There is peace in the valley–for now
They got it right.
It’s not often you can say that in college athletics because usually when there is a winner in the sports world there is a loser or multiple losers. But in the case of conference expansion, the powers that be in college football put their heads together and got this one right.
As a result, there were a lot of conference commissioners who spent last night breathing a sigh of relief and smoking a victory cigar. That’s what happens when you dodge a bullet that could have ripped a huge hole into the body and heart of college football as we know it.
When Texas announced last night that it would stay and thus hold the 10-team Big 12 together, it allowed the sport to step back from the brink of what could have been a fundamental change in college football as we know it. Some of it would have been good but most of it would have taken on the feel of a shotgun marriage for financial expediency and survival. There would have been some winners but some proud schools with great athletics traditions–we’re talking about you, Kansas–could have been severely damaged.
You have to understand that if all of the dominoes had fallen into place, we could have had two of the six BCS equity conferences (Big East, Big 12) simply put out of the football business. That would have been an ugly and heartbreaking thing to watch for all of us who love college football.
But in the deal that was crafted yesterday, nobody got everything they wanted but just about everybody got something they wanted. That’s the classic definition of a good deal. Let’s run down the conference scorecard this morning:
Big 12: Yeah, they only have 10 teams now that Nebraska has bolted to the Big Ten and Colorado has gone to the Pac-10 (11). That was a good move for both schools. Nebraska wasn’t happy in the Big 12 and will get a big pay raise. Colorado more identifed with the West Coast and will have a chance to compete in football now that the flagship program in the Pac Ten (USC) has been significantly damaged by the choppy waters of the NCAA Committee on Infractions.
You say the Big 12 loses its championship game? Yeah, but you need to know that the coaches in that league are thrilled. They never liked the game and now the winner of the Texas-Oklahoma game can pretty much punch their ticket to a BCS bowl. And the loser has a chance to get into the a big bowl as well. Texas used its considerable muscle to get the payday it wanted. Same for OU and Texas A&M, who used its flirtation with the SEC to make sure that the Longhorns didn’t big foot them on the finances of the new deal. Those three schools were big winners and the other seven schools in the league will get less money. But those schools, particularly Kansas and Missouri, won’t say a word. They are glad to still have a home.
And the Big 12 is not going to add two teams to get back to 12. This is the deal they wanted.
PAC-11: You have to give new Commissioner Larry Scott credit. Because his conference is rarely seen on national television in prime time, he knew he needed to do something bold. So he swung for the fences and tried to create the Pac-16. It would have been a brilliant move and would have sparked a huge bidding war between ESPN and FOX for the television package. But at the end of the day Texas got what it wanted to stay put.
The Pac-11 will add another team, probably Utah from the Mountain West. But remember that I said this: Keep an eye on Scott. He is a very smart guy. Despite the sanctions against USC, he is going to make the Pac-11 a force again.
SEC: The SEC never, ever wanted to expand but commissioner Mike Slive had to have a plan in pace in case his hand was forced. That is why he reportedly (it was never confirmed by his office) went to Texas A&M on Saturday to lay out the SEC case for the Aggies. I believe Texas A&M would have seriously considered splitting with Texas had all of those Big 12 teams moved West. But when the plan was put into place to keep the Big 12 together, A&M was staying put as long as the financials made sense.
So the SEC got what it wanted. It didn’t have to do anything. The conference still has 14 years left on its TV contract with CBS and ESPN. The SEC has won four straight BCS national championships and Alabama will be your preseason No. 1. Life is good. You don’t mess with Happy.
ACC: Breathing much easier today. There was concern that if the SEC felt it had to expand, it might look to strengthen its Southeastern footprint at the expense of the ACC. Everybody in the ACC was publicly expressing their loyalty to the league.
Based on some calls I got yesterday, trust me when I tell you that if the SEC had added Texas A&M and was looking for a 14th team, it would have gotten very interesting for the Atlantic Coast Conference.
But a note for those who were floating Duke and North Carolina as possible candidates for the SEC: I don’t have the word skills to fully explain how wrong that was. Duke and Carolina were the holdout votes for the LAST ACC expansion. They don’t like having 12 teams now. They sure weren’t going to join a 14 or 16 team SEC.
