Is this going to be 2004 all over again?

 

Nobody asked me but:

1. I know it’s early, but it’s starting to look like 2004 again: Remember 2004? Well Auburn sure does. That was the year that USC and Oklahoma started 1-2 in the polls and never lost. Auburn started at No. 17, got to be No. 2 for a week, but in the end it was USC and Oklahoma playing for the championship with Auburn playing the odd man out.

Have you looked at the gap between Alabama, Ohio State, and everybody else in the coaches poll? Alabama got 55 first-place votes after its impressive win over Penn State. Ohio State handled Miami easily and got the other four first-place votes. There are 132 points between No. 2 Ohio State and No. 3 Boise State. That is a very wide gap.

 Here is the point: If Alabama and Ohio State win out, I don’t think anybody, including Boise, cracks the top two.

Again, I know it’s early.  It’s just something to think about.

2. It’s time for LSU to bring back Jarrett Lee: I like Jordan Jefferson. He’s a nice kid with good athletic ability. But the fact is that LSU is not going to go where it needs to go with him at quarterback. Jefferson completed only eight of 20 passes for 96 yards and no touchdowns in last Saturday’s win over Vanderbilt. Even Les Miles, who has been very patient with Jefferson, knows he has to get more from his quarterback if the Tigers are going to think about competing  for the SEC West title. Miles said the coaches would evaluate the quarterback position this week. “Frankly we’re going to expect more out of the position, period,” he said.  By Tuesday he had sort of backed away from that statement. Jefferson is his guy–for now.

Lee had a nightmare of a season in 2008 when he had six interceptions returned for touchdowns and 16 interceptions total. But the fact is the kid has a good arm and just needs help rebuilding his confidence. That is what coaches are for. Lee needs to see the field Saturday against Mississippi State.

 

3. Florida just needs to get the ball to No. 2: Florida may have found its offensive identity post-Tim Tebow in last week’s win over South Florida. Jeff Demps averaged 12.6 yards every time he touched the ball against the Bulls and had 255 all-purpose yards. Florida had 251 yards rushing and 172 passing. Rather than ask John Brantley to throw it all over the ballpark, the Gators probably just need to get the ball to Demps a whole lot.

You have to get the ball to Demps because it looks like Chris Rainey is not going to be around. Rainey was arrested on felony stalking charges early Tuesday morning. According to arrest records, Rainey texted the message “Time to Die” to a female who he has been dating, according to reports in the Gainesville Sun and the Orlando Sentinel. That arrest report is a matter of public record.

I’m going to see how this plays out and so I’m only going to say this:

IF the arrest record is completely accurate and Rainey did send that message to the female, regardless of their relationship, he should be done as a college football player. Period. If I’m the father of that girl, and some harm comes to my daughter because this is not handled properly, I will soon own a big chunk of the University of Florida. I have zero tolerance for men threatening women. And if some yahoo calls to harrass and intimidate the woman because he’s worried about his precious football team, then that person is going to be tracked down and prosecuted as well.

And I sure as hell don’t want to hear from Rainey’s lawyer, Huntley Johnson, Jr.,  who told the Orlando Sentinel : “I think he’s a hell of a nice young man and I assure you that he wold never hurt this woman.”

I hope you’ll understand, Mr. Johnson, if we’re not quite willing to take your word on that.

 

4. The 102 points scored in Wake Forest’s 54-48 win over Duke last Saturday in Winston-Salem was the SECOND highest total ever in an ACC game. The highest scoring ACC game ever came in 1981 when Clemson beat Wake Forest 82-24 in Death Valley. I was there.

That was Clemson’s national championship season. Al Groh, now the defensive coordinator at Georgia Tech, was the head coach at Wake Forest. What I remember was Clemson’s mascot, dressed in a Tiger suit, who would do pushups to match the home team’s points every time they scored. His name was Ricky Capps and as the score kept growing he was getting pretty gassed. When Clemson got to 76 points the Demon Deacon mascot of Wake Forest gave Capps a break and did the 76 for him. Capps did 435 pushups that day.

