Boise State vs. Virginia Tech: Who are you pulling for?

A lot of stuff happened happened in the first weekend of college football:

Georgia and Georgia Tech had impressive opening wins, setting up big road games for this week.

Ole Miss got its quarterback when Jeremiah Masoli was cleared to play on Friday. But on Saturday some kind of strange karma kicked in and the Rebels lost to Jacksonville State, 49-48 in double overtime. Ouch.

LSU almost lost to a team (North Carolina) with 13 players (five starters on defense) missing due to various reasons. That won’t help reduce the “hot seat” references for Les Miles at LSU.

Florida can’t seem to snap the ball to the quarterback despite 15 practices in the spring and 29 more in the summer. Is it just me or has the Gators’ offense not been the same since OC Dan Mullen became the head coach at Mississippi State? I’m just asking.

Truth be told, verything that happened this weekend was the appetizer to set up the main course of this incredible week: Auburn at Mississippi State on Thursday and a Saturday lineup that includes: Georgia at South Carolina, Miami at Ohio State, Penn State at Alabama, Florida State at Oklahoma, South Florida at Florida, Oregon at Tennessee, and Michigan at Notre Dame. Wow!

But what I want to focus on this morning is tonight’s Boise State-Virginia Tech game. Because who you’re pulling for in this game says a lot about you as a college football fan.

For this game, fans fall into two different camps:

First there is the new wave. This group of fans is pulling for Boise big time because they think the little guy deserves a chance to play for the national championship and feel Boise has earned it with their play over the past four seasons (49-4). They believe the fix is in to take care of the big conferences when it comes to the BCS. They want the college football equivalent of Butler-Duke. More than anything  these fans would like for the BCS to blow up and they think Boise is the best way to accomplish that goal.

The other group of fans I’ll call traditionalists. They don’t dislike Boise, but they strongly believe that the Broncos from the WAC play an easy conference schedule and could not survive under the weekly pounding that is the SEC, Big 12, Big Ten, etc.  To them, Boise is a nice little team, very entertaining and all that. They admire what Boise has done within the context of what it is.

 Quite frankly, they don’t want to have to listen for the entire season about Boise and how deserving they are and how the big boys just aren’t being fair to them. They want Boise to lose and get off the radar. Now.

Understand this when it comes to Boise. They start at No. 5 in the coaches poll and that is significant. It’s tougher to enforce a glass ceiling when a team starts at No. 5.  But if we get to the end of the regular season and some combination of the SEC, Big Ten, and Big 12 champs are undefeated, then Boise is not going to get into the big game ahead of one of those champions. The voters in the coaches and Harris polls will look at the overall strength of schedules go with the big conferences. You can take that to the bank.

Here is why: The CBSSports.com poll that ranks all 120 Division I-A teams, reveals that while Boise is ranked No. 3 in the preseason, it plays the No. 100-ranked schedule. After Virginia Tech (No. 11) and Oregon State (No. 17), the remaining 10 teams on the Boise schedule are ranked No. 41 or worse. Five opponents are ranked No. 90 or worse.

 Where it will get interesting in Decenber is if Boise is undefeated and there is only one or no undefeated champions in the other conferences.

This question, I think, focuses the argument. Let’s say Ohio State goes undefeated and gets into the national title game. Who gets the second spot: A 12-1 SEC champ, a 12-1 Big 12 champ or a 12-0 Boise? That is when the argument will get interesting.

What say you?

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386 comments Add your comment

rusty

September 6th, 2010
7:43 am

really want Va Tech in this one.

Jake

September 6th, 2010
7:44 am

I’m for VT,, if someone don’t take care of BS, they will be playing year ending as National Champs,, Who out there could beat themA?

Atticus

September 6th, 2010
7:47 am

Virginia Tech for sure. It is a JOKE that a team like Boise could play in a championship beating two teams. But then again the BCS or FCS or whatever you call this sham of college football…its a joke anyway. Give Boise LSU’s schedule and they go 7-4.

Nick

September 6th, 2010
7:47 am

Tony-

You’re right. Urban Meyer looked sloppy, made it look like his past success was due to Strong & Tebow. Didn’t look so good without his 2 lucky charms.

8 fumbles? 26 yards in 3 quarters? Don’t know where they’re going to find receivers, or a running back. Or a center.

But Oct. comes quickly for Florida, Alabama,Miss St, LSU & Georgia. Gonna be a long month for the Gators in october for the next 2 years.

