win 3 SEC championships in the last decade along with his two BCS titles at different schools speaks for itself.

Utah Head Coach

September 29th, 2010
1:18 pm

What adjustments did Saban make against my team? Great coaches dont lose to Mountain West Teams.

Gators 17 Dawgs 3

September 29th, 2010
1:20 pm

GatorGuy

you nail it, but that’s what happen when your school become irrelevant in the SEC.

And this from Shug, “You have given up on being a better program or team so all you have left it to play the moral authority card.” That describes Richt and his team to a T.

Tide Rising

September 29th, 2010
1:23 pm

I was listening to chuck and chernoff on the radio yesterday and Chuck did have some interesting points on the bama fla game. He picked Fla. to win. Chuck’s no more of an expert than some of us but he did made the point that Fla. will play in a 5-2 defensive front, something that Bama has rarely if ever seen. The idea is to stop the running game first and places an emphasis on the Fla. D-line which is pretty good and also deep with some emerging future stars also like Powell and Floyd.

Should make for some interesting football to see how we handle a defensive front we don’t see a lot of. Likewise we also employ a boatload of offensive formations- everything from a no back, 5 wideout set to the pistol to the traditional I formation.

It’ll be one big chess match to be decided by a few key, big plays. I’m still giving us the edge by a small margin based on the crowd and a little more seasoned qb but a big play blocked punt or pick 6 can change everything. Gonna be a good one.

Nick Saban

September 29th, 2010
1:24 pm

Not only am I great, I am the smartest also. My first year at Bammer they paid me a million dollars per win.

MURPHY

September 29th, 2010
1:25 pm

BAMA dude,

I just got a chuckle from one of my Bama fans explaining why Florida wont beat them.Gator fan got on him for being redneck(imagine that?) and the Bama fan just put some Ric Flair on him!

Rather you like it,or dont like it.Learn to lve with it,cause its the best thing going today! Whooooooooooo!

Hope those gators are ready to walk that aisle on Saturday!

ga gator

September 29th, 2010
1:26 pm

Tide rising, of course I hope to win, but Bama will counter with something to get us out of the 5-2. In the end the better team (Bama) will win unless there are a lot of turnovers. Stranger things have happened though and that is why Vegas doesn’t win the game.

Tide Rising

September 29th, 2010
1:28 pm

“And this from Shug, “You have given up on being a better program or team so all you have left it to play the moral authority card.” That describes Richt and his team to a T.”

Gators 17 dawgs 3,

I’ve always liked and respected Richt. But in my view if he doesn’t discipline ben jones for the eggregious cheapshot he took on that MSU player than in my book he certainly will have lost a semblance of that “moral authority” that people assign to him. Having multitudes of players arrested for several years now doesn’t add to any moral authority either. He needs to give a huge dose of discipline to his team that is years overdue.

Bear's Ghost

September 29th, 2010
1:29 pm

Nick, how many millions per win is CMR getting?

Tide Rising

September 29th, 2010
1:33 pm

ga gator,

Agreed. Lots of different offensive and defensive sets and looks for both teams. There will be some real coaching going on in this game. If Florida wins I certainly wouldn’t put in in that category of strange things happening. I figure if you guys win it’ll be just because you have as good or better athletes and that your game planning was better. The real game would be the possible rematch on a neutral field since both team’s crucial youth spots will be shored up by that time.

ga gator

September 29th, 2010
1:37 pm

Tide rising I agree 100% with you. I’m leaving friday to head over to the Loosa to watch it. No matter who wins the rematch will be another war. One note of caution though, Chuck Oliver is an Auburn Grad so that should tell you something.

NIck Saban

September 29th, 2010
1:38 pm

More than you are Bear.

Tide Rising

September 29th, 2010
1:42 pm

ga gator,

I know Chuck somewhat on a personal basis so I am fully aware of him being an AU grad. We got that out in the open the first time our 2 girlfriends introduced us. He still does a good job of being impartial though and I’ve found that I like his radio show when I get a chance to listen to it.

ga gator

September 29th, 2010
1:44 pm

He is knowledgeable and like his show. Chernoff is a little annoying though.

Tide Rising

September 29th, 2010
1:55 pm

I find chernoff a little annoying also. I listened to him once say that Nick Saban was a liar and that in his opinion Saban was in talks with Bama over a deal long before he said he wouldn’t be the coach at Bama. Then Chernoff said he had no proof whatsoever of this but that he still thought Saban was a liar. What an idiot. You can’t just go around making unsubstantiated allegations and calling someone a liar without a shred of proof just because you think something was going on. The man lost all credibility with me at that point.

BAMA dude

September 29th, 2010
1:55 pm

Tide Rising, our offensive line is strong enough to go spread against that 5-2. Four DBs on the field against Jones, Maze, and Hanks is a recipe for disaster on Florids’s end. Plus you have to worry about our awesome screen game- I doubt any of the five are chasing down Mark Ingram from behind and the two LBs will get swallowed in that case. There’s a reason nobody runs that junk.

BG

September 29th, 2010
1:56 pm

Urban Meyer has always been soft on crime. Rainey will be back playing in the next game after bama. Those DA’s in Gainesville always get the charges dropped or reduced.

Gainesville DA

September 29th, 2010
1:59 pm

I learned how to do my job in Tuscaloosa.

Driving Ms Dooley

September 29th, 2010
2:00 pm

#3 is a load of crap. Suddently it’s just a football game???!! You used to say that its all about the money. These fat cats are keeping our sport from having a playoff system because they are getting richer and not even reporting the income??? Who’s side are you on? Who is buttering your bread Mr. College Football?? Report em. Get rid of them. I pay my taxes.

Give me a playoff system any day. Let’s see Boise State win three in a row against real competition.

