SEC, ACC are deepest. But who has best conference?

We just completed our next-to-last weekend before the season starts. So what did we learn?

1.  SEC, ACC are the deepest conferences: We can argue all day about who has the best conference in college football. Is it the SEC with six teams in the Top 25 and two in the Top 10? Or is it the Big 12 with three teams in the Top 10 but with nobody else ranked? There is no winner in that argument.

What I like to do is use the polls (in this case the AP poll) to break down the conferences by depth. How many teams were ranked plus how many teams actually got votes?

SEC (8): Six ranked (Alabama, Florida, Arkansas, LSU, Auburn, Georgia). Two more got votes (South Carolina, Ole Miss.)

ACC (7): Five ranked (Virginia Tech, Miami, Georgia Tech, UNC, FSU). Two more got votes (Clemson, BC).

Big 12 (7): Three ranked (Texas, OU, Nebraska). Four more got votes (Missouri, Texas Tech, Texas A&M), Oklahoma State).

Pac-10 (6): Three ranked (Oregon, USC, Oregon State). Three more got votes (Stanford, Arizona, Washington).

Big Ten (4): Four ranked (Ohio State, Wisconsin, Iowa, Penn State). No others got votes.

Big East (4): Two ranked (Pittsburgh, West Virginia). Two others go votes (Cincinnati, Connecticut).

2. Tennessee really had no choice on UNC game: Tennessee athletics director Mike Hamilton is getting hammered by his fans for trying to buy out a two-game series with North Carolina in 2011 and 2012 and replacing the Tar Heels with Buffalo. It’s easy to understand why the fans are mad. Such a decision makes it look like the Vols are ducking North Carolina (which they are) and it gives opponents, like Steve Spurrier, a free shot (which he gleefully took).

But when your program is down–and Tennessee’s is way down thanks to 14 months under the Boy Wonder–you have to make some tough, unpopular decisions. You can pretend that nothing is wrong and still keep the same schedule. Or you can swallow your pride and modify the non-conference schedule in the short term to give Derek Dooley a chance to rebuild the program.

And let’s face it. Hamilton is fighting for his professional life as well. He needs for Dooley to have some success sooner rather than later. It was a tough decision but the right decision. And the right decisions are not always popular.

3. The WAC is in trouble as a Division I football conference: I spoke to WAC Commissioner Karl Benson on Thursday. He is not having a good summer. Back in June Boise State, the flagship football program of the WAC, announced it was headed to the Mountain West Conference in 2011. On Thursday the Mountain West took two more of Benson’s schools, Fresno State and Nevada. And this was right after he met with the presidents of the league, who all agreed to the idea that each school must pay $5 million penalty to leave the conference. Then the MWC picked up the phone when BYU threatened to leave. Nevada and Fresno will pay the $5 million. They want to go in 2011. Benson will fight to keep them until 2012.

Bottom line: The WAC had better hope that Boise State has another magical run this season. Because its long-term future as a football conference at this level does not look good.

Just asking: If you’re WAC member Louisiana Tech, shouldn’t you be on the phone begging to get into Conference USA or the Sun Belt?

4. I hope Scott Stricklin has an extra $130,000 in the bank: Stricklin is Mississippi State’s new athletics director and back in the spring helped forge a compromise that will allow Bulldog fans to bring their beloved cowbells to home games in Starkville. But there is one stipulation: Fans cannot ring the bells at inappropriate times like, for example, when the visiting team is trying to run a play. Strickland and his staff have launched an education program hoping to get their fans to buy in and follow the rules of when to ring–and more importantly–when not to ring.

If they don’t, the conference rules that apply to artificial or electronically generated sound kick in: The first violation is a $5,000 fine. The second is $25,000. Every violation after that costs a cool $50,000.

Four SEC home games in Starkville. You do the math. Stricklin will probably have to write a check or have $130,000 deducted from Mississippi State’s revenue check next spring. Fans can’t help it. That is why they are fans. And that’s why we love them.

5. The NCAA Clearinghouse is broken: I understand that the NCAA Academic Clearinghouse is understaffed and overworked. I also understand that these situations are always more complicated than they appear. But there is something fundamentally wrong about a freshman who has gone through training camp being told in mid-to-late August that he is not academically eligible to play. Such was the case late last week when Alfy Hill, an Alabama signee from Shallotte, N.C., was suddenly declared ineligible.  The Clearinghouse ruled that a couple of online courses Hill took would not be counted towards his eligibility. So suddenly the kid is ripped out of Tuscaloosa and will apparently enroll at East Carolina instead. He’ll have to sit out this year and cannot be on scholarship.

Maybe these online courses raised a red flag. Maybe they should raise a red flag. Maybe this is part of  what seems to be a larger NCAA crackdown on just about everything from agents to living quarters. Whatever. Either the kid is eligible or he’s not. But he shouldn’t find out this late in the game.

Is it any wonder that kids take stuff from agents and others? They know the system is stacked against them. If the school signs too many players, they can get their scholarship yanked two weeks before class begins. Sorry kid. It’s a numbers game.

And what if the Clearinghouse drags its feet or is too understaffed to process the cases in a timely fashion? That’s just too bad for you, young man. Now you have to pack up and go home. I guess it’s tough being you right now.

Bottom line: All Clearinghouse cases involving football players must be resolved by August 1. No exceptions. Hire the staff. Other than rules enforcement and conducting championships, what does the NCAA do that is more important than this?

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440 comments Add your comment

Ash

August 23rd, 2010
8:01 am

I know almost nothing about the NCAA Clearinghouse, but I’m always skeptical when someone says a organization is “broken” when it makes a ONE mistake out of thousands of cases it handles in a year. Honestly, if the AJC only made one mistake a DAY I’d drop dead of shock.

Ash

August 23rd, 2010
8:02 am

I’d also drop dead of shock if I made less than one mistake per comment.

Grantland Rice

August 23rd, 2010
8:04 am

Not sure I agree with you about UT buying out of the UNC series. Replacing them with Buffalo? Another huge embarrassment for the Vols.

Purple Drank

August 23rd, 2010
8:05 am

Four consecutive BCS National Championships. Shut up GT fan…just shut it.

que

August 23rd, 2010
8:06 am

It is too easy to say the whole NCAA should be replaced but that is the case.

T-Bone

August 23rd, 2010
8:10 am

TommyJack

August 23rd, 2010
8:12 am

Good, frank, and unbiased comments on UT/Hamilton. Better days ahead. But not this year. GBO.

Spike

August 23rd, 2010
8:14 am

UT dropping UNC to play Buffalo? That is a joke, right? Come on Big Orange!! HAHAHAHAHAHAH.

TommyJack

August 23rd, 2010
8:19 am

No Spike, no joke. What IS A JOKE, is Bama scheduling Georgia STATE. That’s chilling.

Kool Breeze

August 23rd, 2010
8:20 am

Big 12 will play big in 2010–OU, Texas, Nebraska, Miss, T A&M, one of those teams will be in the Nationla Championship (OU or Nebraska).

Thanks to Georgia, the SEC will be represented this season, because Alabama & Florida will both struggle and go 9-3. LSU, Auburn, & SC will all go 8-5. Georgia however, will fly, and go undefeated in 2010 and win the National Championship. Arkansas will have a big year and win the SEC West, hands down. Georgia will win the SEC East.

G Time

August 23rd, 2010
8:23 am

Derek Dooley’s 17-20 as a head coach. He’ll be fired soon, regardless of who’s on his schedule, the guy just can’t coach.

Football Fan

August 23rd, 2010
8:24 am

1. The SEC East has really dropped off in the last couple of years.
The ACC Coastal has really risen up in the last couple of years.
2. “Tennessee really had no choice” ??? Yes they did. They could honor their commitment and their contract. For 2011 and 2012 whenever anyone tallys up wins and losses of SEC vs. ACC another win should go in the ACC column.
3. The WAC is history.
4. Miss State should be fined. What part of “artificially generated sound” do they not understand?
5. Maybe the kid should have done is work in the classroom and he wouldn’t have had to take any of the bogus online courses.

Beast from the East

August 23rd, 2010
8:26 am

Tony,
1….You’re really trying to stir it up with the conference argument today, aren’t you? Let the games begin, but play nice Dawgs and Techies!
2….As far as UT, I still say they are getting what they deserve. You lie down with dogs and you wake up with fleas. They hired that dirt-bag, Kiffen and are paying the price. How is Hamilton still employed?3….Looks like the WAC is about to get whacked.
4….I hate those %$#* cowbells. They’ll just pay the fine and move on. Do you really think they’ll refrain from using them when the other team has the ball? NOT!
5….Not sure how many of these things go that late into the process but it certainly has to be a major disappointment to the kids that it happens to. One would think there has to be a better way.

Thinking Georgia

August 23rd, 2010
8:27 am

OK, NCAA Clearinghouse, can we just have 1 article where Tony doesn’t tout Alabama and Saban as a victim or victor? Come on, Alabama’s no victim, lots of other school face similar challenges. Saban’s overrated,

Tony should do an article on Saban’s weak Bowl record, his surprisingly low overall winning percentage, Saban’s feeble record against top 25 teams, or why Saban’s moved around 13 times in 36 years.

Saban’s not a victim, come on.

Try again

August 23rd, 2010
8:28 am

Hey bonehead tony. preseason polls mean nothing. why are you even writing this garbage. half the teams ranked in them won’t be at the end of the season. you really are a lousy journalist. and i laughed so hard while watching your little special on cbs saturday when you shockingly picked uga to be a surprise team. man are you one homer idiot.

I am not going to be the head coach at Alabama. I am the head coach of the Miami Dolphins.

August 23rd, 2010
8:30 am

I get the reasoning behind UT dropping UNC, but come on!!! It’s UNC, not Ohio State, or Texas. Regardless, I would be highly upset if I were a Vol, which thankfully, I am not. As far as the UT AD fighting for his job, he should be. He is the one that hired the 14 month moron. As far as Derek, I think he was a great hire for UT.

Best conference, hands down the SEC. No discussion.

The ACC has several ranked teams, but blow it big time when facing out of conference games. They really need wins from UNC vs LSU and VT vs BS.

Every SEC, ACC, Big 10, Big 12 fan needs to get behind VaTech when they play Boise State. If VT whips them, BS and other 2nd tier conference schools will go away for a couple of years. Just like BS did when UGA beat the badly several years ago.

Go dawgs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Beast from the East

August 23rd, 2010
8:32 am

I have to say that I am amazed at the number of UGA fans that are TOTALLY consumed with all things Saban. What gives? They’re not a traditional rival, not on the schedule this year and have absolutely nothing to do with UGA in general. What is with the obsession? Does anyone have a logical explanation for this?

Rip Cord

August 23rd, 2010
8:32 am

Tenn deserves everything they get for hiring LK and giving up on Fulmer. You play too close to the fire, you gonna get burned.

Big Al

August 23rd, 2010
8:33 am

UT how the mighty have fallen—scared, say your scared.

3rdn8

August 23rd, 2010
8:34 am

putting the Alfy Hill case into a bit of perspective…..the NCAA decision hung on two online courses that Hill took as a tenth grader. He took those courses in lieu of a P.E. course becuase he was nursing a broken hand. The NCAA deemed those courses as acedemic irrelevant.

I’m not sure what courses he took online. But judging by my own experience, virtually anything would be as acedemically relevant as P.E.

Also….I think there should be some middle ground in a case like this, that is down to splitting hairs.

Instead of declaring him either elgible, or inelgible, place him on a semester of probation and require an extra course to be taken.

DawginLex

August 23rd, 2010
8:36 am

Spurrier took a shot at UT?
Hasn’t he learned his lesson by now?

Looking at a washed up coach living off of his glory days.
Looking at a smartalec who doesn’t know when to shutup.

Looking at a coach who is 1-4 versus the rival he hates the most.

He plays mind games with his QB and is looking at starting a true freshman behind an offensive line that is truly offensive.

He needs to take his own advice and realize that when you are a 6-6 coach you don’t really need to be saying much.

Alphare

August 23rd, 2010
8:36 am

Well, it seems to me Hamilton realized Dooley is no Kiffin.

I don’t think Vols would drop NC if Kiffin is still the coach.

3rdn8

August 23rd, 2010
8:36 am

this post would be more effective if I could spell academic.

Mark

August 23rd, 2010
8:38 am

You mean tenn wimped out against a middle acc team? I thought the acc was a joke according to the dog fans on here. Oh wait. I guess they are wrong! Now it all makes sense. The reason they try and mock the acc. Cause they are jealous and know it’s going to come back. The acc will appear in the NC game 3 times this decade, winning 2 of them. It goes in cycles. The sec won’t be in the game for a few years.

Joey

August 23rd, 2010
8:39 am

Saban probably would have let him go anyway, because he never has enough scholarships for his recruits. He and Houstin Nutt are the worst offenders of this practice in the SEC.

3rdn8

August 23rd, 2010
8:40 am

the puzzling part of the UT story is….how is Hamilton still on the payroll?

The guy has almost destroyed one of the most tradition rich programs in CFB.

I’m a Bama fan, and love to see my team win in October. But I hate to see a great rival like UT spiraling down the big bowl.

13 Bama Championships

August 23rd, 2010
8:42 am

@ TommyJack: When six SEC schools decide to take the week off before they play Bama, then Bama can have one easy game before they play the War Buzzards.

@ Thinking Georgia: How is Saban overrated? Two National Championships with two different schools. How many does Mark Richt have? Coach Richt is a great person, but he’s only a good coach. I think the fact that he discarded two-a-day practices for one-a-day practices shows what a nice guy he is. Did he take the Dawgs to Chucky Cheese for their nightly meal?

Boz

August 23rd, 2010
8:44 am

1) If Mike Hamilton wants to know who’s responsible for all his problems, all he has to do is look in the mirror. The re-scheduling decision is being made with no concern for the long-term effect on UT, but as a means of relieving pressure on Mr Hamilton. Which is exactly how he got himself in this position to begin with.
2) Sometimes things don’t go our way. And when they don’t, we all have to decide whether to gut it out or chicken out. We know which choice the University of Tennessee prefers. General Neyland must be spinning in his grave.

lojak777

August 23rd, 2010
8:47 am

TONY, and everyone else regarding Tennessee’s schedule change…What was NOT mentioned in the article is that Tennessee still has Oregon and Cincinnatti on the out of conference schedule. That is pretty stiff and probably tougher than some of you who are bashing. This part of the story always gets left out—and it’s an important part of the story.

Wow

August 23rd, 2010
8:48 am

Wow Tony. Why don’t you just determine which conferences are deepest based on the popularity of their mascots? Using the AP poll? Really? Didn’t some quack give Boise State a number one vote in that poll? Not to mention the media’s love affair with everything SEC. Instead, why don’t you wait until October and use the BCS poll to determine which of these conferences are the deepest?

Fred

August 23rd, 2010
8:49 am

Thinking Georgia,

I think you have Saban envy…thats funny stuff about the coach who’s won 2 national championships in the last 9 years plus set one up for a bafoon. Anyway I think you are tyring to convince yourself since no one with any brains is buying.

Have a good day

JQDogUNC

August 23rd, 2010
8:50 am

UT = SCARED. So much for all that $EC bravado. The sleeping giant, as Bobby Bowden called us, is waking up. The vol$ saw it and backed out. See you L$U tiggers September 4th.

GO HEELS! BEAT L$U! COASTAL DIVISION CHAMPS IN ‘10!

Sarai

August 23rd, 2010
8:51 am

Attention, everyone, especially dawgtards. We will now observe a moment of silence in memory of Saint Jan Kemp, who exposed the shameful practices at UGA that were initiated and carried out by slimeball Vince Dooley. Dooley’s image as a coach and a nice guy were forever shattered during the trial, not to mention the one million dollars that dawgtards had to pay Saint Jan. These practices of recruiting morons and coddling them for four years, them tossing them out like garbage, are still going on, but at least the world knows what’s going on now.

And now, the moment of silence…
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Thank you, you may resume your normal activities now.

And for dawgtards, your local unemployment office is now open, so get on down there.

UNC needs game, any VOLUNTEERS?

August 23rd, 2010
8:51 am

Beast, there is no logical explanation to what you posed. Neither is there a logical explanation to Tide Roll and a significant number of Gators obsessed with UGA, which I submit is much larger than UGA fans talking about Saban.

Gator Mike

August 23rd, 2010
8:52 am

Sad to say it, but I am very disappointed with UT’s position in trying to avoid UNC who is not a national power at this time. If UT does drop UNC, the entire SEC will be embarrassed, and that is not what the loyal VOL fans want to hear about their school. Hamilton is the problem at UT, and the UT President can begin rectifying the problem by getting rid of Hamilton. Fulmer was let go way too soon, and I need not get into the kiffie situation. The current fiasco in Knoxville reminds me of the Johnny Majors – Bill Battle “goat rope”. Battle was a very good coach, but UT wanted Majors because of his success at PITTSBURG. Of course, Majors allegedly did increase the stock value for Jack Daniels.
Hopefully, common sense will prevail in Knoxville for the good of UT and the SEC. UT was recently a respected national power vice a pundit for national jokes – very sad.

Go Gators!

Easy Bama fans

August 23rd, 2010
8:54 am

Before any Bama fans start throwing stones at Tennessee, care to explain why Bama ran scared in 2003 when it postponed its games with Penn State? The two teams were supposed to play in 2004 and 2005. How convenient that NOW they decide to step up and play.

Rick S

August 23rd, 2010
8:55 am

I could better understand Tennessee buying out North Carolina and replacing with Buffalo if it mattered but it’s only one game and the negative press Tennessee is receivng from this move will do greater harm than good for UT and the SEC. Just my opinion.

RxDawg

August 23rd, 2010
8:57 am

Seriously?

Look, here is a comparison. Everyone has Alabama ranked #1 this year. It’s because they won the national championship last year. Well imagine what a team would be ranked if it won the national championship the last 4 years in a row? This isn’t even a question reall…

After the SEC, it’s a mix of who knows. I know who it probaby isn’t, and that is the Big East and ACC. Probably the Pac 10 too. The Big 12 has a couple of really good teams, but a lot of filler. I’d have to give the 2nd place nod to the Big 10, but it will most certainly be a #2 once Nebraska joins the frey.

I am not going to be the head coach at Alabama. I am the head coach of the Miami Dolphins.

August 23rd, 2010
8:58 am

Beast from the East —- you are referring to what??

sunny purdue

August 23rd, 2010
8:59 am

“It was a tough decision but the right decision. And the right decisions are not always popular.” What does this mean? Can you please explain why buying a couple of W’s is the right decision? Do W’s over Buffalo make Hamilton and Dooley look like geniuses? Will this decision save their jobs? Will the athletic board sing their praises? Will the fans be ecstatic over the Buffalo win? Will they move up in the polls? Will players flock to Knoxville in order to go up against a lesser opponent? Will the stadium sell out when the Buffalo Bulls play? Will the AJC send an extra reporter to cover the game. Please explain why this is the right move and stop with the shallow analysis.

3rdn8

August 23rd, 2010
9:00 am

sleeping giant….makes for a good argument. IF FSU, and Miami return to their forms of old, the ACC can make a claim as the best conference. So far, that’s still an “IF”.

