Why Texas has to listen to the SEC

When the history of college football is written, June 10-11, 2010 will be remembered as two very important days. Today, in fact, could end up being one of the most significant days in the history of the sport. Here is where I think we are this morning:

1. The Pac-16 deal is not done yet. Colorado has left for the Pac-10 (a good move). Nebraska should announce today that it is leaving for the Big Ten (another good move for Nebraska but not for the Big 12). There have been various reports that if those two things happened, five other current members of the Big 12 (Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State) would leave to go to the Pac-10. That deal is not done yet because….

2. Texas must listen to what the SEC has to say: Texas and Texas A&M officials met on Thursday in a attempt to salvage the Big 12. They didn’t find a way. That could certainly still be done by bringing on TCU and another worthy school. But I talked to several people last night who said there is a rift developing between Texas and Texas A&M over where to go if the Big 12 breaks up. Texas A&M athletics director Bill Byrne wants to listen to the SEC. Former Alabama coach Gene Stallings, who lives in the area, is a member of the Texas A&M Board of Regents and tells Byrne that the SEC will be a much better fit for the Aggies. Would the political class  in Austin allow the Longhorns and the Aggies to go in different directions?

Sorry, Baylor. You had better hope that the Big 12 stays together. By inviting Colorado seperately, the Pac-10 has effectively squeezed the Bears out of this process.

3. There is a potential deal breaker out there for Texas and the Pac-10: Texas athletics director DeLoss Dodds has long talked about setting up the Longhorns’ own television network for those events not covered by the bigger network packages. The Pac-10 financial model, which will look like the Big Ten’s, would not allow for that. The SEC will point out that in their league, schools are allowed to have their own networks and to keep the money they make. The Pac-10 could make some financial concessions to Texas to take this into account.

4. The SEC will not feel threatened by a Pac-16: Even if Texas comes on board and the other Big 12 schools follow to form the Pac-16, the SEC will not feel compelled to expand. But if the Big Ten, which is expected to add Nebraska today, goes to 16 then the SEC will have some very tough decisions to make. A report by Teddy Greenstein in the Chicago Tribune said that the Big Ten could potentially double the money earned from its TV deals and Big Ten network if the right five teams are brought into the league. So if you’re an SEC fan, keep your eye on the Big Ten. Also if you’re an ACC fan, keep your eye on the Big Ten. Because if the SEC feels it HAS to expand and the Texas schools are not available, the ACC will become vulnerable.

5. The Big Ten could have one last card to play with Notre Dame: It goes something like this. Nebraska comes on board to expand the footprint to the West. Then the Big Ten raids the Big East for Syracuse, Rutgers, and Pittsburgh to lock up some Eastern markets. There is one slot left to form the Big 16. Notre Dame can fill that slot but the Irish brass has to ask for it. Notre Dame will understand that if it shows no interest, the slot goes to Missouri. How would you like to be Missouri and have to sweat that one out? A couple of weeks ago it looked like Missouri was a lock for the Big Ten.

One bonus thought: Almost lost in the shuffle of these events is the fact that the USC football program was almost put out of business yesterday. The loss of 30 scholarships over three years, with a cap of only 15 a year, is huge. The NCAA wanted to send a message. And it did. And of course all the parties involved–Pete Carroll, Reggie Bush–are shocked, SHOCKED, that these sort of penalties could be handed down.

The NCAA didn’t give USC the death penalty, but it was close.

And by the way: After what happened yesterday with the football and men’s basketball programs at USC, how in the world does athletics director Mike Garrett keep his job?

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988 comments Add your comment

leland

June 11th, 2010
8:44 am

leland

June 11th, 2010
8:45 am

What a day! What a feeling!

Thomas

June 11th, 2010
8:45 am

Cant wait to see Wofford and Furman in the ACC.

Mikey in the SAV

June 11th, 2010
8:48 am

The dominos have started to fall, Tony. Where this all ends up is anyones guess but to be safe, just follow the money.

Re; USC- Will Kiffin bolt again??

Ron Mexico

June 11th, 2010
8:53 am

Texas A&M may listen to the SEC, but Texas has no need. They (along with Oklahoma) will wind up fine no matter what scenario (both could go independent and do just as well). It is the Baylors and Iowa States that need to be out with hat in hand looking for a home.

Dylan

June 11th, 2010
8:53 am

kenny d

June 11th, 2010
8:54 am

Tony,
If this happens it will play out over months not 2 days. We are talking about university presidents and boards of regents, neither of which react quickly

Grantland Rice

June 11th, 2010
8:55 am

Mitch Mustain’s momma spotted approaching the UCLA campus. Neuheisel flees athletic complex, reportedly hiding somewhwere in the chemistry building.

RxDawg

June 11th, 2010
8:56 am

1. I think it’s pretty lame that they aren’t going to have a conference championship game. That they instead will ask for two automatic BCS bowl bids for the east and west champion. Isn’t that really just two seperate conferences? That only have 8 teams in each at that.

2. This is where the real drama is. All is quiet on the south eastern front. Texas going one way and Texas A&M going another way wouldn’t be the end of time. I still just can’t picture Texas in the Pac 10 surfer dude conference.

3. Interesting… It seems to me that the Pac 10 wouldn’t let their grand plans get squished with just that rule. I’d think an emergency change to the rule could be placed.

4. Darn tootin we won’t. Seriously, they are expanding because they are trying to keep up with the SEC. Our 12 team conference is rock solid and really doesn’t need to expand. That said, it would be hard to pass up some quality schools and teams right now just to resist the change on the horizon and be stuck with lesser schools later down the road.

5. Ha! I have no love for Notre Name. They overestimate their importance for college football. I hope they are left at the dance without a date.

5.5 USC is nothing for the next 5-6 years at least. Kiffin is a fall guy. Vols fans rejoice everywhere.

Golden Tornado

June 11th, 2010
8:57 am

When will we learn what Texas will do? Alabama is lucky the NCAA went soft on them.

Zebra

June 11th, 2010
8:59 am

Texas exceptionalism has already wrecked 2 leagues. No thank you. A&M and either VT or a N Carolina school make the most sense.

Bill

June 11th, 2010
8:59 am

I belive the assistant football coach listed in the NCAA report is still on Kiffin’s staff.What does that tell you.Also Kiffin and Ogeron were on USC’s staff when all this happened.

Warner

June 11th, 2010
9:01 am

Put out of business. Give me a break.
Yes it’s a done deal tony. Especially now with the usc sanctions.
I know you don’t like your sec getting smoked, but it;s about too. And texas is bigger than uf and bama and uga combined. You sec ho’s are about to get what you deserve. Enjoy being not only a small conference but an academically challenged one. No grants for you aside from UF and Vanderbilt.

Projected new alignments...

