Relax UT fans: Kiffin said he did nothing wrong

It was was busy weekend with training camp in full swing. So what did we learn?

1. Relax Tennessee fans. Kiffin said he did nothing wrong:  Tennessee athletics director Mike Hamilton acknowledged at the end of last week that the school may receive a letter of inquiry from the NCAA. My experience is when the school says a letter is coming, it’s probably already in the mail. Tennessee has already self-reported six minor recruiting violations by Kiffin and his staff. NCAA investigators looked into actions by the school’s recruiting hostess program when Kiffin was head coach for 14 unforgettable months. Kiffin left for USC last Janaury but he is proving to be the gift that keeps on giving.

We now know that NCAA investigators were on campus last spring talking to Tennessee  coaches who were part of Kiffin’s staff but remained in Knoxville when he bolted for the West Coast.

“I have great confidence in what we did there, that we didn’t do anything wrong,” Kiffin told reporters over the weekend. “Just because they’re looking into something doesn’t mean we did anything wrong.”

Well, if I’m a Tennessee fan I know I feel a lot better.

2.  SEC West,  ACC Coastal the best: I said in a speech last week that the two top divisions in college football this season would be the SEC West and the ACC Coastal. The first USA Today Coaches Poll proves that out. Four teams in the SEC West (No. 1 Alabama, No. 16 LSU, No. 19 Arkansas, and No. 23 Auburn) were ranked as were four teams in the ACC Coastal (No. 7 Virginia Tech, No. 13 Miami, No. 17 Georgia Tech, No. 18 North Carolina). The round robin in those two divisions will be appointment football this season.

For those of you who are keeping score at home (and I know you are) the SEC had six total teams ranked (No. 3 Florida and No. 21 Georgia From the East) while the ACC had five (Florida State of the Atlantic Division was No. 20)

3. Give Nick Saban credit. He’s consistent: When I met with Alabama coach Nick Saban back in the spring, he made the case to me that Alabama probably shouldn’t be considered the nation’s No. 1 team in the preseason. He made a very logical argument based on the number of starters he would have to replace on defense (9) and the fact that his special teams were simply decimated and he would likely have true freshmen at both kicking spots.

When the coaches poll came out Friday Alabama received 55 of 59 first place votes. One of the four coaches who did not vote Alabama at No. 1 was Saban.

Note: I’m putting the finishing touches on my preseason Top 25. We will release it over five days–five teams a day–starting on Monday, Aug. 16. The top five will be released on Friday, August. 20.

4. Is “grayshirting” fair to the kids? Kevin Scarbinsky wrote a thoughtful piece on the practice of  “grayshirting” players. It’s the practice of signing more than the allotted 25 players with the knowledge that it is a numbers game. If you sign 28 (which is the SEC limit) and all 28 qualify academically, three guys are going to get left without a scholarship. Those three have to pay their own way to school in the fall with the promise that a scholarship will await them in January.

Kevin believes that is not fair to the players and their families who sign in good faith. The counter argument is this is just part of doing business at this level of college football.

Seems to me that if the school is transparent and as long as everybody understands the risks involved up front, then the process is acceptable. If the player and his family are genuinely surprised when he doesn’t get a scholarship in August, then there is a problem. Read Kevin’s story and tell me what you think:

 http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/08/scarbinsky_late_grayshirts_a_b.html

5.  Be careful with that “we’re a better team” argument: I know what Florida’s Chris Rainey was trying to say when he told Pat Dooley of the Gainesville Sun that the Gators would be better off this season without all those “prima donnas” from 2009.

http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20100805/COLUMNISTS/100809707/1044?Title=Rainey-Gators-better-off-without-prima-donnas-

The point young Mr. Rainey was attempting to make was that this team does not have as many high-profile and NFL ready players as last season’s team, which lost quarterback Tim Tebow and five NFL draft choices from the defense. Because so many “name” players are gone this team has to bond in order to be better than the sum of its parts. I get that.

But also know that this was the argument that Georgia made in 2009 after quarterback Matt Stafford, the No. 1 pick in the NFL Draft, and running back Knowshon Moreno, the No. 12 pick in the draft, were gone.

Bonding and working together are very important in college football. But you can carry that argument to the extreme. There is no substitute for talent. It’s hard to have a good team without good players. It’s REALLY hard to have a great team without great players.

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341 comments Add your comment

DeepDiver

August 9th, 2010
5:18 am

al beeski

August 9th, 2010
5:24 am

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al beeski

August 9th, 2010
5:26 am

tony u meant auburn…right?

17 of 20

August 9th, 2010
5:34 am

The Gators will be a better team this tear Tony. They have better players and the players are better coached than the other schools in the conference.

TommyP

August 9th, 2010
6:31 am

Arkansas has two slots in the top 25????? They must be damn good.

So the Coaches Preseason Poll proved your prediction was right? A preseason poll proved your theory of which two divisions are the best in college football? That’s asinine.

And please….you’re worse than the typical “namedropper” everyone has encountered at some point. You don’t need to include that you made a speech before revealing a prediction. And how many times do you have to tell us that you talked to a certain coach…….

Dude, you’re so full of yourself. “Mr. College Football?” The Yahoo college football blog does a much better job.

UF 89

August 9th, 2010
6:34 am

I also get what Rainey was talking about, but I also see this every year from teams across the nation – these young men talking are doing just that – talking. Regardless of what is being said by the team in Aug – you still have to have the talent and coaching in Sept. The gelling team is a bonus.

Gators “better” this year (D lost excellent pass rush and receivers still unknown)? Hard to see that, but they will be a good team never the less.

The season is finally upon us, gents!

Auburn Man

August 9th, 2010
6:40 am

Saban just doesn’t want his Elephants looking past games worrying about being number one. It doesn’t take long to slip down the pole. Florida, Arkansas and hopefully my Tigers are “appointments” Bama has to keep and can easily drop one or two.

Dip Stick

August 9th, 2010
6:42 am

To TommyP why read a blog you don’t like? Stop taking up space on a blog the rest of us respect. Stay on yahoo. You are one so go be one.

Dip Stick

August 9th, 2010
6:45 am

To TommyP ….Trust me when I say, people on this blog don’t want to listen to the opinion of a schmuck that starts a sentence with the word “Dude”.

F-105 Thunderchief

August 9th, 2010
7:24 am

Whenever Lame Kitten’s gums are a-flappin’ (which is always), there’s a stream of bull flitter coming out. Be afraid, Vols fans, be very afraid. Hamilton is looking really bad.

Spike

August 9th, 2010
7:26 am

Kiffin says he did nothing wrong? Well, there you have it. That should be enough for the NCAA, right? And Slick Willie said, as he wagged his finger at us, “I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky..”

Dooley the Vol

August 9th, 2010
7:34 am

Fumer for AD.

Charlie Bama

August 9th, 2010
7:40 am

Lane Kiffin is a massive pant load of arrogance and footfall ineptitude of near-Biblical proportions and football fandom should do everything within its collective ability to discourage him. Just sayin’ America . . .

Beast from the East

August 9th, 2010
7:41 am

1…..Kiffin is a scumbag. That being said, I have mixed emotions about the investigation at UT. On the one hand, I say let them get what they deserve for hiring him. On the other, I say I hope it’s nothing big because they cannot afford to be decimated any worse than they already have been.
2…..No argument there based on the pre-season polls. Let’s see how it plays out over the course of the season, though.
3…..Saban’s just sand-bagging. They all do it.
4…..I don’t like the “grayshirting” practice. Either offer the kid a full ride or leave them alone so they can sign with another school that is willing to. Just a real shady practice all the way around.
5…..UF will be better than last year? I seriously doubt it. They would have to go 14-0 to accomplish that feat. Don’t see THAT happening with the schedule we have and the questions we still have to answer. Rainey would be better served to immerse himself into the playbook and learn his new role this year instead of making quotes.
Go Gators!

[...] When I met with Alabama coach Nick Saban back in the spring, he made the case to me that Alabama probably shouldn’t be considered the nation’s No. 1 team in the preseason. He made a very logical argument based on the number of starters he would have to replace on defense (9) and the fact that his special teams were simply decimated and he would likely have true freshmen at both kicking spots. When the coaches poll came out Friday Alabama received 55 of 59 first place votes. One of the four coaches who did not vote Alabama at No. 1 was Saban. [More] [...]

Charlie Bama

August 9th, 2010
7:43 am

Lane Kiffin and Al Gore separated at birth, but soon reunited on the stage of publicly-displayed chumpery and eventually deep in the dumpster of global scammery. Still Just Sayin’….

Charlie Bama

August 9th, 2010
7:47 am

Hey, Tony: Changed my mind. TommyP and Al Gore separated at birth. Good luck boys!

Paddy

August 9th, 2010
7:48 am

Tommy P…go somewhere else then, dude!! What a Maroon!!

Gator Mike

August 9th, 2010
7:55 am

I also have mixed emotions about the potential problems facing UT as a result of hiring kiffin. However, there are a lot of good Vol fans out there who are not obnoxious, and they do not deserve this nonsense.
The UT president needs to get rid of the AD (Hamilton) as a first step in restoring UT’s image. Hamilton kicked Fulmer out the door and hired kiffin; therefore, Hamilton is part of their problem.
UT should then formally apologize to Fulmer and bring him back in some capacity to represent the university he devoted his life to since he enrolled there as a freshman. I am not saying he needs to be in the athletic department, but he can surely be a positive voice for UT and the SEC. After all, how many other coaches in the SEC have won a national title in the last 20 years.
UT will most likely get burned because of the hostess deal, and kiffie and hamilton are to blame.

Charlie Bama

August 9th, 2010
7:56 am

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H Back

August 9th, 2010
7:58 am

1. Tenn needs to get taken to the cleaners by the NCAA for hiring a nut like Kiffin.
2. SEC West might be a better dvision, but the best team in the country this year is in the SEC East, and goes by UGA.
3. Nick Saban was lobbying with reporter for a non #1 ranking because he knows how reporters rank, based ONLY on the previous year’s final polls. Saban’s the most inconsistent coach in America, and has only finished in the final top 10 polls consecutively 1x in his career, 2010 will NOT be the 2nd. 50% of Saban’s years are 7 wins or less seasons. He’s the “human yo yo”. does win a Natl Champ every decade, that’s about it.
4. Any team led by an untested QB like Brantley really has no realistic chance at winning more than 9 or 10 games. He’ll get torches by Bama, LSU, and Georgia’s defenses. Probably will lose to FSU also. MSU will give them a fight. Meyer’s never done anything without Strong or Tebow, really not a good coach, just a lucky coach.

Say What???

August 9th, 2010
7:59 am

I agree with Beast from the East in that I don’t think Floriday will be “better” than they were last year. Its just not logical. They will be really, really good (unfortunately), but they will not be better.

As for Lane Kiffen, I hate this guy more and more… He is a snake oil salesman. That’s it! Only out for what is best for himself. He runs his mouth for an entire year about how he will bring Tennessee back to it former glory, accuses almost every coach in the SEC of cheating, and then sneaks out of town to take another job. Now, as if that was not enough for the Vols, the NCAA is completing a formal investigation into what he was doing for the less than 365 days he was the head coach. This guy is a virus. Plain and simple… The NCAA has got to come up with a way to penalize coaches for the things that they are guilty of even if they leave to go to another school.

Leonard

August 9th, 2010
8:01 am

TENNESSEE is already stacking the negatives, so Dooley is set up for excuses on why he only won 4 games.

dooley has a 17-20 record, he was a losing coach BEFORE Tenn, and will have a losing record, after Tenn. As their 12th coach, he’s there for a couple of years until they fnd somebody better.

TampaGator

August 9th, 2010
8:01 am

Rainey caught a lot of flak for his commnet in Gainesville. And I don’t think he will be facing the media much the rest of the season. But Rainey is one Gator that has improved a lot over the summer…and should have a very positive impact on the Gators this year. He is bigger (more muscle mass) and just as fast.

And Tony….

there is a big difference in talent in Gainsville compared to what was on that Georgia team you mentioned. Much, much better talent…And….you might as well get used to reporting about these two young fellows….Shariff Floyd (DT) and Ronald Powell (DE). They will be impact players as freshmen. Both have had no semblance to freshmen so far in camp. The vet players are just raving about Floyd….very mean and very powerful dude. The Gators do need Powell to step up at DE this year and be an impact pass rusher in 2nd and 3rd and long situations.

Paul in RDU

August 9th, 2010
8:02 am

H Back – If any team with an untested QB “really has no realistic chance at winning more than 9 or 10 games” how do you expect UGA to be the best team in the nation? Is Aaron Murray tested?

Chipper Jones would've graduated magna cum laude had he chosen to matriculate at Florida

August 9th, 2010
8:03 am

Gray shirting sounds like another good argument for allowing players to have agents. Signing with a school doesn’t mean you get a scholarship, it just means you get the CHANCE for a (1-year) scholarship and you won’t know until August if you actually get it. Gotta love big-time college football.

H Back

August 9th, 2010
8:04 am

Murray is tested in high school playted for 5AAAAAA powerhouse Plant High School, annihilated the competition, won a state championship. Brantley played for tiny 2b div Trinity Catholic. Brantley’s completely untested at high school & college level. Murray’s 10x better.

H Back

August 9th, 2010
8:06 am

Since 1986, Richt’s had 14 CONSECUTIVE top 10 final poll finishes.

Saban’s had 1.

TampaGator

August 9th, 2010
8:06 am

I called Kiffin “Lane Duck” all year last year…and caught a lot of flak from Vols fans…because I knew he was a one and done head coach there. The question is…is he still a “Lame Duck” at USC. Probably not, but I would expect Haden will not tolerate what was tolerated in Knoxville last year. I hope things work out OK for Dooley….he is the polar opposite of Kiffin….but Kiffin might have killed his chances at success at Tennessee. I hope not. The SEC needs coaches like Dooley and does not need coaches like Kiffin. Thank goodness he is gone.

