NCAA wrong on Masoli ruling
I had another blog set for this morning but the news changed everything. And that’s good. So here we go:
The NCAA is wrong on the Jeremiah Masoli ruling. Here’s why.
The NCAA has refused to grant former Oregon quarterback Jeremiah Masoli a waiver to be eligible to play at Ole Miss this season. Ole Miss has appealed the ruling but it is unlikely that the appeal will be successful. I reached out to Coach Houston Nutt this morning and I would have to say that he is not optimistic.
Here is what I see: You can make an ethical argument over whether or not Masoli, who was kicked off the Oregon team, should be allowed to play right away at Ole Miss. The fact is he got a second chance from Oregon coach Chip Kelly and he blew it. So if you want to take the position that Ole Miss should not have taken the kid in the first place, I respect that point of view.
But this is not an ethical argument. It is a legal argument. There is a system in place that allows athletes who have graduated with eligibility remaining to transfer and become eligible immediately at another school. You simply have to fulfill the requirements, which Masoli did.
Ole Miss will make the argument that the rules do not require the athlete to be in good standing with a team, but with the university where he last attended. Masoli graduated from Oregon so therefore he was in good standing with the school.
The NCAA rule says something about the transfer being for academic reasons. But the requirement states that the transferring student must enroll in a graduate program not available at his former institution. Masoli did that.
Again, you can make the argument that Ole Miss should not have a taken the kid. I’ve got no problem with that.
But I’m not comfortable with the NCAA being able to arbitrarily say that this kid has a legitimate reason to transfer and that kid does not. They should not have that kind of discretionary power.
There has to be a system and a set of rules. You either follow the rules or you don’t. If you follow the rules then the result should be predictable. If not, then you should get rid of the rule.
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F Dog
September 1st, 2010
5:29 pm
Momo
What’s your birthdate Bro?
Tide Rising
September 1st, 2010
5:30 pm
MoMo,
If you’re willing to tell me how Utah beat us in our own backyard then you and I are without a doubt 2 different people.
The guy posting as Greg and Larry is Patrick Sulley aka simple simon, q-dog, and about 100 other different handles.
Lately he is just using everyday names like Greg and Larry. And since this troll has been busted so many times trolling with the same stuff over and over he then turns around and tries to say that myself, beast from the east, and several other posters who call him out are all the same person. So today he is saying that me, Momo, and a few others including Patrick Sulley of all people are the same person. What a moron.
Jessie
September 1st, 2010
5:30 pm
Actually MoMo, you hijike the blog everyday, and talk to youraself.
Will
September 1st, 2010
5:31 pm
wELL, LOOKIE HERE WHO SHOWED UP, NONE OTHER THAN tIDE rISING. WHAT AN AMAZING SURPRISE.
MoMo
September 1st, 2010
5:32 pm
Guy
September 1st, 2010
5:28 pm
MoMo
Didn’t think you would, somebody should report this guy to the AJ and ban him.
(A) Ugggh. I tried to help you…but you arent helping youself by trying to assume I am someone else. The “Sulley” I know you are talking about is because he’s been bannes countless times from the ESPN threads.
Don’t do it dude, you are tiring the issue, seriously. They can see. Report me…and you will see that everything is consistent. Go back to my first posts and look again….they can see as well. Stop beating a dead horse.
The guy Sulley uses insults and berates and trolls. If you read…I have talked about the Masoli issue ad nausem, only to have 3 of you regulars here call me someone else. Silly dude. Straight silly.
DWTS 76'
September 1st, 2010
5:33 pm
F Dog-
Don’t think MoMo will be supplying any of his family’s name, or his birthdate, wonder why?
MoMo
September 1st, 2010
5:35 pm
MoMo,
If you’re willing to tell me how Utah beat us in our own backyard then you and I are without a doubt 2 different people.
The guy posting as Greg and Larry is Patrick Sulley aka simple simon, q-dog, and about 100 other different handles.
Lately he is just using everyday names like Greg and Larry. And since this troll has been busted so many times trolling with the same stuff over and over he then turns around and tries to say that myself, beast from the east, and several other posters who call him out are all the same person. So today he is saying that me, Momo, and a few others including Patrick Sulley of all people are the same person. What a moron
(A) I actually can. My brother was (and still is) on that team. It was simple. Special teams and physical play. Outrun Bama to the rock and the fact that you (Bama) had a serious deficiency at QB. Straight up.
