First round of “playoffs” begins on Saturday

The first BCS Standings will be released two weeks from this Sunday. And right now it’s pretty clear that if they keep winning, Alabama and Ohio State are going to be 1-2.

But after that I’m not so sure. Will Boise State, the Cinderella, be No. 3?

And for all of you folks who want a playoff (and for the record, I want a four-team playoff),  just consider that a whole lot can happen between now and Oct. 17. Before the first BCS Standings are released:

No. 1 Alabama, which just escaped with a close win at Arkansas, will play No. 7 Florida (4-0) at home and No. 22 South Carolina (3-1) on the road.

No. 2 Ohio State will play No. 9 Wisconsin (4-0) on the road and at night.

No. 3 Boise State will play New Mexico State (0-3), Toledo (3-1), and San Jose State (1-3). The computers won’t like that.

No. 4 Oregon will play No. 13 Stanford (4-0) on Saturday  in a monster game.

No. 5 TCU willl play Colorado State (1-3), Wyoming (1-3), and BYU (1-3). Speaking of  BYU, the Cougars sure picked an interesting time in their football history to go independent.

No. 6 Nebraksa will play at Kansas State (4-0) and at home against No. 16 Texas (3-1).

No. 7 Florida will play at No. 1 Alabama (4-0) and at home against No. 10 LSU (4-0).

No. 8 Oklahoma will play No. 16 Texas in Dallas.

No. 9 Wisconsin will play at No. 21 Michigan State (4-0) and at home against No. 2 Ohio State (4-0).

No. 10 LSU will play Tennessee at home and at No. 7 Florida (4-0).

Given what you see on that schedule, how many upsets will there be and what will be the Top 5 in the first BCS Standings?

Here are mine:

1. Alabama

2. Ohio State

3. Oregon

4. Boise State

5. Nebraska

Your thoughts, please.

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408 comments Add your comment

Bama Fan #2

September 28th, 2010
7:09 am

Alabama played like a champion in the 4th quarter against the hogs but played like CRAP the
first 3 quarters. If Alabama plays Ohio St or Oregon it would be a miracle right now!! Forget
Boise St. and TCU they did not play anybody that matters like top 10. RTR

Dooley the Vol

September 28th, 2010
7:09 am

Oregon/ Stanford will be a big game, the Ducks are mighty powerful.

KidRay

September 28th, 2010
7:13 am

Bama v Ohio St

KidRay

September 28th, 2010
7:15 am

Top Conferences
SEC
P10
B10
nothing else even close to 4th place.

Special K

September 28th, 2010
7:30 am

BAMA vs ???????

You Ain't-Know Gaily Whacker

September 28th, 2010
7:44 am

The Reporter: Mr McGarity, what is this pop defense the defensive players talk about ?

One player said it in reference to ” Grand Pop-Vince Dooley, since the plays haven’t changed since he retired.

Another player said it was because of the ferocious tackles they make, which is it ?

Greg: Actually, it is neither. Here is what it is based on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpByXzdMQfk&feature=related

It’s the Soda Pop defense, in this case The Pepper.

We make a tackle on every second, fourth, and tenth play of their drives.

I have two more to explain, but first I have to check the drug test results, from Monday.

Go Dawgs

Bill Clintons lovers husband

September 28th, 2010
7:47 am

Bama all the way Gmac said they are going to have to kill us to beat us lol hes a fiery little guy Bama 31-20

jumbeauxtiger

September 28th, 2010
7:47 am

I agree Tony.

There’s alot of football left to play and I have a feeling there will be an upset among the top 5 this weekend or next weekend.

How about the SEC having 4 of the top 11 in the Coaches Poll with 4 SEC West teams in the top 15? That’s remarkable for one conference divsion but we know it won’t last once they start knocking each other off.

ga gator

September 28th, 2010
7:50 am

I thing our defence can keep it respectable into the 4th but Bama is the most physical college team I have seen in my 57 years. Bama 27 UF 20.

ga gator

September 28th, 2010
7:52 am

sorry meant to say defense; fingers dont work to well early.

TommyP

September 28th, 2010
7:53 am

Bama is clearly the best in the land. Ohio State has the easiest path (as always).

Beast from the East

September 28th, 2010
7:53 am

Tony,
Your top 5 looks about right unless my Gators can steal a win this weekend from Bama. Not too optimistic about it, but you never know. Then comes LSU down to the Swamp. UF could move up to #1 with wins over both or fall into obscurity with losses to both. Time to step it up, Gators!

gomdawg

September 28th, 2010
7:54 am

OK , DAWG FAN LET DO WHAT WE ARE ASKING OUR COACHES AND PLAYERS TO DO LETS PUT ALL THIS BAD BEHIND US PLAY FOOTBALL AND THINK . THIS IS THE 1 ST. DAY OF THE REST OF OUR SEASON . GO DAWGS

Wes

September 28th, 2010
8:00 am

Tony,

Even in quotes the term playoff isn’t appropriate. I don’t know of any playoffs where winning all your games still allows you to lose in the end

big dawg

September 28th, 2010
8:03 am

I still think that the Dawgs are in this thing. They can still win the East and get to Atlanta for a shot at Bama. Now that our ace receiver is back we will see some fireworks. Stranger things have happened. I have no doubts that we can run the table. Florida is definitely going down this year to the Dawgs.

Shug

September 28th, 2010
8:04 am

I didn’t notice Georgia in your Top 5. Was that an oversight?

travy

September 28th, 2010
8:05 am

i know you nat’l press guys establish your narratives for the season in week 1 and have stopped following the gators and think they still can’t snap the ball but they have improved every week and it’s becoming quite a story. i think we’re watching the next generation of great gators grow up in real time and though they may not make it through the season unscathed, the sec is in for a rude awakening if they think the gators’ time has passed.

baby gators get a new row of teeth this week. 34-24, g-men!

5IML

September 28th, 2010
8:07 am

Tony,

Thanks for moving on to something positive today. I mean that.

In Saturday night’s game, the home field should be huge. Florida has one of the youngest teams in FBS and will be affected just as BAMA’s defense was affected in Arkansas. Yes, Florida played at UT but that’s different because UT is horrible this year. BAMA builds an early lead. Florida calms down in the second half but falls short in its comeback. BAMA 27 UF 21

BAMA loses a game (probably USCe) but wins out and plays Oregon in BCSCG.

ga gator

September 28th, 2010
8:07 am

big dawg that is mighty big talk about your team. Lets compare, we sucked in the first game and have gotten better each week. Your team looked pretty good the first game and has gotten progressively worse until they finally QUIT last week. I understand hope, but you are delusional.

big dawg

September 28th, 2010
8:07 am

AJ Green needs to have his pay docked.

wesleywhatwhat

September 28th, 2010
8:07 am

none of this BCS talk matters. time for an actual playoff.

ga gator

September 28th, 2010
8:09 am

Tony if you read these comments, I have a question. Were there any other top programs in the country who shelved 2-a-days during training camp as Mark Richt did?

bob

September 28th, 2010
8:10 am

Nebraska vs Stanford

David

September 28th, 2010
8:10 am

Georgia cancels their series with Oregon originally set for 2015 and 2016. Why am I not surprised.

bob

September 28th, 2010
8:11 am

For real punishment, AJ Green should have to play for Tech and have Joshua throw to him.

Inside information

September 28th, 2010
8:11 am

Write this down, Ladies. South Carolina will upset Alabama in Columbia. Write it in ink.

ga gator

September 28th, 2010
8:12 am

bob, how about Nebraska against South Dakota State again.

big dawg

September 28th, 2010
8:17 am

Does anyone have any Ga and Tech tickets for sale. This game has become so inconsequential that I thought I might pick up 4 for 10$ apiece. Please answer and we will arrange a pickup point.Better take me up on this-You don’t have to eat the tickets.

just a fan

September 28th, 2010
8:17 am

Tony how is Oregon going to be ranked in the top 5 after Stanford wins Sat???????????????????

MARK IT DOWN!!!!!!!!

just a fan

September 28th, 2010
8:18 am

big dawg i am sure you probably get 4 for 10 it is tech we are talking about

Trey

September 28th, 2010
8:18 am

Shut up with this playoff crap. Playoffs are when a season is over. Not 1/3 the way into it. In order to reach the playoffs, you have to WIN GAMES. You stupid tradtionialst make up these lame words to keep things the way YOU like them. College football is a joke without a playoff and this year will implode with about 6 teams being worthy for a chance by seasons end. But you’ll still be spouting off your playoff nonsense. You are a joke to college football, a uga homer, and a joke to your job.

just a fan

September 28th, 2010
8:20 am

David, They cancelled it because the AD wants to have 7 home game’s and play a schedule more like Florduh’s with only one major out of conference game a year GT

SimpleDawg

September 28th, 2010
8:21 am

Bama’s win over an inspired Hog herd was impressive, and solidified their place at #1. The Gators look like the next victim for the repeat National Champs…..but there’s still a lot of football left to play.

Mallet found out that the insidious thing about SEC football is that you can be rolling along, feeling in control, and BAM…..all of a sudden, you lost. Arkansas has a good team and will win a lot of games this year.

Now you know why Steve Superior has a love / hate relationship with Stephen Garcia……you’re cruising along winning a crucial game, and in 15 minutes and 4 turnovers later, you’ve lost a game you had controlled. Yikes !

Auburn looks like a team no one would want to play in Auburn……let’s see what they do away from home. Cam Newton looks pretty good……I’ll bet Urban wishes that laptop thing had never happened.

The Longhorns will have a difficult time with Oklahoma this weekend. After their performance against UCLA, they’ll be lucky if they get out of Dallas alive, after having been run over by the Sooner Schooner. There will be plenty of brisket at the BBQ…..

Oh, and don’t go to sleep on the Huskers. As a parting gift for our soon-to-be former conference members, here’s a butt whipping to remember us by……

And what about Georgia ? What has happened to Dawgs ? An over-rated offensive line, smallish running backs running between the tackles, and a bunch of square pegs in round holes on defense….all lead by an unemotional, even keel coach. Football is an emotional game that must be played with emotion, where people yell and cuss so that people around them know when they’re upset. Aaron Murray is the only thing keeping this team from being completely unwatchable.

Oregon and Stanford will be a good test for both teams. The winner has the inside track to the PAC-10 championship.

The talent continues to be spread out around the country……

Yep, it’s gonna be a very interesting year……

big dawg

September 28th, 2010
8:21 am

The only reason i am interested in the Ga-GT tickets is that I want to see Sanford Stadium 50% filled and see Joshua pass for 300 yards in his last game as a College player.

big dawg

September 28th, 2010
8:25 am

Enter your comments here

runnwild

September 28th, 2010
8:27 am

hey inside information, is this the same USC team ya’ll said was going to kick auburn? I guess if you keep predicting a win, sooner or later you will be right. I wouldn’t bet my house on that prediction if I was you!

savjacket

September 28th, 2010
8:27 am

big dawg, you would be better off paying down that trailer than wasting your money on weed. Granted, that seems like some quality stuff you have. GA win the east for a shot at Bama? Wow. Check the dictionary under delusional.

3rdn8

September 28th, 2010
8:30 am

Sometimes a team struggles. Bama did in a big way against Arkansas: Two INTs to kill scoring drives. Numerous penalties. Blown assignments, misreads, and missed tackles on defense; also missing was a consistent pass rush. One thing the media has missed in their reporting: Bama didn’t substitute LBs, or DBs in the last 20 minutes of that game.

Any of these things can tip the scales against a team like Florida.

Florida is starting to gel in all phases of the game. Bama started to gel in the 4th quarter.

Should be an interesting day in Tuscaloosa.

dawgs stink

September 28th, 2010
8:31 am

collegeballfan

September 28th, 2010
8:36 am

What about the Dawgs and Jackets?

Palladin

September 28th, 2010
8:40 am

It is time for Coach Spurrier to resign. He still thinks that he’s coaching at Florida and has three QB’s on the bench who could start in the SEC. Had he left Garcia in the game, South Carolina MIGHT still be undefeated. When he got frustrated, he quit on his team. Now his team will feel free to quit on him when the going gets tough.

3rdn8

September 28th, 2010
8:43 am

The article on Coach Richt is pretty telling. Bama’s 2007 team had many of these same issues. I watched the Bama-FSU game that year sitting behind the Alabama bench. It was a sloppy game for both teams. There was no leadership on that Alabama team. Players sat in little cliches, laughing and horsing around while FSU handed them their heads.

That was Saban’s first season. Things have changed. They need to change at UGA for them to ever get out of this quagmire.

Karl Childers

September 28th, 2010
8:44 am

Tommy P – Ohio State will play six teams currently in the AP top 25, same as Alabama. How is that an “easier path?”

JP

September 28th, 2010
8:48 am

I am a Gator fan and think Bama beats us pretty easily Saturday. Florida will have to play clean football – no turnovers and few penalties to keep it close. I just think Bama will wear us out and win by at least 17.

collegeballfan

September 28th, 2010
8:50 am

dawgs stink at 8:31 AM

I read the article on the link you posted. It said nothing I have not known for 20 years. Of course UGA will never win a national championship, under Richt or any other coach.

Look at the record. In the past 30 years UGA has won one NC and five conference titles. That is it! Heck GT, one of the worst programs in the NCAA has won one NC.

UGA is an average run of the mill program, always has been and always will be.

But they put on a great show, Sanford is a great atmosphere and they will continue to fill the stands and make a profit.

But please, let’s put this “our program is of national championship caliber” nonsense to rest.

Mike

September 28th, 2010
8:53 am

If Oregon or Stanford runs the table, they will play undefeated Ohio State for the National Title.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
8:54 am

I really do hope that there are 5 undefeated teams at the end of the season.

3rdn8

September 28th, 2010
8:55 am

JP

I haven’t been able to watch Florida very much this year. I did catch some of the Miami (Ohio), UT, and UK games.

So far, Bama and Florida look very similar; neither look like a dominant team.

I think the team that plays best early will most likely prevail on Saturday.

BTW – where has Burton been all season?