I believe that these things are cyclical. IF Nebraska keeps improving (and I think they will), the Big 10 will be a much stronger conference.

Somehow out of this writhing, slithering mass, a National Champion will emerge. Go figure.

Dog Power

August 23rd, 2010
9:00 am

Attention everyone. We will now observe a moment of silence in memory of those great Dogs, academic, civic, and athletic, who have gone on, which built UGA into one of the Top 20 Public Universities, a university which elicited rave reviews in Parade Magazines college rankings, and who helped make Athens the premier college town in the nation.

In your moment of silence remember those coaches who have passed on, that built a model athletic program with 132 SEC titles and national championships in 8 sports, the envy of many.

And now the moment of silence.

Thank you. Dogs make resume making the world a better place.

3rdn8

August 23rd, 2010
9:02 am

back to UT for a moment.

UT is having trouble with ticket sales. In some countries a delegation would visit the AD and leave him with one pistol, and one bullet.

Paul in RDU

August 23rd, 2010
9:03 am

Nice column this morning Tony.
It’s really tough for a kid to lose his scholarship at such a late time, but being late on issues sems to be typical for the NCAA. They took forever to rule on Reggie Bush / USC and I fully expect that they won’t have made a ruling on Marvin Austin and Greg Little before the LSU-UNC game. Without a ruling, Davis is going to sit them out (Austin is practicing with the 2nd team).

I think you had the conferences in the correct order – but who knows what will happen on the season. The ACC needs to win most of their big OOC games but I just don’t see it happening against Boise State and theOSU.

Beast from the East

August 23rd, 2010
9:05 am

Try looking at your handle before you ask that question, “I am not going to be the head coach at Alabma”. Also, “Thinking Georgia”. Not to mention the NUMEROUS posts over the weekend on Tony’s blog and Schultz’s blog. It’s insane!

Dawg House

August 23rd, 2010
9:05 am

Duke, Wake Forrest, Boston College, Maryland, Georgia Tech…. Don’t EVER try and convince yourself the ACC is competetive acorss the board.

Fast Eddie

August 23rd, 2010
9:07 am

Kool Breeze @ 8:20: You should change your name to Kool Aid because you obviously have been drinking it or something else to make you hallucinate!

Jim

August 23rd, 2010
9:08 am

How about discussing something more important. Like How stupid it would be to build an int 3 connecting sav and knox. Yeah about 25 people per day make that drive. If you did anything build a int connecting 85 with knox. That’s it.

Will2be

August 23rd, 2010
9:08 am

I thought UT athletics were about making money qne I just don’t get the Buffalo fiasco. I mean both UNC games would be sellouts with national media attention and I don’t understand the logic at all. UT has had a really bad off season this year and there are reports that Simms looks really crappy as the new qb.

I am not going to be the head coach at Alabama. I am the head coach of the Miami Dolphins.

August 23rd, 2010
9:09 am

Beast from the East —lighten up, smile a little.

BJohnDawg

August 23rd, 2010
9:10 am

Why is conference strength even up for debate. The last 4 national champions have come from the SEC. #1…Settled. #2…got to be Big 12….after that…who cares, they are all about the same.

NCAA clearinghouse broken. The NCAA is broken. Run by a bunch of good ole boys, with only one interest….protect the money train. Damn the players and screw the fans, they will pay no matter what. That is probably written in the NCAA’s mission statement.

VOLS….cannot blame them. They play Florida,Georgia,South Carolina, Alabama every year. So what if they try to soften the schedule some. Dooley is inheriting a mess. A Kiffin poop pile under the carpet at Neyland stadium. He should have a fighting chance.

Go Dawgs…should be a fun year of football!

RT

August 23rd, 2010
9:12 am

The SEC is better. The first example will be provided in two weeks at the Georgia Dome.

VOLinATL

August 23rd, 2010
9:13 am

I understand the reasons for the Vols ducking UNC, but it still sends a terrible message to the players. Play the game, maybe take a licking, and be proud. Besides, UNC will not be very good next year!

richtfan

August 23rd, 2010
9:13 am

i don’t think it’s even close when deciding whose conference is the best and strongest. the SEC is by far the superior conference. when is the last time the ACC winner won the bcs title? who consistently has more players drafted? SEC
who has more hall of fame stud coaches? SEC
conference dominance is not even debatable. the sec is the toughest and strongest conference hands down.

dagnabit

August 23rd, 2010
9:14 am

East Beast: Alabama committed the unpardonable sin of winning the national football championship.

4th down

August 23rd, 2010
9:16 am

The once great University of Tennessee is now nothing but a complete embarrassment to the SEC. I mean, it’s one thing to duck a powerhouse, but UNC? UNC? How good to you have to be to compete with one of the most historically MEDIOCRE teams in college football? Is their all-time winning percentage even at .500? The Vols are a complete joke.

Beast from the East

August 23rd, 2010
9:18 am

I am not going to be the head coach at Alabama,
I am smiling. I just cannot understand the obsession. Not trying to throw stones, but it really make no sense whatsoever.

destin dawg

August 23rd, 2010
9:19 am

SEC in FB top to bottom… ACC is BB not FB !!! Go Dawgs !! Parade mag.. this week… UGA #3 in large public Universities.. “Great education + Social scene + sports atmonsphere”.. got it all !!!!

destin dawg

August 23rd, 2010
9:20 am

Atmosphere.. too much coffee..

south eastern chumps

August 23rd, 2010
9:20 am

dogbreaths, funny when putting down the ACC you fail to mention FSU, VT, CLEMSON, MIAMI, UNC, GT..yeah your conference is so powerful NOT…let’s see TN and KY who beat you dogbreaths lost to VT snd Clemson. But God forbid any of you play anyone in the ACC just run your mouths. I mean, Clemson right up the road and you haven’t thought about playing them in what 10 years or more? And dogbreaths cannot even play LSU or Bama but think the country is going to be impressed with who? Miss St, Vanderbilt and the rest of those clowns.

lojak777

August 23rd, 2010
9:22 am

At 8:47 I posted a comment that every one of you morons chose to ignore. Why go with facts instead of just bashing huh??

Florida plays Florida Atlantic and Furman out of conference, Georgia plays Louisville and Coastal Carolina out of conference. Tennessee still plays Oregon on the road and Cincinnatti. Dropping one UNC game still leaves the Vols with quite a tought out of conference schedule. STFU

I am not going to be the head coach at Alabama. I am the head coach of the Miami Dolphins.

August 23rd, 2010
9:23 am

VOLinATL —Couldn’t agree more, on backing out on UNC. Even as a Dawg fan, it is kinda tough seeing UT fall so far. Still can’t believe they hired Kiffin. Derek will be digging out of this mess for years. It will be a long year for UT, but Derek will turn things around.

RxDawg

August 23rd, 2010
9:23 am

2. Tony, I disagree. This makes UT look yellow, period. I’m ashamed an SEC team would act like this, all in the name of wins. UT fans have a right to be upset, and if I was a Vol I would be demanding change.

3. “WAC is in trouble” Eh, maybe. Maybe not. College football hasn’t exactly rested it’s shoulders on the success of the WAC. In other words, it’s irrelevant on the national scale. There are lot’s of teams that are also irrelevant on the national scale. I’m not trying to be rude, but let’s face it how many people on this blog care about what’s going on at La Tech? What I’m getting it as there is a place for a lot of teams in the country for a off the radar team. For every school leaving the WAC, there is another that would love to be a part of it.

4. This is a load of bull. Miss St fans don’t want to follow the rules in the name of “tradition”. Ha! Tradition my rear end. There should be NO ARTIFICIAL NOISE MAKERS. The end.

5. “Either the kid is eligible or he’s not. But he shouldn’t find out this late in the game.”
Well that’s a no brainer. It’s not like the NCAA isn’t short on money either. They should have the proper staff for something important like this. I really don’t know enough about the process to make too much about it. I understand the NCAA is mostly to blame here. But should Alabama have some of this blame too? Also, what is the difference between playing at Alabama vs. East Carolina? Besides one is ranked.

CrackDaddy

August 23rd, 2010
9:25 am

Maybe the Tn-UNC thing has to do w/recruiting. Tn has been pretty successful in the past in recruiting western NC, which has put out some very good players. If UNC were to wax them, I’m sure that would put slam the door on Tn coming into NC. Regardless of what the UNC haters are saying on this blog, UNC recruiting is top-10 as we blog.

WondreDawg

August 23rd, 2010
9:28 am

I think anybody dismissing UT this season is full of crap! There was enough talent there last season to embarrass us, and play UF and AL toe-to-toe. UT will be at least as good as last year, and will probably play better against less talented teams under Dooley.

Under Kiffin, UT was spectacular one week, clueless the next. I think we will see a steadier team week to week this season with Dooley. I wish him luck this season. . . .except for one Saturday. The SEC needs a strong UT, as well as a strong UGA, to keep from being labeled a two or three team conference.

Red

August 23rd, 2010
9:28 am

With tough out of conference opponents like Georgia State and Georgia Southern, its clear that the SEC is the top conference.

The fans in Tuscaloosa are soling their diapers worrying about the Panthers coming this November.

I am not going to be the head coach at Alabama. I am the head coach of the Miami Dolphins.

August 23rd, 2010
9:29 am

lojak777 — I don’t think anyone questioned the strength on UT scheduling. Being in the SEC East, and playing Bama every year, UT has a hard row to hoe every year. Adding Oregon and Cinci certainly didn’t help.

Nonetheless, is going from a 4 to 5 win or 5 win to a 6 win season worth cancelling a mediocre UNC team? As I said, if UNC had been Ohio St, Texas, OK, USC I might could have agreed.

cuttysark

August 23rd, 2010
9:29 am

Untill another conference wins the BCS Championship, the SEC will be the leading conference. The ACC is very competitive from top to bottom, and will need to win some OOC games early in the season to start making some serious noise on the college football landscape. The Yellow Jackets will have a difficult schedule heading into November, but they have another opportunity to play for the ACC Championship if they can knock of the Hokies in Blacksburg who should be rated in the top 5. For more Georgia Tech Football articles go to http://isportsweb.com. Go Jackets!

roughrider

August 23rd, 2010
9:30 am

“But who has best conference ? ”

The one that wins the National Championship every year. The SEC.

SOOHSO

August 23rd, 2010
9:32 am

UT stabbed Fulmer in the back. What goes around comes around!

RxDawg

August 23rd, 2010
9:35 am

“UNC needs game, any VOLUNTEERS? ”

Second best blogging name I’ve seen this year.

Beast from the East

August 23rd, 2010
9:36 am

RxDawg,
I have to agree. That is a great name!

3rdn8

August 23rd, 2010
9:38 am

Red

I have trouble with the Bama v Ga State game — I wish mismatches like this were never scheduled.

Bill Curry and Mal Moore (Bama’s AD) go way back. This game creates a great opportunity for Curry and the Ga State program, as well as some jingle in the pockets.

long time sec fan

August 23rd, 2010
9:40 am

drop dead Ash–y ou made two mistakes in your post—
it’s “AN organization” not A organ. it’s also “FEWER than one–not LESS than one

Fast Eddie

August 23rd, 2010
9:40 am

Enter your comments here

bruce mac

August 23rd, 2010
9:40 am

lojak777, you are looking at the wrong year. UT does not have Oregon on the schedule in 2011. They now have Montana, Middle Tn State, and Buffalo. Everyone does play a couple of easy win teams but the Vols play 3 non BCS teams and Cincinatti. Weaker than even the Gators or Bama.

#2 BAMA FAN

August 23rd, 2010
9:42 am

UT needs to fire the AD Mike Hamilton ASAP!!!! Bama lost a good player thanks to the NCAA Clearinghouse, want a freaking JOKE!! The kid is going to play for Easy Carolina over Alabama
thanks to the KGB who are worst the IRS or KGB (KGB) being a bama fan anyway the kid goes
from playing for NC’s to the conference USA that is like playing for the NY Yankees and being
traded to the Pirates!!

HugoStiglitz

August 23rd, 2010
9:44 am

Its hard to say which conference is the best because its preseason and alot of those highly ranked teams may not even be ranked by the end of the season. The SEC has been the best the past few years and could possibly be again but its pretty hard to say right now. One thing that is certain is that no matter how well the SEC conference performs, there is no way that SEC fans will ever acknowledge that another conference might even be close to them.

I am not going to be the head coach at Alabama. I am the head coach of the Miami Dolphins.

August 23rd, 2010
9:45 am

bruce mac — thanks for the research. This makes UTs decision even more shameful.

boots

August 23rd, 2010
9:47 am

I would hope the reader base is smart enough to not jump in to the whole “which conference is better” crap. It seems to me that the AJC is putting out little content lately on college football and just opts for headlines that stoke everyone up to start the same ‘ol debates over and over again. The smaller papers do such a better job of covering the programs, but the AJC just throws out stupid headlines and reports only on the police blotters. Lame. Meanwhile they throw out some red meat like a conference debate and expect the fans to entertain themselves. This is not good journalism. Sorry, Tony, but it isn’t.

gdawginkalamazoo

August 23rd, 2010
9:53 am

IMO I think the ACC will be the most exciting conference to watch this year. They won’t win the NC but there should be some good competitive games.

UT should just bite the bullet and play UNC. At least it won’t look as bad as losing to a mid level MAC team like Buffalo. Plus you make money which NCAA football is all about. I think it hurts the program more to duck an opponent. Also they might even win the damn games. Really Dooley will lose his job if he loses to UNC? What happens if he loses to Buffalo?

RxDawg

August 23rd, 2010
9:55 am

lojak, I don’t care if UT had the New Orleans Saints on the schedule. You man up, you don’t run away. That’s what sports is all about. You have an obstacle, and you overcome it. You don’t pay that obstacle to move over for a much smaller obstacle. It sends the wrong message, and it’s motivated by greed. Not to mention that I agree with the guy that isn’t going to coach at Bama. What does this really do for UT? Bad bad bad move by Hamilton. I’m ashamed to share a conference with UT right now.

Tomsjeep88

August 23rd, 2010
9:57 am

Haven’t seen or read an official excuse for UT buying out of UNC. At least Tuberville & Auburn had a reason to get out of national champ FSU’s way in ‘99, what with an angry Bowden, and Bobby Lowder not wanting a 40-point beatdown to start the tenure of his new coach.

Tony are you an idiot?

August 23rd, 2010
9:59 am

Get real Tony; we are only one season removed where 2 teams that did not win the SEC East (UGA and SC) beat the 2 ACC contenders in the ACC Championship game. If either team were in the SEC they would give Vandy hope.

RxDawg

August 23rd, 2010
10:01 am

I’m going to repeat this question in hopes that someone can actually answer it. If this kid is not academically eligible to play at Alabama, why is he eligible to play at East Carolina?

kimmer

August 23rd, 2010
10:02 am

I got a fever! And the only prescription is MORE COWBELL!!!!

Tony are you an idiot?

August 23rd, 2010
10:03 am

He is not eligible at either this year Rx. If he wanted to pay his way to Bama he could this year but East Carolina might be closer to where he is from.

What?

August 23rd, 2010
10:03 am

Which conference is best? Is this question still being asked? Come on…

And I disagree completely about Hamilton having no choice.

producewiz

August 23rd, 2010
10:03 am

suprised by the Vol decision.can’t believe in the great football power from N.C. also, NCAA does make mistakes, and the kids suffer,but what’s the answer? NCAA has been sued and lost more cases then any organization I know, and they pass it on to member schools. get Spurrier’s honest take on them. Pretty funny.

SEC, Lies and Videotape

August 23rd, 2010
10:05 am

Just when I thought Tony had reached the lowest level of credibility,
he goes and sets a “a new low.”

Its laughable that Tony thinks the NCAA Clearinghouse is the problem.

First, the NCAA as an institution is a JOKE. For example, the NCAA knew 5 yearas ago about Reggie Bush’s “issues.” And yet, only now, 5 years later, has the NCAA done anything about it.

The NCAA delibereatly turns a blind eye and a deaf ear
towards ANYTHNG that would jeopardize their CASH-FLOW.

The very fact that he NCAA allows all of CURRENT
bullsh** in the system to continue is a testament to the
NCAA as a FAILED institution. It will be replaced. Count on it.

I’ll offer a recap of what Tony said, and few thoughts to clarify.

Tony said: “But there is something fundamentally wrong about a freshman who has gone through training camp being told in mid-to-late August that he is not academically eligible to play.”

Tony doesnt bother to add that sometimes , Sophomores, Juniors , and Seniors dont qualify academically either. This kid had serious academic issue LONG before Fall camp. The fine folks at Bama thought they could get him eligible with “joke” on-line courses. Did Bama bother to contact the NCAA to MAKE SURE the courses were legit? Nope.

How can Bama offer a scholarship to a kid who was OBVIOUSLY not academicall qualified AT THE TIME BAMMA OFFERED the scholarship?
Kind of duplicitous on the the part of Bama, dont you think?

Tony adds: “So suddenly the kid is ripped out of Tuscaloosa and will apparently enroll at East Carolina instead. He’ll have to sit out this year and cannot be on scholarship.”

Bama wanted this kid to play, and thought they could get by with these bogus courses. Bama had nothing to lose with this gamble, the kid had his eiligibility and his scholarship on the line. Bama won. The kid lost.

But as Tony so glibbly responds to anything
logical & ethical…”Whatever.”

What’s REALLY going on here is using scholarship offers as a “try-out” system. This is the REAL ISSUE Tony doesnt wont to go near.

For decades, SEC teams have NOTORIOUSLY over-recruited ON PURPOSE and then used the Summer evalauations and Fall practices as a tryout system to “weed out” the below-par players. Kids that dont make the cut, end up losing their eigibility to play that year, and have to transfer out, just like thiskid in question.

What Tony also wont admit is that the SEC has been THE SINGLE WORST conference in this regard.

Folks, Bear Bryant PIONEERED this “system.” This “system” was made famous in the movie “The Junction Boys.” It was all about Bear Bryant’s Summer “tryout system” at Texas A&M.

Bryant used this exact same tryout system at Bama during his entire coaching career. The rest of the SEC chose to simply follow the exact same method.

This was the VERY SOURCE of the historic fall out between GT’s Bobby Dodd and Bear Bryant. Dodd was outraged by Bryant’s MASSIVE
over-recruitment and tryout system. Dood considered it immoral and unethical. Bryant simply saw it as “Business as Usual.” So did the entire SEC.

Tony also wrote: “Is it any wonder that kids take stuff from agents and others? They know the system is stacked against them. If the school signs too many players, they can get their scholarship yanked two weeks before class begins. Sorry kid. It’s a numbers game.”

So, Tony is now blaming the kids?? Its not “THE SYSTEM” that stacked against the kids. Its the “SEC SYSTEM” that’s stacked against them.

The SEC promotes, endorses, and thrives on the CURRENT system by allowing kids who are academcially unqualified for ANY college work, to get a “free-pass” to get them on the field using methods like UGA’s infamous “Special Admissions” program or other bullsh** REMEDIAL coursework in the first 2 years of college eligibility.