Big East: The Big East was vulnerable to getting at least three teams poached by the Big Ten and could have been forced to break up, scattering teams like Connecticut, Louisville, West Virgnia, Cincinnati, and South Florida to the wind. As a football conference the Big East lives to fight another day.
Mountain West: Added Boise State, and that’s a good thing. The MWC may lose Utah to the Pac-11 and that’s a bad thing. It also had a chance to draft those cast adrift if the Big 12 had broken up and that sweepstakes could have included Kansas. So the Mountain West didn’t win and it will survive the loss of Utah. The league is on the way to being an automatic BCS qualifier in 2012. Now the Pac-11 could get frisky again and try to take BYU as well, but for a lot of reasons I don’t see that happening.
The Big Ten: I saved the best for last. The Big Ten didn’t get the monster fish it wanted (Notre Dame) but it did get Nebraska and all of its football tradition. Nebraska is in a small TV market (115) so it’s not a home run when it comes to increasing subscriptions to the Big Ten Network. But the Big Ten can now have a conference championship game on the first Saturday in December if it choses to do so. And it will be huge.
I don’t discount the possibility that commissioner Jim Delany will someday invoke the nuclear option and go to 16 teams. But I think that is less likely right now.
After college football came so close to major upheaval and the possible destruction of two conferences, if Delany jumps back into the fray again and disrupts the peace, he will be portrayed as Gordon Gekko, the amoral financier from “Wall Street” who saw life as a zero sum game and himself as the ultimate winner. Too many people have worked too hard in the past five days to basically save college football from itself.
Today college football is at peace and Delany reads the tea leaves as well as anybody. The Big Ten stays at 12–for now.
So it’s been quite a ride, boys and girls. Of course when the next television contract comes up for negotiation, we’ll probably be having these conversations again. But for now, I’m anxious to start talking about football once more. I’ve had just about all of the high finance that I can stand.
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Atlanta Gator
June 15th, 2010
4:47 pm
cloudy—-
I certainly have some mixed feelings about the issues you raise, but it’s probably to do damn late to un-ring that bell. I know enough of the history of the University of Florida and its athletic programs to understand the impact, both bad and good, that college sports have had on the university. Back in the 1930s, when Florida couldn’t afford scholarships for its football players, our “pure” amateurs got stomped by the likes of Alabama, Georgia, Georgia Tech, even when we had very good coaches. Florida was one of the have-nots, and it drove the students and fans absolutely insane. The desire to be competitive with the Big Boys ultimately culminated in the Charley Pell scandal in 1984, but Florida rebuilt under Marshall Criser, John Lombardi, Jeremy Foley and Steve Spurrier by doing things the “right way,” or at least the honest way. Florida is a large state university, with better than respectable academics, but our students and alumni crave and expect athletic success, too. Sometimes, I really wish they did a better job of keeping it all in perspective, but I’m relatively happy that they continue to graduate athletes at a high rate and play by the NCAA rules.
Like I said, it’s not an ideal world, but it’s too late to un-ring that bell.
Beast from the East
June 15th, 2010
4:50 pm
cloudy,
Principles and ethics are important, but they sure don’t pay the bills.
We’ll just have to agree to disagree.
Tide,
Think Tony would be willing to take up that cause? He’s certainly got a louder voice than we do. LOL!
Atlanta Gator
June 15th, 2010
4:58 pm
Doo dah- Doo dah—-
Short of being caught conducting human sacrifices on tape, it is highly unlikely that any member NCAA institution will ever receive the so-called “death penalty” again. That having been said, I can tell you how devastating the loss of 20 scholarships in two years was for the Gators in 1985. The gators went from consecutive 9-1-1 records in 1984 and 1985 to 6-5, 6-6, 7-5 and 7-5 in the years that followed. Florida didn’t fully recover from the 20 scholarship losses for five years.
USC lost 30 scholarships over three years. Trust me. The Trojans are going to feel the pain. Better than even money that the BCS and Downtown Athletic Club are going to demand the return of the 2004 BCS and Heisman trophies after USC’s NCAA appeals are exhausted. Old-time Gators still cry when they talk about vacating Florida’s 1984 SEC championship. Some people just have to learn the hard way.
Beast from the East
June 15th, 2010
5:00 pm
AG,
DITTO!
Remember that one from Blazing Saddles? I guess I have to accept the role of Taggart if you’re going to be Hedley Lamarr.
