The question: 12-0 Boise or 12-1 SEC, ACC champ?

I thought I had all my bases covered on Boise State yesterday. But for the past five seasons this football program has been a compelling thing to watch. Last night added yet another chapter to an incredible story and–I don’t think I’m overstating this–set the narrative for the rest of the 2010 college football season.

Yes, No. 5 Boise State beat Virginia Tech 33-30 Monday night in Landover, Md. But it wasn’t just the fact that the Broncos won. It was the WAY that they won. After coming out of the gate hard and knocking Virginia Tech back with a 17-0 run to open the game, the Hokies did what strong teams do. They settled down and began to grind it and wear Boise State down.

When Virginia Tech finally took the lead in the second half you expected Frank Beamer’s team to put the Broncos away. But there is a reason Boise State has won 50 games in the past four seasons plus this one night. They are poised. They are extremely well coached. And did I mention that they have a helluva quarterback?

Kellen Moore, who threw 39 touchdown passes and only three interceptions last season (that always looks like a typo when I see it) took his final opportunity and made the most of it Monday night in what was, for all intents and purposes, a road game.

Given the fact that EVERYTHING was on the line for Boise State’s season in that moment, Moore calmly and methodically drove his team down the field and delivered a 13-yard touchdown pass to Austin Pettis with only 1:09 left to win the game.

So let the debate begin anew. Let me refresh the argument based on what we saw last night.

If we get to the end of the season and there are multiple undefeated teams, one side of the argument says that Boise must be the odd man out because it did not play as tough a schedule as the SEC, ACC, Big Ten, or Big 12 conference champions.  Here are the pertinent numbers based on the CBSSports.com’s Top 120 that ranks every Division I-A team and its strength of schedule. These numbers were done before last night’s game.

TEAM………………………RANK………………………………SOS

VIRGINIA TECH…………..11……………………………..…….7

OREGON STATE………….17…………………………………..24

NEVADA……………………..41…………………………………..57

FRESNO STATE…………….48……………………….………69

WYOMING………………….62………………………………..59

IDAHO………………………..66……………….………………119

HAWAII………………………75………………………………..93

LA. TECH…………………….90………………………………..12

UTAH STATE………………..91…………………………..…114

TOLEDO………………………99………………………………76

SAN JOSE ST……………..110………………………………..20

NEW MEXICO ST………..112……………………………….98

Just look at the rankings and the SOS of the teams Boise plays after it faces Oregon State on Sept. 25. It is a very weak schedule because, after Boise, there aren’t many good teams in the WAC. That is a fact. Just look at those numbers and judge for yourself.

But here will be the Boise State side of this argument: Did you see us play? And if you did see us play is there any doubt, now that we are 50-4 since 2006, that we are a damned good team?

Boise State is a very good team. But there are a lot of very good teams out there. The question is: If you can only pick two teams to play for the BCS title, should Boise be one of them?

As I said yesterday, if we get to the end of the season and the SEC, ACC, Big 12, and Big Ten champs are all undefeated (that’s very unlikely, of course) then I don’t see the voters in the coaches and Harris polls telling one of the big boy conferences they have to make room for Boise. I could be wrong about that but I don’t think I am.

Where it gets fun, though, is if there are only two undefeated teams–Boise and somebody else–and if the SEC, ACC, Big Ten or Big 12 champ is 12-1 having played a conference championship game. We’ve seen those championship games push teams over the top of teams without championship games in the final BCS Standings (Remember Georgia in 2007?) THAT will be a fun argument.

But this much we do know. Boise is here and they are not going away if Oregon State doesn’t beat them on the blue rug on Sept. 25. With last night’s win the Broncos have earned the right to be in this argument.

Let the fun begin.

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Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
12:45 pm

Boise Dawg,

I would rather play an undefeated Boise because our odds of winning would be much better. I think Boise is an excellent team but lets face it. They just don’t have the physical horses on the line of scrimmage to play with an Alabama or Florida or Georgia. Did you see their O-line and D-lines? Those were not SEC caliber lineman. And beating VT doesn’t mean a whole lot to me as they don’t have the talent of the 3 sec teams I just mentioned. Hell we steamrolled them for 500 yds offense last year with 8 new Offensive starters.

