What we know, don’t know, about expansion

After a weekend filled with travel, some fact, and whole bunch of speculation, here is where I think we are this Monday morning on the subject of conference expansion:

WHAT WE KNOW

1. Colorado (Pac-10) and Nebraska (Big Ten) have already left the Big 12. There is an offer on the table for Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State to move West and form the Pac-16. That would leave the Big 12 with five schools (Kansas, Kansas State, Missouori, Iowa State, Baylor) looking for new homes or trying to rebuild its league.

2. Texas A&M, showing a streak of independence, may not want to follow Big Brother Texas to the Pac-16. The Aggies want the Longhorns to know that they have options too: That’s why there is this flirtation with the SEC.  Texas A&M has played LSU and Arkansas over the years and culturally, some people in College Station feel it would be a better fit than playing on the Left Coast.

3. Various media reports had SEC commissioner Mike Slive in College Station, Texas, over the weekend. The SEC would not confirm this and commissioner Slive did not return a call seeking confirmation. But I do know this: Texas A&M athletic director Bill Byrne was not in College Station this weekend. He was at a family gathering in Idaho.

4. Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe has huddled with his television partners and come up with a plan to hold the 10 remaining members of his conference together. It would guarantee a lot more television revenue with a new deal and Texas would get to start its own network, something it may not be able to do in the Pac-16. It makes sense.  ESPN is just got out of one bidding war with FOX for the ACC television package. Would the Worldwide Leader want to get into another one for the newly-created Pac-16? It is in ESPN’s interest to do what’s necessary to hold the rest of the Big 12 together. And if that means putting a bunch of extra money on the table, so be it.  Beebe, I have it on pretty good authority, will not be at this week’s meetings of the conference commissioners out in California. He will be busy trying to save his conference. 

5. We should get a lot of clarity this week: The Texas and Texas Tech board of regents meet on Tuesday to discuss this. Oklahoma’s board of regents meets Wednesday. But, as SI.com’s Andy Staples reports, the Higher Education Committee of the Texas State House will hold hearings on Wednesday. Under the proposal on the table, the Pac-16 would invite all of the Texas schools in the Big 12 but Baylor.  Remember that Texas Governor Ann Richards pulled out her guns to get Baylor (her alma mater) into the Big 12 back in the early 90s. Their ain’t no mix like Texas politics and football. Could Baylor get shoe-horned into the Pac-16 if that is the only way to get the deal done?

FIVE THINGS WHAT WE DON’T KNOW

1. Would the SEC take Texas A&M without Oklahoma? Normally you want a traveling partner when you seek to change conference affiliation. Could Slive make the case to Oklahoma that it doesn’t need  to follow Texas? Not sure about that. OU athletics director Joe Castiglione has made it pretty clear that his school is linked with Texas.

2. If Texas A&M goes to the SEC, would that throw a lifeline to Kansas to the Pac-16?  The Jayhawks and their proud basketball tradition have been treated like the ugly cousin nobody talks to at the family reunion. But if Texas A&M goes to the SEC, the idea of a yearly basketball game (or two) between Kansas and UCLA might be appealing. But what if the Texas politicians strong-arm Baylor into the Pac-10 instead? That would be a bitter pill for Kansas to swallow.

3. If the Texas exodus to the Pac-10 does not happen, does that throw a lifeline to Utah to be the 12th member? Don’t get me wrong, but I don’t see where the Pac-10 has really upgraded (at least from a TV numbers standpoint) if Colorado and Utah are the only teams that come on board.

4. What will Texas do? Despite all the reports that Texas to the Pac-10 is a done deal, school officials insisted over the weekend that all options are still on the table. It can stay in a Big 12 that has only 10 teams but a whole lot of new money (which it will get a larger chunk of) or it can go West. But understand this. All of these schools that don’t want to be seen as following Texas are basically going to have to get over it. “Texas is driving this bus,” a former coach in that part of the world told me. “Folks are going to have to get used to that.”

5. Will the Big Ten stop at 12? If you’re an SEC fan, this is the conference you should be watching. Even if there is a Pac-16 with Texas and Oklahoma in it, I don’t think the SEC will feel compelled to expand. And if the SEC gets Texas A&M and adds another school (insert your favorite team here) then it could stop at 14. That puts the SEC into the Texas market and makes their television package more valuable. That would be seen as a win for the SEC.

