Can Bama’s Ingram win a second Heisman?

 Like DiMaggio’s 56-game hitting streak, with each year that goes by what Archie Griffin did in 1974-75 becomes a more impressive accomplishment. The Ohio State All-American remains the only player in history to win two Heisman Trophies.

There have been a numerous opportunities for repeat Heisman winners over the past 35 years:

**–If Herschel Walker had returned to Georgia for his senior season in 1983, you have to believe he would have won another Heisman.

**–Ditto for Barry Sanders, who won it in 1988 and turned pro early.

**–Oklahoma quarterback Jason White won it as a junior in 2003 but finished behind USC quarterback Matt Leinart and OU running back Adrian Peterson in 2004.

**–Leinart won it in 2004 as a junior when the Trojans won the BCS championship but in 2005 his teammate, Reggie Bush, took home the hardware. Then Bush passed up his senior year and turned pro.

**–We had back-to-back sophomores win in 2007 (Florida’s Tim Tebow) and 2008 (Oklahoma’s Sam Bradford) but neither could repeat. Alabama RB Mark Ingram became the third straight sophomore to win in 2009.

The point is that it’s hard to win back-to-back Heismans. Too many things have to fall into place. So in that vein I’m going to present my top five picks to win the 2010 Heisman Trophy:

1. Ryan Mallett, QB,  Arkansas: No player is more valuable to his team than Mallett is to Arkansas. If he does something special at Georgia on Sept. 18 and against Alabama in Fayetteville on Sept. 25 he could be in the hunt for the rest of the season. He should beat last season’s numbers (3,624, 30 TD) in his second year in Bobby Petrino’s system.

2. Terrelle Pryor, QB,  Ohio State: He gave us a glimpse of what he could be in the Rose Bowl against Oregon. He is good enough to lead the Buckeyes to an undefeated season and that will certainly put him in New York for the Heisman ceremonies. But let’s see what he does against an athletic Miami defense on Sept. 11. Does the coaching staff trust Pryor enough to turn him loose when it gets to be crunch time in the Big Ten race?

3. Mark Ingram,  RB, Alabama: He’ll get a lot of votes after winning it last season. But Ingram will not get as many carries (271 in 2009) in 2010 because of his talented backup, sophomore Trent Richardson, and the fact that Alabama plans to throw it a little more because they trust QB Greg McElroy and WR Julio Jones is finally healthy.

4. Christian Ponder, QB, Florida State: Ponder was playing as well as any quarterback in the country (68.8 percent passing, No. 3 in total offense 321.8 ypg) when he got hurt in the ninth game against Clemson last season. With a veteran offensive line (142 combined career starts) in front of him, Ponder could jump into the mix if he does something special when the Seminoles go to Oklahoma on Sept. 11.

 5. Ricky Dobbs, QB, Navy: Nobody from the service academies has won the award since Navy’s Roger Staubach in 1963. But this kid, a native of Douglasville, is special. Last season he rushed for 1,000 yards and passed for 1,000 yards. He scored 27 rushing touchdowns, which broke the NCAA record for quarterbacks set by  Tebow. And did I mention that he played the last six games on a broken kneecap? And did I mention that he is the Vice-President of the senior class at the academy? I just want this kid to get to the Heisman ceremonies in New York, which will be just a few hours after the Army-Navy game in Philadelphia on Dec. 11.

POSSIBLE BREAKTHROUGHS

Kellen Moore, QB, Boise State:  He’s 26-1 as a starting quarterback and will get a chance to make a statement on Sept. 6 against Virginia Tech. In two seasons he has thrown 64 touchdown passes and only 13 interceptions (39 TD, 3 INT last season).

Case Keenum, QB, Houston: Only the second quarterback in NCAA history with two seasons of 5,000 yards passing or more (Texas Tech’s Graham Harrell is the other). Could become Division I-A’s all-time leading passer with another big season.

Andy Dalton, QB, TCU: A long shot but he was the Mountain West offensive player of the year in 2009. Very underrated player. With 29 career wins, needs just one more to break Sammy Baugh’s record for most victories in school history.

Jacory Harris, QB, Miami: If Harris can cut down on his interceptions (17 last season)  and stays healthy he can be a really special player. Let’s see what he does at Ohio State on Sept. 11.

Noel Devine, RB, West Virginia: Now that C.J. Spiller of Clemson has gone to the NFL, Devine is the most explosive player in college football. He’s small (5-8, 180) but he has incredible speed.

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156 comments Add your comment

KidRay

August 26th, 2010
7:24 am

first. Go Rutgers

Adam

August 26th, 2010
7:24 am

I believe the qb you are talking about for OU is Jason White. Not Steve

#1

August 26th, 2010
7:24 am

yellowjacket1975

August 26th, 2010
7:26 am

Nesbitt should be on that list if Dobbs is.

SavannahDog

August 26th, 2010
7:45 am

A.J. Green and/or Arron Murray will be on the list by mid-October.

Lewis Grizzard

August 26th, 2010
7:46 am

Uhhh…. #1… you’re third. Typing FAIL !

Simple Simon

August 26th, 2010
7:49 am

Mark Richt should be at the top of the list. This list is BS.

Mikey in the SAV

August 26th, 2010
7:50 am

Keenum, but Houston is handicapped by not being in the spotlight often enough.

Still@theBAR

August 26th, 2010
7:52 am

Ingram didn’t win the Heisman last year! He was got a GIFT. Bama never had a Heisman winner and they were a real good team. The kid from Stanford was the best back last year and he ment more to his team.

Beast from the East

August 26th, 2010
7:52 am

I think it will come down to Kellen Moore at BSU or Case Keenum at Houston. Both will put up gawdy numbers against inferior opponents. Ingram has a chance to repeat, but most likely will not for all the reasons Tony mentions above.

#2 BAMA FAN

August 26th, 2010
7:55 am

Mark Ingram could win the heisman again but he would have to rush for 1800 yards and 20 touchdowns
or better. The problem is Trent Richardson is just as good as Ingram and will take carries away from
Mark Ingram. His heisman trophy speech was one of the best and it came from the heart and tears running down his cheeks I was crying to. RTR

GeezusDawg

August 26th, 2010
7:57 am

It’s a beauty contest anyway – no one cares.