So, here we have Tony whining and complaining about how “unfair” the system is, and yet he is among the MOST VOCALS supporters of the SEC and the member schools that embrace, condone, and support this “system.”

But, this is all just “standard fair” for Tony.

Tony is not just a hypopcrite. He’w worse than that.

Tony is simply a journalistic COWARD.

He DARE NOT write the TRUTH on matters like this regarding the SEC.

Pal

August 23rd, 2010
10:10 am

Kool Breeze! When you finally return to this planet, look for UGA in the Cotton Pickers Bowl.

what?

August 23rd, 2010
10:10 am

“southeastern chumps”

everyone does mention GT when talking about ACC weaklings. Also, it’s not just Georgia when talking about scheduling Clemson. They ARE on UGA’s schedule in the very near future. Clemson, as you’ll recall, was trying to schedule a home game with UGA on a Thursday night!!!! THURSDAY NIGHT?!! No freakin’ way that is going to happen and Georgia told them that. Thursday night is for bumble bees and other ACC weaklings and irrelevant SEC teams. So please, know the facts before spouting off at the lips. You don’t know JACK about UGA-Clemson. There is also a thing in conference scheduling called “rotating schedules” meaning we can’t play Bama and LSU every year. My god man, you are a true idiot!!

Otto

August 23rd, 2010
10:13 am

Tony, I agree with what you said on Talking Football, dropping UNC was a good move. UT is down at the moment and a purchased win is a good financial decision. UT may need the win to get in a bowl and it will help their limited depth in those seasons. Wins and going to a respectable bowl will help UT get the recruits needed for them to be back in the hunt in the SEC East.

As for honoring the contract that is why these contracts have buyout clauses, and tell death do we part was not part of the contract.

Otto

August 23rd, 2010
10:15 am

Also yes Hamilton only needs to look in the mirror to see why these embarassing decisions were needed, if he had not made a bad hire for the previous coach UT may have been on much better ground.

Munson

August 23rd, 2010
10:15 am

Beast, enjoy the Saban infatuation while it lasts. Come early November I’m sure my fellow Dawg fans will be obsessed with your head coach and his future :)

what?

August 23rd, 2010
10:15 am

Uh dumbo, sex lies, etc.:

Georgia does NOT have a special admissions program. Quit making stuff up to support the BS you spew!!

beachwriter

August 23rd, 2010
10:18 am

To all you yahoos saying “ALL artificial noisemakers should be banned,” that’s fine as long as ALL artificial noisemakers are truly banned from the stadium. However, once that happens, there’ll be no band instruments, radios, cell phones, etc. because ALL of these items make “artificial noise,” whatever the hell that is. I defy some lawyer to come up with a legal definition of “artificial noise” that only includes cowbells. How is 50,000 people ringing cowbells at Scott Field ANY different than 100K Vols fans at Neyland with that super-amped-up sound system??? Y’all are just pigheaded morons.

Topp Dogg

August 23rd, 2010
10:19 am

The Big Orange has now become the Little Lemon, suck one Vols fans.

4th down

August 23rd, 2010
10:21 am

Don’t pay any attention to anyone saying we run from Clemson. We beat them like rented mules every single time we play them. Just like we do Tech.

Damon Dirty Dawg

August 23rd, 2010
10:24 am

Damon Dirty Dawg

August 23rd, 2010
10:25 am

Tony – you censoring posts? Atleast I’m not one of the bloggers calling you an idiot.

S FL Chapter of the Bulldog Nation

August 23rd, 2010
10:26 am

Beast From The East….I read the comments and there was not one thing that stated the anti-Saban comments are from Dawg fans. I know A LOT of people around the country, especially down here in S FL, that don’t care too much for the guy. Much like the people in Atl and their feelings for Bobby Patrino (sp?). I’m not sure about the stats that were thrown out buy someone, but all I know is that he’s a good coach, in my opinion, and he flat out lied when asked about the Bama job when he was with the Dolphins.

Tony…from top to bottom the SEC is a stronger conference. No doubt! The ACC has a good top half, but has been let down in recent years with their bowl performances. Every year their bowl match that I can remember they have not faired well in their BCS bowl games which is their top team, and have not had an at large team represent the conference. (That I can remember)

I do think that the NCAA should have everything together as far as eligibility as student-athletes prior to fall semester beginning…I think that kid got a raw deal enrolling and now having to change schools.

I think UT is in a bad situation right now between the coaching change, players leaving and being kicked off the team….not sure if 86′in a home-n-home with UNC is the best thing to do, but obviously the “brain trust” at UT feels like they didn’t have a good shot of beating UNC and W’s are more important than pride at this point. They need to keep the Orange Overalls happy up there!

Only a few more days baby!!! Let’s get this party started!!! GO DAWGS!!!

Time Out

August 23rd, 2010
10:27 am

UGA – 2009 ACC Champions.

DawgByte

August 23rd, 2010
10:28 am

If UT dropped UNC because they are down and need help rebuilding…Why does UGA never play a decent non-conference opponent?? Sure OK St. was pretty good but remember we scheduled them when they were terrible. Who else have we ever scheduled??? FSU? UNC? Virginia Tech? What ever happened to the Clemson series? We play about as creampuff of an OOC schedule as you can get. The only thing saving us from the absolute worst is that we play rival GT which certainly is not Ohio State or Texas. I just wish we’d play someone top 10 OOC say twice per decade than some team we should roll over by three scores (Colorado) or worse for the 1AA teams.

npgator

August 23rd, 2010
10:29 am

The ACC has proven nothing over the past several years so I think this discussion is moot until they can win a BCS Championship.

Mash

August 23rd, 2010
10:29 am

Tony, I have to disagree with you about the Tennessee decision to back out of series with UNC. This blatant attempt by Mike Hamilton to cover his own rear, and it won’t work. He should be out of a job. It is also revisionist of you to lay the blame for current state of UT football on Lane Kiffin. It was Fulmer that left the cupboard of talent completely bare at UT in his waning years. Whatever you think of Kiffin and his staff, they made an improvement over the team before them.

Tony, please get back to your investigative reporting roots and report to us this: why does no one want the UT job. It was painfully obvious that no credible coach wanted the job last year when they were turned down by everyone until they finally had to turn to Derek Dooley. But, it is erroneous to make the assupmtion that this mess is the doing of ‘boy wonder’. Let’s not forget that the UT coaching search 2 years ago was just as painful as the last one, which is why the ‘boy wonder’ ended up as coach there in the first place. Why does no credible coach want to go there? Is the A.D. incompetent? (As the pulling out the UNC series would suggest).

GT Alum

August 23rd, 2010
10:31 am

I don’t know about Tony stirring up the pot as to an ACC v SEC strength of conference debate. I, personally, am just glad that the ACC is considering strong this year and hopefully will be left out of the weakest BCS conference debate. It was weird because the ACC has had several programs that have been rebuilding the past few years, but now there’s a group of them that are all coming up at the same time, so there should be a lot of depth, even if no one team is top 5 material.

robdawg08

August 23rd, 2010
10:33 am

No brainer the SEC is the best conference. No wuss teams period. Vandy,Ole Miss,and Kentucky are second tier but would still beat many of the top tier teams in the other conferences (except the top one in each conf. like Texas,USC,Miami). Wasted blog Barnhart. Not up for argument.

GeneralNeyland96

August 23rd, 2010
10:33 am

While I can understand the administrations motives for wanting to change the UNC series (we wanted to re-schedule, instead of cancel)….there is nothing good that can come from the change:

1. We play UNC, and maybe take our lumps against them, or later in the season for having played them.

2. Drop UNC and take our lumps in the arena of public opinion (this blog, for instance)

3. Worst case scenario – an upstart Buffalo team comes in and beats us a la App St & UofM

What a big mouth

August 23rd, 2010
10:34 am

SEC, Lies & videotape,

“the VERY SOURCE of the historic fall out between GT’s Bobby Dodd and Bear Bryant” was the Holt/Graning incident.

Get your facts straight

robdawg08

August 23rd, 2010
10:35 am

Time out has it right UGA beat Ga. Tech (the ACC champ) and we were the 5th best SEC team. That should tell you something about the SEC right there…

dap01

August 23rd, 2010
10:35 am

Good article but no one really believe that the ACC is equal to the SEC.

robdawg08

August 23rd, 2010
10:36 am

No conference has 6 teams like these SEC 6 : Fla,Bama,Auburn,Tenn,UGA,LSU. Bottomline.

T P Johnson

August 23rd, 2010
10:37 am

I am a season ticket holder at UT for over thirty years and not happy dropping the Heels but when you look at teams in the SEC who consistently go outside of conference and play top teams, the Vols rank higher than anyone in this department. Future schedules have Ohio State, Nebraska and Oregon. Show me another school in conference outside of Bama who plays someone.

robdawg08

August 23rd, 2010
10:37 am

8 out of last 10 national champions were SEC teams. Damn…

gdawginkalamazoo

August 23rd, 2010
10:37 am

Tony, so what happens if Buffalo beats UT?

robdawg08

August 23rd, 2010
10:38 am

And I left out Ole Miss,South Carolina ans Arkansas that are all gonna be good this year !

robdawg08

August 23rd, 2010
10:39 am

In the other conferences there’s only 2 to 3 top teams. The SEC has 6,7,maybe 8 EVERY YEAR.

what?

August 23rd, 2010
10:42 am

T P Johnson,

What about Georgia? Arizona St, Oklahoma St., Colorado, Boise State, we also have future games w/ Louisville and Clemson with Oregon a possibility also. These schedules are made so far in advance that no one knows for sure how good a team will be when you actually play them.

robdawg08

August 23rd, 2010
10:44 am

I’ll give the ACC Ga. Tech,Miami,Va. Tech,Clemson as good teams. If FSU,BC,NC,NC St.,Maryland, can rebound to prominence then I’d make them even with the SEC.

BoatDawg

August 23rd, 2010
10:45 am

Tony, you are right. The Clearinghouse is broken. My wife worked as the head of admissions and registrar at a small division II school in WV. They had some players that were not cleared by the NCAA until after their first game.

HugoStiglitz

August 23rd, 2010
10:50 am

The SEC had 8 top tier teams last year? You have got to be kidding me. They had three at most, with the third being questionable.

SEC, Lies and Videotape

August 23rd, 2010
10:50 am

Incorrect.

Dodd made it clear in numerous interviews and his autobiogrpahy,
it was the SEC’s decision on the recruiting issues and its effect on
the so-called scholarship tryouts that was the MAJOR REASON why Dodd too Tech out of the SEC.

The Holt/Granning incident was another sore-point between the two,
but not THE MAJOR REASON.

Please take the time to get YOUR facts straight.

Time Out

August 23rd, 2010
10:51 am

Please don’t mention the ACC in the same context as the SEC. The ACC is a joke of a football conference. They need to stick with Lacrosse and field hockey.

Time Out

August 23rd, 2010
10:52 am

Oh yeah, and Gtu needs to stick with Nerd Wars – Robot fighting.

Tide Rising

August 23rd, 2010
10:55 am

What the NCAA did to Alfy Hill was nothing short of bureaucratic bungling with pompous intent.

The computer correspondence course in question had been accepted by the NCAA and various colleges offering admittance to non athletes for years. Over 300 students and student athletes had taken the course at this high school over the years.

The course was taken in a classroom setting with other students in the same class taking the same course and with an instructor present throughout. Why the NCAA had accepted this course for years and years and all of a sudden deemed it unacceptable is anyone’s guess. They are the NCAA and they need not answer to Alfy Hill, Tony Barnhart, or anyone else.

One last thing. Hill had to take the course in lieu of PE because he had broken his hand and could not take PE. Is it possible that this course was even easier than PE? I seriously doubt it.

Tide Rising

August 23rd, 2010
10:56 am

SEC, Lies, and videotape,

Truly a posting of profound ignorance.

Laughing

August 23rd, 2010
10:56 am

I guess by using ugag fan standards,

That would make West Virginia the 2006 Big East Champs…AND…
the 2006 SEC Champs, after WV KO’d ugag in the 2006 Sugar Bowl.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Stupid Mutts

SEC, Lies and Videotape is FOS

August 23rd, 2010
10:57 am

SEC, Lies and Videotape spouts BS with out any supporting facts, links or substantiation. Yet he resorts to calling a respected journalist names. LMAO

what?

August 23rd, 2010
11:02 am

“WV ko’d UGA”? They won by a field goal MORON. Oh yeah, 3 points constitutes a “beat down” just like the Nerds improbable 45-42 victory. What does that make 51-7?

I am not going to be the head coach at Alabama. I am the head coach of the Miami Dolphins.

August 23rd, 2010
11:03 am

DawgByte — why does UGA not schedule top non-con teams?? Check your facts. No, we haven’t scheduled OSU, Texas, etc… We have in recent and upcoming years scheduled Boise St, Ok St, Colorado, Louisville, Clemson, Ariz St, not to mention North Ave Trade School.

Have other SEC teams occassionally scheduled a big name? yes. However, on a year to year basis, I would put UGA non-con schedule up against any SEC team. Do we schedule a couple of cupcakes every year, yes. Show me a top tier SEC that does not.

SEC, Lies and Videotape

August 23rd, 2010
11:03 am

Now THATS Funny.

A Tide fan, from the ONE PROGRAM recognized in ALL of college sports as
THE MOST CORRUPT, calling out someone else’s posting as “ignorant.”

Man, I guess FACTS & TRUTH dont exist in Tuscaloosa.

Or, the facts are just too damning for Bama to admit.

Bama Rama

August 23rd, 2010
11:03 am

Dooley needs time to “rebuild” the program by dropping games against good teams? What a joke! UT’s program has reached a new low—first hiring the buffoon kiffin now running scared from the mighty tar heels! Bama fans are loving this !!!!!!!

Brian

August 23rd, 2010
11:06 am

After all the years of the Big 10 getting lambasted for poor bowl performances, where is the love after 2009? The conference won TWO BCS bowls (neither of which was vs. Cincinnati) and also beat LSU & Miami, – 4 wins versus the Top 15. When the Big 10 struggled in the bowls, that was always used a point against them in the pre-season rankings. Why isn’t a successful bowl season also used to give them a bump in the pre-season rankings?

Tide Rising

August 23rd, 2010
11:07 am

Beast of the East,

You’re right. Something strange going on with the dawg fan’s obsession with Nick Saban and Alabama. I don’t get it. Hell one guy even has his handle “I’m not going to be the head coach at Alabama”. This guy is consumed with Saban.

whitx2

August 23rd, 2010
11:08 am

SEC, lies

Your post was W-A-Y too long and you don’t know what you are talking about.One of AH’s on-line courses was in 10th grade HS. How was it bama’s fault? How in the HE!! did bama WIN and the kid lose? On second thought, don’t answer these questions b/c you would ramble on and still not know what you were talking about.

SEC, Lies and Videotape

August 23rd, 2010
11:09 am

Thats a lie.

I would never accuse Tony of being a “respected journalist.”

Boise Dawg

August 23rd, 2010
11:10 am

Dooley the younger must be chip off the old block. It seemed Vince never wanted to schedule tough out of conference games when he was Georgia’s AD. Better OOC scheduling was one of the biggest football improvements when Evans took over. Damon was a little more optimistic / ambitious when it came to scheduling OOC. I always admired Tennesse for scheduling some big OOC opponenets over the years… looks as if those days are over.

Tide Rising

August 23rd, 2010
11:12 am

SEC, lies, and videotape,

I call your posting ignorant because your rant about the Alfy Hill story is completely devoid of the facts. Just one example of is that you blamed Alabama for admitting a player that had not qualified. News flash. The NCAA had qualified the kid- not Alabama. Could you possibly be any dumber?

Time Out

August 23rd, 2010
11:14 am

To SEC fans: do not try to agrue with the Nerd crew. They are they equivalent of immature children who have a hard time getting by day to day.

Kirk Frentz

August 23rd, 2010
11:20 am

Brian, thank you for saying that. We had a great time playing the Wake Forest Yellow Jackets in the Orange Bowl. Can’t say it was much of a challenge but hey it was a BCS win. I agree that if we had played the ACC champion UGA Bulldogs we might be ranked a little higher to start this season.

gdawginkalamazoo

August 23rd, 2010
11:22 am

Boise Dawg, who could ever forget the Richmond Spiders and VMI games that Vince scheduled. He always made sure to note in his pre-game pressers about “what a fine football team _____ has.”

SecGuy

August 23rd, 2010
11:23 am

SEC, Lies etc. Actually Dodd tried to get back in the SEC in the 70s and Bryant sponsored him, so he apparently had a change of mind. I guess the other garbage in your post was just the lies which you promised in your handle.

Lou Holtz aka the Spitting Cobra

August 23rd, 2010
11:23 am

Tide Rising, so you’re saying that UGA fans are as obsessed with Nick Saban as Bama fans are with all their fake national championships?

Marble Rye

August 23rd, 2010
11:24 am

Please STOP blaming Kiffin for UT being down. No coach can be at a school FOR ONE F’ING YEAR ONLY and bring it down, unless there are major violations that the school has been convicted of by the NCAA. And that hasn’t happened at UT. I really wish SEC types would stop taking shots at Kiffin – HE’S GONE, MOVE ON! He is NOT the blame for all of UT’s woes. If you want to blame someone for thick mediocrity, blame Fulmer and Hamilton.

Jigsaw

August 23rd, 2010
11:29 am

Changing Buffalo for UNC could be a triple embarassment. The switch is the first, the second is it could be played in front of fewer than 50 thousand fans and third, Bufffalo could whip a flat Vol team.

I am not going to be the head coach at Alabama. I am the head coach of the Miami Dolphins.

August 23rd, 2010
11:37 am

Tide Rising— “consumed w Saban” dream on. I simply have a sense of humor, an asset grossly missing from UA fans. I simply have a problem w someone who repeatedly vows “I am not leaving, I am not leaving, I am not leaving, Ok I’m leaving” Then, expecting commitments from 18 yr old kids.

I could also call myself:
I have a home in Tuscaloosa, but I’ll soon be in Ann Arbor
I hope I am not treated like the last guy who won a NC here (See the running off of Gene Stallings.)
Derek “what have I done” Dooley
Robbie “what have I done” Caldwell
Gene “no one wants me here” Chizik
Steve “what have I done to my career” Spurrier
Phil “UT got what they deserved” Fulmer

The list could go on and on.
Lighten up.

Learnin' From Vince

August 23rd, 2010
11:37 am

Just like his old man–Derrick’s learning to play a bunch of weak teams but build them up like they are national champions—duck the good teams when possible to make your record “look better.”

SEC, Lies and Videotape

August 23rd, 2010
11:38 am

Dodd tried to get Tech back in the SEC with Bryant’s help, because teh Tech program was in a severe financial condition.

That, however, does not disqaulify that fact the the SEC, and Bryant in particular have used and contiue to use over-recruiting process that is simply unethical. And yet, Tony compplains about eh “unfairness” of the “system” that he supports.