HugoStiglitz

September 7th, 2010
12:46 pm

Why are SEC fans the ones that seem most threatened by Boise St? Are they afraid that a 1 loss SEC team is going to get left out this year? You know, if you guys would just schedule Boise St and beat them in the regular season then you wouldnt have to worry about it. Maybe Ole Miss will show them whos boss next year. lol.

schmeckdawg

September 7th, 2010
12:47 pm

Anybody besides me really glad Bud Foster didn’t take the D-Coordinator job at UGA!

Yonizzle25

September 7th, 2010
12:48 pm

I don’t why but big teams that play bosie state make some dumbiest plays to start the game. How stupid do you have to be to get two roughing the kicker penalties in a row??????he ran bye the kicker and pushed him…why number 18

Boise Dawg

September 7th, 2010
12:51 pm

Why does everyone just assume that Boise State couldn’t be successful playing an SEC schedule? I think these are the same folks that assumed Va Tech would destroy Boise State. Very rarely do you have more than 1 or 2 tough games in a row… and there are usually a few weak SEC teams every year (Ole Miss, Vandy, Kentucky, Miss State) – these teams strike fear?

pfttt your an f'in dimwit

September 7th, 2010
12:51 pm

the sec makes its rep in the bowls. And espn touts how great the sec is day in an day out. is it a coincidence that of all the conferences espn aligns itself with the conference with the most fans in the seats? i think not.

the number of fans in the seats does not necessarily mean that a team or a conference is a top team. look at that joke of a school in columbia sc for instance.

last time i looked espn and the sec use the clout of their dollars to arrange a bowl schedule that favors the sec big time.

lets reverse things abit and let the acc or the big 10 cherry pick their opponents. i do think that the sec would start losing a lot more bowl games.

at some point congress will get involved because there is collusion between the sec and espn to control the college landscape and the dollars and sense.

bank on it.

more often than not the sec plays at home or close to home. And the matchups are made in heaven. …. that is if your an sec team.

sec is a semi pro league that plays college teams.

OB-1

September 7th, 2010
12:53 pm

SEC Fan
September 7th, 2010
7:55 am
Boise just proved last night that Va. Tech and the ACC are overrated. ACC is 0 – 2 in the big games so far this season.
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At least the ACC has played big games already, unless you want to count N’Western beating Vandy, Jax St beating Miss.

gdawginkalamazoo

September 7th, 2010
12:55 pm

Hugo, “Maybe Ole Miss will show them whos boss next year. lol.” Funny because Houston Nutt will be breaking in a new QB next year.

KR

September 7th, 2010
12:56 pm

5IML wrote: “What’s the over-under for this Thursday’s game. Auburn has no defense, and the jury is still out on Miss St.’s D.

I see: Auburn 55, MSU 49 (2OT)”

Flip a coin on this one. I told my wife Saturday that it’s not often that I can watch Auburn hang over 50 in a win and still be disappointed. But I was this weekend.

Our offense does not appear to have the ability to sustain a clock burning drive. This could be a problem if you’re trying to keep the defense rested.

Our defense does not appear to have gotten any better from last year. It’s pretty odd, because for most of my life Auburn has been known for having good defenses. Just not lately… Someone (I think on this board) referred to it as the “Leaky Roof” defense, which seems pretty appropriate.

Hopefully we look a little better on Thursday.

WAR EAGLE!

As to Boise, let’s see how the season unfolds before penciling them into or erasing them from the BCS championship game.

Just the FACTS

September 7th, 2010
12:57 pm

The Important Components

Where are the wins over USC, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, LSU, Auburn, GA, FL, Texas, Miami, FSU, Nebraska, Tennessee, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Iowa, etc?
Does Boise have a win over a team who has won a MNC in the last 50 years?

You just answered your own question. They beat Oklahoma, which has more MNC titles than UGA has. Your didn’t mention Alabama who has a MNC. By the way, has any team accepted an invitation to play Boise State at Boise State. Every game that BSU plays is an away game. I don’t think UGA went back to Boise for the home/home series. That’s funny how most team won’t play Boise anywhere other than their home field. Must be scared. We can definitely agree that the Boise team UGA played in 2004 is not the same team the last 2-3 years.

Boise Dawg

September 7th, 2010
12:59 pm

Tide – I don’t agree with the line of scrimage argument. Utah didn’t have much trouble with Alabama’s line of scrimmage. And this isn’t the first time Boise has outmanned another top team. Go back and watch that Oklahoma game in the Fiesta Bowl.. or Oregon the last two years. I am not saying their lineman are better than Bama, Florida or Georgia.. but I think they could hold their own.