It didnt hurt that most of those players were Urbans recruits, so the gap was not as wide as people thought. Period.
Big D
September 1st, 2010
5:35 pm
MoMo/Tide Rising (all your handles, can’t keep up)
Why do you have conversations with yourself on the blog? I’d like to see you banned this yar, so we don’t have to read your useless monolgues to yourself for 3 or 4 pages a day on blogs like this. Who has the time?
MoMo
September 1st, 2010
5:36 pm
The guy posting as Greg and Larry is Patrick Sulley aka simple simon, q-dog, and about 100 other different handles
(A) Makes sense. This is the guy who called me out and here the barrage comes.
F Dog
September 1st, 2010
5:37 pm
MoMo-
What’s your birthdate man?
MoMo
September 1st, 2010
5:38 pm
Big D
September 1st, 2010
5:35 pm
MoMo/Tide Rising (all your handles, can’t keep up)
Why do you have conversations with yourself on the blog? I’d like to see you banned this yar, so we don’t have to read your useless monolgues to yourself for 3 or 4 pages a day on blogs like this. Who has the time?
(A) No. It isnt. Read above. The other guys are the person you refernce. Not me. Gary, Larry, etc. I use MOMo because it is apart of my name. The mods would see that in my email. It actually leads to a place of business. They can def email me to inquire as well.
MoMo
September 1st, 2010
5:39 pm
F Dog
September 1st, 2010
5:37 pm
MoMo-
What’s your birthdate man?
(A) Sulley. Nice. Nice way to try and turn the tables. I’m out dude.
Joe
September 1st, 2010
5:40 pm
ATTENTON TONY & AJC:
Please ban the guy who’s been faking a bunch of handles, talking to himself as Dilbert, Tide Rising, MoMo, stealing other people’s identities.
He’s been posting here all day.
Pplease ban this guy. We all can’t stand reading his boring posts to himself.
Thanks,
Joe
MoMo
September 1st, 2010
5:40 pm
Lately he is just using everyday names like Greg and Larry. And since this troll has been busted so many times trolling with the same stuff over and over he then turns around and tries to say that myself, beast from the east, and several other posters who call him out are all the same person. So today he is saying that me, Momo, and a few others including Patrick Sulley of all people are the same person. What a moron.
(A) Makes sense. I got caught in the trap.
MoMo
September 1st, 2010
5:42 pm
ATTENTON TONY & AJC:
Please ban the guy who’s been faking a bunch of handles, talking to himself as Dilbert, Tide Rising, MoMo, stealing other people’s identities.
He’s been posting here all day.
Pplease ban this guy. We all can’t stand reading his boring posts to himself.
Thanks,
Joe
(A) Joe aka sulley. Confusing as h***. Who is for real here? The board has been hijacked.
Jake
September 1st, 2010
5:44 pm
look its not about if your feelings are hurt cause he stole something. he got kicked off the team for pot? come on now pot will be lagal b4 you know it and dont belittle him cause it makes you no better. im sure all you have never seen pot cause your morals are so strong! haha yea right. NCAA wrong again. there isnt a rule for morals. he completed all requirements. END OF STORY! theres nothing else to say. he did what he was asked. just another kid like dez bryant who is getting screwed. at least dez actually broke a rule. Masoli was in good standing. Therefore let him play and go by the rules you set NCAA. Arent you supposed to know the rules it is your job…just saying your wrong again!
Tide Rising
September 1st, 2010
5:44 pm
I guess we can add big D to Patrick Sulley’s list of other aliases such as Garry and Larry. Patrick do you really think that other people are as stupid as you are? Do you really think that other people can’t tell that you keep posting the same drivel under different names?
If you’re going to keep posting under all kinds of different names here’s a clue; change up your diction, change your grammar and sentence and paragraph structure, and say different things as opposed to saying the same exact thing with different handles. Then you won’t look so freaking stupid.
