The question: 12-0 Boise or 12-1 SEC, ACC champ?

I thought I had all my bases covered on Boise State yesterday. But for the past five seasons this football program has been a compelling thing to watch. Last night added yet another chapter to an incredible story and–I don’t think I’m overstating this–set the narrative for the rest of the 2010 college football season.

Yes, No. 5 Boise State beat Virginia Tech 33-30 Monday night in Landover, Md. But it wasn’t just the fact that the Broncos won. It was the WAY that they won. After coming out of the gate hard and knocking Virginia Tech back with a 17-0 run to open the game, the Hokies did what strong teams do. They settled down and began to grind it and wear Boise State down.

When Virginia Tech finally took the lead in the second half you expected Frank Beamer’s team to put the Broncos away. But there is a reason Boise State has won 50 games in the past four seasons plus this one night. They are poised. They are extremely well coached. And did I mention that they have a helluva quarterback?

Kellen Moore, who threw 39 touchdown passes and only three interceptions last season (that always looks like a typo when I see it) took his final opportunity and made the most of it Monday night in what was, for all intents and purposes, a road game.

Given the fact that EVERYTHING was on the line for Boise State’s season in that moment, Moore calmly and methodically drove his team down the field and delivered a 13-yard touchdown pass to Austin Pettis with only 1:09 left to win the game.

So let the debate begin anew. Let me refresh the argument based on what we saw last night.

If we get to the end of the season and there are multiple undefeated teams, one side of the argument says that Boise must be the odd man out because it did not play as tough a schedule as the SEC, ACC, Big Ten, or Big 12 conference champions.  Here are the pertinent numbers based on the CBSSports.com’s Top 120 that ranks every Division I-A team and its strength of schedule. These numbers were done before last night’s game.

TEAM………………………RANK………………………………SOS

VIRGINIA TECH…………..11……………………………..…….7

OREGON STATE………….17…………………………………..24

NEVADA……………………..41…………………………………..57

FRESNO STATE…………….48……………………….………69

WYOMING………………….62………………………………..59

IDAHO………………………..66……………….………………119

HAWAII………………………75………………………………..93

LA. TECH…………………….90………………………………..12

UTAH STATE………………..91…………………………..…114

TOLEDO………………………99………………………………76

SAN JOSE ST……………..110………………………………..20

NEW MEXICO ST………..112……………………………….98

Just look at the rankings and the SOS of the teams Boise plays after it faces Oregon State on Sept. 25. It is a very weak schedule because, after Boise, there aren’t many good teams in the WAC. That is a fact. Just look at those numbers and judge for yourself.

But here will be the Boise State side of this argument: Did you see us play? And if you did see us play is there any doubt, now that we are 50-4 since 2006, that we are a damned good team?

Boise State is a very good team. But there are a lot of very good teams out there. The question is: If you can only pick two teams to play for the BCS title, should Boise be one of them?

As I said yesterday, if we get to the end of the season and the SEC, ACC, Big 12, and Big Ten champs are all undefeated (that’s very unlikely, of course) then I don’t see the voters in the coaches and Harris polls telling one of the big boy conferences they have to make room for Boise. I could be wrong about that but I don’t think I am.

Where it gets fun, though, is if there are only two undefeated teams–Boise and somebody else–and if the SEC, ACC, Big Ten or Big 12 champ is 12-1 having played a conference championship game. We’ve seen those championship games push teams over the top of teams without championship games in the final BCS Standings (Remember Georgia in 2007?) THAT will be a fun argument.

But this much we do know. Boise is here and they are not going away if Oregon State doesn’t beat them on the blue rug on Sept. 25. With last night’s win the Broncos have earned the right to be in this argument.

Let the fun begin.

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442 comments Add your comment

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
1:51 pm

Boise 0-4 vs the SEC and 4-9 vs its regional neighbor the PAC 10. That’s all I need to know.

LakeDawg

September 7th, 2010
1:54 pm

Shouldn’t Jax State be in the BCS Championship game if they go undefeated? I mean they did beat Ole Miss.

Cry me a river

September 7th, 2010
1:54 pm

As a graduate of an SEC school, I am truly embarrassed by all of you crybabies. Yes, the SEC is the best football conference in America, but good football is played across this great country. Stop being such sadsack homers and enjoy it! The world will not end if Boise State plays Ohio State for the BCS. Boise is simply working a system they didn’t ask for in the first place.

