The question: 12-0 Boise or 12-1 SEC, ACC champ?

I thought I had all my bases covered on Boise State yesterday. But for the past five seasons this football program has been a compelling thing to watch. Last night added yet another chapter to an incredible story and–I don’t think I’m overstating this–set the narrative for the rest of the 2010 college football season.

Yes, No. 5 Boise State beat Virginia Tech 33-30 Monday night in Landover, Md. But it wasn’t just the fact that the Broncos won. It was the WAY that they won. After coming out of the gate hard and knocking Virginia Tech back with a 17-0 run to open the game, the Hokies did what strong teams do. They settled down and began to grind it and wear Boise State down.

When Virginia Tech finally took the lead in the second half you expected Frank Beamer’s team to put the Broncos away. But there is a reason Boise State has won 50 games in the past four seasons plus this one night. They are poised. They are extremely well coached. And did I mention that they have a helluva quarterback?

Kellen Moore, who threw 39 touchdown passes and only three interceptions last season (that always looks like a typo when I see it) took his final opportunity and made the most of it Monday night in what was, for all intents and purposes, a road game.

Given the fact that EVERYTHING was on the line for Boise State’s season in that moment, Moore calmly and methodically drove his team down the field and delivered a 13-yard touchdown pass to Austin Pettis with only 1:09 left to win the game.

So let the debate begin anew. Let me refresh the argument based on what we saw last night.

If we get to the end of the season and there are multiple undefeated teams, one side of the argument says that Boise must be the odd man out because it did not play as tough a schedule as the SEC, ACC, Big Ten, or Big 12 conference champions.  Here are the pertinent numbers based on the CBSSports.com’s Top 120 that ranks every Division I-A team and its strength of schedule. These numbers were done before last night’s game.

TEAM………………………RANK………………………………SOS

VIRGINIA TECH…………..11……………………………..…….7

OREGON STATE………….17…………………………………..24

NEVADA……………………..41…………………………………..57

FRESNO STATE…………….48……………………….………69

WYOMING………………….62………………………………..59

IDAHO………………………..66……………….………………119

HAWAII………………………75………………………………..93

LA. TECH…………………….90………………………………..12

UTAH STATE………………..91…………………………..…114

TOLEDO………………………99………………………………76

SAN JOSE ST……………..110………………………………..20

NEW MEXICO ST………..112……………………………….98

Just look at the rankings and the SOS of the teams Boise plays after it faces Oregon State on Sept. 25. It is a very weak schedule because, after Boise, there aren’t many good teams in the WAC. That is a fact. Just look at those numbers and judge for yourself.

But here will be the Boise State side of this argument: Did you see us play? And if you did see us play is there any doubt, now that we are 50-4 since 2006, that we are a damned good team?

Boise State is a very good team. But there are a lot of very good teams out there. The question is: If you can only pick two teams to play for the BCS title, should Boise be one of them?

As I said yesterday, if we get to the end of the season and the SEC, ACC, Big 12, and Big Ten champs are all undefeated (that’s very unlikely, of course) then I don’t see the voters in the coaches and Harris polls telling one of the big boy conferences they have to make room for Boise. I could be wrong about that but I don’t think I am.

Where it gets fun, though, is if there are only two undefeated teams–Boise and somebody else–and if the SEC, ACC, Big Ten or Big 12 champ is 12-1 having played a conference championship game. We’ve seen those championship games push teams over the top of teams without championship games in the final BCS Standings (Remember Georgia in 2007?) THAT will be a fun argument.

But this much we do know. Boise is here and they are not going away if Oregon State doesn’t beat them on the blue rug on Sept. 25. With last night’s win the Broncos have earned the right to be in this argument.

Let the fun begin.

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442 comments Add your comment

TonyBFan

September 7th, 2010
7:42 am

I saw the WHOLE game. To the critics of the schedule, it’s now time to say, “Shut Up!!!”. Enough. Great game, I hated to see anyone walk out with a loss. Boise is real, they beefed up their o.o.c. schedule, so give them credit and play the games. Either that or give us a real play-off instead of these damn bowls.

TonyBFan

September 7th, 2010
7:44 am

Dern it. I was supposed to be a dumb-A again and go “First”. Sorry, I just wanted to contribute today….

Carey

September 7th, 2010
7:50 am

What really gets my goat about the whole mess is this: sports writers (in general, our host being a notable exception) go on and on about how Boise St deserves a shot even though they play a cupcake of a schedule. Then, they turn around and complain endlessly about how pathetic the SEC out-of-conference schedule is (even though Bama plays Penn State, Auburn plays Clemson, LSU plays WVU, and Florida and Georgia have regular ACC opponents)!

There needs to be some consistency. Teams that play tough conference schedules should be given a pass on their SJSU games OR they should be given a higher consideration when it comes to BCS selection.

Ramon Rodriguez

September 7th, 2010
7:53 am

Could Boise play a full SEC conf schedule and survive? Probably not but they are fun to watch.

Jim

September 7th, 2010
7:55 am

Wow….still no word on AJ Green….why isn’t the AJC doing ANY digging to see what the real story is? Why is CMR staying so silent? Interesting….but AJ said he was innocent….and yet the NCAA has not cleared his eligibility yet…..wow, that is a head scratcher.

SEC Fan

September 7th, 2010
7:55 am

Boise just proved last night that Va. Tech and the ACC are overrated. ACC is 0 – 2 in the big games so far this season.

Nesbitt for Heisman

September 7th, 2010
7:56 am

1 for 6, 8 yds and an INT.

Norman

September 7th, 2010
7:56 am

There won’t be a SEC team in the National Championship game this year! The other conferences are tired of seeing a SEC team playing in that game.

Aladawg

September 7th, 2010
7:58 am

Boise is not a national championship caliber team. The officials job on that last drive were a dream case for conspiracy theorists along with the final throw. They looked like SEC officials. The schedule is just too weak. I also hope that UGA doesn’t head to more patsy scheduling. As a season ticket holder for many years, I want to see competitive games not constant blow-outs.
Aladawg

SEC Fan

September 7th, 2010
7:59 am

norman…. ACC wont win the MNC because they are still choking.

JB

September 7th, 2010
8:01 am

The upside is that if they do run the table it helps with the playoff theory.

HBTD!!!

5IML

September 7th, 2010
8:04 am

Jim,

AJ might not have gone to the agent’s party in Miami but he could have had other dealings with agents. Once player started getting caught and spilling the beans, there were probably a lot of other things (besides that party) uncovered.

m

September 7th, 2010
8:05 am

Tony, what about mighty ole miss taking it on the chin. The sec sucks.

TS

September 7th, 2010
8:05 am

A SEC will be in the national championship game, period. Boise looked good last night, but I think they will get knocked off when they least expect it. To follow your favorite teams/players, check out myfanflash.com.

chilidawg

September 7th, 2010
8:07 am

In an effort to shrink our carbon footprint, the NCAA has cancelled football season and scheduled Boise State and TCU in the BCS championship game.

Spike

September 7th, 2010
8:07 am

Va. Tech choked again.

Kirk Herbstreit

September 7th, 2010
8:09 am

“All you coaches out there need to see that Boise State is the real deal!” God, why do I want Ohio State to play Boise State so bad in the BCS Championship game? Answer, they are not from the SEC.

UGA

September 7th, 2010
8:12 am

Is Boise State that team we beat like a drum in 2005 and it got the press coverage of beating a high school team? Yeah, it was a team lead by the Z-man who didn’t finish the game so his confidence wouldn’t be shattered.

Tom Crawford

September 7th, 2010
8:12 am

As usual, Tony, you’re asking the wrong question. It’s not a matter of whether you prefer Boise State or an SEC/ACC team. The real question is: how long will the corrupt, bowl-dominated BCS be allowed to continue denying players, coaches, and fans the opportunity to see the same kind of championship playoff that they are allowed to see in EVERY OTHER COLLEGE SPORT. That’s the question here. Until you ask it, Tony, you’re just kissing up to a corrupt and crooked BCS establishment.

Marietta

September 7th, 2010
8:17 am

the chokies are now 1-26 vs top 5 opponents…a nice program but clearly not elite

Dawg_Mike

September 7th, 2010
8:17 am

The Arena football league called VT last night- they want their uniforms back.

Not a Tech or UGA Fan.....

September 7th, 2010
8:18 am

I’m not sure if you can say Boise St won the game last night or VaTech’s coaching staff lost the game. First off VT did not look prepared and the clock management in the 4th Qtr should get someone fired. However, It was an exciting game until the last 2 mins when the officials decided they would help determine the outcome.

Dawg_Mike

September 7th, 2010
8:19 am

@ chilidawg

We can go ahead and book it. TCU vs. BSU in the NC game.
Now the fun begins….let the talking heads prop that one up.

Chris

September 7th, 2010
8:19 am

The answer is NO!

Two undefeated major conference teams, or a one loss major conference team deserves to be in the national championship game over Boise State. What if Va. Tech losses to 2 or 3 more games this year? Does that make Boise States win as impressive? Boise State is a good team, but they are not good enough to be considered in the same breath with the elite teams. Va. Tech is not an elite team as they proved last night. They had plenty of chances to put Boise State away, but kept shooting themselves in the foot over and over again. Beating VA. Tech is not that big of a deal. Beating Alabama, Texas, Florida, or Ohio State would have been more impressive.

Playing two ranked teams all year should not give someone the right to play for the national championship….no matter who you are.

Beast from the East

September 7th, 2010
8:19 am

Sorry, but they should not get in over a one loss team from the SEC. Their schedule is ranked 100. Plus, we don’t know how good VT will end up being. They could turn out to be a 7-5 team. I say let the season unfold and the elimination process will take care of itself.

bdawg

September 7th, 2010
8:19 am

Boise State is a very good team. They have speed and hung with VT defensively. The BCS has been very good for Boise, the play week schedule, put up wins, and get big money for doing so. I bet they don’t want a playoff, as it would hurt them having to play tough opponents back to back games. The story on the BCS is how good it has been to non-bcs teams versus a playoff financially.

TDone

September 7th, 2010
8:21 am

UGA, you got to go the 2005 route? I mean, not one of the players on either team are still in school. Get real!!!

SEC Fan, great game against Jacksonville State by an SEC team.

WonderDawg

September 7th, 2010
8:22 am

Boise is good. While it is no fault of their own, their conference is a joke. They have a two-game season.

SEC Fan

September 7th, 2010
8:24 am

TDone…. Bama crusshed that other WAC team too. San Jose?

SOGADOG

September 7th, 2010
8:24 am

Granted Boise State has a really good football team with a great coaching staff. When you ask yourself if they deserve to play in the title game if they go undefeated, imagine what would have happened if Boise played Florida, Alabama, Ohio State, or Penn State’s schedule. Can you honestly say Boise could play an SEC or Big Ten schedule and go undefeated? Suppose Ga. Tech or UGA played Boise’s schedule. Isnt there a good chance they go undefeated? Strength of schedule matters. If Boise wants to play for the title then they need to join the Big Ten, Big 12 or Pac 10 and beef up their schedule.

Griffin

September 7th, 2010
8:25 am

A 12-1 SEC team should go to the NC before Boise. Boise should go the the NC before a 12-1 ACC team. The ACC is just not that strong of a conference. We saw that last year when the week before the ACC Championship, their two best teams got beat by the 4th and 5th best teams in the SEC.

JDW

September 7th, 2010
8:25 am

I think last night proved that VA Tech can’t cut the mustard against a well prepared, motivated but inferior opponent. If they don’t improve quickly they will lose three more. Boise is a nice little team of guys that could not make it in the real big time of college football. They carry a chip on their shoulder and on a given night, with some breaks and calls, they can get by a quality opponent. But, no rational voter should think they have proven themselves worthy of a championship appearance by winning games against teams in the WAC. After all most people accuse teams in the SEC, Big 12 etc… of scheduling patsies when a WAC team pops up on the schedule.

GTJeff

September 7th, 2010
8:28 am

Absolutely not. Playing one good team a year & 11 creampuffs should not get you into the BCS game.

5IML

September 7th, 2010
8:28 am

Congrats to Jack St.! If only Samford had stayed within 50 of FSU, the little guys from Bama would have had a banner weekend.

GT - 1st Place ACC Coastal

September 7th, 2010
8:28 am

VT loss will help GT win the ACC once again as it will likely be a tiebreaker in the ACC Coastal, the nation’s most powerful division. After last night I am certain we could hang with anyone from Bama to OSU.

Moore wasn’t all that, Nesbitt still should be the Heisman front-runner after his 3 TDs rushing against a formidable South Carolina St. defense.

Reality

September 7th, 2010
8:28 am

Two Big Points here…

1. The ACC teams are playing ooc teams that are ranked ahead of them. In those games, they are now 0-2. This include UNC close loss to an SEC team, and the VA Tech loss to Boise. Both opponents were favored to win, and they won very very close games. However, the ACC hate-ers will simply point to the 2 losses without recognizing the ‘rest of the details.’

2. VA Tech may not be as good as everyone thinks. They handed Boise State 17 points to start the game. As always we must wait until the season plays out to judge the teams.

CF is Great!

September 7th, 2010
8:29 am

The sad point is that, just like last year, Boise plays one game against a worthwhile opponent to start the season and then just shows up the next 11 games and thinks they should be in the title game. And this will be after going 12-0 and allowing about 25 points per game to teams that couldn’t score in a brothel. One game doesn’t validate a schedule or a team.

SEC Fan

September 7th, 2010
8:29 am

The ACC is trying to do damage control. THE ACC had a weak WAC conference team beat an overrated Va. Tech.

Not a Tech or UGA Fan.....

September 7th, 2010
8:30 am

Tony
Boise St was very quick this off season to jump to the Mountain West even they knew there was a possibility 1 or 2 of the teams there could leave for the PAC 10 or BIg 12. Why didn’t they campaign for a spot in the PAC 10 instead of settling on another 2nd tier conference? I think they like being able to play the victim card instead of having to play a good team every week it makes people feel sorry for them. By the time they get in the Mt West BYU & Utah will be gone and how long before TCU will be ask to join the Big 12.

WonderDawg

September 7th, 2010
8:31 am

Come on Tom Crawford, what can a sportswriter do to challenge the BCS, when Michael Adams, UGA’s president and NCAA executive board member, was voted down when he tried to just get a conversation about a playoff going?

Not much career advancement in being a Don Quixote . . .

anotherdawg

September 7th, 2010
8:31 am

Boise State fan or not, they are a fun team to watch. but, it’s a little early to talk about the NC game at the end of the season. If they are number 2 at the end, I think you have to give them a shot. I know that don’t play a SEC schedule, but neither does Ohio State.

WonderDawg

September 7th, 2010
8:34 am

You’re right, Reality, Va Tech ’s first half looked very familiar to me – like about a dozen UGA games the past two years.

You can’t spot a good team points with stupid penalties and turnovers and expect to win, although the Hokies almost did.

Eddy

September 7th, 2010
8:35 am

12-0 boise without a doubt. they have earned it if they do that. and you say 12-1 sec or acc. so a team can go undefeated into their champ game and lose it and then play for the nat champ. mope. so your assumption is for them to lose prior to the nat champ.
i don’t see any acc or sec teams going undefeated this season. maybe a big 10. iowa or oh state but they always seem to lose somewhere they shouldn’t. i think boise will and will play somebody. and it will be a great game. they have proven they deserve a chance. people said years ago you play no one. well now they have 2 tough games on their schedule. sorry but that’s no different than other conferences at times. AND if boise played in your sec, they would get sec recruits. and be even better. not sure why some of you are hard headed and don’t understand this.

Pago Pago Dawg

September 7th, 2010
8:35 am

We’re not sure if we would want the DAWGS to play Boise State again!

5IML

September 7th, 2010
8:36 am

Not a tech,

Boise probably unofficially asked the Pac 10 but the Pac-10 said no thanks. Why would the Pac-10 add Boise–to corner the Idaho tv market? That’s my guess because its not like the Pac-10 is a tough conference. If the were in the Pac-10, BSU would probably lose 3 conference games every 2 years and go to the Rose Bowl every 2 years.

RxDawg

September 7th, 2010
8:37 am

Look at the schedules played and this isn’t even a question.

GeezusDawg

September 7th, 2010
8:38 am

…. unless the 12-1 SEC team is Ole Miss. Then Boise should go.

ForsythDawg

September 7th, 2010
8:40 am

As I said in another post – this is JUST like Hawaii in 2007. Everyone gushed over them and they unfortunately made it to a BCS game where they were embarrassed! The same thing will happen to Boise State this year. I think that several conferences should be forced to drop to Division II. They just can’t compete.

MURPHY

September 7th, 2010
8:40 am

Boise played well and deserve to be in mention with BCS Championship.They have a great head coach and are a well prepared team. I think it would be fun to see this team play a SEC team in the BCS. To the argument on them rated higher than a SEC team at the end of the year,I do believe the SEC team that is 12-1 should be rated higher due to schedule and the fact they played a conference championship game.I have respect for Boise and their staff but would like to see them play a little tougher schedule. I remember not to long ago they came to Athens and got blown out by an average UGA team.

Bubba Big Lips

September 7th, 2010
8:40 am

Va Tech is overrated as usual.

Bronco Blue

September 7th, 2010
8:44 am

I always love the comment that Boise state can’t beat the likes of Florida, Ohio State or Alabama.. Well that is what has said about every BCS team that Boise state has played. The Results are always the same.. Win. Argue until your blue in the face but Boise State is just doing what it does best is win one game at a time. If they want a true system get a playoff & let it be decided the way it should be until then put some Orange & blue on & join Bronco Nation.

SEC Fan

September 7th, 2010
8:44 am

Jacksonville State should be mentioned in the title hunt too.

SEC Fan

September 7th, 2010
8:46 am

sorry but Im not covinced that the Broncos could survive in a conference like the SEC week in and week out. Hawaii was champs of the WAC 2 years ago and we all saw what happened there.

5IML

September 7th, 2010
8:47 am

SEC,

Jack St is not eligible for the BCS title. They are an FCS team (which makes the loss even more embarrassing for Ole Miss).

5IML

September 7th, 2010
8:49 am

If Boise ran the table and played in the BCSCG, they would be following the model created by USCw earlier this decade. The Pac-10 was horrible back then. USC played three ranked opponents at most, during the regular season.

Gen Neyland

September 7th, 2010
8:49 am

Boise St is no App St. As Coach Barney Fife of Mayberry A&M would say, ” Beat me once, shame on me. Beat me twice, shame on me.”…Boise St reminds me of Las Vegas. A super city of fun and games built in the middle of nowhere without competition, but bring ‘em to Jersey City and they can throw dice with the best of ‘em…

Paul in RDU

September 7th, 2010
8:50 am

If BSU (or TCU for that matter) being in the BCS Championship game over a 1 loss champion of the ACC, Big 10, Big XII or SEC is what is needed to blow up the Bowl Cartel Series, then I will be hoping they are picked.

dawgcrzy

September 7th, 2010
8:51 am

Did anyone see the two un-sportsman like calls the refs did’nt call on Boise? One was when he pointed to the crowd after the TD,the other when he handed the ball to a VT player after being tackled. Big 10 refs, go figure.

quantumslip

September 7th, 2010
8:51 am

There’s a flaw in the “could they play in the SEC” argument: by being in the SEC, they would have better players and talent, which in theory would elevate them to the level of SEC teams. Whether Chris Petersen could work with SEC-level talent is another question, but it seems like he’s a pretty good darn coach.

cuttysark

September 7th, 2010
8:54 am

What a great game! If an SEC team has 1 loss, they still have an excellent shot of going to the BCS National Championship Game because at this point Boise will have to hope that Va Tech has a great season which will help them in the computer rankings. Too many variables to ascertain at this point, but college football is the best game going. Go to http://isportsweb.com for articles on Georgia Tech Football. Nice article Tony.

George Stein

September 7th, 2010
8:57 am

I think SEC folks had better hope Ole Miss doesn’t win a single conference game this year. If they win even one, the league should be embarrassed.

jury

September 7th, 2010
8:59 am

Both teams looked second-tier last night, two welter weights staggering around a bar. Both were equally poorly trained. BSU looked like they spent the off-season in “How to hold and avoid the call” classes.

Paul in RDU

September 7th, 2010
8:59 am

5IML – USC can’t be blamed for their conference schedule – no more than UGA can be blamed for not playing ALA and LSU this year.
As far as their OOC schedule the years they played in the MNC is concerned – USC play ND every year and in 2004 they beat VT @VT and BYU @BYU. In 2005 they won at Hawaii, beat Fresno State and destroyed Arkansas (the famous SEC speed held them to 70 points)

chazzo

September 7th, 2010
9:01 am

BSU only plays one other ranked team. Much will depend on where V. Tech and Oregon (St?) are ranked going into the bowl season. If an SEC team or ACC team or any other team has one loss and has played 4-6 ranked opponents who are still ranked at the end, then of course the schedule plays into it.

I say let’s burn another season. We really won’t know for sure who the best team is, but let BSU play for it. Bring on the playoff!!!