Here’s a few tidbits from a recent artcle about the SEC:

“At South Carolina, All-American linebacker Eric Norwood recently graduated early with a bachelor’s degree in criminal justice. Norwood was…TWICE DENIED…admission to South Carolina before being accepted as a special admit. The school softened special admission standards in 2007 after coach Steve Spurrier…THREATENED TO QUIT…when two recruits who met NCAA eligibility requirements were turned down.”

“At Alabama, 19 football players got in as part of a special admissions program from 2004 to 2006, the most recent years available in the NCAA report. The school tightened its standards for “special admits” in both 2004 and 2007, but from 2004 through 2006, Crimson Tide athletes were still more than 43 times more likely to benefit from such exemptions. Alabama coach Nick Saban offered no apologies. “

“The numbers, however, show…SPECIAL ADMISSIONS…exceptions are used far more often for athletes than musicians. At Georgia, for instance, 73.5 percent of athletes were…SPECIAL ADMITS…compared with 6.6 percent of the student body as a whole.”

The SEC is just one big toilet bowl of corruption.

Delbert D.

August 23rd, 2010
11:39 am

One of Tony’s counterparts on Saturday’s TV show picked Stephen Garcia as the surprise player who is going to make a big splash this year. If he does, that would be bad news for some SEC East teams. Garcia is 4th in Passer Rating among the 6 schools in the SEC who have a returning QB. I’m combining Vandy’s 2 QBs who both started last year, Smith and Adams( combined 90% Passer Rating.) Garcia’s rating was 119.3.

The average of the top 5 major conferences’ returning QBs (31 players, again counting the 2 Vandy guys as 1) is 132.1. The closest guys to that average rating are Ricky Stanzi of Iowa and Matt Barkley of USC. The only other players lower than Garcia are Shinskie of BC, Prince of UCLA and Yates of UNC.

LHardingDawg

August 23rd, 2010
11:42 am

The Tennessee buyout reminds me of the Auburn – Florida State buyout a number of years ago. Tuberville was new and did’nt want to get beat by a very good Florida State team. Auburn paid $300,000 to buy out the game in Tallahassee, which did’nt set well with the Auburn faithful. Why not just play the damn game, it’s a GAME with young men playing, not war, where people die. Shoot, Tennessee might even beat NC. Would’nt that be funny, a SEC beating a ACC team. It happens all the time.

Otto

August 23rd, 2010
11:44 am

Why should UGA play Clemson?

When was the last time Clemson won an ACC title?

It was about the time the Clemson UGA series ended. Dropping Clemson was a wise move for UGA. The series gave Clemson recruiting ties into the state of Georgia.

UGA has been doing well scheduling good OOC games. Az St., Ok St, Colorado (who knew they would be this bad) Oregon, and L’ville are coming up. Traditionally I would not consider UNC any stronger than the other teams UGA has schedules. UGA is recruiting NC realtively well and does not need to open a door for UNC to recruit Georgia. Schools closer to your campus are far mroe likely to move in on your local recruiting ground.

Also playing out west gives UGA more national exposure. The highest vote for UGA in the AP Poll came from a voter from The Albuquerque Journal, followed by 2 more from Oregon.

G8R GRAD

August 23rd, 2010
11:50 am

“SEC, ACC deepest. But who has best conference?”

Tony, you’re not baiting your readership are you? ! ! ! !

SECBEST

August 23rd, 2010
11:50 am

Hands Down, the SEC is the best conference. The speed, physical play and history show that. I wouldn’t even mention the SEC and ACC in the same paragraph.

DawginLex

August 23rd, 2010
11:52 am

Pretty sure the clemson series is about to restart. I love playing them. It is a great rivalry game and has always been so. Much rather play them than Louisiana or Idaho state.

4th down

August 23rd, 2010
11:54 am

The ACC is better than the SEC just as Tech is better than UGA. Riiiiiiiiight. You and Schultzie can write it, Tony. But NOBODY believes it.

Marble Rye

August 23rd, 2010
12:00 pm

Any mention of the ACC in this blog is either criticism or obligatory by its writer.

bob

August 23rd, 2010
12:03 pm

Seriously UT, it is better to fail than not even try.

Old Dawg

August 23rd, 2010
12:03 pm

Sarai: the incident with Jan Kemp occurred 28 years ago. Vince Dooley is now retired and the UGA Athletic Department has one of the highest GPA and graduation rates in the SEC and Division I of the NCAA. Perhaps you should shelve your history book and read about current events etc.

I’ve posted this several times and it’s just as true now as in the past: every school has problems, some bigger than others. As an adult, you need to realize this and find some other hobby … perhaps knitting, watching movies or, as I mentioned earlier, catching up on current events.

LHardingDawg

August 23rd, 2010
12:06 pm

SEC is much better. Just look at the bowl wins for the SEC vs. ACC last year. The cream definitely rises to the top.

Jan Kemp

August 23rd, 2010
12:06 pm

Nothing has changed in Athens. Nothing.

SecGuy

August 23rd, 2010
12:07 pm

Lies, Etc.
If it was against NCAA rules to over-recruit, SEC schools would not do it. They allow the practice with parameters so what’s the problem? You’re obviously one of those who are squeamish about gray-shirting. As long as this is all up front during the recruiting process, what’s wrong with it? A kid will still get a scholarship, just delayed. Recruits aren’t stupid. They know which schools use the practice and which don’t. If they don’t think it’s worth the risk to go to a particular program they can go somewhere else. College football has long been a business and some programs run it like a business more than others. It’s also a free market with the recruit. He can weight the pros and cons and make his decision.

reality

August 23rd, 2010
12:12 pm

Take bama and UF out of the SEC, you have an average conference. Top to bottom, the ACC Coastal is the best in college football.

CrackDaddy

August 23rd, 2010
12:12 pm

The fact is, that based on most pre-season polls, at least the perception is that UNC, in addition to Tech, has surpassed UGa. I believe that UNC will send more higher round picks to the pros this year than either UGa or Tech. We will see when UNC lines up against LSU in less than 2 weeks. Of course, if UNC plays LSU very close, the SEC’ers will use a close LSU victory to further lambast the ACC. If UNC wins, SEC’ers will either call the game a fluke, or characterize LSU as having a very weak team this year. Fortunately, the recruits lining up to go to UNC know the truth.

MARK RICHT'S A HYPOCRITE

August 23rd, 2010
12:13 pm

THEY DON’T CALL IT THE”ALL CUPCAKE CONFERENCE” FOR NOTHIN’!!!

Hobnailbooty

August 23rd, 2010
12:19 pm

You may laugh but UT may not beat Buffalo either!!

what?

August 23rd, 2010
12:21 pm

reality,

that is one asinine statement. Ever heard of the phrase, “what have you done for me lately?”. The A She She has done NOTHING to be relevant in the college football landscape and you spout off about the A She She Coastal being the best in America?Your handle shouldn’t be “reality”; it should be “fallicy” or “I’m an idiot”.

RxDawg

August 23rd, 2010
12:29 pm

“Take bama and UF out of the SEC, you have an average conference.”
Oh dear lord…reality…

Fair enough, now take the top two teams out of every other conference that your trying to compare. Hows that shake out for ya?

Cardinal Sin

August 23rd, 2010
12:34 pm

Hey DawginLex

Kinda like GA fans when it comes to keeping their mouth’s shut as well, right?

Gators win the East again in 2010!

Enough Said!

SEC, Lies and Videotape

August 23rd, 2010
12:35 pm

secguy:

grey-shirting?? Pffffttt.

Just keeeeeeeeeeeeep drinkin the kool-aid.

SecGuy

August 23rd, 2010
12:38 pm

Lies,
Where are the rules violations? Just asking.

reality

August 23rd, 2010
12:39 pm

what??? you are obviously an obsessed UGA fan. Don’t take the comments on this blog so personal. Everyone is entitled to his opinion.

athensdawg

August 23rd, 2010
12:39 pm

UT rescheduling is a joke. If Dooley is so fearful, why did he take the job in the first place.

I know, this comment is going to invite piling on by anti uga folks about the cupcake schedule we play….and rightfully so.

UGA should stick clempson and another legit opponent on the schedule instead of the sisters of the poor.

Go back to having Vandy and or UK be the homecoming opponent. We used to alternate between Vandy and ole miss at homecoming….before the divisions broke us in two.

This “protective” scheduling is for the birds. Classic example – FlaSt and Miami…thought joining the ACC was a sure fire in to winning the MNC. In the long haul, all it did was bring them down to the level of their competition.

jj

August 23rd, 2010
12:40 pm

what is a joke is bama putting ga state on their schedule…not tenn trading unc for buffalo…seriously bama, was parkview or brookwood or walton not available

DP

August 23rd, 2010
12:42 pm

Speaking of Lies, the article Lies describes as being on the SEC references a lot of schools outside the SEC, including Georgia Tech and Texas. The article focuses on the SEC because it was in the Birmingham News. Texas claims they use no special admissions for athletes yet somehow the average SAT score for incoming football players at Texas for 2003-05 was 945, or 320 points lower than the average for all entering freshmen.

Lies didn’t want to provide a link because it would show how he had cherry picked the article. Here’s a link to it:

http://blog.al.com/birmingham-news-sports/2009/12/university_of_alabama_athletes.html

Come on Lies, tell us who your school is and how its football players must meet the admission standards of the overall student body.

Biff Condor and the Mid morning Raiders

August 23rd, 2010
12:44 pm

Which conference is stronger? UGA-30. ACC Champs-24. Any questions?

Ed

August 23rd, 2010
12:47 pm

Boy, I couldn’t agree less about Tennessee. If Dooley’s success depends on dropping North Carolina – a traditional basketball school that has had only moderate football success – then there are problems that scheduling a non-BCS school won’t solve.

Besides, Tennessee-Buffalo is a nothing game that interests no one. Tennessee and North Carolina are neighboring states and UT-UNC should be a natural rivalry that draws plenty of interest in the Southeast. Big mistake dropping that game. Makes about as much sense as Georgia playing La.-Lafayette instead of say, Clemson.

Fans could stop this nonsense by refusing to go to games against 1-AA or non-BCS patsies. Let Sanford Stadium and Death Valley be half-empty for a couple of patsy games and see how long it takes for UGA and Clemson officials to renew the old rivalry.

Atlanta Gator

August 23rd, 2010
12:47 pm

Seriously? Who is the strongest college football conference? Well, let’s see. Who has won the last four consecutive BCS championship games? Okay. Who has more teams ranked in the top 20 preseason polls? I’m seeing a pattern here. Who has won more BCS championships over the lifetime of the BCS, with more schools represented? Verdict is in . . . . all rise for the Judge.

what?

August 23rd, 2010
12:48 pm

“fallicy”

unfortunately, that is the problem with these blogs…..anyone (you) can hide behind a computer and spout off nonsense!!

aztec

August 23rd, 2010
12:49 pm

i gave up on the pros bull sh.. several years ago and quite frankly the last several years div 1 football is starting too make me sick to my stomach, so i have started going to div 11 and div 111 games and more high shcool games.

DP

August 23rd, 2010
12:49 pm

I’m surprised Tony would defend Tennessee buying out a 2 year series with UNC. I’ve looked at the main UT fans website and most of them are embarrassed. UNC is no world beater. They’re hyped for this year but will lose a lot of senior starters before Tennessee was to play them in 2011 and 2012. The worst that could happen is that Tennessee would lose both games, and that would just show potential recruits that they have a good chance to get immediate playing time at UT.

While I bow to nobody in my disdain for Boy Kiffin, it is disingenuous of Tony to lay all of UT’s problems at his feet based on a 14 month tenure. The relatively barren junior and senior classes on this year’s team are on Phil Fulmer, not Kiffin. I don’t see how anybody can dispute that UT football was on a downhill slide both on and off the field in the last few years of Fulmer’s tenure.

14TH--ON THE WAY

August 23rd, 2010
12:51 pm

Isn’t Tenn dropping UNC for the same reason that GA TECH (and Coach Johnson) politely requested that his AD drop the Alabama series?

volky

August 23rd, 2010
12:52 pm

Tony,

Good insights as always. As a Vol fan, I was also disappointed about dropping the series with UNC. I don’t know how many people realize it, but UT & UNC had a yearly game with each other from the 1930’s through the 1950’s. For this reason alone, I was looking forward to the renewal and was hoping this might lead to an occasional home & home.

As for the NCAA clearing house, why can’t they hire more people to ensure all paperwork is completed by a reasonable deadline such as August 1? You would think they would be awash in cash from all they take in from the men’s BB tourney.

what?

August 23rd, 2010
12:53 pm

For the LAST time:

Ed,

UGA and Clemson ARE scheduled to play each other in the very near future. No team can schedule strong OOC games against BCS conferences every year. There are always “holes” in your schedule that needs to be filled with teams that are perceived to be weak.

PLEASE DO NOT SPOUT OFF ABOUT UGA DUCKING CLEMSON OR VICE VERSA!!!!!

aztec

August 23rd, 2010
12:53 pm

the bcs crap and the money being paid too div 1 coaches makes no sense too me and i really am back to enjoying going too games now that i go to div 11 and 111 games, i even go over to the local park and watch the little kids play although at those games the parents get on my nerves.

what?

August 23rd, 2010
12:56 pm

aztec=pedophile?

DP

August 23rd, 2010
12:58 pm

As far as the ACC versus the SEC goes, presumably that was a rhetorical question. At the end of last season two middle of the pack SEC teams (Georgia and South Carolina) pretty much physically manhandled the two ACC teams (Georgia Tech and Clemson) that played in the ACC championship game the following week. And Florida slaughtered Florida State the same day. The ACC is 2-10 in BCS bowl games with one BCS championship over a decade ago, the SEC is 14-5 with 6 BCS championships including the last 4.

what?

August 23rd, 2010
1:02 pm

Hey SEC lies:

You got called out!!!! I saw GT mentioned in the article, but strangely, not UGA. Ummmmm…

jj

August 23rd, 2010
1:03 pm

i agree with DP cant blame this all on kiffin…no matter how much people want too. the tenn juniors, seniors were fulmers picks so this tenn thing has been brewing for a few years…i saw fulmer on cbssports crying about this…shut up dude, u and annoying tony because its partially your fault tenn is at where they are

Ed

August 23rd, 2010
1:03 pm

what?…

Don’t know how old you are, but Georgia and Clemson are traditional rivals that, up until the 90s, played each other every year. Now we are lucky to play one home-and-home a decade against a school that is practically in our backyard.

If you followed Georgia football in the 80s and early 90s, then you know that some of the most exciting games were against Clemson. Now, that thrill has been replaced by scintillating games against the likes of Ga. Southern and various directional schools.

If that suits you and you want to spend your money on that, then by all means proceed. I’ll pass.

rick

August 23rd, 2010
1:09 pm

sec has been real good of late , but let’s not forget they only got there through hiring big ten assistant coaches. les miles , born in ohio , coached at mich.. urban meyer , born in ohio , and coached at ohio state. nick saban , coached toledo , then coached mich. state , before being hired away . they have built nothing inside their own with their own .

Atlanta Gator

August 23rd, 2010
1:12 pm

@Ed:

I don’t attend Gators games when they play Division I-AA (FCS) opponents, nor do I watch them on television. I would rather watch Alabama-LSU, Alabama-Ole Miss, Alabama-Tennessee, Alabama-Auburn, Auburn-Georgia, Auburn-Ole Miss, Georgia-Georgia Tech, Georgia-South Carolina, Georgia-Tennessee, South Carolina-Tennessee . . . or even LSU vs. North Carolina.

With 100% certainty, I will not be watching Tennessee play Buffalo. There are plenty of other things in life to do.

what?

August 23rd, 2010
1:12 pm

Ed,
I know about the Clemson-Georgia rivalry, having attended most of the games in the 80’s bot home and away. It was a game in the 80’s that the whole country watched. I KNOW THIS. But, if you know about what happened in 1992 then you know why it is a game that CANNOT be played EVERY year. That is the year 2 teams were added to the SEC and it broke into 2 divisions. We have even played Clemson a few times since then (one was a 30 -0 beating of Clemson in Death Valley) and are scheduled to play them again in a home&home. This last home and home only came about because Clemson changed their mind about scheduling their home UGA game on a Thursday night. Any OOC team that schedules Georgia for a Thursday night game will NEVER play UGA again. Hey Bro, I’m all for a UGA-Clemson game!!!!

SEC, Lies and Videotape

August 23rd, 2010
1:13 pm

Sounds OK to me. Let’s just post the ENTIRE Article.

It only makes the SEC look EVEN WORSE.

University of Alabama athletes among nations
top beneficiaries of special admissions, records review finds

December 30, 2009

Alabama head coach Nick Saban defends the use of special admissions to UA for some of his players. “I am really pleased and happy with the job that we do and how we manage our students here, and the responsibility and accountability they have toward academics and the success that they’ve had in academics.” If grades make you a long shot for college, you’re much more likely to get a break if you can play ball.

An Associated Press review of admissions data submitted to the NCAA by most of the 120 schools in college football’s top tier shows that athletes enjoy strikingly better odds of having admission requirements bent on their behalf.

The notion that college athletes’ talents give them a leg up in the admissions game isn’t a surprise. But in what NCAA officials called the most extensive review to date, the AP found the practice is widespread and can be found in every major conference.

The review identified at least 27 schools where athletes were at least 10 times more likely to benefit from special admission programs than students in the general population.

That group includes 2009 Bowl Championship Series teams Oregon, Georgia Tech and Alabama, which is playing Texas for the national title Jan. 7.

At Alabama, 19 football players got in as part of a special admissions program from 2004 to 2006, the most recent years available in the NCAA report. The school tightened its standards for “special admits” in both 2004 and 2007, but from 2004 through 2006, Crimson Tide athletes were still more than likely to benefit from such exemptions.

Alabama coach Nick Saban offered no apologies.

“Some people have ability and they have work ethic and really never get an opportunity,” he said. “I am really pleased and happy with the job that we do and how we manage our students here, and the responsibility and accountability they have toward academics and the success that they’ve had in academics.”

The NCAA defines special admissions programs as those designed for students who don’t meet “standard or normal entrance requirements.” The NCAA says such exceptions are fine as long as schools offer the same opportunities to everyone from dancers, French horn players and underrepresented minorities as they do to fleet-footed wide receivers and 300-pound offensive linemen.

Texas was one of seven schools that reported no use of special admissions, instead describing “holistic” standards that consider each applicant individually rather than relying on minimum test scores and grade-point averages.

But the school also acknowledged in its NCAA report that athletic recruits overall are less prepared. At Texas, the average SAT score for a freshman football player from 2003 to 2005 was 945 — or 320 points lower than the typical first-year student’s score on the entrance exam.
School officials did not make coach Mack Brown or athletic director DeLoss Dodds available to comment.

In all, 77 of the 92 Football Bowl Subdivision schools that provided information to the AP reported using special admissions waivers to land athletes and other students with particular talents. The AP spent three months obtaining and reviewing the reports through state public records laws.

Ten schools did not respond to the AP’s request and 18 other schools, including Notre Dame, Pittsburgh and Southern California, declined to release their reports. The reports do not identify specific students who benefited from admissions waivers, but they are identified by sport in many cases.