But if the Big Ten exercises the nuclear option and goes to 16, the SEC will have some intresting decisions to make. Under that scenario I once thought the SEC would look to the ACC. I no longer feel strongly that will be the case.

It’s going to be an interesting week folks. Stay tuned.

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Atlanta Gator

June 14th, 2010
8:07 pm

BuLLdawg—-

When you say that Alabama has SEVENTEEN national championships, please acknowledge that you are counting in DAWG YEARS.

Beast from the East

June 14th, 2010
8:09 pm

Tide Rising,
I’ll be pulling for someone else in West if UF can somehow manage to escape with a win at Bama. We’ll be underdogs but it should be entertaining.

BuLLdawg

June 14th, 2010
8:10 pm

And, both Georgia and the Georgia tek NATS (nerds) have six (6) National Championships in football :

http://www.nationalchamps.net/NCAA/database/georgia_database.htm

Not 5 NC by the polls, but 6 by the polls

Tide Rising

(Why are Alabama and Florida fans gutless arrogant posters) Is it because so many UGA Bulldog fans answer your direct questions differently – like we are great or something ?

We have been great.

We are NOT great and have not been great over the last 4 years, however, we beat a 4-loss Florida in 2007 for the ONLY LOSS vs SEC East teams the last 4 years for Florida 19-1 vs SEC East over last 4 years to our 10-10.

We are, however, for all-time, 6 NC, and Alabama 17, and we are # 11 in all-time wins 1-A still 31 behind Southern California in at # 10 after their 13 wins vacated yesterday.

Alabama is # 8. We have actually played Alabama better than others have. And, altough we have losing records to a vast number of teams, over history, we have done a lot better than we have done the last 4 years.

Isn’t Alabama on NCAA PROBATION ?

Tide Rising

June 14th, 2010
8:12 pm

sccarfan1,

“To the extent that these games are marginalized by realignment, I think the college game suffers.”

I couldn’t agree more. I hate the idea of losing big rivalries and as a kid my 2nd favorite rivalry behind the obvious Bama-AU was OU-Nebraska. I was disheartened when big 12 alignment reduced the frequency of that game and now I’m just plain disappointed that that legendary series is officially DEAD. Very disappointing for a college football purist.

Paul in RDU

June 14th, 2010
8:12 pm

sccatfan1 – While local rivalries play a strong part in CFB it is a little more complicated than that. Ask yourself this question – which game are you looking forward to seeing more in 2010 ALA-PSU or ARK-MSU?

Atlanta Gator

June 14th, 2010
8:13 pm

TR—-

If you haven’t seen the three movies in John Ford’s “Cavalry Trilogy,” you need to watch them once:

1. Fort Apache (1948)

2. She Wore a Yellow Ribbon (1949)

3. Rio Grande (1950)

Tide Rising

June 14th, 2010
8:14 pm

BuLLdawg,

Its okay with me if you bring up our probation. Just don’t be a meanie and make me apologize. I won’t stand for it I tell ya.

G8R GRAD

June 14th, 2010
8:16 pm

Now that all the super conference hoopla has been put to rest, let’s get back to what’s REALLY important:

2010 CFB season predictions!

1) UF beats UGA (and every other SEC East team;

2) UF loses MAYBE two (UA & FSU);

3) UF has a rematch against a battered UA in Atlanta; and

4) UF wins the SEC.

Okay?

Beast from the East

June 14th, 2010
8:18 pm

Bradley’s written a blog about Texas “saving college football”. I guess he wasn’t getting enough hits with the Larry Drew story.

G8R GRAD

June 14th, 2010
8:20 pm

Hey, TR:

Just a friendly poke.

; )~

Atlanta Gator

June 14th, 2010
8:21 pm

G8R GRAD—-

We are you conceding the FSU game? Let’s not let the Seminoles off the mat. We’ve got’em where we want’em!

Beast from the East

June 14th, 2010
8:21 pm

G8R GRAD,
No that is not ok!!! I will not accept a loss to FSU. I’ll take a loss to Bama on the road, but I have to respectfully decline the loss to the Semis. Bad blood, man. Bad blood.