ACC Fan

September 7th, 2010
9:05 am

Let’s be real here. How can you honestly deny a team the opportunity to go to the BCS Title if it now goes 12-0 being a pre season top 5 team. Anybody that knows football and is true to themselves can see that these Broncos can play with any team in the nation period.

People stop trying to make excuses for the SEC and so on with a 1 loss team and give it a rest. The PAC 10 refused to invite Boise St. to the conference and all because they would have a new top team year after year. Now on with it and let’s finish the season before we start assuming anything.

If the Broncos go undefeated then without a doubt they should be in the title game.

For real SEC FAN?

September 7th, 2010
9:06 am

A weak WAC opponent? Did you watch the same game I did? Boise is not a weak WAC opponent. Dang good football team. Don’t let you’re hate for the ACC cloud you’re judgment.

Sam Houston

September 7th, 2010
9:07 am

Now everybody is going to say Va Tech was over rated. They were VOTED that high by the same people that VOTE on who is going to play in the championship game. It’s a shame, but nobody has ever won the national championship on the field. To even participate you have to be VOTED in.

Lewis Grizzard

September 7th, 2010
9:08 am

Norman said: “There won’t be a SEC team in the National Championship game this year! The other conferences are tired of seeing a SEC team playing in that game.”

Norman, the other conferences have no say-so. They must submit.

m

September 7th, 2010
9:10 am

We don’t know for sure if Boise will be national champs…but we do know for sure that Jacksonville St. is the undefeated and undisputed sec champs. The sec sucks.

Alphare

September 7th, 2010
9:10 am

Depending on which team is the 11-1 SEC team, if it’s BAMA/FL, the 12-0 Boise won’t be in NC picture, if it’s Auburn/UGA, Boise will be in.

Remember UGA was SEC champs twice but didn’t play in NC in either year? remember Auburn was 11-0 but didn’t in NC?

Remember FL was 10-1 twice and played in NC in both years? Remember LSU was 10-2 and played in NC?

Posters found an excuse to put FL/BAMA/LSU in the NC picture, but when it comes Auburn/UGA, they will find an excuse to leave them out. When Auburn/UGA is on top, they will say SEC has a down year.

Posters do the same thing for Ohio State, TX and OK. They are the beauties and they are perceived to be in the contest.

I have no bone with UGA or Auburn, but this seems to be the reality to me.

Lewis Grizzard

September 7th, 2010
9:12 am

M, “Mighty Ole Miss”?? They were ranked 7th in the conference. Nobody but Ole Miss fans (and probably not even they) called Mississippi “mighty”. Just an average team in a great conference.

GaGator

September 7th, 2010
9:12 am

Tony

Explain to all those fans screaming for a Football Play-Off system instead of the
Bowl Games, which we are about to get to a playoff via the conference championship
games. The SEC, Big 12 (10), ACC, and Big East have them now, the Big 10 (12), the Pac-Ten (12) will soon have them.
Through in a couple at large teams and it should be apparent who
deserves to go to the BCS Championship Game. Further more if there was a play-off system, an entire year of debating the merits of who should go would be lost and all the
fun that goes with the debating.

If the NCAA ran the playoffs like in basketball, all the money would go to them, as it is
now, all the money goes to the schools and there conferences. So I don’t think the NCAA
running the show will fly.

5IML

September 7th, 2010
9:13 am

Paul,

I’m not blaming BSU for being in a weak conference, just making a observation.

In 2004, when USC played them, ND, BYU, and VaTech were unranked. USC played only 2 ranked opponents during the regular season–Cal and Az St.

If a team can play a weak schedule and still make it to the BCSCG, more power to ‘em.

UGAlien

September 7th, 2010
9:14 am

Well at least we know that VT is not the fastest car in the Ford Pinto 500. Bet that’s FSU.

Beaufort Tiger

September 7th, 2010
9:14 am

Here’s what people forget in this argument… nobody wants to play Boise! Boise had to travel across the country just to play Va. Tech which wouldn’t agree with a home-away-home offer from Boise, only agreeing to a “neutral” site (hardly neutral). Boise showed up and won.

These guys deserve to be in the national title discussion, so long as they win out. Period.

Pago Pago Dawg

September 7th, 2010
9:14 am

“dawgcrzy”…..yes I saw those two plays that should have been a penalty. The Boise State guy shoved the ball into the VT guy and I wondered where the flag was?

CharlotteGator

September 7th, 2010
9:15 am

VERY impressed with the athleticism and play from Boise St. last night. They definitely proved me wrong. I think #22 Martin was my favorite player on the field . #6’s run, Kellen Moore, and the WR’s were all great, but I really liked the way Martin ran with toughness and grit. He was a stud and I’d take him on my team any day. Liked Tyrod Taylor’s play for the most part, but the VaTech O-Line and D didn’t play very well. Great game, and as much as it pains me to say this, I think Boise St. deserves their shot.

Can’t wait for the slate of games this weekend. Most looking forward to UF-USF (default due to my bias), then UGA – USC (vested interest in both teams since they’re in the east), and then OSU – Miami (most athletes on the field this weekend). The Penn State – Bama and FSU – Oklahoma games will probably get DVR status as I think Bama will win handily and I can’t bring myself to root or care about either Oklahoma or FSU.

So glad college football is here and in full swing.

McDawg

September 7th, 2010
9:16 am

12-O Boise will be in the BCS championship this year

Bryan

September 7th, 2010
9:19 am

One of the commentators said it best last night…all Boise’s big wins come when they have time to prepare….wanna see them beat back to back good teams without there being a month or two in between…then talk to me about Boise…blah

Also VT is not that good

ugaclassof2004

September 7th, 2010
9:20 am

I want Boise State to go undefeated, because then they’ll play a real team in the BCS Title game and get hammered. Title games like this will force the BCS to move towards a playoff system, at the very least a plus one format.

Lewis Grizzard

September 7th, 2010
9:23 am

TDone, UGA’s point was that 2005 was the last time Georgia played Boise. Boise was ranked high coming in and they got spanked. Last night, they played a sub-standard team from a mediocre conference and squeaked out a win. A powerhouse that does not make.

Sam Robards, Dawg Fan

September 7th, 2010
9:24 am

The SEC/ACC team (expecially the SEC team) should go over an undefeated Boise IN THIS SYSTEM.

If we had an 8-10 team playoff, with Boise winning its way through, I would have no problem letting them play for the NC.

However, since we don’t, I can’t see a Boise team, as good as it is, play for the NC while playing only two ranked teams (assuming Oregon St. doesn’t lose again next week and drop outta the rankings) and I certainly can’t see them going over a 1-loss SEC or ACC team.

And if you guys really think we’ll get a playoff by (potentially) screwing good teams over and showing the BCS bigwigs how broken the system is, 2004 called and said, “THEY DON’T CARE.”

Don’t get me wrong, Boise’s a good team, but as long as they play in that crap conference, they shouldn’t get a shot at the NC in the current BCS system. And moving to the MWC was smart … until Utah jumped to the PAC 10 and BYU said it was going it solo. Boise’s still gonna be at the kid’s table. They’ll just be in a different seat.

Father of 5

September 7th, 2010
9:27 am

Boise should be #1 RIGHT NOW! The polls are a joke. Pitt starts #15, loses to an unranked Utah, but remains ranked #15 — while Utah is unranked!?!

Boise St, TCU, Utah, and Houston all deserve to play in the MNC game over one loss teams from any conference. College football is the best game on the field, but it is girls figure skating in the grand scheme — some fat guys in the expensive seats decide which one is the prettiest, completely ignoring what happens during the competition. What a joke.

Paul in RDU

September 7th, 2010
9:28 am

5IML – ND, VT and BYU may have been down when USC played them but they are all traditionally strong and you and I both know that those kind of inter-regional match ups are made years in advance. That’s the breaks however.
BTW – If your guys in crimson go undefeated this year they will certainly have earned a position in the BCS Championship game – kudos for scheduling PSU (to go with the “unusual” SEC schedule – someone in Birmingham has it in for you).

Sam Robards, Dawg Fan

September 7th, 2010
9:30 am

Also, the questionable (read: bad) officiating on that last drive certainly didn’t hurt Boise’s last-minute comeback.Yeah, Bud Foster’s defense blew it, but they were put in the position to win by the refs.

And here I thought only SEC refs protected teams. Though since there’s no preseason “Battle of Undefeateds in Atlanta” storyline this year, I expect the SEC officiating to be a little more even.

kinggator

September 7th, 2010
9:34 am

good for college football. If Boise St. makes the title game, one of the major conf. will be left out, which will finally make the college prez.’s realize we need a playoff!!

How about TCU vs Boise St.!! Now that would make ‘em scramble!!

WonderDawg

September 7th, 2010
9:35 am

Foxsports.com’s Thayer Evans wrote: “”With Boise State’s toughest remaining game at home against No. 24 Oregon State on Sept. 25 …”
**************************************************
Boy that says it all, doesn’t it? One week into the season, and all Boise has to play is one more “tough game.” Boise is very good, but when I see them in a conference having to play 8 or 9 “tough games,” and coming out with one loss or less, they’ll get my vote (if I had one). Heck, UGA plays 3 of the top teams in the country . . . in November (Florida, Auburn, Ga Tech) alone!

GTville

September 7th, 2010
9:39 am

Boise can only play their schedule. No major conferences are knocking on their door asking them to join. They must go 12-0 which is not easy.
The powers who eventually create a playoff will pick teams by vote, not by win to get in, so there will still be a huge discussion. 2 loss teams from big fan base schools will get in playoffs.
11-1 big conference team should probably go before Boise, but you need to see what WAC teams do this year and what VT and Oregon State do.

5IML

September 7th, 2010
9:39 am

Paul,

ND hasn’t been any good since the late 90’s. BYU has a good year, here-and-there. VT has been consistently good. But, I’m not trying to argue for or against 2010 BSU or 2004 USC.

Regarding BAMA, although it was SJSU, the game answered a big question I had. Special Teams looked pretty solid. If we can get consistent kicking, I will expect another undefeated season.

PMC

September 7th, 2010
9:40 am

You know Tony, the thing is Boise State is an extremely well coached football team and they do have some very good players. The idea that they couldn’t survive in the SEC is sort of bollocks because if they were in the SEC and not the WAC they would have a lot more players. Houston Nutt and Tyrone Nix just proved how bad an SEC defense can look when they aren’t ready to play anyone anyway.

Is Boise State good enough to play for a title. Certainly. DO they deserve it playing a terribly weak WAC schedule + a very tough game last night and an ok Oregon State team…. I don’t know. It depends on what else happens this year.

Jeff

September 7th, 2010
9:43 am

Boise’s conference is such a joke there is no way to accurately rank them. If they played in the SEC they would never go undefeated.

T3

September 7th, 2010
9:43 am

Top things learned over the weekend:

1. Les Miles is DONE at LSU.
LSU playing against UNC using 2nd & 3rd teams. John Chavis’s VINTAGE “Prevent Defense” almost cost LSU the game.

2. The SEC looks over-rated this year.
Vandy: Train Wreck – Confirmed
Tenn: Train Wreck – Waiting to happen
LSU: Decent players, crappy staff, and coach who is “dead-man walking”
Ole Miss: Karma has arrived in Oxford. And she’s PISSED.
Florida: WTH ??

3. Barnhart = BCS PROPOGANDIST
Once again Barnhart bemoanS how BoiseSt has “screwed up this BCS.”
The BCS = Bowl Cartel System. Its just one big fraud.

BoiseSt still has 11 games to go, and just as I had predcited BoiseSt to beat VT, I will predict that BoiseSt will lose to one of these 3 this year: Hawaii, Fresno State, or LaTech.

ONLY A PLAYOFF SYSTEM WILL RESOLVE ALL DISPUTES.

Not some +1 ssytem after the bowl games.

A REAL playoff system, you know like that used by
EVERY SINGLE OTHER COLLEGE SPORTS AT EVERY SINGLE LEVEL.

What I’d like to see is Barnhart and his ilk argue how unfair and unproductive playoff systems are in every other colleg esports. You know, perhaps why March Madness is bad for B-Ball and shuld be eliminated in favor of a cartel system that would keep teams like Gonzaga and BUtler out of teh NCAA tournament.

Lewis Grizzard

September 7th, 2010
9:43 am

quantumslip said: “…by Boise being in the SEC, they would have better players and talent, which in theory would elevate them..”

If your theory was correct, Mississippi State would be a contender every year. No, if BSU was in the SEC, it’d probably just be another “also-ran”. Plus, look at all the traveling they’d have to do from Idaho. :-)

Bungle Bee

September 7th, 2010
9:44 am

The argument is simple if Boise was in the SEC, where would they finish? I can’t see them having a better record than Bama or UF. That said, if they win the PAC 10 next year, then they’ll be in the Big game come Jan.

Sec Fact Finder( the real one)

September 7th, 2010
9:45 am

Tony, Great Great writing this morning.

The argument can also be made for LSU if you were to take Mississippi St., Auburn, and Alabama off of their schedule, yeah they beat a tough N.C. team without 16 players, but did you see them play in the first half( kinda of the same scenario as Boise St.) big half, and hang on for win.

We can also make the case for GT or BC or any other ACC school, take away FSU, Miami, VT off their schedules and let them play 10 cup cakes and two tough outer conference games and see how anyone would come out.

The issue is always, I can take any team with decent talent and prep them for 6 weeks and give another team a good game if I know the weeks after I play them I can relax and coast through until January 1. The big picture is pretty clear, Oregon St. will need to pull off an upset to take this bunch out of the picture…..

CrackDaddy

September 7th, 2010
9:46 am

If LSU is a top tier SEC team, then their razor-thin victory over a one-armed UNC team says something about the relative stength of the two conferences. From what I saw, if UNC gets its key players back (they lost their top offensive and defensive players for that game: Little and Draughn on O, and Quinn and Austin on D), they will have one of the deepest teams in the land. There performance on Sat against LSU, even without their top playmaker (Little) and their two top RB’s, proves that their O has improved leaps and bounds over last year. They hung 412 yards on the LSU pass defense. Yates is going to be a top QB this year given the maturity of his receivers and the now healthy status of the O-line. I wouldn’t count them out of any game if the star players return.

Todd

September 7th, 2010
9:47 am

Boise still doesnt deserve to be in the game. Va tech isnt a huge win and they only barely won. playing cupcakes in this system shouldnt allow to play in the championship game just cause you have captured the hearts of people. I say NO to Boise

Old Ball Coach

September 7th, 2010
9:48 am

No, BSU should NOT go to the NC over a 12-1 SEC Champ because of strength of schedule and VT isn’t a top 10 team. This was a very bad showing for a potential ACC Champ.

the prof

September 7th, 2010
9:50 am

Beefed up their schedule???? With who….two top 20 teams and nobody else even in the top 40??? Let them play a real schedule, week in and week out, and then lets see if they end up unbeaten!

UGAlien

September 7th, 2010
9:50 am

ACC Fan, what are you smoking this morning? The Bronco’s most certainly CANNOT play with any team in the country… and expect to win, that is. They played a crappy team from the crappy ACC last night. Stop trying to pump them up and make them look like it was something special to beat VT. Hell, Ole Miss would have even beat VT last night.

Brent "middle name WOODY" Musburger must go

September 7th, 2010
9:50 am

Why is Brent “I get a Woody over Boise State” Musburger commentating for ESPN. I cannot stand listening to this guy. Virgina Tech loses 5 yards and according to Woody ” a devastating loss dealt by BS”. Now he wants Moore (BS qb) the front runner for the Heisman after beating VT. Clearly, Woody forgets who rules college football…It is the SEC!!!

Dostoyevskiy

September 7th, 2010
9:50 am

Did UNC get anyone’s respect other than mine? They’ve got deep talent on that team. UNC is reeling in great players it seems. I agree w/CD, Yates is a very good QB. He has returned to the form he displayed 2 yrss ago when he had good and experienced receivers. He will break all UNC passing and TD records if he stays healthy.

BAMA Dude

September 7th, 2010
9:51 am

SEC “Fact Finder”…

No ACC or SEC school is gonna play 10 teams outside the Top 40 and 6 teams outside the Top 75.

Brantley

September 7th, 2010
9:52 am

I think you said it all in one statement Tony: “Given the fact that EVERYTHING was on the line for Boise State’s season in that moment.” This WAS the test. That’s it. They had to pass one hard test and they’re done? I don’t agree with that. Teams in the SEC, ACC, and Big 12 have EVERYTHING on the line week in and week out. So is it fair for Boise State to win one hard game and play middle school opponents the rest of the year and hop in the national championship? Absolutely not.

Sec Fact Finder( the real one)

September 7th, 2010
9:54 am

There are some big big games this weekend…this Thursday thru Saturday will really thin out the herd. I would not want to be an addictive gambler this week with all the young players and unproven wins against some weak competition( and a loss by Ole Miss to a FCS).

Questions:’

Does UF bounce back and find an Offense?
Who controls the Line of Scrimmage- Georgia or USC?
Is FSU good or was Oklahoma just average last week?
Does Penn St. really have a good team or was Youngstown that bad?
Can Miam slow down OSU and can Miami score?
Does Dan Mullen have MSU ready to upest Auburn on Thursday night?
Who is real Michigan or Notre Dame?

The questions go on and on and on..

Bamafan

September 7th, 2010
9:55 am

If Boise State and Ohio St plays in the BCS championship game I will pull for the broncos just
like I do for the crimson tide. Boise is for real and if they go 12-0 let them play for the national
title. I bet it would get the highest rated game of the year and it probably would get the David
verus Goliath from the media!! RTR

VolAlum

September 7th, 2010
9:55 am

The only way I put Boise St in the BCS discussion is if all four of their non conference games are against .500 or better BCS schools. Playing Va Tech and Oregon St is like playing Forida and Auburn in the SEC. Add two more, win them and then we can talk.

Sec Fact Finder( the real one)

September 7th, 2010
9:59 am

Bama Dude..that was my point…take any team (exception of Vandy) and put them on this schedule of Boise St and they are top 10 school year in and year out…This Boise St. claim is a joke..if Boise St. was really serious they would go the FSU route and play independently for a few years and go play the big boys on the road and then people would take them seriously….

SOS Supporter

September 7th, 2010
10:00 am

The NC should be the two best teams of this year. If this Boise team played in even the ACC much less the SEC they would lose at least two. If they moved to SEC they could get SEC recruits but that would be another team and not this years team. If you were a coach and you had to plan for only two games a year, how much better would you be against those teams.

404

September 7th, 2010
10:03 am

UGAlien said:

“Ole Miss would have even beat VT last night.”

Uh, Old Missy couldnt handle D1-AA Jax State.

UGAlien = Idiot

Pffft.

September 7th, 2010
10:05 am

GT – 1st Place ACC Coastal, You are INSANE! I really hope you are another team’s fan poking fun at the reality challenged Tech fans on these boards. Nesbitt for Heisman? ACC Coastal the toughest division in football? HA HA HA HA HA HA!

I remember last year when the powerhouse ACC was decided in a real ‘clash of the titans’ championship game, pitting teams with–what was it–FIVE losses between them…playing in front of–What–15 or 20,000 people? Whooooweee…maybe they can recreate that kind of Magic again this year.

Tebow won the Heisman running more than passing. As much as it pains me to say it…he was a great player. If you think Nesbitt is as good as Tebow you are an idiot. Plus Tebow ran the ball in the SEC…Nesbitt runs it in the ACC. Big difference. If GT was in the SEC…Nesbitt would be injured by Game 5 (I know I know but GT only has to play FSU once!). If you can’t pass any better than 1-6 you lose in the SEC. The fact that GT is considered a front runner in the ACC makes me think the whole conference sucks.

Now that we have established the fact that the ACC is WAC-East, an undefeated WAC team should play for a NC before a 1 loss ACC team. This goes for any ACC team except Florida State. 1 loss Florida State should go through over undefeated Boise.

Let’s take it a bit further…can you imagine how BORING a NC game that GT plays in would be!?

Mussberger: “Wait didn’t we just see this play 2 plays ago?”

Herbstreit: “Yeah it is one of the 8 plays that they run.”

Nix_2_Sanders

September 7th, 2010
10:05 am

BOISE. We’ve allwatched this program grow over the pa 10 years. I saw Bois ply in the 2005 Liberty Bowl- in what then was the “NAQ BCS Game” Top-Ranked Lousivile vs Undefeated Boise. They’re fans traveled well to Memphis and they put on a great effort against a pretty good Lousiville team.

Fast foward 5 yrs later: they hae 2 BCS Fiesta Bow tropheys, wins over Oregon, VT, Oklahoma. If they’re TWO undefeaed teams left at the end at the season, and Boise is one of them…they ABSOLUTLY deserve a title shot.

WDE

Steve

September 7th, 2010
10:05 am

Since the South is fond of sharing (claiming) victory when they win against the North or the West, does the South claim the Va Tech loss too?

UGAlien

September 7th, 2010
10:06 am

404, VT = Jax State. Get the reference now, moron?