Leonard

August 9th, 2010
8:08 am

Dooley is trying to lower expectations, so he doesn’t get fired after his losing seasons in 2010-2011. This is what coaches with a losing mentality do. They lower expectations and make excuses for losing seasons. 17-20 record, hiring Dooley was a mistake.

TampaGator

August 9th, 2010
8:09 am

H Back….are you really trying to convince yourself that Richt is a better head coach than Saban??? Really!!! How many national titles has Richt won in those 14 consecutive years??? SEC titles??? I think Saban has one 2 NC and several SEC titles in far less years coaching in the SEC.

Paul in RDU

August 9th, 2010
8:09 am

1) Since Kiffin was at USC when many of the Bush shenanigans were going on, and he behaved like an idiot at UT, it looks like the NCAA is applying scarce resources to investigate his actions.
2) Let’s see how many are ranked at the end of October.
3) ALA’s SID obviously listens to Saban – I hope no-one thinks Saban has time for voting.
4) When football coaches are using the same techniques as one of the industries with the worst records dealing with customers (airlines overbooking) it is not a good thing.
5) I don’t see how you can lose so many good players and be a “better team”. Reminds me of the UGA fans a couple of years ago and some of my GT friends this year.

TommyJack

August 9th, 2010
8:10 am

Leonard, 8:01 .. Is Leonard your screen name? No one would really name a kid Leonard. Would they?

Paul in RDU

August 9th, 2010
8:12 am

H Back – By your logic Joe Cox was a “tested QB” his freshman year at UGA. Independence won the NCHSAA highest level all 3 years he was starting QB and in 1 of those years USA Today rated them #1 in the nation.

Tide Rising

August 9th, 2010
8:13 am

1) Kiffin said he did nothing wrong. Maybe. Basing on article on his word which is dubious at best aint too bright. This guy has been caught in a slew of incidences where either he is a liar or the person contradicting his statment is a liar. Are they all lying and Kiffin is the truth teller?

2) SEC west the strongest? Easily. 3 BCS titles in the 2000s and AU could have had a chance for a 4th BCS title by 3 different division teams in the 2000s. Since the inception of the 2 division format 5 of the 6 division teams have won the division. Show me another division in college football that can claim that sort of balance. Even the team predicted to finish last Ole Miss has 2 straight 9-4 seasons with whippings of 2 Big 12 opponents in the Cotton Bowl.

3 )Saban consistent- I’m glad he underplays the team. People forget that coming into the 09 season we were breaking in 8 new starters on offense including 3 new O-lineman. What I like about the new defensive starters is that of the 9 new starters most like Donta Hightower aren’t new starters at all. The reality is that 5 of the new starters have started multiple games over the last couple years and played in the regular defensive rotation the last few years. The only true “new” starter with less than 3 years in the system will be true soph and the nation’s top corner coming out of high school Dre Kirkpatrick. The other 3 true new starters are all 3rd year guys.

4) Grayshirting- In Bama’s case we had 2 players grayshirt one of whom is still not fully recovered from a foot injury suffered his senior year in high school We have never had a problem grayshirting 1 or 2 players a year for the sole reason that the grayshirt possibility is explained upfront to the recruits during the recruiting process so the recruit is not surprised if it ends up happening. In the case of the LSU recruit being upset and asking to be let out of his letter of intent by Miles the blame lies totally with Miles for not explaining to the young man that a grayshirt was a possibility.

Tony you also fail to explain the downside of undersigning vs oversigning as Saban does. I would much rather oversign and have the possibility of 1 or 2 players a year grayshirt then undersign and because of attrition end up playing the year with only 68 or 72 scholarship players as UT and AU did last year. It leaves a team at a competitive disadvantage depthwise. And come on. Which is worse? 1 or 2 players delaying enrollment or 13 or 17 scholarships going unused? In the case of UT or AU last year that would be 13 and 17 young men, mostly poor and black, that missed the opportunity to play major college football at a big time university. Ever think of it that way?

5)Chris Rainey- losing prima donnas bolsters team unity? True but I don’t know if you could call guys like Tebow or Spikes prima donnas. Leaders yes. Prima donnas no. In any event the gators are still loaded with talent and should be fearsome as usual.

TampaGator

August 9th, 2010
8:13 am

Also…H Back…you have uses that HS comparison for Murray/Brantley under many other post names…and it is a tired story by now. Can’t you come up with anything better than saying Murray is 10 times better than Brantley because of high school performances. Son…this ain’t high school anymore…and Brantley isn’t playing for Trinity High School (who year in and year out puts out top Division 1 football talent) anymore. Brantley is the real deal…dude…you might as well grow up and see reality.

H Back

August 9th, 2010
8:13 am

Florida has 6 games where they’ll might lose:
Bama, LSU, Georgia, MSU, SC, FSU

I don’t see any way, with an untested QB like Brantley, they win more than 2 of those 6 games, maybe MSU & SC.

Paul in RDU

August 9th, 2010
8:14 am

Mark Richt must be some kind of magician. According to H Back he’s had 14 consecutive top 10 final poll finishes and this year is only his 10th as an HC

I am not going to be the head coach at Alabama. I am the head coach of the Miami Dolphins.

August 9th, 2010
8:19 am

I wouldn’t believe Kiffin if he told me it was going to be hot today.

TampaGator

August 9th, 2010
8:19 am

Tide Rising….

There is a reason you haven’t heard much from Chris Rainey in the past. He isn’t exactly a polished public speaker. I think he just made a bad choice of words with the “prima donna” comment. Florida did lose its team focus for the SEC championship game (the Dunlap and Spikes incidents that took the focus off the team and put in on a couple of players). I think that is what Rainey was referring to with his comment about NFL prima donnas…and probaly more about Dunlap than Spikes. I also think he was reflecting on Tebow and the mega star of the team. The Gators do not have a mega star like him this year…and it removes a little bit of the spotlight off an extremely talented football team.

H Back

August 9th, 2010
8:21 am

Meyer’s grade school pysch approach ain’t goona work this year.

He’s trying to get his team to fewll like ‘underdogs’, nobody respects us, nobody thinks we’ll be good because we don’t have any big names.

Usually, when Meyer starts rolling out this grade school pysch garbage, it’s another 5-3 SEC year for Florida under Meyer.

Bottom line, fact, they don’t have anywhere near the level of talent, from a coaching standpoint without Strong, or player standpoint.

Urban Meyer will never win another National Championship.

TampaGator

August 9th, 2010
8:22 am

Paul in RDU….

He was probably counting Richt’s time with FSU….because that is how (whoever’s name he is posting under today) thinks.

Joey

August 9th, 2010
8:22 am

UT may regret the Kiffin “era” for a long time. Whether or not Kiffin broke rules, Tony, something needs to be done about coaches that cheat, then skate away to bigger paydays, and leave the school to suffer the consequences of HIS actions.

The NCAA should impose “pay-back penalties” of some sort, where the cheating coach should have to pay-back to the sanctioned school, a percentage of his earnings while at employed there, plus a percentage of his earnings at his new employment, where ever that may be.

Make the Lou Holtzs, Pete Carrolls, John Caliparis, Lane Kiffins (?) of the coaching fraternity think twice about cheating, then leaving for even bigger bucks, while the school loses scholarships and money.

RambleOn84

August 9th, 2010
8:23 am

ACC Coastal is very good, but SEC West is the best division in football. Ole Miss and Miss State are better than Duke and UVA, although Duke might be better than expected this year (5-7 or 6-6 would be my prediction).

Tide Rising

August 9th, 2010
8:24 am

Tampagator,

I would agree. I think Rainey just used a bad choice of words in saying prima donna and that’s pretty much it.

TampaGator

August 9th, 2010
8:25 am

I.E…..the 8:21 post. Yeah….Meyer has has a lot of 5-3 years in the SEC!!! And…he will never win another NC. Good thinking there. He has already won two. I guess, according to his high level thinking processes, Richt is a better coach because he took his team to Shreveport last year and never has won a NC….so he is more like to win one. SMART!!!

Walt

August 9th, 2010
8:25 am

“Hamilton is looking really bad.”

Hamilton should be fired. He has screwed everything up that he has touched.

Attendance off, debt sky-rocketing, players brawling, coaches bolting, won-loss record in the toilet.

Walt

Tide Rising

August 9th, 2010
8:25 am

Is H back Pat Sulley in disguise?

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

August 9th, 2010
8:29 am

kiffin will get what he deserves, trust me. karma folks, karma. i agree the sec west is stacked only because the east has some many questions in regards to practically a new QB at every school, except sc.

poopdawg

August 9th, 2010
8:30 am

TampaGator, the spotlight has not been removed. The Gators are preseason #3. Tony a preseason poll PROVES nothing, so don’t get all giddy.

Bud

August 9th, 2010
8:31 am

H Back, your a moron.

CalGatorBrotha

August 9th, 2010
8:31 am

Hey Tony, the Gators do have great players and the the SEC and rest of the nation will see just how great John Brantley is this season

RambleOn84

August 9th, 2010
8:33 am

Florida will win the East once again…UGA has great talent, but that is nothing new. Florida has better coaching and better talent. Just being honest here.

Joey

August 9th, 2010
8:36 am

Bud, learn to spell – it’s “H Back, you’re a moron.”

Tim Rupert

August 9th, 2010
8:37 am

Yes Florida will have a better team this year, like at Alabama every second string player is better that every first player and every third string player is better than every second string player, in just a few short years both of these programs will challenge for the NFL Super Bowl Championship.

TheTaxJacket

August 9th, 2010
8:38 am

Coaches know best!

(((( 17 – 21 ))))

thwg

dawgster

August 9th, 2010
8:42 am

why don’t the gator and dawg fans see what happens on the field this year before stating what will or will not happen…amazing that with some of the losses of personnel on some of these teams that so many think the teams will be better, maybe, but too many factors that will have an impact to know those results yet, and the same to be said for the dawgs, we won’t know for a while what kind of team we will have..just because of last years results, doesn’t mean the same again..the dawgs have made alot of changes, coaching wise and personnel wise, so we know how that will pan out…some of you that think the dawgs will not be a factor may be in for a surprise…the coaches and the people who know what they actually are talking about are estatic over how the team is looking and how some of the young freshman are looking…can anyone say “:Olgetree”..and “Malcome”.just to name a few…Malcome, the freshman Rb is openning a few eyes…also the speed in the secondary is absurd, hopefully we can take advantage of this with our new defensive scheme this season…go dawgs

NoGaGator

August 9th, 2010
8:44 am

The sad thing about Kiffin is that he doesn’t know right from wrong. The UT Pres needs to let Hamilton go. Hamilton hired Kiffin and tacitly let him pull his tricks like Hostessgate by not providing firmer guidance to Kiffin. Unfortunately, UT will be paying for the Kiffin fiasco for the next 2-3 years. The NCAA will have to mete out some punishment as well.

I just hope that Kiffin becomes karma’s poster boy and that USC tanks the next 3 yrs. Either that or Haden finds a way to fire him for cause.

I was thinking of responding to H-Back but it would be pointless. As the saying goes you can’t fix stupid.

Bagel Guy

August 9th, 2010
8:45 am

Is ‘Tide Rising’, ‘Tampa Gator’ ‘Beast from the East’ & ‘Paul in RDU’ really ‘Pat Sulley’?

Observer

August 9th, 2010
8:47 am

TampaGator

The poster did not say ANYTHING about Richt being a better coach. Quit name dropping and jumping to assumptions. BTW, Florida may, or may not, win the SEC East this year. Brantley WILL be OK, just a drop off from the last few years.

Bagel Guy

August 9th, 2010
8:48 am

Meyer did have the #1 best recruiting class, some say, in the history of college football. Exepectations at Florida are through the roof. Fans expect Meyer to win it all again, loaded with all that talent, less than #1 finish would be considered a coaching failure.

RambleOn84

August 9th, 2010
8:48 am

The good news is Kiffin will be fired within 3 years (perhaps much sooner, though); the AD who hired him has already been fired and the Kiffin hire was part of the reason.

And after USC, Kiffin will most likely never receive another big-time head coach position.

Observer

August 9th, 2010
8:48 am

TaxJacket

you are an idiot!!
8 out of 9 > 17-21 !!!

Miles

August 9th, 2010
8:50 am

Alabama with two freshman kickers? How many coaches in the coaches poll were aware of this?

#2 BAMA FAN

August 9th, 2010
9:03 am

Alabama had its fan day Sunday and the biggest roar from the crowd came from the freshman kicker
hitting the ball 5 yards in to the endzone!! That did not happen very much last year or the past few years. Bama will have a short range kicker and a long range kicker and a freshman punter also!!
Kiffin deserves all the crap from the KGB and Mike Hamilton will probably be fired for the probation
or hand slap from the KGB!! RTR

Pago Pago Dawg

August 9th, 2010
9:06 am

Well it appears that Kiffin out coached/out played the DAWGS last year. Sad..

Ron Mexico

August 9th, 2010
9:07 am

Grayshirting WOULD be legit, if the consequences and expectations were clearly explained to these kids up front. But – they’re kids – and who honestly believes that St. Nick (and the rest of the S-E-C-ya-later #26-27-28 bunch) give these kids the full story? If you don’t have a scholarship to offer, you shouldn’t offer it. It’s as plain and simple as Mr. CFB likes to paint things.

dawgster

August 9th, 2010
9:10 am

BagelGuy…lhave to agree with you, according to the whole world the gator recruiting class was the greatest in the history of college football…of course that is still mostly recruiting services opinions, but if that is the case why should the rest of the SEC even field a team…If the gators underachieve and don”t win it all for the next few years then i guess you are right…that might be considered a coaching failure..based on that insight, and remembering how the dawgs have been bashed for not winning it all in 2008 when they were pre-season number #1, we should expect the same from all pre-season #1’s…but to be fair, the gators are not pre-season #1…that belongs to Bama and rightfully so for now..

dawgfan

August 9th, 2010
9:10 am

Wow. First some dude disses on Tebow a while back and now Rainey is talking about Prima donnas. Both were just “a bad choice of words” according to the Jort Nation. Absolutely laughable.