5IML

August 26th, 2010
7:58 am

Modern voters will not allow a repeat. Plus, Ingram will have to split carries with Trent and Eddie.

Ponder and Pryor are at the top of my list. Both will put up big numbers against poor defenses. Each will only face a couple of good defenses all year. Ponder faces UNC and OU. Pryor faces Iowa.

Heisman Overrated

August 26th, 2010
8:03 am

Ingram wasn’t even the best player on his own team last year (McClain). And no defensive players are mentioned here either. Defense wins championships.

Douglas

August 26th, 2010
8:03 am

Walker should have won it as a Freshman over George Rogers. The reason he did not is because he had a bunch of old farts voting who believed that no matter how great you are you don’t give the Heisman to a freshman. What a bunch of idiots!

Help me understand something...

August 26th, 2010
8:04 am

If Ricky Dobbs is a legitamate Heisman candidate running an option offence and rushed for 1,000 yards and passed for 1,000+ yards why is it laughable to think that Joshua Nesbitt is a dark hors candidate for that award?! His numbers are very similar to Rick Dobbs.

SimpleDawg

August 26th, 2010
8:04 am

There will be no back-to-back Heismans for Ingram…..you stated the reasons.

There are way too many potential candidates to win the Trophy….and they can’t all under perform.

My watch list: Pryor, Ponder, Kellen, Keenum…..and maybe Mallet, if he doesn’t get hammered by riled up defenses tired of hearing about how great Arkansas’ offense will be.

Surest bet: the outstanding offensive player on the # 1 ranked undefeated team by the 3rd week of November.

And no, it will not be Nesbit.

SatchelBuzz

August 26th, 2010
8:20 am

savannah,…no they won’t.

THWG!!!

mando

August 26th, 2010
8:22 am

hey tony-looks like you need the season to get here; your clearly out of ideas for this daily.

Ormewood

August 26th, 2010
8:29 am

I like what Beast from the East said. Moore and Keenum will pile up stats against inferior opponents. If Moore shines in a win versus the Hokies, watch out. Sleeper for me is Dion Lewis from Pitt, who rushed for 1,800 yards as a freshman.

Charlie Bama

August 26th, 2010
8:29 am

Agree with you on most of your points, Saturday Master Tony. It will be hard for Mark Ingram to repeat, unless the stars align just right. Stars align = Bama competes for the BCS nat championship again; Ingram beats his numbers from last year (remotely possible); Mallet falls apart or gets hurt; Trent Richardson (Mark’s backup) turns out to be less spectacular than we all expect him to be; and everyone else –like Keenum– stinks. These stars will be hard to align, Tony. Mark Ingram can repeat, BUT it will be hard. At least his chances are better than Auburn ever (EVER) winning a national championship.

Sven Ottke

August 26th, 2010
8:34 am

Douglas, then Walker shouldn’t have won it in ‘83. Dickerson should have.

Sven Ottke

August 26th, 2010
8:34 am

Make that ‘82 to Dickerson.

bamaguy

August 26th, 2010
8:37 am

Let’s be honest, if it went to the “best athlete who means the most to his team”, Tim Tebow would have won three years in a row. It is the highest individual honor in college football, so they will always spread it around if there is more than one worthy candidate. Mark Ingram deserved to win last year, but so did everyone else sitting at the foot of that stage.

Canes

August 26th, 2010
8:39 am

Like Phil Steele, 2 people on my Heisman watch are:
AJ Green
Washaun Ealey

They’ll both put up big numbers, and if Georgia goes undefeated, 1 of these 2 guys will win it.

Hoss

August 26th, 2010
8:42 am

Odds of Ingram winning it, looking at history, practically impossible, like the odds of Alabama repeating as National Champions. Alabama’s going to go 9-3 like Saban did after LSU won their National Campionship with Saban, their defense is atrocious, they get 6 games in a row where teams are coming off 2 weeks to prepare, so 9-3, that will take all Alabama players out of the Heisman race.

What dawg?

August 26th, 2010
8:44 am

Charlotte bama obviously has an inferiority complex. That’s understandable. You might feel better about yourself if you just take that washing powder box off your empty head.

TommyJack

August 26th, 2010
8:48 am

Haven’t followed the Heisman since the Peyton Manning heist.

5IML

August 26th, 2010
8:50 am

Hoss,

How have you determined BAMA’s defense to be atrocious?

GeoffDawg

August 26th, 2010
8:52 am

Terrelle Pryor is getting a lot of hype based on one bowl game. How do we know that the real QB isn’t the one that struggled to play within that offense for most of the season? I think he’s tremendously talented but is probably in the wrong system for his skill sets.

Tokyo jacket

August 26th, 2010
8:53 am

I think Nesbitt ought to be on the list too. But, let’s not get carried away. Dobbs ran for 9 more TDs than Nesbitt did last year. He had a special season. I think Dobbs could get a mention this year. There’s a growing rumble among sports prognosticators that he should be included. I think that if Nesbitt becomes the first player in FBS history (and only the second in NCAA history) to get to 5,000 yds passing and 3,000 yds rushing, someone’s on crack if he doesn’t get a trip to NY.

GeoffDawg

August 26th, 2010
8:54 am

I think it’s also important to note the bias against underclassmen winning the Heisman in Herschel’s era. He certainly would’ve been a two time winner in the modern age.

little brother@a.p.i.

August 26th, 2010
8:55 am

What??!! No cam newton??!! How dare you T.B.,this guy is a shoe-in!!! Just GRAB your laptop and read the wah eggle bunker new’s!!! They know!!

5IML

August 26th, 2010
8:55 am

Geoff,

Regarding Pryor, he will only face one top-level defense (Iowa) and one good defense (Miami) all year. With the hype that’s surrounded him since high school, he will become a Heisman frontrunner.

dawgfan

August 26th, 2010
8:56 am

Back to back Heismans are rare because the media likes to have a different player to hype every single year for a fresh story. Although I can’t argue with some recent winners, the Heisman is a bogus media popularity contest. I’m convinced that the media could get the long snapper at Louisiana Tech invited to the Heisman ceremony if it tried hard enough. No lie.

I love college football as much as anyone but the Heisman is the most overrated award in all of sports.