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
1:55 pm

Patrick,

Ohio State was playing against the nation’s best team when they got smoked by LSU and UF and they narrowly lost to Texas 2 years ago and in the Rose Bowl they beat up on the pac 10 champ last year. But Ohio State did beat defending national champion Miami in 02 when Miami was on a twenty something game winning streak.

Who did Boise beat? A 2 loss OU team and TCU.

Ohio State has played the big boys like USC, TEXAS, LSU, UF, and top ranked Miami in 02. Has Boise played any one other than a 2 loss OU team that was down about missing out on the bcs title game?

Alphare

September 7th, 2010
1:55 pm

To say BSU can climb the ladder if they were in SEC is mindless, look at AR, Ole Miss, Miss State, SoCar, Kentucky, they are good, but have they ever won a championship?

Just the FACTS

September 7th, 2010
1:56 pm

Tide Rising

What does Alabama being down in 2000-2004 have to do with the conversation. That is irrelevant.

It’s is relevant b/c your are stating records over a long period of time. If your going to include BSU’s record then include ALA record.

The ALA vs VT shows that the penalties and turnovers are part of the game and ALA still could of lost. Can you at least admit that. Boise had plenty of penalties and turnovers in the game which prevented them from whooping VT last night. That’s the way VT plays. VT was in the game the whole time any you can’t deny that.

Let’s just see how many losses ALA has by the end of the season and see if they even get considered to repeat.

Blue

September 7th, 2010
1:57 pm

Hey…I’m not even an ACC fan…but at least they played a couple of “somebodies”. SEC??? Not so much (and they caught a HUGE break with the North Carolina situation). But hey…Florida had 30 yards of total offense against Miami (the one in OH that had one win last year). And GA definitely showed UL Directional who the man is. And Ole Miss showed Jax State…ummmm…never mind.

Arlo

September 7th, 2010
1:58 pm

To be considered a “Contender”, shouldn’t you have to play that 13th game before you get to a bowl that is required of the “Big Boy” conferences?

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
2:01 pm

Just the FACTS,

Sorry man but the VT game just wasn’t that close. A 2 score margin with Bama knocking on the door at the end of the game to make it a 3 score margin is not a close game. It was a close game early in the 4th qtr I admit but the final result was not close. VT was in the game the majority of the game. I’m simply stating what happened which is that we pulled away midway through the 4th qtr in a game that statistically wasn’t even close and shouldn’t have even been close. 500 yds total offense to 150 yds total offense tells you that. Kudos to VT for putting up a fight but all Bama fans knew even when we were trailing that we had the game in hand simply from the way we were dominating them on the line of scrimmage. We just blew them off the ball for 60 minutes and that sir is a FACT.

Tebow Lies...When He Cries

September 7th, 2010
2:04 pm

“So I ask all the haters…Why won’t more big schools take them up on the offer to play BSU?”

Thats a joke right???? In the end its all about money, and the bigger schools want to make as much as possible every single Saturday. Where is the money in a stadium that only holds 30k?
Heck SEC schools will gladly pay a smaller school to come in if they can sell 90k+ tickets. Us UGA fans would love to have Boise pay another visit between the hedges. Def was worth the money in ‘05, but Boise hosting UGA out there just wouldn’t make financial sense.

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
2:05 pm

Just the FACTS,

Also we can include Bama’s dismal performance 2000-2004. I’ve no problem with that. Just understand that the majority of those losses were to SEC teams and non con to teams like no. 1 OU in 02 and again in 03 and to UCLA in 2000 and 2001. Also some losses to non bcs conference teams like La-Monroe but for the most part the losses were to regular sec foes. But then Boise lost to some non bcs teams also like hawaii which got exposed big time by Georgia, Fresno, and TCU over the same time frame.

The General Feeling

September 7th, 2010
2:06 pm

Tony,

Why must you media-type talking heads ask this type of question today? Geez.

gdawginkalamazoo

September 7th, 2010
2:06 pm

Arlo, Amen to that!

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
2:07 pm

Boise making another return trip to UGA? I don’t think they want to do that.