Not A UGA Fan But I Don't Hate You

September 7th, 2010
10:07 am

Jim

September 7th, 2010
7:55 am
Wow….still no word on AJ Green….why isn’t the AJC doing ANY digging to see what the real story is? Why is CMR staying so silent? Interesting….but AJ said he was innocent….and yet the NCAA has not cleared his eligibility yet…..wow, that is a head scratcher.

Well, Jim……didn’t you read the story? Their “Lawyers” are handling it……Folks, there’s not only smoke, but a lot of fire in this issue…..AJG has done gone and got hisself in a passel of trouble……as I’ve asked before “how else do you explain why it’s taking so long for the truth to come out? Someone at UGA is trying to do some “damage control” and the proverbial S**t is about to hit the fan and the splatter will be far reaching.

StraightJacket

September 7th, 2010
10:11 am

If you can’t start a season with 120 teams in FBS having a chance to go undefeated and making it to the Championship Game, then what’s the point?

I say Boise should have the SAME chance to get to the final game (IF they go undefeated) as ‘Bama, Duke, Oklahoma, Air Force, VPI&SU, Ohio State, or Washington State.

If you say “no” to this logic, then LET’s QUIT THE CHARADE that is “FBS Football”!!!!

SPLIT the FBS into the “Have a Chance” group (Top 48-to-60 Schools) and the “Don’t Have a Chance” Divisions.

Maybe the “Don’t Have a Chance” Division can get their University Presidents to vote for a playoff in THAT division, and at least they’ll have an interesting end – with a DEFINED CHAMPION – to keep fan interest high and to give them some credibility. Let the “Have a Chance” division keep their POLITICS in place (i.e. BCS System) and continue with the subjective voting of who the “beauty contest winner” is every year.

jlc

September 7th, 2010
10:11 am

You have to give Boise St. their due. Yeah, yeah, the got blown out by UGA years ago. But we all know that was before they were what they are now. Every test they have had over the past 5 seasons, they have passed. Oklahoma, Oregon, TCU, and now VaTech. They looked every bit as good as anyone I’ve watched so far. If they’re 12-0, give them a shot.

WonderDawg

September 7th, 2010
10:11 am

SEC Fact Finder, I got another question – Can UGA’s Grantham’s defense bail-out Mike Bobo, who has proven over and over that he cannot out-scheme nor out-adjust any good SEC DC?

5IML

September 7th, 2010
10:11 am

Not a,

AJG needs to spill his guts like Dareus did. The NCAA report called Dareus the most cooperative student-athlete ever. I bet he gave names, dates, receipts, and social security numbers.

T3

September 7th, 2010
10:12 am

Yeh, every likes to say:
“Look at all those creampuffs on the Boise State schedule.”

The funny thing is, lots of those same “creampuffs”
are on the schedule of many SEC teams, like:

Idaho
San Jose State
Southern Miss
La Tech
Miami (OH)
Wyoming
New Mexico State
University of Louisiana – Anywhere

Mike

September 7th, 2010
10:12 am

All you SEC homers better hope Ohio State or Texas loses a agme, otherwise, it’s Boise vs one of them for the title and a 1 loss Bama or Florida goes to the Sugar Bowl.

chc4

September 7th, 2010
10:13 am

Why are we talking BCS title game already? I muted Musburger last night b/c of it. Can we just let the season play out?

Richt's Butt Cut

September 7th, 2010
10:13 am

All the hype based on beating VA Tech??!! My god , what a joke. Va Tech is in the pansy a$$ ACC. Any of the top 4 or 5 SEC teams would destroy BSU and Va Tech for that matter…

DawginLex

September 7th, 2010
10:14 am

51ML,

What if there is nothing to spill but the NCAA still holds him and his teammates hostage all season and does not allow him to play? I know it is UGA’s decision but the NCAA is holding the strings on the puppet.

Lewis Grizzard

September 7th, 2010
10:14 am

Brantley said “So is it fair for Boise State to win one hard game and play middle school opponents the rest of the year and hop in the national championship? Absolutely not.”

I could not agree more. They were fresh with no injuries and (supposedly) 6 months of preparedness. What would last night’s game have looked like if they had been in week 4 after a stretch of playing Alabama, Georgia, and Florida in a row? No one can say for sure, but my bet is that a battered BSU would lose last night’s game, and end their season 6-6.

chc4

September 7th, 2010
10:14 am

T3 — that’s a weak argument. Boise has probably 9 of them on their schedule. Just a SLIGHT difference.

404

September 7th, 2010
10:14 am

ugalien

boise st > vt > jax state > old missy

are you still confused or was that just too difficult to follow?

DawginLex

September 7th, 2010
10:15 am

Come on T3, nobody in the SEC plays 9 of those puffs like Boise does.

We need a playoff in a bad way.

5IML

September 7th, 2010
10:15 am

What’s the over-under for this Thursday’s game. Auburn has no defense, and the jury is still out on Miss St.’s D.

I see: Auburn 55, MSU 49 (2OT)

robodawg

September 7th, 2010
10:16 am

Saw em play, and MAYBE I would put them in if they were one of only two undefeateds. Based on what I saw, they’re very well coached and very poised, but between the first quarter and the end of the game (cuz you can’t play on emotion all 60 minutes) they were simply outmanned by a Va Tech team that’s got some talent but is still very rough around the edges. So I dunno. Wish they had a quality opponent at the end of the season to help make their case.

DawginLex

September 7th, 2010
10:16 am

I agree on Auburn/MSU. It will be crazy.

Jeff

September 7th, 2010
10:18 am

If SEC teams only had to get up for ONE big game a year- we would all go undefeated. As much as Boise wants to beleive they deserve a shot, the fact is if they played in a major conference week in and week out, they would not be unbeaten. Note to Boise: Join a big time conference or play a major non conference schedule both early and late in the year.

UGAlien

September 7th, 2010
10:21 am

404, better go get on the NickJr blog… this one appears to be a little to fast for you. Jesus, where’s a truant officer when you need one.

GT Fan ...

September 7th, 2010
10:22 am

VT & Oregon St are BSU’s toughest opponents. Beat Oregon St (not by luck), and the table is set for BSU. IMO, the better team won last night. However, BSU can’t, and I mean CAN’T, have any wins like last night’s vs. ANY of its conf opponents.

To be in the NC game BSU must win all of its conf games by double-digits, and look impressive in each game. One last-minute, come from behind win, or an OT win vs a conf opponent will seriously hurt BSU’s NC chances.

5IML

September 7th, 2010
10:22 am

Dawgin,

I cannot recall the NCAA holding players out of the game for absolutely nothing. When it drags on, there’s something there. As a BAMA fan, unfortunately, I kinda know how these investigations go.

WonderDawg

September 7th, 2010
10:22 am

jlc, what due? They won one game, and have one more game and then cream puffs. Look at their past schedules – they annually play: Sacramento St, Wyoming, San Jose State, Idaho State, Bowling Green, Nevada, UC-Davis. Jeez!

Otto

September 7th, 2010
10:24 am

No 12-0 Boise St should not go over a 12-1 SEC nor a 12-1 Big12 or 11-1 Big10 team.

The Boise St. schedule does warrant the BCS title game. The Chokies are 1 and what? against top 5 teams.

Ole Miss…yes the Nutt choked but the ACC plays more FCS teams and lost to not 1 but 2 of them last year.

HarveyK

September 7th, 2010
10:24 am

Wow….still no word on AJ Green….

Forget Green, he’s played his last college game. The NCAA has him nailed, and Richt knows it, and that’s why he’s not playing him.

coach smith

September 7th, 2010
10:25 am

The ONLY significant games Boise State has won are against Oklahoma, TCU, and VTECH

What do they have in common?

1. Boise State had a loooong time to prepare

2. They were very close games with 2 pulled out in the last seconds or overtime

3. And most importantly they WERE ON NEUTRAL FIELDS!

I laugh hearing these talking heads build up Boise St…HAVE YOU ALL FORGOTTEN WHAT HAPPENED WHEN BOISE STATE HAD TO PLAY AT GEORGIA?!?!?

Georgia beat the same Zabransky lead Broncos who beat Oklahoma by 5 touchdowns!

Boise is a FRAUD! and until they start scheduling and winning true away games against teams like Georgia, Texas, Florida, Ohio St etc, THEY DO NOT BELONG IN THE CONVERSATION!

For crying out loud their biggest conference rival is Hawaii and what happened to an undefeated Hawaii team when they played Georgia?

Boise is a joke!

WonderDawg

September 7th, 2010
10:26 am

T-3, yes, a lot of teams play one of those teams, but Boise plays EACH ALL OF THOSE TEAMS, every year! THAT is the point most on here are making.

murfdawg

September 7th, 2010
10:27 am

Boise should be in the MNC if they go undefeated. That is the way the system works and that is the way they play it. The Rose Bowl, Sugar Bowl and the Orange Bowl will all teams that have at least one loss, but these games will be the best games to watch, instead of the MNC. The BCS is a political and slightly arbitrary title and should not mean anything to fans of the SEC or the Big 12(10).

dawgfan

September 7th, 2010
10:27 am

Boise beats one preseason top 10 team, who could be vastly overrated for all we know, and they have ariived.

Boy, I wish it was that easy for my team. Unfortunately, my team has to play 4 or 5 games like that every single year, sometimes more and sometimes in back to back weeks.

We can speculate all we want about what Boise would or would not do playing a big boy BCS schedule, but we simply don’t know because they have never done it.

Personally, I think they would get their teeth kicked in. Kellen Moore looks like he’s in high school. He would get killed in the SEC, possibly literally.

Lewis Grizzard

September 7th, 2010
10:28 am

Amen, WonderDawg.

SEC Homerism

September 7th, 2010
10:28 am

404 – You obviously don’t understand UGAlien. He thinks that every SEC team is better than every team from any other conference – wins or losses not withstanding

Duckafawg

September 7th, 2010
10:28 am

@ Nesbitt for Heisman …and a win

coach smith

September 7th, 2010
10:29 am

To clarify…Georgia beat that Broncos team by 5 Touchdowns

Lewis Grizzard

September 7th, 2010
10:29 am

and.. ditto, dawgfan.

WonderDawg

September 7th, 2010
10:30 am

coach smith, Hawaii beat Boise in ‘08, about a month before UGA demolished Hawaii.

producewiz

September 7th, 2010
10:30 am

V.T. need 1 defensive play on the last drive.couldn’t do it.defense wins championships.

GeneralNeyland96

September 7th, 2010
10:30 am

I say give the Smurf-Turf boys a chance….they’ve done what we all wish our teams could do: Beat everyone that gets in their way.

And for that matter, I’d say that Moore would be a great pick for Heisman.

A Big Dog Pile

September 7th, 2010
10:31 am

VA Tech is 1-26 against top 5 opponents

Boise did not prove anything last night

VT did prove something,

they proved they will be at least a 3 or 4 loss team in the sorriest conference in America

Load your line up, play man coverage, and you will stop the run, and cause Tyrod to panic

VT will lose to GT, FSU, Miami, and possibly UNC count on it

HugoStiglitz

September 7th, 2010
10:32 am

Of course Boise should get in if they are one of two undefeated teams. They have proven themselves time and time again. Hopefully it causes alot of crying from SEC or Big 10 fans and maybe college football will finally enact a legitimate postseason.

Atticus

September 7th, 2010
10:32 am

This is a JOKE to even ask. Boise plays TWO teams from BCS conferences? Georgia plays 10. Any SEC or ACC or whoever school would deserve it over Boise. They are a good team, no doubt. Deserving of a national title, no way!

Play more teams from BCS conferences and play some ranked road games before you deserve consideration. For every game like the Ok Fiesta win or Utah over Bama win, you have Hawaii getting run by Georgia or UF destroying CINN.

Disappointed

September 7th, 2010
10:34 am

Makes me sick that one half of the national championship game has already been decided after week 1. My favorite sport has turned to ruin.

Atticus

September 7th, 2010
10:35 am

Harvey, do you really think Richt would have AJ Green practice if he knew he was done. Come on, use your brain.

WonderDawg

September 7th, 2010
10:38 am

Hugo, why make this a Boise vs SEC argument. Do you think Boise could survive an Tech’s ACC schedule? Go to the link below and check out their schedule. When you get through laughing, you will change your tune.

Boise can’t help that they play in a conference my high school could compete in, but voters should factor in how that 12-0 record really came about.

Sam

September 7th, 2010
10:39 am

Hey, not a tech or UGA fan: The Pac 10 had no interest in Boise. Boise could have lobbied and begged all it wanted, but adding Boise to the Pac 10 would have done NOTHING to improve the Pac10’s TV deal. Also Boise is not even close to the academic caliber school that the other Pac 10 schools are (not to mention Utah and Colorado). Boise is still a pretty young 4 year school. Yes, the academic rep does matter.

Boise won. They were physical. Any team facing them in a bowl game is in for a hard game especially looking at their record with all that time to prepare.

secbama

September 7th, 2010
10:41 am

Hope Bama, Boise, and Ohio State go undefeated and Bama/Boise State play for marbles. I want to hear Herbstreit wine and cry about his Buckeyes being left out of title game.

HugoStiglitz

September 7th, 2010
10:41 am

WonderDawg, I didnt make it a Boise vs SEC argument. I said that I hope SEC or Big 10 fans are the ones really upset at the end of the year. Those two groups of fans tend to be the loudest and angriest fans in college football and maybe they could make enough noise to get somebody to seriously look at the system.

Paul in RDU

September 7th, 2010
10:43 am

Latest SEC power ratings from Chris Lowe – UGA ahead of UF (which looks correct right now) and Ole Miss #12, behind Vandy

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/26287/sec-power-rankings-13

T3

September 7th, 2010
10:44 am

Two weeks ago that Boise State would beat VT.

I will also go on record and predict that Boise State will not go undefeated and will lose to either Hawaii, Fresno Stat, or LaTech.

KeithB

September 7th, 2010
10:45 am

Bob

September 7th, 2010
10:45 am

No they dont, get in a conference thats not full of cupcakes then we will talk, playing one or two average bcs schools does not cut it and your anytime, anywhere lie as well, why dont you add in the part where you asked for $900,000 to travel to teams stadium?

BSU beat a bad VT team that will end up finishing 3rd or 4th in the ACC, why they were ranked 10th is just insane, its time to do away with pre season polls.

Big Jim

September 7th, 2010
10:46 am

Win every game on your schedule=NATL Championship game. If you can’t do it, then move to another conference.

Kb

September 7th, 2010
10:47 am

Tony,
Its time to ask the question does the ACC deserve an automatic BCS berth?

Delbert D.

September 7th, 2010
10:51 am

Point #1 – There is not a National Championship Game, merely a poll-based BCS Championship Game.

Point #2 – If that flawed system produces undesirable results, then too bad, suck it up and move on.

Point #3 – All arguments against a FBS/Div 1a playoff are ludicrous, as the NCAA has playoffs in every other Division.

Point #4 – Special interests, including bowl tradition groups and apparently the NCAA itself are the enemies of a full playoff system among all FBS conference champions.

Point #5 – The NCAA should consider a 3-tier Division 1 for football *if* 64 major schools can align themselves into conferences of 16 or 8 teams: 16-team superconferences play their conference championship as the 1st playoff game, and 8-team conferences play the winner of another 8-team conference as the 1st playoff game. OOC schedules become a moot point, as their results are not counted toward all-important conference championships.

The last 2 teams left standing play for a true national championship.

Bryant

September 7th, 2010
10:52 am

25 straight regular season wins. We will beat Penn State by three touchdowns. Six games ahead where the opponent has the week off before we play them. If we run the table this year and play Boise it will not be close. Dont hate the player hate the game! RTR

meh

September 7th, 2010
10:53 am

as long Boise State has 5 teams ranked 90th or worse on their schedule they do not deserve to be in the national championship game. end of discussion.

meh

September 7th, 2010
10:54 am

and I hope they lose to Wyoming. That would be hilarious.

Nix_2_Sanders

September 7th, 2010
10:54 am

What more can Boise do? They’ve scheduled 2 top 25 teams. No-one wants to play Boise.

I’ve heard rumors that Boise is “selective” on who and where they play. Last night tho BSU was outnumbered 8 to 1 and traveled across this beautiful county.

WonderDawg

September 7th, 2010
10:54 am

You still didn’t answer my question, Hugo . . .

Amen to that, secbama. Kirk is a nauseating homer, even in the preseasons after OSU got pounded by UF and LSU.

3rdn8

September 7th, 2010
10:55 am

Judging any team after one (the first) game is a slippery slope. A lot of good teams such as Florida, and Oklahoma looked pretty oridinary in week one. Remember that college coaches don’t get a pre-season schedule to sort things out.

I don’t know how good VaTech is. They looked much better on offense last night, but have a lot of questions on defense.

All I know is: Boise State played and won a great game. Last year my Tide had a pretty good team, and VaTech took them to the wire.

The argument that Boise State can only win if they have six weeks to prepare is ludicrous. Every team has the same prep time. Fall camps are conducted to see who the season’s players will be, and to install new wrinkles on offense and defense. Usually the last week of preseason practice is devoted to prepping for the opening game.

Peterson is a heck of a coach.

WonderDawg

September 7th, 2010
10:57 am

T-3: “I will also go on record and predict that Boise State will not go undefeated and will lose to either Hawaii, Fresno Stat, or LaTech.”
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Yeah, T-3, Boise better be wary of those powerhouses!!

Wreckem

September 7th, 2010
10:58 am

So should BSU get at shot at the NC? Sure, if they win out let them go so we can finally stop hearing about them. I’ve read several posts here that state it is not BSU fauly they are in a weak conference. I disagree. If they really want to be serious about a NC, why didn’t they try to change conferences when everyone else did out west this summer? They are comfortable where they are and they think/know they can’t get writer sympathy going 12-0 in their conference every year. They did play well last night and that one-handed catch by the TE in the endzone was exciting, but they did that against a VT team that is WAY OVERRATED every pre-season. This story is gonna get old real quick. I might have to give up ESPN for a while.

74 Dawg

September 7th, 2010
10:59 am

Can we join the WAC for just one year? Oh the fun.

A Big Dog Pile

September 7th, 2010
10:59 am

People Boise State is 7-7 against big time opponents

VT is 1-26 against top 5 teams

Boise State Take away the TCU’s and VT’s and who really have they beat

IF Boise State wants to be considered then play at least 4 schools a year that have won a National Title in the last 80 years

Gbal

September 7th, 2010
11:02 am

This argument that… ” IF BSU WAS IN THE SEC THEY WOULD HAVE MORE AND BETTER PLAYERS AND COULD COMPETE” !!!! WHAT A DUMBA$$ ARGUMENT … THEY ARE NOT IN THE SEC AND DONT HAVE BETTER PLAYERS AND PLAY IN A CONFRENCE FULL OF THE SAME. POINT – GIVEN WHO THEY ARE AND WHAT THEY RECRUIT, THEY COULD NOT COMPETE WITH AN SEC SCHEDULE TODAY.

And should one of the two slots for the year be given to a team withsuch a weak schedule.

Alphare

September 7th, 2010
11:05 am

Paid a little attention to the ways tackles were made during the weekend, not impressed at all with many of the defense coaches’ works. Lots of players got it wrong.

I feel I can do a better job coaching some of the kids up. The problem is how do I get such a job. You don’t have to pay me a ton of money like you are paying now. Contact me if you have an opening.

help, I live in Ga

September 7th, 2010
11:05 am

Good job Boise State. Now play, Oregon, Florida, Alabama, LSU on the road, Georgia on the road, South Carolina on the road and then we’ll let you play the weak part of your schedule against Kentucky. This is one SEC teams schedule.

The result will be this: you are a good team but will probably lose 3 games at least. You will also lose about 6 starters to injuries.

Boise State is kinda like Florida State in the 90’s. They were good and they won bowl games. The reason they won bowl games is that they were not banged up because their starters played a couple of quarters a week as they ran up the score then rested.

How bout this: You can keep your week-a_s schedule and maybe we’ll let you in as the 8th team in a playoff.

Until then, get a conference and get a schedule.

Alphare

September 7th, 2010
11:07 am

Boise State may be 7-7 against big time opponents, isn’t Ohio State 7-0 against SEC?

But Herstreit picks Ohio State to win NC. I think Boise State is more deserving than Ohio State.

Reality

September 7th, 2010
11:09 am

What a silly question to ask at this point!

Boise State beat VA Tech. Fine. However, no one knows at this point how ‘real’ VA Tech is this year. What if VA Tech loses every game (no, I don’t think it will happen)? Won’t that make Boise State’s win over VA Tech less impressive?

Also, Boise State still plays one of the easiest schedules in all of College Football – ranked something like 100th most difficult. Even if they go undefeated, they should not play for the title.

Boise State simply must increase their strength of schedule in order to play for the title. Otherwise, doesn’t it make sense for teams to go independent and then schedule the easiest teams?

Do we really want to encourage that?

Christian Dior Dogg

September 7th, 2010
11:11 am

Tony, what did you think of the Hokies’ uniforms? I thought they made a daring statement – just like our beloved Dawgs did when they wore those little black jerseys!