June 11th, 2010
9:03 am

PAC 16 – Current 10 plus TX, OK, OK State, TX A&M, TX Tech, CO,

BIG 10 (16) – Current 11 plus Nebraska, ND, Rutgers, UCON, MO

SEC – Current 12 teams plus FSU, Clemson, Louisville, Houston

ACC – GT, NC, NC State, Duke, Wake, MD, BC, VA, VA Tech, Pitt, West VA, Cincinnati, Syracuse, East Carolina, Miami, Memphis

Scott

June 11th, 2010
9:06 am

Texas has to listen? Huh? You are one sec homer tony. I’ve read 10 other cf know alls and they say they don’t. And they don’t. Texas doesn’t sit in a corner for nobody. haha

willie

June 11th, 2010
9:06 am

don’t mess with texas tony

North Avenue Ned

June 11th, 2010
9:07 am

God Warner, get a life.

CalGatorBrotha

June 11th, 2010
9:09 am

Tony B..its good you found time on vacation to chime in the two stories in college football this year….I guess that vacation maybe lil shorter than planned now…with news constantly breaking on conference reshuffling.

Now in terms of the value or less than of SEC expansion…..Texas would be a nice get….but Texas wants to remain the big fish…and it can do that in the Big 12 or Pac 10 plus 5….it wont be thee big fish when its in a tank of sharks

Zebra

June 11th, 2010
9:10 am

Warner, remind me of how that academic powerhouse ,Texas, kept Vince Young eligible for 3 years before he scored a fricking SIX!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on the Wonderlic(out of 50.

GADevildawgs

June 11th, 2010
9:11 am

Texas gives a courtesy listen to SEC but it doesnt fit like the Pac 16 with all the TX/OK schools making the move. Reports are that the other schools are telling T A&M if they move to the SEC they wont be scheduled by the other schools – the other TX schools dont want to open the door to SEC recruiters.

Alphare

June 11th, 2010
9:12 am

A league like SEC that has perennial 3-some front runners like BAMA/FL/LSU should not worry about anything. Not only that, you have strong 2nd tiers like Auburn/UGA/TN, and strong 3rd tiers like Arkansas/USC/Kentuky.

Adding Texas does not really make SEC stronger in that sense, it just may nudge UGA down by a notch.

Cali

June 11th, 2010
9:13 am

Like that those Texas people fit in out here. Don’t they execute black people for jaywalking down there?

Michael

June 11th, 2010
9:13 am

NC , NC State will NEVER allow East Carolina into a conference they are in….NEVER.

CalGatorBrotha

June 11th, 2010
9:15 am

Tony B…..Chip Brown of Orangebloods.com has been the guy most on top of this…and what he says is what I most believe of every other guy chiming in….you should talk to Mr Brown

MMA is stupid

June 11th, 2010
9:16 am

The best addition for the SEC would be FL State, Va Tech. No way the SEC takes friggin Louisville or Houston. Are you serious? The SEC is the top conference and will take top tier programs….Hell, if dumb dumb is talking about Houston…why not take the Western KY Hilltoppers….please.

Zebra

June 11th, 2010
9:18 am

Chip Brown seems to be the UT pet reporter. He puts out what they want out.

The Real SugarHillDawg

June 11th, 2010
9:18 am

HOUSTON!!!!!!!!!!!!! In the SEC??!! They will be the new Homecoming patsy for the league!!If these teams. These new teams better pick up their games in a HURRY!!!!!

Worm

June 11th, 2010
9:21 am

SEC should pick up Va. Tech and one other among Miami, FSU,Missouri or Louisville.

Ncvolmd

June 11th, 2010
9:28 am

I still have a feeling that Texas, A&M, Texas Tech and Oklahoma are going to end up in the SEC.

Mitchell Gantt

June 11th, 2010
9:28 am

Southern Cal won’t be the last big program to get the hammer. The NCAA has had a plan of action for some years now: FSU, then USC, then Alabama. The Tide is next… and they’re a four-time repeat offender.

CalGatorBrotha

June 11th, 2010
9:28 am

I can definitely see why AM wants to come to the SEC…going to the more liberal campuses of Berkeley, Corvalis, Eugene, Palo Alto are not a cultural fit….AM is more conservative , pro military town….can you see that cultural clash…Berkeley meets College Station

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
9:28 am

Houston is NOT a patsy. Last year they beat Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Mississippi State, and Southern Miss.

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
9:29 am

Whoooooo!

Texas needs to listen to the SEC to provide them with leverage to negotiate a better deal with the Pac-10 or 16 or whatever the hell it is. But the SEC needs to understand that they are going to get used.

SEC

June 11th, 2010
9:30 am

A&M wants to go to the SEC because they will have an easier time winning there than in the Pac-10.

dr. nick

June 11th, 2010
9:30 am

Thomas—Wofford and Furman would not join the SEC because they would have to “dumb down” to do so.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
9:30 am

YOU CANNOT GET VA TECH WITHOUT VIRGINIA. FLORIDA WILL VETO FSU COMING IN. SAME WITH MIAMI. SAME WITH THE NORTH CAROLINA TEAMS….YOU WANT ONE, YOU HAVE TO TAKE ALL FOUR TOBACCO ROAD SCHOOLS.

Robert08

June 11th, 2010
9:32 am

The best scenario for the SEC would be to pick up Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M from the former Big 12 and lure Florida State from the ACC. The divisions wouldn’t change much with Florida State in the East and Auburn moving over from the West … that would be one heckuva conference.

Alphare

June 11th, 2010
9:32 am

I don’t favor SEC expansion.

Does it make the conference stronger? I don’t think so. You win 4 NC’s in a row, how do you make it stronger?

Does it bring more money to each team? somebody has to prove to me. I guess that’s the biggest question the leadership has to find out.

On the down side, more teams just mean more in-fights, which may make it harder to win NC’s, and drive the 2nd tier teams like UGA further down.

Pawleys Island Jacket

June 11th, 2010
9:34 am

I hope the NC controlled ACC crashes and burns and that GT goes to be Big Ten.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
9:34 am

Expand or die. SEC cannot compete with a 16 team megaconference like the Pac-10 and Big-10 are becoming.

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
9:35 am

Bingo, Simple Techster. But I wouldn’t expect facts to get in the way of some of these folks.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
9:37 am

Dear SEC fans….

Texas isnt coming. Get over it. They know they can do better.
You arent getting FSU because Florida will veto them out. Same with Miami.
You arent getting VT because the state politicians wont let them go without Virginia.
You arent getting UNC, because the state politicians wont let them go w/o WF, NCSU, and Duke.

Usage of brain is required to use this blog. Follow the rules.

JoeFann

June 11th, 2010
9:37 am

Tony–

I just don’t see Texas football wanting to play an SEC schedule week in and week out. They’re accustomed to two or three big games a year, not eight. And if A&M is added, I may never get over it.