Just the FACTS

September 7th, 2010
2:08 pm

Tide Rising

They did blow VT of the ball but i wouldn’t say they did it every down of every play b/c they would of destroyed VT from what your stating. They would have some good plays and then turn the ball over. By default that means they didn’t beat VT on those plays. Those plays are part of the whole game not just an after thought. And by pulling away midway through the 4th qtr is not dominating a game.

Did Bama fans know they had the game in the bag against Tenn or Aub last year?

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
2:08 pm

gdawginzoo,

Read your comment the other day about Bill Curry lying on the Georgia dome turf. “What happened? Did a Bama fan brick him?”.

I have to admit I about fell out of my chair laughing at that one.

Fred

September 7th, 2010
2:09 pm

Boise State IS an impressive team. There are no 2 ways about it. I love to hate the perennially over ranked Hokies, but they TOO are a good football team. That was an awesome game last night.

Boise State is too good for their own good. No decent teams will schedule them for OOC games. Is that their fault? The WAC or MAC or MWC or whatever the hell it is, is no weaker than the Little 11, I mean Big 10. How many times has Ohio State played 1 real team and 11 cupcakes and gotten ion the Nat’l Championship?

I’d like to see an undefeated Boise State get in the National Championship game if for no other reason than to see how they do. Could they do any worse than Oklahoma did against USC a few years ago? I doubt it. As a matter of fact they BEAT Oklahoma a few years ago.

They have paid their dues. to win as many games as they have over the last few years and to have been as consistent as they have been, isn’t easy. If they win out, they should go. Period.

GSU Eagle 91

September 7th, 2010
2:10 pm

UGAlien…you are definitely funny..I appreciate the good humor….
The SEC has 2 VERY good teams, Alabama and Florida….UGA, Auburn and SC are good teams..Nothing more..I can think of a dozen teams that could lay a good whipping on these 3 programs right now that are NOT in the SEC…Then we have Ole Miss, Miss ST, Kentucky, Vandy and UT..What a bunch of stinkers….
VT would beat Ole Miss by 30….
And YES…Boise ST deserves a shot if they win out…..But as a 1-AA fan..I prefer our system that determines its champion on the field….

Les W. Moore

September 7th, 2010
2:11 pm

Tony,

You cover southern football, don’t you? You must have seen the near upset of Appy State over the weekend. Right? Unranked Chattanooga lead third-rnaked ASU going into the 4th quarter before ASU scored 4 TD’s in a matter of minutes and took the lead. Chattanooga then drove the field for a TD and went for the 2-point converstion, and the win, with 51 seconds remaining. ASU held on for 42-41 barn-burner.

Beast from the East

September 7th, 2010
2:15 pm

Nurse Ratchet,
I agree that UF’s non-conf schedule is not what it could be, but to answer your question about who have they played out of conference in the last 20 years: FSU (every year), Miami and USF are just a few off of the top of my head. What team do you pull for and what’s their non-conf schedule look like most years?

Patrick

September 7th, 2010
2:15 pm

I didn’t see UGA offer to make the trip to BSU did we? Why no home/home agreements? Will you see any big conference make the trip to Boise to play BSU?

Alphare

September 7th, 2010
2:16 pm

Houston Nutt lets NCAA decide until the last minute who will play QB for him. Yes, smart move, coach Nutt.

Helmet Head on riding the Short Bus

September 7th, 2010
2:19 pm

The SEC is the DOMINANT conference….then comes the BIG TEN …then Pac 10…then ACC…then the Big 12…the Big East…where is the Midwest..WAK…Mountain Valley…not in the same league…
Look at the SEC/ACC/BIG TEN..every team has a chance to get beat on the road, and they all must play a big game at homes on each conference rotation. The Big 12 teams have only Texas and Oklahoma after Nebraska leaves next year…
Boise St. will not have but one game left that is even in the same league as a second tier SEC game and that is against a PAC 10 also ran…up and comer…

John Brantley

September 7th, 2010
2:30 pm

Blue 17, Orange 34, hut hut hike!

Hey, WTF where’s the ball Pouncey!

Alphare

September 7th, 2010
2:31 pm

It really doesn’t matter what we all say, it’s the polls that decide who plays for the crystal ball. Currently BSU is ranked #3 behind BAMA and Ohio State, if they don’t lose, they can only move higher. If BAMA or Ohio State ever loses a game, BSU will be in 2nd or 1st.