5. Kudos to Duke for keeping Bama game in Durham: After playing Duke at home in 2006, Alabama is returning the game this Saturday at Wallace Wade Stadium in Durham, which seats 33,941. Duke had the option of moving the game to Charlotte and a 73,000 seat NFL Stadium. It would have been a nice payday because the place would have been full with Alabama fans. But Duke head coach David Cutliffe, a 1976 graduate of Alabama who was a graduate assistant to Bear Bryant, realized how important this game was to the building of his program. “Some things,” said Cutcliffe, “are more important than money.”

An extra 3,900 seats will be brought in for Saturday’s game. Alabama fans will get another nostalgia trip as Duke’s Stadium is named after the man who won three national championships as the Crimson Tide’s head coach from 1923-30. Wade left Alabama for Duke in 1931.

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250 comments Add your comment

help, I live in Ga

September 15th, 2010
11:49 am

G8R Grad–I’m sure those calls aren’t coming from UF Grads. You’d have to think they are coming from UF Students. Either way, I don’t think you kick the guy off the team. You would have to look at the kids record.
A bigger question: What do you think Mr. Barnhart would have said if this was a Georgia player. It’s amazing to me that when a AJ Green takes money from an agent, that TB goes nuts on the NCAA infractions committee. HE TOOK MONEY FROM AN AGENT!!!!! And all Tony can talk about is how UNFAIR it is for poor little non-professional athletes, that they don’t get MORE money from their schools when the schools profit on their jersey sales. TB’s response to this incident is driven by homer-ism–yet again.

help, I live in Ga

September 15th, 2010
11:52 am

And BTW TB, I thought the NCAA lady on your show last night did an excellent job of explainig why she couldn’t disclose more on the AJ Green decision. The players right to privacy. If you want to know more, why the heck don’t you ask AJ? If he won’t answer, try paying him for the interview!!

Gen Neyland

September 15th, 2010
11:55 am

SecGuy : Myles was sent packing. The rest have no charges or have been sentenced to whatever was deemed necessary judgement, or so I understand. I was embarrassed by the original story and am embarrassed that it occured in whatever shape, form or fashion as it did Atop Rocky. To continue to look back at the Tennessee event and compare it to any problem elsewhere is nothing more than subjective innuendo and serves no purpose other than comparing apples to oranges. Unless anything new arises from the Tennesee event, it’s over for me.

Mobile Dawg : Shoot, if CDD needs some of my Sippin’ Solvent he need go no further than his mama’s kitchen cabinet as she’s a regular subscriber to our late night deliveries (how come you think she’s so darn entertaining..?) Tennessee hung with Oregon for better than a half. ST mistakes killed us along with the Simms interception. As UT was driving at that point, down by what, 13-14, a score there would have pulled us within reach. But the 7 point swing went the other way and killed the Vols. Heck, the Ducks no-huddle alone had a huge impact on the lack of defensive depth and killed them there, too. Sneak up on Alabama..? Naw.

gdawginkalamazoo

September 15th, 2010
12:03 pm

help I live in GA, along with AJ this guy that bought the jersey dealt with star players from SC, Bama and NC. Should all those kids be cut loose? I don’t recall any death threats being mentioned in those instances. They have rules and they have penalties for breaking those rules. AJ broke a rule and he is sitting for 4 games. That’s fair.
I don’t know the NCAA rule for making a death threat is so the Rainey case is up in the air. Sad all the way a round.

DP

September 15th, 2010
12:06 pm

It’s not just Texas that would pass Boise State in the polls. Any undefeated team from the SEC, Big 10, Big 12 or Pac 10 will move past Boise State by November based on the computer rankings which consider strength of schedule. That includes teams currently outside the top 10 like South Carolina, Arkansas, Auburn, LSU, Stanford, Texas Tech, etc.