I do not find these types of comments at all surprising. Other than Tebow and a few others, Florida has been the biggest pile of punk scum in the SEC for awhile now. Rainey probably got tired of the eye gouging, the punting the ball in to the stands, and the showboating and taunting that were pervasive the past two seasons. He probably just wants to play football.

A bad choice of words? Hilarious. I wonder if Meyer will threaten Dooley for printing that quote. Simply hilarious.

Dumbo

August 9th, 2010
9:14 am

Somebody slap the Gatorr fans….wake up….in the last 2 years UF has lost the Best college QB, one of the top offensive lineman, a couple of good recievers, a few top defensive players and top that off with losing both coordinators. The talent is there, the question is (1) Can the new Coordinators express their schemes well enough to players used to other coaches (2) Will the injury bug finally come home to roost or will UF’s luck continue (3) Will Meyer be as driven now as before his little panic attack. These are questions that would concern me….that and thinking everything will continue to fall into place.

too tree fo five

August 9th, 2010
9:14 am

da gators are da best team in de conference
dey have da best corch who can corch better than anyone in the bsc bcs conference

one too tree fo five
man them gators dont take no jive.

Delbert D.

August 9th, 2010
9:16 am

Tampa Gator & Paul in RDU-
“He was probably counting Richt’s time with FSU”

By H-Back’s logic, Paul Johnson has 4 National Championships.
‘85 & ‘86 as OC and ‘99 & 2000 as HC at Georgia Southern

Bill

August 9th, 2010
9:20 am

Someone needs to give Kiffin a blanket party!

Tommy P…U ok.

Delbert D.

August 9th, 2010
9:23 am

Any school hiring Kiffin in the future should immediately be investigated by the NCAA for lack of administrative control.

Old Dawg

August 9th, 2010
9:27 am

TommyP: Referencing an interview is simply good journalistic practice. If you don’t get it, then get off the blog. Tony has more class in his typing fingers than you have in your entire body.

Folks like you make Lane Kiffin look like a nice and ethical person.

MoDawg

August 9th, 2010
9:29 am

H Back, I appreciate your enthusiasm, but we need to “get real”.

The East is Florida’s to lose. Let’s wait until after 9/11 to get our hopes up. We’ve got a long road to hoe.

Tide Rising

August 9th, 2010
9:33 am

Ron Mexico,

Its not as simple as you think regarding grayshirting. You can’t see into the future and see which players on the cusp of qualifying will make it academically and which won’t. You also can’t tell which or how many players will have to leave the program for legal troubles, career ending injuries which put them on medical scholarship, player transfers for lack of playing time,etc.

If you oversign to account for natural attrition there shouldn’t be a problem if you fully disclose to a couple of recruits that the possibility of a grayshirt exists. I’ll ask the question again. Would you rather have 1 or 2 players grayshirt because you oversigned and these 1 or 2 players were fully apprised of the possibility?

Or would you rather not oversign and end up playing with only 68 or 72 scholarship players like UT and AU did last year because you failed to account accurately for natural attrition? Keep in mind that 13 and 17 unused scholarships went to waste and subsequently 13 and 17 football players thus were not able to attend college. I would feel much better knowing that 1 or 2 players have to delay enrollement by 1 semester and knew this ahead of time than knowing that 13 or 17 players were denied the opportunity to live the dream of playing big time college football. Which is worse?

DP

August 9th, 2010
9:33 am

Yes, “H Back” = the latest incarnation of Patrick Sulley. Whenever you see a reference to Richt’s track record that suggests he can claim Bowden’s track record at Florida State you know it’s Sully. He says Richt had 14 straight years in the top 10, which means he’s claiming 6 for Richt when he was the quarterbacks coach, 1 when he was at East Carolina and 7 as offensive coordinator.

zeeeee Nachos aka the "Living Legend"

August 9th, 2010
9:34 am

Tony.. no mention of your beloved dawwwwgs? This is an Atlanta paper for heavens sakes.. right fleabags?????

RambleOn84

August 9th, 2010
9:34 am

MoDawg,
The expression is “long ROW to hoe.” Not trying to be a jerk, just trying to help.

Coach Johnsons Paul

August 9th, 2010
9:36 am

Why should UF be worried…they still have “THE SPEECH”.
Tony, can’t remember which Coach stated this but for every Freshmen you start that will equal a loss. For Bama starting 2 Frosh on Special Teams is a bit scary come crunch time in a close game.

MoDawg

August 9th, 2010
9:39 am

Thanks, RambleOn84…I knew that but couldn’t stop myself.

Dang, if we had to hoe a road, it would be a long season…..(and still might be).

Thanks for the correction.

suwaneedawg

August 9th, 2010
9:45 am

I feel for the non-obnoxious vol fans. The bottomline, your athletic department slept with the devil. Don’t worry, it will happen to USC in another 5 years after they get through with Carrol’s garbage.

JP

August 9th, 2010
9:47 am

I am a Gator fan and I can’t see us being “better” than 13-1 from last year. I think we go no better than 9-3 during the regular season with loses to Bama, UGA, and FSU.

On another note, for those who say Meyer has never done anything without Tebow or Strong – DUH! He had Tebow for 4 out of 5 of his years so far at UF and Strong for all 5 of his years.

Tide Rising

August 9th, 2010
9:51 am

Nachos strikes again.

Gen Neyland

August 9th, 2010
9:53 am

Those who aren’t closely associated with what Kiffin did or didn’t do Atop Rocky will believe what they wish or what they wish to be true. A LOI is not a sentence. It implies there are questions that need answers. We’ll see if Kiffin gets, excuse me here, fingered or not, or if the gals took the trip on their own. Other than that, it may be a case of youngsters gone wild…At this point, I’m thinking those hoping UT gets whacked will be disappointed. A reprimand with probation of a sort may be the extent but nothing as severe as a death sentence…

Personally, I think the bigger issue for the NCAA should be the obvious tampering of Tennessee recruits/players by Orgeron (at Kiffins request I’ll wager) as they were enroute to USCw. Heck, the guy admitted that he made calls, sent texts and talked to the guys trying to lure them to USCw and the players told of Orgeron telling them how to avoid ‘certain consequences’ of bailing on Tennessee. Kiffin would be smart to sell out Orgeron if the need arises…

Here again, another example of if there is a problem from the Kiffin Era Atop Rocky, the punishment should follow the coach, not land on the University IF the University itself is found not to have sactioned the actions of the coach…That is all and to all, Good Day…

RxDawg

August 9th, 2010
9:54 am

1. We’ll see. Kiffin strikes me as one of those types that really thinks the rules don’t apply to him. He’s not stupid, but I’m sure he’s not above bending some rules to get an advantage. I guess time will tell.

2. It would appear that way, for now. I doubt UT will be much of a force this year. USC and UGA are relatively unknowns at this point, but Arkanasas Auburn, and LSU are too. It wont take long for the dust to settle though with a lot of these teams facing each other early.

P.S. something tells me not to write off Miss St this year.

3. Just a head coach trying hard to not let his team get complacent. Nothing more.

4. Very interesting. On the surface, this looks like complete BS. If I’m a kid playing football, and a school offers me a scholarship to come play there, then I expect to have a scholarship when I come. Now if there is more to it than that I’ll have to be educated more on the matter. Otherwise, I think it’s kind of rotten.

5. I found these comments VERY interesting. I also thought it was odd that Mr. Rainey refered to his ex teamates as “prima-donas”. It seems UF has a problem with player comments about older players. Maybe everything isn’t so hunky dory in Urban’s utopia. This story was the first time that made me think the Gators might be a little bit overated this year. I still need to see all the teams play, but I’m begining to think we won’t see the Gators in the Ga Dome come December. But you can’t deny that UF has recruited well and should still have a lot of unproven talent.

DP

August 9th, 2010
9:54 am

Tony, I think one of the questions about the NCAA’s investigation of Kiffin is whether or not it could put him on shaky ground at USC now that Mike Garrett is gone. If the NCAA has bad things to say about Kiffin and/or Ed Orgeron, I could see Pat Haden cleaning house. I’d love to see it.

Fast Eddie

August 9th, 2010
9:58 am

Who gives a rat’s nose what some 20 year old RB at UF has to say about last year’s team? He is neither a coach nor an orator but a dumbazz kid who plays football to get his education costs paid by someone else. He is a small cog in whatever team is on the field. UF has a lot of good players and an excellent coaching staff who seem to get the most out of their players.

Dawg Stephen

August 9th, 2010
10:02 am

Lets see, a new Defensive Coordinator, a new Quarterback, key linebackers missing, secondary that needs to cover better…one team gets a 21st ranking while an over rated, over HYPED florida team with the SAME SCENARIO gets ranked 3rd. 3rd? you kidding me?? 3rd? stupid.

http://dawgstephen.blogspot.com/

bamafan

August 9th, 2010
10:04 am

Hey H Back – “14 consecutive top ten finishes since 1986?” That is interesting since Mark Richt has not been a head coach the entire time since 1986……..not to mention that if you start with 1986 and go with 14 consecutive top ten finishes, you only get to 2000…….Get a life!

cuttysark

August 9th, 2010
10:06 am

Lane Kiffen will have USC in more trouble before long. Interesting that out of all the BCS conferences the ACC Coastal Division is rated very high. For more Georgia Tech Football articles go to http://isportsweb.com. Go Jackets!

how2fish

August 9th, 2010
10:06 am

Gator Mike your 7:55 post was right on point. Fulmer should be brought back into the Vol Nation…he still bleeds orange. The Tide and Gators are the teams to beat in the SEC again this year. And sorry I don’t have time to even think let alone comment on the ACC. Great Article Tony !

TampaGator

August 9th, 2010
10:06 am

Observer…..
Check H-Back’s 7:58 post. That is exactly what he said.

“….Meyer has never done anything without Strong. Really not a good coach, a lucky coach.”

I guess he can count Richt’s years at FSU for his stats to support Richt….but not Meyer’s outstanding coaching stats at Utah and Bowling Green….or that Leak was the QB 99% of the time when the Gators won the NC in 2006….and Meyer won that championship with players that Zook could barely win 8 games with. READ BAD COACH THAT URBAN MEYER.

bruce mac

August 9th, 2010
10:07 am

Tony, did you just proclaim that your nonsense was confirmed by more nonsense. Pre season polls mean nothing and are not close to accurate. ACC is strong, why? Have they ever beat anybody? Wake me up when the actually win a BCS bowl. I will probably be six feet under by then.

dawggirl

August 9th, 2010
10:10 am

Sounds like the Gators think they’re still perfect. They will beat every team on their schedule by 70-0, and it’s pointless for them to even play any game.

TampaGator

August 9th, 2010
10:14 am

how2fish….
Fulmer should have never been fired in my opinion…or asked to resign….at Tennessee. He won a NC there for goodness sake!!! Kiffin tried to win one in one year by telling lies, probably cheating, and being just as ’bout as unsightly of a human as humanly possible. Fulmer was total class….first class total class!!! They should have told him to just go out and hire some 20th century assistant coaches and let him be a figurehead and recruit and lead by example….which he as good at. His time since he left the Vols speaks volumes about the type of person he his…..TOTAL CLASS and respected by everyone….especially the mommas that send their sons off to college to play football and want to trust the man they send the son of to play for….at least they are heading back in the right direction with Dooley….if Kiffin didn’t completely screw it up for him…which is likely.

TampaGator

August 9th, 2010
10:20 am

bruce mac…

your nap may be a short one. Va. Tech is very good and has a shot at the NC game (and Miami just might go up to Ohio State and pull a shocker)….and I am looking forward to watching Va. Tech play Boise State. It is time for Boise to put up or shut up forever! Beat someone when it really counts….Boise State!!!

TampaGator

August 9th, 2010
10:22 am

Dawggirl….sorry to have to admit it….but the Gators have never been perfect in the regular season…..and that score isn’t 70-0 for you….it is 3 and 17….sorry….I just had to say it.

TampaGator

August 9th, 2010
10:25 am

P.S……

Can you tell that I am in my last two days before retirement and have nothing important to do???….finally….Wednesday….where are you? College kick off day….where are you? Tampa….full time…..soon….where are you?

Have a nice day Dawg fans!!!

ATL RZRBack

August 9th, 2010
10:29 am

H Back –

You are perhaps the most ignorant poster that has ever appeared on this site. It is one thng to be a fan, but try to post somethig intelligent.

surfdawg

August 9th, 2010
10:37 am

I think the NCAA should start punishing the coach’s when they knowingly commit infractions and then move to another school. It’s not fair that Tennessee pays the price for a coach that don’t deserve to be coaching college football. It’s obvious that Kiffen is not here to follow the rules/

dawggirl

August 9th, 2010
10:38 am

TampaGator, I’m fully aware of the record, thanks. I’m merely commenting on the fact that the Gator fans and players think they are unbeatable, invincible, and are better than every team in college football and some NFL teams, apparently.

17 of 20

August 9th, 2010
10:39 am

The Gators will have the strongest offensive line in the conference and that is reason they will win every game.

Dumb Fla ALUM

August 9th, 2010
10:39 am

gradilations, go gator, 1 2 3 4 5 that them gator dont take no jive.

T3

August 9th, 2010
10:40 am

Tony’s analysis on “grayshirting” is simply pathetic.

Here’s a MUCH better article on the topic.

http://www.cbssports.com/print/collegefootball/story/13727507/bad-guys-utilize-oversigning-and-it-has-to-stop?tag=button-bar;btn-print

old timer

August 9th, 2010
10:41 am

TampaGator,Why do you hate Mark Richt? he has never done anything to you.He has to be a very good coach. His loyalty to his coaches and players have not helped his cause.You can believe that all has changed now.Watch what you say about him ,what goes around comes around,I’ve been around a long time.Just saying.