Paul in RDU

June 14th, 2010
8:22 pm

BuLLdawg – If you are claiming all those MNC’s that means you are claiming the MNC for 1927. Since UGA lost the season ending game to GT 12-0 that year, do any of your fellow UGA fans think that GT was the real MNC that year? I’ve seen plenty of posts that UGA was the ACC champs in 2009 because they beat GT

BuLLdawg

June 14th, 2010
8:23 pm

Look, the NCAA gutless wonders do NOT recognize A NATIONAL CHAMPION IN FOOTBALL 1-A because BEFORE all this conference shake-up is done causing a true NC, not a 2-team play-off but at least a 4-team play-off ( + 1 ), the NCAA has an OFFICIAL NCAA FOOTBALL RECORDS BOOK. In it since they do NOT RECOGNIZE a 1-A NC in football, they LIST ALL NC by every poll.

Atlanta Gator said Vincent J. Dooley College Football Hall of Fame, who from 1980 to 1988 nine years had a better winning percentage than Coach Richt 2001 to 2009 nine years, “WANTED” to get a “SLICE” of the NC in 1968.

He got a SLICE in 1966, 1968 AND 1980.

Wally Butts got one in 1942 and 1946 and for 9 years from 1940 to 1948 ALSO had, like Vince Dooley, a consensus National Championship and had a better 9-year winning percentage 40-48 than Coach Richt too.

We have been great.

We just ain’t right now. And, it has been Coach Richt’s Coaching Staff the entire 9-year 27 losses of 38 games scoring no more than 2 Touchdowns with an Average of # 52 NCAA Total Offense the entire 9-Year Coach Richt Era, in which he is also # 5 vs Top 25 on game day in The SEC current coaches at their current school.

# 4 vs SEC over the last 4 years

# 3 vs SEC East over the last 4 years

is

NOT

what I expected after our first 5 years of this Coach Richt Era (with Jim Donnan recruits.)

I also don’t like this stuff that Stacy Reverend Stacy says that he will be clear with a statement coming out soon. We all know what happened, and it exactly the same as Michael Grant whom

ADMISSIONS

did

NOT

allow into UGA.

I also don’t care for 8 losses to non-Top 25 teams in the Final AP Poll over the last 9 years.

Nor do I care for 17-19 vs Top 25 Final AP Poll the last 9 years.

Mostly, I take exception to the 3-8 vs Top 10 Final AP Poll teams with none of the 3 wins in a bowl game the last 9 years.

We are NOT on the National Stage : Alabama is, Florida is and LSU damn sure has been better than UGA too.

I have a great memory, but short term, we SUCK over the last 4 years.

G8R GRAD

June 14th, 2010
8:24 pm

Ladies, LADIES!
Just being generous and gregarious!
Of course we stand an arguably good chance at going undefeated considering UA’s defensive secondary’s question marks.
Just softening up the opposition.

BuLLdawg

June 14th, 2010
8:25 pm

We also have a NC in 1927, by the very same polls that voted Georgia tek their National champions, all played by players NOT students at Georgia tek and in fact in the college football hall of fame with BOTH SCHOOLS LISTED they played for during the war years.

CrackDaddy

June 14th, 2010
8:27 pm

Now we can get back to the SEC screaming how great they are and how the ACC sucks.

G8R GRAD

June 14th, 2010
8:33 pm

CrackDaddy:

The ACC doesn’t suck.

Y’all play really good basketball!

BuLLdawg

June 14th, 2010
8:34 pm

Nebraska has won 2 of the last 7 games vs Oklahoma since they gave up trying to run the football every down for all-time in history.

Nebraska is and has been for some time now, a has been.

Nebraska SUCKS.

Small little place, no one cares about LOSING EVERY GAME.

Alabama – Auburn ? How in the living hell is that going away with the shake-up in conferences ? That is what you said. Explain how please ? I must have missed that. Is Alabama joining the Big XII (10) ?

Nebraska and Colorado suck.

Who cares what they do ?

Dostoyevskiy

June 14th, 2010
8:38 pm

CDaddy, I don’t think the ACC sucks. I think UNC is going to rival all SEC fb programs sooner than later. UNC has appeal for athletes. It just needed the likes of Butch.

BuLLdawg

June 14th, 2010
8:38 pm

I have little reason to ask you for an apology Tide Rising.

But, I do in my mind lump you and Atlanta Gator together as Arrongant Gutless posters trying to act so big in a Bulldogs’ Football Blog.