Auburn was blocked in 2004 by 2 teams that were ranked high early AND ran the table in major BCS conferences, USC and Oklahoma. Had Boise State been in the place of one of those 2, Auburn would have moved right past them to play in the BCS championship game no matter how low they were in the rankings at the beginning of the year.

Every undefeated team in the BCS conferences controls its own destiny to the BCS championship game unless more than 2 of them end the season undefeated.

Delbert D.

September 15th, 2010
12:14 pm

I took a hard look at the Steelers’ roster yesterday, since they a) run a 3-4,
and b) since they stuffed the Falcons’ offense. Since I put it on a spreadsheet, I
tabulated a “Which school to play for to make the Steelers’ roster” and a breakdown
by conference on their 53-man roster. Useful? Ehhh…

Steelers Roster by School

Texas_____3
BYU______2
Clemson___2
Florida____2
FSU______2
Ga. Tech__2
Marshall___2
Michigan___2
UNC______2
Ohio St.___2
Utah______2
Virginia____2

Steelers Roster by Conference

ACC________11
Big Ten______9
SEC________7
Big-12______5
C-USA______4
MWC_______4
PAC-10_____4
MAC_______3
Big East____2
Sun Belt____1
IND________1
Div II_______1

help, I live in Ga

September 15th, 2010
12:14 pm

DP, the NCAA doesn’t catch everybody that cheats. But that’s not a very good arguement for the ones that got caught. I just couldn’t believe that Tony was still crying about how wrong the universities were for making money off these poor athletes. If I’m AJ, and I’m reading this nonsense, I’m thinking, “you know, Tony’s right, Anybody want to buy my Independance Bowl Jersey from 2010?” (sorry Dawgs)
That’s how these kids grow up. Coaches and fans repeatedly defend them when they do something wrong. They begin to think they don’t have to follow rules. So many of them don’t.

Dontavius Supremo

September 15th, 2010
12:24 pm

Good for Coach Cutcliffe; his is a voice crying on the wilderness of dollar dominated college football today.

G8R GRAD

September 15th, 2010
12:25 pm

help:

” . . all Tony can talk about is how UNFAIR it is for poor little non-professional athletes, that they don’t get MORE money from their schools when the schools profit on their jersey sales.”

It was all he spoke about on his last show.
Ironically, it seems as though TB is lobbying to pay college (amature) athletes and as a consequence would, therefore, be encouraging the formation of the inevitable College Football Players Union!

OH, THE HUMANITY!

Auburn Pride

September 15th, 2010
12:26 pm

Not so fast – I see where you are coming from – but teams go in cycles – and Auburn is on the up cycle.

It will not be easy – as we wil lhave our hands full with LSU and UGA – but not as concerned with these teams.

The teams I am more concerned with are Arkansas, South Carolina and Alabama.

gcs

September 15th, 2010
12:30 pm

1. Auburn did not get a shot in 2004 for the same reason Boise will not this year: WEAK schedule. You are right, it is early. I would not count out Oregon or Oklahoma just yet.
2. Can LSU bring back Matt Mauck?
3. You are spot on about Demps. He sparked both wins. If I was an opposing coach, I’d be figuring a way to shut him down.
4. Wake & Duke should join the Big XII: all O, no D.
5. I hear Duke is bringing in folding chairs and milk crates to accommodate the onslaught of Tide fans. Should’ve played in Charlotte.