I don’t think the SEC needs to expand. The other conferences are looking for the payday a conference championship game and network rights can bring, but the SEC already has that, and no guarantee that expansion would bring an revised deal that doesn’t diminish what each school would already receive. And besides, the last four national champs in football already reside in the SEC. The conference “champs” in the Big 10, Big 12, Pac 10, Big East, and ACC are only contenders (or pretenders) to the throne right now.

Even if the SEC decides to expand, I don’t see Texas or midwestern schools coming in. More likely candidates might be Florida State, Clemson, Memphis, Louisville, or NC State. Of course, that doesn’t expand the TV market, so it seems unlikely. I don’t see SEC expansion without a MAJOR program (a Texas, OU, FSU, Miami, etc.)adding TV revenue. Bigger isn’t necessarily better.

ARROGANT at its best

June 11th, 2010
9:38 am

you idiots want the LOSERS out of THE ACC that have never won an ACC championship, Clemson and Miami but ignore GT. Your jealous and your demonized a holes at best. Then you want to invite more losers from the Big 12 like A&M, what a joke.

Robert08

June 11th, 2010
9:39 am

Since when did the rules of big-time college football require the use of a brain?

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
9:40 am

Nebraska board of regents meeting in two hours to discuss realignment and formally take next step to join Big 10

Gen Neyland

June 11th, 2010
9:42 am

The face of college football has evolved over my 56 years to the point that it no longer represents a game that’s played for fun. Now, more than ever and without a doubt, it’s a business. The mergers, buyouts, partnerships, acquisitions, hostile takeovers and flipping Senate hearings are making it look more like something I’d read about in the WSJ Sports/Business/Crime section. I’m hooked on the game. Grew up with the game. Played the game. Bought tickets to games. To me, it will always be just a game no matter how they slice it up and divvy up the conferences or the BCS $$$. One game at a time.

As for Kiffin and USC W, I would like to know what Kiffin knew about the shady dealings with Reggie Bush as Kiffin was at USC during the time period in question. I really don’t agree with any university in question taking a beating for what rouge coaches and boosters do to the programs. I know punishment must be given for breaking the rules but the ones that do the rule breaking keep working somewhere and make millions to boot while the programs they destroy suffer the consequences. Of course, if USC W had knowledge of said violations they should not have tried to cover them up. Kiffin’s dream job just turned into a nightmare.

Jeff

June 11th, 2010
9:42 am

I’m surprised I’m not hearing more about what a PITA (pain in the …) it would be to have Texas in your conference. I’m not sure the SEC wants a prima dona like that coming in. The uneven split broke up the Big 12 and the SEC has several programs that need not bow to anyone. It’s clear Texas likes to call the shots.

I used to be for SEC expansion but not so sure unless it would be a long shot blockbuster like UNC. VT, Miami and WVU do absolutely nothing for the conference and FSU, GT, and Clemson are ho-hum IMHO.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
9:42 am

Does ANYONE read? THE SEC IS NOT GETTING ANY FLORIDA SCHOOLS, ANY NORTH CAROLINA SCHOOLS, OR ANY VIRGINIA SCHOOLS.

BRAINS PEOPLE….BRAINS.

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
9:44 am

Joe Fann, the SEC has two good teams. Florida played a grand total of ONE ranked team during the regular season last year. Where were the other tough seven conference games?

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
9:45 am

Jeff, the entire SEC conference is ho-hum, IMHO

VolAlum

June 11th, 2010
9:49 am

No way Houston and Louisville come in the SEC. Va Tech opens up DC/Maryland market, Fl State locks down Florida, Ga Tech seals ATL and GA markets, and A&M opens up the Texas market even more than it already is.

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
9:49 am

I would disagree that it’s ho-hum, Simple Techster. It’s definitely over-rated though. People act like the SEC is the NFC East.

yo

June 11th, 2010
9:50 am

you UGA fans continuouly run your mouths how inferior the ACC is but now it is comical that you want the LOSERS to join your conference, the Clemsons and the Miamis. Do you not have enough Losers who are presently in there already? Hypocrites. Oh yeah, take Texas A&M, when is the last time they won anything? H Y P O C R I T E S

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
9:50 am

BULLETIN*******
AP World Press
Greensboro, NC

The ACC has officially offered invitations to Auburn, South Carolina, Pitt and Rutgers to join its ranks and to become the FIRST mega-conference. Instead of waiting for other conferences to act and wary of danger from the SEC taking some of its members, the ACC proactively offered invitations to the above-forementioned teams.

Joey

June 11th, 2010
9:51 am

Tony, wasn’t Kiffin’s handwriting all over the Bush mess? How will USC ever keep him reined in? Vegas will probably have odds on when he gets USC in trouble again.

I say year 3, when he thinks the NCAA isn’t watching anymore. . .

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
9:53 am

They better not get busted again in the next four years, Joey. Could be lights out for USC if they do. They’ll become the Bama of the west.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
9:53 am

HELLO people.
Someone answer this…..if one of the TWO most powerful schools in the SEC says it will NOT ALLOW any other school from Florida to join the SEC and they have enough clout to convince three other members to also veto any invitation to FSU or Miami……EXACTLY how do you think the SEC is getting FSU or Miami?
IT IS NOT HAPPENING. STOP SAYING IT.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
9:54 am

No….they will become the next SMU and recieve the DEATH PENALTY.

GATORZONE

June 11th, 2010
9:54 am

RX, as usual I agree with your points. However, I would prefer for the SEC to stay away from Texas and their Heavy handed tactics of trying to control all of their situations. I look for Texas to try to hold the Big 12 together by adding TCU, Houston, UTah, or the like. They will not cede control to another conference, not in their nature. Also, really it is not necessary.

TommyJack

June 11th, 2010
9:54 am

Cali, 9:13
People like you are what’s wrong with the west coast.

On another note, the SEC should strive to get A&M and TX and stop right there.

Customary Fact Checker

June 11th, 2010
9:55 am

Tony,

Nice Article. The Texas deal is somewhat convaluted, Texas needs, A&M, Tech, Oklahoma. The PAC 10 or 16 is still a watered down league and with the only competitive teams left after USC got “Timeout” for their Professional Football League Program is Oregon, Oregon State.

The SEC will go get Florida State, Miami, GT and Clemson if needed. The ACC if still in business after the raid will go after some pretty good programs….Troy, UAB, Marshall, Coastal Carolina, College of Charleston, Georgia State, Kennesaw.VCU..any of these schools would be good additions and are not BIG names, however they all offer some type of strong asset to the ACC.

The BIG TEN has to get Notre Dame or their whole expansion will be for naught.