Clifford Stone
September 1st, 2010
5:47 pm
Most people are missing the point here. Yes Masoli probably doesnt deserve to even play D1 football at all. But the NCAA are pathetic. Everyone else has to follow their policy no matter how stupid but they can make it up as they go along. If Masoli found a loop hole, then thats the ncaa’s fault and they should have closed it long ago.
Tide Rising
September 1st, 2010
5:48 pm
MoMo,
He’s easy to spot. He hasn’t hijacked the board. Just go back to ignoring him. You know its the same person because he just keeps posting the same thing over and over just under different handles. The dude doesn’t even try to make it differentiate what he’s saying. I usually just call him out once to let the troll know he’s been detected and then ignore him the rest of the day. Usually works and he just goes away.
MoMo
September 1st, 2010
5:51 pm
Nonetheless it was good convo…some good points, in the end…consistency. Masoli should play under the letter of the rule as it was simply formed to boost graduation rates…and that is what Masoli did…graduate…so he should have the benefit of the rule as Kevin Kruger (son of Lon Kruger transferred from ASU to UNLV to play basketball for his dad, did not sit out..was granted the waiver)…or Greg Paulus who even tried out for NFL teams before deciding on Syracuse.
Let the man play. He graduated, nuff said.
Dan
September 1st, 2010
5:53 pm
Masolis heart-wrenching tweet says it all….”I dont know what to say…I followed all the rules…I have to have faith.”
Uh no…….Jackmyguitarduh….you DID NOT follow all the rules. If you had, you would be suiting up in green and gold this weekend.
The Ducks had FAITH in you when you got your “second” chance, (if you ask me everytime he chose to deny it up until the plea deal was a “chance”). You need to have more faith in yourself..
MoMo
September 1st, 2010
5:56 pm
Kevin Kruger being given the waiver to play FOR HIS DAD! Crazy.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2512779
Kevin Kruger became the first college basketball player to use a new rule that allows players to transfer without sitting out a year as long as they graduated and have one year of eligibility remaining.
Kruger, the top returning scorer for Arizona State, graduated this week after the first summer session. Once he had his degree, he informed Sun Devils coach Herb Sendek that he was off to play for his father, Lon Kruger, at UNLV next season. Kruger redshirted his first season at ASU.
Bill
September 1st, 2010
5:56 pm
NCAA just the mafia in disguise. They have outlived their charter.
DP
September 1st, 2010
6:00 pm
MightyQuinn, given this recent Twitter from Marvin Austin, you might not want to be taking shots at the grammar and punctuation of SEC football players:
http://blogs.newsobserver.com/accnow/uncs-austin-suspended-indefinitely#ixzz0yJjnHzok
“I came back to school to have my character questions..[expletive]..i thought educationi was key.. I dont really understand…i though it was the right thing to do..maybe i was mistaken…i like to say thanx to all those who stand by me i really appriecate it. oh yea and to those who wanna see me fall i wont cause i dont great athletes stay on their feet!!!!!”
ryan
September 1st, 2010
6:04 pm
Just let thugs play anyone else would be put in jail everyone else calls UGA thug U but it OK for Masoli to get free pass you people a bunch of hypocrites
MoMo
September 1st, 2010
6:05 pm
It’s ALL corrupt. I mean the BG’s are legall sanctioned “non-profit” charitable events….but we all know there is a huge cash exchange going on here. It’s a CASH COW.
Beast from the East
September 1st, 2010
6:06 pm
Tide,
Been working all day. I see that Patrick has you going again today. I think you’ve become his favorite target. Maybe Richt got a restraining order and now he’s coming after YOU! LOL!!!
Beast from the East
September 1st, 2010
6:08 pm
DP,
That is a riot! Sounds like he was tutored by Corrine Brown, one of UF’s most (in)famous alums!
Tide Rising
September 1st, 2010
6:11 pm
Beast,
No. Its only in the last few minutes that I’ve addressed the troll. I normally call him out once to let him know he’s been detected and then just ignore him the rest of the day.
CATlanta
September 1st, 2010
6:11 pm
Is Masoli a proven quarterback? Yes.
Is Houston Nutt’s decision making in question after getting him to Ole Miss? Yes.
Is this all about Ole Miss winning games? Yes.