Atlanta Gator
June 15th, 2010
5:02 pm
Beast—-
As an older Gator who lived though 1984-1985, I urge you not to be so dismissive of cloudy’s perspective. He’s not entirely wrong. Principles and ethics are damn important. It’s up to your generation of Gators to make sure that the program doesn’t go off the rails again like it did in 1984. I would rather lose every football game than suffer through the damage that scandal caused to my alma mater again.
SOOHSO
June 15th, 2010
5:03 pm
206rd. Enough of this.ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Atlanta Gator
June 15th, 2010
5:03 pm
Just as long as I’m not cast in Alex Karras’ role as “Mongo.”
Beast from the East
June 15th, 2010
5:06 pm
AG,
I remember those days. I still have an old “Give ‘em Hell Pell” t-shirt in the back of the closet to remind me. My point is that I choose to look at the influx of cash that these universities receive as a blessing…..if it’s used WISELY.
MatthewH
June 15th, 2010
5:06 pm
Atlanta Gator- I always appreciate your perspective on this blog as well as others. But, I’m sure that you are in the minority when you say that you would rather lose every game. Most fans have a “win at all costs” mentality and I am sure aht there are plenty of USC fans who think they did nothing wrong. We know the AD thinks that-as JS reported in is countdown, the USC AD chalked it up to Trojan envy. Do you really think fans would be content with all those losses?
Tide Rising
June 15th, 2010
5:09 pm
Beast,
If Tony is truly a college football fan and not just a homer of regional sec and acc football than he as well as other columnists should be asking questions as to why the MWC does not have an automatic bid while the big east does.
I love football from all over the country and while we down here love our defensive oriented, hard hitting football I also like the offensive, wide open oriented game that they typically play in the pac 10. The Mountain West I had really begun to appreciate when they started whipping the Pac 10 on a regular basis several years ago on top of Utah’s 2 convincing bcs bowl wins-one over Bama as we all know and the other a blowout of big east rep Pitt. Heck, I even love MAC football that’s played during the weeknights on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Fridays. Have done pretty well on those MAC games.
But I digress. Back to my point. I know Tony’s focus is on us in the sec and acc but to date he has never written an article about the prowess of the MWC and the idea that they should have a bcs bid. He should expand a little and write about national topics of football instead of just regional football or big boy football topics like USC, TEJAS, ETC. That is if he really wants to be “Mr. College football”.
Beast from the East
June 15th, 2010
5:12 pm
Tony,
The Tide has turned on ya! He’s calling you out. Are you just gonna sit there and take that? LOL
I’m sure he doesn’t read 95% of this.
Atlanta Gator
June 15th, 2010
5:12 pm
MatthewH—-
It’s a choice. If you do the crime, you’ve got to be willing to do the time when you get caught.
I pray that my people never do the “crime” again.
Otto
June 15th, 2010
5:15 pm
Atlanta Gator, Sure you can use it.
MatthewH
June 15th, 2010
5:17 pm
Atlanta Gator-True, although I am sure many people are uncertain as to what exactly is a crime in the eyes of the NCAA. (But that is a topic for another blog). On a positive note, thanks to all for making the last hour of work go by a lot faster than it normally does!
Paul in RDU
June 15th, 2010
5:21 pm
MatthewH – I agree with AG on this one. I would sooner see GT lose every game than do the kinds of things USC have done. I am likely in the nimority on this, but then again I only went to GT for grad school
Tide Rising
June 15th, 2010
5:22 pm
AG,
Speaking of when the gators had to vacate the 1984 sec title I still remember seeing an FSU garnet and gold t-shirt that read SCORE: NCAA 115, FLORIDA ZERO. In reference to the 115 violations the NCAA uncovered. Not making fun of UF of course, particularly in light of our own recent history with the ncaa cops. It was just a hilarious t-shirt is all and FSU got you good on that one.
Regarding USC’s 30 lost scholarships. We were stripped of 21 and that pretty much devastated us in the early 2000s all the way through 2007. Even when we made a run in 2008 to the seccg we still felt the effects of the probation with a senior class of only 9 players.
If we were decimated with the loss of 21 schollies and consequently suffered losing seasons in 2003 and 2006 then I can’t imagine just how bad USC will be hurting with 30 schollies lost. It will be devastating as the NCAA intended it to be and will take 6 years or more to fully recover from as it did with us.