The NCAA sets minimum eligibility standards to compete once a student is in college, but leaves admissions decisions to individual schools and does not compare “special admits” across schools.

Kevin Lennon, NCAA vice president for academic and membership affairs, noted that NCAA schools face penalties, including losing scholarships, if athletes’ graduation rates are too low or if they fail to show adequate progress toward a degree.

“While it’s an institution’s decision on who they bring in, we’re most interested in what they do once they get there,” he said. “And if they’re not successful, there are consequences.”

At California, one of the country’s most selective public universities, Golden Bear football players were 43 times more likely to gain special admissions than non-athletes from 2002-04.

“It doesn’t matter to us if that student is a junior Olympian in taekwondo or the best oboe player in the United States or someone who can really run fast and jump high,” said Walter Robinson, admissions director at Cal. “We still look at that student with the same consideration: can that student be successful at Berkeley if admitted?”
While schools can tout the high graduation rates of athletes, they are not required to track the academic performance of special admits — and few do.

The AP review also found wide variance in how schools compile admissions data for NCAA review.

The NCAA asks schools to provide the annual percentages of special admits for all freshmen and all freshmen student-athletes on scholarship as well as a breakdown by individual sports.

But some schools only supply raw numbers, not percentages. Other schools, such as Florida, say they don’t track special admissions outside athletics.

And several schools report no special admissions but describe in great detail remedial efforts and other programs that adhere to the NCAA’s definition of special admissions.

Gerald Gurney, incoming president of the National Association of Academic Advisers for Athletics, favors a return by the NCAA to the minimum test score requirement abandoned several years ago. He said the NCAA’s “virtually open admissions standards” threaten academic integrity.

“Special admissions, in and of itself, isn’t something to be ashamed of. It does add value to a university,” said Gurney, senior associate athletic director for academics and student life at Oklahoma. “However, when you have students who need such a great deal of remediation, it jeopardizes the very essence of the university.”

Six schools besides Texas reported no use of special admissions on campus: Air Force, Connecticut, Kansas State, Purdue, Tennessee and Virginia.

The AP review also identified eight schools where athletes were no more likely than other students to get a break with special admissions: Arizona State, Arkansas State, Boise State, Iowa, Kent State, Mississippi State, New Mexico and West Virginia.

At South Carolina, All-American linebacker Eric Norwood recently graduated early with a bachelor’s degree in criminal justice.
Norwood was twice denied admission to South Carolina before being accepted as a special admit. The school softened special admission standards in 2007 after coach Steve Spurrier threatened to quit when two recruits who met NCAA eligibility requirements were turned down.
“When I got here I applied myself,” Norwood said. “I had great support from the academic staff, great support from the football staff. And my teammates, they held me accountable.”

South Carolina athletic director Eric Hyman dismissed critics who call special admissions simply a way to land athletes.

“It’s also a way to get better artists, better musicians,” he said. “It’s not all athletes. If you graduate, if your people are successful, there’s going to be more flexibility. And that’s what we’ve done.”

what?

August 23rd, 2010
1:18 pm

Oh Lies,

What a waste of time. Anyone who wanted to read the article could of just clicked on the link. I’m glad you have mastered cutting and pasting…..Makes you a big boy!!!! BTW, how does ot “make the SEC look even WORSE”? I think I saw GT mentioned in the article. Again, Alabama was mentioned the most because it was a BIRMINGHAM newspaper. Geez!!

Ron

August 23rd, 2010
1:19 pm

Somebody tell Ash this is not the first time. This is common for a mistake prone NCAA (and NCAA enforcement).

Dawg Trainer

August 23rd, 2010
1:19 pm

Go ahead and take your shots. We STILL want to play North Carolina, just wanted to move the games back. The Heels flat refused. So, here’s the REAL reason why Hamilton wants the buy-out:

Montana TBA
09/10/2011 Cincinnati TBA
09/17/2011 at Florida TBA
09/24/2011 at North Carolina TBA
10/08/2011 Georgia TBA
10/15/2011 LSU TBA
10/22/2011 at Alabama TBA
10/29/2011 South Carolina TBA
11/05/2011 Middle Tennessee TBA
11/12/2011 at Arkansas TBA
11/19/2011 Vanderbilt TBA
11/26/2011 at Kentucky

SEVEN straight games against good/decent teams. Of course, as a fan, I want to line ‘em up and play anyway. Looking thru Coach Dooley’s eyes, he needed one game to break up that stretch. Not that I like it one bit, but I do see the point. We sure as Saban weren’t going to reschedule a conference game.

Score Check

August 23rd, 2010
1:19 pm

Hey “13 bama championships”. Everyone knows bama caught a hugh break with McCoy getting injured early on. Be honest with yourself and admit it.

Beast from the East

August 23rd, 2010
1:20 pm

Reality,
I have to echo RxDawg’s comments. Take Texas and Oklahoma out of the Big 12 and what do you have? Take Ohio State and Penn State out of the Big 10 and what do you have? See the pattern? The bottom line is that UF and Bama DO play in the SEC and are part of the conference’s overall strength/weeakness.

John

August 23rd, 2010
1:21 pm

I hardly think Alabama has room to talk about scheduling. I’m sure that Georgia State game will be tough. Give me a break. How are they not utterly embarrassed for scheduling that game? Shameful!

SEC, Lies and Videotape

August 23rd, 2010
1:23 pm

Uh, what?

Here you go: from the AJC:

http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/stories//2008/12/28/acadmain_1228_3DOT.html

“The numbers, however, show special admissions exceptions are used far more often for athletes than oboists. At Georgia, for instance, 73.5 percent of athletes were special admits compared with 6.6 percent of the student body as a whole.”

Like I said…

Atlanta Gator

August 23rd, 2010
1:27 pm

@Rick:

That’s mostly true, professor, but Urban Meyer did not develop his spread option offense based on what he learned as an assistant coach at Ohio State. Those Buckeye boys still yearn for the “three yards and a cloud of dust” days that Spurrier permanently banished from the SEC in the 1990s.

BTW, I do believe that both Mark Richt and Steve Spurrier are products of Florida, not Ohio universities. Gene Chizik, too. And I do believe that Nick Saban had greater success at LSU and Alabama than he ever had at Toledo or Michigan State. Ditto for Urban Meyer and his time at Bowling Green and Utah. Looks like those Midwestern “football schools” are running off all their best coaching talent. That’s okay; we’ll keep’em.

JB

August 23rd, 2010
1:28 pm

If Georgia State willfully will play Bama, Tennessee should play NC. I know it’s about the money with state, and exposure, for Tennessee it’s pride…..At at the end of the day, pride ought to win out. I think the Tennessee folk know they are in for a tough couple of years.
Dooley will get three. If he’s 6-6 with 3 recruiting classes under his belt, he’s gone. Why ?
Bama. Saban won a National title in year 3. That’s where the bar is in the SEC now for the elite. He won’t be allowed to “turn the corner” in year four IMO.

CrackDaddy

August 23rd, 2010
1:28 pm

DawgTrainer, Tn officials (and coach) stated clearly that they do not want to play UNC in the near future because their program is down. I.e., “we don’t want to play UNC when we are a decided underdog.” Don’t try to spin what they said in plain English.

Preston

August 23rd, 2010
1:28 pm

1.) Of course the SEC is the best. That’s why every time they’re given the chance to play for the MNC, they win it. And win it quite convincingly.
2.) Shame on UT! They are an SEC team. They should never have attempted to duck an opponent. Especially an ACC opponent. Sad!
3.) It’s the WAC and the MWC……who cares?
4.) MSU better go ahead and prohibit those cowbells. It’s going to be like Christopher Walken on SNL. “I’ve gotta fever, and the only remedy is more cowbell!” LMAO!!!
5.) Shame on the NCAA for allowing bureaucracy to govern reason. What a mess!

Oracle of Dacula

August 23rd, 2010
1:34 pm

Score Check

Just like Texas caught a break when Sam Bradford was injured in the first quarter of the Texas/OU game.

And Texas still barely one.

Beast from the East

August 23rd, 2010
1:36 pm

Lies,
I believe that article proves that it is pretty much a nationwide practice. Bama was mentioned first and foremost because it was a Birmingham paper. Why single out the SEC? Are they not playing by the same rules that the rest of the NCAA is?

reality

August 23rd, 2010
1:37 pm

what? is a very angry person….don’t have a heart attack…this is just a blog.

Lewis Grizzard

August 23rd, 2010
1:38 pm

G Time said: “Derek Dooley’s 17-20 as a head coach…. the guy just can’t coach.”.

To be fair, he didn’t have a lot to work with in his three years at LTU. And, he did a great job at LSU… helping Saban win a National Championship. If given a chance, I believe he’ll do just fine at UT.

Ted Striker

August 23rd, 2010
1:39 pm

1) I respectfully disagree that anything has been learned from the pre-season polls, be it which conference is “deeper” or “stronger.” Till games are played, it’s all speculation.

2) Tennessee made the right choice.

3) If I were the WAC conference, I’d not be hoping for another “magical run” by Boise State. I’d hope that the teams who haven’t decided to leave hammered them. The best way to show somebody is to show them on the field.

4) It was a bad call by the conference to allow the cowbells to continue. If cowbells help Ms. State (intentional) win a single game, the money it costs the school will be well worth it to the boosters.

5) Agreed with you on the NCAA clearinghouse. I don’t blame the employees, I blame the boss.

TB must be drunk

August 23rd, 2010
1:41 pm

Nothing else to add. Just figured that Tony was drunk again when he rated the ACC better than the Big 10. Who won three BCS bowls last year?

DP

August 23rd, 2010
1:45 pm

Lies, you’ve been called out and exposed. Leave it alone. The article notes that schools measure it different ways, a lot of schools didn’t participate, etc. It references Cal which is one of the best schools in the country. There’s no consistent measure that allows comparison of all schools. If you think your school that plays big time football, no matter what school it is, doesn’t have lower admission requirements for football players than it does for the general student population you’re an idiot.

what?

August 23rd, 2010
1:49 pm

Uh Lies,

That was an article from 2 years ago written by a GT beat writer. There is no credibility in the article since it said “GT football players had the highest GPA in the country”. We all know that is NOT the case as more recent data compiled backs that up. BTW, I don’t think anyone on this blog denies the fact that athletes are more likely to be admitted on a special admission basis.

Win 2 Games and We're In

August 23rd, 2010
1:51 pm

WAC is the best conference

what?

August 23rd, 2010
1:53 pm

“fallicy”
If you have nothing to contribute to the blog, stay off!!!!

TrippDawg

August 23rd, 2010
1:57 pm

Is it too early to start digging the hole to bury what’s left of the Western Athletic Conf. ?

Otto

August 23rd, 2010
1:58 pm

Ed, IMO once a decade is about right for UGA to play Clemson. UGA does not gain much by playing Clemson. Yes I was there for games in the 80s and 90s but would rather see Ok St. Az St., Colorado and Oregon.

HugoStiglitz

August 23rd, 2010
1:58 pm

People seem to be confused. Tony isnt rating the conferences based on events that happened several years ago or even last year. He is rating them on perceived strength going into this season.

Delbert D.

August 23rd, 2010
1:59 pm

Dawg Trainer – Make that 12 games against decent opponents for UT. MTSU won 10 games last year including the New Orleans bowl. Montana was undefeated in the regular season, losing to Villanova in the FCS playoffs. They finished 14-1. In 2008, they were 14-2, losing to Richmond in the FCS CG. Kroy Biermann and Shan Schillinger of the Falcons are former Grizzlies. I watched 2 of their games late in the season when no decent FBS games were being televised in late afternoon.

Dawg Trainer

August 23rd, 2010
1:59 pm

“CrackDaddy

August 23rd, 2010
1:28 pm
DawgTrainer, Tn officials (and coach) stated clearly that they do not want to play UNC in the near future because their program is down. I.e., “we don’t want to play UNC when we are a decided underdog.” Don’t try to spin what they said in plain English.”

Let me find this statement. I’ll be right back.

AlwaysAVol

August 23rd, 2010
2:01 pm

From what I have heard, UT was in the process of trying to drop UNC even before the arrival of the circus clown and his “I must be blind” wife. There was talk of dropping UNC when Fulmer still coached. Why? Dollars and recruiting. Even through normal attrition, UT is scheduled for a down couple of years or two. With the merry go round of the last two years, it was solidified. By replacing UNC with another weaker team, it could very well be the difference between going bowling or not in 2011. Recruits watch bowl games. Schools like money. Do I like it? No. Do I understand it? Yes. The Vols will be be back, give us time.

Otto

August 23rd, 2010
2:04 pm

Going into this season strongest to weakest.

1) SEC,
2) Big12
3) after a larger gap ACC,
4 and 5 very close) PAC10, Big 10

Real Tech

August 23rd, 2010
2:04 pm

Out of fear, uga dropped clemson like a hot potato. They got tired of those beatdowns from another team in orange.

juvenal

August 23rd, 2010
2:07 pm

ACC has 6 in US NEWS top 50….

gt

August 23rd, 2010
2:08 pm

Tony you are drinking the Koolaid again. The kid shouldn’t be in college in the first place. Alabama put him in this situation not the NCAA. You sound like a mob lawyer.

Lewis Grizzard

August 23rd, 2010
2:09 pm

SOOHSO said: “UT stabbed Fulmer in the back. What goes around comes around.”

That’s true. But Fulmer stabbed Majors in the back… karma’s a b!tch.

gdawginkalamazoo

August 23rd, 2010
2:10 pm

Lewis, I agree D Dooley could be a good to great coach. As the AD at LTU he put a lot of BCS type schools on his schedule. The ones that pay a lot.

Atlanta Gator, I would watch a UT-Buffalo game. And pull for Buffalo. Just because UT “wanted” the game.

what?

August 23rd, 2010
2:10 pm

Fake Tech,

Do you honestly think before typing? Look at the UGA-Clemson series an let me know about the last few games between the 2. What a complete MORON!!!!

Delbert D.

August 23rd, 2010
2:10 pm

The cowbells:

1) Will season ticket holders allow a “cowbell” contribution to be added to the athletic association donation requirements? How do you keep them out of the stadium? Metal detectors, which brings up:

2) How long will it be before Homeland Security requires scanning at gates of all athletic events to hopefully head off a terrorist strike?

rick

August 23rd, 2010
2:11 pm

atlanta gator , mark richt hasn’t won a title and spurrier won one because ohio state beat number 2 ariz. state in the rose . it is hard to argue with the success that the sec has had with the ohio/big ten coaches . another point would be both super bowl wins the state of florida has had , yup, you guessed it , both ohio coaches ! look at new orleans , big ten q.b. , big ten r.b. , and a big ten corner that picked off peyton manning to seal the deal last year ! by the way , new orleans head coach was a big ten assistant tooo (illinois)……….. lol.

Know Nothing Nerd

August 23rd, 2010
2:14 pm

Typical bungle bee nerd trying to hide behind another school in an attempt to put down UGA. Hey Dr. Spock, I think Georgia pretty much stomped Clemson the last couple times they have played including a 300-0 butt whipping in Death Valley. I wish we could drop the Nerds from our schedule because you add nothing to the “rivalry”.

Vols afraid of ACC

August 23rd, 2010
2:17 pm

`
A big bad SEC team (Tennessee)
is afraid to play an ACC team (North Carolina)
so Derek Dooley can pad his losing record.
.
I hope the Buffalo Bulls stomp Tennessee both times they play.

Yellow Fuzzy

August 23rd, 2010
2:17 pm

That whole David Carradine thing really scared me.

what?

August 23rd, 2010
2:18 pm

Rick, you don’t wanna go there with the NFL players and where they are from. You will LOSE every time in an argument about NFL players and the schools they played at. Just go up and down NFL rosters and get back with us about where most of them are from!!!

Know Nothing Nerd

August 23rd, 2010
2:19 pm

30-0…sorry. But it seemed like 300-0!!

TAR!!!!

August 23rd, 2010
2:22 pm

ONE TEAM, ALL SPORTS. Your conference doesn’t matter, just your team.

rick

August 23rd, 2010
2:25 pm

what? …. just sayin the last 2 s.b. winners were loaeded with big ten players or ohio players . 4 ohio schools were represented in both those games , including the mvp 2 yrs. ago (holmes) and two time s.b. winner big ben ! porter (indiana) , picking off manning was priceless!!!

rick

August 23rd, 2010
2:29 pm

what ? …. i would love to “go there” guaranteed , more players , mvps , heisman winners , s.b. mvps ,coaches and on and on , have come from , let’s say , “up north”.

Delbert D.

August 23rd, 2010
2:31 pm

Otto – Sounds about right for your rankings. It will change with the move of Nebraska to the Big Ten+, and to a lesser extent, Colorado and Utah to the PAC-10. Big Ten stronger, PAC-12 weaker, and Big-12/whatever weaker. All in the short term, I think. Colorado, Utah and Nebraska will greatly benefit in recruiting.

Lewis Grizzard

August 23rd, 2010
2:31 pm

DawgByte, I couldn’t agree more. Playing GT is the same as playing Colorado (who gave tech 49% of their championship in 1990). Because besides the creampuffs like Florida, Alabama, LSU and Auburn that Georgia plays in conference, they pick up teams like OK State (pre-season #9), Arizona St.(pre-season #16), or Boise St. (pre-season #12) out of conference. All this while tech plays power houses like Gardner-Webb, Samford and Army for their out-of-conference games. It’s really embarrassing for UGA fans.

rick

August 23rd, 2010
2:32 pm

seriously though , is UT really gonna pay N.C. not to beat them up! pathetic.

Blue

August 23rd, 2010
2:32 pm

SEC; 80% of OOC games are home, and most are played against tier 2 competition. I understand that you have a tough conference schedule; but I’m not saying you have to play freaking Miami or USC or Wisonsin (who has a pretty darned good track record against the SEC) for your regular season OOC games. But stop playing friggin North Texas State, Wofford, Louisiana/Monroe…and now Buffalo. Just play SOMEONE…

what?

August 23rd, 2010
2:33 pm

They may have been loaded with Big 10 players but there was certainly no shortage of SEC players on both teams. Matter of fact UGA is the ONLY school to boast multiple SB MVPs. And if you look back at SB winning QB’s, many are from the SEC or the South (Peyton & Eli, Favre, Namath, Starr, etc., to name just a couple) FSU, UGA, Miami, Florida, Tennessee….these schools routinely have the most players on NFL rosters year after year.

Shug

August 23rd, 2010
2:36 pm

I can understand (sort of) a school like Wofford ducking a game with North Carolina, but Tennessee??!!! The Vols ought to just go ahead and a sign a sponsorship with Massengale or Summers Eve.

? down ?

August 23rd, 2010
2:37 pm

But when your program is down-and Tennessee’s is way down
thanks to 14 months under the Boy Wonder-
-
you still beat Georgia by a score of 45-19.

what?

August 23rd, 2010
2:37 pm

Rick if you believe all of that, Delbert has some beach front property in Utah for sale!!

bruce mac

August 23rd, 2010
2:38 pm

At the end of the year the SEC will once again have won 6 or 7 Bowl wins including 2 BCS games and the ACC will once again be humiliated on National TV as they get there azz handed to them in there one and only BCS bowl match up. Some things never change, why state the obvious? The ACC is second tier conference and would not even have one BCS game except the rest of the Bowl coalition felt sorry for their pitiful conference.