Beast from the East

September 6th, 2010
7:48 am

Pulling for Va Tech, so there is no “discussion” at the end of the year. I think an undefeated Boise State would get in over a one loss SEC team this year. They’ve been crowing for several years and based on their preseason ranking, have gotten the attention of the voters. I know they have a good prgoram, but how would they fare with a SEC, Big 10 or Big 12 schedule week in and week out. That’s the knock everyone has on them. They only have to show up one or two weeks a year.

Beast from the East

September 6th, 2010
7:50 am

Nick,
90% of the offenseive woes were due to the snapping problem. Get that fixed and we’ll be just fine, thanks.

Beast from the East

September 6th, 2010
7:51 am

Typo….offensive

3rdn8

September 6th, 2010
7:52 am

hey…I’m first to say “First!!”

Nick

September 6th, 2010
7:52 am

Aaron Murray’s 4 TD’s outgunned a few Heisman front runner’s 3 td’s. You got to put him in the Heisman conversation–Murray earned it.

3rdn8

September 6th, 2010
7:53 am

I’m not sure that’s a typo. I usually have a cold in Decenber

Nick

September 6th, 2010
7:54 am

80% of Meyer’s woes were Tebow & Strong are gone, those won’t be fixed, ever. Had little to do with a center missing snaps or a QB who couldn’t catch from his center a simple ball snap.

Andy

September 6th, 2010
7:56 am

Va Tech all the way. This game will show more then anything that a playoff system is needed. Even if Boise St wins this game does that make them worthy of national title talk? Sure VT is a good team but their D is young. This game at the end of the season would be more entertaining.

fprex

September 6th, 2010
7:56 am

So why didn’t you say anything about Florida’s offense not being the same back in the offseason? Hindsight is 20/20. I’m pretty sure you picked Florida to win the East again.

Check out the article on Phil Steele’s website earlier this summer predicting Florida’s fall. That’s sticking your neck out, not AFTER you’ve seen them fail.

http://www.philsteele.com/Blogs/Individual_Team_blogs/Georgia_Blog.html

Go Boise. Great to see a coach “coach them up” better than just about anywhere. What a system.

Beast from the East

September 6th, 2010
7:56 am

Obviously, you didn’t watch the game, expert.

robertussen

September 6th, 2010
7:56 am

vt sucks boise state all the way

hal combo

September 6th, 2010
7:57 am

Not likely, but Lord help us if an undefeated Auburn, starting in the low 20’s polls, were to come in behind Ohio St and Boise!

Thunder City

September 6th, 2010
7:59 am

Hey there Tony,

You’ve been going on and on and on and on about how great Saban is. I thought you’d appreciate what Grantham did in his debut Sat compared to Saban’s debut. Saban’s was against West Carolina, Grantham’s against La Lafeyette.

Defensive stats
1st downs–
Grantham- 5
Saban–15

3rd down conv:
Saban- 7/17
Grantham- 3/16

Total Yards:
Saban- 247
Grantham- 128

Pass Yards:
Saban- 171
Grantham- 114

Rushing Yards:
Saban- 76
Grantham- 14

Forced TO’s:
Saban- 2
Grantham- 3

Saban’s debut at Alabama:
http://espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=272440333

News Flash:
Grantham can coach defense.

3rdn8

September 6th, 2010
8:00 am

I don’t know what to make of this weekend, but now understand why the NFL plays four preseason games.

The SEC as a whole, doesn’t seem as strong as it did this time last week. UF, Ole Miss and LSU look pretty ragged.

On the onther hand UGA, and USC looked pretty polished.

Great lineup this week. I’ve had the opportunity to have attended two Bama-PSU games. Neither one disappointed. Clean, hard hitting, down to the wire.

Glad to see JoePa make one more trip to BDS.

Nick

September 6th, 2010
8:03 am

This will be the year we find out if Meyer’s success was due to Strong & Tebow, his 2 lucky charms, or if Meyer can actually coach. We will know for sure after 2010.

WonderDawg

September 6th, 2010
8:03 am

TB: “But if we get to the end of the regular season and some combination of the SEC, Big Ten, and Big 12 champs are undefeated, then Boise is not going to get into the big game ahead of one of those champions.”
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Tony, I’m not so sure about that. It depends on who the ESPN talking heads decide to endorse. If Ohio State loses a couple, and Kirk Herbstreit starts gushing about Boise . . .

Beast from the East

September 6th, 2010
8:08 am

Nick,
Just like last year was the year we found out how well Richt coached without Stafford and Moreno? Give it a rest. We had to hear about how Tebow was overrated for 4 years but now that’s he’s gone, you say he’s the only reason Meyer won 2 NC’s. Grow up, kid.