Alabama may have whipped Va Tech last year, but that same Va Tech team whipped a Tennessee team that almost beat Alabama.

hey tide rising

September 7th, 2010
1:00 pm

didnt bama fans say that utah couldnt hang with bama either?

dont know what game you were watching but i saw a smaller boise team with very fast athletic players outplay a team with your style of player.

not only that but they flew 3000 miles and beat vt at their place to boot. lets see how well an sec team fairs when they have to fly to the west coast and play a good team like a usc etc.

oh i forget…. sec teams only play close to home and they cherry pick their opponents.

gt

September 7th, 2010
1:02 pm

The ACC can’t be overrated when they are not rated in the first place. The “best team” in the ACC was 10th? I don’t think Va Tech was ever the best team, but they have one of the largest stadiums which seems to work for everybody but Auburn as far as over hype. I went down and saw Auburn play Saturday night and if they can figure out a defense they are the best team in the SEC. This kid Cam Newton is special, they have great running backs, average defense. If they aren’t South Carolina is. You can almost see people like Tony trying to position themselves for the fall. Neither of these teams were very much on anybody’s radar, but they sure were there to figure out, and the big bucks have not done much of a job.

Now about Va. Tech. They played a repeat of the game they played in Atlanta last year. This team is under conditioned, undisciplined and under coached. They have been that way for quiet a while, and have sloughed a certain kind of player off on particularly the Atlanta Falcons that have that flash in the first quarter, and dud in the fourth when the real counting is done. ” We had no idea that Vick had a character problem”. Keep playing dumb, Tony and the rest of the experts, but someone tell the Falcons no more Va Tech players no matter what Tony says they look like.

Just the FACTS

September 7th, 2010
1:02 pm

Tide Rising

Don’t get high and mighty about Bama. Until Saban got there, they were in complete disarray. I believe they went through 3-4 coaches in less than a decade. You can’t say that Boise State wouldn’t be able to go through the SEC and have and undefeated season or one loss season. But if they did have a 1-2 loss season then maybe they would get more appreciation b/c their in the SEC.

eagledawg

September 7th, 2010
1:04 pm

Can you spell “play-off system” ?

Pffft.

September 7th, 2010
1:06 pm

What are you talking about!? You think Bama wanted to play Boise State 2 years ago? You think UGA wanted to play HI before that?

You must be an eaven dimmer-wit! It is the ROSE BOWL, The Big 10, and the Pac 10…that are blocking any progress. The Top Conference, SEC say ‘lets play’ a playoff because WE already do. The outsiders looking in, Boise State say ‘let’s play’ a playoff because they want and deserve a legitimate shot. The middling to poor conferences, ACC, Big 10, and Pac 10 will do anything to keep the status quo and their easy shot at a big money BCS payout…including making the Rose Bowl out to be something other than a yearly ‘has been’ bowl match up. If it were anything other than that, they would have had the sack to schedule a USC/UGA matchup. Instead the Rose Bowl got its wish and a USC/Illinois match up and the Sugar got an equally poor UGA/HI match up.

Rose bowl and BCS conferences without a Conference championship are the biggest problems in College Football–YOU can bank on that.

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
1:06 pm

Hugo,

No one is afraid of Boise. But as an Alabama fan I am certainly worried that an unbeaten Boise team could get in over a 1 loss Alabama team if we win the sec with one loss And for the record this is how Boise fares over the long haul against bcs conference competition.

Boise vs big 12 2-0, vs SEC 0-4, vs PAC 10 4-9, vs ACC 0-1, vs big 10 0-1.

Collectively Boise is 6-15 against these 5 bcs conferences.

Now lets look at just one conference, the SEC as an example, against the conference that Boise plays in the WAC.

Florida 5-0
Georgia 4-0
Tennessee 14-0
LSU 12-1
AU 7-1
Ark 12-2
Bama 5-1
Ole Miss 5-1
Uk 1-0
S, Carolina 2-1
MSU 2-2
Vandy 1-2
One SEC team with a losing record against the WAC.

We can talk all day about one game exceptions here and there like Boise’s win last night or Utah beating Alabama. But lets talk about consistency over numerous games as opposed to one game .Bottom line is that based on historical evidence Boise wouldn’t do very well against an SEC schedule based both on Boise’s own results against BCS competition over the long haul and on the SECs overall record against WAC competition. Case closed.