Atlanta Gator
June 15th, 2010
5:23 pm
Paying your players? Paying the rent on their parents’ home? Buying furniture for the player’s parents? Lying about it after the fact? Doing it too different sports? And then having the unmitigated gall to attribute it to “envy?” What kind of message does that send to students and alumni? Is this the same Pac-10 sports conference that was touting its “academic superiority” to anyone who would listen this past week?
The USC AD needs to read some of the LA Times editorials on topic. And then he needs to resign for the good of his institution.
Beast from the East
June 15th, 2010
5:27 pm
AG,
That guy will never resign. Have you listened to him? He’s as big an egomaniac as I’ve ever seen. The whole envy thing really blew my mind. I laughed at first, and then I just shook my head. The alumni have to be calling for his head. If they’re not, then they deserve what they get with him.
Tide Rising
June 15th, 2010
5:29 pm
Beast,
I like Tony and I hate it when people deride him on this blog. But I really do wish he would read his own blog sometimes and pick up on topics such as what we are talking about with the MWC. Jeff Schultz and Mark Bradley read and respond on their blogs. Why can’t Tony?
MatthewH
June 15th, 2010
5:30 pm
AG-I agree that what USC did was wrong, wrong,wrong. I wasn’t trying to imply anything else in my post. And, I think the USC AD is an idiot.
I just wonder sometimes how much of this actually goes on at any school? There are certainly schools taht are cleaner than others, but my point about the “crime” is sometimes the recruiting people don’t know what is wrong in the NCAA’s eyes. Buy a recruit dinner? That’s OK, right? But how many meals can you buy before it becomes a problem?
Don’t get me wrong; like I said before, I agree with you completly about what USC did. They blatantly broke many rules and then tried to cover it up. And then Pete Carroll acts surprised? C’mon!
Atlanta Gator
June 15th, 2010
5:30 pm
TR—-
Not to get picky, but 107 infractions were alleged, 57 were substantiated. Many were trivial; many were not. No excuses, though. Rules are rules. We all agree to abide by them when our university presidents vote on them and when we voluntarily join the NCAA.
Just make sure you keep the Tide out of the NCAA ditch. Hopefully, the University of Florida, its coaches, athletes and alumni have learned that lesson and will do the same.
Beast from the East
June 15th, 2010
5:31 pm
Well, he’s on vacation this week. I don’t recall him responding much in the past unless it’s gotten nasty on here. Can’t really blame him too much in the past 7 years for being a homer. The SEC has been “where it’s at”!
Tide Rising
June 15th, 2010
5:32 pm
And you thought some Alabama boosters displayed arrogance in the wake of NCAA rulings. None of them has anything on Mark Larson.
The Orange County Register describes Larson as “a long-time USC booster from Orange County.” The paper quotes his reaction to the NCAA hitting USC with four years of probation, a two-year bowl ban and the loss of 30 scholarships over three years in football, among other penalties, for violations of amateurism rules and more involving former USC football player Reggie Bush and former USC basketball player O.J. Mayo.
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Share “I’m still proud of my school and our athletic programs,” Larson said.
Nothing wrong there. By all means, stay true to your school, just like you would to your girl or guy.
Now here comes the good part.
“There’s a difference between cheating and breaking the rules,” Larson said. “This was breaking the rules. It’s ludicrous to say USC was cheating.”
USC would be advised not to take that attitude into its appeal of the NCAA sanctions.
“Face it,” Larson said, “most people in the Pac-10 would take the nine years we had in exchange for what happened (last week).”
Hard to argue with that sentiment. A lot of boosters at a lot of schools would take seven conference championships and 1 1/2 national titles even if it meant that cheating, or breaking the rules, would later call those titles into question.
But, in this case, Larson’s comments go above and beyond the call of boosterism.
No wonder some UCLA fans refer to USC as the University of Spoiled Children.