3rdn8

September 6th, 2010
8:10 am

I agree on the question mark surrounding Meyer. He’s an offensive minded guy. When he got to UF, he had the good sense to retain Strong as DC.

We’ll see if his new DC can carry on the program

JDW

September 6th, 2010
8:10 am

Boise is a nice little team that plays well against a larger school occasionally. Lets start with 2005 after a summer of chest beating they came to Athens and just got smoked 48-13. Take a look at thier losses over the last four years Washington, Hawaii (same team Georgia pounded in the Sugar Bowl), East Carolina, and TCU. Not exactly a who’s who of college football. Then there is thier record against BCS schools, not the best mind you mainly average PAC 10 schools, over the last 10 years. It is 6 and 10 again not the stuff of legends.

Nick

September 6th, 2010
8:10 am

Meyer should win a National Championship with the #1 recruiting class, a 3rd year QB, solid defense. If not, Florida has a coaching problem.

Josh

September 6th, 2010
8:12 am

78,000 Tech fans and ONLY a few from Boise. Good luck with that Kellen. Hokies win big

3rdn8

September 6th, 2010
8:13 am

I never trash talk….ever….but….think that maybe Saturday erased Pouncey’s name from the Rimington Watch List?

MC

September 6th, 2010
8:14 am

VT. Blow the annual Boise St. BCS controversy out of the water early this year.

Nick

September 6th, 2010
8:15 am

Meyer’s had the 2 most talented teams in the country, last 2 yrears. If he chokes again, and by the way, he will, it’s coaching, he’ll always be looked at as Urban “Lucky” Meyer for the years he won with Strong & Tebow.

Nick

September 6th, 2010
8:16 am

This just in:

Mark Richt can coach.

Beast from the East

September 6th, 2010
8:16 am

Nick,
But UGA has a much better HC, right? What’s he done since Greene and VanGorder left?
3rdn8,
I’d say you are correct in that assessment, unless he looks all-world the rest of the season.

RGP

September 6th, 2010
8:19 am

No team should be rewarded for having a weak schedule and playing in a championship game even if they go undefeated. Otherwise teams that are in SEC or Big Ten or some other strong conference could leave their conference start scheduling weaker teams and do like Boise State does- go undefeated and be rewarded for doing so.

3rdn8

September 6th, 2010
8:22 am

speculation re: Meyer’s coaching ability. Amazing how the worm turns. All of a sudden people wonder if this guy can coach? I don’t. He’s been successful everywhere he’s been.

The question is: How quickly can Florida adapt to all of the changes in personnel….coaches and players.

I saw the same thing at Alabama when Bryant was the coach. Successful programs get raided for outstanding assistants. Sometimes is takes a few games, or even a season to adjust.

Frank

September 6th, 2010
8:24 am

Boise State would lose at least 5 times in the SEC and 3 in the ACC if they were in either conference, how they can be considered legit is beyond me. Anyone can get their team up for one legitimate opponent per year. If you look at their record against real BCS teams, it is not particularly good. They are simply media darlings and the flavor of the week IYAM.

THWGT!!!!!

collegeballfan

September 6th, 2010
8:24 am

You are correct “the Gators’ offense not been the same since OC Dan Mullen became the head coach at Mississippi State.”

Brew

September 6th, 2010
8:26 am

Going for Boise St. It’s not their fault schools run from them, unless Boise goes cross country and comes to them. No one east of the Mississippi has the testicular fortitude to try ‘em on the blue field. None of the BCS conferences will let them in. They’re doing all they can to prove their worth, but the man is keepin’ ‘em down.

TDone

September 6th, 2010
8:26 am

Tech learned a lot about itself by playing South Carolina State. It will help down the road.

Lord help us indeed

September 6th, 2010
8:26 am

Yes, Lord help us all if an undefeated SEC team takes a third seat behind a school playing 10 teams ranked 40 or below. I know Boise has been winning lately but as the article glaringly points out, just who have they been beating? You’re only as good as the teams you’re playing, so based on that idea I say Boise still isn’t in the same league as the big conferences. If they want national respect they should have out of conference games scheduled with the SEC, Big 10, Big 12 or PAC 12 only. Focus on the big teams , beat them with regularity and then I’ll be a believer.

Beast from the East

September 6th, 2010
8:26 am

3rdn8,
I don’t expect any NC’s this year. Thought they were ranked a bit too high to start the season. That being said, anyone that questions Meyer’s coaching abilities has either not been paying attention or is just being argumentative becuase they’re jealous. I suspect Nick (Simple Simon, Sulley, etc.) falls into that category. UF had one bad game and he’s swithced from blasting Saban to Meyer.