OB-1

September 7th, 2010
1:08 pm

UGAlien
September 7th, 2010
9:50 am
ACC Fan, what are you smoking this morning? The Bronco’s most certainly CANNOT play with any team in the country… and expect to win, that is. They played a crappy team from the crappy ACC last night. Stop trying to pump them up and make them look like it was something special to beat VT. Hell, Ole Miss would have even beat VT last night.

UGAlien
September 7th, 2010
10:06 am
404, VT = Jax State. Get the reference now, moron?

Let’s see a decimated UNC team lost to a “Great SEC” school in LSU by 6 points and VT = Jax State would mean they still beat a “Great SEC” school in Ole’ Miss.
The SEC went 10-2 as the ACC did, Ole Miss lost to a Div II school and Vandy lost to N’Western, these two are ranked in the top 20 academics so they would match up that way, so you can’t claim Vandy is just an academic school.
The ACC schools that lost UNC, depleted, lost to LSU by 6 in the last minutes of the game, and VT lost by 3 in the last minute by a team ranked higher.
On the plus sides the SEC Kentucky did beat Louisville of the Big Least and Maryland beat Navy.

Where can I get some Jorts?

September 7th, 2010
1:08 pm

If they go undefeated then let them play for the title, unless it affects a 1 loss UGA team. Then I say, “Their schedule is too weak to play in the NC game!” Unless it is negatively affecting the Dawgs, then I don’t care who plays in the NC game!

hey WAR chicken

September 7th, 2010
1:11 pm

the fans of teams that bail out of tough games dont have a say in this forum.

gt vs the war chickens for instance.

than again most of the sec bails out of games against tough opponents in venues not to their liking.

buck buck bawk bawk bawk

Just the FACTS

September 7th, 2010
1:11 pm

Tide Rising

That ALA vs VT game last year wasn’t decided until late 4th qtr. They did rack up alot of yards against VT but VT also hung in there and had a shot to win late in the game.

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
1:11 pm

Just the FACTS,

What does Alabama being down in 2000-2004 have to do with the conversation. That is irrelevant.

And based on Boise’s record as posted above vs SEC competition and against bcs competition the answer is YES. I can indeed say that Boise would not go through the sec or a bcs conference schedule unbeaten or with only 1 loss. 6-15 vs bcs competition and 5-3 since 2005 tells us that. JUST THE FACTS SIR.

chazzo

September 7th, 2010
1:13 pm

WAIT! Why wouldn’t an undefeated BSU be playing the 1 loss SEC or ACC team? Man, we have to go to the playoff system. Shorten the regular season and put 16 teams in the playoffs, work the bowls in.

richham

September 7th, 2010
1:14 pm

Wow that schedule is a lot weaker than I imagined. Only two even remotely tough teams. I’m sorry but that schedule is laughable. There are 30 or 40 teams that deserve to get in before them. Kudos to them for beating Virginia Tech, but one solid win does not make you a national title contender.

I guess they can write their congressman and use our government as a platform to waste taxpayer dollars to investigate why they didn’t make it.

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
1:14 pm

Just the FACTS,

Lemme splain some facts to you. Bama had 500 yds total offense to 150 for VT in that game. The only thing that even kept VT in the game was a series of untimely penalties, turnovers, and miscues by Bama. And unless you forgot Bama was pounding VT into the turf at the end. We had a first down around the 10 yd line and Saban just to just run out the clock. We could have tacked on another td to make it a 17 pt margin if we wanted to. VT was completely gassed at that point in the game. JUST THE FACTS SIR.

OB-1

September 7th, 2010
1:16 pm

Score Check
September 7th, 2010
11:32 am
The ACC has looked pretty weak in week 1.
UNC looses to a bad LSU team
UM looses to a Service Academy team
VT looses to an overrated BSU team
Score Check
September 7th, 2010
11:33 am
correction
UM struggles against a Service Academy team.
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And let’s look at the pretty weak 1 in the SEC
The 21st ranked LSU beat a decimated UNC, playing 2nd and 3rd string players by 6 pts.
The mighty Ole’ Miss looses to Jax State
Vandy looses to the Big 10 Vandy in N’Western

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
1:18 pm

Just the facts,

How does being down by 10 pts with Bama driving the ball down to the 10 yard line in the waning moments to tack on a 3 score differential constitute having a shot to win late in the game?

Nurse Rachet

September 7th, 2010
1:18 pm

How funny is this- the poll on ESPN this morning shows 46 states think that Boise should play in the NC game if they go 12-0. 4 state disagree- Texas, Okla, Miss and Ark. Sounds like the SEC and Big 12 don’t want to cede their favorable NC game selections from the past.