Pffft.

September 7th, 2010
11:12 am

How the heck could anyone hear Kirk Herbstreit pick OSU to win the NC with Urban Meyer’s balls on his chin?

Laughing

September 7th, 2010
11:15 am

The Broncos are the luckiest team in the history of college football. Somehow when the broncos play, their ranked opponents are suddenly downgraded to “over-rated” or “unprepared” and make an uncharacteristically large amount of mistakes. Just for that week though – If the Broncos had played them any other week there is no way they would win. On top of it, the officiating crew seems to always go blind or mentally handicapped and make asinine calls that are always in favor of the Broncos… Although subtle at times, LOSERS always play the luck card.

Delbert D.

September 7th, 2010
11:16 am

When the SEC finishes eating their own with this year’s good teams in both division, along with quality OOC opponents in some cases, there may not be a 1-loss SEC team going into the final poll for the BCS.

kauai dawg

September 7th, 2010
11:16 am

I think Boise is a very good team….but to know now the only legitimate or potential loss is Oregon State… that is sad. Couldn’t do it week in and week out in a stronger conf.

As Joe Friday would say “Just the facts mam”

Hoping this year is like a few years back when week in and week out a top 1-2 team lost to shake things up. Maybe Boise will stump their toe against a Hawaii or San Jose St.

Go DAWGS

UGA VII

September 7th, 2010
11:18 am

Boise State would be the dawgs by 4 touchdowns, take their panties, and stuff them into the Clark County Jail.

Delbert D.

September 7th, 2010
11:18 am

Christian Dior..- The VT uniforms looked like something out of a fantasy war game, and Boise State looked like their were wearing practice uni’s.

Boise Dawg

September 7th, 2010
11:19 am

Unfortunately, like every year it is going to come down to the voters and what they think about the entire body of work. For those complaining about BSU’s weak schedule they are not in an ideal position. Style points are going to matter and every game from here on out will be judged not just if they won, but how they won.

Do they deserve to play for the BCS championship? Who the heck knows at this point. It all will depend on so many different variables, including how well Va Tech and Oregon State do the rest of the year. It has already hurt BSU that Oregon State lost to TCU. I say it is a long shot at best… but I’d love to see them play another major team in one of the BCS bowl games. Go Dawgs and Go Broncos!

Boise Dawg

September 7th, 2010
11:22 am

Laughing – What asinine call are you referring too? I didn’t see one call or non call that benefitted Boise State. I did see two non pass intereference calls in favor of Va Tech though. Twice at crucial moments the Va Tech DB hit the BSU receiver just before the ball got there without a call.

help, I live in Ga

September 7th, 2010
11:25 am

Ok. We are going about this the wrong way. Let the Boise Boys play TCU in the Media Championship Game. That would solve all of this in one year. Wait. Think about it. This is exactly what this sport needs. Let the Boise Boys play the Texas Christians in the official National Champ-eenship game.

What would happen next??? We would have an 8 team playoff within a few years. So everybody suck it up for this year. Boycott all sponsors of the Mythical BS Championship game. Encourage your favorite sports writers to vote for schools with weak schedules from weaker conferences.

This is an easy solution to a complex problem.

Go Horned Toads!!!

Go Blue Fields!!!

Bama who? Florida who? Ohio State what?

Excuses

September 7th, 2010
11:25 am

Last year, after BSU embarrassed Oregon in the season opener, everyone took the wait and see approach. Hey, let’s wait and see how good Oregon really is – After that performance they’ll probably lose a lot of their games. What happened?… Oregon obliterated nearly everyone on their schedule and became the PAC 10 champs. Did that help the Bronco’s case? Nope, turns out Oregon was only an elite team from week 2 on. If Boise had played them any other week… Blah blah blah. Listen up nay-sayers!… Boise is good, and if you can’t admit that, at least stop making tired old excuses based on logic developed on your elementary school playground. You’re only making yourself look like a fool.

Snellville GT

September 7th, 2010
11:28 am

Before last night’s game, I feared VT. After watching the whole game, I know Georgia Tech is going to beat VT this season, and would also beat Boise State, if they played them.

Score Check

September 7th, 2010
11:29 am

Strength of schedule matters. If you don’t believe it then just ask Auburn.

Score Check

September 7th, 2010
11:32 am

The ACC has looked pretty weak in week 1.

UNC looses to a bad LSU team
UM looses to a Service Academy team
VT looses to an overrated BSU team

Gimme a break

September 7th, 2010
11:32 am

You can’t reward them with a chance to play in the MNC for playing 1 tough game a year. There is no excuse for them not to blow out every other team they play this year. VT has been dominating a weak a$$ ACC for the past few years anyway and has been WAY overranked. Boise did look good. They are well coached. Invite them to play in the SEC, BIG 12 or the much improved ACC conferences and they are a 3 loss team easily.

Score Check

September 7th, 2010
11:33 am

correction

UM struggles against a Service Academy team

Boise Dawg

September 7th, 2010
11:34 am

Snellville GT – Boise State’s biggest weakness is their pass defense. (they really miss Kyle Wilson) The biggest suprise last night for me is that Va Tech didn’t try and exploit it more. Their run defense on the other hand is very stout and they have great speed on the line and at line backer and their DBs tackle very well.

Unless Ga Tech has developed a passing game I am unware of… I think Boise State would be a total mismatch in favor of the Broncos.

Gimme a break

September 7th, 2010
11:34 am

Excuses- the PAC 10 isn’t much more competitive than the WAC. I wouldn’t put too much stock in the fact that they beat ORegon.

G8R GRAD

September 7th, 2010
11:35 am

On point:

Let Boise State play in the Sugar Bowl.

Off point:

The very definition of “Poetic Justice” is

Jax State – 49, Ole Miss – 48 ! ! !

Wow, what a “diffrence-maker” Masoli turned out to (not) be !

Otto

September 7th, 2010
11:35 am

VT’s DL grew up alot in that game. IMO in week 3 VT would have handled Boise St.

I do hope VT falls on their face to take away from the Boise win.

However, part of me hopes Boise makes the BCS title game against an SEC champ and it turns into UGA/Hawaii.

Boise State in Athens

September 7th, 2010
11:36 am

Boise State played UGA in Athens about 4 or 5 years back and simply was blown out; although the UGA def. allowed third and 4th stringers to eventually play and Boise did rally for some points, only to lose like 44-28 or something. They were humiliated and that was a better comp on how they do vs only average SEC teams like UGA was that particular year. The knew in the first qtr that they were not on the same level ………..I felt sorry for them.

Va Tech also had a huge Chi Fil A lead on UGA abot 4 years back and UGA simply blew them out too with unanswered TDs and field goals. Their fans were stunned.

Folks ………… these two teams ( Va Tech and Boise State) are not heavy weights anymore than a UGA has been and I am a UGA grad. All three progrmas are decent middle weights, not heavies. Sorry it is so true. UGA might be one small notch above them head to head AND with their 3 Sugar Bowl and 2 Capitol One appearances lately, over 9 years.

Go Dogs.

Delbert D.

September 7th, 2010
11:38 am

It’s early lunchtime at the middle schools, it think.

G8R GRAD

September 7th, 2010
11:38 am

And anyone who’d care to pile-on the Gators’ performance this weekend, pleas do so now:

WE LOOKED LIKE A BAD NFL TEAM IN A PRESEASON GAME!

(We are in SO much trouble)

Halsey

September 7th, 2010
11:39 am

Look at Boise’s schedule. 9 of their 12 games are against teams that BCS conference schools get criticized for scheduling. People call a team like San Jose State a weak opponent for Alabama. San Jose State is the type of team that makes up most of Boise’s schedule.

5IML

September 7th, 2010
11:39 am

Does Ole Miss do the Hotty Totty cheer whether they win or lose? Does the cheer even have anything to do with score?

3rdn8

September 7th, 2010
11:40 am

Question for the crowd.

Apparently the argument against BSU is their overall SOS. Various computer models determine rankings by computing the season’s results, and SOS is a major component in the tabulation.

We don’t have (and am afraid will never have) a true playoff.

Would people be more willing to accept the outcome if the BCS eliminated the human component, and relied totally on computer models?

I suspect not.

G8R GRAD

September 7th, 2010
11:40 am

More than 3 losses looks like a foregone conclusion after Saturday!

Big L

September 7th, 2010
11:41 am

If Boise would just join the Pac 10 they would solve their problem. Play a big boy conference schedule and noone will doubt you. But if Boise made the championship game it would kill all playoff talk. Then the BCS would have proof a small team can do it.

WonderDawg

September 7th, 2010
11:43 am

Excuses, who’s the fool? Oregon? An elite team? With 3 losses? And barely beat Arizona in three OTs?

Again, Boise can’t really help which conference they play in, but going 12-0 with the100th toughest schedule doesn’t get them into any championship game in my book.

#1 BAMA FAN

September 7th, 2010
11:46 am

Boise has a good team but the question would be could they prepare and execute every week against quality opponents. Right now they play two or three games usually the first week or bowl games that they have extra time to game plan. It would be interesting to see BAMA play them right now.RTR

gdawginkalamazoo

September 7th, 2010
11:48 am

G8R GRAD, UF just knocking the rust off. I am suprised that Pouncey was moved to center. With all the recruiting you would think that Urban would have had a top center in place to take over, freshman or not.

On Ole Miss, it looks like Nutt should have been game planning instead of worrying about saving Messiah Masoli from the NCAA. Just got what they deserve. Mercenaries are the downfall of many a civilization.

Chris Peterson

September 7th, 2010
11:49 am

What a bunch of whiners. We found a way to work the system. Don’t blame us, blame the system… or, more specifically, blame the Big 10, Big 12, Big East, and PAC 10 for voting against a plus 1 playoff scenerio.

the real Old Gold

September 7th, 2010
11:50 am

I’m sick of fighting with these guys.. Boise in any BCS conference would be 3 deep into their depth chart trying to find enough players with all their limbs left to field a team by game 4.

They’d be: (1-5) vs. the SEC West; (2-4) vs. the ACC Coastal; (3-5) in the Big “10″….. They might win the Big East, but that’s a stretch. I’m not even so sure they’d go undefeated in the ConUSA.

Delbert D.

September 7th, 2010
11:51 am

Whose turn is it to take on Boise State in a Week 1 BCS elimination game next year? Texas? Ohio State? Florida?

3rdn8

September 7th, 2010
11:52 am

Argument for using the Legends Poll.

I prefer the Legends Poll. Last year the pollsters included Frank Broyles, Vince Dooley, Gene Stallings, Pat Dye, and many others (I think there are twenty of them) of the same pettigree.

They actually watch the games, and discuss various outcomes in a conference call.

These are guys who know CFB. They understand nuances like playing on Thursday nights, travel, back-to-back big games, etc..

All-in-all, it is one of the best, and most knowledgable formats going. It certainly beats the Coaches Poll, where most of the voters haven’t seen half of the teams they’re voting on.

Dumbo

September 7th, 2010
11:52 am

Say what you want about the BCS, but Coach of the Year has gotta go to Jack Crowe, for having the cajones to say either we win or lose, but this is the last play…..don’t believe their are but a few coaches would take that chance

SEC - SouthEasternCrybabies

September 7th, 2010
11:53 am

SEC fans are tops in the nation – for making excuses and rationalizations. They spend all of their time and energy caressing their own egos (among other things) and trashing other conferences. I hope Boise makes it to the BCS championship game just to give SEC fans the acid reflux they so richly deserve.

Observer

September 7th, 2010
11:54 am

Don’t knock Boise. They have played and won some big games over the last few years and they are well deserving of the hype, but they have to help themselves stay in WAC and schedule the toughest opponents you can find or move from the conference (maybe PAC10 or BIG 12) and then show what you are made of! Don’t knock the SEC schools because of some soft out of conference scheduling, because the BCS created the system the SEC is just playing by their rules!

Boise Dawg

September 7th, 2010
11:55 am

Boise State would jump at the chance to join the Big 12 or the Pac 12. Problem is… neither of those confrences want them. Heck, the MWC didn’t want them until this summer.

And for all those bama fans out there… I seem to recall you getting whipped by Utah. And didn’t Wyoming beat Tennessee a couple of years ago in Knoxville? Most SEC fans are delusional in thinking the SEC is far superior. Has it been the toughest conference over the last few years? Probably… but there really is less of a discrepancy between conference strength than most will admit.

Jacksonville State anyone? Or how about the might UL- Monroe? Ring any bells Tide fans?

TonyBFan

September 7th, 2010
11:56 am

How many games does Boise have to win to be considered legit? Let’s see… LSU, of the mighty SEC West, barely beats a half-ass Carolina team playing walk-ons so Butch Davis can save redshirts this year. Now, what if LSU beats Alabama and wins the SEC and VaTech rolls into Chapel Hill and routs UNC on the way to the ACC? THEN? I know it’s not possible, LSU beating Bama and Auburn, but IF it were to happen, and Boise runs the table, could we talk about it? I’m just asking?

ViningsTiger

September 7th, 2010
11:59 am

Auburn got knocked in 2004 for scheduling Citadel. Look at Boise’s schedule and most of the teams on it are teams that others criticize the SEC teams for playing.

Boise always plays these big games either the first game of every season or the bowl game, giving them ample time to preapre for them. Let them play an upper tier SEC school in week 4 or 5 and see how they do.

meh

September 7th, 2010
11:59 am

Tony, you forgot a reason they won 50 over the last 4 years. They’ve only played like 5 teams ranked over 40th.

3rdn8

September 7th, 2010
12:01 pm

Speaking of Jack Crowe (he is a Bama grad, so I’m a little biased).

I listened to his interview on the Paul Finebaum show. This is one class act. He got a raw deal at Arkansas, but never complained. He just took his show to the hinterlands of college football, and got busy doing an outstanding job.

A lot of the interview was about his friend Houston Nutt. CFB needs a lot more guys like Jack Crowe,

Boise Dawg

September 7th, 2010
12:03 pm

VinningsTiger – In 2008 Boise St. beat Oregon (in Eugene) with only 1 week to prepare. The game was in late September if I recall….

ManUp...

September 7th, 2010
12:06 pm

As a GT grad, I can say that I actually think the ACC showed a big step forward as a conference this weekend. Our top two games were indeed losses (UNC-LSU and VT-Boise), but they were close, exciting games that came down to the wire. Remember GT-LSU from just two seasons ago? Not close. Not exciting. Additionally, our bottom teams all handled their business this weekend, which is more than we have been able to say in the past. No losses to inferior competition, and Maryland surprised us with a win over an arguably better Navy team (although Navy crapped their pants against the Terps’ D-line in the redzone almost all game).

Now as for the SEC’s top teams – still the best. Bar none. But the SEC’s bottom? Well, I think good things are on the way for MSU and Kentucky, but Ole Miss was quite a surprise. Vandy…I’m not sure what to think about that one. What is Northwestern if not the Vandy of the Big 10?

I’m not saying the ACC is better than a certain other conference, but I think this year the conference is more solid top-to-bottom than ever before, and I think an undefeated ACC champ should get the nod over an undefeated from the WAC, MWC, Big East and maybe Pac-10. I think they also get the nod over a 1 loss SEC, Big Ten or Big 12.

Here’s hoping the ACC holds its liquor against tOSU and OU. I think Kansas will be a W for GT and USC an L for UVA.

Directions

September 7th, 2010
12:07 pm

Saw a note last night that VT had only two players on defense that played in at least two games last season. I think VT will get better defensively as the season goes, but they still lose at least two more games. VT is a good team, but not a contender by no stretch of the imagination. Good win by Boise State, but enough with this national championship talk until they play at least three legit teams on their schedule.

coachx

September 7th, 2010
12:07 pm

Boise State needs to play more then 2 solid teams in their 12 game schedule for an undefeated season to really mean something.

Sure they are good team but Iike TB said, there are a lot of good teams.

It would be nice if the Atlanta Falcons could play 2 NFL teams and then 10 Arena League teams to make up a 12 game schedule. They would have a darn good chance of going undefeated too. Then skip the Conference Championship Game (the closest thing college has to a playoff system) with automatic Super Bowl birth. Plus they would not be as beat up, physically, as other teams playing better football teams week in and week out.

I really don’t even get how this is a major arguement. There are better things to discuss.

Boise Dawg

September 7th, 2010
12:07 pm

Also, BSU was supposed to play Virigina Tech the first weekend in October. It was Va Tech and ESPN that insisted on moving the date to Labor Day. BSU resisited at first, but finally agreed when they were able get their open date moved to this Saturday.

Gator CHOMP Champ

September 7th, 2010
12:07 pm

Keep the BCS! What could be superior to having computers and voters subjectively decide who belongs in college football’s Super Bowl? About as absurd as saying the Georgia Bulldogs will beat UF this year, or the next, or the next, or the next….

HugoStiglitz

September 7th, 2010
12:09 pm

ViningsTiger, lets see an upper tier SEC team actually agree to play Boise St, especially after they ruined Va Techs season last night. I would give any SEC team credit if they scheduled them. UGA is the only SEC team that has agreed to play them in the last 8 years.

Buzz

September 7th, 2010
12:12 pm

UGAlien, is that the same Ole Miss that ducked GT? We would have scored 100 on their defense.

byu

September 7th, 2010
12:12 pm

least we forget didnt utah dismantle that same bama team that won last years nc?

as far as nc vs lsu goes….. that it took a total effort by an lsu squad at full strength to essentially beat the 2nd team offense and defense of a decimated nc team speaks for itself. you sec homers cant explain those two games away no matter how hard you try. which brings us to jacksonville state. lmao.

as far as the nc game brackets go…. as long as espn has a contract with the sec it will always be the sec in one bracket and everybody else in the other. that is what happens when espn conducts an infomercial on the sec 24 7. after awhile folks start to buy into the hype.

many feel that the sec is balanced this year and they will beat each other up. so its possible the team that wins the sec could have 2 losses.

does that mean that espn will spin that ‘wheel of destiny’ for the sec as they did for the acc last year?

of course not…….. they never dis the sec. it would be refreshing to see espn compare the arrest records, graduation rates and the ncaa violation committed by the sec vs the other conferences.

the sec is really not a college football conference as much as it is a semi pro league.

amg

September 7th, 2010
12:13 pm

Settle football on the field, a loss is a loss, no excuses. The SEC played SW missouri girls school for the blind this weak and most of there non confrense games are just as silly. The SEC is way over rated. The ACC champ or SEC champ should have to be undefeated or not play in the BCS championship, so one loss teams are OUT. no more BS two loss teams that are backed by money making it. Those days need to end and a playoff would settle everything.

Big Jim

September 7th, 2010
12:14 pm

For the nimrods in former slave states, your teams aren’t better than everyone else’s.
Join an easier conference and stop taking credit for the accomplishments of FLA/ALA/TENN!
1980 was a LOOOONG time ago.

one or two tough games does not a

September 7th, 2010
12:20 pm

schedule make.

lets see this same boise state team play 3-4 brutal games in a row.

for instance i would like them to play gt last 4 games and see how they do.

at vt
miami at home
duke
at ugag

any team that can make it through that stretch of games undefeated has my vote.

as it stands now… boise played ONE tough game and now they have a few weeks to heal and prepare for oregon state. than they have a stretch of cupcakes until the bowls.

while they played great they are not deserving even if they go undefeated. they never really get beat up like teams with tough schedules do.

CalGatorBrotha

September 7th, 2010
12:20 pm

Boise won that game …if they so happen to win all their games I say let em go to the title game…vs whoever is the next best team…and settle it….end of story

kyle

September 7th, 2010
12:23 pm

if Boise State is the only undefeated team or one of only two at regular seasons end, then I say let them play in the title game. I also think it depends on how VT fares, if they end up 12-1 and win the ACC then Boise is obviously legit. But im tired of hearing about the “should a non bcs team play in the title game”, let them play and see what happens

i guess white men CAN jump

September 7th, 2010
12:27 pm

as i saw it…

a team of many white players and a few black players beat up a team of many black players and a few white players.

Pffft.

September 7th, 2010
12:27 pm

Buzz…GT could not put up 100 on half the highschools around here. THey certainly couldn’t put up 100 on Ole Miss. If anything GT squeaks out a victory just as J-ville State did.

Big Jim: RIIIIIght. The SEC and our sham of a conference should aspire to Big 10 standards where THE Ohio State University gets an automatic BCS bowl by playing 2 tough games a year…3 when the scheduling gods don’t smile on the buckeyes. Frankly I am suprised that more people aren’t comparing OSU to Boise State here. They are the same in my mind. Conference Championship next year…at least OSU will have to earn it for a change.

If you don’t live in the south…good. If you do…half of the interstates will take you back up north. We don’t need you, your condescension, or your lack of courtesy. Good Day.

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
12:30 pm

Last night’s win makes Boise 5-3 against bcs conference teams since 2005.

So if that record is reflective of how they would do playing in a bcs conference then they would be 5-3 in the SEC or ACC which is decent but not great. Certainly not good enough to play in the title game.