And for the love of God Techies, shut the hell up about Josh Nesbitt winning the stupid Heisman. The guy couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn with one of his passes. It isn’t freaking happening. Good grief.

GeoffDawg

August 26th, 2010
8:56 am

Have to admit that UT’s been given the Heisman shaft on more than one occassion as well. Manning and Majors both were robbed.

Tide Rising

August 26th, 2010
8:57 am

No way Ingram wins it. Trent Richardson will take away too many carries, the offense is going to be much more explosive in terms of passing, and now there is a 3rd tailback who will get carries. Redshirt freshman Eddie Lacy outrushed both Ingram and Richardson in the last scrimmage and he will now get some carries. The dynamic duo just became the 3 headed monster.

The real favorites- Christian Ponder and Terrelle Pryor. Pryor is way overrated in my opinion but he has the hype machine and media bias in his favor. If Ponder picks up where he left off last season before his injury and FSU has a good season Ponder has a great shot. Otherwise Case Keenum and Kellen Moore would have to put up gigantic numbers to get some of the media hype that will otherwise got to Pryor more than anyone else.

AJ Green would be in there if he had an experienced qb like a Stafford or David Greeen but he has no chance with a freshman throwing the ball to him.

Tokyo jacket

August 26th, 2010
8:58 am

Oh, and no, Ingram can’t win it. He was a good player on the best team last year. Next year, Bama loses too much and Ingram shares carries. I like the Devine sleeper pick, but he’s no better than 5th.

Jake

August 26th, 2010
8:59 am

Defense will be keying and looking out for Mark this year. However, it’s his to win, he’s stronger and bigger this year. If Bama’s O-line can create some holes, look out.

jumbeauxtiger

August 26th, 2010
9:01 am

Unlike a year ago when you had Tebow, Bradford and McCoy touted as favorites, there is no clear-cut frontrunner in my mind.

I agree that Ingram’s chances are diminished since Richardson is simply too good not to play. That’s a nice problem to have. Both of those guys are great players, are older and will be even better than a year ago.

Tide Rising

August 26th, 2010
9:02 am

Hoss,

Alabama’s defense is “atrocious”. Uh, didn’t we finish #2 in the nation in total defense last year? And I’m not sure but I believe we were number 1 or 2 the year before also.

Exactly how did you arrive at the idea that our defense is atrocious with 3 players(all juniors) Marcel Dareus, Donta Hightower, and Mark Barron that are forecasted to be NFL 1st round draft picks next year?

Starring Kam Fong as Chin Ho

August 26th, 2010
9:03 am

No, he won’t win a second Heisman. He didn’t deserve the first one he got.

Tokyo jacket

August 26th, 2010
9:04 am

Dawgfan, I bet Nesbitt has a higher QB rating than your QB at the end of the year. Are you guys down to the waterboy yet at QB? Nesbitt finished last year with a QB rating of 148.7 good enough for 15th in the country last year. Joe Cox finished at 42nd.

Tide Rising

August 26th, 2010
9:06 am

Kam Fong,

You can make an argument that he didn’t deserve the first Heisman since the Heisman is nothing more than a media driven popularity contest. But you can also make that argument about a helluva lot of Heisman winners most notably Charles Woodson over Peyton Manning which was laughable..

BJohnDawg

August 26th, 2010
9:09 am

Ingram…Ingram…Ingram.
Sorry, until someone steps up , and the list you have have yet to impress, then he is the front runner by a mile.Mallet? they will probably end up 8-5 after a bowl. Ponder….uh no. If not Ingram, it will be someone not on that list.
Book it.

JB

August 26th, 2010
9:13 am

Bama almost lost to Auburn last year………Don’t give me that looking ahead crap…it’s their BIGGEST rival. Bama loses twice this year, probably wins the SEC, but won’t play for NC. Defense will be good, but not great. Harder to get those guys to win two in a row. Ask Florida. Same players back that year, not the same team.

cuttysark

August 26th, 2010
9:15 am

Although I believe their season will end early with a loss to Virginia Tech, if Boise State runs the table and goes to the National Championship Game, Kellen Moore will win the trophy as the leader of their Cinderella team. Other than that the race is wide open with Pryor at OSU probably the early favorite as he has a very good team and did look good in their Rose Bowl win over Oregon. Joshua Nesbitt of the Yellow Jackets will need an undefeated season to be in the discussion for the award. For more Georgia Tech Football articles go to http://isportsweb.com. Go Jackets!

Hoss

August 26th, 2010
9:15 am

The Alabama lost 13, 3 year players, and 9 guys are gone from last yesar’s. Experience matters, and this defense will stink. Alabama ranks 100 in experience in the NCAA.

Lowcountry Bulldawg

August 26th, 2010
9:16 am

Mallett at #1? Doesn’t the team have to also play pretty damn good football also? I think he may be a stat monster, but this isn’t Fantasy College Football (well when awarding the Heisman it sometimes is). He has road trips to UGA,Auburn and Carolina. He draws Bama and LSU at home. The only way he wins if the voters want to give another Andre Ware the Trophy.

Pryor has to be #1 on the list. This will be the year that he breaks out and elevates the Buckeye offense, as much as I hate to admit that.

From 11-3 to 14-0

August 26th, 2010
9:17 am

Christian Ponder ?
Jacory Harris ?

Not long ago,
Mr. College Football said Joshua Nesbitt was the best QB in the ACC.

JB

August 26th, 2010
9:17 am

I think Nesbit at Tech is a great QB ( for the system he’s in. put him in a balanced offense, he may not start) so Heisman, uh no.

dip

August 26th, 2010
9:19 am

Spiller was the best College Football player in the Nation last year – did more – meant more to his team. The Heisman isn’t for the best running back is it? Thought it was for the best player.

rduck

August 26th, 2010
9:20 am

This is why I hate the Heisman Trophy being called the award for the most outstanding college football player. 8 out of 10 on your list are QB’s.. Why not just make it for the best QBin the country or the best offensive back in the country. WR’S, linemen, and Defensive players have little to no shot at the award. The award is a joke and should be treated as such. And just like the BCS, if you are not high on the preseason list, you have little to no shot at winning it. Just get rid of the darn thing…

Who won?