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
8:55 am

“Auburn looks like a team no one would want to play in Auburn……let’s see what they do away from home. Cam Newton looks pretty good……I’ll bet Urban wishes that laptop thing had never happened.”

Yeah, Kentucky and Louisiana Monroe are really tough on the road.(sarcasm)

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
8:56 am

“So far, Bama and Florida look very similar; neither look like a dominant team.”

Uh…..Bama has played and beaten two ranked teams. Florida has played 0 ranked teams.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
8:59 am

The Tide SHOULD win this weekend. Without McElroy’s mistakes in the first half at Arky the game is tied or better at the half. The second half was a 17-3 whipping that would have turned the final score into something reaching blowout status without the mistakes. This ain’t Kentucky’s defense- I see UF struggling mightily on the offensive side, especially missing Demps. Look for Bama to win, somewhere around 27-20.

ga gator

September 28th, 2010
9:00 am

not patrick or whoever you are. You are correct Bama looks like a heavy weight contender. UF started off terrible but have gotten progressively better with a very young team, but not ready yet for Bama.

3rdn8

September 28th, 2010
9:00 am

Not Pat Sulley

Point taken, but PSU looked like anything but a ranked team, and have yet to play as one.

Arkansas is a different matter. I think they are pretty solid, and Bama’s win is big for the Tide.

That being said, Bama (my team btw) is a long way from being a world beater. So far, I think the coaching staff has done a remarkable job in bringing the defense along. But, they’ll have to be much improved to beat the Gators.

ga gator

September 28th, 2010
9:01 am

Bama dude, pretty good post. I predicted the same score at 7:50.

poopdawg

September 28th, 2010
9:05 am

ga gator not having 2 a days is not a reason for the Dawgs poor play. They practiced more days rather than having 2 a days. Same hours either way just spread out more.

Bama Slamma

September 28th, 2010
9:07 am

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
9:09 am

3rdn8

Penn State was a cupcake team for Bama. The Big Ten would argue differently but we SEC people know that the Big Ten is a light weight football conference. But still, Penn State was ranked 18th when Bama played them. Ohio State does play a few ranked teams as well but they are all in the Big Ten, except for the Miami game.

Yes, Arkansas is a very tough team and hung in well against Bama until the second half. Too many mistakes on their end.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
9:09 am

Bama Slamma

Harsh dude. I like your style.

5IML

September 28th, 2010
9:09 am

3rd,

Actually, BAMA does not have to play better to beat Florida. UF has no passing game–shaky QB and mediocre receivers–and subpar rushing attach (without Demps). Our defense (which gained confidence and improved greatly in the second half) should have a lot easier time than we did in Arkansas. With that said, if the players take the attitude that I have, we will struggle.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
9:10 am

ga gator

No worries, UF is rebuilding and for a team that is rebuilding, it’s great for them to be ranked high. Most teams who are in rebuilding mode don’t even rank.

Miles

September 28th, 2010
9:10 am

Roll Tide…

Football Fan

September 28th, 2010
9:12 am

Hey Tony, is there any word on whether or not Ben Jones will be suspended this Saturday? The Dawgs are gonna need him in Boulder.

Paul in RDU

September 28th, 2010
9:12 am

Tony’s top 5 look coorect right now, but there is a great deal of football to be played. Heck Utah and Southern Cal (both unbeaten) could be the best teams in the nation – not that either of them will be playing in the BCS Championship Game.

Dostoyevskiy

September 28th, 2010
9:13 am

Like to see UGa lose its next 2, then win the rest. UGa would not know whether to fire CMR or give him a contract extension. UGa fans would be running in circles as usual, just faster.

3rdn8

September 28th, 2010
9:18 am

51ML

The thing that bothered me the most against Arkansas was the substitute pattern. Starting mid-way in the 3rd quarter, Bama quit substituting on defense. They played with the same LBs, and DBs the rest of the game. Darius played on one leg. That tells me a lot. The coaches aren’t finding many play makers on defense. If Mallet doesn’t have two brain-farts, Arkansas wins.

I do think that the Alabama offense is much better than it looked, and will score more points against UF. I look for both teams to post five or more TDs next Saturday.

SadDawg (formerly WonderDawg)

September 28th, 2010
9:20 am

“Tony if you read these comments, I have a question. Were there any other top programs in the country who shelved 2-a-days during training camp as Mark Richt did?”
*************************************
ga gator, what does it matter if a “top program” shelved 2-a-days. Being that UGA is currently ranked 55th, I think it would be a more pertinent question if you asked it this way, “Tony, were there any other programs ranked in the lower 50 in the country who shelved 2-a-days?”

T3

September 28th, 2010
9:20 am

Once again we have to tolerate Barnhart’s shameless, baseless and unethical defense of the BCS (Bowl Cartel System).

Tony would like you to believe that the regular season
is THE playoff sytem. It aint. No more than it is for ANY college sport.

The REALLY damning part is what Tony WONT TELL YOU.

Just last week, PLAOFFPAC (www.playoffpac.com) took the legal steps to file a lawsuit in Federal Court alleging that the Orange Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, and Sugar Bowl ALL violated their strict Federal Non-Profit tax rules. PlayoffPac will win this suit as the evidence to tax cheating by these BCS bowls is overwhelming.

If PlayOffPAC wins this case, then that will be THE END of the Bowl system in its current “Cartel” format. As a result, it will all but force College Football into a national playoff system.

Here’s a snippet from the AP story:

Playoff PAC, a political action committee that wants the bowls replaced with a…championship playoff system…,plans to file a complaint with the Internal Revenue Service on Thursday against the operators of the Fiesta, Sugar and Orange Bowls, three of the five games that constitute the Bowl Championship Series (the others are the Rose Bowl and the BCS title game).

PlayoffPac has clearly outlined the way Bowls can continue to play an important part of collge football without all the BCS crap.

What Tony also wont tell you is that a study was done 3 years ago by a combined panel from the Pac10 and the Big12 that PROVED beyond any doubt that a playoff system would bring in almost 3 times MORE MONEY than the BCS.

Tony’s defense of the BCS continues to make him sound like a founding member of the “Flat Earth” Society.

Gator Mike

September 28th, 2010
9:21 am

The month of October should be interesting and fun to watch for all SEC Teams. The GATORS are young and improving, but BAMA is more experienced. As long as the GATORS continue to improve each week, they have a chance to reach Atlanta even if they loose to BAMA on Saturday provided they do not implode.
A lot of teams are still in the SEC Hunt!

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
9:22 am

“reach Atlanta even if they loose ”

How does one “loose” something?

WDE

September 28th, 2010
9:23 am

Where do you think Auburn ends up in the next 2 weeks? They have a couple of what seem to be gimmes (ULM & UK), so with all the turnover in the top 10 due to matchups, will they crack the top-7 just by taking care of business?

3rdn8

September 28th, 2010
9:25 am

WDE

If AU beats ULM, and UK (and they should), I think they’ll be in the top 5. Several of these Top 10 teams will lose in the next two weeks.

Palladin

September 28th, 2010
9:28 am

Brilliant!!!

Just have Coach Richt reinstate two-a-days next year and you’ll win the National Championship.

Problem solved…

SadDawg (formerly WonderDawg)

September 28th, 2010
9:31 am

Great, shysters getting involved in football. That ought to make it better. Jeez . . .

T3

September 28th, 2010
9:32 am

http://playoffpac.com/news/Read.aspx?ID=287

Bye Bye BCS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Palladin

September 28th, 2010
9:33 am

@WDE

“Where do you think Auburn ends up in the next 2 weeks?”

I’d say that all depends upon the outcome of those two games. There is no “grand conspiracy” in the CFB polls. Win and you will ascend in the polls — lose and you can complain that the BCS is “unfair”.

5IML

September 28th, 2010
9:35 am

3rd,

It appears some of the substitutes just weren’t up to the task (first big road game in the SEC). That’s understandable when you consider the number of guys getting significant playing time for the first tiem this year. There’s not explanation for McElroy’s mistakes but hey. After the game, Dre admitted that he scared to death in the first half. Florida, one of FBS’s youngest teams, will be in that position on Saturday. On a neutral field, I think we’re the better team. At BDS, there should be no question.

Palladin

September 28th, 2010
9:35 am

Old School

September 28th, 2010
9:37 am

Texas rebounds and surprises an up and down OU.

Jim Mora, Sr.

September 28th, 2010
9:39 am

“Playoffs?!”

“You wanna talk about playoffs?!”

“Are you kidding me?!”

“Playoffs?!”

3rdn8

September 28th, 2010
9:42 am

51ML

I think you’re right, and hope you’re right, but I’m already nervous.

Looking over the past two seasons, Bama and UF have only played one really bad (losing) game each: UF vs Ole Miss in 2008, and Bama vs Utah that same year.

Both coaching staffs seem to get their teams ready to play regardless of the circumstances. I look for UF to be ready to face the gentle people in BDS, and to give Bama a game for sixty minutes.

LLoyd Christmas

September 28th, 2010
9:42 am

Big Dawg – there is a fine line between reality and fantasy. You have crossed over.

chilidawg

September 28th, 2010
9:43 am

What, no “UGA sneaks in the back door of the SECCG scenario” this week?

Richard

September 28th, 2010
9:44 am

It doesn’t matter at this point. Only ranking that matters will be at the end of the year. The better question Tony is why haven’t the votors that have said they wont rank Boise State higher than #3 been permenantly banned from voting?

Palladin

September 28th, 2010
9:49 am

@5IML

I don’t claim to know what Coach Saban was thinking, but leaving the defensive starters (even an injured Marcell Dareus) in the game accomplished two things. First, it built confidence in his players that they could persevere in adverse circumstances. Second, it demoralized the Arkansas offense. Don’t assume that Arky’s offense failed to notice that Alabama stopped subbing their defensive players. That was the final nail in the coffin of second half domination of the Razorbacks offense. Putting Mark Ingram in the Wildcat formation on every play and running the ball right down their throats accomplished the same thing for the Razorbacks defense.

3rdn8

September 28th, 2010
9:49 am

No one seems to be talking about LSU. Miles may be dumb (he only makes about $4.8 mil per year more than me), but LSU keeps winning. I think they may be the “decider” team in the SEC West this year. I can see them taking either AU, or Bama out of the hunt before the season is over.

Palladin

September 28th, 2010
9:54 am

@3rdn8

I agree regarding LSU. Even without a functional quarterback, one should never underestimate the luck of The Hat. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Bengals pull off a stunning upset — I just hope it doesn’t happen when they play Bama. ;-)

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
9:54 am

“No one seems to be talking about LSU.”

Sure they are.

“I can see them taking either AU, or Bama out of the hunt before the season is over.”

Auburn/LSU game will be great this year. The two teams seem to be about even except for qb’s.

Old School

September 28th, 2010
9:55 am

3rdn8

I agree 100% about LSU. Seems their offense has at least found a RB and their D is playing lights out. If there is a better defensive player than Peterson I have not seen him.

wheelz007

September 28th, 2010
9:56 am

Florida will lose back-to-back games vs Alabama and LSU.

Crimson Truth

September 28th, 2010
9:57 am

I think the Bama coaching staff learned a lot about the defense in the Arkansas game. They came out playing a lot of zone to protect the youngsters, but once they decided to apply more pressure and let them play more man, Mallet crumbled. Brantley has a lot of potential, but the Bama defense is just starting to gell. Tide 34-13.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
9:57 am

“If there is a better defensive player than Peterson I have not seen him.”

Auburn has a couple of guys who’ve made SEC defensive players of the week.

3rdn8

September 28th, 2010
9:57 am

Palladin

Night game, Baton Rouge, bad mix.

Bama’s edge is that LSU doesn’t have a passing game. Hope it stays that way.

And I agree – LSU will upset someone this year.

3rdn8

September 28th, 2010
9:59 am

Not Pat Sulley

Peterson is a great player, but Josh Bynes is no slouch. If there is someone playing better at LB, I’d like to see him.

Palladin

September 28th, 2010
9:59 am

@Not Pat Sulley

From what I’ve see so far, quarterback is the ONLY advantage that Auburn has over LSU. That said, if he remains healthy, that might be the only advantage that Auburn needs.

wheelz007

September 28th, 2010
10:00 am

Alabama and LSU will BOTH be undefeated (an ugly undefeated for LSU) when they meet in Tiger Stadium on Nov 6th.

Joe Bob Thibodaux

September 28th, 2010
10:03 am

Tony, did you forget, LSU plays No. 1 Alabama? That is a far cry from what you reported: that LSU will play Tennessee.

5IML

September 28th, 2010
10:05 am

@Pallain and 3rd,

Regarding BAMA’s second substitution pattern, we must realize that each of our players has certain strengths. For example, Upshaw is a premium pass rusher. I think the coaching staff found a formula (scheme + players) that worked and decided to stick with it.

3rdn8

September 28th, 2010
10:06 am

Joe Bob Thibodaux

I think Barnhart’s article was addressing how the BCS standings would shake out over the next two weeks.

Iknow how2fish

September 28th, 2010
10:09 am

Wonder if CSS is happy he abandoned the run and then changed QB….

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
10:10 am

“From what I’ve see so far, quarterback is the ONLY advantage that Auburn has over LSU. ”

Auburn has a few weapons other than Newton. Fortunately they are all freshmen and will be around a few years.

If you look at Florida, Tim Tebow was their biggest weapon.

Palladin

September 28th, 2010
10:10 am

@Not Pat Sulley

“Auburn has a couple of guys who’ve made SEC defensive players of the week.”

True enough. Auburn has some very talented players. What Auburn has lacked this season is consistency. They have made some absolutely incredible big plays on both offense and defense, but these outstanding performances have typically been sandwiched between some very sloppy, mistake-prone play. Auburn is still a work in progress, but the bottom line is that they have been winning. You can’t take that away from them.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
10:12 am

Palladin

Understood. My rebuttal would be that Auburn has a lot of freshmen playing on offense right now. I have to give props to Gene Chizek for turning things around in a short time.

3rdn8

September 28th, 2010
10:12 am

5IML

I reached the same conclusion. Did you notice that Upshaw and Hightower both played “down” at DE virtually all of the 4th QTR? Nico Johnson, and Chris Jordan were the LBs. No Mosely, or Jerrel Harris on the field. That mix created a decent pass rush. Nick Gentry played a good game as well.