Overall strength of schedule has to be a big factor since Boise essentially is playing a 2 game season this year with 24th ranked Oregon State coming up. Could anyone imagine how much complaining folks would do if an Alabama or Georgia won one big game against VT, one game over a better than average Oregon State team, and then beat San Jose State or Louisian Lafayette caliber teams the next 10 weeks to get into the big game? Wouldn’t be fair would it?

G8R GRAD

September 7th, 2010
12:35 pm

Thanks, gdawg:

Add to his new role as center, Pouncey’s asked to “pull” for our running game.
I’m not aware of any center asked to perform such double duty.
More than once, it was evident that Mike was thinking more about (or anticipating) his block than the snap.
Being a former guard, I can understand the coaches wanting to enlist his talent, but at what cost?
I think this weekend’s game showed us that it’s too much.
As troubling is the under-performance of our running game.
To wit:
Minus Demps’ 72 yard scamper and excluding 55 yards lost to bad snaps, the Gators had 82 yards rushing on 25 carries, or 3.3 yards per carry!
:-(

The Important Components

September 7th, 2010
12:35 pm

Boise State Bowl History:

1999 – 3 pt win over Louisville
2000 – 15 pt win over UTEP
2002 – 18 pt win over Iowa State
2003 – 3 pt win over TCU
2004 – 4 pt LOSS to Louisville
2005 – 6 pt LOSS to Boston College (They also got hammered in Athens by 4 TD’s)
2006 – 1pt win over Oklahoma (An Oklahoma team that lost to Texas & Oregon)
2007 – 3 pt LOSS to East Carolina
2008 – 1 pt LOSS to TCU
2009 – 7 pt win over TCU

So basically BSU’s entire bowl record includes wins over traditional powers TCU, Louisville, Iowa State, & UTEP along with their signature win over a 3 loss Oklahoma team on the last play of the game. Where are the wins over USC, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, LSU, Auburn, GA, FL, Texas, Miami, FSU, Nebraska, Tennessee, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Iowa, etc?

Does Boise have a win over a team who has won a MNC in the last 50 years?

So this team beats a VT team that lacks a win verses a real power in the last 10 years……….and they aren’t NC material? How is the Oklahoma game relevant and their trip to Athens isn’t?

Just the FACTS

September 7th, 2010
12:36 pm

We’ve seen those championship games push teams over the top of teams without championship games in the final BCS Standings (Remember Georgia in 2007?) THAT will be a fun argument.

Tony

Refresh my memory but didn’t UGA lose 2 conference games in 2007, which put Tenn. in the SEC Championship game. Why would anyone think UGA got passed over for not being in a conference championship. They weren’t good enough to be in that game, which by default keeps them out of the National Championship. I know it’s not a requirement to win your conference championship to get into the BIG game but it seems quite obvious. I know UGA had a great team that year but they in no way should have been thought of to be in the NC game. LSU had two losses but they were both in overtime and they qualified to be in the SEC championship. Tennessee got in because it routed UGA during the season. Correct me if i’m wrong but i believe i’m stating Just the FACTS.

gdawginkalamazoo

September 7th, 2010
12:37 pm

Strength of schedule is their biggest problem. Holy cow. IMO I don’t think they get by Oregon State next week which would remove any question of a BCS title game. Pretty damn week line-up.

Boise Dawg

September 7th, 2010
12:38 pm

Tide Rising – Lets assume that an undefeated or 1 loss Alabama squad is a lock for the BCS title game this year.

Who would you rather face in the title game? Undefeated Boise State? Or a 1 loss Ohio State, Texas, Oklahoma… ect.. No wrong answer here.. just curious?

As a Georgia fan in that situation I would rather play and beat an undefeated Boise State team.

gdawginkalamazoo

September 7th, 2010
12:40 pm

But I guess we will see after they play the game.

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
12:41 pm

byu,

While you’re going back in the past to mention that Utah beat Bama why don’t you also mention that Bama beat BYU a few years back? Why did you not mention that Bama is 5-1 against the WAC?

Utah did not beat last year’s Bama team. They beat an 08 team that wasn’t particularly interested in the game anyway after losing the chance at being in the big game and being paired with Utah as opposed to playing Ohio State. Do you really think we were excited to play Utah over Ohio State?

People like yourself just don’t get it. Teams like Utah and Boise are excellent teams and can get up, put it all together, and beat bcs conference teams like Alabama as they have proved. The key is can they do it on a consistent basis and the answer is a resounding no. Could they play an SEC schedule and go unbeaten or one loss in an SEC season. The answer is an emphatic no. Winning one or 2 big games a year doesn’t make you worldbeaters. It just means you won that one game.

Nurse Rachet

September 7th, 2010
12:45 pm

SEC Fan Have you lost your mind???? ACC is over-rated based on the loss last night. What a dimwit you are. It was a great game and neither team deserved to lose. Take your SEC hype and go stick your head in the toilet. Let’s see if Ga will schedule them now pal or any other SEC team for that matter.

gdawginkalamazoo

September 7th, 2010
12:45 pm

Just the FACTS, you are correct UGA didn’t deserve a sniff at that NC game. IMO you have to play the entire season you cannot take any games off like UGA did against SC and UT that year. Hopefully Richt has learned that lesson and won’t let up at anytime during any game this season.

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
12:45 pm

Boise Dawg,

I would rather play an undefeated Boise because our odds of winning would be much better. I think Boise is an excellent team but lets face it. They just don’t have the physical horses on the line of scrimmage to play with an Alabama or Florida or Georgia. Did you see their O-line and D-lines? Those were not SEC caliber lineman. And beating VT doesn’t mean a whole lot to me as they don’t have the talent of the 3 sec teams I just mentioned. Hell we steamrolled them for 500 yds offense last year with 8 new Offensive starters.

HugoStiglitz

September 7th, 2010
12:46 pm

Why are SEC fans the ones that seem most threatened by Boise St? Are they afraid that a 1 loss SEC team is going to get left out this year? You know, if you guys would just schedule Boise St and beat them in the regular season then you wouldnt have to worry about it. Maybe Ole Miss will show them whos boss next year. lol.

schmeckdawg

September 7th, 2010
12:47 pm

Anybody besides me really glad Bud Foster didn’t take the D-Coordinator job at UGA!

Yonizzle25

September 7th, 2010
12:48 pm

I don’t why but big teams that play bosie state make some dumbiest plays to start the game. How stupid do you have to be to get two roughing the kicker penalties in a row??????he ran bye the kicker and pushed him…why number 18

Boise Dawg

September 7th, 2010
12:51 pm

Why does everyone just assume that Boise State couldn’t be successful playing an SEC schedule? I think these are the same folks that assumed Va Tech would destroy Boise State. Very rarely do you have more than 1 or 2 tough games in a row… and there are usually a few weak SEC teams every year (Ole Miss, Vandy, Kentucky, Miss State) – these teams strike fear?

pfttt your an f'in dimwit

September 7th, 2010
12:51 pm

the sec makes its rep in the bowls. And espn touts how great the sec is day in an day out. is it a coincidence that of all the conferences espn aligns itself with the conference with the most fans in the seats? i think not.

the number of fans in the seats does not necessarily mean that a team or a conference is a top team. look at that joke of a school in columbia sc for instance.

last time i looked espn and the sec use the clout of their dollars to arrange a bowl schedule that favors the sec big time.

lets reverse things abit and let the acc or the big 10 cherry pick their opponents. i do think that the sec would start losing a lot more bowl games.

at some point congress will get involved because there is collusion between the sec and espn to control the college landscape and the dollars and sense.

bank on it.

more often than not the sec plays at home or close to home. And the matchups are made in heaven. …. that is if your an sec team.

sec is a semi pro league that plays college teams.

OB-1

September 7th, 2010
12:53 pm

SEC Fan
September 7th, 2010
7:55 am
Boise just proved last night that Va. Tech and the ACC are overrated. ACC is 0 – 2 in the big games so far this season.
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At least the ACC has played big games already, unless you want to count N’Western beating Vandy, Jax St beating Miss.

gdawginkalamazoo

September 7th, 2010
12:55 pm

Hugo, “Maybe Ole Miss will show them whos boss next year. lol.” Funny because Houston Nutt will be breaking in a new QB next year.

KR

September 7th, 2010
12:56 pm

5IML wrote: “What’s the over-under for this Thursday’s game. Auburn has no defense, and the jury is still out on Miss St.’s D.

I see: Auburn 55, MSU 49 (2OT)”

Flip a coin on this one. I told my wife Saturday that it’s not often that I can watch Auburn hang over 50 in a win and still be disappointed. But I was this weekend.

Our offense does not appear to have the ability to sustain a clock burning drive. This could be a problem if you’re trying to keep the defense rested.

Our defense does not appear to have gotten any better from last year. It’s pretty odd, because for most of my life Auburn has been known for having good defenses. Just not lately… Someone (I think on this board) referred to it as the “Leaky Roof” defense, which seems pretty appropriate.

Hopefully we look a little better on Thursday.

WAR EAGLE!

As to Boise, let’s see how the season unfolds before penciling them into or erasing them from the BCS championship game.

Just the FACTS

September 7th, 2010
12:57 pm

The Important Components

Where are the wins over USC, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, LSU, Auburn, GA, FL, Texas, Miami, FSU, Nebraska, Tennessee, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Iowa, etc?
Does Boise have a win over a team who has won a MNC in the last 50 years?

You just answered your own question. They beat Oklahoma, which has more MNC titles than UGA has. Your didn’t mention Alabama who has a MNC. By the way, has any team accepted an invitation to play Boise State at Boise State. Every game that BSU plays is an away game. I don’t think UGA went back to Boise for the home/home series. That’s funny how most team won’t play Boise anywhere other than their home field. Must be scared. We can definitely agree that the Boise team UGA played in 2004 is not the same team the last 2-3 years.

Boise Dawg

September 7th, 2010
12:59 pm

Tide – I don’t agree with the line of scrimage argument. Utah didn’t have much trouble with Alabama’s line of scrimmage. And this isn’t the first time Boise has outmanned another top team. Go back and watch that Oklahoma game in the Fiesta Bowl.. or Oregon the last two years. I am not saying their lineman are better than Bama, Florida or Georgia.. but I think they could hold their own.

Alabama may have whipped Va Tech last year, but that same Va Tech team whipped a Tennessee team that almost beat Alabama.

hey tide rising

September 7th, 2010
1:00 pm

didnt bama fans say that utah couldnt hang with bama either?

dont know what game you were watching but i saw a smaller boise team with very fast athletic players outplay a team with your style of player.

not only that but they flew 3000 miles and beat vt at their place to boot. lets see how well an sec team fairs when they have to fly to the west coast and play a good team like a usc etc.

oh i forget…. sec teams only play close to home and they cherry pick their opponents.

gt

September 7th, 2010
1:02 pm

The ACC can’t be overrated when they are not rated in the first place. The “best team” in the ACC was 10th? I don’t think Va Tech was ever the best team, but they have one of the largest stadiums which seems to work for everybody but Auburn as far as over hype. I went down and saw Auburn play Saturday night and if they can figure out a defense they are the best team in the SEC. This kid Cam Newton is special, they have great running backs, average defense. If they aren’t South Carolina is. You can almost see people like Tony trying to position themselves for the fall. Neither of these teams were very much on anybody’s radar, but they sure were there to figure out, and the big bucks have not done much of a job.

Now about Va. Tech. They played a repeat of the game they played in Atlanta last year. This team is under conditioned, undisciplined and under coached. They have been that way for quiet a while, and have sloughed a certain kind of player off on particularly the Atlanta Falcons that have that flash in the first quarter, and dud in the fourth when the real counting is done. ” We had no idea that Vick had a character problem”. Keep playing dumb, Tony and the rest of the experts, but someone tell the Falcons no more Va Tech players no matter what Tony says they look like.

Just the FACTS

September 7th, 2010
1:02 pm

Tide Rising

Don’t get high and mighty about Bama. Until Saban got there, they were in complete disarray. I believe they went through 3-4 coaches in less than a decade. You can’t say that Boise State wouldn’t be able to go through the SEC and have and undefeated season or one loss season. But if they did have a 1-2 loss season then maybe they would get more appreciation b/c their in the SEC.

eagledawg

September 7th, 2010
1:04 pm

Can you spell “play-off system” ?

Pffft.

September 7th, 2010
1:06 pm

What are you talking about!? You think Bama wanted to play Boise State 2 years ago? You think UGA wanted to play HI before that?

You must be an eaven dimmer-wit! It is the ROSE BOWL, The Big 10, and the Pac 10…that are blocking any progress. The Top Conference, SEC say ‘lets play’ a playoff because WE already do. The outsiders looking in, Boise State say ‘let’s play’ a playoff because they want and deserve a legitimate shot. The middling to poor conferences, ACC, Big 10, and Pac 10 will do anything to keep the status quo and their easy shot at a big money BCS payout…including making the Rose Bowl out to be something other than a yearly ‘has been’ bowl match up. If it were anything other than that, they would have had the sack to schedule a USC/UGA matchup. Instead the Rose Bowl got its wish and a USC/Illinois match up and the Sugar got an equally poor UGA/HI match up.

Rose bowl and BCS conferences without a Conference championship are the biggest problems in College Football–YOU can bank on that.

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
1:06 pm

Hugo,

No one is afraid of Boise. But as an Alabama fan I am certainly worried that an unbeaten Boise team could get in over a 1 loss Alabama team if we win the sec with one loss And for the record this is how Boise fares over the long haul against bcs conference competition.

Boise vs big 12 2-0, vs SEC 0-4, vs PAC 10 4-9, vs ACC 0-1, vs big 10 0-1.

Collectively Boise is 6-15 against these 5 bcs conferences.

Now lets look at just one conference, the SEC as an example, against the conference that Boise plays in the WAC.

Florida 5-0
Georgia 4-0
Tennessee 14-0
LSU 12-1
AU 7-1
Ark 12-2
Bama 5-1
Ole Miss 5-1
Uk 1-0
S, Carolina 2-1
MSU 2-2
Vandy 1-2
One SEC team with a losing record against the WAC.

We can talk all day about one game exceptions here and there like Boise’s win last night or Utah beating Alabama. But lets talk about consistency over numerous games as opposed to one game .Bottom line is that based on historical evidence Boise wouldn’t do very well against an SEC schedule based both on Boise’s own results against BCS competition over the long haul and on the SECs overall record against WAC competition. Case closed.

OB-1

September 7th, 2010
1:08 pm

UGAlien
September 7th, 2010
9:50 am
ACC Fan, what are you smoking this morning? The Bronco’s most certainly CANNOT play with any team in the country… and expect to win, that is. They played a crappy team from the crappy ACC last night. Stop trying to pump them up and make them look like it was something special to beat VT. Hell, Ole Miss would have even beat VT last night.

UGAlien
September 7th, 2010
10:06 am
404, VT = Jax State. Get the reference now, moron?

Let’s see a decimated UNC team lost to a “Great SEC” school in LSU by 6 points and VT = Jax State would mean they still beat a “Great SEC” school in Ole’ Miss.
The SEC went 10-2 as the ACC did, Ole Miss lost to a Div II school and Vandy lost to N’Western, these two are ranked in the top 20 academics so they would match up that way, so you can’t claim Vandy is just an academic school.
The ACC schools that lost UNC, depleted, lost to LSU by 6 in the last minutes of the game, and VT lost by 3 in the last minute by a team ranked higher.
On the plus sides the SEC Kentucky did beat Louisville of the Big Least and Maryland beat Navy.

Where can I get some Jorts?

September 7th, 2010
1:08 pm

If they go undefeated then let them play for the title, unless it affects a 1 loss UGA team. Then I say, “Their schedule is too weak to play in the NC game!” Unless it is negatively affecting the Dawgs, then I don’t care who plays in the NC game!

hey WAR chicken

September 7th, 2010
1:11 pm

the fans of teams that bail out of tough games dont have a say in this forum.

gt vs the war chickens for instance.

than again most of the sec bails out of games against tough opponents in venues not to their liking.

buck buck bawk bawk bawk

Just the FACTS

September 7th, 2010
1:11 pm

Tide Rising

That ALA vs VT game last year wasn’t decided until late 4th qtr. They did rack up alot of yards against VT but VT also hung in there and had a shot to win late in the game.

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
1:11 pm

Just the FACTS,

What does Alabama being down in 2000-2004 have to do with the conversation. That is irrelevant.

And based on Boise’s record as posted above vs SEC competition and against bcs competition the answer is YES. I can indeed say that Boise would not go through the sec or a bcs conference schedule unbeaten or with only 1 loss. 6-15 vs bcs competition and 5-3 since 2005 tells us that. JUST THE FACTS SIR.

chazzo

September 7th, 2010
1:13 pm

WAIT! Why wouldn’t an undefeated BSU be playing the 1 loss SEC or ACC team? Man, we have to go to the playoff system. Shorten the regular season and put 16 teams in the playoffs, work the bowls in.

richham

September 7th, 2010
1:14 pm

Wow that schedule is a lot weaker than I imagined. Only two even remotely tough teams. I’m sorry but that schedule is laughable. There are 30 or 40 teams that deserve to get in before them. Kudos to them for beating Virginia Tech, but one solid win does not make you a national title contender.

I guess they can write their congressman and use our government as a platform to waste taxpayer dollars to investigate why they didn’t make it.

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
1:14 pm

Just the FACTS,

Lemme splain some facts to you. Bama had 500 yds total offense to 150 for VT in that game. The only thing that even kept VT in the game was a series of untimely penalties, turnovers, and miscues by Bama. And unless you forgot Bama was pounding VT into the turf at the end. We had a first down around the 10 yd line and Saban just to just run out the clock. We could have tacked on another td to make it a 17 pt margin if we wanted to. VT was completely gassed at that point in the game. JUST THE FACTS SIR.

OB-1

September 7th, 2010
1:16 pm

Score Check
September 7th, 2010
11:32 am
The ACC has looked pretty weak in week 1.
UNC looses to a bad LSU team
UM looses to a Service Academy team
VT looses to an overrated BSU team
Score Check
September 7th, 2010
11:33 am
correction
UM struggles against a Service Academy team.
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And let’s look at the pretty weak 1 in the SEC
The 21st ranked LSU beat a decimated UNC, playing 2nd and 3rd string players by 6 pts.
The mighty Ole’ Miss looses to Jax State
Vandy looses to the Big 10 Vandy in N’Western

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
1:18 pm

Just the facts,

How does being down by 10 pts with Bama driving the ball down to the 10 yard line in the waning moments to tack on a 3 score differential constitute having a shot to win late in the game?

Nurse Rachet

September 7th, 2010
1:18 pm

How funny is this- the poll on ESPN this morning shows 46 states think that Boise should play in the NC game if they go 12-0. 4 state disagree- Texas, Okla, Miss and Ark. Sounds like the SEC and Big 12 don’t want to cede their favorable NC game selections from the past.

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
1:21 pm

Nurse Ratchet,

I’m all for Boise being in the big game if they play a schedule comparable to what OU and Texas see in the big 12 or comparable to what Bama sees in the sec. Let me know when Boise plays more than a 2 game schedule in a season and we’ll be glad to let them in.

jumbeauxtiger

September 7th, 2010
1:23 pm

T3

“Top things learned over the weekend:

2. The SEC looks over-rated this year.”

You based this after Week 1. I will reserve judgment until November.

Geaux Tigers
Go SEC

Just the FACTS

September 7th, 2010
1:25 pm

Tide Rising

Boise States program has really only got going the past 5 or 6 years and especially the last 3-4 years. Let’s look at those number for Boise and see what the record shows. The last loss BSU has had against an SEC team was UGA, which was back in 2004. That’s a long time ago in football years.

Nurse Rachet

September 7th, 2010
1:25 pm

Score Check What a brilliant football mind. Do you know anything about football? Did you play in the 8th grade on 3rd string? Boise overated? Md struggled with Navy- do you know anything about Navy the last few years? Are you aware of the number of UNC players that were not available to play against LSU? You know when you open your mouth you show your ignorance.

Dontavius Supremo

September 7th, 2010
1:28 pm

I still say Boise plays a cream puff schedule and no amount of talk will change that opinion. Talk is cheap, and a win over VT may well have been a fluke. As they say in Missouri, SHOW ME by playing a real schedule.

gcs

September 7th, 2010
1:30 pm

1. Boise still has a LAME conference schedule. If they wanted to impress me they should have scheduled 4 BCS opponents not 2. Don’t give me this bull that nobody wants to play them. If they are a big time program, then shell out the money.
2. How good is Virginia Tech? Every year the press gets all pumped up on the Hokies and every year they lay a big fat egg. If VT goes 8-4, 7-5 or worse, this win may not look so good.
3. Boise only won by 3 points. Oregon State is not looking so tough after TCU spanked them. The Broncos will have to convincingly beat OSU and throttle the rest of their schedule. Last year, they struggled against Tulsa and Div II UC-Davis.