August 26th, 2010
9:30 am

This year there will not be a stand out player in the top 15 so it will go to some obscure player with crazy stats who plays alot of Mac our Mountain conference. Doubt anyone in the top 15 will have a golden year. Most teams will struggle to win all their games and will not dominate in the big games. My answer is most likely none of the above.

Help me understand something

August 26th, 2010
9:32 am

I like Mark Ingram…heck of a running back. But C.J. Spiller was head and shoulders above and college player in the nation last year. I don’t care which team you root for, if didn’t recognize that then you’re blind. I can’t even remember if he was invited to NY for the ceremony.

Tide Rising

August 26th, 2010
9:32 am

Hoss,

Out of the supposed 9 new starters 5 are guys that have started multiple games in their career and were in the regular playing rotation last year. The hero of the Texas game Dareus is projected as the #3 nfl draft pick by one espn analyst Todd McShay and the the #7 pick by the other Mel Kiper. And he wasn’t even a starter last year. What does that tell you?

In terms of experience you simply don’t know what you’re talking about. Every starter on the defense except for true sophomore Dre Kirkpatrick at corner are all 3rd year guys or 4th year jrs or seniors. Dre is the single underclassmen starting on the defense.

Tide Rising

August 26th, 2010
9:36 am

Help me understand something,

Nope. CJ wasn’t even invited. I would agree that he was an expolosive, dynamic player that should have been invited. But to call everyone else blind just because they don’t agree with your particular point of view seems a little arrogant. I guess everyone that thought Ingram or Gerhart of Stanford was the best back are all blind. Come to think of it you must be the only seeing man left in America.

5IML

August 26th, 2010
9:40 am

Hoss,

Please forward the the link to the site that lists Alabama as #100 in experience. I’d like to read their criteria for experience. Is it starts? Is it plays? There will be, at most, three brand new players starting for BAMA’s defense this year.

TWT

August 26th, 2010
9:44 am

Nesbit hands down

JB

August 26th, 2010
9:45 am

One of the biggest problems Bama will have this year( all big time programs do to a degree), but with these last two big time recruiting classes Bama has had, the talent level has separated some of these guys and the Saban “promises” will not be panning out for some of these 4 and 5 star studs with lot’s of high school press clippings. These ARE 17-18 year old kids, and Saban has sold them on being a star and champion at Bama. Been long enough to have some pooched out bottom lips on that side line, Just say’n.

nmk

August 26th, 2010
9:45 am

all that talent” in athens and no mention. overrated coachses starting with “never been out of georgia” bobo

JMac12203

August 26th, 2010
9:47 am

As much as I like Nesbitt, and admire what he has accomplished, Ricky Dobbs is head and shoulders better. If he was Tech’s QB this season, I don’t think anyone would be able to beat the Jackets.

#1 BAMA FAN

August 26th, 2010
9:48 am

The BAMA defense is predicated on athletes, coaching and scheme. They will be good to start the season and great by the end. The offense will be better and will make up the difference early. Experience doesn’t matter just look at some defenses that were not that good last year, chances are they won’t be good this year. I can’t wait to see some of the young talented players. RTR

Christian Dior Dogg

August 26th, 2010
9:52 am

Tony, you are truly a “special” writer! But please try to learn a few new words, mkay?

The General Feeling

August 26th, 2010
9:52 am

Sure (he can win it). He won it last year without being the best college football player. Let’s face it, the Heisman Trophy has become the Miss America pagent of college football. It’s a feel good bleeding heart story wrapped in New Jersey Housewive’s made for TV production.

The Stanford kid should have won last year but he was too white bread hard working multi-accomplished student athlete.

JB

August 26th, 2010
9:54 am

I’m a Dawg fan, but I will say this. Muschamp, Kirby Smart, Mullen and Strong from Florida, have all be pursued or rumor milled to death about being hired away, and some have.
Mike Bobo, At UGA, tutored under a pretty well respected coach and offensive mind and QB developer in Richt………………….Crickets every year………….That ought to tell us something.
Garner is the only guy pursued every year, and that’s for mostly his “recruiting” connections in Georgia……………..I like Mike, but he’ll never get us to the NC game. He’s too scripted based on Field position, down and yardage.

Tide Rising

August 26th, 2010
9:58 am

JB,

Where on earth does that comment come from about Saban’s “promises” ro recruits? You should learn something before you post out of woeful ignorance.

Donta Hightower was one of the most sought after lb recruits in the country coming out of high school. When asked in an interview why he committed to Saban his reply was and I paraphrase “He was the only one that was real with me. He never guaranteed me playing time and told me I would have to come in and earn a position. Everyone else was telling me I could start as a freshman and I wasn’t sure I believed them”.

As a matter of fact JB if you read the comments of several Bama recruits they all by and large say the same thing- that Saban promises early playing time to no one in the recruting process and that they have to earn it. Just because you want to assume he promises them the world doesn’t make it so.

Sounds me to me like you’re just resentful over the fact that Saban had to back to back no. 1 ranked recruiting classes followed up by the no. 4 class this year.

You’re just assuming that its cause he’s telling every recruit they’re gonna be a star. The reality according to the various recruits own words is quite different. You would be better off not posting on subjects you know not a da#n thing about.

Ted M

August 26th, 2010
10:00 am

Anthony Allen will be the surprise candidate who comes close.

JB

August 26th, 2010
10:01 am

You are right Tide….He tells them, ” I promise you nothing, just come to Bama”……….You really think that ? These guys are being sought by EVERY program in the country. You really, really think that? We’ll just have to disagree. I don’t.

Pot Meet Kettle

August 26th, 2010
10:02 am

“You should learn something before you post out of woeful ignorance.”

From the poster who said Bobby Bowden was kicked off the Alabama team.

JB

August 26th, 2010
10:04 am

They are successful………..and pretty defensive over there.

Tomsjeep88

August 26th, 2010
10:05 am

SEC bias. Last year the rhetoric at season’s end was “let’s see what the short list of candidates in this wide-open Heisman race can do in their respective conference championship games.” CJ Spiller goes for 300 yards and 4 touchdowns in the ACCCG and doesn’t even get an invite to NYC. All Tebow does after a mediocre season is get his butt kicked for 3 hours in Atlanta and boo-hoo his way to the locker room, but he gets the invite? Please.