SOGADOG

June 11th, 2010
9:55 am

Is this all about money or is Texas considering the competition factor? With a wounded USC, Texas will DOMINATE the PAC 10 which is a weaker football conference. That will translate into Texas playing for the national championship more often and playing in more BCS games. I suspect Texas does not want to join the SEC and have to compete against the likes of FLA, LSU, ALA., Auburn, UGA and even Arkansas. Texas will compete well in the SEC but will not dominate. I predict Texas goes to the PAC 10 so it can the power house of its conference and play for more national championships. Also, if Texas gets to dominate a conference like the PAC 10, and go to more BCS bowls, it will ultimately make more money.

Bottom line, Texas is scared to join the SEC, even though it would be a much more natural fit there than the Pacific 10.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
9:55 am

Amen Mr. Flair……the SEC is alot like the NFC east. Old, arrogant, and on the decline.

joe

June 11th, 2010
9:57 am

Karma 1 Kiffin 0

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:00 am

Customary fact checker…..the BIG TEN does not have to have Notre Dame. This is Notre Dame’s second and last chance. Big Ten will hold invite to Missouri and let the Irish stew over it. Notre Dame knows that the Big East is in serious trouble and if it folds, they have no conference in which to play every other sport but football. Notre Dame doesnt have the pull or clout like they did in the early 90’s when Penn State became the Big 10’s second choice and newest member. ACC just got a new TV deal that may reach 17 million….not so far behind the SEC. The SEC isnt as powerful, or as inviting and exciting, as you give them credit for.

WonderDawg

June 11th, 2010
10:01 am

Calm down, ARROGANT, no one on here knows a damn thing about expansion, including me, but …

If the SEC expands, it will so by 4 teams. Whether or not the Texas teams come, it’s just obvious that Tech and FSU will get invites. A couple of months ago, FSU’s president (or AD?) told a reporter that the school was already discussing a SEC move. Ga Tech already has a history with the SEC.

So, maybe FSU and Tech to the East, Texas and A&M (or Oklahoma and OSU) to the West.

That’s my know-nothing take.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:01 am

Texas IS not scared to join the SEC. It is a FACT that it is a academic step-down and a loss of academic prestige.

GATORZONE

June 11th, 2010
10:02 am

SEC overrated? FUnny, who has won all of the National Championships on record recently??

Also, Auburn and SC aren’t about to join the ACC. That will NEVER happen!

Lowcountry Bulldawg

June 11th, 2010
10:03 am

National writers are consenus on the fact that Texas will not come to the SEC. It deals with money and the fact that only two SEC schools are apparently apart of the AAU( Florida and Vandy)? Who knew about the AAU? Apparently this is held very important in Austin.

I think here in SEC country we are listening to writers that are way to close to the SEC and definetly need a more national perspective. This is about Texas and Texas monopolizing the situation financially for themselves. This is a game that Slive will not play, so hince no Texas in SEC country. Its a pipe dream if you think otherwise.

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
10:04 am

May be the SEC schools win the National Championship because they only have to get up for one or two tough games a year.

Joey

June 11th, 2010
10:05 am

I know Ric, but Kiffin just has an arrogance regarding the NCAA. What was that he said last year when asked about the secondary violations he was racking up at UT. Something like, “I think it’s a good thing …”

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:05 am

Wonderdawg…….It was FSU’s athletic director. And that is not what he said. He said this on 5/11/10:

“We’d have to have meetings,” he said on Tuesday. “That’s a huge issue — the [university] president would be involved.”
It’s not to that point yet, of course. Far, far from it.
But the possibility of certain dominoes falling — and how those fallen dominoes might affect Florida State in the future — is something Spetman has thought about, he said.

GATORZONE

June 11th, 2010
10:06 am

Simple Techster, the SEC sure is in Decline! HAHHAHAHA!!!!
What an absurd statement!

its going ti happen

June 11th, 2010
10:06 am

DON’T LOSE SLEEP simple techster

NORRIS

June 11th, 2010
10:08 am

Why would the SEC want any of those schools. Apparently there is a problem over there with those teams and no one is calling them out.
The old Southwest conference was disposed of the same way with teams like Texas and texas A&M moving out. Why would we want two teams in the SEC that could end up hurting us the same way. Someone needs to investigate why they keep leaving conferences and what is going on over there before we start asking the cancer to come into our house.

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
10:08 am

And by the way: After what happened yesterday with the football and men’s basketball programs at USC, how in the world does athletics director Mike Garrett keep his job?

That’s the dumbest question ever posed. One answer and one only; because he is african american and the Hollywood donors to the program would never allow it.

Lowcountry Bulldawg

June 11th, 2010
10:08 am

Lowcountry Bulldawg

June 11th, 2010
10:09 am

Lowcountry Bulldawg

June 11th, 2010
10:10 am

Sorry for duplicate post enjoy the perspectve though of what conferences may look like!

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:10 am

Gatorzone,

Florida, Alabama and LSU have won all the national championships. LSU has slipped since then and thier coach is on the hot seat. We’ll see how Meyer does this year.

And to schools where football ISNT everything, and you take academics, research and other federal grants plus basketball, baseball, womens sports, etc. and the ACC is the better conference. HATE IT FOR YA DUDE.

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
10:12 am

simple techster, you are a typical arrogant nerd. Academics has zero to do with it. If it were about academics; you wouldn’t have morons like Reggie Ball and Josh Nesbitt playing for you. Wake up stupid, it is about dollars. Tech would leave the ACC in a heartbeat if the SEC was stupid enough to ask; but that’s not happening.

Hilton Head Island

June 11th, 2010
10:12 am

*
Did Joshua Nesbitt really have 28 touchdowns last season?

BIGWOOD

June 11th, 2010
10:12 am

Simple-no sec fan wants backy road. we’re not intersted in lacrosse.

GATORZONE

June 11th, 2010
10:15 am

Texas’s arrogance is what has led to the demise of the BIG 12.

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
10:15 am

Simple Techster, Mr. Intellectual,

Florida, Alabama and LSU have won all the national championships. LSU has slipped since then and thier coach is on the hot seat. We’ll see how Meyer does this year.

What’s wrong you can’t see that thier is not a word on your sliderule?

Joey

June 11th, 2010
10:17 am

Alphare, you always make some good points, but then let your anti-UGA bias come through. UGA has been 1st, tied for 1st, or 2nd in the SEC East nearly every year since Richt got here. That’s hardly “second tier.”

We’ve got similar SEC records as UF, LSU, and Bama, but their exceptional teams got into the “Big Game.” We were just unlucky in ‘02, ‘05, and ‘07.