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Bryant

September 15th, 2010
12:31 pm

Tony have you noticed how every day someone goes on and on about how Saban is moving. It is so funny, instead of focusing on their own team they are worried about what is going on at Alabama. Saban is not going anywhere he has the finest facillities in the land and money is not an object. Get used to it folks the next few years we are only going to get better.

help, I live in Ga

September 15th, 2010
12:35 pm

G8R,
Tony only wants to pay college players this week. If a player from one of his rivals–FL,SC, TN does the same thing next week, he’ll be calling for thier heads. If a Ga player committed the infamous “text threat”, he’d go into a dissertation on the problems associated with texting and how they ought to be private. He’d say, the kid was taken out of context and the NCAA should give him a reward for being able to spell correctly. It’s not the kids fault–if he ain’t from GA.

gdawginkalamazoo

September 15th, 2010
12:36 pm

Delbert D., damn you have a lot of time on your hands. If you want to be a future hall of fame receiver for the Steelers you go to UGA.

dawg in gatorville

September 15th, 2010
12:42 pm

I am a Dawg fan, but I am very sad to see this situation about Rainey at UF. But I will say this, if the kid as not had other troubles, and he did not harm this young lady, then maybe suspend him and get him some help before you through him out. Just my thoughts.
Lots of young men make mistakes by saying things with out thought.
But in the end, he did not act on what he said.

Dawg H8R

September 15th, 2010
12:42 pm

kalamazoo is a sh!t hole! No wonder they have dawgs there!

Brave Hokie

September 15th, 2010
12:44 pm

Good Luck Dook…

‘About all the ACC has to pull for at this point in such a LONG season…

{boring place to see a game BTW}

Dawg H8R

September 15th, 2010
12:45 pm

dawg in gatorville- If this dirtbag didn’t play FOOTBALL, would he get the violin treatment? No need for melodrama, Oscar Meyer should fired and FLA should forfeit all games under this BS artist.

Deena

September 15th, 2010
12:46 pm

I love how Tony calls for other school’s players to be expelled but for thUGA he victimizes the perps. I agree, Rainey should be let go. And the new thUGA AD should clean his house of criminal players, because Richt won’t. What a joke Tony and UGA.

You are entirely correct about Richt. And all the lack of discipline and the arrests at UGA are because of Richt.

Fire Richt now before UGA goes completely in the toilet.

Dawg H8R

September 15th, 2010
12:49 pm

help, I live in Ga- I agree. For years while I lived in Ga I would hear Barnhart,Max Howell and that Morgan moron laugh their asses off at the idea that jawja could lose to SC! Laughing! Laughing!!
Now with the christian shield that protects jawja finally eroding, jawja can finally get their comeuppance! Comeuppance!!

GTBob

September 15th, 2010
12:50 pm

If Ohio St and Alabama go undefeated then it is obvious they will play for the MNC. Its a shame, but its probably going to happen. If anybody else goes undefeated then we will have another season of not truly knowing who was the best team.

Dawg H8R

September 15th, 2010
12:51 pm

Has DawgNation finally accepted losing to the yard birds?

Legally speaking

September 15th, 2010
12:53 pm

Why would Florida have any liability to the girl or her father if they played Rainey?

help, I live in Ga

September 15th, 2010
12:56 pm

H8R,
Funny you should mention the SC-GA game. I watched the SC-GA game, the fist half of Fl-South Fl game. My conclusion–SC wins the east. I didn’t attend Fl or SC–yet I’m a fan of the ole Ball Coach so I’m happy to see this. Call him what you will but he’s an old school coach who has been hoping for the talent to surface at SC. And boy has it surfaced. I think he runs the table in the east but nobody beats bama this year. Bama, with a smart, seasoned QB and strength at nearly every position, great coaching and keys to the state. How you gonna beat that? I bet SC gives em a good game though. This is all good for the SEC.

TheTaxJacket

September 15th, 2010
12:57 pm

*** Nesbitt for Heismen ***

(((( 45 – 42 ))))

UGA Suckups

September 15th, 2010
12:59 pm

Tony B and the AJC: Mouthpiece for their beloved Ga bulldogs.

help, I live in Ga

September 15th, 2010
1:02 pm

Deena,

I hope they fire Richt sooner than later because around yr 3 in Coach D Dooleys career in Knoxville, the SEC will start to realize that he is a very good coach and more importantly–a program builder. If Richt makes it that long, you know UGA will be calling Dooley and tugging at the heart strings to bring him home.