Expect more of the same this season. Just like the reserved BCS Ttile shot for the SEC champ regardless of ranking or record, the Heisman will go to the best skill player on the highest ranked SEC team.

Tide Rising

August 26th, 2010
10:07 am

JB,

So what you’re acknowledging is that its just your opinion based on zero facts. Just wanted to clear that up.

I guess the same thing must happen at UF, Texas, and anywhere else where they’ve had successful recruiting classes.

Come to think of it I guess that since UGA used to have consistent top 5 recruiting classes that you’re acknowledging that Richt used to make all kinds of “promises” to players telling them what stars they are gonna be and how they’re going to play immediately. Right?

Tide Rising

August 26th, 2010
10:10 am

Pot meet Kettle,

There’s a difference in making a mistake based upon something that is written in a book and someone making blanket assumptions based on what he just wants to think happens. If you can’t tell the difference then I can’t help you. And if you got something to say use your real handle rather than hiding behind some new generic handle.

17 of 20

August 26th, 2010
10:11 am

Ingram wins it again.

Hoss

August 26th, 2010
10:11 am

Alabama’s in trouble, just too little experience.

Compare them to Georgia:
Bama: 4 Senior starters
Georgia: 7 Senior starters

Bama: 35% of defensive tackles productivity total return
Georgia: 50% of players of defensive tackles productivity total return

Bama: O-Line games started 46
Georgia: O-Line games started 155

Bama: Ranks 100 in total experience
Georgia: Ranks 39 in total experience

gtgirl

August 26th, 2010
10:11 am

1st of all I love Mark Ingram and the Tide, but I believe the original intent of the award was the player who made the biggest impact on their team (i.e. Joshua Nesbitt, Joe Hamilton, Ricky Dobbs), not lets pick the best player from the best team. Might as well use the AP poll…& pick the best athlete from the Top 5 teams…it will not go to a player on a so-so/non-great team (so I’m X’ing Mallett, Ponder & Dobbs) no matter how great he is!
My List: 1) Julio Jones 2) Terrelle Pryor 3) Mark Ingram 4)Kellen Moore 5)Defensive throw in (even though we know they’re not going to award it to a defensive player

titletownusa1

August 26th, 2010
10:12 am

Greg Reid…..FSU

azcat225

August 26th, 2010
10:13 am

Terrelle Pryor: Million dollar legs, ten dollar arm, ten cent head. Unfortunately, by the halfway point of the season, ESPN will have pushed him to the forefront of most of the voters’ minds.

Go Blue

August 26th, 2010
10:13 am

Tide Rising,
Typical stubborn redneck, get a life.

Tide Rising

August 26th, 2010
10:14 am

Hoss,

In 2009 Bama had to replace 8 new starters on offense. How did that work out?

gtgirl

August 26th, 2010
10:14 am

I believe that Saban really doesn’t promise them playing time (even the best of the best)…but most athletes believe that they will in-fact start…& the appeal of Alabama is more than they can resist…don’t hate!

Yeah

August 26th, 2010
10:15 am

The fact Hershel Walker got stuffed by Penn State in the Sugar Bowl tells me he probably didn’t deserve the one he got. Why am I not surprised Tony listed him on his possible 2nd Heisman list?

The Heisman is garbage anyway. Doesn’t matter if you’re the best player…if your team sucks, you’re not getting anything.

Tide Rising

August 26th, 2010
10:15 am

Go Blue,

Is that all you got? Good luck against Ohio State. You’re gonna need it.

JB

August 26th, 2010
10:15 am

didn’t say any of that, but recruiting is a little deeper than ” hey, I’m Coach Saban and isn’t our campus pretty. If I’m the number 1 or 2 rated LB in the Country, And Bama has 7 letterman coming back at that That position, and Florida has 2, UGA 3 and Auburn 0, and the guy signs with Bama, Sometimes you have wonder. I know you guys think he doesn’t need spray in the bathroom ( except when he was at LSU), But I hear different. Do I know, no, BUT, you don’t either. You hope, and think, but YOU DON’T KNOW !

Hoss

August 26th, 2010
10:21 am

P.S. Florida ranks #111 in total exprience, lost 65% of offensive firepower, 50% of defensive tackles, and O-Line has 50% less game starts of experience as Georgia.

ncaa expert

August 26th, 2010
10:21 am

Whoever the UGA QB is, should be the winner. UGA is going to be undefeated this year and win the SEC and National Championship. Everyone knows they are the best team in the NCAA. I don’t even see any teams scoring against them.

gtgirl

August 26th, 2010
10:23 am

But the big question on everyone’s mind is who will the yearly let’s bow down and worship Herschel be dedicated to???

Past due

August 26th, 2010
10:25 am

Ingram’s win last year was a travesty if you look at the body of his work, which culminated in the regular seaon against Auburn where Auburn’s patchword D held Ingram to 30 yards.

gtgirl

August 26th, 2010
10:25 am

Great Coaching + a Great Game Day QB helps new O-Line starters exceed expectations = Bama ‘09

JB

August 26th, 2010
10:28 am

And Tide….. I can appreciate you passion for your team…..You guys had your problems and your are back on top of the football world. We all rooted for ya’ll in the NC game. Yes, we would all like to be where you are. But college football ( major) is a serious, complicated, backstabbing, big money business, and when everybody see’s Bama loading up these back to back classes, saying that Saban works harder, or cares more, or our Academics are better, or whatever, it raises questions. It may all be fine. Hope it is. Show a little respect on here. It ain’t been that long since ya’ll lived on the other side of the tracks. Hell, we even took advantage of you the last 3 of 4 meetings.

bigdawg

August 26th, 2010
10:31 am

AJ Green for Heisman….

Joshua Nesbitt for the Reggie Ball award…

gtgirl

August 26th, 2010
10:33 am

I always thought UGA should retire the #1 jersey in Reggie Ball’s honor

JB

August 26th, 2010
10:34 am

I heard Reggie was teaching 3rd grade math in Cobb County.

bigdawg

August 26th, 2010
10:34 am

if Mark Ingram wins the Heisman again I would be shocked.

players just dont have back to back seasons like that anymore, particularly at the RB position.

Even Tebow couldnt accomplish two Heisman’s.