Tide Rising
June 15th, 2010
5:38 pm
AG,
Incidentally, a very interesting story broke where a high profile USC freshman former 5 star supposedly complained to Kiffin about 5 different schools contacting him about transferring there which is a violation. Bama and Florida were 2 of the schools the kid accused. Can’t remember the other 3 but I do remember that 4 of the 5 schools including uf and ua have vehemently denied making contact. As for Bama Saban and most of the staff were at a day long charity golf event when the calls allegedly occurred and so Saban said nobody on our staff did so. Makes me wonder if maybe something crazy happened like Kiffin putting the kid up to it to focus attention away from USC or if the kid just made the whole thing up for attention. Just an interesting little side story to the USC penalty and I’m curious to see where this thing is going to go.
amusedbydolts
June 15th, 2010
5:45 pm
How about the TIMAC (Toothless Inbred Moron Athletic Conference). You know who you are…
ryan
June 15th, 2010
6:12 pm
So…Utah hasn’t been contacted by the Pac 10???
Wouldn’t it be just freaking hilarious if the Pac 10 now goes and pulls in Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and Missouri?!??!?
Oh holy cow!!!
I bet they’d listen if the opportunity arose, and it would leave the Pac Ten just one team shy of the 16 they wanted!!!
jumbeauxtiger
June 15th, 2010
6:23 pm
I’ll believe the amount of money the Big 12-Lite will get when it happens. If it does then good for them. However, as much as they have spinned the numbers and gotten the media to believe that everyone is now so happy, I just don’t buy it. That conference is very fragile.
Jim
June 15th, 2010
6:37 pm
I’m just curious. They keep saying Nebraska has a small TV market, which is true. But I notice many of my fellow NE alums from the 90’s are not living in Nebraska. So when I subscribe to the Big Ten network (here in WA state) how will I be counted? I think a lot of these articles underestimate the passionate Husker fanbase that exists outside of the Nebraska.
Jim
June 15th, 2010
6:50 pm
I love how so many Texas fans go on and on about Nebraska not being a power anymore. Okay, they had a down decade, I get that. But you can’t honestly say Pelini is not moving them back in the right direction? I have UT friends who purchased bowl packages before the Big 12 championship game, which they attended. They told me they were all crappin’ their pants in those final seconds. One close game against UT does not mean Nebraska is back, but come on, stop acting like they didn’t make an impact in the conference. UT/NE was one of the best games in college football last year. I can’t wait for this October in Lincoln. It’ll be fun!
cantondawg
June 15th, 2010
7:32 pm
Tony,
How many times has the Big 12 championship game cost the conference an invite to the NC game. I remember it cost K-State, Nebraska and Oklahoma a chance.
Tide Rising
June 15th, 2010
7:33 pm
Jim,
The state of Nebraska itself may have a small tv market Nebraska’s football program is a marquee name and has been for decades. You may not be as good as you were in the 90s but a lot of people like myself will tune in to watch a program like Nebraska for no other reason than the name. It helps that you’ve risen right back up again under pelini also. And during the bowl season a lot of people will ignore some games such as maybe a fresno vs tulsa something like that but they won’t ignore a nebraska-michigan game even if they were to meet with something like 7-5 records.
jumbeauxtiger
June 15th, 2010
7:46 pm
Agreed. Nebraska has the name brand that will attract many viewers. Big step-up for them joining the Big 10.
They bring alot of fans when they travel and I know they have to be excited about the future.
Atlanta Gator
June 15th, 2010
8:05 pm
cantondawg—-
Perhaps. But how many times has the SEC championship game propelled the winner into the national championship game (hint:that 1992, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009). How many times has the SEC championship game cost the SEC a crack at the national title game? Well, that’s right . . . never.
Tide Rising
June 15th, 2010
8:23 pm
AG,
I can think of one time that the seccg kept an sec team out of a bcs shot and that was in 2001 when a 1 loss ut team was upset by LSU. It cost UT a shot at the national championship game. But even so that would be one instance where it kept the an sec team out of the title game as opposed to the 10 times that the seccg helped propel the an sec team into the national title game. 10-1. I’ll take those odds if it means the seccg gets you into the national title game.
Delbert D.
June 15th, 2010
8:24 pm
Since Tony wouldn’t say what we all know, I will: If Cal-Berkeley vetoed Baylor, there is no way that BYU gets in. The U of Colorado is a comrade in arms with the Berkeley pinks.
For those who keep bringing up “West Virginia would be a good fit in the ACC,” nuh-uh. West Virginia would not get a single vote if the subject were brought up at an ACC meeting. It wouldn’t even make the agenda.