IF Darius has two legs this week, UF could have problems.

Palladin

September 28th, 2010
10:12 am

No argument there.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
10:14 am

Palladin

The future looks bright for Auburn football and Chizek is doing a great job at recruiting. I was very skeptical when Auburn brought him on board but he’s really made me change my mind about him. Had Auburn had a good defense last year, they’d have only lost two games in the regular season and gone onto a bigger bowl game.

Karl Childers

September 28th, 2010
10:16 am

Not Pat Sulley – 2010 Outback Bowl: Auburn 38 – Northwestern 35 in overtime. 2010 Capital One Bowl: Penn State 19 – LSU 17. As I recall, the “light weights” did just fine against the so-called heavyweights.

Truth

September 28th, 2010
10:17 am

Chile Pleeze… Auburn will ALWAYS be the red-headed step-child of Alabama football!

murfdawg

September 28th, 2010
10:17 am

to collegeballfan:
I guess when UGA finished #2 in the country in2007 that was average run of the mill. Unless you are a LSU fan, then the rest of college football that year was really bad. Here’s some sage advice when blogging; Always avoid always and never say never.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
10:18 am

“As I recall, the “light weights” did just fine against the so-called heavyweights.”

That was last year. Auburn beat the team that beat Iowa.

“Auburn will ALWAYS be the red-headed step-child of Alabama football!”

Gotta love the inbreds.

ga gator

September 28th, 2010
10:18 am

poopdawg you are not correct on this one. 99% of players stay in shape year round because they work out under the scrutiny of the Strength and Conditioning Coach 12 months. 2 a days are for building toughness. This is not intended to insult your program, but have you seen physical toughness this year? They couldn’t stop Arkansas when they had to, SC ran it down their throat and well MS State……….. Sorry, if you ever went through 2 a days you would know what it was about and trust me it was torture; just like Basic Training.

Snoop

September 28th, 2010
10:19 am

Richt thinks that, by not answering tough questions, the problems will go away. What you and your players need is another frolick in the swimming pool.

5IML

September 28th, 2010
10:20 am

Not Pat,

Things are certainly looking up for Auburn but I’m not so sure that you guys have completely turned the corner yet. The inconsistent play is gonna catch up to you eventually but that’s not the issue. The issue is how will Auburn respond to adversity (actually losing, not just trailing). Last year, partly due to depth issues, you guys tanked. Cam appears to be a leader so, that may not be as much of a concern this year.

Palladin

September 28th, 2010
10:21 am

Not Pat Sulley

Do you believe that Gene Chizik really buys into Gus Malzahn’s offensive strategy as a long-term identity for Auburn’s offense, or do you think that he simply believes that it gives him a short-term advantage while he re-stocks the roster?

I get the impression that Chizik is an old-school, power running game adherent at heart.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
10:22 am

5IML

That can be said of any program on the rebound. Tubberville left Auburn in shambles and Chizek has come in to try and clean up the mess. I’m not saying this team is a national championship team but I am saying that this team has heart and can come back from a steep deficit.

Gen Neyland

September 28th, 2010
10:22 am

The only sure thing I’ve got is last weeks final scores. Not a big Pac watcher but if Sanford can slow down the Ducks hurry up waddle, Sanford wins. Remember before the season began, 93% of people here said no team in the SEC would finish the year undefeated. After seeing Alabama beat Arkansas (for example) at The Sty, still feel that way..?

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
10:23 am

“Do you believe that Gene Chizik really buys into Gus Malzahn’s offensive strategy as a long-term identity for Auburn’s offense, or do you think that he simply believes that it gives him a short-term advantage while he re-stocks the roster?”

Malzahn will leave in a year or so to go coach elsewhere. I think Chizek is using this as a stepping stool for recruiting etc..

“I get the impression that Chizik is an old-school, power running game adherent at heart.”

Well, they don’t call Auburn, Running Back U for nothing.

3rdn8

September 28th, 2010
10:25 am

I always get a chuckle when people compare football and the military. I’ve been through two-a-days playing football, and boot camp. No contest. Two-a-days only lasted a couple of weeks, and there was rest and relaxation in between sets. Boot camp is a six week marathon of physical and mental challenges….not to mention a whopping two hours of sleep per night.

The toughest sport on the planet: Infantry.

Palladin

September 28th, 2010
10:26 am

Not Pat Sulley

So then, we agree. What does that mean for recruiting offensive talent? Will Auburn be looking at yet another “transition period” when Malzahn leaves?

Charlie Bama

September 28th, 2010
10:27 am

Tony — Absent from your analysis were any games involving Auburn. Considering the nature & structure of your analysis (tough games for the customary ‘Top Shelf’ teams), is the absence of Auburn a commentary in itself? Do they fall short on tough games ahead or just under the Top Shelf programs? Just askin’…..

ratherBgambling

September 28th, 2010
10:27 am

Ohio State
Florida
Oregon
Nebraska
Boise St.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
10:28 am

“What does that mean for recruiting offensive talent? ”

It means, he can use what he’s done at Auburn to help recruit 4 and 5 star players like Cam, Dyer, Adams etc to get great talent.

“Will Auburn be looking at yet another “transition period” when Malzahn leaves?”

Dude, I’m not a palm reader. I can’t see the future.

5150 P.O.A.D

September 28th, 2010
10:28 am

If the team I cheer for wins 8 or more games they are Champs to me. Who cares about the Beauty Padgent called the BCS. Win 8 play in the conference Championship and win and then go to a nice city for a Bowl game then the team is a winner and I am happy.

Scott

September 28th, 2010
10:29 am

The thing I can’t understand is how the coaches kept voting for Oregon when they were playing AA teams?! They berely made it past Arizona State! I think they’ll lose a couple of times in conference play. There are a lot of teams that aren’t deserving of their ranking and I’m not talking about BSU. They are the one team that has played the toughest schedule to date, so it’s kind of funny how they are still at number 3. BSU should have moved up in week one while everyone else was playing AA teams, but when BSU drops after beating NMST 55-0 this coming week then it will further prove the system is a sham. Also a 4 team playoff won’t work. They don’t need to take a month off before playing a bowl game. An 8 team playoff would finish up around the same time as they do now.

Palladin

September 28th, 2010
10:29 am

@ratherBgambling

I’d recommend Blackjack.

Master of Analysis

September 28th, 2010
10:30 am

Can UGA beat Colorado? I don’t know.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
10:30 am

Charlie Bama

I think he’s just in denial about UGA. I asked Jeff Shultz a similar question and responded “Who’s Auburn?”

Sucks to be a dawg fan.

Palladin

September 28th, 2010
10:32 am

@Scott

“…BSU. They are the one team that has played the toughest schedule to date…”

That right there’s funny — I don’t care WHO you are! :-)

Charlie Bama

September 28th, 2010
10:32 am

Not Pat Sulley. Funny. Dawgs will be back. But when? And how? those are the questions. Take it from a long-time Bama fan, don’t let the prgram wander in the wilderness too long.

NoGaGator

September 28th, 2010
10:34 am

I think UF’s youth, Demps’ injury and playing at BDS may be too much to overcome this weekend. UF’s D should keep the game competitive. UF should be favored in the rest of their games and if they continue to progress, I like their chances in a rematch with Bama in Atl.

skram30082

September 28th, 2010
10:35 am

Now for something completely different…

I can’t wait for Tennessee to improve. It’s no fun hating them when they suck so bad!

Charlie Bama

September 28th, 2010
10:35 am

NoGaGator — I agree. Gators will have a better shot in the repeat in ATL, half-crow, all that. I think both teams will come to ATL with one loss each.

Charlie Bama

September 28th, 2010
10:37 am

I heard Tennessee’s golf team will be ranked Top 10 preseason this year. That Mike Hamilton is a turbo, isn’t he!

ga gator

September 28th, 2010
10:38 am

Charlie Bama, I think you run the table in Atl, we run the table after losing by 7-10 Saturday and the rematch will be a humdinger.

Father of 5

September 28th, 2010
10:38 am

It is NOT the PLAYOFFS. The losers this Saturday still have a shot at the title if the biased voters in December think they are pretty enough. Like ice skating, it depends on how the French judge will vote — and she can be bought. C’mon, Tony — you should be better than this.

Charlie Bama

September 28th, 2010
10:39 am

ga gator — Maybe, but Bama can slip up (dodged a bullet with TN and Aubie last year). But this weekend? I predict, Bama-24, Gators 17

3rdn8

September 28th, 2010
10:39 am

Father of 5

the “French judge”….now that’s funny…thanks

Truth

September 28th, 2010
10:40 am

Not Pat Sulley… Typical AU fan with all sorts of hopes and dreams.

3rdn8

September 28th, 2010
10:42 am

@ Truth

I can remember, just a few short years ago, when all that Bama fans (including me) had were “hopes and dreams”. Can’t fault the AU crowd for that.

jfounta1

September 28th, 2010
10:45 am

Alabama will roll Florida and then have a tough game in South Carolina but the bama will prevail. The defense will be better than last years. the Defensive back have prime-time type potential. we have the best rb duo in the nation. Florida is rebuilding while at bama we are retooling, big difference. ROLL TIDE

3rdn8

September 28th, 2010
10:47 am

jfounta1

trudging through life with an uncluttered mind, is a true blessing.

Palladin

September 28th, 2010
10:47 am

@Father of 5

What makes you think that you have the spare time available to worry about CFB? :-)

ga gator

September 28th, 2010
10:47 am

I said 27-20 so the spread is the same. Difference is Brantley has not faced a pass rush like yours. The interesting matchup will be your running game against our front 7; not for women and small children. Should be physical and nasty. If we cant play better run D than Ark did Saturday it could be a blowout.

Palladin

September 28th, 2010
10:50 am

@ga gator

As a Bama fan, I have yet to be impressed by our pass rush. I can only hope that they have been sandbagging in anticipation of this weekend’s game.

Charlie Bama

September 28th, 2010
10:50 am

The added dimension of playing in front of 101,000 Bama fans will make a difference. Fans their can often ‘will’ the Tide to win through crowd karma (as was the case against Tenn last year).

WashingtonDCduck

September 28th, 2010
10:54 am

**** TO SCOTT***

How did OREGON barely get by Arizona State? We threw 42 points on them, and they got a junk score late that made it close. Scott boy, this game started at 10:30pm EST (yes, with hundreds other rabid Oregon fans we were there watching live even with halftime at midnight) so you probably just read a box score, saw some states and made a presumption. And to your comment that we are playing D1AA teams, your wrong. We played (singular) one team- Portland State, and why? Because Central Michigan backed out 12 months ago and decided they didn’t want to get waxed. YES, Central Michigan is not a powerhouse, but they are D1. Don’t give us sh$# about scheduling Scotty. When we threw Tennessee on the schedule 5-7 years ago they were contending for SEC championships. Georgia, geez man, they backed out of the deal and their AD called our AD 1,000 times and we finally agreed to mutually back out. We open next year with LSU in Dallas. Don’t talk to me about scheduling.

*** Stanford plays a brand of football that I think you boys down in SEC country would really like. They play a brand of football, that we don’t care who you are we will shove this football right up the gut of your defense and we’ll come all game long for four quarters. Yes, those brainiacs from Stanford, some future CEOs/CFOs play a nasty brand of football and Andrew Luck runs a deadly play action fake off of it. Their offensive line are some real hogs, and their defense has improved over last year. As a diehard Oregon alum/fan, this game really has me shaking in my boots.

***Tony, to your point. After this weekend we’ll see it this way through my Kool-Aid Oregon tinted drinking glasses:

(1) Alabama. Give them credit, they play this year the toughest schedule in the country, and they’ve passed all their tests. Power running game and a young but improving defense that makes plays, serious ball hawks. Give them 3pts every game just for having Saban on the sidelines.
(2) Ohio State. Have not played anyone of significance yet, but they are continuing off the Rose Bowl momentum. Pryor has looked much better, and has he gotten faster? Maybe it’s the inferior competition. Buckeyes will be tested on the road in a few weeks. They are the nation’s #2 though as of now.
(3) Oregon. They’ll take care of Stanford, and show why they may have the nation’s best (hold your breath ‘Bama faithful) offensive backfield in James and Barner slicing through defenses. Watch their defense this weekend, pay attention to the physical brand they play with and the overall defensive speed. Ask Tennessee about it.

3rdn8

September 28th, 2010
10:54 am

for Bama fans.

Ever wonder why McElwain doesn’t consider an NFL (1970s type) pro-set offense in some situations? Seems like having Ingram and Richardson both in the game, and split behind the QB would create all sorts of opportunities.

jfounta1

September 28th, 2010
10:56 am

@palladin
you will see why kirby smart is the best defensive coordinator in the country. Bama defense just beat the best offense they will face, brantley has never seen the blitz packages that he will, and the bama db’s will shutdown the subpar UF receiver.

tsmonk

September 28th, 2010
10:56 am

Anyone who thinks playoffs are such a wonderful thing, let me just ask – how many regular season NCAA basketball games do you watch? I would bet that the average fan watches far more March Madness games than the 3-4 months preceeding. Saturday in September/October is an event. The games mean a lot.

Not that I’m necessarily opposed to a CFB playoffs, it’s just that if you think it’s going to mean that middle-rung programs (e.g. NC State, Purdue, etc) find themselves on top because we have this magical egalitarian system, then you’re kidding yourselves. I have to pry myself from the TV screen to quit switching between games; in the 12-team-playoff NFL, I work on the yard and head to the gym. What’s my reason for watching now?

The system may be flawed, but the CFB product is the best there is.

ga gator

September 28th, 2010
10:56 am

Palladin I hope you are correct but I suspect Saban has been sandbagging. Meyer has done great things for UF but I must admit, if I were playing again I like Saban’s old school approach. I guarantee you that if the kids at UF knew they had to sit down and explain there behavior for off field problems to Saban, 90% of them would have behaved differently.

Charlie Bama

September 28th, 2010
10:57 am

3rdn8 — Had the same thought, but I suppose they’re not going to open the Kimono until have to….