Delbert D.

August 23rd, 2010
2:38 pm

Delbert D.
June 18th, 2010
7:30 pm

Best colleges to attend to make the Falcons’ roster:

(2 or more players represented)

3 players
————————
Alabama
Cal-Berkeley
LSU
Wake Forest

2 Players
————————
Arizona State
Arkansas
FSU
Iowa
Louisville
Miami-Fl
Missouri
Montana
NC State
Oklahoma
Ole Miss
South Carolina
Stanford
UNLV
Villanova

Otto

August 23rd, 2010
2:40 pm

Delbert Agreed,

Blue,

FCS games played

ACC 12-2
SEC 11-0

what?

August 23rd, 2010
2:41 pm

Hmmmm, looks like a lot of “Southern” schools represented. Thanks Delbert!!

Lewis Grizzard

August 23rd, 2010
2:46 pm

? down ?, those were Fulmer recruits… not ‘Boy Wonder’ recruits. Kiffin was/is an idiot of the highest magnitude. Again, Dooley will get Tennessee back on the right track if given the chance.

Nole 5050

August 23rd, 2010
2:53 pm

Tennessee does have a choice- they can man up and play the schedule they agreed to play. Please spare me the hearts and flowers in absolving them for ducking the schedule.

Delbert D.

August 23rd, 2010
2:53 pm

Georgia Tech had to schedule Gardner-Webb in 2008 because Army backed out late. It may have worked out better if Tech had just left the date open. A hugely embarrassing 10-7 win, albeit without Nesbitt.

TNDave

August 23rd, 2010
3:01 pm

Dropping UNC or not, we still own Georgia. Every year I read how bad you guys are going to be us and we end up putting the hammer to you, just like last year. You guys have the most overrated football program in the history of the NCAA.

what?

August 23rd, 2010
3:05 pm

TNDave:

“in the history of the NCAA”?
Outlandish statements were Kiffin’s trademark. UGA finished higher than their preseason ranking in 6 of the last 9 years. That doesn’t sound like “overrated” to me. Your bitter attitude still doesn’t make up for ducking UNC!!

TNDave

August 23rd, 2010
3:10 pm

What were the scores 3 of the last 4 games? Ask anyone who doesn’t live in this area and they will tell you no school does less with more than UGA. Either the recruiting services are wrong or your coaches aren’t doing their job. You guys will be lucky to win 8 games this year even with your soft schedule. It will interesting to see how you act after losing 2 of your first 3 games.

Biff Condor and the Mid morning Raiders

August 23rd, 2010
3:19 pm

TNDave is a big talker with a coach from La. Tech and a losing record to boot. This after they hired Kiffen, also a loser who dumped their program and hauled a$$ when he got a better offer. And then they dump the UNC game to play Buffalo. Yea, you go TNDave.

Time Out

August 23rd, 2010
3:20 pm

Nesbitt has the arm strength of a girl.

Boca Baby

August 23rd, 2010
3:23 pm

Why is the NCAA Clearinghouse understaffed in the first place? The NCAA makes money out the whazoo. This is a lame excuse. In other words, they don’t have an excuse.

Boca Baby

August 23rd, 2010
3:25 pm

Tennessee is going to suck out loud this year. It couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch.

rick

August 23rd, 2010
3:26 pm

what? ….uh what? four time s.b. winning coach chuck knoll from ohio . 2 time s.b. winner and winningest coach of all time , don shula, from ohio . s.b. winner john gruden , ohio , and all but 1 of the last 10 ncaa champ coaches have been from or coached in ohio . stoops, meyer miles, saban , carroll , and tressel . (carroll is a stretch!)

TNDave

August 23rd, 2010
3:28 pm

Maybe TNDave is big talker, but you still didn’t comment on 3 of the last 4 games when we’ve could have run the score upon you more than we did. We beat you worse than FL last year.

what?

August 23rd, 2010
3:29 pm

The people in this area are the ONLY ones who say outlandish stuff like that Dave. Nobody in any other part of the country thinks that. I think UGA has finished about where the recruiting rankings have placed them. Contrary to popular belief, UGA has NEVER had the top rated recruiting class and has been top 5 once or twice- THAT’S IT. Blindly following other people’s outlandish statements without knowledge is very foolhardy.

Cracker Jacket

August 23rd, 2010
3:29 pm

Beast – very simple. If you pund the ever loving crap out of the dogs, they hate you, a la Spurrier.

what?

August 23rd, 2010
3:31 pm

Could’ve run the score up? When?

rick

August 23rd, 2010
3:32 pm

just so you will know , the two generals who won the civil war , grant and sherman , were also from ohio . just thought i would toss that one in………………lol.

what?

August 23rd, 2010
3:32 pm

Cracker Jacket,

Kind of like UGA “punding” the living crap out of the Nerds?

TNDave

August 23rd, 2010
3:33 pm

Back to the thing that really matters, the games. We’ve scored at will against UGA and this year will be no different. You guys think no one has seen a 3 – 4 defense before? You couldn’t even win the SEC east when you had Stafford.

DawginLex

August 23rd, 2010
3:33 pm

TNDAVE,

Don’t let the facts get in the way of your spewing.

Last 10 games: UGA 6-4
under coach Richt: UGA-5-4

UT’s last SEC title 1998

UGA has won 2 since then.

UT is starting 3 true freshmen on the OL in 2010. You will get stomped in Athens.

what?

August 23rd, 2010
3:34 pm

“King James” is from Ohio too and he’s a loser douch bag!!

what?

August 23rd, 2010
3:36 pm

TNDave,

If you think Tennessee has a chance against UGA this year you are insane. UGA will win by no less than 3 TD’s!!!! The game has been circled for a long time my friend.

gdawginkalamazoo

August 23rd, 2010
3:36 pm

TNDave, that is one thing you are right about. It cost us a shot at the NC in 2007 and last year was just plain embarrassing. With a new DC we all hope that will change, hell it can’t get any worse. Dawg fans know that our D has been lackluster at best the past 2-3 years. Dooley can get UT back on track but backing out of games with an ACC oppponent isn’t the way to do it. How does he measure the level of his program by playhing Buffalo? I would think if you want to get all the way back to prominence then manning up and playing UNC would give you a better idea of where you are at.

rick

August 23rd, 2010
3:37 pm

don’t be jealous what. i am just reporting the facts . james is a bag for what he did . no denying it .

Tim

August 23rd, 2010
3:37 pm

Even in times of vast unemployment, it appears the NCAA has trouble finding those who meet its low standards…….so we have work delays. No surprise they are still abusing athletes, fans, and the institutions that built the NCAA castle.

Cracker Jacket

August 23rd, 2010
3:39 pm

Delbert – that was an emabarrasing win against Gardner Webb. Reminds me of when the dogs got beat by Vandy in 2006 and sqeaked by with a field goal in 2007. You gotta play hard every game.

DawginLex

August 23rd, 2010
3:40 pm

TNDAVE,

just looked at Vandy’s schedule. you know what the most winnable game is for them?

UT

Otherwise they are 0-12.

gdawginkalamazoo

August 23rd, 2010
3:40 pm

what? I wouldn’t count on a W against UT this year. Remember last year? Remember 2007? That’s a game we should have won most of this decade, not be 6-4 against. And two arse whippings thrown in. Time for payback for the last couple of years.

Delbert D.

August 23rd, 2010
3:41 pm

TNDave – I just downloaded the UT media guide, and working through it I counted 11 players who had significant starts last year (including a couple of guys who became starters late in the season.) I excluded the players who have transferred and also the P and PK (who both return).

I usually do an actual count, game-by-game from the cumulative statistics download, but that data is not in the statistics. But does that sound about right, for the number of returning starters?

Cracker Jacket

August 23rd, 2010
3:45 pm

What – 6 points is hardly a pounding, especially when BayBay dropped a pass that hit him in the hands with no dogs in site at the end to tie it. But a win is a win and it really doesn’t matter how mnay points you score. 1 point is enough. A POUNDING is what Florida and Tennessee and Alabama did to y’all.

what?

August 23rd, 2010
3:47 pm

gdawginkalamazoo,

It is a W. There is NO DOUBT about it. Payback will be he!!.
Cracker Jacket,

Vandy is an SEC team….Gardner Webb , well, is not.

what?

August 23rd, 2010
3:50 pm

Alabama won by 10 points and we beat them the year before. I was talking about the beatings that go on year after year (8 out of 9) including 51-7!!!! Also, enough with the damn excuses about BahBah (how would he have tied it when he dropped it at the 40 yard line?). You lost…AGAIN!!!

KC

August 23rd, 2010
3:51 pm

I’ve seen ALL of these comments over time on these very blogs.

Paul Johnson will never win at Navy. Wrong-had much success at Navy(W 45-L29).
Triple option will never work at Division I college level. Wrong. Overall record Div 1 record W65-L40.
Triple Option would never work in a BCS Conference. Wrong. Overall 2 year won loss record of 20-7.
Running the Triple option will never lead to consistently ranked football teams. Wrong-Georgia Tech has been ranked at the end of the seasons in 2008 and 2009.
Tech will never go to a BCS Bowl with the Triple option offense. Wrong.
Tech will never win the ACC championship with the triple option offense. Wrong.

2008
Jax St. is going to come to Atlanta with former SEC quarterback Ryan Perriloux and Beat Georgia Tech. Wrong.
Mississipi State of the SEC is going to come in and beat Georgia Tech. Wrong.
Florida State and Miami with all that speed and talent will come in to Atlanta and win. Wrong.
Georgia will dominate and beat Georgia Tech in 2008. Wrong.

2009.
Opponents will stop the triple option now that they have had a year to see and play against it. Wrong.
UNC “Stopped” the Triple Option in 2008, they have the “formula” and they will stop it again in 2009. Wrong.
Tech got lucky when they beat Clemson and Florida State in 2008-it won’t happen in 2009. Wrong.
Tech will never beat Virginia Tech as Bud Foster also has the “formula” for stopping the triple option. Wrong.
Tech will never beat Clemson twice in the same year. Clemson will know how to stop the t.o having played against it earlier in the year. Wrong.

Remaining goals.
Win BCS Bowl
Win National Championship at Division 1 Level

Go ahead haters-tell us now THAT won’t happen. You’ve been soooo right so far.

YEAH

August 23rd, 2010
3:51 pm

51-7 is a “punding”!!!

Lewis Grizzard

August 23rd, 2010
3:53 pm

what?

has a hearing problem, or an A/D/D problem, or both

what?

August 23rd, 2010
3:53 pm

KC,

you forgot “2009: GT will kill Georgia”- WRONG

gdawginkalamazoo

August 23rd, 2010
3:54 pm

what? I hope you are right. It was suppose to be in the bag last year. New coach, terrible QB etc.

what?

August 23rd, 2010
3:54 pm

hows that Lewis? Enlighten me.

TNDave

August 23rd, 2010
3:56 pm

At least we won the NC game in 1998. You guys haven’t even been to one since 1980. 30 Years and you think you’re program is that good? Come on, go on the facts and not the emotions.

Delbert D.

August 23rd, 2010
3:58 pm

DawginLex – Seems like a good time to repost this. It could be argued that Vandy should be moved up a couple of spots. But it’s only my analysis, anyway, it’s not like it’s from SI or Athlon.

Delbert D.
July 29th, 2010
11:09 am

SEC 2010 Out of Conference Games (* away # neutral site)
Alabama_________San Jose St., Penn St., Duke*, Ga. St.
Auburn__________Ark. St., Clemson, UL-Monroe, UT-Chatt. (8 home games)
Arkansas________Tenn. Tech, UL-Monroe, Texas A&M*, UTEP
Ole Miss________Jacksonville St., Tulane*, Fresno St., UL-Lafayette
Miss. St_________Memphis, Alcorn St., Houston*, UAB
LSU____________UNC#, West Va., McNeese St., UL-Monroe

Florida__________Miami (OH), USF, App. St., FSU*
South Carolina___So. Miss., Furman, Troy, Clemson*
Georgia_________UL-Lafayette, Colorado*, Idaho St., Ga. Tech (5 road games, + #)
Kentucky________Louisville*, W. Kentucky, Akron, Chas. Southern
Vanderbilt_______Northwestern, Connecticut*, E. Mich, Wake Forest
Tennessee______UT-Martin, Oregon, UAB, Memphis*

Delbert’s Difficulty Ranking
1. LSU
2. Florida
3. Georgia
4. Tennessee
5. SC
6. Alabama
7. Vanderbilt
8. Miss. St.
9. Auburn
10. Kentucky
11. Arkansas
12. Ole Miss

DawginLex

August 23rd, 2010
3:59 pm

I am pointing out the facts to you oh delusional Dave.

6-4 this decade vs UT is not “UT always pounds UGA every year’

Read son.

DawginLex

August 23rd, 2010
4:01 pm

Vandy’s only chance at a win this year is UT and maybe E Michigan. Your difficulty scale should rate them first if it is based on probability of winning the games.

Dawghater

August 23rd, 2010
4:02 pm

Tony, Tony, Tony! Do you know how many UGA fans will be writing you nasty blogs. How dare your say the ACC has a deep conference. UGA fans have the delusion that the SEC is only conference in the country! Good Insight!

Damon Evans

August 23rd, 2010
4:02 pm

Any know where I can get a good martini?

Pour me a Guinness

August 23rd, 2010
4:02 pm

DawginLex, don’t waste your time with the Tennessee flamer. After all, they’re afraid to play an ACC team.

KC

August 23rd, 2010
4:04 pm

what? Georgia was the better team in 09 and won the game. That doesn’t discount any of my points though.

DawginLex

August 23rd, 2010
4:04 pm

SEC and ACC put more players in the pros than any other conferences. Not saying that there are not good players in the ACC.

However, the results on the field speak something else. Especially head to head with the SEC. Please don’t spew about Tech beating Vandy OK?

Boca Baby

August 23rd, 2010
4:04 pm

(((30–24))) 344 yds rushing, 8-1. KC you understand these numbers don’t you? Now take your ball and go home, your mommy’s calling.

KC

August 23rd, 2010
4:06 pm

boca baby. UGA won the game vs GT in 2009-they were the better team that day. That doesn’t discount any of my points though.

Boca Baby

August 23rd, 2010
4:07 pm

KC: Why doesn’t Tech jump ship and come back into the SEC. Post those numbers in an eight game conference schedule and then the stats will be credible.

Delbert D.

August 23rd, 2010
4:07 pm

what? – “KC,

you forgot “2009: GT will kill Georgia”- WRONG”

Valid point. Quite a few fans had abandoned the bandwagon last year when Georgia was 6-5, thinking they would lose to Georgia Tech, and were screaming for coaches’ heads. Then Georgia beat Georgia Tech, and then they seemed to want only Coaches Bobo and Martinez to be fired.

Boca Baby

August 23rd, 2010
4:08 pm

KC: But how can you explain the 8-1? And when is the last time you won a bowl game?

AD formerly known as Daddy Damon

August 23rd, 2010
4:08 pm

Heyah, Honey, blow on this whilst I hold yo’ drawuhs.

KC

August 23rd, 2010
4:08 pm

Boca Baby SEC is the best conference in college football. That doesn’t discount any of my points though.

Tide Rising

August 23rd, 2010
4:09 pm

UT should not be backing down from UNC. If it were Texas or USC I would understand but not UNC. UT has not suffered any scholly losses as a result of probation or anything like that and there is no way that in one year that Lane Kiffin could destroy a whole program. On the contrary people were saying he brought in a great recruiting class and had another good class lined up before he left. Plus UNC loses a lot of great seniors this year, especially on defense where several seniors on this team could have gone pro as jrs.

The only reason I could possibly think that UT would still think they are down next year and the year after would be if the people at the top are expecting to get hammered with major NCAA violations and thus they already know the program will be suffering sanctions. Other than that Dooley should be able to do what a lot of other coaches have done-Meyer, Saban, Richt, etc. and have his program rolling full steam in his 2nd year as those coaches did. Makes me wonder if UT’s athletic director knows if there is something brewing that the rest of us don’t know about.

Biff Condor and the Mid morning Raiders

August 23rd, 2010
4:10 pm

TNDave.. You guys punked out on playing UNC to play Buffalo. What is that about? Thanks for embarrasing the SEC!

Boca Baby

August 23rd, 2010
4:10 pm

KC: That is the point. Your points have no credibility because of where the numbers were posted. If you cannot see that then you are truly deluded.

69dog

August 23rd, 2010
4:13 pm

UGA is Just Fine...

August 23rd, 2010
4:14 pm

I will say this much for the ACC, they have the non-conference schedule to get some respect this year. Win the majority of them respect will be earned, drop most of them and they may fall behind the Big East.
Here are the notable games with predictions
UNC vs LSU (LSU wins – UNC has no offense, and D will be hurt by agentgate)
FSU vs OK & UF (FSU loses both, but the games will closer than most think)
VT vs Boise St (Gotta go Boise here, they are much better than people give them credit for, only lost 1 starter K.Wilson) and C.Peterson can flat out coach and game plan.
GT vs Kansas,UGA (GT goes 1-1 here, and no the jayhawks aren’t the loss)
Miami vs OHST, Pitt (I think Miami wins both of these and could be a darkhorse top 5 team. Tons of speed tons of talent, and ohst just doesn’t play teams with great team speed well.)
UVA vs USC(trojans)(USC wins, still have a ton of talent, and UVA is…well they’re still UVA)
Wake vs Stanford (flip a coin)
Duke vs Bama (Duke gets destroyed)
Clemson vs Auburn, SC (1-1, again flip a coin for which one, I think they beat SC but lose to Auburn)

Thoughts?

Delbert D.

August 23rd, 2010
4:15 pm

DawginLex – That would be a different ranking system, although it would include the OOC difficulty component. The SEC was more difficult to rank by me than the ACC, since the presence of one only difficult opponent affects the ranking of some teams in the SEC. An example of that is Alabama.

Lane Kiffin

August 23rd, 2010
4:21 pm

UT can’t blame me for being cowards. I recruited a top 10 class and we hung 45 on Jawga. Double D is a chicken sh!t and won’t play nobody, not me.

DAWG07

August 23rd, 2010
4:24 pm

As an avid SEC fan I admit National Championships translates to lots of luck and peaking at the right time. Take AL last year, lots of breaks and luck could have easily lost several games before the big game and got hugh break with UT QB going down early. A good team but not a great team but lots of breaks ”’

TNDave

August 23rd, 2010
4:26 pm

You guys better watch out again for that great KY team that beat you last year! Oh, but I’m sure
the 3-4 defense is just what the doctor ordered! It’s so much fun beating you guys with your own players! Da’rick, Juwan James, Eric Berry, Jamal Lewis, etc… Keep building those great high school players for us. We appreciate it.

Delbert D.