5IML
June 15th, 2010
8:35 pm
AG,
In addition to Tennessee in 2001, the SECCG, technically, cost BAMA a shot in 2008 and Florida in 2009. But hey, you win some, you lose some.
Atlanta Gator
June 15th, 2010
8:37 pm
Yeah, but that should have been the Gators, not the Volunteers, in the 2001 SEC game. The real upset was the Vols beating the Gators 34-32 in the regular season game rescheduled to the first weekend in December because of 9/11, but c’est la vie. You can’t win’em all.
A total of five points cost Spurrier a shot at another national title. *sigh*
Atlanta Gator
June 15th, 2010
8:39 pm
5IML—-
For what it’s worth, the 2008 and 2009 SEC championship games were the national title games. They were followed by some meaningless bowl games. That’s all.
5IML
June 15th, 2010
8:41 pm
In honor of the SECCG, I’m about to watch the second quarter of the last one before Lakers game starts. Mysteriously, the 2008 SECCG was erased from my DVR.
Atlanta Gator
June 15th, 2010
8:42 pm
Delbert D.—-
It was brought up during the ACC expansion meetings when Boston College, Miami and Virginia Tech were ultimately asked to join. As I understand it, no formal vote was ever taken on West Virginia, because the assembled ACC university presidents and chancellors couldn’t stop laughing.
Atlanta Gator
June 15th, 2010
8:44 pm
Yeah, sort of like the 1995 Fiesta Bowl on my VHS.
WestOfAthens
June 15th, 2010
8:44 pm
Yes, Tony, it will rear it’s ugly head, sooner than one may consume.
Maybe the plus side of all of this is, no more rhetoric
Dostoyevskiy
June 15th, 2010
8:49 pm
Why ACC teams, particularly the big 4 plus UVa, will never bolt for another conference: The culture in NC is different from say Ga. or Alabama. Those states do not have as many “professional-job” towns like, Raleigh, Charlotte, Winston Salem, High Point, Durham, Chapel Hill, Fayetteville, Greenville, etc., which support the large NC banking network, industry (furniture, textile, tobacco , technology). Those jobs have required a large number of college-trained personnel in the past. So if you, a UNC graduate, walk out of your Greensboro, NC home to get the paper in the morning, you will see your one neighbor on the right who graduated from NCState, the neighbor on the other side who graduated Duke, the one across the state who went to Wake, another who went to UVa…..you get the point. And to compound this dynamic, you very well will have children, one who went to one of these schools, and the other to another ACC school. In other words, the ACC is not football; it’s not basketball; it’s not sports; it’s family. And that’s one family that ain’t breaking up.
5IML
June 15th, 2010
8:49 pm
…or the 1991 Fiesta Bowl. That single game put Louisville football on the map.
Beast from the East
June 15th, 2010
8:50 pm
AG,
Now why did you have to bring that up? That was the most embarassing loss I can remember.
I’m going to have to bill you for my therapy sessions now. It’s gonna have to start from scratch again.
5IML
June 15th, 2010
8:54 pm
Yeah, I’ve never cared for the Gators but that Neb game actually embarrassed me. That might be the root of the whole SEC pride movement.
Atlanta Gator
June 15th, 2010
9:00 pm
Fyodor—-
Having some personal knowledge of what you write, I will agree with you . . . up to a point. Duke, UNC, UVa, Wake Forest, and NC State are not going anywhere. Boston College, Clemson, FSU, Georgia Tech, Maryland, Miami and Virginia Tech are not part of the ACC Tobacco Road “family” axis, and are just like conference members everywhere. They have varying degrees of ACC loyalty based on their perceived self-interests. Don’t mislead yourself that none of those seven wouldn’t leave for greener pastures under circumstances they believe to be in their own best interests. Not saying it will happen, but let’s honestly acknowledge that it plausibly could.
Atlanta Gator 3IML
June 15th, 2010
9:03 pm
5IML—-
You were embarrassed?? How the hell do you think we felt? Ouch.
In fairness, those were some mighty fine Husker teams from 1994 to 1997.
5IML
June 15th, 2010
9:06 pm
Was the 2009 Sugar Bowl embarrassing to you? Just curious.
Beast from the East
June 15th, 2010
9:08 pm
Yes they were. That 95 Nebraska team has to be one of the best I’ve ever seen.