DawginLex

September 28th, 2010
10:57 am

If stanford beats Oregon, they are my pick to win the national title.

Harbaugh is coaching those smart boys up in a big way.

just proves it can be done the right way.

Truth

September 28th, 2010
10:58 am

A few years ago with Bama it was sad… As much as I liked Shula, especially being a Bama guy, we all knew he wasn’t going to take the program anywhere. Alabama is a supreme job and Shula was not a supreme coach. I had the attitude of “It is what it is”. AU fans always seem to think they are inches away from royalty. I remember going to the GT AU game in Auburn in 2005 and all day I tailgated listening to their garbage. Auburn was good back then, but the way they went about it showed a lot. I just loved their heads hanging in defeat as we all left the statium that night….

In all honesty, AU is pretty good and will win some good games, but in the end, they will never be Alabama.

3rdn8

September 28th, 2010
10:58 am

WashingtonDCduck

Your points are all well taken. I’m not sure there is (finger and thumb close together) that much difference on the conferences. I think Oregon, and Stanford stays on the field with anyone.

Should make for an interesting bowl season.

3rdn8

September 28th, 2010
11:00 am

Charlie Bama

I once paid good money to peak beneath the kimono.

Charlie Bama

September 28th, 2010
11:01 am

A sash better left Tide (if you know what I mean and I think you do)

3rdn8

September 28th, 2010
11:05 am

WashingtonDCduck

as you probably know, we in the south get slammed all of the time by our perceived lack of education.

I enjoyed your comment about all of the CEOs coming out of Stanford. However, the last article I read re: Fortune 500 CEOs had Texas A&M leading the pack, and good “ole Auburn” a close second.

Somehow we manage to bumble through.

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
11:10 am

The Lee County Kittens don’t have a single player in the secondary that’s fit to be a pimple on Patrick Peterson’s butt. LSU has its issues, but that man might be the best athlete in the country not named Trent Richardson.

3rdn8

September 28th, 2010
11:10 am

“A sash better left Tide (if you know what I mean and I think you do)”

second funny of the day….thanks

and you’re right

WashingtonDCduck

September 28th, 2010
11:22 am

**TO 3rdn8**

Well, I didn’t mean to take a shot at anyone with the Stanford comment. If anything it was a slight poke at the Cardinal because they probably have the stingiest academic requirements in all of D1 major football and it’s remarkable what they do on the field and off. Coupled with their casual, tailgate wine and cheese crowd, and apathetic fan base, I just don’t like them that much. I find their coach smug and arrogant. Whatever, it’s what makes for good rivalries and who doesn’t like a heated matchup. Problem though, is Chip Kelly our coach at Oregon is good buddies with Harbough. To your point, the “down south they are teaching SEC guys to read in 300 level courses” is uninformed and without basis. Heck if we want to run with stereotypes, I’m an Oregon guy, so I guess I should be wearing tie-dye and hippie sandals, and eating hemp while sitting in a tree protesting. Truth be though, all you have to do is head on down to the Bay Area and over to the east bay where CAL resides. Talk about hippies, wow. They have seriously hurt that football program, no joke.

Wally Butts' Designated Stumbler

September 28th, 2010
11:34 am

So, is Ben Jones going to be benched (by Richt?, by the SEC?) for a game or two after this stunt?…..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reVnna38sPI

What a sorry POS.

TrishaDishaWarEagle

September 28th, 2010
11:39 am

With so many matchups between teams separating us and the top 5, I see very easily how we could be #5 when the BCS rankings come out, with them knocking each other out and with louisiana-monroe and kentucky ahead of us to be 6-0 when we have that rat b*st*rd Petrino come to the plains!

WAR EAGLE

TrishaDishaWarEagle

September 28th, 2010
11:40 am

@Truth, AU has had 2 undefeated seasons in the past 20 years, how many has UGA had?

Awww..too soon?

TrishaDishaWarEagle

September 28th, 2010
11:41 am

@Truth..true we will never be Alabama..

We breath thru our noses on the plains.

3rdn8

September 28th, 2010
11:46 am

WashingtonDCduck

no clarification needed. I just felt the need to submit a brief PR comment in behalf of my beleaguered brethren in the south.

I would love to see Bama and Oregon square off…think it would be one of the most entertaining games in years. Not sure Bama has seen that much offensive speed in a while.

simplythetruth

September 28th, 2010
11:48 am

How about it Tony, what’s your take on the Ben Jones clipping penalty? In light of all the controversy surrounding Coach Richt’s tenure, do you feel that Jones should be suspended? Would that send a message to the other players that they’d better stay focused?

5IML

September 28th, 2010
11:48 am

@Trisha,

Yes, you guys are the creme de la creme of modern society. BTW, nice jorts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_l2ny2dJd18

TrishaDishaWarEagle

September 28th, 2010
11:48 am

I can proudly say AU defeated the walking NCAA violation that was(is?) Bama, all 4 years I was at AU.

WAR EAGLE

LB

September 28th, 2010
11:52 am

UGA beats CO, TN, Vandy, Idaho State & GT. Loses to KY, UF & AU to finish 6-6. No Bowl. Recruiting takes a tumble and we are back in the R GooF years. And Yes — I am a season ticket holding die hard Dawg fan but reality is reality.

5IML

September 28th, 2010
11:55 am

We beat Auburn three out of the fours years (1990-1994) I was at BAMA. But we also won a national championship. I guess that’s a pretty good consolation prize for dropping a game to Aub.

3rdn8

September 28th, 2010
11:56 am

We beat AU all nine years I was at Bama. Being a freshman was the happiest five years of my life.

Mike Smith

September 28th, 2010
12:01 pm

That is not a playoff, Tony. That’s like saying the Falcons just played a playoff game because the Saints are good. The BCS doesn’t need to be fed with any more lame excuses for not having a legit championship.

KingGator

September 28th, 2010
12:03 pm

Gators lose to Bama this wknd., run the table setting up a rematch in Atlanta vs. Bama!! Let’s just say, it’s tough to beat the same team twice in a given yr.
Gators vs. Ohio State in National Title game!!
Go Gators!!

TrishaDishaWarEagle

September 28th, 2010
12:06 pm

@mike smith…I HOPE Boise state gets into the BCS championship game this year. If they play Florida or Alabama(yeck) or possibly even AU depending on the Iron Bowl, the ensuing massacre might be embarrassing enough to junk the BCS or at least the at-large berths.

If they play Ohio state, it will probably be a 34-31 OT game and perpetuate the problem.

5IML

September 28th, 2010
12:07 pm

KingGator,

That’s more of saying than a reality. BAMA beat UF twice for the SECC back in 99. Aub beat UT twice in 04. I’m sure it’s happened a few other times. The better team wins. It’s not tit-for-tat.

3rdn8

September 28th, 2010
12:10 pm

the SEC is a crapshoot this year. I’ve yet to see a dominant team.

OSU looks to be the team in the Big 10, and I think Oregon runs the table in the west. Outside of Nebraska, I don’t think the Big 12 is as strong as in recent years.

If you assume an undefeated, or one loss SEC team makes the NC game…then how would you pick between OSU and Oregon?

It’s a lousy system, but it’s the only one we have.

TrishaDishaWarEagle

September 28th, 2010
12:10 pm

@5IML the Tigers went undefeated one year you were at Alabama..

We go Undefeated twice in my lifetime so far, and no crowned national championship..and we don’t play in the WAC! Meanwhile every UGA fan keeps living off the glory of a 30 year old championship with a defeat in the season.

No respect

404

September 28th, 2010
12:16 pm

Ben Jones = SCUM

3rdn8

September 28th, 2010
12:16 pm

different subject

I’m a Bama fan, but AU is a close second.

The AL.com forums for the Tigers and Tide have to be the worst ones in football.

Is there anyway that congress can step in and put a stop to this abortion?

Congress seems to want to meddle in CFB…..this would be a good place to start.

5IML

September 28th, 2010
12:16 pm

Tough break, Trisha.

Use that frustration as motivation.

SlimG

September 28th, 2010
12:17 pm

Take out Nebraska and substitute OU and u have it about right this early in the season. I like ur 4 team system, but square that number and everyone would have a chance to get hot at the end of the season.

3rdn8

September 28th, 2010
12:18 pm

Bama has gone undefeated in my lifetime with no NC….Trish. Sometimes you just have to move on.

TrishaDishaWarEagle

September 28th, 2010
12:24 pm

I’m not trying to dwell, I’m happy making money and living life, but since this is a CFB forum I thought I would vent :)

MURPHY

September 28th, 2010
12:27 pm

Bama beats the Gaytors-very close game. Bama loses to S.Carolina in Columbia. Gaytors will beat LSU. Im taking UT to beat LSU in an upset.

MURPHY

September 28th, 2010
12:30 pm

Did I miss something? Whats all the talk concerning Ben Jones?

jeff

September 28th, 2010
12:31 pm

nebraska vs. ohio st. for the bcs, next year for the conference championship

jeff

September 28th, 2010
12:32 pm

trisha…uga didn’t lose in 1980

3rdn8

September 28th, 2010
12:34 pm

I tend to agree on the UT upset of LSU. Miles usually finds a way to firmly stomp on his schwanze at least once every season, and UT could be the candidate this year. Only problem with the UT scenario is: the game is in Baton Rouge.

MURPHY

September 28th, 2010
12:37 pm

3rdn8,

It is at LSU,but not a night game. LSU is much tougher place to play at night. Im sticking with UT and Dooley on this one. He will win 2 games he isnt suppose to this year.Im afraid he will win another in Athens

Gator Mike

September 28th, 2010
12:40 pm

Hawgs exposed Alabama -very poor secondary, still missing Mount Cody and a one dimensional offense. Urban has been limiting plays to 10% of play book, Tide will see it all this week.Tide won’t be able to run against Gators 5-2 D and Julio won’t be enough to make a difference.
Gators upset elephants, 27-21. Trey Burton’s performance puts him in Heisman rce !!

jeff

September 28th, 2010
12:41 pm

why all the love for ut? they were damn lucky to beat uab.

KingGator

September 28th, 2010
12:41 pm

5IML, you’re probably right. I don’t have the stats in front of me, but Bama’s luck is going to run out at some point this season. Either by way of a loss, or some scandal that erupts to set the program back. Check Bama’s history, and legacy of coaches that were mentored there under Bear Bryant, and the record speaks for itself. Charley Pell would be an example that comes to mind being a Gator fan. Either way, you guys will not repeat. Hasn’t happened in the BCS era yet, and my $$ is against it happening anytime soon.

Bob

September 28th, 2010
12:42 pm

WTF? You don’t have UGA in there?

Tide Rising

September 28th, 2010
12:43 pm

Lot of good comments today and few of the juvenile flames.

I thought we showed great resilience Saturday in rallying. But there is no question that we have some defensive work to do and that a youthful secondary is going to get burned a few times while we grow up. Same with Florida on offense although they looked like they are starting to gel offensively on Saturday. Should be a good game sat although I’m giving us an edge due to the homefield advantage and a more experienced qb.

Jumbeaux tiger had a good point about how many good teams are in the west- 4 very solid teams that in my opinion could play with anybody in the country. I give us the overall edge in the west but I I still think any of those 4- AU, Bama, LSU, and Ark can beat each other. UF and S. Carolina in the east are pretty solid also. Ut and UGA are just looking bad right now and UAB dominated and should definitely have won that game at UT Sat. Nothing else to say positive about those 2 teams at the moment and that’s kind of a shame.

Outside the conference a key game next week is going to be Ohio State- Wisconsin. Its a week from now but if anyone in the big 10 can stop OSU its Wisconsin so I’m really looking forward to that one.

jeff

September 28th, 2010
12:43 pm

gatormike i hope you’re right. I am not confident in the gators d to stop ingram and richardson though i love the way omar hunter is playing in the middle of the line

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
12:44 pm

“Typical AU fan with all sorts of hopes and dreams.”

What’s wrong with having hopes and dreams?

jeff

September 28th, 2010
12:45 pm

tide rising i think ohio st. will have more of an issue at iowa in november. iowa took them to ot last year in columbus without their qb and they play pretty stout d

MURPHY

September 28th, 2010
12:45 pm

Jeff,

UAB is not a bad team,probably just as much talent as UT right now.Look at what UT went through the past 2 weeks-OREGON and UF. It is impossible for any team to stay focused like that week in and week out.I promise they will have a different midset at LSU.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
12:46 pm

“In all honesty, AU is pretty good and will win some good games, but in the end, they will never be Alabama.”

Never????? Wow, you must make a ton of money on Wall Street if you can foresee the future.

MURPHY

September 28th, 2010
12:47 pm

Bama creates their own luck by their relentless play. I will say Tenn last year was the exception.Rather be lucky than good anyday!

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
12:48 pm

“The Lee County Kittens don’t have a single player in the secondary that’s fit to be a pimple on Patrick Peterson’s butt. LSU has its issues, but that man might be the best athlete in the country not named Trent Richardson.”

So that one guy will instantaneously win games?

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
12:50 pm

“Bama has gone undefeated in my lifetime with no NC….Trish. Sometimes you just have to move on.”

Was that back in the 70’s?

MURPHY

September 28th, 2010
12:51 pm

Peterson is a beast. very big and fast. First round NFL dude for sure

jeff

September 28th, 2010
12:51 pm

trent richardson is a great athlete, but have you seen that kid playing qb for michigan. wow

G8R GRAD

September 28th, 2010
12:52 pm

We can only hope the team that showed up against UK is the same squad that travels to Tuscaloosa.
Demps’ foot seems to be well enough that Meyer is saying he is going to play.
Whether he’ll be at full speed remains to be seen.
Arkansas DID expose an Achilles heel in UA’s defensive secondary and I expect UF to exploit that.
As long as we come out firing on all cylinders and not looking like the Keystone Kops of the first three games, it should be close.
Bama CAN be beat – AirMallet proved it until he folded in the fourth.
Good luck to both teams and . . .

GO GATORS!

MURPHY

September 28th, 2010
12:53 pm

Jeff,
Amen to that. Guess we see now why Coach Rod didnt cry to much when Mallet left.