.

jj

September 7th, 2010
1:30 pm

for all u losers that say boise is just like hawaii in 2007 when they got their butts beat in by uga…maybe they are like utah who BLASTED BAMA INTO ANOTHER PLANET!!!! OH FORGOT ABOUT THAT ONE HUH?

jackyldo

September 7th, 2010
1:31 pm

The NCAA loves this stuff,, People argue College Football from Sept.1 – to Dec. 1 and would love to see abc vs. xyz..
The fans want a system where the top 8 or the top 16 play 2 weeks in December take a break for Christmas and then resume with Semi finals and Finals and a real winner is decided..

How stupid is the NCAA? Money would be enormous, plus if you did this with Basketball you’d crown Kansa or UCLA or NCarolina the champ year after year and we’d never see the Butlers, Drakes or Villanova’s have a chance..

Arlo

September 7th, 2010
1:32 pm

Having a good offense that barely beat a young/inexperienced defensive team that isn’t even at the top of their division much less their conference doesn’t confirm Boise’s ranking or their expectations to play for a BCSNC. VT gave Boise a run for their money & I highly doubt that Boise could beat a VT caliber team for a full schedule, much less teams like UGA, ALA, TEX, GT etc.

Nurse Rachet

September 7th, 2010
1:33 pm

Tide Rising Unfortunately you do not get to decide if Boise gets included. They are playing their schedule out just like the SEC teams do. I confess that I am a Bama fan but I am sick and tired of the SEC schools running from tough out of conference teams. Look at the out of conference schedules of the SEC teams. And the ABSOLUTE WORST is Florida. I defy you to find a ranked out of conference team that the Gators have played during the regular season over the past 20 years OR a tough out of conference game that they have played on the road over the past 20 years. I will wait for all you Gators to defend your schedule.

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
1:34 pm

Just the FACTS,

OK. Lets look at just the last 5 years to be fair to Boise. The 48-13 azzkicking at the hands of UGA occurred in 05 not 04. In that 5 year span Boise is 5-3 including last nights win with losses to Oregon State, UGA, and I forget who else. Also lost to TCU of the mwc, Fresno, Hawaii. etc.

5-3 against bcs level competition is decent enough but its not dominant. A 5-3 record would be something like a 3rd place finish in a division of the SEC, ACC, or big 12 south. Boise would do good but not great in the SEC or acc and probably finish something like 8-4 or 9-3 overall with 1 or 2 tough bcs nonconference games a year on top of a regular bcs conference schedule. But not undefeated or 1 loss by any means.

Just the FACTS

September 7th, 2010
1:35 pm

OB-1

I would try to state Just the FACTS but i think it’s pointless with tell you.

Patrick

September 7th, 2010
1:37 pm

To all the arguers who say “how would Boise State fare if they were in the SEC/PAC-10/BIG12, etc” let me ask you this question:
IF they were in one of these conferences then they would have bigger budgets for recruiting (they already have a lot of recruits from CA); they would have better overall players; and they would gain more national respect (not that they haven’t gained a lot over the past 20 years). So BSU is moving from the WAC to the Mountain West (remember UTAH went undefeated and got consideration a few years ago – Urban Meyer ring a bell) where the “competition is bigger/better.

In the meantime all BSU can do is put out the offers to play these bigger schools and what have they done? Simply put up win after win (exception being L’Ville when they were ranked high) not only in the regular season but the bowl games.

So I ask all the haters…Why won’t more big schools take them up on the offer to play BSU? BSU is the elephant in the room everybody wants to bash…but at the same time they don’t want to play!

Nurse Rachet

September 7th, 2010
1:38 pm

Atta boy Patrick- agree completely.

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
1:41 pm

Nurse Ratchet,

I just have to disagree with you on ooc opponents and scheduling. Alabama played VT and Clemson the last 2 years and plays Penn State this year which has won 11 games 3 years in a row.

Georgia plays GT which is good and last year Georgia played Ok state and GT which is equal to what what Boise plays this year in VT and Oregon State.

Florida plays FSU which is ranked and also plays bcs conference member South Florida which has won several big games over the years. South Florida is no joke. This is very comparable to Boise playing VT and 24th ranked Oregon State.

UT has played a lot of big time teams in home and homes over the years like Miami, ND, UCLA, CAL, etc Miss state played Oregon and Ole Miss had a series with Texas Tech when they were good.

And on top of playing at least one really good bcs conference team each year you have to remember that each of these SEC teams has a tough enough conference slate to go along with 1 or 2 tough nonconference games.

Nurse Rachet

September 7th, 2010
1:42 pm

Nurse Rachet Other than FSU for the Gators.

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
1:44 pm

Patrick,

Boise is 5-3 against BCS competition since 2005. That is a decent enough record but is not “putting up win after win” as you say. It is a marginally good but not great record.

Patrick

September 7th, 2010
1:45 pm

Also…why does everyone refer to them as Boise? Would you refer to FSU as “Florida?” How about Georgia State as “Georgia?”

Simple misnaming is either ignorant or just plain disrespectful.

Boise State is located in Boise, but it is not call “Boise University”…

It not only happens in blogs like this…but even the idiots on TV refer to them as “Boise”…and all Boise State does is win, win, win and win…

50+ wins in 5 seasons…

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
1:46 pm

Nurse Ratchet,

South Florida is a very respectable ball club and personally I would put them in roughly the same company as Oregon State over the last several years. They’ve beaten a lot of good teams- just ask AU, West Virginia under Pat White.

gdawginkalamazoo

September 7th, 2010
1:47 pm

jumbeauxtiger, way to keep it close Saturday night. What the hell I was going to bed at the end of the third qtr but NC wouldn’t quit. Hell of a game they put up being short handed and all.

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
1:48 pm

Patrick,

Who wouldn’t put up 50 plus wins in the wac every year. Georgia and Florida have never in their history lost a wac game. Bama just played wac member San Jose State and won 48-3 in a game that wasn’t that close. Could you imagine if we played San Jose caliber teams for the next 5 years or if Georgia played La-Lafayette caliber teams every game for the next 5 years? Who wouldn’t rack up 50 plus wins?

Patrick

September 7th, 2010
1:49 pm

5-3 against BCS competition…what is Ohio State’s record in BCS bowl games the last 10 years? – and what is Boise States record in BCS games?

My point is that they are not in a “big” conference (yet moving to a “bigger and better conference”…but IF you were to level the playing field – them in a big conference with big dollars…then maybe some recruits would be more inclined to go there based on the quality of football they play. Other “big” schools would have to sway them from going to BSU.

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
1:51 pm

Boise 0-4 vs the SEC and 4-9 vs its regional neighbor the PAC 10. That’s all I need to know.

LakeDawg

September 7th, 2010
1:54 pm

Shouldn’t Jax State be in the BCS Championship game if they go undefeated? I mean they did beat Ole Miss.

Cry me a river

September 7th, 2010
1:54 pm

As a graduate of an SEC school, I am truly embarrassed by all of you crybabies. Yes, the SEC is the best football conference in America, but good football is played across this great country. Stop being such sadsack homers and enjoy it! The world will not end if Boise State plays Ohio State for the BCS. Boise is simply working a system they didn’t ask for in the first place.

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
1:55 pm

Patrick,

Ohio State was playing against the nation’s best team when they got smoked by LSU and UF and they narrowly lost to Texas 2 years ago and in the Rose Bowl they beat up on the pac 10 champ last year. But Ohio State did beat defending national champion Miami in 02 when Miami was on a twenty something game winning streak.

Who did Boise beat? A 2 loss OU team and TCU.

Ohio State has played the big boys like USC, TEXAS, LSU, UF, and top ranked Miami in 02. Has Boise played any one other than a 2 loss OU team that was down about missing out on the bcs title game?

Alphare

September 7th, 2010
1:55 pm

To say BSU can climb the ladder if they were in SEC is mindless, look at AR, Ole Miss, Miss State, SoCar, Kentucky, they are good, but have they ever won a championship?

Just the FACTS

September 7th, 2010
1:56 pm

Tide Rising

What does Alabama being down in 2000-2004 have to do with the conversation. That is irrelevant.

It’s is relevant b/c your are stating records over a long period of time. If your going to include BSU’s record then include ALA record.

The ALA vs VT shows that the penalties and turnovers are part of the game and ALA still could of lost. Can you at least admit that. Boise had plenty of penalties and turnovers in the game which prevented them from whooping VT last night. That’s the way VT plays. VT was in the game the whole time any you can’t deny that.

Let’s just see how many losses ALA has by the end of the season and see if they even get considered to repeat.

Blue

September 7th, 2010
1:57 pm

Hey…I’m not even an ACC fan…but at least they played a couple of “somebodies”. SEC??? Not so much (and they caught a HUGE break with the North Carolina situation). But hey…Florida had 30 yards of total offense against Miami (the one in OH that had one win last year). And GA definitely showed UL Directional who the man is. And Ole Miss showed Jax State…ummmm…never mind.

Arlo

September 7th, 2010
1:58 pm

To be considered a “Contender”, shouldn’t you have to play that 13th game before you get to a bowl that is required of the “Big Boy” conferences?

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
2:01 pm

Just the FACTS,

Sorry man but the VT game just wasn’t that close. A 2 score margin with Bama knocking on the door at the end of the game to make it a 3 score margin is not a close game. It was a close game early in the 4th qtr I admit but the final result was not close. VT was in the game the majority of the game. I’m simply stating what happened which is that we pulled away midway through the 4th qtr in a game that statistically wasn’t even close and shouldn’t have even been close. 500 yds total offense to 150 yds total offense tells you that. Kudos to VT for putting up a fight but all Bama fans knew even when we were trailing that we had the game in hand simply from the way we were dominating them on the line of scrimmage. We just blew them off the ball for 60 minutes and that sir is a FACT.

Tebow Lies...When He Cries

September 7th, 2010
2:04 pm

“So I ask all the haters…Why won’t more big schools take them up on the offer to play BSU?”

Thats a joke right???? In the end its all about money, and the bigger schools want to make as much as possible every single Saturday. Where is the money in a stadium that only holds 30k?
Heck SEC schools will gladly pay a smaller school to come in if they can sell 90k+ tickets. Us UGA fans would love to have Boise pay another visit between the hedges. Def was worth the money in ‘05, but Boise hosting UGA out there just wouldn’t make financial sense.

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
2:05 pm

Just the FACTS,

Also we can include Bama’s dismal performance 2000-2004. I’ve no problem with that. Just understand that the majority of those losses were to SEC teams and non con to teams like no. 1 OU in 02 and again in 03 and to UCLA in 2000 and 2001. Also some losses to non bcs conference teams like La-Monroe but for the most part the losses were to regular sec foes. But then Boise lost to some non bcs teams also like hawaii which got exposed big time by Georgia, Fresno, and TCU over the same time frame.

The General Feeling

September 7th, 2010
2:06 pm

Tony,

Why must you media-type talking heads ask this type of question today? Geez.

gdawginkalamazoo

September 7th, 2010
2:06 pm

Arlo, Amen to that!

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
2:07 pm

Boise making another return trip to UGA? I don’t think they want to do that.

Just the FACTS

September 7th, 2010
2:08 pm

Tide Rising

They did blow VT of the ball but i wouldn’t say they did it every down of every play b/c they would of destroyed VT from what your stating. They would have some good plays and then turn the ball over. By default that means they didn’t beat VT on those plays. Those plays are part of the whole game not just an after thought. And by pulling away midway through the 4th qtr is not dominating a game.

Did Bama fans know they had the game in the bag against Tenn or Aub last year?

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
2:08 pm

gdawginzoo,

Read your comment the other day about Bill Curry lying on the Georgia dome turf. “What happened? Did a Bama fan brick him?”.

I have to admit I about fell out of my chair laughing at that one.

Fred

September 7th, 2010
2:09 pm

Boise State IS an impressive team. There are no 2 ways about it. I love to hate the perennially over ranked Hokies, but they TOO are a good football team. That was an awesome game last night.

Boise State is too good for their own good. No decent teams will schedule them for OOC games. Is that their fault? The WAC or MAC or MWC or whatever the hell it is, is no weaker than the Little 11, I mean Big 10. How many times has Ohio State played 1 real team and 11 cupcakes and gotten ion the Nat’l Championship?

I’d like to see an undefeated Boise State get in the National Championship game if for no other reason than to see how they do. Could they do any worse than Oklahoma did against USC a few years ago? I doubt it. As a matter of fact they BEAT Oklahoma a few years ago.

They have paid their dues. to win as many games as they have over the last few years and to have been as consistent as they have been, isn’t easy. If they win out, they should go. Period.

GSU Eagle 91

September 7th, 2010
2:10 pm

UGAlien…you are definitely funny..I appreciate the good humor….
The SEC has 2 VERY good teams, Alabama and Florida….UGA, Auburn and SC are good teams..Nothing more..I can think of a dozen teams that could lay a good whipping on these 3 programs right now that are NOT in the SEC…Then we have Ole Miss, Miss ST, Kentucky, Vandy and UT..What a bunch of stinkers….
VT would beat Ole Miss by 30….
And YES…Boise ST deserves a shot if they win out…..But as a 1-AA fan..I prefer our system that determines its champion on the field….

Les W. Moore

September 7th, 2010
2:11 pm

Tony,

You cover southern football, don’t you? You must have seen the near upset of Appy State over the weekend. Right? Unranked Chattanooga lead third-rnaked ASU going into the 4th quarter before ASU scored 4 TD’s in a matter of minutes and took the lead. Chattanooga then drove the field for a TD and went for the 2-point converstion, and the win, with 51 seconds remaining. ASU held on for 42-41 barn-burner.

Beast from the East

September 7th, 2010
2:15 pm

Nurse Ratchet,
I agree that UF’s non-conf schedule is not what it could be, but to answer your question about who have they played out of conference in the last 20 years: FSU (every year), Miami and USF are just a few off of the top of my head. What team do you pull for and what’s their non-conf schedule look like most years?

Patrick

September 7th, 2010
2:15 pm

I didn’t see UGA offer to make the trip to BSU did we? Why no home/home agreements? Will you see any big conference make the trip to Boise to play BSU?

Alphare

September 7th, 2010
2:16 pm

Houston Nutt lets NCAA decide until the last minute who will play QB for him. Yes, smart move, coach Nutt.

Helmet Head on riding the Short Bus

September 7th, 2010
2:19 pm

The SEC is the DOMINANT conference….then comes the BIG TEN …then Pac 10…then ACC…then the Big 12…the Big East…where is the Midwest..WAK…Mountain Valley…not in the same league…
Look at the SEC/ACC/BIG TEN..every team has a chance to get beat on the road, and they all must play a big game at homes on each conference rotation. The Big 12 teams have only Texas and Oklahoma after Nebraska leaves next year…
Boise St. will not have but one game left that is even in the same league as a second tier SEC game and that is against a PAC 10 also ran…up and comer…

John Brantley

September 7th, 2010
2:30 pm

Blue 17, Orange 34, hut hut hike!

Hey, WTF where’s the ball Pouncey!

Alphare

September 7th, 2010
2:31 pm

It really doesn’t matter what we all say, it’s the polls that decide who plays for the crystal ball. Currently BSU is ranked #3 behind BAMA and Ohio State, if they don’t lose, they can only move higher. If BAMA or Ohio State ever loses a game, BSU will be in 2nd or 1st.

BSU basically plays all cup cakes for the rest of the season, they are expected to win with big margins for most games, like TN did to TN-Martin, UGA did to SJSU, Miss State did to Charlston-Southern, Tech did to LA-Lafayette (man, I can only remember these 4 games). So, it’s hard to move them downward.

Alphare

September 7th, 2010
2:35 pm

BTW, BSU just garnered more 1st place votes in the latest AP poll:

# 1.Alabama (47)
# 2.Ohio St. (4)
# 3.Boise St. (8)

compared to last week’s:

# 1.Alabama (54)
# 2.Ohio St. (3)
# 3.Boise St. (1)

SOUTHGADAWG88

September 7th, 2010
2:35 pm

Well if VT and OSU both end up 8-4 then what?

gdawginkalamazoo

September 7th, 2010
2:38 pm

Got any Rebels fan on here today? What did you guys think of that game Saturday?

jumbeauxtiger

September 7th, 2010
2:41 pm

gdawginkal,

Yes the Tigers kept it close. We had our chance in the 3rd quarter and early in the 4th to put it away. Have to give the Tar Heels credit for not giving up. It was a great effort on their part and a tough loss for them.

I was pleased that the Tigers shut down their running game (26 yds) and our rush, at least in that game, was better than it looked last season. Giving up over 200 yards passing on 3 plays is a concern and that will cost us a game if that continues.

OB-1

September 7th, 2010
2:43 pm

Just the FACTS
September 7th, 2010
1:35 pm
OB-1
I would try to state Just the FACTS but i think it’s pointless with tell you.
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Please state your “facts”, I don’t mind being proved wrong, if not then your post is pointless.

John

September 7th, 2010
2:47 pm

Tony,

Boise should go to the championship over a 12-1 ACC team, because a 12-1 ACC team is only a 8-4 SEC team.

Just the FACTS

September 7th, 2010
2:49 pm

OB-1

September 7th, 2010
2:43 pm

I thought your earlier posts were your own writing but i’ve noticed that you were just posting someone elses comments. There is no point then. My bad

HugoStiglitz

September 7th, 2010
2:50 pm

Another thing I hope happens. TCU is 4th in the AP poll now. What if there are no undefeated teams except TCU and Boise St? Would they play each other for the MNC? How all SEC and Big Ten fans cry together about it?

Just the FACTS

September 7th, 2010
2:51 pm

John

September 7th, 2010
2:47 pm
Tony,

Boise should go to the championship over a 12-1 ACC team, because a 12-1 ACC team is only a 8-4 SEC team.

Can explain your reasoning on this one? Is there a tool that is used or a software program that allows you to come up with this ratio?

Exley DAWG

September 7th, 2010
3:01 pm

The fact that writers are already talking about 12-0 for this team is in itself a joke! I mean, come on. Fact is, even though Ole Miss stunk it up this week, they will defeat a stronger SEC team this year because of the “grind”

gdawginkalamazoo

September 7th, 2010
3:01 pm

John,

“because a 12-1 ACC team is only a 8-4 SEC team.”

How the hell did you come up with that? My program figured 6-5 SEC team.

76-DAWG

September 7th, 2010
3:02 pm

I don’t care if BS play’s for the title or not , the SEC will have 8 to 10 teams play in bowl games. That’s what I care about.But, the only thing you worry about is whether another team other than the SEC champion will take care of business like the SEC champion would if they play BS for the title. If the SEC champion play’s BS for the championship , BS will be embarrassed. If CMR and UGA is in that game I think he will ease up , which he should not do. If Saban, Spurrier, or Myers get in the game against BS I think they will try and beat BS eyes out. So there is a conflict of interest . CMR was on more than one occasion beating the hell out of a team before half and go into a run out the clock mode by changing the game plan and let the other team score a few times to make the final score respectable, when he could have kept the pedal down and made a statement. He doesn.t have the killer instinct like Saban, Spurrier, or Myers. Do you pull for UGA knowing they want embarrass BS or hope someone else will win the SEC so they will beat the hell out of BS and stop this foolish crap once and for all .

SOUTHGADAWG88

September 7th, 2010
3:02 pm

Well when was the last time an ACC team has beaten one of the top 5 SEC teams?

bamaguy

September 7th, 2010
3:09 pm

If Boise State wants to be taken seriously, they need to join the Pac 10 (or whatever it is these days).

Alphare

September 7th, 2010
3:09 pm

Well, BSU is closer to being #2 than we thought. Look at the total point difference between Ohio State and BSU, they are basically tied for #2. If you look at the risks facing BAMA and Ohio State with their SOS, don’t you think BSU and TCU are more likely in NC game than otherwise?

Rank……..Team…………Record..Pts…….Last Week
1…………..Alabama (47)..1-0…..1484………1
2…………..Ohio St. (4) ….1-0…..1412………2
3…………..Boise St. (8)….1-0…..1399………3
4…………..TCU…………….1-0……1256………6

Beast from the East

September 7th, 2010
3:10 pm

SOUTHGADAWG88,
Are you serious? Well, how about GT over UGA 2008? I know UGA did not perform as well as the pre-season rankings, but they were still one of the top 5 teams in the SEC that year (and just about every year). I’m an SEC guy, but that was a pretty silly question for a Dawg to ask!

bruce mac

September 7th, 2010
3:10 pm

Come on Southgadawg. Don’t be so specific. Tech can beat Vandy and MS ST and that is what they hang there hat on. So what if neither team won an SEC game except beating each other. They still think it is a big deal anytime they beat anyone. Gailey beat Auburn when Auburn was ranked in top 5 or so, maybe 6 or 7 years back.

Beast from the East

September 7th, 2010
3:13 pm

Alphare,
You may be right. But let’s see how they rank in the BCS poll when SOS is factored in by the computers. BSU and TCU could drop down to the 5 and 6 spots as the season goes on due to that.