3rdn8

September 6th, 2010
8:26 am

Nick

I’m a Bama fan, but how do you figure that Meyer “choked” last year? He lost a whopping total of one game.

UF had the bad luck of running into a Bama team that was All World that night. If those teams had played best two out of three….who knows?

long time sec fan

September 6th, 2010
8:26 am

well said Beast. first week means so little except to wishers (dreamers?.

Fast Eddie

September 6th, 2010
8:27 am

As a Gator season ticket holder for 25 years I can tell you Addazio sucks as an OC. He was hired to be the offensive line coach and became co-offensive coordinator when Mullen left. He is still the offensive line coach but the line looked like crap Saturday. He needs to return to his primary job as OLC.

I can see several losses this year if Addazio continues to call plays. Meyer is a great head coach but he is hardheaded and loyal to fault with his friends. Reminds one of Richt and Willie when it comes to Addazio.

Cracker Jacket

September 6th, 2010
8:28 am

Boise State!

In Decatur

September 6th, 2010
8:30 am

Might as well make the “traditionalist” complain a little more. Let’s go with Boise State because we all want a playoff system.

You play your schedule -not last years, not next years, and unless something changes where the schedule is not self selected and agreed upon by two schools, then lets stop moaning about Boise and imply that they have the weaker schedule by choice. If the SEC, Big 12 or Pac 12 came calling, they would leave in a heartbeat. Maybe the would be middle of the pack, but at least we would finally have an answer. Playoff!

J Clay

September 6th, 2010
8:30 am

I’d say you missed on 2 comments: How is Tech game a huge road game? They are going to play Kansas who just lost at home to North Dakota…..Secondly and the bigger miss – you called Oregon and Tennessee a big game – you must be stating this only because of name and history. Oregon will go in there and win by 25 points or more.

Spike

September 6th, 2010
8:31 am

I remember the same talk about Boise in 2005 when they were going to come down here and show UGA and the SEC a thing or two with Jared Zabransky and their winning streak and blah,blah,blah. Remember the arse whuppin’ the Dogs put on them? That is what they would be like if they played in the SEC every year.

naganole

September 6th, 2010
8:33 am

Pulling for VT. ACC ACC ACC…. lol

chilidawg

September 6th, 2010
8:34 am

I’m not a VT fan at all, but I want them to win big over Boise. As you said, I want them to go away NOW. A one loss SEC team not making the championship game this year would be just as bad as Auburn getting jobbed in 2004.

Greg

September 6th, 2010
8:35 am

Definitely the latter scenario. Why should any team get a free pass to the BCS national title game(or any BCS bowl for that matter) if they win the one or two games of significance over the course of their entire schedule? I hope VT rolls them. If they don’t, Boise IS going to go undefeated with that schedule. Their only other real game is Oregon State at home…and the Beavers are a borderline top 25 team that has already lost to TCU.

You can’t compare Boise’s place in college football to Butler’s place in college hoops. It only takes a few really good players to be very competitive in college hoops these days. Taking nothing away from Butler, but the college hoops landscape is completely watered down by early entrants to the NBA draft. That allows schools like Butler, Gonzaga, Murray State, etc to compete with the big boys if they can keep their core group of players together for a few years.

Another advantage for Butler is that they are located in Indianapolis, which is in the midst of fertile hoops recruiting ground, so it’s never been unfathomable that they could bring in a nationally competitive group of 7-8 players. On the other hand, Boise State is in Idaho…far away from most high caliber football players. Based on that fact, who in their right mind would believe that Boise State can recruit on a scale to be competitive in a real conference? Apparently, lots of people based on their current ranking, but it defies logic. And don’t tell me Chris Peterson and his staff are that much better than the rest of the coaching staff’s out there. They are good, but they aren’t magicians. Boise would be a solid middle tier team in every BCS conference other than the Big East.

CATlanta

September 6th, 2010
8:35 am

Tony, you hit the nail on the head. There is no disrespect of Boise coming from me. I think they have a great football team. I just don’t think they deserve to play in the title game with their strength of schedule. Pulling for VA Tech big time on this one!

This is gonna be an interesting season as always. So glad that football season is back!

Lord help us indeed

September 6th, 2010
8:36 am

You Gators need to worry about getting the ball to the QB. It’s a long way from something as basic as handling a snap to a National Title. Your fooling yourself if you don’t think UF is in for a bit of a back slide. It just happens that way, lot of up years in the swamp and you’re just due a down period. Talk all you want about recruiting, freshmen rarely come in and bolster a team immediately. Look to your schedule, it doesn’t look like a cake walk to me.