I would consider Trent Richardson more than Ingram.

my favorite for the award is probably Kellen Moore

gtgirl

August 26th, 2010
10:35 am

I wouldn’t exactly call the ‘07 UGA/Bama game taking advantage of…win in OT…great game…heartbreaker at the end…

bigdawg

August 26th, 2010
10:35 am

@JB

I heard he also cleans the school toilets after school to pick up extra cash

Tide Rising

August 26th, 2010
10:36 am

JB,

All I’m saying is that if you don’t know you shouldn’t be making sweeping statements and assumptions about someone else’s program just because they’re racking it up in recruiting.

Florida had the same recruiting bonanza coming off its 08 national title- all the positive publicity and momentum carried over and they landed a monster 09 class.But you won’t hear us Bama fans saying its all because Urban is making all kinds of promises to recruits.

Kb

August 26th, 2010
10:36 am

Tokyo Jacket,

You think Nesbitt will have 2500 yards passing this year?

JB

August 26th, 2010
10:36 am

Agreed Tide……..good luck this year.

gtgirl

August 26th, 2010
10:37 am

but only if Boise goes undefeated & I think VT will take care of that on Labor Day…Trent Richardson is awesome & could be a heisman contender perhaps next year

help, I live in Ga

August 26th, 2010
10:38 am

You know the Heisman voting is as flawed as the BCS Mythical Championship. It’s all a beauty pageant–or should I say a media pageant.
If we had an 8 game playoff and then voted for the best player after that, I could respect it more. Part of the problem is that the votes are in before the last game for most teams and that can be the most impportant game.

It would be interesting if Mallot won it though. Although I’d hate to see Petrino gain a recruiting edge because of it.

RxDawg

August 26th, 2010
10:41 am

The Heisman trophy is overrated. It’s a subjective award to what is usually the best player on the highest ranked team, or at least top 5 team.

But if I had to guess, Pryor will probably win it if OSU ends up in the big game.

bigdawg

August 26th, 2010
10:42 am

what Tokyo Jacket failed to mention also Kb is that if Nesbitt would throw more than 3 passes a game lie a QUARTERBACK does his passer rating would be no higher than that of say a Jonathan Crompton or a Joe Cox.

lets see Nesbitt’s passer rating when he cant just throw it within 50 yards of Thomas and watch what happens.

Tide Rising

August 26th, 2010
10:43 am

“Show a little respect on here. It ain’t been that long since ya’ll lived on the other side of the tracks. Hell, we even took advantage of you the last 3 of 4 meetings.”

JB,

Since you make a point that you “took advantage of us in 3 of the last 4 meetings” I’ll apologize for taking advantage of UGA in 4 of the past 7 meetings and holding a 36-25 lead in the series.

As for showing a little respect. One lesson you need to learn before you can teach it, is that respect is earned, not just given. Your lack of courtesy and respect with your comments towards Bama on here garners you none.

bigdawg

August 26th, 2010
10:47 am

Ive watched the bandwagon in the SEC sway for a long time. it seems like its been with every team in the conference at some point.

2000-04 it was with Tennessee,
Then it went to LSU,
Then Florida,
preseason 08 it was UGA,
Then Florida again,
now its with Bama

sooooooo. whos next in line is what im left to wonder.
who will the typers and trolls choose to ally with next…

JB

August 26th, 2010
10:48 am

And the Bama folks on here really show UGA respect on here day in day out.?

how2fish

August 26th, 2010
10:54 am

Tokyo Jacket,there is only one reason Nesbit won’t win the Heisman…everyone hates Tech.

bank walker

August 26th, 2010
10:58 am

I concur with General Feeling totally. Toby Gerhart got snubbed, when he should have won it. Ingram was a feel good, and should have been 2nd or third. The Heistman has become a joke, and is meaningless.

bigdawg

August 26th, 2010
11:00 am

the Heisman is great for fans but it really has no meaning

when a fan’s favorite player doesnt win they resort to saying “its a joke” “its just a popularity contest”

Tide Rising

August 26th, 2010
11:00 am

JB,

Be honest about it. Every day the topic can have nothing to do with Bama and you or someone will start off with a little jab or an insult at Bama for no reason.

Now are there some bama fans that flame the dawgs? Of course. But more often than not its started by a dawg fan. Matter of fact if you just read the dawg blog with Bill King(I read it but rarely comment since its a dog blog) you can’t help but notice that the topic is obviously Georgia football but somehow or another a couple of dawg fans got to start in with comments about Bama when Bama has nothing to do with the topic. Most instate bama fans don’t even care about georgia. We’re not even big rivals.

Anyway, I don’t like bashing the dogs or anyone else’s program for that matter. Ya just managed to get me in a dander this morning with the anti Saban comments.

bigdawg

August 26th, 2010
11:02 am

we need more people like Tide Rising

Tide Rising

August 26th, 2010
11:06 am

JB,

I’m out dude. Got to go over and flame the dawgs on Bill King’s Junkyard blog. Just kidding of course. We’ll talk football again. In the meantime good luck to the dawgs and on Murray’s development which will be key to a 10 win season.

#1 BAMA FAN

August 26th, 2010
11:07 am

Hoss….you do not want to play us. JB…it’s convenient to only go back four years, see above sentance to Hoss.RTR

how2fish

August 26th, 2010
11:10 am

Tide Rising I think a few on here take a shot at you or Bama simply because of Tide Roll he is your fan base’s 12-2 here…there are a few trollers that I can’t help but bash on you sir are not one of them. Good Luck this year..I hope we have a boatload of discussions during the season..man can we just go ahead and start already !

Tide Rising

August 26th, 2010
11:24 am

how2fish,

Good Lord. Tide Roll is complete moron. I dread that he would be the standard by which Bama fans would be judged. I read the dog blog since I follow both the local schools and just like to see what’s going on with the different teams. Tide Roll must have a mental problem or something. He posts the same exact crazy drivel every single day-annoys the hell outta even me to no end. I’ll never understand how or why this guy would care who UGA recruits for their O-line. Just nutty. Anyway, I gotta get some work done. Talk some football later.