NCHawker

June 11th, 2010
10:18 am

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:18 am

Gatorzone,it is in decline. Its absurd for you not to see it.
Take your twelve schools and remove the b/s majors that the majority of your student athletes are pursuing, and your APR drops 35 points. From an academic standpoint, it is the bottom rung on the available conferences. You look at all the conferences, all of them have high, middle, and low tier programs. The SEC now has the most low tier football teams of any major conference except maybe the Big East, which wont exist in a year. Texas told you no once, and they are doing it again. The SEC has the lowest number of AAU schools of ANY BCS conference. Recruits coming thru the high school ranks are smarter than ever(see national SAT/ACT scores) and they arent going to want to take American studies as a B.A. focus.

The SEC is in trouble. In the past 10 years they have had more scandal/student-athlete issues than any other conference. The bigger they are…..the harder they fall.

Georgia State Patrol

June 11th, 2010
10:18 am

Go back to Florida,……ga gator.

Jake

June 11th, 2010
10:19 am

I would like to have the Long Horns in the SEC. Their chemistry would bring a whole new TV package. Plus, they need to get beat up some by some teams that have some speed too.

Sanford Sewage

June 11th, 2010
10:20 am

Texas is way too big for the SEC. SMU is more the SEC’s speed. Atleast they cheat like the rest of the conference.

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
10:21 am

Kiss my ass georgia state patrol redneck.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:22 am

simple techster, you are a typical arrogant nerd. Academics has zero to do with it. If it were about academics; you wouldn’t have morons like Reggie Ball and Josh Nesbitt playing for you. Wake up stupid, it is about dollars. Tech would leave the ACC in a heartbeat if the SEC was stupid enough to ask; but that’s not happening.

Reggie Ball was suspended from playing in his final bowl game due to poor academics. Like thats something Georgia would do. And, stupid, the SEC did ask Tech to come back in 76 or 78 i believe. When it came down to the vote, GEORGIA VOTED NO. They went on record stating that they enjoyed the recruiting advantage being in the SEC gave them.

Get your facts straight stupid.

And yes, its spelled their. Humble apologies.

Big XII

June 11th, 2010
10:22 am

You people need to get over your selves. You’re continued delusion that the SEC is they best conference ever and that every team wants to be a part of it is hilarious!

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:23 am

And its slide rule, not sliderule Mr. Gator. Two words, not one.
Also, since its so cool for you to be Mr. English now, its Georgia State Patrol, not georgia state patrol.

Navigator

June 11th, 2010
10:24 am

Tony you are way off base with this one. Texas has a chance to dominate the Pac ??, but not the SEC so there is zero incentive to come east.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:24 am

AMEN BIG XII!!!!!!!

IL Jacket

June 11th, 2010
10:25 am

Well said Simple Techster. Do you work in a league office? Texas is not going to the SEC. A&M may consider it, but at the end of the day, I don’t think Rick Perry and the other politicos permit it.

SEC

June 11th, 2010
10:25 am

Well, Big Xll, who’s standing and who’s falling?

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
10:25 am

Simple Techster, Tech used to be strictly an Engineering School, but changed your curriculum for subjects that allow the Reggie Balls and Nesbitts of the world to attend. So don’t get high and might on academics.

John

June 11th, 2010
10:25 am

Simple Techster, You are very wrong about UF vetoing FSU and Miami. Urban Meyer said yesterday that he wants FSU and Miami in the SEC. UF has to play FSU by Florida Law. It makes sense that they are in the same conference. I really don’t think UF is scared of FSU and MIami in the SEC. You seem like an ACC guy who doesn’t want to lose it’s better teams.

HugoStiglitz

June 11th, 2010
10:26 am

So Texas has to listen to the SEC because A&M wants to go there? I agree that there will be political pressure to keep the schools together but lets not be naive about who the big dog is in that duo. Texas will decide where they go and Texas appears to have no interest in the SEC.

DAWG Colonel

June 11th, 2010
10:26 am

Simple Simon…er Techster & Ric Flair need to be “At Ease”.

Regardless of where Texas goes, the SEC will still be here and stronger than ever. It really comes down to TRADITION & $$$. All this other BS really doesn’t matter.

And Mr. Flair, as far as SEC vs. ACC strength goes…well, if you don’t get that one I am not going to waste any energy pressing the keyboard keys explaining it.

Lowcountry Bulldawg

June 11th, 2010
10:26 am

Navigator,

Not to mention the fact that USC just got slammed. Texas along with Oklahoma can come in and having 2 years to really make a impact in California recruiting wise with USC having upwards of 30 scholarships lost. At the end of the day it does not make sense for those teams to come to the SEC.

GATORZONE

June 11th, 2010
10:26 am

Simple Techster, whatever makes you feel better about the ACC.
The SEC is the reason all of these conferences are expanding. But, being the academic superior that you are, then you should realize that. Of course, anybody realizes that all of these changes are about football and $$$, not academics.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:27 am

Oh yes, Mr. Gator….

Academics has nothing to do with it, eh? The Big 10, you know, the conference that gives its members more per year than the SEC……every single member is a part of the AAU. Invite only. Georgia Tech just accepted its invite, first school invited in ten years. Nah, academics doesnt have a thing to do with it…..

Idiot.

G8R GRAD

June 11th, 2010
10:27 am

Simple friend:

According to the US News and World Reports’ 2010 Best National Universites rankings:

Vandy 17th

UF 47th (tie)

UTx 47th

UGA 58th

A & M 61st

The SEC is no step down academically OR athletically.

Matt the Brave

June 11th, 2010
10:27 am

I would love to see the SEC take Texas, A&M, Oklahoma, and Kansas off of the Big 12’s hands. And before people jump my hind end about Kansas not being a football school, we’d take them essentially for their basketball tradition. Football would come around for them, but it’d be nice to add a team with the kind of tradition that Kansas has.

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
10:28 am

Okay, let’s see. Colorado bolts to the Pac-11, Nebraska appears to be headed to the Big Ten (11), leaving the Big XII with ten teams. Does this mean that the Big XII and the Big Ten can trade names and restore some semblance of logic to conference names?

Just asking?

: )

pi$$onatechie

June 11th, 2010
10:28 am

nice article Tony as always! I think the Aggies and the horns could very well go their separate ways, if A&M decided to join the SEC that will be huge! and I think the SEC could go to 14 teams by inviting VT, two new markets for the SEC and 2 pretty good football schools. there is no question that the SEC is a better fit for the Aggies than the Pac-10

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
10:28 am

Dumb Ass Techster, UF has been in the AAU since the late 80’s, research before you post sliderule fool.

Reptiles Rule

June 11th, 2010
10:29 am

Texas and Oklahoma will lead the charge to salvage the Big 12 and add teams. I just think that those two teams don’t want to come into a powerful conference like the SEC, where the “powers that be” are already entrenched and compromise the power they had in the Big 12.