Saban

August 9th, 2010
10:42 am

Urban, hows your punk a$$ heart? get ready for another beatdown. who will cry now that sissy Tebow is gone?

Saban

August 9th, 2010
10:45 am

Cry me a River beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatch

Monty

August 9th, 2010
10:45 am

Uh, please list all of the National Champ[ionships Urban Meyer has won without Strong as his defensive coach and Tebow making plays at QB? What’s that? None, zero, nada, zilch?

TampaGator

August 9th, 2010
10:46 am

One last comment to:

Dawg Stephen……

New QB????
….John Brantley is not “new.” He has been in the system for three….count ‘em….1, 2, 3….years…and has actual playing time on a college football field…..against a fairly good Kentucky defense that he rip apart with passes. And every scout and sports reporter that has seen him play, practice, and talk (yes, he is very bright)…things this guy is a big time QB….includinng most NFL scouts (he has an NFL arm and mind).

Key LBs missing???
….the Gators return preseason all-SEC LB J.J. Jones (who was hurt and did not play in the SEC championship game…along with Dunlap)…but we are not making excuses and the other staring OLB, Brandon Hicks…who is a future NFL player as well. In the middle, we do have to replace Hicks….and we are in real trouble there….with Jon Bostic (major big time player and the reason the top MLB recruit went to FSU) and Jelani Jenkins (the former #1 LB recruit in the nation) fighting it out to see who starts…and both will play when the Gators play a little 3-4 this year (and wait until you see how fast and quick Jelani Jenkins is…legit 4.4 time….and has run faster than that….and he will knock your head off).

DB’s that can’t cover???
…..man…what games did you watch last year? And Janoris Jenkins, Ahmed Black, and Will Hill return to the secondary this year…and Jeremy Brown is back from his injury…he is the kid who was in the process of beating out Janoris Jenkins this time last year before he got hurt…and Will Hill moves to “free safety”….his natural position…from the nicket cover guy (and he is much faster and taller and a better cover guy that Major Wright…who will start at FS for the Bears this year. As the seconday coach of the Gators said this week…”Will Hill is the real deal….he is the next great Gator safety.” And guess who replaces Will Hill at the nickel postion….Matt Elam…and he is the real deal folks. And….for backups….try Mo Jenkins (pushing Jeremy Brown to start), Joshua Shaw (top CB recruit who was in school for spring practice and very talented, and Jaylen Watkins (future all-SEC proformer at CB and true freshman also in Gainesville for spring practice and blew everyone away with his cover skills. And then….Cory Riggs (who Georgia dearly wanted) just arrived on campus to provide more backup. Yep….real troubles in the Gator secondary.

And…oh yeah….the DC coordinator….not much has changed in the Gator approach to D….that is a Meyer approach. DC Austin was a great secondary coach for the Arizona Cardinals by the way….and a great defensive coach and the Gator players….although they miss Strong….rave about Austin’s coaching knowledge and style. You will see more 3-4 from the Gators this year….but still see the 3-3-5 and 4-3 a lot as well. And you can count on those “new” LBs and “poor coverage” d-backs coming at you….at high velocity…from all directions.

Have a nice day!!!

RxDawg

August 9th, 2010
10:49 am

“Fulmer was total class….first class total class!!! ”

Ummm Tampa, ask some Bama fans if they think Fulmer was total class. Ask Fulmer’s predecessor head coach if he thinks Fulmer was total class. Fulmer is not Kiffin, but he’s no saint.

RambleOn84

August 9th, 2010
10:50 am

How many NCs has Richt won without Tebow and Strong?

Dave Dog

August 9th, 2010
10:50 am

Here’s the way it works folks. Whoever had a good year last year, that’s the ’safe pick” the media guys all make media darlings. This year, it’s Saban. Even though Saban never has almost never finished in the top 10 back to back. Even though a team win back to back Natl Champ every 2 or 3 decades. They throw out common sense, and just make a ’safe bet’, almost always, wrong.

What dawg?

August 9th, 2010
10:51 am

Who is Nick Saban, and why all the talk about him? Can’t we discuss something of importance here?

Lincoln

August 9th, 2010
10:52 am

Richt’s more consistent than Saban, Saban’s win % is around.700, Richt’s is around .800, Saban does get lucky every decade or so, but Richt’s more successful over the long haul.

Nole 5050

August 9th, 2010
10:53 am

Isn’t it fun to finally have college football right around the corner? It’s even fun to read the high school comparisons by some as evidence of future college greatness. Can’t wait.

RambleOn84

August 9th, 2010
10:54 am

Saban is a great coach, and there is no other clear front-runner. Hence, Alabama is ranked #1.

TampaGator

August 9th, 2010
10:56 am

Monty….

….let’s have a reality check here.

That undefeated Utah team Meyer built and coached was really, really good…and they did not have the opportunity to play for the national championship….but they did completely humiliate the team they did play in a bowl game that year.

And Chris Leak was the QB for the Gators in 2006…Tebow was just a 3rd and short runner then. Leak was out of the world in the NC game against Ohio State if you don’t remember. And 99% of the Gator offense that year was designed around Chris Leak’s pocket passing skills.

….and Ron Zook has Charlie Strong as his DC. How did the Zooker do? Was losing Strong’s fault then? No….Meyer made Strong better and Strong made the team better because of it.

That’s all….just some reality to bring you back to it.

John

August 9th, 2010
10:56 am

If the media guys had any sense, they’d be talking about Mark Richt a LOT, like reviewing 2002 & 2007, where he was coming off a bad year, he finished either #2 or #3 in the country both times. It’s gonna happen again this year. Some of these media guys just aren’t smart enough to learn from history. Richt will be the story this year in the SEC, not Meyer or Saban.

Gtax

August 9th, 2010
10:56 am

**** Nesbitt for Heismen ****

(((( 45 – 42 ))))

5IML

August 9th, 2010
10:56 am

Dave Dog,

Yes, BAMA is the safe and trendy pick. That’s generally how it works.

Also, BAMA, coached by Saban, was #6 in all final poles for 2008, and you know what happened last year. I think it’s time you guys revised your Saban statements. How about, “Saban has never finished in the top 10 three years in a row” or “Saban has never won three BCS champions?”

Seth

August 9th, 2010
10:57 am

Having solid play at QB is a necessity. We’ll see how the new qb’s do soon. That will be what makes or breaks a team.

Lane Rules

August 9th, 2010
10:57 am

Lane says it’s ok? Good–I can relax. He knows his stuff—he’s making $4 million so he’s in the know with some good advisers.

Saban

August 9th, 2010
10:57 am

Im the one that made that punk Urban quit after that a$$ whipping. thats who i am

Trey

August 9th, 2010
10:58 am

By the end of week 3, 3/4 sec teams will be ranked. SC should be in the top 25. We will be when we beat ga second week.

Greg

August 9th, 2010
10:58 am

Does anyone know why no National Gatorade Player of the year, like Florida’s Brantley, in high school football, has EVER gone on to win a National Championship? This is a 25 year old curse.

5IML

August 9th, 2010
10:59 am

Or better yet, be more concerned about your program and coach and less concerned about BAMA and Saban.

TampaGator

August 9th, 2010
10:59 am

Lincoln….

Saban….lucky??? Richt better in the long haul. I guess you prefer averaging 8 wins a season year in and year out to winning SEC and National Championships….huh? Get real, dude.

Saban

August 9th, 2010
10:59 am

Bow down to a brother thats greater than you

schmeckdawg

August 9th, 2010
10:59 am

Do all you vols fans know when lame kiffin is lying? His lips are moving! And Mr. College Football, you may want to use that spell check a little more often, it is January not Janaury.

Sorry for being so picky Mr. College Football.

Hey do you think that maybe you, and Chuck Oliver the self proclaimed King of College Football could have an ego off and see which one of you really knows the most or least!

TampaGator

August 9th, 2010
11:01 am

Greg…..

(you sure you aren’t H-back and several others???)

…..NO…tell us why? You really believe in curses? That tells me a lot about you. Based on your logic….answer this question…..

Can anyone tell me why Georgia has not won a NC since 1981. It must be a 30-year old curse…and based on that reasoning….Georgia can never win a NC….believe that? You must based on how you think?

Nole 5050

August 9th, 2010
11:01 am

John Well Richt should certainly be helped by a favorable schedule this year.

Saban

August 9th, 2010
11:02 am

One more Title and i am off to Michigan for 8 mil a year.

Saban

August 9th, 2010
11:04 am

I thought the coon-asses were bad but these white trash rednecks take the cake.I will be gone after the season

TampaGator

August 9th, 2010
11:06 am

Saban….

I think it has more to do with Meyer’s inablity to breathe due to a major esophical, health issue. But you can believe it was your a…whooping….which it certainly was (you outcoached Meyer that day). But make no mistake….the Gators and Meyer have not forgetten about that a…whooping you gave them. They will be more prepared next time. It should be a great game down your way this year….and then again in Atlanta in December.

TampaGator

August 9th, 2010
11:07 am

Saban….

If I had know you were a racist….I would not have addressed your post. Go back in the hole you came from and take your 1950s comments with you.

Mayo

August 9th, 2010
11:11 am

Read above that hiring Derek Dooley was a mistake (?)! No, hiring him was a stop-gap, safety measure after having a total TOOL for head coach for 14 months. UT went from a clown of a HC to a man of character. Hiring Kiffin–now THAT was a mistake.
Nevertheless, LK is the same jerk today that he was before UT hired him. Mike Hamilton should be the one on the hotseat. Heck I’m not an AD and I saw LK as a disaster! Funny when LK was stirring the pot down this way he was UT’s brash little darling: now he’s their pariah. Sorry but whatever grief that comes their way–they deserve. Dooley doesn’t but unfortunately for him, that’s where he is.
Speaking of Dooley’s losing record prior to UT: check out LK’s all-time W/L record prior to UT…

5IML

August 9th, 2010
11:12 am

BAMA and Michigan are negotiating terms to open to the 2012 season in Dallas Stadium.

Mayo

August 9th, 2010
11:15 am

@ TampaGator: did you know that “Coon-asses” is a nickname for Cajuns? The ones that I know actually wear that proudly.

Question: Mr. Saban, if you actually were to return to the state of Michigan, would you sell that NE Georgia “retirement” property?

Tom Harris

August 9th, 2010
11:16 am

I’m so glad to hear from Kiffen — I was waiting for him to weigh in so I would know the real truth. Good grief…does this guy have NO brains??

BigTimeTECHFan

August 9th, 2010
11:20 am

Whooah, did you see Bey Bey Thomas and Tebow hook up for a nice long TD this weekend.

Note: If I get drafted in NFL – Shave head before camp.

It's okay because Saban says so

August 9th, 2010
11:24 am

Delusional Tide Fans- you were 3 players over this year, not 2. 2 decided to grayshirt and 1 decided to transfer. Tide fans have serious issues with math when it comes to recruits and national championships.

Mayo

August 9th, 2010
11:24 am

No, Fulmer was not “total class.” In fact he had his share of tacky moments during his tenure in Knoxville. It’s just that when The Punk came in and took his place he’d make ANYONE look classy.

BTW, is it true that Kiffin is changing his baby boy’s name from “Knox?” Just heard that as a rumor. Guess he’ll re-name him, “Cal” for the next couple of years and then change it again to something that rhymes with unemployed.

Whatever

August 9th, 2010
11:25 am

How about we wait until the final polls at the end of the season to see just how good the SEC West and ACC Coastal are? I’m betting they don’t finish 1 and 2.

F-105 Thunderchief

August 9th, 2010
11:28 am

Oh, I don’t know about that BigTimetTECHFan, they might then head south with that razor.

Habersham Dawg

August 9th, 2010
11:29 am

Congratulations on the forthcoming retirement TampaGator. I’ve still got 6 years to go.

Dawgtards ruin this state

August 9th, 2010
11:31 am

Of course GTech is ranked higher than thUGA, is the new normal. Get used to it mutts.

Reality for TamapGator

August 9th, 2010
11:32 am

TamapGator- the reality is that the the Florida Gators should have more national championships. In fact, they have clearly underperformed the past 20 years. They are the flagship University of the state of Florida and the only Florida school in the best conference in college football. Florida has the largest population by far of any state in the SEC and one of the largest in the nation. Also, it is clearly a talent rich state for football players and is either #1 or #2 depending how you rank Florida and Texas. Finally, Florida has deeper pockets and more resources than any other school in the SEC and supposedly employs the best Athletic Coordinator in the nation. When considering these factors, it’s very surprising Florida hasn’t won more and it has to be said that they are underacheivers.

Mark

August 9th, 2010
11:33 am

All SEC teams need to win there early games because SEC officials will cheat to keep those teams atop the rankings!

Ms. Correctness

August 9th, 2010
11:37 am

Anyone who uses “your” in place of “you’re” is a moron. Anyone who misspells “moron” went to ‘Bama. Anyone who uses “dude” in a sentence(without quotation marks) is an immature dweeb.

gcs

August 9th, 2010
11:39 am

Kevin Scarbinsky is making uneducated assumptions. His article is not worth reading.

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Brenda R.

August 9th, 2010
11:40 am

If Lane Kiffin is such a crappy coach, how was he able to wax UGA last year? That doesn’t seem to say too much for Mark Richt. If I am not mistaken, he kept UT close against the Gators and didn’t he almost beat Bama? He didn’t have 10 years to build a program like Richt yet it would appear he outperformed him.

Any explanation on that?

Mayo

August 9th, 2010
11:41 am

Agree with “Reality.” Erk Russell said for years that Florida was potentially the best job in the country–for the right man. Weather, gawdy-talent-galore Florida, large fan base, SEC status, state flagship school. The fact that they don’t have more titles (especially none prior to the ’90s) speaks volumes. Never should get spanked like they did against ‘Bama in the title game.
Right now, ‘Bama has Nick Saban. If/when he leaves, they will return to a program like they were under Dubose.

zeeeee Nachos aka the "Living Legend"

August 9th, 2010
11:42 am

Auburn Man… that is an oxymoron!