Did Masoli get screwed by the NCAA? Yes.
There is no way I would want this kid on my team. He had two chances at Oregon and blown them both. Furthermore, I would not want this kind of kid involved in my program, period.
However, the kid got screwed by the NCAA. The NCAA is clearly not following their own guidelines here and they need to be held accountable. This comes as no surprise to me and I am sure anyone else who follows college football isn’t surprised either. I think Ole Miss has a legitimate appeal with the NCAA. The timing of the ruling is stellar too, but that’s just par for the course (i.e. 5 years late with USC).
A lot of “experts” are praising the NCAA with their decision on this kid. I have to disagree, this is a legal issue only, not an ethical or moral one.
MoMo
September 1st, 2010
6:16 pm
However, the kid got screwed by the NCAA. The NCAA is clearly not following their own guidelines here and they need to be held accountable. This comes as no surprise to me and I am sure anyone else who follows college football isn’t surprised either. I think Ole Miss has a legitimate appeal with the NCAA. The timing of the ruling is stellar too, but that’s just par for the course (i.e. 5 years late with USC).
(A) I agree with you on all fronts and though I do disagree slightly on having the guy in my program (various past reports have reported sensationalized “facts” regarding him and the law…SI has a good investigative piece on it all)…but you are right with the overall thrust of your point.
The NCAA has to be stopped. Its something to ponder in how they can on one hand (Ole Miss/Masoli) calim “spirit” of the rule as a moral compass, and yet are seriously overdue for the USC penalty (5 years and counting).
I only wish that somehow they would be stopped. The money and power is just too great.
Jack
September 1st, 2010
6:21 pm
This might have already been pointed out but I will say it anyway. This is the right ruling for the future of college football. Someone needs to teach these young guys that you will be held accountable for your actions even if there is a loop hole you are trying to slide through. It makes my stomach sick to read the articles with Masoli and Nutt saying that this kid has done everything the right way. Are you kidding me??? How many times has he been arrested since he was in high school??? Someone needs to discipline him and make him actually pay for what he has done. Oregon did but then Ole Miss grabs him as soon as they need another qb. What does that teach other young guys coming up. It doesn’t matter what you do as long as you win football games. Actually the president of Ole Miss should be the one ashamed for even letting him into their graduate school.
DP
September 1st, 2010
6:30 pm
MoMo, how do you figure the NCAA isn’t following their own guidelines? Their guidelines are that student athletes who want to transfer for the grad school exception have to apply for a waiver from the NCAA. That means it’s at the discretion of the NCAA, not that something that is automatically granted. They didn’t say do A, then B and you’re eligible to play immediately at the new school, they said you can apply for a waiver and we’ll consider it.
Perhaps when the people at the NCAA were thinking about this relatively new policy it didn’t cross their mind that a student athlete who was kicked off of one football team for criminal conduct (actually two different episodes of criminal conduct in a fairly short time period plus lying to the police and his coach) would have the audacity to use this possible waiver as a way to evade punishment. The people who wrote the rules don’t have to say that because they didn’t specifically exclude the loophole the player is trying to exploit they can’t close it retroactively. They couldn’t have anticipated every potential loophole and forbidden them all, hence the waiver process.
CATlanta
September 1st, 2010
6:31 pm
Bottom line, this is all about winning ball games and putting your team in the best position to win. It seems to be a great opportunity for Ole Miss in that regard, getting a QB of this caliber. That being said, I think that’s all it is, winning games. Ole Miss is concerned solely with winning games, generating revenue, boosting recruiting and getting their program to the next level. That is definitely the name of the game and you won’t hear any argument from me on that topic.
I just think there is something to be said for coaches who are able to accomplish that with players whose character is not in question.
MoMo
September 1st, 2010
6:33 pm
This might have already been pointed out but I will say it anyway. This is the right ruling for the future of college football. Someone needs to teach these young guys that you will be held accountable for your actions even if there is a loop hole you are trying to slide through. It makes my stomach sick to read the articles with Masoli and Nutt saying that this kid has done everything the right way. Are you kidding me??? How many times has he been arrested since he was in high school??? Someone needs to discipline him and make him actually pay for what he has done. Oregon did but then Ole Miss grabs him as soon as they need another qb. What does that teach other young guys coming up. It doesn’t matter what you do as long as you win football games. Actually the president of Ole Miss should be the one ashamed for even letting him into their graduate school
(A) I understand you statement…but this is not fantasy land where everything is done subjectively. It’s a business and the bottom line is to produce, even if it means taking risks and toting the company line to do it in the face of a PR beating.