BSU basically plays all cup cakes for the rest of the season, they are expected to win with big margins for most games, like TN did to TN-Martin, UGA did to SJSU, Miss State did to Charlston-Southern, Tech did to LA-Lafayette (man, I can only remember these 4 games). So, it’s hard to move them downward.

Alphare

September 7th, 2010
2:35 pm

BTW, BSU just garnered more 1st place votes in the latest AP poll:

# 1.Alabama (47)
# 2.Ohio St. (4)
# 3.Boise St. (8)

compared to last week’s:

# 1.Alabama (54)
# 2.Ohio St. (3)
# 3.Boise St. (1)

SOUTHGADAWG88

September 7th, 2010
2:35 pm

Well if VT and OSU both end up 8-4 then what?

gdawginkalamazoo

September 7th, 2010
2:38 pm

Got any Rebels fan on here today? What did you guys think of that game Saturday?

jumbeauxtiger

September 7th, 2010
2:41 pm

gdawginkal,

Yes the Tigers kept it close. We had our chance in the 3rd quarter and early in the 4th to put it away. Have to give the Tar Heels credit for not giving up. It was a great effort on their part and a tough loss for them.

I was pleased that the Tigers shut down their running game (26 yds) and our rush, at least in that game, was better than it looked last season. Giving up over 200 yards passing on 3 plays is a concern and that will cost us a game if that continues.

OB-1

September 7th, 2010
2:43 pm

Just the FACTS
September 7th, 2010
1:35 pm
OB-1
I would try to state Just the FACTS but i think it’s pointless with tell you.
**************************
Please state your “facts”, I don’t mind being proved wrong, if not then your post is pointless.

John

September 7th, 2010
2:47 pm

Tony,

Boise should go to the championship over a 12-1 ACC team, because a 12-1 ACC team is only a 8-4 SEC team.

Just the FACTS

September 7th, 2010
2:49 pm

OB-1

September 7th, 2010
2:43 pm

I thought your earlier posts were your own writing but i’ve noticed that you were just posting someone elses comments. There is no point then. My bad

HugoStiglitz

September 7th, 2010
2:50 pm

Another thing I hope happens. TCU is 4th in the AP poll now. What if there are no undefeated teams except TCU and Boise St? Would they play each other for the MNC? How all SEC and Big Ten fans cry together about it?

Just the FACTS

September 7th, 2010
2:51 pm

John

September 7th, 2010
2:47 pm
Tony,

Boise should go to the championship over a 12-1 ACC team, because a 12-1 ACC team is only a 8-4 SEC team.

Can explain your reasoning on this one? Is there a tool that is used or a software program that allows you to come up with this ratio?

Exley DAWG

September 7th, 2010
3:01 pm

The fact that writers are already talking about 12-0 for this team is in itself a joke! I mean, come on. Fact is, even though Ole Miss stunk it up this week, they will defeat a stronger SEC team this year because of the “grind”

gdawginkalamazoo

September 7th, 2010
3:01 pm

John,

“because a 12-1 ACC team is only a 8-4 SEC team.”

How the hell did you come up with that? My program figured 6-5 SEC team.

76-DAWG

September 7th, 2010
3:02 pm

I don’t care if BS play’s for the title or not , the SEC will have 8 to 10 teams play in bowl games. That’s what I care about.But, the only thing you worry about is whether another team other than the SEC champion will take care of business like the SEC champion would if they play BS for the title. If the SEC champion play’s BS for the championship , BS will be embarrassed. If CMR and UGA is in that game I think he will ease up , which he should not do. If Saban, Spurrier, or Myers get in the game against BS I think they will try and beat BS eyes out. So there is a conflict of interest . CMR was on more than one occasion beating the hell out of a team before half and go into a run out the clock mode by changing the game plan and let the other team score a few times to make the final score respectable, when he could have kept the pedal down and made a statement. He doesn.t have the killer instinct like Saban, Spurrier, or Myers. Do you pull for UGA knowing they want embarrass BS or hope someone else will win the SEC so they will beat the hell out of BS and stop this foolish crap once and for all .

SOUTHGADAWG88

September 7th, 2010
3:02 pm

Well when was the last time an ACC team has beaten one of the top 5 SEC teams?

bamaguy

September 7th, 2010
3:09 pm

If Boise State wants to be taken seriously, they need to join the Pac 10 (or whatever it is these days).