Dawg H8R

September 15th, 2010
1:02 pm

help, I live in Ga- Good stuff! I will be pissy drunk for that ALA-SC game no doubt! Spurrier still coached with what he had, and you can still say he can coach! Can you give Richt the same credit?
HELL NO!!!! Also, be careful you may be blacklisted for fraternizing with THE DAWG H8R!!!!!

Dawg H8R

September 15th, 2010
1:06 pm

I agree that Lil’ Dooley will be on the Christmas list if/when they run off Richt. Lunch is over. Later.

gdawginkalamazoo

September 15th, 2010
1:19 pm

DAWG H8TR, LMAO! Kalamazoo doesn’t even exist.

rick

September 15th, 2010
1:23 pm

you could be right Tony

bhm

September 15th, 2010
1:23 pm

I’ve not read the police report. How do you know Rainey wasn’t referring to himself? There are two types of extreme people in this sense. Those who hurt others and those who hurt themselves.

mellow yellow

September 15th, 2010
1:24 pm

Goooooooooooooooo G.A.Y. Hawks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tony Barnhart

September 15th, 2010
1:24 pm

HAIL TO THE VICTORS VALIANT!

GO BLUE!

DDPO

September 15th, 2010
1:30 pm

I agree. Pollack would appear to be a great hire. He does seem to have all of the answers for every team in the nation. Let’s sign him up today!!!

cajdawg

September 15th, 2010
1:35 pm

Saban is gone after this year. 2011 coach of the Cowboys.

Delbert D.

September 15th, 2010
1:50 pm

The same “pay the players” spiel that has been going on since at least the 1960s. I would agree to pay-for-play under the following condition: Private funding, no affiliation with the university whose facilities are rented (including all facilities improvement and maintenance costs.)

Thus, the “Bulldogs” would not be affiliated with the University of Georgia, and the “Yellow Jackets” would not be affiliated with the Georgia Institute of Technology.

Presumably, the former college football teams would be funded by professional football leagues as minor league professional football.

I don’t see how the economics would work. Pro leagues would be responsible for player recruiting and development. They don’t need 120 Div. I teams/locations, not to mention Div. Iaa, Div. II and Div III. The World Football League and other NFL developmental leagues have been financial failures.

The benefit to the educational institutions is there would be no more of the so-called “student-athlete sham.”

The Alternatives:

1) A much better idea is for the universities to require student-athletes to meet full requirements for admission with no special qualifiers and with no tutoring except that which is provided to all students. Over 4 or 5 year periods, the student-athletes metrics for SAT scores, graduation rates and grade-point average must fall within defined limits of the regular student population. Student-athletes must be treated as part of the overall student population, not as exceptions. How an 18 to 21-year old gets “developed” sufficiently to perform in a professional sports league is not the responsibility of a university.

2) The do-nothing alternative is no change to the existing system. Academically substandard (some, not all not are not appropriate for college-level academic work) student-athletes are placed in a situation where their primary responsibility (at many schools) is to provide entertainment at high performance levels (like professional teams) until such time that they graduate, leave voluntarily or exhaust their eligibility to maintain their “scholarship.” Many are simply attendees who have little interest in obtaining a higher education. Paid coaches and administrators manage these student-athletes during their time at the school.

Those are the starkly contrasting limits. Can there really be solutions within those limiting cases?

jumbeauxtiger

September 15th, 2010
1:51 pm

Paul,

Thanks for the correction. I knew that Duke is in Durham and wasn’t thinking.

DP,

Good post at 10:34.

jumbeauxtiger

September 15th, 2010
1:56 pm

We heard about Saban leaving for years while he was at LSU.

That comes with the territory and is a good problem to have because that means you are winning championships.

Cleveland Brown

September 15th, 2010
2:13 pm

The onliest way you stupid fleabags is ever gonna win at anything is to fire that wuss coach you got. Gittin rid of Spurrier Sabanmeyer ain’t gone fix squatch.