August 23rd, 2010
4:30 pm

UGA is just fine – FSU is #1 in my ACC OOC ranking:

FSU___________Samford, Oklahoma*, BYU, Florida

I ranked Georgia Tech #7:

Ga. Tech_______SC St., Kansas*, MTSU, Georgia*

MTSU is a 3 game, home and home opponent, 10 wins last year including a bowl win. Since I originally did those rankings, 2 things have happened. Turner Gill replaced the maniacal Mark Mangino, and it appears that MTSU’s star QB is in *big* trouble with a police investigation in progress.

Delbert D.

August 23rd, 2010
4:33 pm

Mangino was fired by Kansas for alleged player abuse, charges of bigotry and a litany of related stuff. Makes for a good Google search.

Freddie

August 23rd, 2010
4:34 pm

SEC is deepest, and any conference Mark Richt is in, will be favored, when Richt was in the ACC, FSU & ACC dominated, of course, now that Richt’s in the SEC, the SEC has dominated.

Wherever Mark Richt goes, that’s which conference dominates.

Just the way it is.

J City BDogs

August 23rd, 2010
4:36 pm

Anybody noticed, that when Richt was in the ACC, the ACC & FSU was always in the hunt, and now that Richt’s in the SEC, Georgia & SEC is in the hunt?

It’s a 25 year trend, and Mark Richt is the onyl common denominator.

Baller

August 23rd, 2010
4:37 pm

Freddie-

Good stuff, havn’t thought about that, you’re the first guy to bring that out.

Best post I’ve read in years.

NC Time

August 23rd, 2010
4:39 pm

JCITY, I agree, Saban & Meyer didn’t influuence their conferences the way Mark Richt has, Utah? please, Mich St, don’t think so, Richt’s been the King Pin for the last 25 year sin college football, wherever he goes, that conference dominates.

Double A

August 23rd, 2010
4:39 pm

Is Dooley or Chizik the worse hire?

Both are awful and will be fired within 3-4 years.

J City BDogs

August 23rd, 2010
4:40 pm

Wheever Richt goes, since 1985, that conference is the strongest. Everybody follows Richt, the top Dawg.

Patrick Sulley arrives with his first 3 handles

August 23rd, 2010
4:40 pm

Patrick Sulley alert,

Freddie,
JcityBdogs,
Balller

All 3 are the same person using different handles talking to himself. What a troll. It is the infamous Patrick Sulley

Delbert D.

August 23rd, 2010
4:41 pm

How does anybody explain th 8-1? I explain it this way: It is a coach’s record against a *team* during his tenure. Now that *team* has a different coach. His record against the other *team* is 1-1.

W-L records for current coaches should be against current coaches, mano a mano. Jim Donnan might still be HC at Georgia if Bill Lewis had been give a Paul Hewitt-type contract.

Patrick Sulley arrives with his first 3 handles

August 23rd, 2010
4:41 pm

NC time is Patrick the troll’s 4th handle.

Beast from the East

August 23rd, 2010
4:42 pm

Not sure if it is Patrick or not, but whoever it is is certainly talking to himself! Could this really be Richt’s wife? If not, he certainly appears to want to be!

Freddie

August 23rd, 2010
4:42 pm

Thanks Baller, I’m not sure why no one else has noticed this. Pretty obvious to me, just how influential Mark Richt has been for the last couple of dozen years in college football. Basically, which team he coaches, their conference starts getting noticed by the media, whether Richt’s in the ACC, or SEC.

LHardingDawg

August 23rd, 2010
4:43 pm

TNDave needs to go back to the Knoxville paper. I can’t ever remember Georgia backing out on a football game. Ever!

DawginLex

August 23rd, 2010
4:43 pm

Last Saturday in november 2010

UK 28
UT 24

The drought ends.

NC Time

August 23rd, 2010
4:44 pm

Freddie—

Why don’t people like Herbsteit and Jame son ESPN point this out/ They’re so anti-Georgia, didn’t even vote Georgia top 25 pre-season, absurd, should be firesd for their stupidity.

Baller

August 23rd, 2010
4:45 pm

Yep, you guys are right.

Richt’s in the ACC 1985-2000, ACC is the main conference.

Richt shifts to SEC in 2001-2009, SEC becomes the most influential conference.

Wheever Richt goes, football follows.

Follow the leader, his name is Mark Richt.

Patrick Sulley arrives with his first 4 handles

August 23rd, 2010
4:45 pm

beast of the east,

He’s here. Already talking to himself with his first 4 handles. This troll is easy to detect because his first 3 or 4 handles all agree with each other and they all extoll the virtues of Richt with some off the wall statistic that has nothing to do with nothing. Now he is saying whatever conference Richt is in that conference dominates by simple fact that Richt is in the conference.

Troll detector has found Patrick already he is baller, freddy, nc time, and jcityBdogs

Andy

August 23rd, 2010
4:48 pm

I don’t know why Kirk Herbstriet even has a job after he didn’t vote Mark Richt into the top 25 pre-season, since Richt’s finished in the TOP 10, 19 times in the last 24 seasons. The bias is unreal.

The truth

August 23rd, 2010
4:48 pm

LHardingDawg,

Georgia backed out of a return trip to LA to play UCLA in 1986. UCLA came to Athens in 85 and the dawgs reneged on the return trip. They should have gone because UGA went 50 years without playing a regular season game outside of the friendly confines of the immediate southeast.

Community Organizer

August 23rd, 2010
4:48 pm

As you say 8 SEC teams ranked and 7 ACC, why has no one mentioned that the SEC has more teams?

Delbert D.

August 23rd, 2010
4:49 pm

Time to check out. Blog’s dead. The self-assumed handmaid to Mark Richt as a diety has arrived like a virus.

SEC

August 23rd, 2010
4:49 pm

Community organizer,

Because some things are self evident

Sanders

August 23rd, 2010
4:50 pm

What a nut. Anyone that agrees with Freddie is a fake, sure? We all have to agree with Beast or he goes nuts. Beast has the lamest posts on this blog, his posts are troll like, can’t miss him.

Troll Detector

August 23rd, 2010
4:51 pm

Delbert D.,

You are correct. The troll blogger with all the multiple handles who talks to himself all day and thinks Mark Richt is God has appeared with at least 4 handles already. Its none other than patrick sulley.

Troll Detector

August 23rd, 2010
4:53 pm

Sanders must be handle # 5 for the troll known as Patrick Sulley and today as – Freddie, jcityBdogs, baller, and nc time

The Whole Bandit

August 23rd, 2010
4:54 pm

Agreed, SEC is strongest right now, because Mark Richt’s in the SEC. If Richt switches to any other conference, that conference will become the focus of college football. Since 1985 Richt’s been the central hub for college football’s conference power. That’s an undeniable fact.

Jammer Hammer

August 23rd, 2010
4:55 pm

Uh huh baby, where Richt be, the power in college football be.

Cheese Whiz

August 23rd, 2010
4:57 pm

P.S. Delbert’s posts are lamer than Beast’s, anydays. The guy is clueless when it comes to college football, and rarely post on topic. Yes, the SEC dominates now, and is deep, because Richt’s in the SEC, as any football knows.

Go Vols

August 23rd, 2010
4:58 pm

I don’t like how the decision to drop UNC looks. I like it even less how bad my Vols will be for the next two years (light on talent, tough SEC schedule). I am hopeful that we will return to competitiveness the following year.

Cowbell

August 23rd, 2010
4:58 pm

Hey, why does college football always swing to whichever conference Coach Richt goes to?

Cowbell

August 23rd, 2010
4:59 pm

Whichever game Herbstiet calls, that’s the one all college football fans ignore.

Hello Dolly

August 23rd, 2010
5:01 pm

Hey Delbert-

You checked out a long time ago by the looks of your posts–what a loony poster.

Man Up, Time's Up

August 23rd, 2010
5:03 pm

Look, it’s simple, Mark Richt goes to FSU, ACC dominates college football for 15 years while Richt’s there. Richt goes to Georgia, SEC dominates college football for 9 years.

DawginLex

August 23rd, 2010
5:05 pm

Actually Herbstreit picked auburn to play florida for the SEC but, he did pick UGA as his darkhorse team for the SEC title.

UGA is Just Fine...

August 23rd, 2010
5:05 pm

Freddie
JCity Bdogs
Baller
NC Time
The Whole Bandit
Jammer Hammer
Cheese Whiz
Cowbell

Dude, you’re only fooling yourself. You might want to change up your diction if you want to try to fool anyone. you are as transparent as freshly windexed glass.

Freddie

August 23rd, 2010
5:06 pm

Tony:

The best conference is whichever one Richt’s in, check the stats, since 1985.

Tar Guy

August 23rd, 2010
5:09 pm

Poor Beast, if you don’t agree with him, he labels you in his anti-fan club. Someobody needs a hug.

Buster

August 23rd, 2010
5:11 pm

UGA is Just Fine–

Thanks for trolling now you can leave.

Back to the tpoic, never noticed just how influential Mark Richt has been for the last 2 decades, good stuff Freddie, you’re a genius man.

Chad

August 23rd, 2010
5:15 pm

Great analysis here…take the pre-season polls to determine “depth” in conferences. Let me know what year the ACC has ever had depth…let alone when they have had depth after the first month of the season…joke.

Freddie

August 23rd, 2010
5:15 pm

ACC wasn’t hot, until Richt got there, SEC wasn’t hot, until Richt got there.

ED

August 23rd, 2010
5:16 pm

Chad,

What in the world are you blogging about–can you try to fit into a conversation?

Game Changer

August 23rd, 2010
5:22 pm

I love to watch Gary Danielson call a football game. The man knows the game.

He says Georgia will be the surprise team in 2010.

http://blogs.ajc.com/barnhart-college-football/2009/08/11/danielson-georgia-will-be-the-surprise-team-of-sec/

KC

August 23rd, 2010
5:35 pm

Boca -My thoughts aren’t delusional as they are accurate. Again, the SEC is a very good conference and, for that matter, UGA has a very good football program in terms of success on the field. I’m not arguing that. I still consider what PJ has done at Georgia Tech a big success. Any rational person would not argue that.

Rear sniffer

August 23rd, 2010
5:37 pm

You can tell a complete moron. They all have dawg or dog in their screen name. Stinkin fools.

Rear sniffer

August 23rd, 2010
5:39 pm

Chad wouldn’t know depth in ANY facet of his miserable life.

Big Tech

August 23rd, 2010
6:09 pm

Tennessee dropped UNC because they know that they can just embarass the pups as usual.

bamaguy

August 23rd, 2010
6:12 pm

I”m trying to follow the logic here. RIcht is responsible for Florida, LSU and Alabama’s success in the SEC?

bob

August 23rd, 2010
6:44 pm

Has the ACC ever won a BCS game?

Coolest in the Clutch

August 23rd, 2010
6:55 pm

Hey Tony,

Is Todd McShay of ESPN and the National Fooiball League one and the same ?

Please tell Doug Roberson of the AJC your answer.

matt

August 23rd, 2010
6:57 pm

The same ACC who only has 2 BCS wins in it’s history is the 2nd deepest conference? I’ll believe that when I see it.

messin with sasquatch

August 23rd, 2010
7:21 pm

by SEC you mean Florida, Alabama, and the pretenders? You get past the first two teams and the dropoff is so bad it stinks.

Gen. Forrest

August 23rd, 2010
7:27 pm

I love listening to the SEC homer trailer-dwellers here. Newsflash for ya— One team does NOT make a good conference!! The SEC has NEVER won anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Only individual teams can win. Ok, UF and Bama have been dominant the past 3 seasons (I won’t even bother mentioning LSU because that was a fluke!) — but the rest of the SEC has been mediocre-to-lousy at best, and UF is on the downward slope. It all goes in cycles. The SEC will dominate for a while, then the ACC will dominate for a while, then the Big-12 will dominate, etc, etc. But ya just gotta laugh at the SEC crowd who thinks that their conference is so tough, because it is NOT. Only 1 or 2 teams are tough, the rest are no better than average. But ya’ll just keep on drinking that kool-aid guys. Living on past glory is better than nothing at all, I suppose……………….

17 of 20

August 23rd, 2010
7:32 pm

Florida will have the best defense and that is all I care about.

ACC Fan

August 23rd, 2010
7:33 pm

Tony you will always go with the SEC. That is who pays the bills for you. I would asy the ACC is definatly deeper. Look at the past and see the SEC is a three trick pony (LSU, FL, and ALA). Those guys dominate the SEC. But in the ACC it is anybodys race to win the ACC. Balance is the KEY. Who is a more balanced conference. You have to go with the ACC.

Gen. Forrest

August 23rd, 2010
7:34 pm

Freddie — you mean the same Mark Richt who has LOST 2 of every 3 games he has ever coached against teams that actually FINISH in the top 25???? Ya, nice record for the ‘ol preacher man — until you consider who his wins have been against!

Lewis Grizzard

August 23rd, 2010
7:38 pm

TNdave has selective memory. He counts just the games that are lopsided in UT’s favor. Count the entire decade Dave GA won 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2005, and 2008. Virtually splitting W/L’s. Stop soap-boxing and just let it lie. Most Georgia people on here were defending Tennessee until you started spouting off. It was mostly ACC people giving you hell for dodging NC. Chill.

CrackDaddy

August 23rd, 2010
7:39 pm

Yea, the SEC is real tough. To wit, Tn whupped the dawg s*** out of UGa. How tough is that?

Gen Neyland

August 23rd, 2010
7:43 pm

Simple answer. Depends on which side of the debate your affections are located.

Topp Dawg : CDD is really starting things out on a fresh foot. His. I wouldn’t fault him whatsoever for marking through all prescheduled OOC games and beginning anew. No big deal. Geez, like it never has happened anywhere before…

Lewis Grizzard

August 23rd, 2010
7:52 pm

Gen. Forest, When exactly has the ACC dominated? I mean, barring FSU (and several of their glory years were pre-ACC), who else has “dominated” in the ACC. Further, how do you come up with the statement that Coach Richt has lost 2 of every 3 games against teams that finish in the top 25. That’s sheer nonsense. And last, if you remember, Mark Richt coached and did the Offensive play-calling in the ACC on every (dominating) FSU team that beat up on the rest of you hangers-on …pretty consistently as I remember.

Lewis Grizzard

August 23rd, 2010
7:54 pm

Uh.. Crackdaddy… Tennessee is IN the SEC.

Lewis Grizzard

August 23rd, 2010
7:57 pm

One more thing Crack, After Tennessee beat Georgia, Georgia ‘whupped’ the ‘dawg s***’ out of your team. So, I’d stick to basketball bragging if I were you. Oh wait… you can’t brag there either.

Bill

August 23rd, 2010
7:57 pm

“The kid shouldn’t find out this late in the game” – I think the NCAA has a lot of work to do and not enough man power to work as well as it wants but it got around to this and uncovered a violation. It’s fair game, Tony. Better now…..than 5,4, or 3 days before the opener too

Lewis Grizzard

August 23rd, 2010
8:08 pm

Nobody talking?

Lewis Grizzard

August 23rd, 2010
8:09 pm

Everybody finished? Okay. I guess everyone said all they had to say so with that… I’ll bid you all Good Night!

Beast from the East

August 23rd, 2010
8:12 pm

Gen. Forrest,
How is UF on a downward slope. They finished the last two years with 13-1 records. 2008 won the BCS. 2009 only loss was to the undefeated national champs and dominated Cincy in the Sugar Bowl. 2010 top 5 pre-season ranking. How is that considered a downward slope? I guess they would have had to win the Super Bowl last year to go anywhere but down.

Beast from the East

August 23rd, 2010
8:15 pm

The ACC has not dominated college football in my lifetime. I will agree that they are one of the most balanced conferences in the country, but dominant? Hasn’t happened and until they start to respresent themselves better in their BCS games, they will not be taken seriously on a national level.

GT VET

August 23rd, 2010
8:15 pm

LOL @RX dog,,yes peanut, dog is spelled DOG…u idiot.try reading (i know its tough for a uga boy)the article instead of making nitwit comments.It said he would sit out a year at East Carolina .Who has the Toughest Conference? We wont know until the end of the season..PERIOD!!The SEC has a hand up at this point,but they also have the likes of Miss,Miss st,Ken,SC,tenn ,ga and vandy,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Ala,Fla,and LSU ARE the SEC..Period.Ga. and GT games are Rival games as is Clemson and SC,but you try and use that as some kind of measuring stick of SEC vs ACC? So I guess that year before last when Ga. was preseason #1..LOL,LOL,GT was REALLY preseason #1.Some kids will never grow up.BUT in the end who freaking cares whos Conference is stronger?? Any of yall getting any money from a strong Conference??Right didnt think so..I am for GT.I could care less about FSU,Clemson,BC or any other ACC team until they play GT.argue on..SEC lies and videotape,You are Right on .as stated Ala,LSU and Fla. are the SEC but look what they do to kids lives to get there……GO JACKETS!!!

Dick Baddour

August 23rd, 2010
8:24 pm

Dear Mike Hamilton,

Thanks for pulling out of our home and home. Please send $750,000 as a certified check to my attention at
Dean E. Smith Center
300 Skipper Bowles Drive
Chapel Hill, NC 27514

PS – Don’t bother asking us for a home and home series in basketball. We wouldn’t want to bruise your egos too badly.

Beast from the East

August 23rd, 2010
8:26 pm

Dick Baddour,
Man, that’s cold. Funny, but cold.

Delbert D.

August 23rd, 2010
8:29 pm

Gen Neyland – I did a post about the number of returning starters for Tennessee based on what I could skim from the media guide. The cumulative stats for 2009 PDF do not show starts by player per game like most other school sites. My post is probably is buried so deep in the trash on this blog, it was missed. About how many for the Vols, do you think?

JT

August 23rd, 2010
8:30 pm

Tennessee football=over. They should probably just shut down the school.

Delbert D.

August 23rd, 2010
8:32 pm

GT VET – I’m guessing you are a veteran, not a veterinarian, so thanks, man. Cold War guy, myself, run silent run deep.

RJ

August 23rd, 2010
8:34 pm

Without football, there isn’t much reason for Tennessee to exist. Certainly not an academic powerhouse either.

Paul in RDU

August 23rd, 2010
8:51 pm

what? @2:33 pm
“UGA is the ONLY school to boast multiple SB MVPs”

Oh really??? Ever hear of Tom Brady and Desmond Howard (Michigan)? How about Jim Plunkett and John Elway? Ottis Anderson and Ray Lewis (Miami)? You have heard of Bart Starr and Joe Namath but maybe you didn’t realize they both played at Alabama

Troll detector

August 23rd, 2010
8:52 pm

Where did the Mark Richt is the greatest troll go off to? Bedtime curfew I hope. Today I think he used 7 different handles by someone else’s count.

Brad

August 23rd, 2010
8:55 pm

I doubt Mark Richt pays much attention to the drivel on the AJC and resulting comments.

Tide Rising

August 23rd, 2010
8:57 pm

Paul in RDU,

Dang Paul you zinged that boy with stuff I didn’t even know bout Bama football. I had forgotten about Bart Starr and Namath both winning MVPs.

LHardingDawg

August 23rd, 2010
8:59 pm

Georgia and South Carolina proved who had the best conference. We did’nt even need the big boy’s Florida and Alabama.