In big business…ethics are the last thing they are concerned about. This is just the NCAA attempting to flex in an era of uncontrollable agent and rule violation issues it cannot police. Scare tactic to make people fall in line. Still will not work & it doesnt scare anyone.
confounded
September 1st, 2010
6:42 pm
I think all of you “God wannabes” should get together and stone Masoli. Just kill him. Throw “big” rocks at him. According to you he’s not worth his own skin. I’d be willing to bet that there are plenty of skeletons in your closets, or, you’re “perfect people” … not! So, give the kid a chance or throw him away? Better think hard. If you vote to throw him then I say you think more of yourselves than you ought.
CARDFAN
September 1st, 2010
6:51 pm
If this approval was automatic, he would not have had to apply for a ruling. Not all circumstances can be foreseen in the rule writing process. This is not being pompous or arrogant. It is the NCAA applying a principle that permission is required. They did not make an arbitrary ruling says “no ’cause we said so’ they laid out a rational reasoning for the ruling that, to me, makes sense. As far as due process, they are following their due process procedure. he made the necessary ruling, received an adverse reply and has appeals rights. Due Process does not mean that he gets the outcome he wants. In addition, the NCAA has not revoked his remaining eligibility, only deferred it. The NCAA exists for exactly this type of situation, they are a cop with common law enforcement. Also it appears that the “Graduate Study” area was picked to meet the requirements not because of a deep seated interest in Parks and Recreation. The NCAA got it right sorry Tony
Steve Jones
September 1st, 2010
7:12 pm
Couldn’t agree with you more. This is another example of the NCAA bending their rules for reasons other than the facts at hand. I agree that there are several arguments for and against the young man, but that is not the issue here. The issue is simply whether or not the NCAA should be allowed to manipulate the rules to meet an end that cannot be justified. A rule, is a rule, is a rule and this one was spelled out clearly. The player met the requirements that SHOULD allow him to play.
CARDFAN
September 1st, 2010
7:12 pm
It is time to stop beating up on the NCAA. To listen to all the comments, most posters believe the NCAA is on a power trip and making arbitrary rules and rulings just for the hell of it. If you actually read the rulings i.e. Old Miss and USC, there are very compelling cases for why they ruled the way they did. The charter of the NCAA is to police college sports, the employees of said NCAA don’t get rich nor a cut of the revenue sports generates. The vast majority of the revenue goes back to the schools under some set formulas. The biggest issues the NCAA faces deal with outside factors like the “agents” at USC or past behavior of players. I applaud OSU for its stand in the Masoli case, after repeated “second chances” they finally said enough is enough. Sorry Confounded, because of this athletic ability he received more than a second chance, now it is time to take action to impose sanctions for repeated anti-social conduct. Anyone other than an athlete would be in jail. All you whining about the NCAA believe that except for their “petty” rules “my” school would have a winning season. My contention is that too many exceptions are made to “get winning players”. Colleges exist to educate, the Presidents, AD’s and Coaches should be collectively ashamed of the graduation rates of these players, most of whom will not become pros nor having achieved a degree. Its not the NCAA that is throwing players away, its the schools themselves.
MoMo
September 1st, 2010
7:34 pm
My contention is that too many exceptions are made to “get winning players”. Colleges exist to educate, the Presidents, AD’s and Coaches should be collectively ashamed of the graduation rates of these players, most of whom will not become pros nor having achieved a degree. Its not the NCAA that is throwing players away, its the schools themselves.
(A) You hit the nail on the head. What is the spirit of this rule? GRADUATION…which is what Masoli did. The spirit of this rule was in regard to fledging graduation rates. I am sure the thought was that someone who graduates would not find themselves in situations like this. That is what makes this so unique.