Paul ( You doesn't have to call me Johnson)

June 11th, 2010
10:29 am

The SEC does not need Texas. The PAC 10 thinks it does need Texas now that USC is toothless.
Texas does not need the PAC 10, Big 10, SEC or anyone else. Does anyone believe that Texas would like to share it’s revenue with USC? The remainder of the PAC 10 teams bring very little to the table. I doubt Texas would be willing to share revenue with any of them either.

IL Jacket

June 11th, 2010
10:31 am

In case you missed my post yesterday. Tech neither wants to return to the SEC, nor would accept an invitation if offered. The ACC is a much better fit for a laundry list of reasons. Now, if the B10 were to come calling, we would have to listen and see what their vision of the future of American research universities looks like.

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
10:32 am

IL Jacket, don’t worry the SEC wouldn’t want a school who can’t fill it’s small stadium.

help, I live in Ga

June 11th, 2010
10:32 am

Lane Kiffen said that losing the scholarships and the bowl games won’t have and affect on USC winning games. This guy is great. Spin spin spin. I’m so happy for him.
I feel bad for the naive kids that followed him there and will now have to suffer–wait, ….I’m over it now. I’m glad they didn’t take the TV games away because now recruits will have a good visual of the USC program.
The thing that disturbs me is that we keep comparing then Alabama and the punishment they recieved. Hello. Alabama? They turned out ok.
I think the punishment wasn’t enough. Now Kiffen will have another excuse for not winning. He’ll go 4-8 and sign a $6 million a year deal somewhere else.

Longhorn

June 11th, 2010
10:33 am

Hey, don’t mess with Texas. Everythings bigger in Texas and we just might start a conference of our own. How do you like that Mr. SEC?

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
10:33 am

John—-

You are VERY wrong. There is NO Florida Statute that requires Florida to play Florida State in football. There was discussion of such a law in the Florida Legislature in the mid-1950s when Florida resisted adding FSU to the Gators’ schedule, and Florida-Miami was the premier in-state rivalry. That law was never passed. Never happened. Gators head coach and athletic director Bob Woodruff signed a contract to play the Seminoles in 1956, and the first game was played in 1958, a 21-7 win for the Gators.

Those, sir, are the facts. Please do not make stuff up. There are many knowledgeable college football fans who actually know their history.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:34 am

Reptiles Rule

June 11th, 2010
10:36 am

Texas could also just form a conference of their own. Just think, they already have the Dallas/Ft Worth, Houston, San Antonio major TV markets all wrapped up.

dap01

June 11th, 2010
10:36 am

The SEC if fine. The words Southeast Conference means “southeast”.

What are the odds that Kiffin makes it through 4 years of probation?

USC is slim. Pete Carrol is slime. Kiffin is worst than slime.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:37 am

Average SEC school ranking on US News and World Report: 91
Average Big 10 ranking on US News and World Report: 50
Average ACC ranking on US News and World Reprot: 46

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
10:37 am

Longhorn, everythings bigger in Texas? Have you heard the one about the Texan that was too tall to bury in a coffin? They gave him an enema and buried him in a shoebox. We aren’t worried in the SEC; Texas knows they couldn’t dominate anymore.

Peadawg

June 11th, 2010
10:37 am

How about this:

The Big 10 threatens to not play Notre Dame anymore unless they join. Then who’s Notre Dame going to play? a game of chicken is in order I believe!

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
10:38 am

I enjoy when the people of the SEC tell the world how great they are in football. It is that attitude that will hurt in the long term.
Texas is an academic school. Top 10 state funded academic school and number 49 in world (private/public). Research grants make college football money look like chump change.
Albeit, I will be the first to admit that as of today the SEC is the most competitive and talented conference in football. However, Texas will go toe to toe against your best SEC team. Look at the recent bcs champ game. Yes Texas lost, but any true college football fan will always wonder what if McCoy would not have been injured. They would have finished the drive and the score would have been 17 to 0 at the end of the first quarter. Alabama almost lost to a TRUE Freshmen QB that only took some 20 plus snaps all year. HHHmmm

What I am saying, Texas is a top tier school that would be a strong contender in the SEC. It was a shame the the big 12 north could not carry much weight. That is what makes the sec SO GREAT. It is solid from the east to the west.

IL Jacket

June 11th, 2010
10:38 am

Ga gator, I’m not worried. Just a case of we don’t want what you are offering. Tech has moved on in the last 46 years and we are not going back. We are moving ahead.

In all sincerety, congratulations to both UGA and UF in the APR this year. After all they are student-athletes.

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
10:39 am

Simple if that makes you feel better about yourself, it’s fine. Next thing you know Tech will try to drop Georgia off thier (in your spelling) schedule because you are academically superior (in your mind).

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:39 am

So, G&R grad, there is your step down. Part of ESPN’s television deal with the SEC, you know, all that money the SEC gets, forced the network to partner with the league in the creation of the SEC Academic Network because the SEC KNOWS they are many steps below the rest.

s

June 11th, 2010
10:39 am

SEC should invite Missouri and place them in the West and slide Auburn into the East

Boss

June 11th, 2010
10:39 am

Barnhart has got to be the worst reporter in the universe. Texas, OU, OSU and Texas Tech are a lock for the Pac-10 now. And all inside sources are saying that A&M is going to stick with Texas.

Florida schools are not out of play. It only takes 9 votes to get someone in. FSU and Miami are no different than GT and Clemson. But I agree that VT is off the table.

SEC is going to get Georgia Tech (only if the Big 10 doesn’t offer first), Clem, Miami and FSU.

ACC becomes the greatest basketball league in the history of the universe after they replace those 4.

Personally I hope GT is in the Big 10. Kirk Herbstriet has been saying in interviews that GT and the Big 10 are talking. Could you imagine Nebraska, Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State playing in Atlanta? That would be awesome. And the research cash is huuuuuuuuuuge.

I think (very long term) the SEC is doomed to be come a regional conferece behind 3 conferences with a large national footprint and big cities.

bill lumberg

June 11th, 2010
10:40 am

Forget Texas—-Take Texas A&M…

add Missouri too…move Ala & Auburn to SEC East. Stop at 14 teams.

SEC gains two AAU schools…this will make the University presidents happy.

SEC gets Texas imprint for recruiting…

SEC gets the St. Louis/KCity tv markets..

Arkansas gets two new annual rivals…

Kentucky has new rivalry game with border state Missouri …

A&M can finally breakaway from Texas’ shadow…

….This makes way too much sense to happen

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
10:40 am

IL Jacket, you got out 35 years ago because you couldn’t compete and the SEC wouldn’t want you back. How do you get Reggie Ball’s and Nesbitts qualified if you are such a tough institution?

SOGADOG

June 11th, 2010
10:41 am

I will put UGA’s academics and research prowess up against FSU, Clemson, Miami, UNC, Wake Forest, NC State, Maryland, Ga. Tech, Boston College, and the rest of the ACC (except Duke) any day of the week. My hat is off to Duke, great school.