David Granger

August 26th, 2010
11:24 am

Don’t think Ingram will get that second Heisman. For one thing, a lot of voters will figure that…since he’s already got one…it’d be fairer to vote for someone else. The only way Ingram has a chance is for Alabama to play their way to the NC game again, and Ingram to have a HUGE year. (1,800 yards or better…which will be hard to do unless Trent Richardson gets hurt.) The only two-time winner was on a national championship team when he won his second one, and the REAL winner that year (Ricky Bell) was on a team having a down year. (Yes, I know Bell only finished fourth…but he was still the best that year.) Plus, the voters were swayed to vote for Griffin that season because of the “novelty” factor…there had never BEEN a two-time winner, and it was about time for one.
Tebow had a strange career, Heisman-wise. He was a big factor in two national championships, and led his team to another season where the only loss they suffered was to the national champion…yet the only Heisman he won was in the year his team had their worst record.

Gatorzone

August 26th, 2010
11:31 am

Bama, might have the best team EVER. If they go undefeated, they definitely will.

HugoStiglitz

August 26th, 2010
11:35 am

I think he was pretty lucky to win it last year. He was basically the best offensive player on the best team, therefore he got a Heisman for it. I think it will be a QB this year. More then likely Pryor, possibly Jacory Harris. Those are my best guesses. Hopefully some people step up this year though. Last years Heisman race was pretty dull.

Jake Locker

August 26th, 2010
11:54 am

Hey folks, what about me?

Ormewood

August 26th, 2010
11:59 am

Pryor had a good bowl game, but he was lousy last year as often as he was good. He’s not consistent enough to be Heisman-worthy in my book, though if his team is in the top five all year, he has a shot.

athensdawg

August 26th, 2010
12:08 pm

We should rename the heisman the NISSAN or the WENDY.

Its not what it used to be, folks……..like just about everything else in sports, it is just another commercial.

Mybe So

August 26th, 2010
12:12 pm

Easy Answer to the headline: NO

south eastern chumps

August 26th, 2010
1:46 pm

NESBITT FOR HEISMAN, IGNORE HIM ALL YOU WANT, YOUR GOOD AT THAT TONY, BUT IT ISN’T GOING AWAY

John Heisman

August 26th, 2010
1:47 pm

This whole thing is becoming an unspeakable human tragedy.

CalGatorBrotha

August 26th, 2010
2:06 pm

this is probably going to be the worst year of the heisman…..no Ingram wont repeat for the simple fact he will share more carries with Richardson this year…..there are plenty of good players but no one stands out as a clear cut favorite in this thing. What could happen is that we end up seeing a winner by default with the voters canceling out top choices

DawginLex

August 26th, 2010
2:13 pm

I will give you my darkhorse list:

Ealey-UGA
Cobb-UK
Locke-Uk
Masoli-UM
Nesbitt-GT

cantondawg

August 26th, 2010
2:26 pm

There’s one main reason why Mark Ingram will not win the award this year. The reason is Trent Richardson. He will get a ton of carries this year and i honestly think that he’s a better back than Ingram. No way will Ingram get enough carries to win the Heisman again

Habersham Dawg

August 26th, 2010
2:32 pm

Tech fans, if Nesbitt puts up a killer year and Tech is in the consideration for the mythical NC at the end of the year, he’ll be in consideration for the Heisman. For an ACC school not out of Florida, that’s what you have to do to win it. It’s not that fair, but that’s the way it is.

bamafan

August 26th, 2010
2:44 pm

Here’s hoping that Ryan Mallet wins the Jevan Snead award. UGA fans – you are putting a lot of eggs in your offensive line basket. Hope it works out okay – it did for BAMA in 2009 when we replaced 8 starters on offense. Ingram was as deserving as any other Heisman winner (when one considers how it is awarded) and more deserving than some (Anybody remember John Huarte who won it when Joe Namath was a senior or Gino Torretta who won it before Bama exposed him as a fraud in the 1992 title game??) Most Bama fans were uneasy about Ingram’s chances last year -
We view football as a team sport and will take our 13 (now – but only 12 when Ingram won) national titles any day over all the other schools Heisman trophies combined). I saw Ingram’s win as a possible jinx to Bama’s play in the game against Texas but it turned out alright. Bama fans want another National Title – we aren’t concerned with another Heisman – Hell, I hope we get to 26 national titles before we have another Heisman winner!

Andy Griffith

August 26th, 2010
2:52 pm

Ingram didn’t deserve the first one. He should have been about 6th-7th on the list. He’s just a tad above average!

5IML

August 26th, 2010
2:56 pm

Sure, Andy. I need to move back from the computer and go check on Otis.

5IML

August 26th, 2010
3:05 pm

I’m back. Otis is fine.

Why do you feel that Ingram did not deserve the Heisman, Andy?

KR

August 26th, 2010
3:32 pm

Auburn’s “patchwork defense” did not hold Ingram to 30 yards. One guy did. (I apologize, but his name escapes me right now…) His assignment the entire game was to be Ingram’s shadow and bring him down every chance he could. I don’t think Auburn’s defender followed Ingram to the Bama locker room, but he probably thought about it.

Unfortunately for Ingram, this is why he probably won’t repeat as Heisman winner. Other teams will have learned they can employ the “shadow” defense and stop him. The problem then becomes stopping Richardson at the same time. And then there’s Bama’s new guy…

Personally, I think Pryor will take an early lead in the polls based solely on the ESPN hype machine.

bamafan

August 26th, 2010
3:58 pm

I watched the replay of the Alabama Auburn game the other night and KR is correct. It was one guy and Bama didn’t block him once and he didn’t miss a single tackle. The “new guy” at BAMA is Eddie Lacy, I think.

Tide Rising

August 26th, 2010
4:01 pm

KR,

I believe it was Josh Bynes that shadowed Ingram the whole game. Did a good job obviously.

Tide Rising

August 26th, 2010
4:07 pm

KR,

Another good observation by KR on Pryor. I agree that he takes the early lead in the Heisman race because of media bias. Several posters have noted and its true that basically the Heisman winner almost always is either the best guy on the best team or the best guy on a top 5 team. Basically just a popularity contest based on media hype. I’m glad for Ingram last year but frankly I don’t give a hoot about the Heisman. Just one of many individual awards and is basically just a media and popularity contest. I lost faith in it when Peyton Manning lost to Charles Woodson. What a joke that was.