Others have taken the “spirit” of the rule (Kevein Kruger transferring from Arizona State after graduating to play hoops at UNLV for his dad Lon as a grad) to their benefit. The NCAA is stepping outside of the bounds of the rule because Masoli has graduated, and the rule (and loophole in it) clearly benefits him.
The fact the NCAA is attempting to determine “when” he decided to transfer and essentially draw a timeline is circumstantial in this ruling. It sucks because they are self governed as an organization.
How can you logically go back and forth between letter and spirit when serving discipline and policing institutions? You can’t, it’s not ethical and not consistent. That is the problem here….consistency.
On paper, Masoli meets the criteria just as everyone before him does. How could they deny Masoli but look at Kevin Kruger and approved his waiver to play for his dad in Vegas a few years ago?
The double standard is mind boggling.
John
September 1st, 2010
7:43 pm
NCAA is so full of ****hit….this is a racial bull******hit…..oh, so a blk dude can rape a girl while in college or kill while in college but they still able to play…….and here this poor islander guy takes someones lap-top and money after he beats them up can’t get a break…….take your rules and shove it up your a***ss. NCAA and all those who wanna crucify this kid for something not even close to raping is just beyond me. You morons are racial and need to be FIRED……Time to replace you RACIAL ass-hole…
Zach
September 1st, 2010
7:46 pm
I agree with you John…..One word, RACIAL…….I know a good lawyer.
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Tide Rising
September 1st, 2010
8:10 pm
“However, the kid got screwed by the NCAA. The NCAA is clearly not following their own guidelines here and they need to be held accountable.”
Therein lies the problem with the NCAA. They are accountable to no one and this is why this is a corrupt, politicized organization that routinely flouts its own rules and bylaws.
Can someone on here tell me what the hell good is a governing body if it can’t or won’t follow its own rules?
Jamie
September 1st, 2010
8:34 pm
Masoli didn’t transfer for acedemic reasons. The rule states (from my understanding) that an athlete can transfer and play if the U doesn’t offer his course study. Masoli had Heisman hopes in Eugene, he was dismissed from the team for his behavior and is trying to use the acedemic rule as a loophole. Had he not been dismissed he’d still be in Eugene and have no intention of transferring, therefore the NCAA did the right thing and did not act outside of it’s authority. I’m glad this sheister/thief/morally baron fool got called on his actions finally.
neil
September 1st, 2010
8:36 pm
I disagree, Masoli had every intention of playing for Oregon, he wasn’t looking for a school to transfer to since Oregon did not offer this major. He was attempting to manipulate the system and the NCAA saw through this.
Seth
September 1st, 2010
8:40 pm
Jack your dumb. The NCAA didn’t say you reap what you so. they said we can change our rules when we want if we don’t like you. what kind of precedent does that set?
Referee
September 1st, 2010
8:41 pm
Jamie and Neil,
First of all aint neither of you mindreaders. He transferred for academic reasons in the same way that Greg Paulus and about 5 other guys that took advantage of the rule transferred for. He was going for a masters. End of story. Jamie, not everyone can be the perfect person that you are and the fact of the matter is that his criminal history has no relevance to the debate at hand. Or maybe your dumbazz didn’t read that. Neil, there was no “manipulating” the system you dolt. The dude used the same exact rule that Greg Paulus and many other athletes used. Perhaps you also need to read the damn article.
Referee
September 1st, 2010
8:45 pm
There are some really dumb people on here like Jamie and Neil. They don’t have the intellectual capacity to separate Masoli’s criminal past and their personal dislike of the him from the issue at hand. The issue is did he fulfill the requirements per NCAA rules to be eligible to play and the answer is yes. The NCAA just decided to ignore its own rule and that is what this is about. Folk like Jamie and Neal. Dey jest be stoopid.
Wake up
September 1st, 2010
9:09 pm
The NCAA is a cartel that operates to further there bias agenda and financial gain. A new regulatory agency should be put in place that is privately run and puts the safety of the student/athelete first. I don’t care if your getting a degree in Fart whistling. A student/athelete is a just that one who is benefiting the unversity both financially and academically at the same time. To much money is involved to run the NCAA like a government entity that regulates lives and the pursuit of happiness. Go PRIVATE and let the lawyers DESOLVE the NCAA.