Mayo

August 9th, 2010
11:45 am

Brenda, UT merely had to show up against UGA last season. They didn’t even get off the bus. Auburn made LK and UT look silly just one week before. Also, did you watch UT vs UCLA? Totally the coach’s fault in blowing that game. UT had it on ice.
Played tight with ‘Bama but the UF game wasn’t that close. Tebow fumbled on UT’s 5 yard line and UT recovered. Otherwise the Gators would have gone up by 3 touchdowns. Watch a replay of UT vs Ole Miss… He was also totally owned by Va Tech in the bowl game.

He sucks.

Tide Rising

August 9th, 2010
11:46 am

It’s okay because Saban says so

August 9th, 2010
11:24 am
“Delusional Tide Fans- you were 3 players over this year, not 2. 2 decided to grayshirt and 1 decided to transfer. Tide fans have serious issues with math when it comes to recruits and national championships.”

Why yes! It is ok cause Saban says so. Allow me to help you out with your math. 3 players over? One player who was competing for a starting job transferred by mutual decision due to breaking team rules-academic or behavioral most likely. That leaves 2 who grayshirted one of whom was still not fully recovered from a foot injury suffered in his senior year of high school. That really leaves 1 player who had to grayshirt besides the one who grayshirted partly out of injury. Big freaking deal! Worry about your own team and your own goings on rather than what Saban is doing. Bottom line is that we have 85 players on scholly just like you and everyone else.

Dr. Phil

August 9th, 2010
11:48 am

After viewing this video, I am speechless. It only needs Adams dancing in it like Lex Luthor or The Joker. http://www.urlesque.com/2010/08/06/party-in-the-uga-orientation-vid-captures-the-essence-of-awkwa/?sms_ss=email

Mayo

August 9th, 2010
11:54 am

Also to Brenda R.,

I agree with you on one thing: losing so big to UT did NOT say much about Mark Richt. I’m not a coach but I watched the game and after a couple of plays I knew UT’s QB was going to roll right with the play-action pass. Something Willie Martinez apparently never saw. The ‘Dawgs were scorched with that play all day long. Guess that’s an example of why Richt eventually canned one of his best friends (Martinez) and hired a new DC. Time will tell. Now if UT sails into Athens and does it again this year the future won’t say much for Richt either…

Mayo

August 9th, 2010
11:55 am

But then Willie and company did have one swan song: stuffing ‘Tech on their big night.

Tide Rising

August 9th, 2010
11:59 am

“Right now, ‘Bama has Nick Saban. If/when he leaves, they will return to a program like they were under Dubose.”

Mayo, even under Debose we won an sec title. Maybe we could return to a program like under Debose. Or maybe we return to a program like under Stallings, or Bear, or Wallace Wade, Or Frank Thomas all guys who have won national titles at Bama. In the meantime one can always hope and wait for Saban to retire. Or you can trot out the ole nonsense about how he’s leaving after the season-come to say it they’ve been saying that for 3-4 years now.

Mayo

August 9th, 2010
11:59 am

To “Ms. Correctness,”
While I agree with you in spirit, if you have spent time reading these posts in the past, you should know that pointing out diction and punctuation is an exercise in futility.

SSIgator

August 9th, 2010
12:08 pm

Tide Rising -

It is always the same. If you can’t beat the other team, hope that their coach leaves like Saban and Meyer or that their players do as well.

Lane Kiffin

August 9th, 2010
12:11 pm

Not surprised that barnhardt once again sides with saban on yet another issue that the guy has been called out for (and rightfully so). bammer treats kids like numbers and cattle, and somehow barnhardt can justify it because the almighty is the one doing it. Tony you have lost all credibility with me and many other hard core college f’ball fans over the last two years because you sold your soul to this guy and bammer. You used to be the best.

Mayo

August 9th, 2010
12:14 pm

Tide Rising,

I never said that there was anything wrong with SEC titles…that should be every team’s #1 goal–nor did I say Dubose was a bad era (I could have said ‘Bama would return to Shula-type #s…); but only if–and when Saban leaves…(he WILL at some point of course). By the way, I don’t recall ever trotting out any “nonsense” for the past 3-4 years. Those who have said so may well be basing their statements on “hope” (no matter to me how long he stays); however they do have a modicum of truth on their side. Saban has a track record of bolting after a short tenture.
Personally, I think he’s in Tuscaloosa for a while. How’s that for nonsense?

Tide Rising

August 9th, 2010
12:14 pm

SSIgator,

It wouldn’t surprise me if at the end of the season people are saying Saban goes to the Cowboys and Meyer goes to the Steelers. I would agree that its rather pathetic.

bruce mac

August 9th, 2010
12:15 pm

Tampa Gator, Richt averages 10 wins a season. Now who needs to get real?

Justin

August 9th, 2010
12:17 pm

Don’y yall see? Dooley’s a victim of Kiffen? Dooley isn’t responsible for Tenneessee’s losing record this year? Feel sorry for him yet? Buy his excuses yet?

Mayo

August 9th, 2010
12:18 pm

“SSIgator”

Not quite (always the same). Tide Rising miscontrued my comments regarding Saban’s tenure. I for one couldn’t care less how long he (or anyone at any other school) stays. ‘Bama being good is good for the SEC.

Drake

August 9th, 2010
12:20 pm

Geez, anybody with sense knows Richt’s a top 5 coach when it comes to the only thing that matters, consistently winning football games. Agree, Saban and Meyer got lucky inherting other coach’s players, Meyer got lucky with Strong, Saban got lucky inherting other coach’s players–Saban can’t win a National Championship with his own recruits.

Pawlie

August 9th, 2010
12:23 pm

Actually Tony, no, Saban is NOT consistent. Saban’s past record indicates he’s the most up and down coach in the nation, wins less than 7 games a season 50% of his seasons. Rarely follows a top 10 years with another, like once is his entire life. Look what happened the year after Saban won his Natl Champ at LSU?

Tide Rising

August 9th, 2010
12:26 pm

“Right now, ‘Bama has Nick Saban. If/when he leaves, they will return to a program like they were under Dubose.”

Mayo,

There’s not a lot to misconstrue about a statement like that. Incidentally you may be right. We may revert back to a program like under Debose-or like under Stallings. Who really knows?

All programs ebb and flow and we certainly will not dominate or be on top forever. No one will. Too much balance, too many good teams. Programs like OU, Texas, and Ohio state were dormant for 10+ years from the late 80s throughout the 90s and are now top 10 fixtures. Likewise Michigan and ND are going through a down cycle but will eventually be back.

SSIgator

August 9th, 2010
12:26 pm

TampaGator -

Retirement takes a little while to adjust to, but once you get in the groove it sure beats having to go to work every day. Trust me, you will enjoy it.

TJ

August 9th, 2010
12:27 pm

Let me preface what I’m about to say by saying all of the teams that Im calling out had great seasons last year…

I disagree with coaches poll completely… there’s no way the ACC is worthy of having 6 ranked teams. Georgia Tech won’t beat Kansas or Georgia, UNC will get embarrassed by LSU, and plays a candy cane schedule. Why are these teams ranked in the Top 25.

By the same token, Arkansas is rated way above where they’ll finish. We all know where Houston Nutt’s teams finish when expectations are high….

Mayo

August 9th, 2010
12:30 pm

Me thinks Mark Richt addressed his achilles heel (Willie M.). When VanGorder was at UGA, they were more consistent and had fewer “nailbiter” games–and much less blowouts like the travesty in Knoxville last year. Won a couple of conference championships too.

This year should set up well with his O-line and returners on defense. BUT not only does UF present him with the usual challenge this year; South Carolina is a solid (serious) conference/div threat for the first time since Spurrier went there.

Tide Rising

August 9th, 2010
12:31 pm

Pawlie,

You’re right about Saban’s record but you’re also comparing apples and oranges. His overall record includes stops at very hard to win places like Toledo and Mich state-perennial little brother in Michigan and in the big 10 in general. But if you look at his record in the sec at LSU and Bama he is 75% (36 of 48)at LSU and 31-8 at Bama which is 80%. So in SEC only stints he is .775 with 3 sec titles and 2 bcs titles in 8 seasons. That’s pretty good and better than everybody in the league except Meyer.

Grant

August 9th, 2010
12:32 pm

John Brantley was the QB that called the extra timeouts at the end of the 2008 Georgia-Florida game.

This guy was incredibly rude and disrespectful to Georgia.

The Georgia defense will PERSONALLY make Brantley pay for that.

It’s personal, and untested inexperienced Johnnie Brantley will regret calling those timeouts.

Mayo

August 9th, 2010
12:33 pm

Tide Rising,

Your quote: “Or you can trot out the ole nonsense about how he’s leaving after the season-come to say it they’ve been saying that for 3-4 years now.”

If by “you” you mean me, you misconstrued. “If/when he leaves” isn’t in the same company as the naysayers who “have said this for 3-4 years, etc.

Nevertheless, I said what I said. I’m not getting into a pissing contest.

Pawlie

August 9th, 2010
12:34 pm

Anyone know what record Saban had the season after he won a National Championship at LSU?

SSIgator

August 9th, 2010
12:35 pm

Grant -

Meyer called time, not Brantley. Moron.

Grant

August 9th, 2010
12:37 pm

Wrong, Johnnie Brantley was the QB on the field, smiling all the way.

It was a disrespectful thing to do, and he will reap the consequences.

TampaGator

August 9th, 2010
12:38 pm

TJ….update your lack of SEC knowledge….Huston Nett is now the head coach at Ole Miss, not Arkansas. That woul be the nortorious for Atlanta Falcons coach currently at Arkansas….Patrino….but not to be mistaken for the current head basketball coach at Louisville….that other Pa…..something…Pe….something.

TampaGator

August 9th, 2010
12:38 pm

That would be Houston Nutt, of course. Typing not so good today.

Grant

August 9th, 2010
12:39 pm

You just don’t go and call timeouts and diss a team like Unetested Inexperienced Johnnie Brantley did.

He will be hoping for a timeout after Georgia finishes with him on Oct. 30.

Fast Eddie

August 9th, 2010
12:39 pm

Almost every school in the SEC (with the exception of Vandy) obviously has very good talent every year but some schools always appear to have superior talent, i.e., UA, UF, UGA, and LSU. Three of those 4 schools nave won MNC’s during this decade. I just can’t seem to remember the only one without a MNC in that group!

Grant

August 9th, 2010
12:40 pm

Saban went 9-3 at LSU, 6-2 SEC, finished 2nd in West, after winning the previous year at LSU. No, he does not follow a good year with another good year too often.

Tide Rising

August 9th, 2010
12:41 pm

Pawlie,

He went 9-3 the year after winning the title at LSU. So what? You’re not going to sustain an incredibly high level of performance after every single great year. That’s just common sense. Its the same reason why Meyer went 9-4 after winning his first title in 06 and its the same reason why Richt lost 3 games in 2003 after winning his first sec title in 2002 and he went 9-4 in 06 after winning the sec in 2005. But while Meyer also went 9-4 after winning one of his 2 titles he also went 13-1 after winning the other one. So what is your point?

TampaGator

August 9th, 2010
12:42 pm

Grant….(otherwise known as about 500 other post names)…..

Running on the field to celebrate in the end zone (AFTER FINALLY SCORING A TD ON FLORIDA….WOW) was a little bit more disrespectful don’t you think???….and Georgia “DID” pay the consequences for it last year (BIG TIME)….and Florida did it on the field and with time outs….not on summer time blogs and not right up in Georgia players faces.

Tide Rising

August 9th, 2010
12:44 pm

Grant,

Saban just won 2 back to back 12 win seasons. Who else has done that in the sec? Urban Meyer and that’s it.

TampaGator

August 9th, 2010
12:45 pm

Grant….I sure hope you come back on here as a recognizable post….after the game in Jax this year……but certainly not as any name that can be directly associated with you…..by the way…..I am TAMPAGATOR and have been for years. And I will be back on here after the Georgia-Florida game….as TAMPAGATOR….win or lose. But if your players go after Brantley….your coach will again give the Gator team reason to stomp on you in future years.

Grant

August 9th, 2010
12:45 pm

Brantley will pay for calling the timeouts against Georgia in 2008. it was a punk thing to do.

Brantley will be paid back heavily for each timeout. It’s personal. it was rude, he disrespected the Dogs. He will pay for his decision.

Mayo

August 9th, 2010
12:46 pm

@ SSIgator:

I’m assuming you retired to St Simons Island (”SSI”)? If so, that’s my (planned) retirement destination as well. Already a 2nd home.

Grant

August 9th, 2010
12:47 pm

The Dogs will not forget what Brantley did to them in 2008. He disrespected the whole Bulldog nation by calling those timouts with a big lead. He will reap what he has sown.

TampaGator

August 9th, 2010
12:49 pm

Tide Rising…..

Lou Saban is currently the best coach in the SEC. Relax. Urban Meyer is a very, very close second….and that positioning will probably go back and forth for several years to come no matter what these people think….yeah….Saban is going to leave Alabama for Michigan next year. These are the same people who were on here posting that Urban Meyer had already agreed to coach Notre Dame last year. They are real experts (NOT) on coaching changes. Who in there right mind would leave Alabama for Michigan or Florida for Notre Dame. Both are career step downs and the coaches that would do that would lose professional respectibility. Saban is Bama for a long time. Meyer…same at Florida….now that he had learned to delegate….and he has.

Tdawg

August 9th, 2010
12:51 pm

Saban is right. No national title this year. No SEC title either. Heck not even a SEC west title.

TampaGator

August 9th, 2010
12:52 pm

Grant……

(or whoever you post as next)…..look up the word….I hate to post it but you made me do it….”buffoon”…..in the dictionary.