Alphare

September 7th, 2010
3:09 pm

Well, BSU is closer to being #2 than we thought. Look at the total point difference between Ohio State and BSU, they are basically tied for #2. If you look at the risks facing BAMA and Ohio State with their SOS, don’t you think BSU and TCU are more likely in NC game than otherwise?

Rank……..Team…………Record..Pts…….Last Week
1…………..Alabama (47)..1-0…..1484………1
2…………..Ohio St. (4) ….1-0…..1412………2
3…………..Boise St. (8)….1-0…..1399………3
4…………..TCU…………….1-0……1256………6

Beast from the East

September 7th, 2010
3:10 pm

SOUTHGADAWG88,
Are you serious? Well, how about GT over UGA 2008? I know UGA did not perform as well as the pre-season rankings, but they were still one of the top 5 teams in the SEC that year (and just about every year). I’m an SEC guy, but that was a pretty silly question for a Dawg to ask!

bruce mac

September 7th, 2010
3:10 pm

Come on Southgadawg. Don’t be so specific. Tech can beat Vandy and MS ST and that is what they hang there hat on. So what if neither team won an SEC game except beating each other. They still think it is a big deal anytime they beat anyone. Gailey beat Auburn when Auburn was ranked in top 5 or so, maybe 6 or 7 years back.

Beast from the East

September 7th, 2010
3:13 pm

Alphare,
You may be right. But let’s see how they rank in the BCS poll when SOS is factored in by the computers. BSU and TCU could drop down to the 5 and 6 spots as the season goes on due to that.

76-DAWG

September 7th, 2010
3:18 pm

Bottom line is if we had a playoff system in place, this problem with BS , Utah, TCU and even Notre Dame would take care of itself. Then there wouldn’t be any question who deserved the title. It would also make pre – season polls make the rankings more realistic. And it would make all the ” cheat the system” teams schedule harder opponents to insure they made it to the final 8 teams to qualify for the playoff. THE NCAA NEEDS TO STOP LIVING IN THE DARK AGES , GET OFF THEIR HIGH HORSE AND ESTABLISH SOME CREDIBILITY WITH THE FANS.

OB-1

September 7th, 2010
3:24 pm

My being an ACC fan I will admit that the SEC is the premier conference in the nation, but they have 2 great teams, 6 good teams that rise and fall in a cycle that compete with the top 2 for the title and up to 4 cellar dwellers. Most conferences have this same core. The ACC has them, the Big 10 and 12, the PAC. What puts the SEC above all is their top is tops but when you get into the middle and lower it’s on any given Saturday. When/if Miami and FSU come back up to the top where they were for 10+ years then the ACC will be viewed in a different light because then there will be 4 or 5 fighting for top billing, The U, FSU, VT, Clemson, and GT, not to mention BC who were highly touted before coming to the ACC.

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
3:25 pm

Patrick,

Teams like Alabama, UGA, etc would not go to Boise for a home and home for one reason. Stadium size which translates into money. There’s a lot more money to be raised playing in a 102,000 seat stadium like Alabama then going and playing in a 30,000 seat stadium in Boise. It would cost a team like Alabama or any of the top tier SEC teams a tremendous amount of money in terms of lost revenue to go to Boise instead of playing at home.

gdawginkalamazoo

September 7th, 2010
3:29 pm

OB-1 IMO the ACC is the conference to watch this year. Two great games to watch with VT and NC playing in the prime time and I expect to see a battle for the ACC title this year. Should be some good football.

Just the FACTS

September 7th, 2010
3:30 pm

76-DAWG

Well why even play the MNC. Let’s just award it to an SEC team now b/c we all know that whichever SEC team wins the championship then it’s a done deal. Oh yeah, If UGA is even considered for the National title then i think i’ll have been in another universe. It’s been 30 years buddy!

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
3:30 pm

What nobody is saying is that since 1998 the inaugural year of the BCS it has largely worked with the exception of one year 2004. Someone please show me a year other than 2004 when AU got left out that the bcs did not work? And I don’t want to hear about Georgia in 2007. That was an excellent Georgia team but if you can’t win your own division you have no argument.

Love College Football

September 7th, 2010
3:30 pm

It’s awesome ( and pretty hilarious) that Masoli was outplayed by the freshman QB at JSU.

Houston we have a problem.