3rdn8

September 28th, 2010
12:53 pm

Gator Mike

agree that Bama is missing Cody. They’re also missing McClain, Arenas, Jackson,and Anders on defense. We’ll see Saturday how much of that gap has been closed.

But….they’re far from one dimensional on offense. They’re pretty balanced in fact. Bama has three very good WRs (and two TEs) that can all make plays.

I think this is a close matchup. Neither team is a world beater yet. Saturday is a tell-tale. I give Bama a slight edge for having the home field.

3rdn8

September 28th, 2010
12:56 pm

Not Pat Sulley

Bama went undefeated in 1966 (after back-to-back NCs btw), and finished 3rd behind ND and Michigan State.

Notre Dame didn’t play in bowls at that time, and Bama blew out a very good Nebraska team.

Go figure.

Old Gold

September 28th, 2010
12:56 pm

Where’s Tech? Johnson on hot seat! Worst Tech team in years!! Don’t you miss Gailey’s players?

jeff

September 28th, 2010
12:56 pm

i give bama a big edge for home field. last time we went there it was 31-3. we just don’t play well up there

MURPHY

September 28th, 2010
12:59 pm

Old Gold,

I miss Chan-He made for some good blog discussions. I was a honorary member of the Fans for Chan club!

Tide Rising

September 28th, 2010
1:02 pm

Jeff,

Agreed. Iowa is going to be the other big test for Ohio State. I’m just hoping that one of the 2 can get osu and as you said Iowa does get them at home.

ga gator,

Our pass rush has left a lot to be desired. And on top of that I can recall 3 times or more where a D lineman of ours had an open shot at mallett in the pocket last week and mallet simply outmanuevered the lineman and made him miss. Mallet aint exactly mr. juke and jive either so it was very disappointing to see him evade at least 3 sacks.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
1:06 pm

3rdn8

That was way before my time. Notre Dame is one of those schools that sports people love to build up. Much like USC.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
1:07 pm

“Iowa is going to be the other big test for Ohio State. I’m just hoping that one of the 2 can get osu and as you said Iowa does get them at home. ”

Ohio State will be tested by Iowa and Wisconsin. I think it’d be just nice if Michigan beats Ohio State.

Tide Rising

September 28th, 2010
1:08 pm

Anyone click on that link that showed Ben Jones running down the MSU player and taking his knee out from behind? That’s one of the alltime worse cheapshots that I’ve ever seen. I understand Jones frustration with getting beaten up by this guy but the cheapshot he took was a potential career ender. Doesn’t get any worse.

jumbeauxtiger

September 28th, 2010
1:09 pm

Old School, Palladin & 3rdn8,

I’m not quite ready to be thinking about Florida, Auburn and Bama yet. Murphy is right that the Tigers are primed for an upset. It’s during the day and a huge game looms the following week in the Swamp. What many may not be aware of is that Jefferson was roundly booed on Saturday night and frankly I was embarrassed. That stuff is not good for the players nor for the recruits who were in attendance. Miles called out the fans about it and many fans are not happy. To me that’s a distracton we don’t need against a UT squadat could sneak up on us.

We are 4-0 and we have this stuff going on. I cant imagine what it would be like if we were 1-3.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
1:09 pm

Cam Newton just picked up another honor. If that guy stays healthy, he’s going to be a force.

McDawg

September 28th, 2010
1:10 pm

i’m sticking to my prediction at the beginning of the year

OSU v Nebraska

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
1:10 pm

jumbeauxtiger

Would you say that Auburn and LSU are about even right now?

Tide Rising

September 28th, 2010
1:12 pm

Not Pat Sulley,

Yeah. I was saying that I hope Wisconsin can take down OSU in 2 weeks and then Jeff noted that Iowa has a better shot than Wisconsin since Iowa gets OSU at home this year and lost in ot last year in Columbus. Hell if Michigan keeps it up I’m going to think the wolverines have a legit shot at OSU. How many of us would really have thought that possible in the preseason? Not many. But you never know in a rivalry game so that’s 3 good shots there at someone taking down OSU.

Silver Britches, Red Panties

September 28th, 2010
1:14 pm

Tony, if Our Beloved Dawgs “run the table,” do you think they might make it to the Humanitarian Bowl?

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
1:15 pm

Tide Rising

I was just looking at the Heisman “watch” list which doesn’t mean anything right now. Ingram is at the top. Now, I am really scratching my head as to how Cam Newton has not reached the top 10 list. He leads the SEC in several categories and has won National Player of the week, twice.

jeff

September 28th, 2010
1:16 pm

not pat he already is a force…wish he hadn’t gotten into a mess in gainesville. i would love to see him running uf’s offense.

Tide Rising

September 28th, 2010
1:17 pm

jumbeaux,

normally I can see a team looking past someone and getting caught but not in this case. LSU just has too many athletes for UT right now. I watched the complete UT game Sat. and it was bad. UAB just stormed up and down the field the whole game on UT. They missed 4 field goals in regulation and threw a pick 6 from their own 6 yd line with only a minute left in the 1st half. UT just looked really, really bad.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
1:18 pm

jeff

Well, what is is is. I mean, he left, got called up by Auburn when no one else even thought of going after him and we’re smiling. It’s been two decades since we had a Heisman winner and it’d be nice to get a third.

jumbeauxtiger

September 28th, 2010
1:18 pm

Not Pat Sulley,

I really haven’t watched Auburn much this season except when they played State. I know you have 2 big back to back wins. I will give you the edge as the game is at JH. But if it’s a high-scoring game we won’t stand a chance.

jumbeauxtiger

September 28th, 2010
1:21 pm

I hope you are right Tide Rising. ith taking on our East Division permanent opponent, Florida, and battling the rest of the West, we can’t afford to slip up against the Vols.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
1:21 pm

jumbeauxtiger

Our defense is coming around. What kills us is penalties and turnovers. I can’t wait for next season because Cam will be a senior and our two big backs will have more experience under their belts. Our receiving corps looks really good. We even have a big white dude who can catch and he has a cool last name.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
1:22 pm

jumbeauxtiger

You guys are going to have a field day with the Vols. Put in your second string and you still win by double digits.

Tide Rising

September 28th, 2010
1:22 pm

Not Pat Sulley,

Cam should be in there easily. I think that statistically he’s not up there as far as passing yds go but in rushing he obviously has done a fine job. And in terms of leadership and intangibles there is no question he is the key in AU being 4-0 as opposed to 2-2. One more big game and it would be hard to not imagine him leaping into the top 5.

Kinda surprised to see Ingram back in there so quickly. personally I don’t give much of a hoot anyway about the Heisman. It rarely really goes to the best player in the country, is highly subjective, to me its just one huge popularity contest and I gave up on it when Charles Woodson beat out Peyton Manning for it based on 2 highlight reel punt returns being replayed over and over and over on ESPN. Its early but if I had a vote at this juncture to me the single best player in America is Patrick Peterson. JMHO of course and we do have a long, long way to go.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
1:23 pm

Tide Rising

BINGO! Most Heisman winners never do anything in the NFL.

GeneralNeyland96

September 28th, 2010
1:33 pm

3rdn8 – Hope you’re right about the LSU upset by UT…..you get bonus points in my book for the correct use of German!

3rdn8

September 28th, 2010
1:34 pm

Heisman Trophy….biggest distraction in CFB

It’s TEAM SPORT!!!

Give the damned thing to a Southern Cal RB every year and be done with it.

jumbeauxtiger

September 28th, 2010
1:35 pm

Sagarin College Football Ratings:

1. Alabama
2. Florida
3. Boise St
4. LSU
5. Oregon

I’m a LSU fan and I’m amused with this.

jeff

September 28th, 2010
1:36 pm

Tide rising patrick peterson is great. Cameron Heyward is better. Doesn’t run like his dad, but at 285 he runs well for a defensive end that size.

3rdn8

September 28th, 2010
1:36 pm

GeneralNeyland96

my Gernam is fairly limited but….”Lane Kiffin isst Esel Schwänze”

Honky Talkin'

September 28th, 2010
1:44 pm

I think Boise State will drop in the polls with the weak schedule (especially since VA Tech is not a quality win now). Ohio State will lose at least once. If Alabama beats Florida, The Tide will face either Nebraska or Oklahoma for the NC.

GTBob

September 28th, 2010
1:44 pm

Playoffs starting? Oh, never mind. You got me excited for a second. I thought College Football might have moved out of the stone age and caught up with every other sport on earth.

Gatorbait

September 28th, 2010
2:00 pm

Meyer likes being an underdog. Add in the revenge factor and they will surprise everyone. Using a five man defensive front is an interesting strategy they have already been using.

Gatorbait

September 28th, 2010
2:01 pm

Oh and did everyone forget Cam Newton was thrown off the gator team? I think it is hilarious all the love this guy is now getting.

WashingtonDCduck

September 28th, 2010
2:06 pm

**** ESPN’s Game Day in Eugene Oregon and not in Tuscaloosa…. Hmmm? ****

Was anyone else a little surprised, if not shocked that Game Day picked Eugene over ‘Bama. The sole reason that I can think of is that CBS is airing the Gators and Tide, therefore since it’s not on the family of conglomerate networks ABC/ESPN and they wanted to push one of their own games. You have the nation’s #1 team vs. another top #10 team, and Oregon at #4 vs. #9 Stanford. The previous having won a ton of recent BCS National Championships. Thoughts? Regardless, both games are going to be great.

tiger7_88

September 28th, 2010
2:10 pm

@Truth, 10:58 am, said “In all honesty, AU is pretty good and will win some good games, but in the end, they will never be Alabama.”

I assure you, as much as you bammertards love to convince yourselves otherwise, Auburn people thank the good sweet lord EVERY DAY that we “will never be bammer”.

jumbeauxtiger

September 28th, 2010
2:17 pm

WashingtonDCDduck, I think you are on the mark and the fact that they won’t have to fly Herbstreit from T-Town to cover the game in Eugene that night.

Both should be great games.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
2:17 pm

tiger7_88

AMEN to that!

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
2:18 pm

“I think it is hilarious all the love this guy is now getting.’

Yeah, imagine that! (sarcasm)

Dawgbreath

September 28th, 2010
2:37 pm

I can see SC beating Bama. Their mistakes in the Allbarn game are very correctable and for 3 quarters were handing the barners their azz. Got to believe Ellis Johnson gets that defense squared away.

They will have a week off. Bama comes off of UF. USC is at home. I smell upset.

bamafan

September 28th, 2010
2:38 pm

Trish – you are correct. Auburn gets no respect. Three undefeated seasons 57, 93, and 04 and only one National Championship (57). The reason Auburn gets no respect is because of loud fans such as yourself who constantly compare your program to Bama’s. Trish – the numbers don’t lie.
Be proud of Auburn’s program but don’t seriously believe you will sway folks that Auburn’s history is better than Bama’s. When you do so, you lose credibility. Oh, did I mention that Auburn was on probation in 57 and 93? Listen, Auburn is a fine school with a fine football tradition……complaining about the lack of respect simply is a self-fulfilling prophecy. For the record, Auburn has been on football probation more than Bama – why in the world do you guys insist on bringing up that stat??

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
2:41 pm

“Three undefeated seasons 57, 93, and 04 and only one National Championship (57). ”

Auburn has had 8 or 9 undefeated seasons in it’s history.

“The reason Auburn gets no respect is because of loud fans such as yourself who constantly compare your program to Bama’s. ‘

If that were the case, LSU would have 0.

“For the record, Auburn has been on football probation more than Bama”

Auburn has been on probation 7 times. Bama has been on probation 5 times.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
2:41 pm

“Their mistakes in the Allbarn game are very correctable and for 3 quarters were handing the barners their azz. ”

Irony: A disgruntled UGA fan makes fun of Auburn.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
2:42 pm

“Auburn gets no respect.”

They get a lot of respect, Bama. Hell, ESPN said it was their favorite place to come to in all of the SEC.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
2:43 pm

“Be proud of Auburn’s program but don’t seriously believe you will sway folks that Auburn’s history is better than Bama’s.”

The only reason Bama gets attention is because of one Bear Bryant. Take him out of the equation and Bama is a regular football program.

bamafan

September 28th, 2010
2:46 pm

No Pat – thanks for confirming the stat about the probations. I have no doubt that Toomer’s Corner is a fine place for ESPN Game Day. The real issue is why Trish and others are not content to simply support their team…………telling everyone that another school is trash is the main reason Auburn fans were recently voted the most obnoxious in the SEC and one of the principal reasons why Auburn gets no respect.

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
2:46 pm

One should not onfuse a young secondary with a weak one. A weak one leaks yards and points like a sieve. A young but talented one gives up some big plays on busted coverages but makes an equal number of them. Mark Barron is a veteran stud leader at safety, Dre Kirkpatrick is a first round pick in the making and DeMarcus Milliner isn’t far behind. Robert Lester, the other safety, is intercepting balls left and right.

Funny thing, I’m not big on making predictions but last week I mentioned that Bama had given up only one TD in three games coming in, Mallett might get two. Turns out I was dead on- Mallett got two TDs with his three INTs. I don’t see Florida getting in the end zone more than twice either, especially since their passing game looks average.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
2:49 pm

“Auburn fans were recently voted the most obnoxious in the SEC and one of the principal reasons why Auburn gets no respect.”

LOLOL!!!! You must be referring to one, Mark Bradley!!!!! Gee, imagine a guy who loves UGA calling Auburn fans obnoxious.

He also wrote that Auburn went through a lot of coaches which they have not. Auburn has had 4 coaches since 1980.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
2:49 pm

“one of the principal reasons why Auburn gets no respect.”

What are you talking about?

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
2:50 pm

BAMA dude

I predict Tebow will cry from Denver.

gcs

September 28th, 2010
2:54 pm

Boise State is NO Cinderella. They are the ugly step-sister who gets all the undeserved attention.

Oregon-Stanford is a monster game. Alabama-Florida is Godzilla.

BYU picked an interesting time to go independent:
By “interesting”, do you mean “stupid”?

1. Alabama
2. Ohio State
3. Oregon
4. Nebraska
5. Boise State

.