LOL

August 9th, 2010
12:53 pm

Tampagator, keep responding to him and you may just need to look that word up yourself.

Mayo

August 9th, 2010
12:54 pm

Grant,

Who cares if a UF player was rude?? It’s the job of those dressed in Red & Black to take away the reason(s) for such “treatment.” That’s the game today: taunting, pointing, etc. Wish it weren’t but “thems the facts.” ALL teams have moments in which individuals (or several) do things they shouldn’t.

As for the reference to UGA rushing onto the field (I for one didn’t care for that move) it WAS due to the players taking the coach’s directions over the top to “go celebrate.” I think Richt meant for the offense to celebrate and get excited and maybe be called for it–not the whole team rush the field. At least that’s what he said at one time. In any case: they paid for it later.

Delbert D.

August 9th, 2010
12:54 pm

TampaGator – Enjoy your last 2 days, and then pursue a carefree life of leisure. Not gonna leave the blogs, are you?

Grant

August 9th, 2010
12:54 pm

TampaGator/Brend/Tide Rising-

thanks for the kind words, your jr. high insults give away your fake names.

Coach or not Meyers

August 9th, 2010
12:55 pm

I’m the STAR of the team this year and I will get all the attention ..my shrink says!

Tide Rising

August 9th, 2010
12:56 pm

Tampagator,

Nice to hear that you put Saban ahead of Meyer but based on pure numbers and stats I would still have to put Meyer ahead of Saban. More titles in fewer years, higher winning %, more success at Utah and BG than Saban had at his previous stops. They are 1-1 against each other but based on all the other numbers Meyer has a very clear cut head to head lead using just about any statistical analyses. Besides, as Saban himself puts it he’s just a good coach who happens to be a great recruiter.

TampaGator

August 9th, 2010
12:56 pm

SSI Gator…

I have been going back and forth from Atlanta to Tampa for years. I love it there….but the big adjustment will be not being able to drive to the mountains on the weekends. I need to get a cabin up there for two weeks in the summer to help with the adjustment, I think. At least, in Tampa, I am only 2 hours from THE SWAMP!!! GLORY!!!

Delbert D.

August 9th, 2010
12:57 pm

Anyone heard the rumor that Saban has quietly inquired about the AD job at Georgia? I say it’s far-fetched and pure speculation.

Grant

August 9th, 2010
12:58 pm

Who cares if John Brantley called multiple timeouts at the end of the Georgia-Florida game with a lead?

It’s one of thos eunwritten class rules that Brantley broke. He broke the ethical code, and as the QB on the field when it happened, John Brantley will have to personally be held accountable for his decision by Grantham and the georgia defense.

it’s personal, and all Georgia defensive eyes will be aimed for untested, inexperienced John Brantley.

John Brantley’s decision to insult the entire Bulldog nation with the late game timeouts will haunt him on Oct. 30. He will regret being a part of that.

Tide Rising

August 9th, 2010
12:59 pm

Grant,

I can’t speak for Brenda but myself and Tampagator have been using the same handles for at least a couple years now.

TampaGator

August 9th, 2010
12:59 pm

Tide Rising….

Take a mirror…and Saban and Meyer look very much the same with coaching styles and philosophy…..although I must say Meyer is more personalble in public with his players. Saban is more so in private….but he is a little bit more of a hard a… than Meyer….as far a public imaage. But I would take either one to coach my son…if I have one that was going into college…that was years ago.

Grant

August 9th, 2010
1:00 pm

Tide Rising/Tampa Gator/Delbert-

Why do you change handles so often?

SSIgator

August 9th, 2010
1:00 pm

Mayo -

Have been living here for years. Just recently retired. Come visit more often. Our local economy needs the money.

randy marsh

August 9th, 2010
1:01 pm

i think the team to beat until proven otherwise is florida in the east. i hope it is my dawgs, but we will see. wether it is the east or west in the sec the fact remains that it is the best……………… tampa gator i think the record before 3 and 17 was 5 and 15 dawgs. they were playing football before 1990. at least we as uga fans are proud of our program the previous 50 years. the tide will turn , maybe not this year but it will. also UT might be getting whats coming after the ncaa decided not to do anything about the t martin stuff. and if it is true, rattin out other schools. but it is sad to see plain drippen run off and leave such a storied program a mess.UT fan or not.

TampaGator

August 9th, 2010
1:01 pm

Grant…..

as I posted…..PLEAE LOOK UP THE WORD……”buffoon”…..in the dictionary….or just plain…..”Bore”….if you will.

Tide Rising

August 9th, 2010
1:06 pm

Grant,

Same with Delbert D. He’s been using his same handle for at least a couple years now.

Delbert,

Saban as the AD at Georgia? That seems pretty farfetched but I could see that much more realistically than I could see him taking on a whole new coaching job anywhere else. It makes sense and it wouldn’t be hard to see at all since he would so close to his retirement lake house at Lake Burton I think it is. He will burn out as a head coach and if he wants to keep working an AD position would be perfect. And what better AD position then one right near his lake house?

cadawg

August 9th, 2010
1:06 pm

i would agree with tampagator that coach meyer and UF have to get the benefit of the doubt from their own fan base as well as ours: we’ve got to assume that those boys are going to be ready to play this year and every year, and it doesn’t make sense to hide behind irrelevant observations like “gatorade national players of the year don’t win NC’s” and “brantley played at a small high school.” who cares? what matters is what happens on the field, and UF has kicked our butt the last couple of years (and yeah, 17 out of 20 blah blah blah, etc…) because they were more disciplined, more focused, more consistent, and better prepared than we were. if we eliminate turnovers (we’re -8 the last two years, btw) or even force a couple ourselves, we’ll be fine. i think we have a good chance to do that this year, and that’s why i like our chances.

Mayo

August 9th, 2010
1:07 pm

Grant,

Perhaps someone will take umbrage with UF’s QB during this years GA-FL game but I stand by my point that if you beat someone on the scoreboard you shouldn’t have to worry about it…

Just my .02

SSIgator

August 9th, 2010
1:09 pm

randy marsh -

“the tide will turn”

Yeah, it sure did. What was it? 31-0 at the half?

Tee Martin

August 9th, 2010
1:09 pm

My car broke down again. Can someone get me a big UT fan who I’ve never met before to wire me some money for car repairs? I checked with the NCAA. Its all good.

Tide Rising

August 9th, 2010
1:13 pm

Grant,

You’ve spent some time being upset about Brantley calling timeouts in the 08 UGA-UF game and you are vowing payback. If you were really mad about it you should have extracted payback in 09 rather than waiting till 2010. Why wait? Don’t get mad. Get even.

17 of 20

August 9th, 2010
1:14 pm

Grant,

John Brantley will only be in the Georgia game for the first half because the Gators will have scored all the points they need by halftime to beat the Bulldogs. Trey Burton will be calling time out’s this year late in the fourth quarter to again send the Bulldogs home as losers.

TampaGator

August 9th, 2010
1:15 pm

Delbert D…..

to answer your question…..probably more breaks between posts (not everyone say “thank goodness” at once)….got to sell a lot of stuff and and then get relocated into the home real near by beloved Caladesi Island (nver been there….you should go….but you have to take a ferry ride if you are not walking down from Clearwater Beach)…..just love those long walks from Clearwater Beach to Caladesi in the mornings…and saying hello to my dolphin friends along the way….and more into long road bike rides as well. And the motor bike rides. And the fishing. And…I hope my wife isn’t reading this…the beautiful ladies on the beach. And the next great book…anyone currently reading one? I haven’t read a really good one since the “Genesis Secret.” Anyway….and most importantly…only a 2-hour drive to….THE SWAMP….on Saturday mornings instead of a plane ride on Friday nights, etc. Just a little more than 3 weeks to kick off…and we should also be settled in Tampa by then. Lots to do soon. But college football is almost here….I just hope not hurricanes as well.

PTC DAWG

August 9th, 2010
1:15 pm

IF UGA wins 9 and doesn’t get run of the field this year in a game or two, that will be HUGE improvement.

I wish no ill will on the UT fans or program.

UF better? Like others have said, that would take 14-0…..time will tell.

Mayo

August 9th, 2010
1:18 pm

Lord knows I never want to break one of thos eunwritten rules….

TampaGator

August 9th, 2010
1:24 pm

cadawg…..

finally….an intelligent and relevant Dawg post. I completely agree with you. Turnovers have really hurt Georgia in recent years and a play here or there could have made the scores closer or helped Georgia win a few they lost to Florida. There is not a significant difference in the quality of players the two teams put on the field every year….the major difference has been the coaching of Steve Spurrier and Urban Meyer. Heck…even Ron Zook did OK against Georgia. Richt needs to step up his coaching…and it appears he has made some very positive assistant coaching changes to help coach up those very talent players he has on the team. I think this year’s game is going down to the wire. I also believe Georgia is highly underrated. I would put them in the top ten except for Murray’s lack of time working in the Georgia system. But he is an excellent QB…..and if he develops quickly in the Georgia system this year….Georgia will be come not only a SEC-East threat….but also a national threat as well. But you aren’t going to lose…..according to Forrest Gump….I mean GRANT…..because of Brantley. If you beat the Gators….it will be because of pre-game coaching and the improved play of your QB. PERIOD. Right now….Richt is holding a second fiddle to Meyer as far as coaching. He has an opportunity this year to move up some as one of the best coaches in the SEC….if Richt can guide his team in wins over, first, South Carolina and Arkansas (neither will be easy tasks for Georgia) and then Florida. Good luck….you will need it….as all successful teams know.

SSIgator

August 9th, 2010
1:25 pm

Tide Rising -

Regarding Grant (and all the other names he posts under) it is called frustration. It is like all the Dawg fans I know here on the island. They all hate being dominated by the Gators of recent, but they know it is out of there hands. At least here we still play golf together, fish or whatever. Yeah, we trade barbs with each other, but poor old Grant sounds like he will kill himself if UGA loses to the Gators again.

Grant

August 9th, 2010
1:28 pm

SSI Gator/Mayo/Tampa Gator/Brenda/PTC Dawg-

My, someone sure does change their handle a bunch, wonder why?

Grant

August 9th, 2010
1:29 pm

I like it when the fake handles, all the same person, start ‘talking to each other’, that’s my clue to leave the blog.

TampaGator

August 9th, 2010
1:31 pm

PTC Dawg….

That is what is great about the current Florida football program…they are hard at working trying to overcome the failure of a 13-1 and Sugar Bowl win season. Life is tough….but you work hard at it.

For that reason alone….I would not want to be in Urban Meyer’s shoes. How to you improve on 2 NC in 4 years and the disappointment of a 13-1 season…..really the loss to Alabama.

Well….you get busy in the spring and summer and the players get a lot bigger…stronger…and smarter….and believe me…the Gator players have….as I am sure the Bama players have. I know I am not supposed to look forward to it….and I hope the Gator players aren’t….but I am looking forward to heading over to Bama this fall…..they hear they have a great bar-b-Q place there too. Yum! Yum!

Grant2

August 9th, 2010
1:33 pm

Grant-

Great comments, best everr, you’re a genuis!!

TampaGator

August 9th, 2010
1:33 pm

Grant…..

Before you leave….did you look up the word….”buffoon?” Go read a book while you are gone….you might learn something!

Grant

August 9th, 2010
1:35 pm

thanks TampaGator/Tide Rising/SSI Gator/Mayo/Brenda/PTC Dawg (could they all be the same person–using fake names)

Have a fun time in here talking to yourself for the rest fo the afternoon.

TampaGator

August 9th, 2010
1:36 pm

You know…Grant….the reason we all know you are posting as several different people….and the ones you claim are…are not….is because so many of your posts read the same and have the same level of knowledge and background knowledge association.

Send the AJC a challenge….ask them if our posts are coming from the same person and if you have posted under several different names. They can check that, you know, or maybe YOU DIDN’T KNOW…probably so.

Tide Rising

August 9th, 2010
1:38 pm

Grant= Pat Sulley= 4 million other handle names.

TampaGator

August 9th, 2010
1:39 pm

Like Grant (that is a scary thought)…I have to go….some work needs to get done today…if I like it or not. Have a nice rest of the day.

Tide Rising

August 9th, 2010
1:41 pm

Grant,

I reckon you got us busted. The same bama fan is also a gator fan and what’s this-ptc dawg? I guess I’m the same person being a dawg fan too. That makes a lotta sense.

Anonymous

August 9th, 2010
1:42 pm

Grant:

“I like it when the fake handles, all the same person, start ‘talking to each other’, that’s my clue to leave the blog.”

Threat, or promise?

Lane Kiffin

August 9th, 2010
1:42 pm

I believe every thing Lane Kiffin says.

Mayo

August 9th, 2010
1:43 pm

I’m going to give Grant the benefit of the doubt. I think he’s about 10 but no older than 12.

Calling all Gators

August 9th, 2010
1:48 pm

To all gaters – take your yankee arses back to Florida and stay there. Please get out of Ellijay, Blue Ridge, and Atlanta. And stop reading the ajc. Thanks. Citizens for a Clean Georgia

Gatorzone

August 9th, 2010
1:51 pm

Ignore his idiocy, and he will go away…

You guys are taking the bait.

Sick of TampaGator and Tide Rising

August 9th, 2010
1:52 pm

TampaGator and Tide Rising, go somewhere else for awhile.

Citizens for a Clean Georgia

August 9th, 2010
1:53 pm

Mayo

August 9th, 2010
2:02 pm

Calling all Gators

August 9th, 2010
2:03 pm

Rather be a redneck than a D-bag Gater like the cast of Jersey Shore.

Beast from the East

August 9th, 2010
2:04 pm

It appears school got out early today and the “children” have hijacked the blog, once again.

DP

August 9th, 2010
2:11 pm

Sulley = H Back, Greg, Lincoln, Paulie and Grant so far on this blog, at a minimum.