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
1:21 pm

Nurse Ratchet,

I’m all for Boise being in the big game if they play a schedule comparable to what OU and Texas see in the big 12 or comparable to what Bama sees in the sec. Let me know when Boise plays more than a 2 game schedule in a season and we’ll be glad to let them in.

jumbeauxtiger

September 7th, 2010
1:23 pm

T3

“Top things learned over the weekend:

2. The SEC looks over-rated this year.”

You based this after Week 1. I will reserve judgment until November.

Geaux Tigers
Go SEC

Just the FACTS

September 7th, 2010
1:25 pm

Tide Rising

Boise States program has really only got going the past 5 or 6 years and especially the last 3-4 years. Let’s look at those number for Boise and see what the record shows. The last loss BSU has had against an SEC team was UGA, which was back in 2004. That’s a long time ago in football years.

Nurse Rachet

September 7th, 2010
1:25 pm

Score Check What a brilliant football mind. Do you know anything about football? Did you play in the 8th grade on 3rd string? Boise overated? Md struggled with Navy- do you know anything about Navy the last few years? Are you aware of the number of UNC players that were not available to play against LSU? You know when you open your mouth you show your ignorance.

Dontavius Supremo

September 7th, 2010
1:28 pm

I still say Boise plays a cream puff schedule and no amount of talk will change that opinion. Talk is cheap, and a win over VT may well have been a fluke. As they say in Missouri, SHOW ME by playing a real schedule.

gcs

September 7th, 2010
1:30 pm

1. Boise still has a LAME conference schedule. If they wanted to impress me they should have scheduled 4 BCS opponents not 2. Don’t give me this bull that nobody wants to play them. If they are a big time program, then shell out the money.
2. How good is Virginia Tech? Every year the press gets all pumped up on the Hokies and every year they lay a big fat egg. If VT goes 8-4, 7-5 or worse, this win may not look so good.
3. Boise only won by 3 points. Oregon State is not looking so tough after TCU spanked them. The Broncos will have to convincingly beat OSU and throttle the rest of their schedule. Last year, they struggled against Tulsa and Div II UC-Davis.

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jj

September 7th, 2010
1:30 pm

for all u losers that say boise is just like hawaii in 2007 when they got their butts beat in by uga…maybe they are like utah who BLASTED BAMA INTO ANOTHER PLANET!!!! OH FORGOT ABOUT THAT ONE HUH?

jackyldo

September 7th, 2010
1:31 pm

The NCAA loves this stuff,, People argue College Football from Sept.1 – to Dec. 1 and would love to see abc vs. xyz..
The fans want a system where the top 8 or the top 16 play 2 weeks in December take a break for Christmas and then resume with Semi finals and Finals and a real winner is decided..

How stupid is the NCAA? Money would be enormous, plus if you did this with Basketball you’d crown Kansa or UCLA or NCarolina the champ year after year and we’d never see the Butlers, Drakes or Villanova’s have a chance..

Arlo

September 7th, 2010
1:32 pm

Having a good offense that barely beat a young/inexperienced defensive team that isn’t even at the top of their division much less their conference doesn’t confirm Boise’s ranking or their expectations to play for a BCSNC. VT gave Boise a run for their money & I highly doubt that Boise could beat a VT caliber team for a full schedule, much less teams like UGA, ALA, TEX, GT etc.

Nurse Rachet

September 7th, 2010
1:33 pm

Tide Rising Unfortunately you do not get to decide if Boise gets included. They are playing their schedule out just like the SEC teams do. I confess that I am a Bama fan but I am sick and tired of the SEC schools running from tough out of conference teams. Look at the out of conference schedules of the SEC teams. And the ABSOLUTE WORST is Florida. I defy you to find a ranked out of conference team that the Gators have played during the regular season over the past 20 years OR a tough out of conference game that they have played on the road over the past 20 years. I will wait for all you Gators to defend your schedule.

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
1:34 pm

Just the FACTS,

OK. Lets look at just the last 5 years to be fair to Boise. The 48-13 azzkicking at the hands of UGA occurred in 05 not 04. In that 5 year span Boise is 5-3 including last nights win with losses to Oregon State, UGA, and I forget who else. Also lost to TCU of the mwc, Fresno, Hawaii. etc.