Old School

September 28th, 2010
2:55 pm

“The only reason Bama gets attention is because of one Bear Bryant. Take him out of the equation and Bama is a regular football program.”

Ever heard of Coach Wade and Coach Thomas?

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
2:59 pm

“Ever heard of Coach Wade and Coach Thomas?”

Yep and neither one are talked about as much as Bear.

Old School

September 28th, 2010
3:02 pm

My point being they were great coaches making the Tide the first great southern power and 4-1-1 in the Rose Bowl before Coach Bryant became HC at Alabama. Bryant simply overshadows all.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
3:05 pm

Old School

Not arguing that at all. They were great coaches. Some of the best.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
3:06 pm

Old School

See my other points about Auburn. Bama fans seem to always state their own opinions about Auburn and how they don’t get respect which is totally untrue. Auburn has had a few bad things happen to them. 2004 being the most recent.

Auburn has had a great football tradition.

Truth

September 28th, 2010
3:07 pm

Auburn fans… smh

Old School

September 28th, 2010
3:13 pm

Not Pat Sulley

I agree with your point about AU 100%. 6 SEC titles, 2 Heisman winners and with the exception of Southern Cal, probably no school has turned out more exceptional RBs. And yes, 2004 was the royal shaft.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
3:19 pm

Old School

Yeah, and you can understand why we’d be steamed about 2004. Especially when it turned out that USC had their title stripped from them.

5IML

September 28th, 2010
3:30 pm

Present day – 2004 = 6 years ago.

And Auburn fans complain about BAMA fans living in the past.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
3:33 pm

“And Auburn fans complain about BAMA fans living in the past.”

What do expect when other people bring it up? The AJC sports writers have brought that topic up 3 times this year.

Blame them.

5IML

September 28th, 2010
3:37 pm

Ignore the topic and post something completely off subject. That’s what most of us do anyway.

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
3:48 pm

How was 2004 the shaftfor Aubie? What did USC do to cheat exactly? It’s not like they were paying the players or recruiting the players based on the premise that they could get paid. A couple of the kids took money from agents while at school there which, frankly, I don’t think the NCAA should police anyway. That Auburn team was not the best in the country and blew any chance to complain and/or earn a split title by barely beating Va Tech in their bowl. Miami in 2000 had a legitimate beef, beating FSU head to head and being ahead in both human polls but missing on computer rankings. They proved their point, spanking Florida in the Sugar. The 2001 Oregon team was passed over in favor of a Nebraska team that had just been waxed in the Big 12 championship, giving up 62 points to Colorado. Oregon went on to beat the same Buffaloes team by 20 plus in the Fiesta. You can’t whine after the fact when you struggled to win against an inferior opponent.

5IML

September 28th, 2010
3:48 pm

For example, Ingram was “fighting mad” (as they say in south Alabama) at the end of the Arkansas game because Ark players were punching MCElroy during the pile up after the quarterback sneak.

See how I completely ignored the topic and went in my own direction? Now you try it.

bamafan

September 28th, 2010
4:00 pm

Sully – yes Bama fans live in the past. It was absolutely understandable during the dark ages of Dubose (all but 99), Franchione (even 10 wins in 2002 was not enough), and Shula (10 wins in 2005 were not enough since last two games were losses to LSU and Auburn). I didn’t even mention Mike Price – so yes, we were living in the past. Today, we are living in the present. Everybody does it.
Until Gene Chizik can win the SEC title, Auburn will live in the past – I believe the year is 2004.

5IML

September 28th, 2010
4:02 pm

BAMA dude,

Aub also struggled against a bad BAMA team on national TV to end the season. Follow that with beating a team (UT) you had already beaten that season, and it just wasn’t gonna happen for Aub.

I do disagree with you about USC. I’d guess that agents and USC’s coaches made it known that playing there was a paid internship. That would definitely affect recruiting.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
4:06 pm

“That Auburn team was not the best in the country and blew any chance to complain and/or earn a split title by barely beating Va Tech in their bowl.”

That same Va Tech was unranked when USC beat them by 8 points.

“Aub also struggled against a bad BAMA team on national TV to end the season.”

Yeah, and Bama struggle even worse against an unranked Auburn team last year.

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
4:06 pm

5IML, something like that would have come out long before it did, and would have carried something resembling a death penalty. Bottom line is that Reggie Bush was their Antonio Langham. Very similar offenses and similar penalties.

5IML

September 28th, 2010
4:06 pm

bamafan,

Shula finished the 2005 season by beating Texas Tech. But, if you mean the 2005 calendar year, you are correct.

Stallings is being honored at halftime of the game on Saturday. If Shula was in attendance and flashed on the jumbotron during the game, what do you think the crowd reaction would be?

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
4:06 pm

“Until Gene Chizik can win the SEC title, Auburn will live in the past – I believe the year is 2004.”

Uh…..he’s in his second season. It took Saban three years before he won his at Bama.

5IML

September 28th, 2010
4:07 pm

BAMA dude,

An agent steered OJ Mayo to USC. Why couldn’t agents steer football players to lenient programs?

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
4:08 pm

“You can’t whine after the fact when you struggled to win against an inferior opponent.”

Oh the hypocrisy.

Bama barely got passed TN and Auburn last year and both teams were not ranked.

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
4:10 pm

Actually, Virginia Tech played USC in the first week that year and lost 24-13. Much different than a three point bowl game win. Besides, the beef would have been with OU if it was with anybody. After getting the shaft the year before USC was going for sure.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
4:10 pm

“How was 2004 the shaftfor Aubie?”

Gee, I don’t know, Einstein. (sarcasm)

Could it be that Auburn went undefeated in the SEC, beat 5 top 25 teams, set an all-time NFL recruiting record etc?????????

Yeah, I can’t imagine how Auburn got screwed? (sarcasm)

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
4:11 pm

Uh…..he’s in his second season. It took Saban three years before he won his at Bama.

What was Saban’s SEC record in year two? Anybody remember?

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
4:11 pm

“Actually, Virginia Tech played USC in the first week that year and lost 24-13.”

VT was not ranked when USC played them. So, if we’re gonna play your “gotcha” game, then USC should have beaten a non ranked VT team by 100 points.

“After getting the shaft the year before USC was going for sure.”

USC lost to Stanford which got them left out of the championship in 2003.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
4:12 pm

“What was Saban’s SEC record in year two? Anybody remember?”

5-1.

We’re still in Chizek’s second year at Auburn and he’s……..2-0 in the SEC so far.

King Gator

September 28th, 2010
4:12 pm

Gators over Bama – 27-21 in a very physical game! Go Gators! Dawgs pick it up already..

5IML

September 28th, 2010
4:17 pm

No Pat,

In 2004, Auburn put forth a ho-hum, lackluster effort against 6-4 BAMA team.

Last year, BAMA fought from behind to triumph over a scrappy 7-4 Auburn team that came out with guns ablazing and trick plays and onside kicks and the Tropper towel.

As you can clearly see, the difference is Auburn’s lack national appeal. With a solid year this year, followed up with Heisman-hyping for CAM going into next year, you can overcome the national disinterest.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
4:20 pm

“In 2004, Auburn put forth a ho-hum, lackluster effort against 6-4 BAMA team.”

In 2009, Bama put forth a ho-hum lackluster effort and came back with .52 seconds to beat a 7-5 Auburn team.

“Last year, BAMA fought from behind to triumph over a scrappy 7-4 Auburn team that came out with guns ablazing and trick plays and onside kicks and the Tropper towel.”

HAHAAHAH! Keep on digging, 5ML, someday you’ll come up with an argument that makes sense.

“As you can clearly see, the difference is Auburn’s lack national appeal.”

What the F%^% does that even mean? No one outside of Tuscaloosa gives a crap about Alabama.

“With a solid year this year, followed up with Heisman-hyping for CAM going into next year, you can overcome the national disinterest.”

The mind of a bama fan is too damn funny.

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
4:20 pm

Auburn didn’t get screwed. No way the Sooners led by Jason White and Adrian Peterson were getting passed up for Aubie.

And what is this crap you keep spewing about some NFL draft record? They had five kids drafter, four in the first round (though Jason Campbell had no business being drafted that high.) The only records set there might be school records.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
4:22 pm

5IML

What do records have to do with “national appeal?”

If this were a popularity contest, Alabama would be dead last in national appeal.

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
4:22 pm

Not Pat Sulley, you might want to recheck Saban’s SEC record in year two. 5-1 is not the answer.

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
4:23 pm

King gator, didn’t you pick Bama to win this morning?

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
4:24 pm

“Auburn didn’t get screwed. No way the Sooners led by Jason White and Adrian Peterson were getting passed up for Aubie.”

55-14. Yep, dem Sooners sure wuz great.

“And what is this crap you keep spewing about some NFL draft record?’

Four Auburn Players Taken In First Round Of NFL Draft

AUBURN — The Auburn football program made history during the first day of the 2005 National Football League Draft Saturday as four Tigers were drafted in the first round, becoming the first school in Southeastern Conference history to have four first round draft picks in the same year. Running backs Ronnie Brown and Carnell Williams were taken by the Miami Dolphins and Tampa Bay Buccaneers with the second and fifth overall picks, while cornerback Carlos Rogers and quarterback Jason Campbell were both taken by the Washington Redskins with the ninth and 25th overall selections.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
4:25 pm

“you might want to recheck Saban’s SEC record in year two. 5-1 is not the answer.”

8-1. My bad

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
4:26 pm

BAMA dude

Whatever happened to the almighty Matt Leinart, Heisman winner?

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
4:26 pm

OK, so it was an SEC record. Big deal- Miami had six one year and Campbell shouldn’t have been a first rounder anyway. Must not have had much depth on that team either since two of the first rounders played the same position and nobody else was drafted until the last round.

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
4:28 pm

Call it 8-1 if you want chief. Fact is there were two undefeated SEC teams that year and one of ‘em had to lose the SECCG.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
4:28 pm

“K, so it was an SEC record. Big deal”

HUGE deal, dude.

“Miami had six one year and Campbell shouldn’t have been a first rounder anyway.”

Awe, poor whittle bama bed wetter. Guess what, he was and he also won SEC player of the year.

“Must not have had much depth on that team either since two of the first rounders played the same position and nobody else was drafted until the last round.”

Typical bama retard. Always trashing other teams accomplishments. But hey, you’ll always have Shaun Alexander. LOL

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
4:29 pm

“Call it 8-1 if you want chief. ”

Oh, so Florida isn’t in the SEC, chief? LOL

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
4:29 pm

Leinart, like so many other Heisman QB’s, is not an NFL prototype. Many people always knew that.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
4:29 pm

“Fact is there were two undefeated SEC teams that year and one of ‘em had to lose the SECCG.”

One word: Utah.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
4:30 pm

“Leinart, like so many other Heisman QB’s, is not an NFL prototype. Many people always knew that.”

Yet ESPN called him the greatest QB ever.

Again, typical Bama logic.

5IML

September 28th, 2010
4:32 pm

Not Pat,

Every time you say something like “No one outside of Tuscaloosa gives a crap about Alabama” you lose a little bit of credibility that you can never regain. How many SI covers last year? How many this year? ESPN special? ESPNU five-part series? I can go on but I think you get the message.

It’s alright for you to be a fool, just don’t be a d**n fool.

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
4:34 pm

You want to trumpet that as a huge deal, go ahead. You had five NFL draft picks. Oklahoma had eleven that year including two first rounders and three second rounders. Jason White, former Heisman winner, didn’t get drafted. And Adrian Peterson was a Freshman.

Yeah, Aubie was better. Whatever.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
4:35 pm

“How many SI covers last year? ”

WHO THE HELL READS THAT MAGAZINE?????????? NO ONE.

Hell, Jeff Francour was on the cover of CNNSI! LOL

“ESPN special? ESPNU five-part series? I can go on but I think you get the message.”

Oh wow, so now since you gals were on ESPN you are awesome!!!!! LOL

Sounds like you’re the one with self-esteem problems.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
4:35 pm

“Jason White, former Heisman winner, didn’t get drafted. And Adrian Peterson was a Freshman.”

And where is Mr. White? Crickets…..crickets……chirp…..

Adrian Petterson = fumble fumble fumble….

5IML

September 28th, 2010
4:36 pm

Aub is 4-0. What are you guys so upset about?

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
4:36 pm

“Yeah, Aubie was better. Whatever.’

55-14 USC

Nuff said

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
4:37 pm

“Aub is 4-0. What are you guys so upset about?”

Are you off your meds?

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
4:38 pm

BAMA dude = No matter what Auburn does, they will never be aloud to play in the BCS title game.

BAMA dude = retarded

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
4:38 pm

Best COLLEGE QB ever meathead. His arm strength was widely criticized. I’m starting to realize that you really don’t know a thing about football.

Oh, and last I checked, Utah went undefeated that year. We laid an egg in a game against a good team. More than likely hung over from the disappointment in the SECCG. No excuse there, Utah wanted the game and took it.

5IML

September 28th, 2010
4:39 pm

Good job, No Pat. You have managed to throw a a cyber hissy fit.

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
4:39 pm

Never said that Aubie couldn’t play. That year, both USC and Oklahoma had more impressive teams. That’s all.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
4:40 pm

“Best COLLEGE QB ever meathead. His arm strength was widely criticized. I’m starting to realize that you really don’t know a thing about football.”

Ma’am, if I were you, I’d go ahead and blow up my trailer with you inside.

“Utah went undefeated that year. ”

And never played one ranked team.

“Good job, No Pat. You have managed to throw a a cyber hissy fit.”

Nice job at deflecting from the issues, ma’am.

5IML

September 28th, 2010
4:41 pm

No Pat,

The facts (which you presented) speak for themselves. In 2004, Auburn played better competition than USC and OU, finished with the same record, and was not allowed to play in the BCSCG. What conclusion do you draw?

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
4:42 pm

“Never said that Aubie couldn’t play.”

No, you just implied it with “Auburn doesn’t have national appeal and therefore can’t play for it.”