How would Sulley know that Brantley called a couple of timeouts late in the FL-GA game a couple of years ago? The Georgia fans had all vacated the stadium and turned off their TV sets by then. Did he read it in the newspaper?

gadawgs

August 9th, 2010
2:11 pm

Tampa Gator….CMR has averaged 10 wins per during his tenure not 8. As a matter of fact the record for our two beloved institutions in the nine years that CMR has been at UGA is as follows:
UGA 90-27
UF 90-26

Unfortunately, 7 of those 27 losses have come against you guys and until we beat you I am not going to beat my chest like H Back. Yes, you have won two NC to our none over that same time frame. But if you would HONESTLY with no bias look at the two years that we SHOULD have been chosen to play for the National Championship but the football gods intervened you will see that we could very well have two ourselves:

2002 we ended the season at 13-1 (the same exact record your mighty Gators had during both of their title runs).

2007 we ended the regular season at 10-2 (and by the end of the season were the best team in the country. Not me saying it but alot of experts.With our bowl game win we finished 11-2) That same year LSU played for and won the National Championship with guess what the exact same regular season record as us @ 10-2 (they finished 12-2 with victories in the SEC CG and NC) .Even though the 2008 regular season ended with a loss to Arkansas in Little Rock. Despite the loss, LSU would go on to the SEC championship game. LSU won the 2007 SEC title, beating Tennessee 21–14. The night of LSU’s SEC title victory, the teams then ranked number one and two lost allowing LSU to be ranked #2 (even though UGA was ranked #4 at the time but were idle. We not only were denied the chance to play for it all but we dropped in the rankings even though the teams in front of us lost) in the AP, Coaches, Harris, and BCS polls. LSU beat the Buckeyes in the 2008 BCS Championship, 38-24. If UGA would have played OSU we would have won. Not making excuses just stating facts. Sometimes you have to be lucky as well as good to get the chance to play for it all in the first place.

Again, with all of that being said until we show that we can beat you guys consistently you have to be the pick in the East. But times are a changin’ and your run will end sooner than later (they always do).

Beast from the East

August 9th, 2010
2:20 pm

gadawgs,
Stating that “If UGA would have played OSU we would have won” is not “just stating facts”. You cannot have facts based on “ifs”.
I understand the point you are trying to make, but please do not try and pass your opinion on an imaginary game off as a fact. It reduces your argument to less than believable. I think we all know there is some luck involved in getting the opportunity to play in the BCS title game. So far, UGA has not been lucky enough in the years they’ve fielded really strong teams.

Mayo

August 9th, 2010
2:35 pm

@ Beast from the East-

gadawgs was extrapolating just a bit on the OSU game-that-never-occurred, but hey it’s not too much of a stretch. Have you seen OSU’s record against the SEC (including UGA)?

Now I really do have to sign off this time. Good day all.

Blue

August 9th, 2010
2:43 pm

yeah, because coaches say ALL THE TIME; “yeah…I cheated. What of it??”

Beast from the East

August 9th, 2010
2:43 pm

Mayo,
I know OSU hasn’t fared too well against SEC teams recently. But to just “pencil in ” a win is going a bit too far. We never know the outcome until the game is played. That’s why I cringe when Gator fans “assume” UF is just going to walk through UGA every year. I guess they just forget about years like 1997, 2007, etc. I never assume anything when it comes to college football. I’ve seen way too many upsets over the years.

dawgster

August 9th, 2010
2:49 pm

TampaGator, i happen to agree with your posts regarding some of the dawg failures against the gators over the past few years, hopefully we will see different results this year as i believe we have the talent and with some of the coaching moves that were made, we have an opportunity..Our team is very, very good, and i like what i am hearing about the incoming freshman..Yea, the QB position is scary, not only with a RS Freshman that has never taken a snap, lbut also the inexperience behind him…Although i thimk we will be much improve on both sides of the ball, i’m not sure we can take the SEC East yet or not..I will say that the gators need to not disrespect us as we are building a wealth of talent over here and with what we have committed next year so far and what is possibly going to be some big surprises, we will be very competitive…Hopefully the coaching staff will be able to take advantage of this talent..We all have to remember that the SEC schools are not that far apart in overall talent for the most part, and though Coaching is obvisiously a very large part of it, it still takes the players doing it in the game and of course a little luck now and then goes along way…

Beast from the East

August 9th, 2010
2:59 pm

dawgster,
I agree with you on the talent level. There a lots of great players all around the country. You see that every year during the NFL draft. UGA has certainly had their share and will continue to do so. Should be a much more compelling game this year than it has been the last few.

Jesse James

August 9th, 2010
3:03 pm

Kiffin doesn’t know the difference between what is right and what wrong!

VININGS DAWG

August 9th, 2010
3:04 pm

The problem with Grayshirting is paying for these kids to be inschool in June as some the kids at both Bama and LSU. Who paid that tab? If the schools paid for the tab then these kids, then go to them in August and now say sorry. It is wrong..

gadawgs

August 9th, 2010
3:11 pm

Beast… True & good point, one cannot assume we would have won against OSU but as Mayo said in his post I was extrapolating a little based not only OSU’s bowl record against SEC teams but with the way both teams were playing at the time. In my belief (which is not fact) we would have beaten OSU that year and won the National Championship. Unfortunately, we did not get the chance. Looking forward to this year though. Gonna be fun.

5IML

August 9th, 2010
3:52 pm

The project manager and lead architect for the expansion of Bryant-Denny are both Auburn grads. Auburn can now share in BAMA’s success and stop being so jealous. This is truly a great day!

Ron Mexico

August 9th, 2010
4:19 pm

Tide Rising -

It is exactly as simple as I mentioned with gray-shirting.

Obviously you can’t see into the future and tell with any certainty about attrition.

However, if I recall correctly, teams are able to sign 25 players each year. Scholarship limits are at 85. Some players stick around for just three years, some for 5 (or occasionally, 6). If you can’t keep 80-85 players each year, you have to ask yourself about the kind of players you’re recruiting. It does not make sense to go after 15 kids with questionable test scores the year after you had 10 kids fail to qualify academically.

Certainly, if this were a business, I’d like a full roster. But to play with 83 scholarship players is much better than doing a disservice to a single student-athlete. If these kids want to play at a major school THAT BADLY, be up front with them, tell them they can walk on and have a chance to earn a scholarship their 2nd year once the attrition hits. Don’t tell them the full ride is there, then oh, sorry, you qualified but so did everyone else, so you need to hang at a JUCO this year when you could have been playing at USF, Texas A&M or even Arkansas St.

As you know there are ways around the 25 man rule, having players enroll early to count against the prior year’s class, and other tricks. I would not be opposed to a four year rule allowing a class to go past the 25 man limit once every four years in cases such as Auburn where there was significant attrition. But I can’t stand behind anyone who offers a scholarship they don’t have. It is exactly that plain and simple.

Delbert D.

August 9th, 2010
5:00 pm

I’m just catching up here. To whom it may concern, TampaGator, Tide Rising and I are separate entities. Notice I said, “entities,” not “identities,” as in real people. The three of us have had many encounters in AJC blogland.

- TampaGator, If you like crime novels, Robert Crais is a relative newcomer (23 years of writing), but I’ve read all of his. Follow his own recommendation and start with “LA Requiem.” I’m reading James Ellroy’s “LA Quartet” series (The Black Dahlia, et al,) and Ellroy is a *whole* lot darker.

- Tide Rising, the Lake Burton angle on future moves by Mr. Saban may actually give that sneaky rumor some legs. My uncle lived up there for almost 40 years and he was a big trout fisherman.

Nokia Theatre in Times Square

August 9th, 2010
5:43 pm

————————–
Nesbitt for Heisman
————————–

how2fish

August 9th, 2010
5:55 pm

TampaGator best of luck in retirement..Gator or no you bring the passion a true college fan should without the vitriol so many other do…best of luck to you none for the Gators !

lkjlkj

August 9th, 2010
6:09 pm

I have no problems with ‘grayshirting’ as long as the players can accept multiple scholarships based on the very reasonable premise that they need to cover their bases should an offer be revoked. I suspect the coaches & others who see no problem with the practice would object if we even it out.

zeeeee Nachos aka the "Living Legend"

August 9th, 2010
6:38 pm

What’s all this talk about the almighty Saban?? This is an Atlanta newspaper right?

I SAY IT’S GREAT TO BE A GEORGIA BULLDAWG (in the preseason before they play the games)
7-5 mutts… read it & weep

Jiffy Jeff

August 9th, 2010
6:50 pm

Grant has some amazing posts. Very insightful as always, clearly the cream of this blog’s crop.

Dale

August 9th, 2010
6:51 pm

Agreed Jiffy, he is obviously a step beyond guys like Tide Rising.

Earl

August 9th, 2010
6:53 pm

If we could just get Grant to post 20 times more than Delbert, we might just have some intelligent things to blog sabout here. I guess that’s imnpossible.

Jiffy Jeff

August 9th, 2010
6:59 pm

Grant’s the first person I’ve seen on the internet to point out that it was John Brantley who was the QB on the field when the timeouts were called against Georgia. Pretty interesting how no one else has noticed that.

Earl

August 9th, 2010
7:02 pm

Guys, Grant also was the only blogger today to hit on how Nick Saban is pretty inconsistent. It’s true, go look at his record. Surprising.

Dale

August 9th, 2010
7:04 pm

Precisely fellows, and imagine someone like Tampa Gator calling Grant, of all people on the blog, a ‘buffoon’? I didn’t get that. I thought Grant had some amazing posts.

Earl

August 9th, 2010
7:09 pm

Why do you think Saban lost 3 games after his big year in LSU? Might be he sort of stacks the deck for a big year every 9 or 10 years, and then pretty much throws the rest of the seasons in the crapper. Saban probably hopes everybody measures him by 2 years, instead of his WHOLE coachign career record. A lot of 6 and 7 win season in there, even a 7 win season in Tuscaloosa.

Dale

August 9th, 2010
7:14 pm

Well, it comes down to your definitation of success, doesn’t it? Saban probably thinks he’s successful because he has 2 good seasons, where a Coach like Coach Richt probably defines success more about consistency and winning.

Jiffy Jeff

August 9th, 2010
7:17 pm

I’ll bet Georgia will remember those timeouts Brantley called in 2008 when they start watching the film from the last couple of Ga/Fla games and it’s going to effect the way the defense plays.

simplythetruth

August 9th, 2010
7:19 pm

Pat Hayden will kick Kiffen’s tail if he gets out of line at USC. Hayden has more class than Kiffen,Carroll, or that idiot former AD. USC is very close to getting the “death penalty” when you think about it. Ogeron and Kiffen alone are fully capable of doing something stupid enough to get the boom lowered. I hope so.

Dale

August 9th, 2010
7:27 pm

Why did Saban lose 3 games at LSU after wiining the Championship? Could be his team got too full of themselves after that year, happens a bunch, very few teams repeat in college football, especilly in the SEC. You start building statues with your own face on em’, and you got a lot of ego involved.

Jiffy Jeff

August 9th, 2010
7:29 pm

I’ve always thought guys who are only good once or twice over a long career, just got a lucky year in there where every break went their way. Saban’s career kind of has that trajectory. He’s not much of a coach, except 2 or 3 seasons over his career.

Roy

August 9th, 2010
7:35 pm

Sounds like the Florida running backs are still a little sore at Tebow for calling his own number on so many option plays last season. it was wierd how many times tebow called his own number, considering Demps rushing average was a lot better thsan Tebow’s. But for Demps to think his team will be better WITHOUT a bunch of primma donnas? He’s got a whole team full of 5 star recruits. Nothing but primma donnas on the Florida team.

Earl

August 9th, 2010
7:39 pm

Keep in mind that Derek Dooley beat Nick Saban, while Dooley was coaching at L. Tech and Saban was in Tuscaloosa, pretty bad for Alabama Crimson Tide to lose to L. Tech. Not much coaching right there, I think that was back in 2007, or 2008, can’t remember.

Jiffy Jeff

August 9th, 2010
7:44 pm

No, I think it was Loisiana Monroe, not Lousisiana Tech that beat Saban’s Tide back in 2007. Saban compared that loss ot Pearl Harbor, such a classy guy.

Dale

August 9th, 2010
7:45 pm

Holy cow, comparing a football game to Pearl Harbor? Tell me your joking? Where do these kind of coaches come from?

Jiffy Jeff

August 9th, 2010
7:47 pm

Oh that’s nothing by Saban’s standards. He got voted ‘the most hated man in sports’ by Forbes magazine for leaving Miami for Alabama. A lot of people felt Nick S. just straight up lied.

Earl

August 9th, 2010
7:49 pm

Yeah, that’s right, it was L. Monroe, not L. Tech, gave Derek Dooley too much credit. Saban’s back to his insult game–called sports agents ‘pimps’ last week. Real dignified there.

Johnny Rocker

August 9th, 2010
7:51 pm

Anyone who proclaims to be “first” is a fag.

Jiffy Jeff

August 9th, 2010
7:54 pm

I’ll bet you Saban’s career winning percentage will not be on his statue.

Earl

August 9th, 2010
8:10 pm

Oh yeah, I found the video where Saban compared losing to L. Monroe & MSU back to back to Pearl Harbor and 911. That comment was a slap in the face to the coaches that beat him. it was also shocking to the 911 and Pearl Harbor families. Just so tasteless.

Here’s that video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8zQseQkcII&feature=fvw

Jiffy Jeff

August 9th, 2010
8:37 pm

Here’s Saban’s career:
1) 1990- 9-2
next season 6-5

2) 97- 7-5
next season 6-6

3) 99- 9-2
next season 8-4

4) 01- 10-3
next season 8-5

5) 03- 13-1
next season 9-3

6) 09- 12-1
10- 13-0

5 out of 6 times, he went downhill after a decent year.

Earl

August 9th, 2010
8:40 pm

I think Saban went 12-2 in 08, and then 14-0 in 2009.