The truth is that Alabama not only is the only team on NCAA PROBATION in The SEC in football, but you HAVE BEEN THE MOST TIMES even more than Auburn since we last expanded.

You also have a coach who is a B.H. of the highest order calling UGA a cesspool when OUR GRADUATE OF THIS FINE SCHOOL even considered $ 750,000 to coach our defense.

I don’t care for Alabama, but I absolutely rooted for Alabama.

What was I going to do ?

Root for Texas ?

B.S.

Atlanta Gator

June 14th, 2010
8:40 pm

Now, that’s the BuLLdawg that we all know and love.

Gotta run, guys. Dinner time.

Atlanta Gator

June 14th, 2010
8:41 pm

G8R GRAD

June 14th, 2010
8:42 pm

BuLLdawg:

“But, I do in my mind lump you and Atlanta Gator together as Arrongant Gutless posters trying to act so big in a Bulldogs’ Football Blog.”

In case you didn’t notice this blog is hosted by Mr. College Football.
Not Mr. Georgia Football.

Ed

June 14th, 2010
8:43 pm

Tony-

like I’ve been saying for months, much ado about nothing.

If I were you, I’d go back and enjoy my time off.

No story, SEC has NO CHANGES.

G8R GRAD

June 14th, 2010
8:44 pm

Bon appetit, AG!
Smoking wings on the Green Egg as we blog!

jumbeauxtiger

June 14th, 2010
8:45 pm

Atlanta Gator,

I’m a huge John Wayne fan and I know John Ford made him what he is but I prefer this trio of Director Howard Hawks’ films:

Rio Bravo(1959)
El Dorado(1967)
Rio Lobo(1970)

The latter 2 films were basically remakes of Rio Bravo.

Beast from the East

June 14th, 2010
8:45 pm

Bulldawg,
Since when is Tony’s blog a “Bulldogs’ football blog”?
Who’s arrogant?
This whole blog has been pretty civil until you came on here. Go back to the Junkyard Blawg, if they haven’t kicked you off yet.

BuLLdawg

June 14th, 2010
8:48 pm

G8R GRAD

Anytime. I have totally exposed Atlanta Gator.

So, yes I woke up that sleeping giant, and he is mine.

G8R GRAD

June 14th, 2010
8:50 pm

Jumbeaux!
Showing off his Hollywood acumen!

G8R GRAD

June 14th, 2010
8:50 pm

Sleep well BuLLdawg.

G8R GRAD

June 14th, 2010
8:54 pm

BuLLdawg:

Atlanta gator has three degrees for cryin’ out loud!
Two from UF and one from UVA.
Trust me, you are in over your head!

Paul in RDU

June 14th, 2010
9:02 pm

Dostoyevskiy – I understand your excitement for the UNC FB program – on paper they have a great D, Butch appears to have them moving in the right direction and I am sure that he will replace Yates with Renner if Yates performs the same in 2010 as previously. However, UNC still has to prove it on the field. You lost to UVA and NCSU last year with essentially the same team.

bad brad

June 14th, 2010
9:03 pm

BuLLdawg is not a dawg fan; he is a tech fan. Go back and read some other posts.

Paul in RDU

June 14th, 2010
9:05 pm

jumbeauxtiger – I love those 3 movies. I swear they had the lowest combined wardrobe budget in history since The Duke basically wore the same thing in all 3 of them.

Tide Rising

June 14th, 2010
9:06 pm

“;But, I do in my mind lump you and Atlanta Gator together as Arrongant Gutless posters trying to act so big in a Bulldogs’ Football Blog.

The truth is that Alabama not only is the only team on NCAA PROBATION in The SEC in football, but you HAVE BEEN THE MOST TIMES even more than Auburn since we last expanded.

You also have a coach who is a B.H. of the highest order calling UGA a cesspool”

BuLLdawg,

I see that I now am held in the arrogance hall of fame of along with Atlanta Gator. I had no idea I was in such esteemed company as the atlanta gator himself.

I do beg to differ with you on a couple of points. First this is not a dawg blog. Go over to Bill King for that. This is a general college football blog.

Secondly, we got hit with probation 3 times, once in the 90s, then the 2002-2005 probation, and now paper probation for the textbook thing. Georgia is actually tied for 3rd for the most major infractions cases brought by the NCAA with 6 major cases. I’ll provide more on that shortly.