Paul in RDU

August 23rd, 2010
9:05 pm

Tide Rising – SB’s I, II and III MVP’s – pretty impressive for former Bama players
People seem to think the NFL began with ESPN but it’s been around a long time.
Heck – I just found some more schools with multiple SB MVP’s – Purdue (Brees and Dawson), Southern Cal (Swann and Allen)

Beast from the East

August 23rd, 2010
9:06 pm

Can’t they ban that guy from posting? He uses like 10-15 different names and talks to himself. Really needs help.

Paul in RDU

August 23rd, 2010
9:09 pm

Beast – Best thing to do with the guy is ignore him.

Beast from the East

August 23rd, 2010
9:12 pm

Yeah, I know. I’m telling you, if I was Richt I’d be worried. That guy has “stalker” written all over him! LOL!

LHardingDawg

August 23rd, 2010
9:21 pm

The Truth 4:48 post – You need to get your facts straight, Georgia beat UCLA 18-8 in 1983 on a nationally televised ABC game. Feel free to check it out on you tube. To show my age, I was there as a new season ticket holder.

Paul in RDU

August 23rd, 2010
9:26 pm

LHardingDawg – I think The Truth’s point is that he claims that UGA backed out of a return game against UCLA. I have no idea whether they backed out of one, but I do know that UGA didn’t play UCLA out there.

Back Door Man

August 23rd, 2010
9:35 pm

Ash, your real name is Ash Hole.

LHardingDawg

August 23rd, 2010
9:36 pm

The only SEC team I can ever recall backing out of a game is Auburn backing out of a game with Florida State. I also remember a lot of Auburn people were really upset. Their sentiment was to play the game, if you win and you might, it helps the program. If you back out, the program hurts. Georgia, to my knowledge, has never backed out of a game.

Jacketman

August 23rd, 2010
10:08 pm

Until some conference can prove otherwise, in football it has to be the SEC…now basketball…well

Tide Rising

August 23rd, 2010
10:14 pm

LHardingDawg,

Georgia did in fact back out of a return trip to UCLA. Supposedly it was because UCLA couldn’t guarantee set number of tickets sold or a set number of tickets upon which the gate receipts would be split. I’m not really sure the reason but a dawg buddy of mine told me once. It had something to do with tickets sold and not the allotment Georgia was to receive. Who cares anyway if it was back in the 80s?

Beast I’m with you on the troll that posts the same drivel every day about Richt using 7 or 8 different handles. This guy is just plain nutty with a stalker type mentality- he has already deified Mark Richt.Best thing to do is ignore him. I just acknowledged to him one day that Saban sucks and that Richt is the best coach in the NCAA and poof- he just disappeared like a genie back to his bottle.

Tide Rising

August 23rd, 2010
10:20 pm

LHardingDawg,

Auburn backed out of the FSU game because sure enough it would be a beatdown and because it just would have bad feelings around the game anyway because of Terry getting fired. Even if AU had been playing at the level FSU was playing at in those days I still think they would have canceled the game just due to the ill feelings with the Bowdens and all.

Alabama asked Penn State to reschedule our series in the mid 2000s. We had just went on the second worst probation ever losing 21 scholly players and we had just played OU back to back and UCLA back to back. It was felt that we would not be competitive with Penn State given the personnel decimated teams we fielded in the early to mid 2000s. Penn State was nice enough to let us out of the contract and reschedule for a time frame when we would be back at full strength.

jumbeauxtiger

August 23rd, 2010
11:30 pm

I think it looks bad that the Vols backed out of the UNC series. Hamilton should be canned. Kiffin did some damage but the program had lost its luster before he got there. Unfortunately the Kiffin fallout has made things worse and it may be 2013 before the Vols are contenders again. It’s too bad as UT has a great tradition and very passionalte fans.

I have to admit the ACC looks like it will be a strong league this season. I don’t think there is a dominating team though to make it to the BCS title game.

There has been so much on this board about who is ranked where and who did or didn’t get votes. All of that is meaningless now. I believe there will be some major surprises and there will be some who the so called experts have ranked who will be big dissapointments.

Palladin

August 23rd, 2010
11:44 pm

Preseason rankings are fairly meaningless. They reflect the previous season + guesswork.

It won’t be long now before we get to find out who’s really got what. I’m ready!

David Granger

August 24th, 2010
12:26 am

I’m an SEC fan, so anything I say has to be viewed through that prism. But one thing that makes me proud of the SEC is that the conference still shares revenue equally, and you don’t see the big “Football Factory” schools…who often bring in the most revenue…bitching about it. The Big 12 does not share revenue equally…and even then Texas complained. UT seems to think that, since they bring in a lot more revenue than, say, Iowa State…then to hell with the rest of you pissant schools. So now the Big 12…over a barrel…is going to let Texas keep the lion’s share of its income.
You wouldn’t see Alabama or Tennessee or Florida or Georgia or LSU complaining and bitching about Vanderbilt and Mississippi getting an equal share. And I’m proud of our conference for keeping it that way.

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August 24th, 2010
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BuLLdawg

August 24th, 2010
2:39 am

Tony Blowhart, what is this crap you perpetuate that the ACC is DEEP ?

“We” can argue who is the Best Conference all day long Tony Blowhart ?

No sir.

Only you can make a fool of yourself with your HOMER statements annually about the ACC because you grew up in North Carolina long before there was even an ACC.

You have got to be kidding that we should please follow you on Twitter.

ACC 12-15 record last season against other BCS Conference opponents.

SEC 15-8 record last season against other BCS Conference opponents.

In the last 6 years, half a dozen, The SEC has Won 4 National Championships in a ROW and frankly 5 of the last 6.

The ACC has 0 and has averaged for the highest ranked team in the Final AP Poll, OUTSIDE the Top 10 at # 11.

BuLLdawg

August 24th, 2010
3:01 am

Tide Rising and Beast, the Wannabe Christian who deifies Coach Richt as the 3rd best college football coach in this the history of football or the 7th best, you are welcome to agree with him all you want so that poof he goes back into his genie bottle.

For 1, I will always read his posts, take his points which were originally written by Chris Low 5 years ago when Coach Richt won The SEC Championship in 2005 to END HIS RUN in coaching forever, and point out to him as even he admits that he “EXTRAPOLATED” that story by Chris Low to today by changing it updating it but leaving the points then as true today. They ARE NOT.

He admitted it to me.

The Strategy that WORKS is to tell him he is full of B.S. when in fact since his last trip even to The SEC Championship Game was 2005 and since this is now 2010 with 2011 facing the loss after this 2010 season of 15 seniors and 4-5 juniors all starters, that Coach Richt TODAY finds 18 teams he does NOT have more wins than over the last 4 years.

18

We should prey upon on opponents, not pray.

His name is patrick

Still@theBAR

August 24th, 2010
3:36 am

The SEC has to be the best conference! Just look at the weak Lil OOC teams that are beating down the SEC’s door to get KILLED and pick-up a paycheck.

12-2

August 24th, 2010
4:04 am

Coach Richt is 17-19 vs Top 25 Final AP Poll teams the year he played them.

Why lie and say he lost 2 of 3 games against them ?

He has lost 2 of 3, actually worse than that, of games against Top 10 Final AP Poll teams with 0 victories in ANY bowl game ever against all of those teams, and Coach Richt has Lost 8 of 11 games against Top 10 Final AP Poll teams in his entire tenure, now starting year 10.

Also, you say that Coach Richt has been beating weak-sisters. Really ? Then, why has Coach Richt LOST to eight (8) teams in 9 years who ended the season, even with their victory over UGA, NOT RANKED in Top 25 Final AP Poll ?

Look at The SEC East for example over the last 4 years. There is 1 Opponent for UGA over this timeframe, yet Coach Richt is 10-10 vs SEC East over the last 4 years. At HOME, 3-4 LOSING RECORD vs SEC East the last 4 years. You want to try to explain to me, just WHO IN THE HELL has been a great team for UGA at HOME in The SEC East the last 4 years ?

I didn’t think so. We will have a great year this 2010 season at 12-2, but then after this season, we lose 15 seniors and 4-5 juniors, so 2011 will be right back to finding AGAIN 18 teams whom Coach Richt does NOT have more wins than, the same 18 teams whom Coach Richt does NOT have more wins than over the last 4 years coming into this 1-year window.

12-2

August 24th, 2010
4:54 am

The ACC has NO great team. NONE.

Over the last 6 years.

6 years in a Row, the ACC has NO great team.

When your best team is ranked OUTSIDE the Top 10 Final AP Poll, you are NOT BALANCED, you are instead a conference with NO great team, EVER.

The SEC in 2004 six years ago 2 in the Top 10 Final AP Poll

The ACC in 2004 six year ago had 1 and they were # 10.

The SEC in 2005 five yrs ago had 3 in Top 10 Final AP Poll

The ACC in 2005 five yrs ago had 1 and they were # 7

The SEC in 2006 four yrs ago had 3 in the Top 10 Final AP Poll

The ACC in 2006 four yrs ago had 0 & top-ranked ACC was # 18

The SEC in 2007 three yrs ago had 2 both # 1 and # 2

The ACC in 2007 three yrs ago had 1 and they were # 10

The SEC in 2008 two yrs ago had 2

The ACC in 2008 two yrs ago had 0 & top-ranked ACC was # 15

The SEC in 2009 last year had 2 both # 1 and # 3

The ACC in 2009 last year had 1 and they were # 10

Average finish for the top-ranked ACC team over last 6 yrs is # 11

Average finish for The SEC top-ranked team is NC 5 of the 6 yrs

Yeah, you can really argue that Tony Blowhart, pan-handling to the ACC fans (both of them)

12-2

August 24th, 2010
4:55 am

This does not make the ACC more balanced, what it makes the ACC is IRRELEVANT.

Moreover, there has only been 1 ACC team the last 6 years who has been any good whatsoever, Virginia Tech.

Virginia Tech. Who the hell follows Virginia Tech ? No one because they average a ranking over these last six years WAY OUTSIDE of a HOST of MORE BALANCED SEC TEAMS.

Over the last half a dozen years now today, only 1 ACC team has been any good at all Virginia Tech, and they have been NOT GREAT ANY YEAR.

That’s a balanced conference ?

Or, that is a lousy conference ?

Duh.

You LOSE your games to all the other BCS Conferences

You LOSE your bowl games to other BCS Conferences

You do NOT have ANY team ranked in the Top 10 even

You cannot recruit

You do NOT send your players to the NFL

You have NO ONE who attends your games

You have NO ONE who follows your “teams”

You LOSE your bowl games

You do NOT get ranked highly

12-2

August 24th, 2010
4:56 am

You play weak schedules

You are no fun to watch

You have the worst TV ratings of any conference

You have no school EVER on the Top Party School List

Going to your “games” is a waste of time with no 1 there

Your Conference CHUMPionship is BLOODY JOKE

SECond to NO ONE especially the itty-bitty schools of ACC

You are too spread out and nobody cares nobody bothers

You are NOBODIES with 1 NOBODY who is the best of your entire ragtag group of NOBODIES.

Every year, you come in here and tell us what you are going to do

Then, DON’T.

12-2

August 24th, 2010
5:02 am

6 years ACC has had 4 Top 10 Final AP Poll ranked teams

6 years SEC has had 14 Top 10 Final AP Poll ranked teams

You can argue that Tony Blowhart ?

Good Luck

12-2

August 24th, 2010
5:31 am

I’d like to address the AJ-C comment this morning on the Front Page continued on Metro Front Page and then Metro page 4 that the Stimulus Bill statements by Republicans IS TRUE, that it has NOT created jobs, since there are IN FACT over a million LOST JOBS since it was passed by the Democrats.

You MISS the point, AJ-C as per usual – like Tony Blowhart daily.

We were told that it WOULD CREATE JOBS, get America back employed. If instead, 6 goverment workers were HIRED causing the public sector to LOSE 9 jobs, THEN THERE HAS BEEN NO JOBS CREATED.

You “created” 6 government jobs by taxing the HELL out of all of us, especially the small business man who is responsible for job GROWTH.

When you hired the 6 goverment workers, he had to FIRE 9 of his.

This is NOT a barely true statement and your LIES to the contrary MISS THE POINT.

It’s like ALL of Tony Barnhart’s statements on the AJ-C.

They are ALL NOT TRUE.

There isn’t EVEN a doubt about it

ckgator

August 24th, 2010
5:46 am

UT ducking UNC is the WRONG decision. Have some faith in the program, Hamilton! If they go 0-2 against the ‘Heels so what? At least they are not seen as cowards.

The Vols have been on a backward slide for 2 years. Hamilton blew the way he handled Fulmer, made the all-time worst hire in college football by hiring Kiffin (I said it then, when every UT fan ran out to buy their “It’s Time” t-shirt), and is making Big Orange look Bigger Yellow.

Vol fans – Hamilton is a turd and the cause of all your problems. Your athletic program is dragging the SEC East into the mud. Please fire him and bring some respect back to our half of America’s best conference.

Go Gators!

PS – this is what you get for EVER backing Kiffin. Still can’t believe you fell for that PoS.

12-2

August 24th, 2010
6:23 am

2 years of a backward slide ?

B.S.

Coach Richt has had the higher ranked team than the vols EVERY YEAR since the 1st year when he BEAT the vols in 2001.

vols have NOT BEEN THE SAME SINCE the hob-nailed boot to Verron Hayenes WIDE OPEN in the cut down checkerboard end zone.

That was 9 years ago now this season ckgator

You have ruled the SEC East, a sub-conference of but 1 opponent for UGA, who nonetheless have a LOSING RECORD at HOME vs SEC East teams the last 4 years, losers to the vols 3 of the last 4 years.

In fact, half this time, the vols have BEAT Coach Richt, despite the fact that the vols were the WORSE-RANKED TEAM compared to UGA since this game that changed the face of vols’ football.

The vols ALWAYS played weak schedules, forever. The fact that Florida has ALWAYS played weak schedules too, does NOT make the vols and Florida GREAT.

Because Coach Richt is 2-7 vs Florida, does not mean that the vols have been the better team in The SEC East than UGA 1 SINGLE YEAR of the years after 2001.

You wishing the vols could be good so that Florida is seen as a better team are NOT WASTED ON ME.

The vols suck and you know it, and it has GONE ON SINCE the day of the Hob-nail boot in 2001 this this very day unabated.

By the way, the GPOE only won 1 SEC Championship as the Starting Quarterback for the Crocodiles.

You are FOS

FORTY ONE POINTS to your seventeen points

August 24th, 2010
7:37 am

12-2 get a life.

((((((((((((((((41-17))))))))))))))

Len

August 24th, 2010
8:08 am

Wow! Didn’t know UT grads could use numbers and parenthesis like that!

Soy Boy

August 24th, 2010
8:59 am

Whoever says Richt’s record against top 25 teams is 17-19 is wrong. It’s actually 29-19 and a .600 winning percentage, which is one of the best in the country.

Simple Simon

August 24th, 2010
9:03 am

Coahc Richt’ record in his 1st 9 years, BLOWS AWAY Nick Saban’s record in Saban’s 1st 9 years. Comparing Saban’s years 15 & 16, to Richt’s years 8 & 9, is not comparing apples to apples.

Simple Simon

August 24th, 2010
9:13 am

Let’s compare Saban’s 1st 9 years as a head coach to Richt’s 1st 9 years as a Head Coach.

Win %
Saban .638
Richt .769

Top 10 Finishes
Saban 1
Richt 6

Top 3 Finishes
Saban 0
Richt 2

Simple Simon

August 24th, 2010
9:21 am

Richt’s 1st 9 years vs. Bear Bryant’s 1st 9 Years:

Win %:
Bear- .690
Richt- .769

Top 10 Finishes
Bear- 1
Richt- 6

National Championships
Bear- 1
Richt-0

Whorukidding?

August 24th, 2010
9:28 am

Instead of complaining about the NCAA clearinghouse, how about let’s get some real students into these colleges and then worry about football and other sports later?…They bend the academic standards too much at most D1 schools anyway and I dont know many real students who take a bunch of online high school classes…the kid was taking some legitimate student athlete’s place and it’s good they weeded him out regardless of when they did it.

Speed Racer

August 24th, 2010
12:31 pm

RE: UT v. UNC — Back in the 70’s and early 80’s, Bobby Bowden would play anybody, anywhere to build his program. Now, Dooley is trying to re-build UT. Backing out of UNC does not help. So what if he gets a win over Buffalo and that allows UT to play in Shreveport. Does that help?

Frank

August 24th, 2010
12:32 pm

RxDawg, you can be ashamed all you want about UT being in the SEC, but they whipped the Dawgs last year and have actually done a lot of whipping 3 out of the last 4. There needs to be some sort of respect there. After all, Georgia decided to man up a few years ago and play their first non-bowl game out of the south in 60 years. That’s some real ducking.

Judge Roy Bean

August 24th, 2010
1:07 pm

DIDN’T THE VOLS LAY A MAJOR AZZ SMACKDOWN ON THE PUPS LAST YEAR? LAST YEAR IS ALL THAT COUNTS. AND THIS YEAR. 2 YEARS AGO DOESN’T EVEN COUNT. THAT IS MY RULING!!!!!!!!!!

factoid

August 24th, 2010
1:21 pm

Simple – you forgot national championships: Saban – 2 Richt – 0. I’d take Saban drunk over Richt anyday.

factoid

August 24th, 2010
1:24 pm

Revenue sharing is SOCIALISM!!!!!!!! Pure and simple. Commies!

Pete

August 24th, 2010
1:36 pm

Hamilton better hope UT beets Buffalo…Wonder what would happen if UT lost to Buffalo? Knowing his luck, Hamilton gets promoted to UT president…

ATL Vol

August 24th, 2010
1:50 pm

UT is scared to play north carolina? Are you serious? I may wear a bag over my head at the UT martin game in shame.

Freddie

August 24th, 2010
2:39 pm

Tony:

It’s like I said earlier, whichever conference Richt’s been in, since 1985, the power in college football has shifted to. ACC from 85-00, SEC from 01-09.

Saban didn’t shift power to his conference at Mich St, nor did Meyer at Utah. Richt alone has been the central peg for college fotball conference power shifts for the last 25 years.

JO

August 24th, 2010
2:54 pm

UT Martin has a football team, really?

R Pitts

August 24th, 2010
2:55 pm

You have asked which conference is best. At this point in history, why even ask that question? It is kinda obvious. Maybe it just happens to be the conference that has won 4 national titles in a row. Dumb topic for discussion. Next time, pick some thing a little more challenging and open for debate.

LL

August 24th, 2010
3:11 pm

Best conference? Wherever Coach Mark Richt is.

Palladin

August 24th, 2010
8:53 pm

Heaping praise on Coach Richt in this, his final season, is a noble undertaking indeed. Too bad Tubby already took that job in Texas…

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GatorNation1

August 25th, 2010
9:01 pm

dawgfan

September 1st, 2010
10:17 am

Need we even bring this up again? Every year it seems that someone desires to question who the best conference in college football is – and every year the SEC proves who that conference is. And, for the last four years it has done so with a big fat exclamation point.

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