ATLNative

September 15th, 2010
2:23 pm

As an AU grad who LOVES watching Boise St play against big schools… they will get hosed if Bama and OU run the table. I feel for them and think they’re doing everything they can to make a case for their program, but even the Mountain West isn’t a big enough jump in 2011. They should have begged, borrowed, and stole to get in the PAC-10. I think the only comparison to my 2004 Tigers is that both teams played VT – just VT was better in 2004.

I think CMR is an incredibly decent human being who has represented UGA well. I also think he needs to get control of his team or start polishing his resume. UGA has a way of salvaging a season and they keep smacking AU around every year, so CMR’s got some things to hang his hat on. But as of right now, I can see why the Dawg Nation is barking loudly.

gdawginkalamazoo

September 15th, 2010
2:24 pm

jumbeauxtiger, funny when Saban was at Michigan State we always heard that he was going to be around and make that program the tops in the state.

jc_atl

September 15th, 2010
2:40 pm

I’m already getting sleepy at the prospect of watching Alabama crush OSU in the anti-climactic, week after New Year’s Day MNC game. Let’s face it, the Big 10 has one credible competitor in OSU, but even them Bama, injuries, suspensions, etc notwithstanding, will beat them badly. Perhaps not as badly as PSU, but then in a NC game you don’t call off the dogs until you’re way more than 3 TD’s ahead. Bama went easy on PSU, and I’m sure Saban has a lot of justified respect for a classy act like Paterno, despite the fact that he should have retired years ago.

boots

September 15th, 2010
2:42 pm

Does the Zone pay the AJC for the advertising? Tony, if you want listeners, have the station put a few more batteries in their broadcast engine so we can pick up the station outside of 285.

dawgfacedboy

September 15th, 2010
2:48 pm

Considering the only team ranked in the top 50 that Boise will play just lost to a 1-AA team I don’t think they should be in the top 15. Make them join a major conference. If they go 12-0 i’ll change my opinion.

If App St. and James Madison can go into major D-1 programs houses and win a fluke game then Boise St. sure as hell can as well.

alex

September 15th, 2010
3:10 pm

ROOOLL TIDE!

Paul in RDU

September 15th, 2010
3:16 pm

jc_atl – JoePa should have retired years ago? He’s 51-13 in the last 5 years (not including 2010)
Richt is 48-17 in the same time frame. Meyer, Tressell and Brown have better records than him, but that’s about it

OB-1

September 15th, 2010
3:38 pm

gdawginkalamazoo, if you want to be a Hall Of Fame tightend go to UVA.

G8R GRAD

September 15th, 2010
3:39 pm

It’s time SOMEBODY published the first part of the ploice report, to wit:

“On the above date and time, the Vic[tim][sic] was sleeping and missed a phone call from the Def[endant][sic]. The Def texted the Vic, “you don’t care about me,” at approximately 2230hrs. The Vic told the Def to go to bed and leave her alone.”

Not exactly a threatening communication.
Just sounds like a kid who just might have been in a whole lot of pain.

I’m not sayin’, I’m just sayin’

5IML

September 15th, 2010
3:45 pm

G8R,

It appears you left a part out:

At 23:10 hours, the Def. showed up at the Vic’s residence and continued calling and texting the Vic. The Def. texted back, “I will not open the door.” The Def. replied, “I’m here and I will bust out the window.” The Vic. texted back, “I’m calling the cops.” At approximately 23:20 hours, the Vic went outside to talk to the Def. After approximately 10 minutes, the Def. became irate and the Vic. told the Def. to leave. The Vic. went back inside her residence. At approximately 23:47 hours, the Def. texted the Vic, “Don’t go a sleep,” and the Vic. went outside to make sure the Def. was gone. The Def. was gone and at approximately 00:22 hours, the Def. texted the Vic, “Time to Die B___h u and ur??” At this point, the Vic, fearing for her life and the life of her family called [police].”