“That year, both USC and Oklahoma had more impressive teams. ”

LOLO!!!! Yeah, with Oklahoma playing and beating one ranked team. MAN OH MAN, they looked very impressive with their win over non ranked Colorado.

5IML

September 28th, 2010
4:43 pm

No Pat,

Thanks for getting your cyber drawz in a bunch. I will now chuckle all the home.

Again, thanks.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
4:43 pm

“What conclusion do you draw?”

The BCS sucks, as well as hypocritical bama fans.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
4:44 pm

“I will now chuckle all the home. ‘

Which trailer is yours?

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
4:44 pm

Jason White was also not an NFL type QB. Neither was Charlie Ward. Or Ken Dorsey, Major Harris, Tony Rice, Danny Wuerffel, Shane Matthews … There are plenty of examples of top notch college QBs who aren’t cut out for the pro game.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
4:46 pm

“There are plenty of examples of top notch college QBs who aren’t cut out for the pro game.”

Never said they weren’t. My point, which flew right over your head, was that ESPN built up Matt Leinart as the best QB ever to play the game. They also said he’d go on to become an awesome NFL qb.

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
4:46 pm

I said more impressive teams, not schedules. You wanted to taunt Auburn’s NFL Draft record, I showed you that Oklahoma’s was superior. Those were your terms, not mine. Voters do utilize the eye test as well, you know.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
4:46 pm

“Jason White was also not an NFL type QB. ”

He also never won big games.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
4:48 pm

“I said more impressive teams, not schedules.”

Any team can look impressive when they have cupcake schedules. Just ask 2006 Ohio State who went undefeated in the Big Ten only to get destroyed by Florida.

“You wanted to taunt Auburn’s NFL Draft record, I showed you that Oklahoma’s was superior. ”

Ah yes, more bama logic. Auburn sucks, everyone else better. GOTCHA!!!!! LOL

“Voters do utilize the eye test as well, you know.”

And voters were flat out wrong. Just ask the ones who voted for Obama.

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
4:48 pm

ESPN wants ratings. Alabama, whether you like it or not, has one of the greatest national fan bases along with Notre Dame, Michigan, Texas, and Oklahoma. Forbes magazine rates Alabama second behind Texas for the most valuable football program, turning $32 million in profits last year. Aubie is the little brother land grant school and always will be.

Paul in RDU

September 28th, 2010
4:49 pm

3rdn8
You were pretty close on the German – I would have gone with “Lane Kiffen ist ein wenig esel schwänze”.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
4:49 pm

BAMA dude

That “impressive” Oklahoma team, that you say is so awesome, beat Texas 12-0 in 2004.

HARDLY an impressive team.

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
4:51 pm

Not Pat, I just showed you that Oklahoma had eleven players drafted to Aubie’s five. How is that not better? Because four of them went early? By the end of the second round Oklahoma had more players drafted than Aubie then piled on from there. There’s no way you believe the crap you spew.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
4:51 pm

“Alabama, whether you like it or not, has one of the greatest national fan bases along with Notre Dame, Michigan, Texas, and Oklahoma.”

I’ve been all across the country, and I have never seen a huge fan base for Alabama. EVER.

“Forbes magazine rates Alabama second behind Texas for the most valuable football program, turning $32 million in profits last year. ”

Forbes also said Obama would be the greatest president since Reagan.

“Aubie is the little brother land grant school and always will be.”

Only a bama retard would say that.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
4:52 pm

“I just showed you that Oklahoma had eleven players drafted to Aubie’s five.”

Hmmmm, ever think that maybe Auburn didn’t have as many finish school in 2004?

THINK MCFLY, THINK.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
4:52 pm

“There’s no way you believe the crap you spew.”

Says the gal who thinks being on the cover of CNNSI is a good thing. LOL

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
4:54 pm

BAMA dude

The state of Alabama ranks at the bottom of all states in education.

17 of 20

September 28th, 2010
4:57 pm

The Gators will beat bama 28-13.

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
4:57 pm

Not Pat, you have attributed two arguments now to me that weren’t mine. I agree that SI just wants to sell mags and ESPN wants ratings. That said, they favor Bama for a reason. I live up north now and still bump into Bama fans from time to time. There are some everywhere you go. No what I’ve never seen outside the south? An Aubie. Never. It’s cool, we’re used to the little brother syndrome.

Nix_2_Sanders

September 28th, 2010
4:59 pm

BCS National Champ Game—————————-

Ohio State vs TCU

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
4:59 pm

“No what I’ve never seen outside the south? An Aubie. Never. It’s cool, we’re used to the little brother syndrome.”

Keep telling yourself that. I live in Chicago and I can tell you that there are over 2000 Auburn grads/fans who live here.

Trust me, you’re gasping for air.

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
5:02 pm

In 2006 Auburn had four players drafted; one in the second and three in the last round

In 2007 Auburn had five drafted, Ben grubbs went late in the first

In 2008 Auburn had five drafted; three seconds, a fourth, and a seventh

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
5:02 pm

From ESPN

2004 USC is decade’s best team

9. Auburn ‘04. The other team in 2004. The Tigers were the odd unbeaten left out of the BCS title game, forced to watch USC destroy Oklahoma while given no shot at the championship. But this was an excellent team, led by a backfield of future NFL starters (quarterback Jason Campbell and running backs Ronnie Brown and Carnell “Cadillac” Williams) that was as talented as USC’s that year.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=4841759

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
5:02 pm

BAMA dude @ 5:02 pm

And your point?

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
5:07 pm

You said that Aubie had half the players drafted because the rest of the stars came out later. The three drafts after the one in 2005 yielded exactly one first round pick. Again, this is one of your key reasons that Aubie deserved to play for a MNC. your terms, not mine.

And NOW you’re citing ESPN? You just said they whiffed on Leinart. Can’t have it both ways. And to think that somebody called you a fantastic debater.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
5:12 pm

“You said that Aubie had half the players drafted because the rest of the stars came out later. ”

Show me where I said that.

“And NOW you’re citing ESPN?”

Yep, to prove a point that ESPN is in the tank for USC. You’d notice that they have USC at the top of their list. Oh wait, you ignored it.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
5:13 pm

“And to think that somebody called you a fantastic debater.”

Geez, do you always make up stuff?

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
5:13 pm

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
4:52 pm
“I just showed you that Oklahoma had eleven players drafted to Aubie’s five.”

Hmmmm, ever think that maybe Auburn didn’t have as many finish school in 2004?

THINK MCFLY, THINK.

Taken out of context?

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
5:14 pm

“Taken out of context?”

Yep.

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
5:15 pm

No, i believe it was Beast of the East that said it yesterday. Unless you aren’t the same Aubie handle changer I assume you to be. If not, the two of you sound an awful lot alike. The guy he was talking about was a Dookie who had an affinity for that god forsaken cow college for some reason.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
5:15 pm

“In 2006 Auburn had four players drafted; one in the second and three in the last round

In 2007 Auburn had five drafted, Ben grubbs went late in the first

In 2008 Auburn had five drafted; three seconds, a fourth, and a seventh”

To play your game, if you put all those players above in the 2004 draft, what does that equal, genius?

Answer: More than 11.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
5:16 pm

“The guy he was talking about was a Dookie who had an affinity for that god forsaken cow college for some reason.”

Again, you are grasping for air. Paranoid, too.

Paul in RDU

September 28th, 2010
5:16 pm

How did Auburn set a record with 4 first round draft picks in 2005 when Miami had 6 first round draft picks in 2004?

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
5:17 pm

How so? You implied that Oklahoma had more players drafted because the rest of Auburn’s didn’t finish school that year. The facts show that to be inaccurate.

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
5:18 pm

If you’re not the same person then my bad. I jumped on his assumption I guess.

But paranoid? LOL

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
5:19 pm

“You implied that Oklahoma had more players drafted because the rest of Auburn’s didn’t finish school that year. The facts show that to be inaccurate.”

Bama, please quit while you’re behind. Geez, you’ve already accused me of being a “dookie” as you so elegantly put it.

By the way, Duke is 100% better than Bama when it comes to academics.

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
5:19 pm

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
5:15 pm
“In 2006 Auburn had four players drafted; one in the second and three in the last round

In 2007 Auburn had five drafted, Ben grubbs went late in the first

In 2008 Auburn had five drafted; three seconds, a fourth, and a seventh”

To play your game, if you put all those players above in the 2004 draft, what does that equal, genius?

Answer: More than 11.

You can’t be that stupid. Oklahoma had players drafted over those years too. Guarantee you it was more than Aubie just about every year.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
5:19 pm

“How did Auburn set a record with 4 first round draft picks in 2005 when Miami had 6 first round draft picks in 2004?”

??????????????????????????

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
5:20 pm

“You can’t be that stupid. Oklahoma had players drafted over those years too. Guarantee you it was more than Aubie just about every year.”

You obviously missed my point, Bama. It’s ok, we all know Bama fans aren’t that bright to begin with.

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
5:23 pm

Here you go, Oklahoma had seven in 2006, three in 2007, and four in 2008. That brings your total to 25 in the four year period vs. 19 for Aubie.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
5:24 pm

BAMA dude logic:

Oklahoma 2004: beat one ranked team.

Auburn 2004: beat 5 top 25 teams and one of them twice.

In Bama dudes mind, Oklahoma is better………………..

Paul in RDU

September 28th, 2010
5:24 pm

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
4:10 pm
“How was 2004 the shaftfor Aubie?”

Gee, I don’t know, Einstein. (sarcasm)

Could it be that Auburn went undefeated in the SEC, beat 5 top 25 teams, set an all-time NFL recruiting record etc?????????

So Not Pat – how was Auburn’s 4 first round draft picks in 2005 a record when Miami had 6 in 2004?
Or is 4>6 where you are?

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
5:24 pm

“Here you go, Oklahoma had seven in 2006, three in 2007, and four in 2008. That brings your total to 25 in the four year period vs. 19 for Aubie.”

Like I said, you totally missed the point.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
5:25 pm

“how was Auburn’s 4 first round draft picks in 2005 a record when Miami had 6 in 2004?”

SEC record for NFL first round picks.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
5:26 pm

Paul, here you go.

AUBURN — The Auburn football program made history during the first day of the 2005 National Football League Draft Saturday as four Tigers were drafted in the first round, becoming the first school in Southeastern Conference history to have four first round draft picks in the same year. Running backs Ronnie Brown and Carnell Williams were taken by the Miami Dolphins and Tampa Bay Buccaneers with the second and fifth overall picks, while cornerback Carlos Rogers and quarterback Jason Campbell were both taken by the Washington Redskins with the ninth and 25th overall selections.

Paul in RDU

September 28th, 2010
5:29 pm

Not Pat Sulley – You do realize that “all-time NFL draft record” (your words from your earlier post) means “all-time” – not “All-time SEC”.

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
5:29 pm

How did I miss your point? By your logic, Oklahoma still had more kids drafted. Again, you cited draft record as a key reason Aubie should have gotten a chance.

And by the way, you didn’t cite ESPN to show that they’re in the tank for USC. You were citing the text praising Auburn’s backfield. In college ball I’ll take Leinart/White/Bush any day over Campbell/Brown/Williams. As far as pro ball goes, frankly they’ve all been busts to a degree for different reasons. White and Bush have had decent careers, Cadillac and Brown have done well when healthy but haven’t been able to stay that way, and the two first round QB’s are on the pine.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
5:30 pm

Paul in RDU

I left out SEC. My bad, it’s fixed now.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
5:32 pm

“Again, you cited draft record as a key reason Aubie should have gotten a chance.”

WRONG! All I did was list their accomplishments from 2004.

“You were citing the text praising Auburn’s backfield. ‘

That MUST be why I posted the title of the article “2004 USC is decade’s best team” LOL.

“In college ball I’ll take Leinart/White/Bush any day over Campbell/Brown/Williams.”

Of course you would since Bama has a lot in common with paying players.

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
5:33 pm

Ok then, enlighten me. What WAS the point of this post if not to say that Oklahoma actually had fewer NFL ready players than Auburn:

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
5:15 pm
“In 2006 Auburn had four players drafted; one in the second and three in the last round

In 2007 Auburn had five drafted, Ben grubbs went late in the first

In 2008 Auburn had five drafted; three seconds, a fourth, and a seventh”

To play your game, if you put all those players above in the 2004 draft, what does that equal, genius?

Answer: More than 11.

Paul in RDU

September 28th, 2010
5:34 pm

I thought the whole point of your posts was to show that Auburn was the best team in the nation in 2004 – not just the best team in the SEC.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
5:35 pm

“Ok then, enlighten me. What WAS the point of this post if not to say that Oklahoma actually had fewer NFL ready players than Auburn:”

If I have to explain a simple point, that you obviously missed, then you seriously need to take a break from blogging.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
5:36 pm

“I thought the whole point of your posts was to show that Auburn was the best team in the nation in 2004 – not just the best team in the SEC.”

It was both, and now that USC has been proven to have cheated, Auburn can now say that.

Put Oklahoma’s and Auburn’s schedule side by side and it’s a no brainer.

Paul in RDU

September 28th, 2010
5:36 pm

Interesting point about the 2004 draft – the most successful first round pick from Miami actually went to the other Miami – the one in OH

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
5:38 pm

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
4:10 pm
“How was 2004 the shaftfor Aubie?”

Gee, I don’t know, Einstein. (sarcasm)

Could it be that Auburn went undefeated in the SEC, beat 5 top 25 teams, set an all-time NFL recruiting record etc?????????

Yeah, I can’t imagine how Auburn got screwed? (sarcasm)

Sure sounds like you’re suggesting that the drafted players prove they were screwed.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
5:38 pm

“Interesting point about the 2004 draft – the most successful first round pick from Miami actually went to the other Miami – the one in OH”

Interesting, since it’s the 2005 draft we’re talking about.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
5:39 pm

“Sure sounds like you’re suggesting that the drafted players prove they were screwed.”

Like I said, I was only pointing out Auburn’s set of accomplishments.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
5:40 pm

“Miami actually went to the other Miami – the one in OH”

The rapist?