76-DAWG

September 7th, 2010
3:18 pm

Bottom line is if we had a playoff system in place, this problem with BS , Utah, TCU and even Notre Dame would take care of itself. Then there wouldn’t be any question who deserved the title. It would also make pre – season polls make the rankings more realistic. And it would make all the ” cheat the system” teams schedule harder opponents to insure they made it to the final 8 teams to qualify for the playoff. THE NCAA NEEDS TO STOP LIVING IN THE DARK AGES , GET OFF THEIR HIGH HORSE AND ESTABLISH SOME CREDIBILITY WITH THE FANS.

OB-1

September 7th, 2010
3:24 pm

My being an ACC fan I will admit that the SEC is the premier conference in the nation, but they have 2 great teams, 6 good teams that rise and fall in a cycle that compete with the top 2 for the title and up to 4 cellar dwellers. Most conferences have this same core. The ACC has them, the Big 10 and 12, the PAC. What puts the SEC above all is their top is tops but when you get into the middle and lower it’s on any given Saturday. When/if Miami and FSU come back up to the top where they were for 10+ years then the ACC will be viewed in a different light because then there will be 4 or 5 fighting for top billing, The U, FSU, VT, Clemson, and GT, not to mention BC who were highly touted before coming to the ACC.

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
3:25 pm

Patrick,

Teams like Alabama, UGA, etc would not go to Boise for a home and home for one reason. Stadium size which translates into money. There’s a lot more money to be raised playing in a 102,000 seat stadium like Alabama then going and playing in a 30,000 seat stadium in Boise. It would cost a team like Alabama or any of the top tier SEC teams a tremendous amount of money in terms of lost revenue to go to Boise instead of playing at home.

gdawginkalamazoo

September 7th, 2010
3:29 pm

OB-1 IMO the ACC is the conference to watch this year. Two great games to watch with VT and NC playing in the prime time and I expect to see a battle for the ACC title this year. Should be some good football.

Just the FACTS

September 7th, 2010
3:30 pm

76-DAWG

Well why even play the MNC. Let’s just award it to an SEC team now b/c we all know that whichever SEC team wins the championship then it’s a done deal. Oh yeah, If UGA is even considered for the National title then i think i’ll have been in another universe. It’s been 30 years buddy!

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
3:30 pm

What nobody is saying is that since 1998 the inaugural year of the BCS it has largely worked with the exception of one year 2004. Someone please show me a year other than 2004 when AU got left out that the bcs did not work? And I don’t want to hear about Georgia in 2007. That was an excellent Georgia team but if you can’t win your own division you have no argument.

Love College Football

September 7th, 2010
3:30 pm

It’s awesome ( and pretty hilarious) that Masoli was outplayed by the freshman QB at JSU.

Houston we have a problem.

Alphare

September 7th, 2010
3:33 pm

Beast,

BCS is a four-part point-system using (1)national polls, (2)computer rankings, (3)strength of schedule and (4)won-loss record.

If BSU and TCU win out, they definitely have #1 and #4 in their favors as shown in the latest AP poll. SOS are not in their favor. So it’s a 2-1 in their favor with #1, 3 & 4.

Computer Ranking is a mixed bag of win/loss, winning margin and SOS. My guess is about 0.7 to 0.3 not in their favor.

So, all in all, SOS considered, the odd is about 2.3 to 1.7 in their favor for a 12-0 BSU/TCU vs a 1-loss BAMA/OSU.

Of course, they have no chance against a 12-0 SEC team because of the SOS.

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
3:35 pm

Just the FACTS,

Yes. All things being equal they probably will just pencil in the sec champion for one slot. Going by the facts nobody should have a problem with this. The facts are that the SEC consistenly has the best nonconference winning %, the best bowl record, and 4 straight bcs titles shows that all things being equal the SEC champion should get one of the 2 bcs slots.

OB-1

September 7th, 2010
3:35 pm

gdawginkalamazoo

September 7th, 2010
3:29 pm
OB-1 IMO the ACC is the conference to watch this year. Two great games to watch with VT and NC playing in the prime time and I expect to see a battle for the ACC title this year. Should be some good football.
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UGA Dawg in Kalamazoo, Mi. huh,and I thought I was lost being in St. Joe, Mi.rootin fo the Hoos, go figure.

SOUTHGADAWG88

September 7th, 2010
3:40 pm

GT is 1-9 against UGA that is exactly my point!

Just the FACTS

September 7th, 2010
3:41 pm

Tide Rising

Sounds like the Big Boys from the SEC only like playing in their back yard. Have it at a bigger stadium near Boise like the game last night.

Just the FACTS

September 7th, 2010
3:43 pm

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
3:30 pm

Well stated

G8R GRAD

September 7th, 2010
3:44 pm

“Houston, we have a problem!”

:-D

Just the FACTS

September 7th, 2010
3:47 pm

SOUTHGADAWG88

September 7th, 2010
3:40 pm
GT is 1-9 against UGA that is exactly my point!

Did football start at UGA when MR took over a the head coaching position? I think all UGA fans like to forget about the years before MR especially the the Jim Donnan years.

Patrick

September 7th, 2010
3:47 pm

I understand the argument that the stadium only holds 32,000 people; however, that can’t be your only argument, Tide.

They played at a “neutral” field last night and handled the circumstances. It’s obvious that they don’t fear the bright lights and big cities.

Unfortunately, like I said earlier, they are handling their business in an efficient manner. And until they find themselves in a “bigger” conference they will continue to extend the offer to play these bigger schools either away or on a neutral field.

You can only penalize them so much for scheduling out of conference games with the likes of the PAC-10 northwestern schools.

And do you really think the PAC-10 would want someone like BSU to be invited to their conference and potentially have them make waves? I mean that’s why they went after the BIG-12 schools because they are all “established” and rich with “tradition.”

Let’s give BSU the same opportunity and see what happens!

Beast from the East

September 7th, 2010
3:48 pm

Tide,
I agree that the BCS does get it right most years of matching up the #1 and the #2. That’s really all it was designed to do. It’s not a perfect system, but until the money makes sense for a play-off, then it’s the best we have. Personally, I don’t see that happening for a long time…..if ever. Too much money to be made from the bowls coupled with the potential loss of regular season interest like in basketball.

Boise Dawg

September 7th, 2010
3:49 pm

I have been talking to a lot of BSU fans today and not one has stated they think an undefeated BSU team should definitely be in the BCS championship game. I think the sentiment for most is we feel pretty good if Boise State can run the table they should get into a BCS bowl game (Rose Bowl?). Most years this has not been a given. The fans in Boise understand where the WAC stands. Do the fans want to be in a better conference? You better believe it… this is a progression though and it could take another 10 years of success for them to make the next step.

The fact that we are even having this debate is remarkable. Heck Boise State wasn’t even a Division I (FBS) team until 1992. Their progress in the last 15 years has been amazing and good for college football.

Given that Boise is now 2-0 in BCS bowl games how can anyone say they are’t deserving. If havoc enuses and we are left with several 1 and 2 loss teams and Boise gets into the championship game, then I think that is great.

It is a long season and I don’t care what anyone says about the WAC. Boise State could easily lose a game. Nevada probably has the best chance as they have come the closests in recent years and should have another dangerous team this year.

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
3:50 pm

Just the facts,

I would have no problem playing Boise. We’ve played neutral site games the last 2 years against Clemson and VT and a neutral game against Boise would be fine. Its just that if we were to play a neutral site opponent I would prefer playing a Clemson, Virginia, or UNC for example for the simple reason that those states have some premier talent that we would get exposure to in the recruiting process. Idaho has little talent and most of Boise’s top players come from California so it wouldn’t serve any purpose for us to play those teams instead of someone like VT. For example the VT game we played last year gave us some good recruiting exposure and we ended up getting a commit from 5 star qb Phillip Sims from Chesapeake, VA. That is the big reason I would rather play a VT than a Boise. There’s really not anything in it for us to play Boise compared to playing someone like VT or Clemson.

Just the FACTS

September 7th, 2010
3:51 pm

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
3:35 pm
Just the FACTS,

Yes. All things being equal they probably will just pencil in the sec champion for one slot. Going by the facts nobody should have a problem with this. The facts are that the SEC consistenly has the best nonconference winning %, the best bowl record, and 4 straight bcs titles shows that all things being equal the SEC champion should get one of the 2 bcs slots.

Your partially right on that. The last 4 years have proven that the SEC has been the top conference but i wasn’t like that until the last decade or two. Miami, OSU, USC, ND used to be the top dogs. Hell ND has a deal with the BCS.

Just the FACTS

September 7th, 2010
3:54 pm

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
3:50 pm

I do understand that but to settle all the nay sayers, just play them and beat them. Play the game in a pro football stadium as close to Boise as possible just to satisfy the Home game thing. that would give both teams good national exposure. Do it on a night like last night with no other game. I’m sure there would be plenty of viewers.

HugoStiglitz

September 7th, 2010
3:55 pm

Tide Rising, the BCS did not work last year 2009 (Boise had a claim) or in 2004 (Auburn) or in 2003 (split MNC), or in 2007 (several teams had a claim). There are probably more then that. You cant say for sure which was the best team in these years because they didnt have to prove it. They won a vote, which is basically just guessing, and may or may not have been accurate.

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
3:57 pm

Patrick,

Stadium size isn’t my only reason why we wouldn’t be that excited to play Boise. Its also for recruiting reasons like what I just posted to Just the FACTS. It serves us no purpose in terms of recruiting to play Boise as opposed to a state team like VT or Clemson where we get exposed to some pretty good high school players. That’s all.

Beast,

I could potentially see a plus one or 4 team playoff. There have been a few years where 3 or sometimes even 4 teams were undefeated and a 4 team playoff would have worked. But I don’t recall every seeing 5 undefeated teams. There has to be a cutoff somewhere and I don’t really think a 5th team every has much of an argument. Sometimes a 3rd or 4th team has a legitimate reason to complain but rarely if ever a 5th team. Can anyone really think of when a 5th team really had a reason to complain about not getting in the bcs title game?

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September 7th, 2010
3:59 pm

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Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
4:02 pm

Hugo,

2003 you may have an argument but that’s it and in that case the 2 teams split the title. 2004 I agree on.

2007 LSU head and shoulders was the best team available to play 1 loss Ohio State. They won their conference and as far as non con goes they whupped VT 48-7 and VT finished 5th that year. They lost 2 games on the road, both in double overtime to bowl teams.

As for 2009 Boise didn’t have much of an argument with once again what was an atrocious schedule. They beat one really good team in the regular season Oregon which got whupped solidly in the Rose Bowl and they beat TCU. Do you honestly think Boise last year would have beaten 10 bowl teams as we did including the #1 team Florida and #2 Texas? Do you really believe that?

SEC Fan

September 7th, 2010
4:04 pm

ACC is weak. They have won only two measley BCS games. Va. tech is weak,Clemson is weak and Ga. Tech is weak. The proof is in the pudding……

Just the FACTS

September 7th, 2010
4:07 pm

I really think there is only one way to solve this issue. That’s to have BSU play the best team in the nation. If they get whooped, then the issue is resolved. We can’t just sit here and assume that one team will beat another just from looking each other conference and where their located. It has to be settled on the field. Boise should get a shot for once and see it they can really measure up.

SEC Fan

September 7th, 2010
4:07 pm

The SEC will be in a championship game until a team from one of the other crap conferences beats them. You cant make a team bench its best player because you want to win and you cannot bench a conference for being too good and not allowing others to vie for the top spot.

Patrick

September 7th, 2010
4:08 pm

TIDE

I don’t think the recruitment argument holds much water. C’Mon Man!!! It is the SEC – that speaks for itself.

BSU had had to make it’s name the last 20 years and you can’t argue that they have not made it work these last few years.

SEC Fan

September 7th, 2010
4:09 pm

Also, Boise did not look that good, they squeaked by a 1-dimensional VT team with a QB that either ran around until he got tackled or threw the ball as far as he could. at the end of the game, why did the Georgia Tech the series and try to get 40+ yards when they only needed 10?

Alphare

September 7th, 2010
4:10 pm

“Houston we have a problem, it’s Nutt”.

Nutt is amazing, most good coaches would have things in good order in their 3rd year. Well, not Nutt, he needs NCAA to decide his QB until the last minute.

How can this guy even have a head coaching job is beyond me.

seth

September 7th, 2010
4:14 pm

Boise state will never belong in the National Championship..They played an overrated Virginia Tech team and beat them on their last drive. They barely pulled out that win and tried hard to lose it. And now they wont be challenged at all through the rest of their season. so yes they probably will go undefeated again but no way in hell are they worth a BCS Title game bid..no way at all

Patrick

September 7th, 2010
4:14 pm

Next year when BSU joins the MWC conference they will be in the same conference as TCU. That will improve the quality of the conference and whichever team wins that conference can lay claim to a big BCS game (assuming that team is undefeated).

Last year BSU defeated Oregon in prime time, then blasted Maimi (Ohio) – the same team that had Florida on the ropes Saturday sans Tebow – 48-0.

They have set out a goal and all they have done is win, win, win…

SOUTHGADAWG88

September 7th, 2010
4:14 pm

The point is the ACC has not won many games against top shelf SEC teams.The last time an ACC team was a serious threat was when Mark Richt was at FSU

HugoStiglitz

September 7th, 2010
4:16 pm

Tide Rising, you are kinda illustrating my point. If there is an argument at all then the system doesnt work. Its also very hard to use strength of schedule as a reliable metric when it is completely subjective. So what do you end up with? Old men in offices guessing who they think the best is. Actually its usually the old mens assistants that fill it out. The BCS is a flaw in design and will very rarely get it right beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Just the FACTS

September 7th, 2010
4:18 pm

SEC Fan

September 7th, 2010
4:09 pm
Also, Boise did not look that good, they squeaked by a 1-dimensional VT team with a QB that either ran around until he got tackled or threw the ball as far as he could. at the end of the game, why did the Georgia Tech the series and try to get 40+ yards when they only needed 10?

VT had passing:186 yds w/ 2 TDs, rushing: 128 yds w/ 2 TD. doesn’t seen 1-dimensional to me.

Boise didn’t look exceptional but even though they had mistakes they still won.

Heels Rock and Rule

September 7th, 2010
4:28 pm

UNC is my new favorite team. Bashed to death by the media and other haters, and playing w/one arm, they came within a c—-hair of leveling LSU. They currently have the 10th rated class for 2011, and they are gaining charisma because of their grit. I see their future as very bright; the scandal has perhaps strengthened them. the UNC AD has said he doesn’t foresee any of the players being dismissed from the team.

Auburn Man

September 7th, 2010
4:38 pm

Well I was impressed last night. Boise as much as I don’t want to say it looked tough as nails and VT looked both horrible and good. I’m glad Auburn doesn’t face either one this year. As far as the BCS goes I would say there is still a better chance than not of one undefeated SEC team in 2010. If that happens TCU will not get the slot for the title game. I would like to see Boise in a game with a true contender not just a fading no longer a top ten ACC team that is not nearly as good as they were a few years ago. If Bama goes undefeated they will most certainly meet Boise State and if they do look out Boise cuz your gonna get what you wished for and we’ll see how you look against a confirmed National Championship team. Sorry TCU….no I’m not. Just go back home and live in the dark lonely shade of Texas, Texas Tech and Texas A&M.

Richard

September 7th, 2010
4:41 pm

Does Boise at 12-0 deserve a spot over a 12-1 (insert any friggin conference champ you want here)? I don’t understand how this is a question.

And unless your conference invited Boise State to join your ranks, or your AD scheduled them, stop whining. All Boise State has done is gone out and beat down everyone. You think the regular season is a big playoff? You say the regular season is the most important in college sports? Fine. I give you the team that did nothing but demolish everyone along the way.

The only injustice about Boise is that they weren’t in the title game the year they were the one of only two undefeated teams.

WVMountaineer

September 7th, 2010
4:42 pm

Here we go again, propping up the ACC is the limelight.

Their six year BCS average since picking up Miami, VTech and BCollege still stinks.
Check it out.

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
4:52 pm

Patrick,

Stadium size and recruiting exposure are 2 pretty valid reasons. If you don’t believe that bit about recruiting exposure then you haven’t looked at what we reaped out of those 2 games against VT and Clemson. We got 5 star Sims, 4 star def end Alfy Hill althought the NCAA denied his admission, and right now the top recruit in the country Jadeveon Clowney out of South Carolina will pick either Bama or South Carolina. You can’t tell me the games against VT and Clemson didn’t give us huge recruiting exposure in those 2 states.

Auburn Man

September 7th, 2010
4:54 pm

I didn’t see the same game as the guy who thinks Boise didn’t look good last night.

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
4:56 pm

Hugo,

There will always be some subjectivity in the voting but for you to say that strength of schedule is a subjective variable is inaccurate. Strength of schedule is very measurable- look at the wins and losses of Boise’s schedule vs the wins and losses of someone like Alabama’s schedule. It aint rocket science to see with empirical evidence that the sec teams that Bama plays along with Penn State is a significantly stronger schedule than what Boise will play. As a matter of fact it aint even close or debateable for that matter.

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
4:59 pm

Auburn man,

I thought Boise looked very good. They are a tough, well disciplined ballclub. Very good and I’ve always liked Boise. I just don’t think that with a 2 game schedule that they should get a spot in a bcs title game as opposed to a 1 loss bcs conference team. And based on what they’ve done against bcs conferences since 2005- 5-3 including last night’s win I think they would be a 2-4 loss team in a bcs conference like the SEC or ACC. And that is not good enough to deserve to be in the title game.

thwg

September 7th, 2010
5:03 pm

Can’t wait to hear from homer SEC Fan after Spurrier dismantles the puppies this weekend. Please be sure to come back and post SEC Fan. But don’t stop being the typical UGA fan where you guys are gonna win it all every year, otherwise we don’t have anything to laugh about at our parties. It’s gotta be tough when football is all you have, particularly when you will never be a NATIONAL program like Texas, Florida, Bama, Penn State, OSU, USC and now Boise State. Gotta be tough watching teams like TCU and Boise and Iowa blow by you and to accept the fact that no one outside the state of Georgia or the Southeast at best could care less about UGA – you’re not even part of the conversation, but you don’t even realize it. Typical and very entertaining.

Auburn Man

September 7th, 2010
5:04 pm

Tide Rising….I agree with the idea two tough games shouldn’t get them a shot. But it will this year. My only hope from all; this is that it finally lights the fire to a play-off system.

thwg

September 7th, 2010
5:06 pm

BTW, I’m a Bama fan. Let’s see, how many national champtionships does UGA compared to Bama??? Hell, 50% of the population wasn’t even born the last time UGA won that championship in 1980 which they never would have if not for GT tying ND. Are we still talking about Hershel and ‘run Lyndsey run’? Pitiful and an embarrasement to the SEC quite frankly.

Auburn Man

September 7th, 2010
5:08 pm

In 2010 if Boise were in the SEC they would likely lose to Bama, UF, UGA, Arkansas. I wont put my dog in the hunt because our defense looked too suspect Saturday. But those are but four teams I say are significantly better than VT.

Patrick

September 7th, 2010
5:22 pm

Tide-

How exactly did you get exposure for playing Clemson? Did these kids just get wind of Alabama because of 1 or 2 games? Or do you think they knew who the Alabama Crimson Tide was because of your deep tradition in college football and the SEC, in general?

My argument today is that people who are such homers for their team and their conference that you guys don’t think any team is good enough for your team or conference.

The current system, as some have stated, has flaws. And teams like Boise St are left to do what they can in order to gain attention and respect. I’d love to see them in the PAC-10 but why isn’t the PAC-10 inviting them?

Barack Dawg

September 7th, 2010
5:34 pm

Norman – I hope you are not an Oklahoma fan whose team has choked how many times in the BCS. If so you need to make sure you clear it with Texas before you talk.

None of the other conferences want to see the SEC in the Title Game because it means they will lose. The SEC is 6 – 0 in the NC game. That is exactly why we should be there. We own the last 4. Until you beat us, you can’t claim the title biatches.

Bamafan

September 7th, 2010
5:36 pm

I think Ole Miss has a HOUSTON WE HAVE A PROBLEM!! RTR

Barack Dawg

September 7th, 2010
5:37 pm

Patrick – that is simple. They don’t meet the standards in any area to qualify to be in the PAC-10. Primarily that is academic based. They are only good at football and that is questionable based on their schedule. How big is the market in Boise? Not big. Therefore they don’t provide any monetary incentive either. Regardless they are screwed.

They should go independent and if they get to the BCS game then they keep the $15M from the game if they are so sure they are that good. Otherwise, if they get money distributed in the WAC then they would risk that. But if they can put the money where their mouth is outside 2 games a year then they need to bring it.

Barack Dawg

September 7th, 2010
5:39 pm

We can end all of this now. Let TCU and Boise play for the title. Let us go ahead and set it now. They don’t have to play anymore games. Just spend the next 4 months getting ready. Then we can watch as the BCS flops because no one watches.

Or we can leave both out regardless and watch as Congress wastes tax payer money to put their 2 cents in about the BCS because the Federal Government is so sure about how to fix everything. Their solution would be to take all the money from the BCS conferences and give the money to them and agree that they are all national champions who deserved recognition from doing nothing.