Third, where did nick saban call georgia a cesspool? I’ve yet to see that from a credible source. Seems like that is a little nutty. Please provide your source on that allegation.

Last, I’m not mad. I about died laughing when I read that you called me and atl gator arrogant guys on a georgia blog. But I would appreciate I response, especially to the allegation that saban would call a fine institution like Georgia a “cesspool”.

Paul in RDU

June 14th, 2010
9:06 pm

bad brad – BuLLdawg is a UGA fan. All of his stats are about the Dawgs.

Paul in RDU

June 14th, 2010
9:12 pm

Tide Rising – Saban may not have called UGA a “cesspool”, but there are reports that when Kirby Smart was sitting on the DC offer from CMR, Saban made the comment that “the grass always grows greener over the sceptic tank”. If correct, it sounds like he called UGA a cesspool to me.

Tide Rising

June 14th, 2010
9:23 pm

Paul in RDU,

Actually I do remember reading that but when Saban said that he certainly wasn’t calling Georgia a cesspool. It can be taken out of context and be taken that way but generally it isn’t. That’s just an old West Virginia play on the old saying about grass growing greener on the other side. People can dislike Saban all they want but he’s not stupid enough to call Georgia a septic tank to a man who played and graduated from UGA. How dumb would that be? Saban did make clear that this was just a euphemism and that in no way, shape or form was Saban calling UGA a septic tank.

jumbeauxtiger

June 14th, 2010
9:25 pm

Paul in RDU
‘jumbeauxtiger – I love those 3 movies. I swear they had the lowest combined wardrobe budget in history since The Duke basically wore the same thing in all 3 of them.”

LOL I agree!

jumbeauxtiger

June 14th, 2010
9:27 pm

Tide Rising, so much for us making it thru the day without any insults being hurled :)

Tide Rising

June 14th, 2010
9:31 pm

jumbeaux,

It was actually pretty funny being lumped in with atlanta gator and being called an arrogant gutless poster trying to act big on a georgia blog. If its funny I’m not even sure I can call it an insult. Like the atlanta gator himself I’ll just chalk this one up to BuLLdawg being the ole BuLLdawg that we all know and love. Don’t know if you read his comment to me but if so you would probably chuckle too.

Paul in RDU

June 14th, 2010
9:45 pm

TR – Good point on the cesspool comment – and I agree on the meaning of the phrase related to “the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence”

Tide Rising

June 14th, 2010
9:57 pm

Paul in RDU,

I would hope that if Saban was going to take a shot at someone it would be someone like Kiffin last year. The cesspool comment made little play in Alabama in that every one pretty much knew he wasn’t talking bad about Georgia. Saban did make one veiled comment last year the time after the ut game and before the AU game where he said that we don’t want moral victories. It was taken as a response to Kiffin talking smack over how close the Bama-UT game was. I’ve no problem with that of course. And I doubt anybody else would either.

jumbeauxtiger

June 14th, 2010
10:27 pm

TR, yep i did get a laugh. Never thought I see the day when you and Atl gator would be “lumped” together.

BuLLdawg

June 15th, 2010
6:16 am

We enter Coach Richt’s Crucial Season this up-coming season with a weekend full of bad press yet again, and this for a recruit commitment, our top recruit in a long, long, long, long time.

Mike Bobo offered Devin Burns of Dell McGee’s Carver Columbus Georgia High School a Scholarship on May 15 Friday 2009. On May 16, Mr. Burns was committing to UGA. He drove with his family from Columbus to Athens to make the commitment. After they all arrived, Georgia withdrew the Mike Bobo Scholarship offer made just the day before.

Dell McGee and Coach Richt spoke. Coach Richt told Dell McGee that he too would have banned UGA from recruiting his football players for quite some time. Coach Richt told Dell McGee, according to Dell McGee “He (Coach Richt) explained the situation and said they did a bad job of communicating,” McGee said. “He said he totally understands why I’m doing what I’m doing and said he’d do the same thing.”

Coach Richt obviously is not in the least happy with Mike Bobo. In the last few days we have reviewed the Mike Bobo recruitment of Zach Mettenberger, of Montez Robinson, of the # 2 Quarterback Recruit now again for 2011 from North Carolina with the big news Friday, and now this recruitment of Devin Burns, not playing football for Maryland Terrapins, a Quarterback, projected with his track background at Wide Receiver where he played in Texas High School before transferring to Carver.