5-3 against bcs level competition is decent enough but its not dominant. A 5-3 record would be something like a 3rd place finish in a division of the SEC, ACC, or big 12 south. Boise would do good but not great in the SEC or acc and probably finish something like 8-4 or 9-3 overall with 1 or 2 tough bcs nonconference games a year on top of a regular bcs conference schedule. But not undefeated or 1 loss by any means.

Just the FACTS

September 7th, 2010
1:35 pm

OB-1

I would try to state Just the FACTS but i think it’s pointless with tell you.

Patrick

September 7th, 2010
1:37 pm

To all the arguers who say “how would Boise State fare if they were in the SEC/PAC-10/BIG12, etc” let me ask you this question:
IF they were in one of these conferences then they would have bigger budgets for recruiting (they already have a lot of recruits from CA); they would have better overall players; and they would gain more national respect (not that they haven’t gained a lot over the past 20 years). So BSU is moving from the WAC to the Mountain West (remember UTAH went undefeated and got consideration a few years ago – Urban Meyer ring a bell) where the “competition is bigger/better.

In the meantime all BSU can do is put out the offers to play these bigger schools and what have they done? Simply put up win after win (exception being L’Ville when they were ranked high) not only in the regular season but the bowl games.

So I ask all the haters…Why won’t more big schools take them up on the offer to play BSU? BSU is the elephant in the room everybody wants to bash…but at the same time they don’t want to play!

Nurse Rachet

September 7th, 2010
1:38 pm

Atta boy Patrick- agree completely.

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
1:41 pm

Nurse Ratchet,

I just have to disagree with you on ooc opponents and scheduling. Alabama played VT and Clemson the last 2 years and plays Penn State this year which has won 11 games 3 years in a row.

Georgia plays GT which is good and last year Georgia played Ok state and GT which is equal to what what Boise plays this year in VT and Oregon State.

Florida plays FSU which is ranked and also plays bcs conference member South Florida which has won several big games over the years. South Florida is no joke. This is very comparable to Boise playing VT and 24th ranked Oregon State.

UT has played a lot of big time teams in home and homes over the years like Miami, ND, UCLA, CAL, etc Miss state played Oregon and Ole Miss had a series with Texas Tech when they were good.

And on top of playing at least one really good bcs conference team each year you have to remember that each of these SEC teams has a tough enough conference slate to go along with 1 or 2 tough nonconference games.

Nurse Rachet

September 7th, 2010
1:42 pm

Nurse Rachet Other than FSU for the Gators.

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
1:44 pm

Patrick,

Boise is 5-3 against BCS competition since 2005. That is a decent enough record but is not “putting up win after win” as you say. It is a marginally good but not great record.

Patrick

September 7th, 2010
1:45 pm

Also…why does everyone refer to them as Boise? Would you refer to FSU as “Florida?” How about Georgia State as “Georgia?”

Simple misnaming is either ignorant or just plain disrespectful.

Boise State is located in Boise, but it is not call “Boise University”…

It not only happens in blogs like this…but even the idiots on TV refer to them as “Boise”…and all Boise State does is win, win, win and win…

50+ wins in 5 seasons…

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
1:46 pm

Nurse Ratchet,

South Florida is a very respectable ball club and personally I would put them in roughly the same company as Oregon State over the last several years. They’ve beaten a lot of good teams- just ask AU, West Virginia under Pat White.

gdawginkalamazoo

September 7th, 2010
1:47 pm

jumbeauxtiger, way to keep it close Saturday night. What the hell I was going to bed at the end of the third qtr but NC wouldn’t quit. Hell of a game they put up being short handed and all.

Tide Rising

September 7th, 2010
1:48 pm

Patrick,

Who wouldn’t put up 50 plus wins in the wac every year. Georgia and Florida have never in their history lost a wac game. Bama just played wac member San Jose State and won 48-3 in a game that wasn’t that close. Could you imagine if we played San Jose caliber teams for the next 5 years or if Georgia played La-Lafayette caliber teams every game for the next 5 years? Who wouldn’t rack up 50 plus wins?

Patrick

September 7th, 2010
1:49 pm

5-3 against BCS competition…what is Ohio State’s record in BCS bowl games the last 10 years? – and what is Boise States record in BCS games?

My point is that they are not in a “big” conference (yet moving to a “bigger and better conference”…but IF you were to level the playing field – them in a big conference with big dollars…then maybe some recruits would be more inclined to go there based on the quality of football they play. Other “big” schools would have to sway them from going to BSU.