Take your pick. No matter what – College Football is screwed…

Preston

September 7th, 2010
5:41 pm

Let Boise play an SEC schedule and then, and only then, could they lose a game and still be considered a BCS contender. They will not have another challenge the remainder of the season. America’s love affair with Cinderella needs to end. Boise plays in a terrible conference that affords them more credit than they deserve. I guarantee you that if they had played this game mid season or after, it would have been an ugly beating from the hands of VT. BTW, why the ACC was mentioned in the headline of this discussion is laughable. A one loss ACC team isn’t worth a pimple on a 4 loss SEC team. Period. No exclamation point needed. The SEC rules. It always has, it always will, and the argument is ALWAYS settled in the BCS CG when the SEC is given the opportunity to play in it. The SEC doesn’t just win it, they win it convincingly. EVERY TIME. Check the books boys and girls. Take care… and listen to that voice of reason that’s begging the fans of Boise and the ACC to pay attention to what conference dominates when it matters most. The SEC.

HugoStiglitz

September 7th, 2010
5:42 pm

Tide Rising, it is actually subjective. Alabama gets more points for playing Penn State then Boise will get for playing Fresno St. Why? Because a group of people voted(subjective) and decided they thought Penn State was better then Fresno St. There is no real proof that they are as they dont play each other so its a guess just like the rest of the rankings.

Buzz

September 7th, 2010
5:52 pm

Hey PFFFFT, then why did they chicken (back out of) the game ??? Answer that you SEC homer.

Bubba

September 7th, 2010
5:53 pm

who says white men cant junp?

atl gator

September 7th, 2010
6:01 pm

Boise played a great game, but it was just one game. Meanwhile, you have a team like Florida that plays atleast 5 teams that are the same as or better than VTech – Alabama, Georgia, LSU, South Carolina and FSU. Did you see the Boise players after the game? They were celebrating like they just won the national title. After a tough road win in the SEC, you just get ready for another one. That type of celebration would just be foolish.

Observer

September 7th, 2010
6:11 pm

Maybe UGA to the MAC or MWC think of it BCS buster every year! NATIONAL CHAMPIONS BABY!

Patrick

September 7th, 2010
6:27 pm

Hey Barack…that is not true. It has nothing to do with academics. If that was the case then why is their wrestling team part of the PAC-10?

They are taking the necessary steps to do what is needed. But nobody can argue that when given the opportunity they HAVE NOT disappointed!

Jimmy

September 7th, 2010
6:53 pm

They are ranked #3 right now. If they go undefeated and #1 or 2 lose a game, I say put them in the title game.

The BCS has never been about fairness anyway.

Think about this – w/ one month to prepare and playing on a nuetral field, could Boise St. defeat a one loss SEC, B12 or B10 champ??

Did Utah beat Bammer in the Sugar Bowl a few years ago?

jumbeauxtiger

September 7th, 2010
7:06 pm

Very true atl gator. Many SEC coaches have the 24 hour rule. 24 hours after a big win it’s time to focus on the next game.

jumbeauxtiger

September 7th, 2010
7:08 pm

Announced by LSU today:

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dawgfan

September 7th, 2010
7:13 pm

TonyBFan…I think you are the one who needs to shut up. One game out of twelve doesn’t make a schedule. Yes, they beat Va Tech. I think it’s time to evaluate just how good a team Va Tech really is. I have heard some very good arguments against Boise’s case today starting with, in every big game they play they always have weeks (if not months) to prepare. Do you think Va Tech was treating this game like it was their ‘biggest game’ of the year? I don’t think so. Each and every time Boise plays someone from a major conference it is their BIGGEST game of the year – and they only play one a year. To a team like Va Tech, Boise is just another game. They have four or five more to play with at least as much on the line as what was on the line against Boise. So stop with the crap about Boise belonging with the big boys…they’d crap their pants while losing four games in the ACC or especially the SEC when those ‘big’ games come four or five a season and often back to back. Let’s see what Boise could do when they only have one week to prepare for the next big game instead of a whole off-season. Wonder why they didn’t get a call from the Pac-10 when they were trying to compete with the big boys over the summer by expanding to 16 or whatever it was?

Pfffft

September 7th, 2010
7:48 pm

Buzz…who chickened out? What do you mean?

Bravesfan79

September 7th, 2010
8:29 pm

Screw SOS… how many years in a row must you go undefeated to have a chance to play for a championship!? College football is the biggest BS sport in the country! Boise… NATIONAL CHAMPS! And i say this as a GT/ UGA fan.

smitty

September 7th, 2010
8:52 pm

no way boise state deserves the NC game even if they go undefeated…….they beat a rebuilding VT team and despite Boise totally dominating the early part of the game and with VT shooting itself in the foot, VT still had a chance to win…….like an earlier poster said, what if VT goes 7-5 or 8-3……what looks like a great win today over a top 20 opponent might be a down to the wire thriller over an also-ran by the end of the season……the rest of their schedule difficulty is a joke……currently ranked 100 and sure to drop as the season progresses…..last night was a perfect setup for BS…….a team with nearly all starters returning against, not a “perennial powerhouse”, but actually revamped and unproven VT team on national TV…..win the rest of their games and on to the NC….NOT!…….Boise State….their name says it perfectly……it’s all BS………

savannah dawg

September 7th, 2010
8:58 pm

Boise State always has at least a month to prepare for the BIG GAME. Iknow the other team has a month to prepare also but, the other team has usually just come off a brutal schedule, and not some cream puff schedule like the Broncos. No way does this team deserve to play for a NC, period! GO DAWGS!!!!!!

jp

September 7th, 2010
9:15 pm

let boise play at scar , home vs ark,at miss state at colo,home vs tenn , home vandy, at kentucky, at jax {fla} idaho st hm , at auburn hm vs tech and at ga dome vs bama then ohio st and they go they go 7-6 at best . uga 48 boys 13 . just bc you played go block apunt va tech who is # 3 in the acc you aint well you know . ga fla bama,lsu scar ark all will beat boys ass. this aint joke la homma you playin boys

bdbass

September 7th, 2010
9:23 pm

Guys, it doesn’t matter if “other conferences don’t want to see an SEC team in the final”.
You will have to play a conference schedule that matches the SEC (Good Luck!) and then beat some of us. Forget the OOC schedule. It’s one game for most.

Paul in RDU

September 7th, 2010
9:25 pm

Kudos to the LSU Tigers for scheduling Oregon in JerryWorld next year

jp

September 7th, 2010
9:31 pm

patrick get a grip ga 48 boys 13 let boys play in the sec each week and they are not going to beat bama fla ga scar lsu tenn, ark,auburn miss st on a regular basis .they gave up 30 to the # 3 or 4 acc team. take it from a uga fan bama will get 50 on boys if go block a punt can get 30 fla ga ark scar in the 40s . why should we go return to idaho and lose 5 million to play in a high school stadium.boys has never beaten an sec team .and the sec has won 6 of 11 bcs titles and 4 in a row.boys can play when they get all year to get ready oh im sorry ga 48 boys 13 . did you vote or obama cause some one is feedin you a stimulus pack .the facts dont lie.

GT GRAD

September 7th, 2010
9:44 pm

Be realistic……..if Boise State or TCU played 4-5 teams ranked in the Top 25……BOTH teams would have atleast 1-2 losses this season. Boise State would have lost to VT if the VT wideout catches the pass on the 3rd down play with ~2 minutes remianing in the game (they had no time outs left!).

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
10:08 pm

Hugo,

Sorry but we will just have to disagree about the strength of schedule. Computer rankings are based on the relative strength of teams and conferences in terms of wins and losses. Boise’s schedule will hurt them because practically no one in their conference save Fresno will have a winning record. There is nothing subjective about that.

Once again Boise has in its existence never beaten an SEC team going 0-4 against the SEC. In games against the nearest bcs conference Boise is 4-9 which is terrible. This is a team that should not be rewarded for a 2 game season.

Patrick

September 7th, 2010
10:08 pm

It seems the SEC Homers are missing a key point here…

You can’t argue “what if BSU was in the SEC” without realizing they can’t just be in the SEC over night. What I mentioned earlier was if the playing field was even (ie: recruiting, conferences, talent, etc), then what BSU is doing in their respective conference SHOULD give them the respect they are earning.

Boise St is expanding the breadth of their recruiting and traveling extensive miles for their out of conference games with “bigger” schools. Nobody said 3 years ago when VT was better that “what are they doing scheduling BSU” in 2010, were they?

The circumstances are what they are…

Boise St has run the table multiple times in the last few years AND they have won the BCS games they were invited to. Last night proved that they are not afraid of the big lights and a big-time game with a perennial upper-tier (albeit non title contending team – but hey, didn’t Alabama play them recently, too – how dare they stoop so low) team steeped with tradition.

With inferior talent (VT arguably has better talent based on TIDE’s argument that recruiting is better in the SEC – and OU had better talent, and so on) BSU has won games.

Give them equal money and conference that “big” schools have and I would be willing to bet the farm that BSU would not disappoint!

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
10:14 pm

Patrick,

Yes. Boise has won games. As a matter of fact they are 5-3 against bcs conference teams since 2005 which is okay but not great. But you just don’t seem to get the obvious point. They are playing a 2 game season- VT and 24th ranked Oregon State. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

Would you want to put Alabama, Georgia, or Florida in the bcs every year if all they had to do was beat one good team in VT, one semi respectable team in Oregon State, and then beat up on 11 different versions of San Jose State or Louisiana Lafayette?

Georgia, Florida, and UT have never even lost to a wac team and if they played in that conference they may lose one game a decade. But how fair would it be to put them in the bcs title game for whipping 11 pansies and beating 1 good team and 1 semi respectable team. It wouldn’t be fair at all.

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
10:20 pm

“What I mentioned earlier was if the playing field was even (ie: recruiting, conferences, talent, etc), then what BSU is doing in their respective conference SHOULD give them the respect they are earning.”

That’s a big if Patrick. These things will never be equal. BSU will never play in a 102k stadium as Alabama does nor have the talent base that the sec teams have. It is an irrelevant point. The point is that Boise simply doesn’t play the quality of schedule that should allow for a spot in the bcs title game. Its that simple and the point is not debateable. Are you going to say that the wac is as tough as the sec? WAC teams with the exception of Boise are nothing more than cannon fodder for other conferences to beat up on. Going 11-0 through the wac schedule isn’t any more impressive than Alabama wacking WAC member San Jose st. 48-3 this past saturday.

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
10:22 pm

I’m outta here. Patrick this has nothing to do with SEC homerism. Its just a point of fact that going 11-0 in the WAC is nothing and winning a 2 game schedule means zero.

Fball Realist

September 7th, 2010
10:38 pm

Boise st should easily go undefeated with the creampuff schedule and will play bama for the national title. Bama will take them apart—bank on it.

Patrick

September 7th, 2010
10:39 pm

TIDE –

I get everything you are saying. I know they are playing in a conference that is widely viewed as inferior, at best. Yes, they have 2 games against “tougher” opponents in Oregon St and VT. Should they win those two, and those 2 teams represent themselves good throughout the season then one could argue that BSU could/would have done the same (using the age old argument that if my team beat your team and your team beats every other team – then what doesn’t sugest my team would have beat everybody, too?).

You using the example of “nobody from the SEC has ever lost to the WAC is weak, at best. 2 years ago Alabama lost to UTAH (Mtn West Conference where Boise St moves to next year) in the Sugar Bowl.

The talent base that BSU is able to proactively recruit is nowhere as deep as larger schools when the payoff for BSU for going undefeated is not what the payoff is for a 1 loss SEC team (or 2-loss SEC team in LSU that won the title).

IF they were in the same top-tier level as the BCS conferences then all I am saying is that if history is any indication then BSU could/would probably have held their own and the results are left to be wondered about.

“Any given Sunday” definitely refer to college football when there is no playoff in place for college football. You CAN NOT argue that!

crabapplejoe

September 7th, 2010
10:54 pm

Thank goodness that Boise State doesn’t have to play that “tough SEC schedule” that includes teams like Lousiana Lafayette, Jacksonville State, Miami of Ohio, Vanderbilt, etc. Instead they get to go on the road 2000 miles and play Virginia Tech…..LMAO.

SuperB

September 7th, 2010
11:41 pm

Virginia Tech is something like 1-25 against teams ranked in the top five. Tell me again how good was the team that lost to Boise? When is the last time VT actually did something noteworthy?
I don’t think either team is a world beater.

Patrick

September 7th, 2010
11:59 pm

I’m guessing the last time VT did something good was when Alabama lost to Utah in the Sugar Bowl by 14pts…juss sayin!

Gen Neyland

September 8th, 2010
12:18 am

Mr CFB : Thank you for providing the fuel to boost the fire in all things BCS. Oh, and up it on Beamer. Glad he got whipped/beat/lost/jilted/screwed/etc/ on National TV. One thing’s for darn certain, he’s got a RB. I witnessed that dude first hand in last years Peach-Filet Bowl…

Patrick

September 8th, 2010
12:29 am

Actually…VT won the ACC in 2008-2009 then defeated #12 Cincinnati while Alabama was losing 31-17 to Utah in the Sugar Bowl.
Let’s look at UA’s schedule that same year…
34-10 (Clem) W
20-6 (Tulane) W
41-7 (West Kentucky) W
49-14 (@ ARK) W*
41-30 (@ GA) W*
17-14 (KY) W*
24-20 (Ole Miss) W*
29-9 (@ TENN) W*
35-0 (ARK St) W
27-21 (@ LSU) W – OT*
32-7 (Miss St) W*
36-0 (AU) W*
20-31 (FL) L
17-31 (Utah) L

* denotes conference

Defeating the likes of Clemson, Tulane, Western Kentucky, Kentucky (3 pts), Ole Miss (4 pts), Ark St makes up for the rest of the schedule I admit.

But lest we also take into consideration that Alabama barely travels greater than 500 miles for any game; when some “mid major” teams travel thousands of miles for games.

I juggernaut of a team like USC struggles @ Hawaii…I’ll be curious to see what BSU does when they play against Hawaii…

All you homers are so short sighted that you don’t want to even listen to people outside your area.

It goes to show that you are stubborn when it comes to your team and thinking that no other team can even be discussed at the same time…

And looking at all the Crimson Tide non-conference games the last couple years those games were at Alabama…If you’re that good of a team then take your talents on the road…other than, of course, the GA Dome for VT & Clemson.

Oh yeah…how about losing to Louisiana Monroe 21-14 in Tuscaloosa…

jp

September 8th, 2010
1:23 am

eddie did your you fall on head drinkin last night why has boise never beaten an sec team so you really think if they played at fla at ga home vs bama home vs lsu at auburn at scar and at kentucky and the bama again they would be 13 and o .are you smokin good bc bud out there.boys can play 1 or 2 games in a year and win but the same year hawaii killed you in07 ga beat them by 5 tds and oh by the way ga 48 to 13 and we played the 2nd and 3rd and 4th string in the second half. bama beat boys 55 to 13 ga beats boys by 20 fla beats boys by 25 ark beats boys by 14 aub beats boys by 10 scar by 10 lsu 10. play these teams all in the same year back to back to back and you would be lucky to make a winning record.eddie i got a question for you what conf has won the 4 last title by 3 diferent teams,what conf has won 6 of 11 and never lost in the title game ,these are facts . go play san jose hawaii utah st fresno,idaho nevada some of these teams were 1aa teams in the 80,s and 90,s get a grip crip

Bama fan

September 8th, 2010
1:51 am

Patrick,

Its hilarious that fans like you keep rehashing the Utah game over and over. Its one game dude.How much mileage can you get out of one game?And its not as if Bama was fired up to play after coming within 15 minutes of going to the title game and then finding out we had to play Utah instead of Ohio State.

As for Bama not traveling more than 500 miles you might want to check your stats buddy. UCLA, Penn State, OU, all big time teams that we will travel to within this decade. It seems a little research is in order on your part.

On going back the last 30 or 40 years Alabama has played more home and homes with powerful teams than pretty much anybody. The list goes on and on- Penn State, OU, Nebraska, USC, UCLA, Washington, BYU, Boston College, Texas AM, Mizzou, Notre Dame, Ohio State, VT, FSU, Clemson, Miami, FL. and some other teams I can’t even think of.

-Frankly Speaking-

September 8th, 2010
6:00 am

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Boise State is a cupcake.

From 11-3 to 14-0

September 8th, 2010
6:22 am

Joshua Nesbitt is a tough QB making a lot of great plays.

OB-1

September 8th, 2010
6:51 am

WVMountaineer
September 7th, 2010
4:42 pm
Here we go again, propping up the ACC is the limelight.
Their six year BCS average since picking up Miami, VTech and BCollege still stinks.
Check it out.
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What have you got to be proud of ear. I can still hear you whining about not getting a higher bid in 2002 and to top it off you have to play lowly UVA in the Continental Tire Bowl in Charlotte and getting your @$$ handed to you 48-22, or how about;

2009 FSU 33 – WVU 21
2008 WVU 31 – UNC 30
2006 WVU 38 – GT 35
2004 FSU 30 – WVU 18
2003 Maryland 41 – WVU 7
2002 UVA 48 – 22
1997 GT 35 – WVU 20

Heck, you’re better against the SEC than you are against the ACC. Your Gator record against the ACC 1-6, the last 7 times you’ve met the ACC in a Bowl you’re 2-7, pretty sad you trying to talk smack here.

Palladin

September 8th, 2010
7:27 am

Only perennial losers want a playoff system in CFB. Boise State has proven that they are the best team in their conference. They have methodically worked their way into a high pre-season ranking. Should they remain undefeated and end the season in first or second place in the BCS poll, then they will get their chance to play for the NC. There is no point in arguing about who will play for the NC when we are only in the first week of regular season play. A single game proves nothing. That is why we don’t need a single-elimination playoff system. Professional baseball has the only playoff system that delivers a champion that is beyond dispute. Losers want a chance for their loser team to luck into a National Championship with a single upset win over a superior opponent.

BJ

September 8th, 2010
4:53 pm

If Boise St is underfeated then they should play for the title.

Ed

September 8th, 2010
9:11 pm

No brainer – 12-0 Boise State. The SEC has been the best at the very top of the conference, but 3-12 are really no better than everyone else’s also rans. Boise in recent years has beaten pretty good Oklahoma, Oregon, TCU and Virginia Tech teams. It’s time to acknowledge that those guys are the real deal.

And let’s face it – when a team from your conference loses to a I-AA team, it’s hard to crow much about conference superiority. Most SEC teams would drop at least one game with a WAC schedule, anyway. Everyone has an off week.

avolfan4u

September 8th, 2010
10:54 pm

Tony neglected to tell us Boise’s SOS. Must be really tough playing two games per year. They shouldn’t be in the discussion because their wins will always be suspect unless they add some beef. It’s like me saying I am the fastest guy on my block …. when running against the kids 6 and younger. Of course, they’ve won 50 plus games. So would about 25 1A teams if they played two games per year. And I don’t want to hear all that home and home BS. If you want to play at the end of the year in the big boys games play some during the year. BTW, VT wins by at least 17 if they didn’t give Boise 17 unearned points. They ain’t all that.

Palladin

September 9th, 2010
7:08 am

IF…

If Boise State was in a stronger conference with a better schedule, and if Boise State had a better recruiting base and better facilities, and if Boise State had been a Div. I team for a longer time and had an established history…

If all of these things were true, then it’s impossible to say that they couldn’t compete with the “big boys” on a regular basis. I can’t argue with that logic.

However, if all of that were true, then they wouldn’t be Boise State, would they?

BTW: Did you know that Alabama lost a game to Utah two years ago? So why the hell are they Number 1? It’s not fair!

John Barnhart

September 9th, 2010
6:05 pm

I did not not know who Boise State was until I had the privilage to wittness last years game with Oregon. I was impressed with the team, the fans, the town, and even the Smurf Turf. Can’t wait to travel from SoCal to see them beat Oregon St. this time.

John Barnhart

September 9th, 2010
6:11 pm

I did not know who Boise St. was until I attended the Oregon game last year. Great team, fans,city, and even the Smurf Turf.I’m hooked. I’ll make the trek north from SoCal to see them whip Oregon St. this year. Great writing Keep it up.

Matt from Idaho

September 10th, 2010
5:55 pm

Anyone who says Boise State would rather be in the WAC or MWC over a BCS conference needs to put the crack pipe down. Are you kidding? Boise State would love to be in the PAC-10 (their wrestling team competes in the Pac-10 and wins), but the PAC-10 is all research institutions and Boise State isn’t on the same level as the Pac-10 with its academics (yet). The Pac-10 never seriously considered Boise State and no offer was ever made. What I would like to see is the Big 12 offer Boise State and TCU. Lets see what those two schools could do with Big 12 dollars. Boise State’s recruiting has picked up in Texas. Playing a couple of games there a year would only help that out.

Palladin

September 12th, 2010
10:57 am

Meh… Research institutions don’t do “academics”, they do research. It generates a great deal of revenue, but these schools are notorious for providing second-rate teaching.

In the long run, Boise State is better off playing Cinderella in a non-BCS conference.