G8R GRAD

June 11th, 2010
10:42 am

He Lives ! ! !
Atlanta Gator!
Where ya been, son?

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
10:43 am

Been right here Bro.

Don't mess with the SEC

June 11th, 2010
10:43 am

The SEC does’nt need Texas and all their baggage.

Let the Longhorns join Conference USA with Houston, Rice, and SMU.
……Back to their SouthWest Conference roots.

CMill

June 11th, 2010
10:43 am

I think if the SEC expands, it should only add two schools MAX! Maybe Clemson and A&M…

Adding any more than that would be terrible for scheduling, just think… if we move to 16, all connection between east and west schools will be lost, consider that each yr a team would play 8 from their division, 1 annual rival from the opposite division, and a rotation of one team per yr. So, UGA for instance would have home and home with a team like Bama once every decade… No Thanks!

Let’s add two (and only if necessary), and keep the currently scheduling format.

allan in texas

June 11th, 2010
10:44 am

I am a Georgia Bulldog fan now living in Austin Texas and I would just love for the Longhorns to join the SEC!!!!! The Bulldogs coming to town to play UT. LET THE BIG DAWG EAT! LET EM EAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reveille

June 11th, 2010
10:45 am

TEXAS A&M to the SEC!!! DO IT!

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:45 am

I’m not academically superior to anyone, Mr. SEC football is superior to everyone else. I went to NC State, got my degree, all that good jazz.I never claimed to be superior to anyone, unlike a third of the other bloggers here. Just trying to get my point across. And stop making slide rule one word.

UF and Vandy are the ONLY AAU members in the SEC

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
10:45 am

Question to IL jacket and Techster; what took Tech so long to be invited to the AAU?

G8R GRAD

June 11th, 2010
10:45 am

Simply confused:

Wasn’t your point that TEXAS’s leaving the Big XII would be an academic step down?
HOW did the Big 10 and the ACC get into this?
Please stay on point.
(and you might want to switch to decaf)

;) ~

Greensboro, Georgia

June 11th, 2010
10:46 am

——————————–
…Nesbitt for Heisman…
——————————–

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:46 am

UGA’s academic prowess? They have been a school for what, 90 years longer than Tech….and are no where NEAR Tech academically. Where’s your AAU invite there buddy?

nothing but noise

June 11th, 2010
10:47 am

you know, i see all this GT bable bashing the SEC, bashing UGA, and trying to praise GT and the ACC. Rather than taking jabs here is an assignment I would like you to do please.

TELL ME WHO THE ACC WILL ADD?

Seriously, if the pac goes 16, B10/11 goes 16, SEC goes 16 (and our choices have been scrutinized to death) Who does the ACC add when they go 16?

I haven’t seen a single speculative post on that yet. What I do see is you guys justifing why you would be invited or what you would actually bring to the table.

So is the ACC being raided by the SEC a forgone conclusion?

Seriously, I’m curious to here your response. And don’t be foolish and mention Vandy (a founding member of SEC who is happy) or S. Carolina, we know they aren’t going anywhere. I could see Pitt, but B10 may have eyes on them.

Barb

June 11th, 2010
10:47 am

Simple Techster:
Please explain to me how Florida could veto a team like Miami or FSU from joining the SEC, when all they would need is 9 of the 12 votes that are cast for such a decision (1 for each school). Maybe you should get your facts straight.

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
10:47 am

Here’s the problem with Florida State joining the SEC, and it’s not what most of you seem to think.

The University of Florida would actually love to have Florida State join the SEC. It would solve multiple scheduling problems for Florida. Florida has protected the annual Florida-FSU out-of-conference rivalry series, even as it dumped the annual Florida-Miami in the face of an 8-game SEC schedule. If FSU joins the SEC, the Florida-FSU game becomes one of the 8 SEC games, freeing up another slot for a potential home-and-away series, potentially Miami or a revival of the Florida-Georgia Tech series (C’mon, Tech fans, get you some! Just kidding. Everyone knows that Tech would never schedule Florida.)

Florida State, on the other hand, did not want any part of the SEC in 1991, and probably still does not now. FSU built a dynasty in the 1980s and 1990s by being a national power in a very middle-of-the-road football conference, dominating, and earning easier passage to major bowl games and national title games. Does anyone doubt that Florida would have played for 2 or 3 more national titles under Steve Spurrier in the 1990s if Florida had been a member of the ACC rather than the SEC? Afterall, Florida does fit better academically in the ACC than FSU does . . . just saying.

The only logical reason FSU would join the SEC now would be more television money from the SEC than the ACC, but I suppose nothing is certain, including TV money, in today’s very fluid environment.

ryan

June 11th, 2010
10:48 am

ESPN radio is reporting that Texas A&M and Virginia Tech are heading to the SEC something must have happened between Texas and A&M to piss them off

Ivy Leaguer

June 11th, 2010
10:48 am

I think Tech should join the Ivy League; then they could compete on the athletic field.

UGA Dawg in Chicago

June 11th, 2010
10:48 am

Tony, do you think there’s a real possibility of the SEC bringing over Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahome State and Baylor to create a 3rd division (SEC East, West and Central)? This would allow the former Big-12 members to keep their rivalries and gives the SEC access to huge untapped TV markets.

Additionally, this would allow the SEC to implement a two game playoff format for the SEC Championship if they desired or it might allow them to use the PAC-10 argument of “give us two guaranteed BCS spots”. The additon of a preliminary playoff round game might mean that schools only play 11 games a year, but the additional revenue from the first round SEC game could be sizable. Is this scenario wishful thinking or a possibility?

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:48 am

Georgia Tech focused on helping get the Olympics to Atlanta and thier nuclear engineering programs back on track before getting back into the research field. Thats why it took so long. The AAU offered 0 invites during the past decade.

SO WHERE IS GEORGIA’S INVITE?????

Can You Dig It

June 11th, 2010
10:49 am

Texas doesn’t need to recruit in California.They fill their roster every year with Texas high school players…so does Texas A&M…..Texas needs the SEC…they need the competition…the money…the tradition and don’t for one minute think they don’t know it.So does A&M…Gene Stallings knows it because he’s lived it….Oklahoma also knows they need the SEC for the very reasons I previously stated. The idiot who stated that Texas and Oklahoma don’t need anyone else showed how stupid he really is….its money that keeps programs like Texas and Oklahoma going…and that money comes from TV revenue. Televising their games in just their own states won’t provide enough revenue to keep their athletic departments going strong long term…..Texas, Texas A&M,Texas Tech and Oklahoma make sense for the SEC…If they are asked to join the SEC you could put the PAC Ten and Big Ten together and they still wouldn’t be strong enough to over take the SEC…as far as the ACC is concerned….who cares…they ought to join forces with the football schools of the Southern Conference, add Louisville, S. Florida and East Carolina and call it a day because nobody who doesn’t have ties to those schools cares….Can You Dig It!