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
5:40 pm

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
5:35 pm
“Ok then, enlighten me. What WAS the point of this post if not to say that Oklahoma actually had fewer NFL ready players than Auburn:”

If I have to explain a simple point, that you obviously missed, then you seriously need to take a break from blogging.

Nice try, petulant one. If there is another point then make it. There’s no other way to look at that statement.

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
5:41 pm

Nobody can take away their accomplishments. That doesn’t make them one of the two best teams though.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
5:41 pm

“Nice try, petulant one. If there is another point then make it. There’s no other way to look at that statement.”

Not my problem if you can’t comprehend simple sentences.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
5:42 pm

“That doesn’t make them one of the two best teams though.”

Ah, so an undefeated Auburn squad, who beat 5 top 25 teams and is one of only 4 SEC schools to go undefeated in 30 years……….isn’t one of the best teams.

Bama logic = utter stupidity.

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
5:44 pm

To play your game, if you put all those players above in the 2004 draft, what does that equal, genius?

Answer: More than 11.

The “11″ references the number of players drafted by Oklahoma that year. Your suggestion was that Auburn had more NFL draftees finish school later, offsetting the diffference. If there’s another point then make it, because your argument is looking pretty weak right now.

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
5:47 pm

Not that year. not when you had an OU team with eleven juniors and seniors who would be selected in the upcoming draft plus a Heisman QB and freshman Adrian Peterson. They may have been one of the top teams of the decade, doesn’t mean they weren’t third best that season.

They finished number two. Add that to the list of accomplishments, it’s a good one.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
5:47 pm

“If there’s another point then make it, because your argument is looking pretty weak right now.”

You stated that Oklahoma had 11 players drafted in 2005. I stated that Auburn had 4 go in the first round in 2005. You then wrote a smart @ss reply about how Oklahoma had more go in the draft that year which I stated that Auburn didn’t have as many because there were players who did not finish school that year.

Now, if you have half a brain, you can see where this is going.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
5:48 pm

“Not that year. not when you had an OU team with eleven juniors and seniors who would be selected in the upcoming draft plus a Heisman QB and freshman Adrian Peterson. They may have been one of the top teams of the decade, doesn’t mean they weren’t third best that season.”

And that “awesome” team as you call them, played ONE ranked team all year before getting destroyed by USC.

“They finished number two. Add that to the list of accomplishments, it’s a good one.”

To a team that got it’s title taken away and Heisman stripped from their star running back.

Nuff said.

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
5:53 pm

Yes, I have a brain…

but where it’s going is that Oklahoma had just as many that didn’t finish that year. That argument goes in OU’s favor every time.

Strength of schedule isn’t everything- OU can hardly help it that Texas and Nebraska were both in the crapper. The Big 12 is traditionally a power conference that happened to be down. Auburn had a great year in 2004 even though talent-wise they didn’t match up top to bottom with USC and OU.

BAMA dude

September 28th, 2010
5:54 pm

On another note, I have wasted enough time on this. Later.

Not Pat Sulley

September 28th, 2010
5:56 pm

“Strength of schedule isn’t everything”

LOL!!!!! That MUST be why people say that Auburn was left out because they played the Citadel.

“Auburn had a great year in 2004 even though talent-wise they didn’t match up top to bottom with USC and OU.”

More Bama logic.

Tide Rising

September 28th, 2010
5:57 pm

For a long time it seemed that the ususal daily tit for tats were dawg and Tech fans. Its refreshing to see that its back to being Bama vs AU fans going at it. The dawg and Tech fans have been strangely absent.

Not Pat Sulley,

I have to admit that I’m disappointed. I did crack up when I saw you start replying ma’am to people in your retorts. But I’ve yet to see your “You have the intelligence of a carrot” zinger to someone. You holding back on us or what?

Jake

September 28th, 2010
6:06 pm

So, Tony you just want a final 4 play-off. This is bull, what a whimp play off you want. I guess the boys like App State have different books and the D-1 colleges have it much harder in the class rooms than D-2 schools. D-2 has real play offs, but I guess your right it would be too harsh on the D-1 boys.

Paul in RDU

September 28th, 2010
6:29 pm

Jake – You didn’t know that the Ivy League, Davidson, Lafayette, Lehigh, Elon, etc. are easy academically?

NERDS!!! 30-24!!!

September 28th, 2010
6:31 pm

1) GEORGIA DAWGS

That’s all the matters!

TampaGator

September 28th, 2010
6:47 pm

Crimson Truth…Florida might only score 13 points but I don’t think Bamna scores 34 on the Gators defense….which is better than Bama’s defense right now. Of course, Bama’s offense is better than Florida’s offense right now. Florida’s defense is fast, it is physical, and it is deep…especially on the defensive line where they go 3 deep with talented players at every position along the line. I will be surprised if Bama runs the ball of Florida like they did in the championship game. I also think Bama is going to have to throw the ball if they are going to win the game with offense. On the other hand, if Brantley and crew come out firing on all cylinders, Florida could turn your prediction around…but it would be Florida 21 and Bama 17. I don’t think either team scores 30 in this game…but you never know…particularly if one team forces a bunch of turnovers. I believe Florida has improved enough to upset the Tide on Saturday….but I still think the Tide should be favored to win at this point.

But those picking LSU to win in the Swamp….I don’t think so…win or lose against Bama.

dawgmatic

September 28th, 2010
6:48 pm

Where was tech in those standings? They don’t rank middle school offenses and empty stadiums anymore?

TampaGator

September 28th, 2010
6:50 pm

Who is Georgia playing this weekend? Colorado. Better win that one or Richt and Bobo might resign on Monday…or be slobbered to death by “foaming at the mouth” Dawg fans.

Tim

September 28th, 2010
6:59 pm

Alabama is good, but lets please put this “as good as last year” talk to rest, they are not. It is about 50/50 who wins between them and Florida. The week after, South Carolina plays them at home. a week off while Bama is playing Florida after Arkansas. South Carolina should beat Bama. It is very possible that Bama loses two close one’s back to back.

TrishaDishaWarEagle

September 28th, 2010
7:01 pm

I do not compare our(AU) program to Alabama..you have the most championships in div 1 football. I complained that we (especially 2004) go undefeated while the national attention slobbers over usc with a QB who has completed about 5 passes in 5 years in the nfl, and ohio state, the perenial loser to the SEC team in the BCS championship game.

That being said, I went to AU for an education, and I am proud of my BSME degree.

Maybe it’s the small media market..but I can’t Imagine state college, PA is a huge market and even they get the benefit of the doubt..

And there is a lot to say for not having spent 4 years in a town decked out in houndstooth plaid and elephants.

Oh well, After we beat Bama in the Iron Bowl Nov 26, I will continue the discussion:)

TrishaDishaWarEagle

September 28th, 2010
7:07 pm

and btw i stand corrected UGA was undefeated in 1980..I don’t hate UGA, it’s just an easy target:)

butt hurt Aints fan

September 28th, 2010
7:16 pm

Which way to the WHO DAT cry party?

jumbeauxtiger

September 28th, 2010
7:35 pm

TampaGator,

I am just curious what your explanation is for the Florida’s offense slow start this year. You mentioned numerous times in the offseason that this year’s offense would be much better than last year.

Personally I thought Tebow would be tough to replace.

STUNG AGAIN!!!

September 28th, 2010
7:54 pm

NOT PAT SULLEY= TYPICAL BARNNER WIDOW LICKER!! ALWAY’S SUCKIN’ HIND TIT & PISSED ABOUT IT B/C IT AIN’T EVER GONNA CHANGE!!!

Coach O

September 28th, 2010
8:07 pm

@Not Pat Sulley

You had everyone on this blog fooled into thinking that you were a normal CFB fan until you let the Bama fans make you cry and pee your panties.

TampaGator

September 28th, 2010
9:34 pm

jumbeauxtiger…..

13 snap issues in game one cause a complete offensive breakdown. Injuries to the offensive line and some more snap issues caused issues in game two. The offense got better in game three but still did not have an healthy offensive line. In game four, against a good Kentucky team, the offensive line had all the starters back in place for the first time and Brantley felt comfortable for the first time…and the offense played very well. Brantley, when he has received a good snap and received good blocking up front, has been on and precise with his passes. Last Saturday, he looked like a polished, seasoned veteran…and I think he will just get better and better as the season goes along….and Carl Moore, Deonte Thompson, and now Andre Debose are starting to have an impact that I expected they would. Plus…now…you add the “Tebow-like” ingredient in sort yardage situations…Trey Burton…and you have the potential to be much better than last year….and Florida’s offense was really not that good last year and seen in the SEC championship game. And Demps is better than last year. Moody is better than last year. Gillislee is better than last year….and….well….I still believe the offense will be a lot better than last year. It has just taking more time than I thought it would….for reasons I did not think would happen…the snaps and the injuries to the OL. And when Matt Patchan returns as the #1 backup offensive tackle (and he would start on any other OL in the country) to …the Gators might just have the best and deepest OL in the country…which will make the offense even better.

The defense….by the way….is currently playing like the best defense in the country….ask Kentucky’s talented playmakers who were nearly completely shut down when the game was on the line by the Gator D. The D is really, really talented and really, really deep with big, fast, tough….and big time type players….everywhere.

Lee Barton

September 28th, 2010
9:55 pm

Does anyone think that Ohio State, Alabama, Florida or Oklahoma would consider wins over Va Tech or Oregon State as the signature wins on their schedule…..The Harlem Globetrotters don’t lose, but no one is lobbying for the to play the Heat next year for the championship. Schedule matters.

Mike Bobo 17 INT

September 28th, 2010
10:20 pm

Tony Baby!!! Your predictions on the Dogs have misfired over the the past 2 weeks…..where are you now?

Chuck Uga

September 28th, 2010
11:35 pm

I find it funny that Mr. Barnhart says not to blame Richt because he doesn’t have the material on hand to run a 3-4. Well Tony, let’s give him another 2-3 years to get those players meanwhile let’s just act like it’s the old Dooley days of the 1970’s and suck up 7-5, 6-6 or 5-7 seasons until then. You of all people know that he can’t get the players he needs for 2011! True freshmen on a D-line?! Never mind all the other SEC programs around us who turn around their programs in 2 years! Then again, this is Georgia where the number of hayseed fans rationalize stupidity, delusion and ignorance with the best of them. Unless this team somehow wins 7 games, my donations and season ticket purchase will end after 17 years.

jumbeauxtiger

September 28th, 2010
11:38 pm

TampaGator,

I didn’t realize you had that many mishandled snaps, geez. You will need your offense to come together on Saturday. If you do then I think you have a good chance.

I think our D is playing just as well as yours. Now our offense is another story.

We have been successful running the ball so far but we won’t be able to do that on the Gators. If we can’t throw least in a controlled passing game like Bama does, we won’t stand a chance in the Swamp.

Swampie

September 29th, 2010
12:31 am

I am not sure Alabama can escape their schedule this year with a 12-0 record.

They managed to beat the drums and make the second half surge for the comeback against a good Arkansas team who probably just couldn’t deal with the lead.

But one of these games the drums will beat, the Tide will try and roll out but it just won’t be there. Another team like Auburn or South Carolina or Florida will have that emotional edge that can help propel underdog teams in college football to achieve incredible feats.

Sure Alabama has the best pair of backs in the NCAA and perhaps the best pair in college history. But there are places where Alabama just isn’t as deep as last year. And Arkansas proved they are vulnerable.

Lets face it the Hogs were the first big test for Alabama this year, not Penn State. Alabama wasn’t flat in the first half, they weren’t uninspired, they just couldn’t match the inspired play of Arkansas.

After halftime and a big time butt chew’n by Nick Saban, you did see the look on his face as he left the field at the end of the first half didn’t you. Alabama came out and out fought the hopeless Hogs in the second half.

Alabama was able to finish, Arkansas didn’t know how too. But if learning how to out tough your opponent was all there was to it teams like Alabama should have ascended to that point years ago and never lost again.

The trick is toughness can be overcome by a team on a mission with extreme emotion. Sooner or later that emotional battle will be lost. Florida lost it to Alabama last year with their worst game of 2009, go back and count all those dropped passes by Gator receivers, they were sure handed and didn’t drop that many all year long.

It’s going to happen to Bama this year, I’m just sitting back to see who does it?

12-2

September 29th, 2010
3:33 am

PLAY-OFFS Tony Blowhart ?

First round of 2-team play-off.

Play-OffS would be MORE than 2 teams in but 1 game, idiot.

Leave the s off play-off and you would be correct for the 1st time, ever on ANYTHING.

BoWeevil

September 29th, 2010
3:34 am

We know it is NOT Georgia.

Doc

September 29th, 2010
3:51 am

UTAH should beat three of the teams in the top five.

Palladin

September 29th, 2010
6:55 am

@Doc

I agree. Utah should put those teams on their schedule.

[...] The regular season is a playoff: But it’s not like basketball because the top seeds repeatedly get a harder road to the championship. At year’s end, will Boise or TCU have played a ranked team? Will Ohio State have played anyone in the top 10? It might be a little tougher to get out of the Pac-10 and Big 12 this year, but how many SEC teams will finish in the top 5 AGAIN? Tony Barnhart recognizes the difference. [...]

h8uat

September 29th, 2010
9:55 am

Regarding BYU going independent, with its in-state rival’ Utah’s recent success already hurting BYU in recruiting, and now its pending move to the PAC-12, BYU had to do something before the bottom fell out or risk becoming not only a second-tier program nationally but in its own state. I’m not saying going independent will work, but it seemed to get a good TV contract done before tanking this season. It seemed pretty shrewd on BYU’s part to recognize that it was now or never. It still may not work out for BYU, but I think if it waited, it’s chances were much more grim than going independent.

KeepPaulJohnson.com

September 29th, 2010
1:18 pm

Beast, I think if Florida can get out to a good lead, they can hold it. Arkansas is not used to winning so they pissed away their lead and didn’t hold tough. Don’t think the Gators will do that.

Palladin, …another advantage Auburn has over LSU is coaching. Les Miles is horrible.

wheelz007, Florida might lose to Alabama, but no way they’ll lose to LSU.

Old School, Texas has the talent to beat OU, but after watching them play last week, they have the potential to lose to anybody.