Dale

August 9th, 2010
8:43 pm

Saban should start saying ‘how much worse do you want to be than last year?’ That’s more true to his coaching record.

Or maybe ‘just focus on the process of getting worse than the previous year, just always lose more games the next season–focus on the process–of losing more games’

Uncle G

August 9th, 2010
8:45 pm

Guys, give Saban credit, he did get better once in his career, during the 2008-2009 run.

Jiffy Jeff

August 9th, 2010
8:47 pm

I’ve read where some call Saban the most inconsistent coach in college football, now I see why by looking at his record. It’s good one year, worse the next.

Earl

August 9th, 2010
8:50 pm

I look at consecutive top 10 finishes in ’seasons’, not individual ‘games’, when I look for greatness. Anybody can be lucky for a game, like a National Championship, but it’s harder to finish in the top 10 four times in a row like Richt did at Georgia. Something Meyer or Saban, have never been able to do.

Tide Rising

August 9th, 2010
8:52 pm

Ron Mexico,

We’ll just have to respectfully agree to disagree on the grayshirting issue but I think you have one misconception about it. The player or players who redshirt are not sent packing to JUCO for a year. They are only delaying enrollment by 1 semester. Secondly the guys that are told that they may have to take a grayshirt upfront are guys that are project players and would have redshirted anyway and been buried on the depth chart. They wouldn’t have missed any real playing time. Last of course in Bama’s case the couple of players who are told of the possibility of grayshirting are told upfront about this. They know the deal going in and if they don’t like it they don’t have to sign with Bama. They can go to Ark state or elsewhere. No one is forcing them to sign with Bama. As long as you’re upfront with the kid and he understands it and still signs then it is what it is and really shouldn’t be anyone else’s concern. The funny thing is that Mike Shula grayshirted more players every year than Saban yet nobody complained when Shula did it. They only complain that Saban does it. Gee. Can you imagine what the real motivation behind that is?

Tide Rising

August 9th, 2010
8:56 pm

Earl,

That’s a nice stat but Saban was only at LSU for 5 years and when he took over it was a rebuilding year to begin with so not finishing top 10 4 straight years isn’t that unusual. He’s only been at Bama 3 but you can bet that in the next 2 years he will finish top 10 to have that 4 straight top 10 finishes that you seem to think defines a coach. You define a great coach by a good but not great 4 year stretch. I define a coach by sec and national championships of which Saban has 3 conference titles in 8 years and 2 bcs titles while taking over rebuilding jobs at 2 different schools.

Earl

August 9th, 2010
9:04 pm

Saban’s been coaching since 1990, anyone that can name 4 years in a row where he finished in the top 10 final rankings if he’s so good? No? Didn’t think so.

Earl

August 9th, 2010
9:05 pm

If you want to define success as 1 game, versus, 4 seasons, fine. But most people would disagree wiht you.

Tide Rising

August 9th, 2010
9:06 pm

Earl, Jiffy Jeff, Uncle G, and Dale,

You guys sure spend a lot of time talking about how bad Nick Saban sucks. But alas, you are right. The guy sucks as a coach. You must be very happy that we have such a crappy coach. Sucks for us I guess. Terribly inconsistent too while in the sec. Only 3 conference titles and only 2 bcs titles in 8 years of coaching in the sec. Can you imagine coaching 8 years in the sec and only having 3 conference titles and only 2 bcs titles. That’s horrible! Only a 75% winning percentage at LSU and only an 80% winning percentage so far at Bama. I’ll say goodnight now and spend the rest of the evening privately stewing over how bad our coach sucks. Man do I ever hate having such a crappy coach! I hate it!

Earl

August 9th, 2010
9:06 pm

Anyone name 4 seasons in a row where Urban Meyer finished in the top 10 in the final polls if he’s so good?

Jiffy Jeff

August 9th, 2010
9:08 pm

Saban’s been a great coach, 2x in his career.

Jiffy Jeff

August 9th, 2010
9:09 pm

Oops, meant to say 1x, it was his 2008-2009 consecutive top 10 finishes.

Earl

August 9th, 2010
9:10 pm

Saban’s not a great coach, consistently, coach Richt is.

Tide Rising

August 9th, 2010
9:10 pm

You’re right Earl. Anyone head coaching at Toledo should have at least 4 straight top 10 finishes. You’re absolutely right. Just another reason why Saban sucks. Michigan State? The little brother to Michigan, Ohio State, Penn St., and everyone else in the big 10. Yeah, if you can’t finish with 4 straight top 10s there then you really suck. Every other coach that coached before and after Saban at Mich state wins big 10 and national titles left and right. Yep. Mich state. Its certainly a coaches dream to coach there. Yessirreee.

Dale

August 9th, 2010
9:11 pm

WHy ya’ll dragging me into the mud?

Tuscaloosa, Alabama

August 9th, 2010
9:11 pm

.
Joshua Nesbitt for Heisman
.

Earl

August 9th, 2010
9:12 pm

Sabanites are full of excuses for trying to get rid of Sban’s mediocre inconsistency.

Tide Rising

August 9th, 2010
9:13 pm

Earl,

Same with Meyer. He’s only been at uf for 5 years but in the next 2 years his teams will undoubtedly finish top 10 both years and he will hit that magical mark just like Saban that you think seems to define greatness. What will you complain about then?

Earl

August 9th, 2010
9:13 pm

I don’t see Saban or Meyer EVER finishING in the top 10 in the finaL polls 4 times in a row like Richt did at Georgia. Never have, never will.

Dale

August 9th, 2010
9:15 pm

If Richt tossed 9 out of 10 years like Saban, he’d have a National Championship by now too.

Tide Rising

August 9th, 2010
9:16 pm

Earl,

Both have finished top 6 each of the last 2 years. If you don’t think one of the 2 will finish top 10 each of the next 2 years then you need to put away your crack pipe.

BTW, where does 8-5 last year fit into your consistency model? Isn’t a coach supposed to get better the farther he is into his tenure and not regress?

Jiffy Jeff

August 9th, 2010
9:17 pm

The difference between Richt on one side & Saban & Meyer on the other, is Saban & Meyer’s fans can only say they “will” have 4 top 10 final finishes, where Richt’s fans can say he “has” already done it.

Tide Rising

August 9th, 2010
9:17 pm

Dale,

If, if, if, if…….

Tide Rising

August 9th, 2010
9:19 pm

Jiffy Jeff,

Fantastic. Great for you! Do they give crystal trophies for consistency? Or do they only give crystal trophies for championships? Inquiring minds want to know……

Earl

August 9th, 2010
9:19 pm

I define success by consistency not individual games. Saban’s inconsistent hot (lucky), Richt consistently hot (great).

Jiffy Jeff

August 9th, 2010
9:21 pm

Actually, according to Saban’s own definition of success, Richt’s better coach than him. Sban doesn’t define success by “outcomes”, but by “process”. richt’s “process”, is much more consistent and excellent over the long haul than Saban’s.

Earl

August 9th, 2010
9:23 pm

Sban ain’t great in my book. He’s a coach who barely gets past a .700 career winning percentage. Richt’s career winning eprcentage is almost .800, and unlike Meyer & Saban’s, Richt’s is all in the SEC, the toughest conference. He’s leaps and bounds greater than Meyer or Saban, over the long haul.

Tide Rising

August 9th, 2010
9:24 pm

Mmmmh,

Am I missing something? Richt was top 10 4 straight years from 2002-2005. Am I crazy or something or was the last of season in that “streak” way back in 2005. What year is it? Oh, that’s right. Its 2010. I’m just trying to figure out what a good run wayyyyyyy back in 2002-05 has to do with anything today, especially given that the year is 2010. Living in the past are we???

Tide Rising

August 9th, 2010
9:27 pm

Earl,

Sorry dude but Saban’s winning % coaching at 2 sec schools is higher than Richt’s winning % at Georgia. Saban’s overall winning % is lower cause he coached at Toledo and Mich state which are very hard to win places. Are you going to tell me Richt would have 4 straight top 10s coaching at Toledo? On second thoughts don’t answer that question. Please don’t answer that. Better to remain silent and have people think you are a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Dale

August 9th, 2010
9:28 pm

Tell you what, let me know when either Meyer or Saban has 4 top 10 final ranking finishes in a row in the SEC. Until that happens, Richt’s the King of the SEC coaches right now.

Earl

August 9th, 2010
9:30 pm

Hey guys, let’s do it, let’s remind the Bama homer how many 6 win & 7 win seasons Saban has, and compare that to Richt, if he doesn’t stop his comedy routine.

Tide Rising

August 9th, 2010
9:30 pm

Earl,

You are correct and the evidence is overwhelming. As you say Richt is “leaps and bounds” better than Meyer and Saban. You are wayyy to funny.

Tide Rising

August 9th, 2010
9:32 pm

Jiffy Jeff AKA patrick sulley, Earl AKA patrick sulley, Dale AKA patrick sulley,

BUSTED! Come on out Patrick! Gee whiz how many handles can you hide behind?

Earl

August 9th, 2010
9:33 pm

Ok, yopu asked for Bama homer.

6 or 7 win seasons
Saban -5

Richt- 0

Tide Rising

August 9th, 2010
9:33 pm

Patrick Sulley,

Its been fun toying with you and your various aliases. Gotta go now. Have fun with that consistency thing and all the crystal trophies it brings you.

Dale

August 9th, 2010
9:34 pm

Jiffy Jeff

August 9th, 2010
9:35 pm

Another Bama homer–embarrassed and turned away.

Earl

August 9th, 2010
9:36 pm

Later, Mr. 6 Win fan club member.

Dale

August 9th, 2010
9:37 pm

Why do you guys think so many people are Bama homers, like that dude, when Sbana’s record is downright embarrasing? I don’t know, I guess they like a guy who has a big season once a decade.

Jiffy Jeff

August 9th, 2010
9:39 pm

Anybody notice how Bama fans never say goodbye citing Saban’s winning %, it’s always about his trophy (1 good season). My point exactly.

Wes

August 9th, 2010
9:50 pm

If you ran a business like Saban runs a team, you’d go out of business soon. You can’t have 1 good year every decade. You need a great year every year, year after year after year. That’s what I love about Coach Richt.

observor

August 9th, 2010
10:21 pm

In the 2000s Saban has 3 conference titles and 2 ncs since 2003. That’s a little better than one good year a decade. Coach Richt year after year after year-8-5 ring a bell. is that a good year. you guys are all dweebs

Earl

August 9th, 2010
10:40 pm

Another Bama homer, ok, quick, how many 6 or 7 win seasons does Nick Saban have? Ready? 5. Five. 5. Five.

How many 6 or 7 win seasons does Mark Richt have? 0. Zero. o. Zero.

Get it?

Earl

August 9th, 2010
10:43 pm

Richt’s winning %: .769

Saban’s Winning %: .700

Somewhere in Asia

August 9th, 2010
10:49 pm

nesbick for hiesman!!

Flo-Ri-Duh!

August 10th, 2010
12:16 am

Branden Smith is a KEY part of the defense and can’t be replaced. Another hole to be plugged in a leaky ship.

Paul in RDU

August 10th, 2010
12:30 am

The guys who are talking about Richt being a more successful coach that Meyer and Saban have me rolling on the floor laughing. RIcht is a great coach, but he has 2 seasons (out of 9) without a winning record in the SEC. In 5 seasons Urban Meyer has never had a non-winning season in the SEC. Nick Saban followed his only 4-4 conference season (out of 8) in the SEC with 2 8-0 seasons.
Both Meyer and Saban have won as many SEC championships than Richt in fewer seasons and each has won 2 MNC’s. But heck – Saban really had some tough seasons at MSU.

Paul in RDU

August 10th, 2010
12:34 am

Mark Richt has won 10 or more games 6 times and has had less wins the following season 5 times.

Even Saban isn’t that inconsistent

Earl

August 10th, 2010
7:28 am

Bama homers are back., they still don’t get the consistency thing.

Meyer & Saban Career ‘Achievements’:
# of times finish top 10 2 years in a row: 1
# of times finish top 10 3 years in a row: 0
# of times finish top 10 4 years in a row: 0

Mark Richt:
# of times finish top 10 2 years in a row: 1
# of times finish top 10 3 years in a row: 1
# of times finish top 10 4 years in a row: 1

Get it?

Earl

August 10th, 2010
7:31 am

Before Richt got to FSU, 0 top 10 final finishes, after Richt left, 0 final top 10 finishes.

While Richt was at FSU, 12 CONSECUTIVE top 10 finishes in the final polls.

Neither Saban or Meyer can even get close to Richt’s achievements and consistency.

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Hairy Dawg

August 10th, 2010
7:43 am

Dawgs got best talent to win SEC in dominates way. Playing in All Chumps Confrence is like kiddie leagues and not real man football.

Beast from the East

August 10th, 2010
8:13 am

Tony,
Can you have soemone check to see if earl, Dale and Jiffy Jeff are the same person posting under different names and talking to each other? I suspect that is the case. If it is, can we have this person banned?

Ron Mexico

August 10th, 2010
1:27 pm

Tide Rising -

We will have to disagree on this. My bottom line is still that a man shouldn’t offer something that he doesn’t have the rights to.

I’ve never been in a room with a coach discussing a scholarship offer with a recruit, and I’m guessing neither have you. But I could be wrong. I do believe there is some reason to suspect that not all kids understand the impact of signing when a team is over the limit. I do understand the grayshirt issue, and also the other tools used by coaches to get down to the 85 player limit.

Please check out oversigning.com for an in depth look at recruiting. Maybe the data there will do a better job of changing your mind than plain ol’ honor bound guarantees.

E Dog

August 10th, 2010
3:41 pm

Interesting stuff about how Richt compares to Saban, surprised more people arn’t reporting this.

Lane Kiffin

August 13th, 2010
3:10 pm

Bull Dog fans, 45-19, nuff said! HA HA HA HA HA

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