NESBITT ............ for ......... HEISMAN

August 26th, 2010
4:11 pm

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…… After all is said and done.
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———————————
NESBITT FOR HEISMAN
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5IML

August 26th, 2010
4:14 pm

The Heisman is awarded to “the most outstanding player in college football.” That’s the only guideline. Each voter decides what that means for him/her. As most voters (and fans) don’t watch every college game, highlights (i.e. ESPN) play a big part in shaping the perception of who is most outstanding.

I’m happy that Ingram won but I’d trade the Heisman for another NC any day. (Of course, I can say that since it’s not my Heisman.)

Einstein

August 26th, 2010
4:15 pm

No! And Christian Ponder being on the list is like Bryan Evans being named All American.

Scott

August 26th, 2010
4:22 pm

Pryor and the suckeyes are the biggest do nothing posers in college football. They play in a JOKE of a conference. Boise State is three times the program that OSU is! Pryor has NO shot of winning anything, hell I wouldnt surprised is Michigan comes out of their coma and beats em this year.

Toby Gerhart

August 26th, 2010
4:42 pm

I was robbed

Archie Griffin

August 26th, 2010
4:45 pm

No he won’t. He couldn’t carry my jockstrap

Homer Simpon

August 26th, 2010
4:48 pm

Barnharts a bigger homer than me

jarvis

August 26th, 2010
4:58 pm

Does the Heisman even matter anymore?
Look at the list of bums that have taken home that trophy in the last 20 years.

Chris Weinke, Andre Ware, Gino Toretta, Troy Smith, Eric Crouch, Matt Leinert, Jason White…..

QB’s now win the overwhelming majority of the time, and they don’t deserve it very often.

I for one was glad to see an RB win it last year. Take a look at the 70’s and 80’s. The RB’s are almost all legends. The fascination with the QB’s has to stop before I’ll give this award any creedence again.

thunderbull56

August 26th, 2010
5:43 pm

No ! ‘Bama’s good but not unbeatable.Too many outstanding young atheletes for repeaters nowadays.

Auburn Man

August 26th, 2010
5:44 pm

To me this is the second part of a two part question. The first would be can Bama win another title because for Ingram to win a second Heisman it pretty much will require it to be a Bama title year as well. Had he not won last year or had he won without a Bama title then I would think maybe he could win it without a title year for his team. I think Alabama is the best team in the country today but repeating a title is as we all know is daunting to say the least. Throw in dings, major and minor injuries and it’s quite the gauntlet to see two titles in as many years. As an Auburn man I hate to give them so much credit but I can’t deny their success nor Ingrams talent. I like Ingram, he seems to be a good person in his heart and comes from a good family. To me he fits in with other greats like Bo Jackson and Herschel Walker that make all SEC fans proud to pull for the best conference in the land. Good luck to Ingram… I’ll pull for him until November 26th, all bets are off on that day.

WAR EAGLE!

CBrad

August 26th, 2010
7:23 pm

Just don’t understand the “man crush” so many have on Mallett? Heisman trophy winners are on teams that win championships. Championships in Arkansas are as extinct! Arkansas has no running game, no offensive line to protect Mallett, no defense to get him the ball and no receivers for him to throw to. Even if Mallett is a decent QB how are we going to find out?

ECB

August 26th, 2010
8:27 pm

With everybody talking about Alabama’s lack of experience and Georgia’s ton of experience, I am reminded of the story of the coach who said “the good news is all of my players are back this year. The bad news is all my players are back this year”. Speaking of on team in particular, maybe when you’re 8-5, it’s not necessarily a good thing that all your players are back.

crabapplejoe

August 26th, 2010
8:35 pm

Ingram shouldn’t have won it last year…Toby Gerhart was the better RB and meant more to his team. The only reason Ingram won is was because his father was in jail (feel good story) and ESPN hyping Nebraska’s Suh in the last few weeks which split the Western vote between Gerhart, McCoy and Suh. When was the last time anyone can remember a defensive tackle being hyped for the Heisman? What a joke. It will come down to Christian Ponder and Jake Locker (who Barnhart didn’t even put on the list…what an SEC homer…LOL)

Ramblin

August 26th, 2010
9:24 pm

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Joshua Nesbitt will open some eyes this season.
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Rob

August 26th, 2010
10:11 pm

Pryor will get a lot of hype from ESPN if he gets off to a good start. He will be hard to beat.

It will be difficult for Ingram to repeat. I’m a Georgia fan, but Bama will have a very balanced offense with production spread to several players. It will be hard for any one player to generate the type of numbers needed to win the Heisman. Ingram was a deserving winner a year ago, but he did benefit from Tebow and McCoy splitting the quarterback vote.

For Mallet to have a chance, Arkansas would have to upset Bama and somehow win the West. I just don’t see that happening.

Green is a great player, but receivers only have a chance if they also put up big numbers on kick returns and if there is no standout qb or rb. Not saying that’s fair, just the way it is.

If you want a darkhorse candidate, I could see the Houston or Boise State quarterback becoming a media darling. I don’t think you can judge how good they really are because the opposition will be so weak. (Remember the Hawaii qb who put up huge numbers all season and then got crushed by the UGA defense.) However, the media loves this type of story.

KR

August 26th, 2010
11:08 pm

Tide Rising: yes, you are correct (Josh Bynes). The older I get the more the details escape me. It’s pretty bad when the guys you knew in college (Bo Jackson, Charles Barkley) are talked about in the “good ol’ days”…

Personally, I gave up on the Heisman after Peyton Manning lost. At that point I realized that there were lots of players that probably should have won the Heisman rather than the person who actually did.

Miles

August 27th, 2010
12:12 am

Griffin never deserved the second Heisman…rather than being “impressive” as you put it Mr. Barnhart, it was downright disappointing…

Tebow deserved the Heisman his junior year…Bradford, after having been beaten by Tebow and the Gators, looked silly in the BCS National Championship that year…

I suspect this year’s Heisman will come down to Ingram and Pryor…interestingly, If Tressel does not let Pryor “loose,” he’ll have no chance at the Heisman…

Ramma Bama

August 27th, 2010
5:40 pm

With bama’s huge, physical o-line, Ingram should rack up the big yards and easily win the heisman again, along with title #14 for the tide!!!!!

ugg

August 31st, 2010
11:05 pm

I feel you are too good to write Genius!Thanks for posting, chi flat irons maybe we can see more on this.