Now, according to Dell McGee, Coach Richt said Mike Bobo did a BAD JOB OF COMMUNICATING and that Coach Richt said that he too would have banned UGA from recruiting his players.

“They are not going to recruit anybody, ” Dell McGee is quoted.

Corey Crawford Premier Defensive End was given Scholarship offers by Alabama, Florida, Auburn, Florida State, Louisville, Clemson, and Georgia as 1 of the nation’s premier defensive players. We lost out on him because of Mike Bobo’s mishandling the recruitment of Devin Burns.

Now, there is this little matter today of a Southern California Scholarship Defensive Beast from Carver and how he fits in with our new Defensive Scheme.

BuLLdawg

June 15th, 2010
6:17 am

Southern California says he cannot play. They have to shed 30 scholarships over the next 3 years. Here is 1. Cleared so far by every doctor not on the payroll at Southern California, he chooses between Florida State and Georgia. And, the AJ-C runs an article about it, not mentioning to you any of this.

But, I remember.

Mike Bobo recruiting again, rearing its ugly head as always, every single year.

Way to go Mike Bobo.

What do you think Mike Bobo about Coach Richt saying :

(1) Mike Bobo did a bad job of communicating in the rescinding of the scholarship offer to Devin Burns ?
(2) Mike Bobo is not doing a good job of taking care of the Offensive Coordinator’s job and he is taking control over it himself now for 2010, right after all this stink ?

Well Mike Bobo, what say you sir ?

Jarvis Jones, 3-4 Linebacker Beast is considered by 71 percent of all Bulldog fans to not be at risk for injury, and probably an NFL player, who is by the way eligible to play football this 2010 season and us with 2 Scholarships available and only 83 on Scholarship today of our 85 allotment. He could spell both Houston and Washington, but would have benefited with the NCAA not dragging its feet for 4 years on what was obvious December 2004 that a million dollar mansion cannot be provided for Reggie Bush by ANY ONE. How brazen.

BuLLdawg

June 15th, 2010
6:24 am

By the way, there is a blogger on David Hale’s blog this morning who states that we will lose only 1 game this year.

Of course, we only play 1 top team this year. But, we lose to not only the top teams, but to the lesser teams, especially in The SEC East – and, most especially in years in which we have not prepared our QB for the season such as 4-loss 2001, 4-loss 2006, 5-loss 2009 and now again according to everyone but this 1 blogger at but 1-loss 2010 while every one else has said no better than 10-3 or 9-4, which is my predication 10-3 or 9-4.

His reply is in response to Vincent’s post that 9-4 is what he thinks for 2010 for The Georgia Bulldogs’ Football team.

David Hale sees 3 SEC losses.

http://dawg-extra.blogspot.com/2010/06/fun-with-numbers-adding-it-all-up.html

Let’s see now, lose to Florida, beat South Carolina, beat Arkansas, beat Georgia tek, beat Tennessee vols, beat Auburn (DISNEYdawgs.com)

BuLLdawg

June 15th, 2010
6:35 am

By the way, too, David Hale says that Vandie and LSU have absolutely EQUIVALENT teams 2010 on the same blog URL Link.

BuLLdawg

June 15th, 2010
6:45 am

Tide Rising

June 14th, 2010 9:57 pm

“I would hope that if Saban was going to take a shot at someone it would be someone like Kiffin last year. The cesspool comment made little play in Alabama in that every one pretty much knew he wasn’t talking bad about Georgia.”

B.S. Nick Saban said it the very day that Kirby Smart was offered $ 750,000 by Coach Richt and in direct response to a question asked of Nick Saban by the media regarding it.

“I’m not pleased when guys make lateral moves because it’s a little bit human nature to think, like my dad used to say, the grass is always greener on top of the septic tank. You always think it’s better someplace else. You kind of let your ego get involved, and you make moves that you shouldn’t make and really aren’t in your best interests for a career standpoint. So I’m not happy when guys do that. But anybody on our staff who can move up, we would like to help them do that.”

Quit, cease and desist with your LIES Tide Rising. You have been called out sir.

Again.

You want to admit that Nick Saban DID SAY THIS about Kirby Smart ?

Or just sit there squirming in your seat for some NEXT LIE by you Tide Rising ?