Tony’s not a home. He’s a company man.

King Gator

September 29th, 2010
2:01 pm

Nothing to lose and everything to gain this week for the Gators! If we lose to #1 Bama at home … well that’s how it’s supposed to go; but if we somehow win it will be huge for the Gators! I only wish Will White was playing db this week. Go Gators!!

Tide Rising

September 29th, 2010
2:06 pm

Bamadude,

We did burn them pretty good last year with the screen, especially the 77 yarder by Ingram that broke the game open so I’m hoping we get a few good screens going. Keep in mind though that they have the best defensive backfield in the country. They lead the nation in ints with 12 already through only 4 games- an average of 3 per game which is kind of incredible.

Speaking of their dbs I just read that Ahmad Black is a sr and Janoris Jenkins is a jr. What? Seems like those guys have been there for 10 years and I can’t believe Jenkins is only a jr. Hopefully he’ll go pro after this year.Tired of seeing him.

Atlanta Gator

September 29th, 2010
2:07 pm

BG, speaking as someone who actually graduated from law school, I can say that it’s questionable whether a crime actually occurred, and if it did, it sure as heck did not rise to the level of a felony.

BTW, you are aware that most first-time misdemeanors are either pled out or dropped, right? Especially those committed by first-time, non-violkent offenders?

This case was handled entirely properly and proportionately by the prosecutor and judge. Rainey did not “get off easy.” The misdemeanor was the appropriate charge.

As for Meyer’s handling of it, he immediately suspended Rainey in the aftermath of the incident, and the young man sat out three games and has not been reinstated yet. If you were Meyer, what would you do? Please, do share your thoughts on the matter, beyond, that is, trying to express your outrage that the kid was hung from the nearest lamppost for making a verbal threat that he did not act on (and apparently also because he plays for a college team you do not support)?

Tide Rising

September 29th, 2010
2:09 pm

King gator,

Doesn’t really matter if you do lose. You’ll probably run the table the rest of the season regardless of this Saturday’s game as Carolina looks like the only really tough game and FSU is good but not great. So if you do lose a possible 2nd shot with a win against us in the seccg would put you into the title game assuming Ohio state loses somewhere along the line.

Atlanta Gator

September 29th, 2010
2:09 pm

Dang. I meant to type “hanged,” not “hung.” People are hanged by the neck until they are dead; pictures are hung. Well, some men may be hung, but now we’ve changed the subject.

DawginLex

September 29th, 2010
2:10 pm

i told all the gators on here that Meyer would do anything he could to get him back by the Bama game.

Tide Rising

September 29th, 2010
2:10 pm

King Gator,

Oops. Forgot you guys got LSU also which will be a tough one but I believe you at least get them at home.

David Granger

September 29th, 2010
2:14 pm

Palladin
re: Your 8:35

You certainly make some good points about “Zero Tolerance”…but one reason zero tolerance policies are so popular is that it takes a lot of personal judgment out of the equation. And personal judgments are often very biased and skewed. The circumstances under which athletes find themselves in trouble always seem to be a little more “extenuating” than others.

And I agree about Mark Ingram. I don’t want to see him win the Heisman again, just because I don’t believe anyone should win more than one. But he is certainly a worthy candidate.

Atlanta Gator

September 29th, 2010
2:19 pm

Tide Rising—–

Gotta run, but I wanted to wish you good luck in the game this weekend. Not sure if these young Gators are ready to climb the mountain this season, but I’m still hoping for the upset in Tuscaloosa. If you know your Alabama-Florida series history, you should know that James Van Fleet’s Gators cost Wallace Wade a Southern Conference championship in 1923 and Ray Graves’ Gators cost Bear Bryant and Joe Namath a national title in 1963. The Tide still leads the series, but the Gators have a history of playing tough against the Tide in Tuscaloosa.

= )

King Gator

September 29th, 2010
2:19 pm

True, but LSU has looked very bland and that game is in the Swamp. I’m more worried about S Carolina and not so much w/FSU. If the Gators make it back to the SEC Championship game this year will have been a huge success. Can’t wait for Saturday night. Go Gators!

Tide Rising

September 29th, 2010
2:25 pm

Atlanta Gator,

Great to see you back. I’m going to get on outta here myself.

So the gators kept us out of a southern conference title in 1923 and foiled Joe Namath from getting a national title in 1963. Now that’s just what I needed to get my hate on for the gators! Good luck Saturday night.

droopydawg

September 29th, 2010
2:32 pm

If the BCS is committing tax fraud, I just want them caught. I do not care what the motives of the people who discover the fraud are.

Ignorant fools

September 29th, 2010
2:33 pm

Joe-
FACT=Mark RIcht and UGA have had MANY more players arrested in the last 3 years than Meyer and UF have. In the last 5 years they’ve had more players arrested as well. Also Meyer has kicked many players off the team including CAM NEWTON. Ever hear of the guy?

BG-
Tell me ONE example where Urban Meyer has been soft on crime?

Ghostballer

September 29th, 2010
2:39 pm

The very fact that the ACC and Big Least are mentioned in the same sentence lets you know how pitiful the ACC is. What a joke of a conference.

Al Capone

September 29th, 2010
2:39 pm

Tony, you’re way off base with the PAC committee. College football is a multi-billion dollar business. It ceased being “just a football game” a long, long time ago. Get your head out of the sand my friend.
Don’t you know that evading taxes is how the feds finally got me?

The Sweater Vest

September 29th, 2010
2:43 pm

We aren’t losing and neither are TCU, Boise State, or the winner of Stanford v Oregon. Florida’s weak non-conference schedule could be their downfall this year just like it was for Auburn. The national perception is that this is a down year for the SEC so no bonus points there fellas.