Kyle

June 11th, 2010
10:49 am

Food for thought. Say if Texas and A&M come into the conference (Currently 12 expanded to 14 teams), how do you then split the teams up evanly between the East and the West. The current split is primarily geographic, so you could not throw both teams into the West and have 6-8. It would not seem logistically correct to Have say Texas in the West and A&M in the East. So what do you do. For logistic purposes, Alabama and Auburn would seem like the two teams to move over. But that would put too many power teams in the East. The one conclusion I could come up with would be to move Auburn and Miss. St. to the East and have Texas and A&M in the West.

Food for thought.

the real Old Gold

June 11th, 2010
10:49 am

Texas doesn’t fit in the SEC. It just doesn’t.

Buck Futt

June 11th, 2010
10:50 am

I’m a Texas alum, and Texas will never join the SEC. UT likes being a big fish swimming with minnows; in the SEC they’d be swimming with sharks. They’ll go to the Pathetic-10 where the pickings are much easier.

GATORZONE

June 11th, 2010
10:50 am

SOGADAWG, definitely! Techsters are full of SH!T!!! Beat your chest about academic superiority, but you guys take in just as many dummies to play sports as the rest do! Furthermore, why would the SEC want GT and their miniscule stadium and mediocre athletics? We already have VANDY for that!

harry

June 11th, 2010
10:50 am

Tony thank you for you excellent writing on college football. Your articles are great for the info you bring and the way you present it. You are one of the best. We need more fact based and insight filled articles like yours on ajc.com

Ivy Leaguer

June 11th, 2010
10:51 am

Simple Techster that is just hilarious; focusing on getting the Olympics to the ATL? Now THAT is a research university!

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:51 am

barb,

I said that Florida and Alabama, the 2 most powerful SEC schools, therefore naturally holding the most clout, would only have to take themselves and thier no vote and convince 3 other schools to vote the same. Thats exactly what i said. Do you need assistance reading? There is nothing wrong with my facts.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:52 am

No….but it did help create THOUSANDS of jobs in the Atlanta area and brought MILLIONS of dollars into the local economy. Wow….what a terrible thing to do.

IL Jacket

June 11th, 2010
10:53 am

Ga gator, there is no need to be defensive. UF is a fine school, an AAU member as you point out. There is no doubt that some athletes have credentials that are below the average student body, but my point is that Tech, which left in 1964 I believe, has a different model than simply being known as an Institute which has a big-time football program and I believe most Tech graduates are happy with the choices made. I will even grant you the SEC is the superior football conference, just as the ACC is the superior basketball conference, but other than providing entertainment value, how does that help the average student achieve his life goals?

Ivy Leaguer

June 11th, 2010
10:53 am

While they were doing that, why didn’t they clean up the slums surrounding Tech?

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
10:54 am

Fair enough, Dawg Colonel. I’ll assume you’re incapable of defending your position.

TheWad

June 11th, 2010
10:54 am

If the SEC feels the need to expand:

Take Missouri in the west, VT in the east, Clemson in the south, and then it`s a tossup with FSU, WVA, VA, Miami, Louisville…… gt will not get an invite because the SEC already owns the Atlanta tv market and therefore gt has nothing to add to the tv money pie.

Leave the Texas mess for someone else to clean up……SEC doesn`t need them. If there is something to the AAU school ranking then the SEC needs to let this expansion fling be the wakeup call to get their academic house in order lest academics proves to be their undoing in the next decade.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:55 am

So hey…why dont one of you Dawg fans write about why you think Tech left the SEC and what Georgias’ stance on the whole thing was?

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
10:55 am

Silliness. The University of Florida is not going to “veto” the University of Miami joining the SEC. Afterall, why would the SEC want the University of Miami? Miami has about 9,800 undergraduates, and can’t fill its home stadium for its current ACC home games, let alone potential SEC away games in Tuscaloosa, Athens, Baton Rouge and Lexington.

Nope, Florida will not veto Miami, because the other 11 SEC schools will never vote to offer Miami an invitation to join. The SEC would love to have FSU, but neither is going to happen. Take it to the bank.

Charleston,South Carolina

June 11th, 2010
10:56 am

Is Florida playing powerful Charleston Southern this year?

ToccoaDawg

June 11th, 2010
10:56 am

If the SEC is to expand they should go after A&M, okie VT and Clemson

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
10:57 am

Hey….Ivy Leaguer…where are you from?
Have you ever been to Atlanta? Do you know anything about it? Talking about slums if you know nothing about it, that just makes you plain bleeping arrogant.

Chicken Head

June 11th, 2010
10:57 am

___________________________

NESBITT SUCKS !!!!!!!!!!
___________________________

nothing but noise

June 11th, 2010
10:57 am

Simple Techster : I thin I see where you are comming from but it still only takes 9/12. Flordia and Bamma hold clout on the football field, and Bamma has only had that clout recently since Satan arrived, they were attrocious for a while there.

The SEC works together. Everyone has the equal share. Which is one reason that makes it stronger than the B12.

To assume that FLA + Bamma hold court over the rest of the league is to assume to much with no basis in reality. This isn’t the B12 and they aren’t Tex and A&M or Okla.

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
10:58 am

G8TRGRAD—-

You knew this would bring the ol’ Atlanta Gator out of the off-season woodwork, didn’t you? LOL

Techman

June 11th, 2010
11:00 am

I don’t think “fact” means what you think it means.

Ivy Leaguer

June 11th, 2010
11:00 am

I live in Buckhead Techster, and don’t know anyone who would walk outside of the boundaries of your campus at night dweeb.

Chris

June 11th, 2010
11:00 am

Hey This Might sound stupid But How about adding Georgia Southern and Appy State to the sec I Know the other Conference is Breaking up. I Was wondering What Yall Thought!!

Patrick

June 11th, 2010
11:00 am

The Austin paper is reporting that the PAC 16 will have 2 BCS invites each year one for each division winner, if they guarantee that then the SEC needs to go to 16 as well!

RxDawg

June 11th, 2010
11:01 am

GZ, I agree with you. I’d rather Texas not join the SEC. We simply just do not need them.

SOGADOG “Bottom line, Texas is scared to join the SEC, even though it would be a much more natural fit there than the Pacific 10.”

Well said.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:01 am

OK…here is a question for everyone…..

What if a conference wants to kick someone out? What if the ACC wanted Miami to leave, or what if the SEC wanted Arkansas to leave…..how would that work?

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
11:02 am

Patrick dude, weve missed you!!!

..Tebow Teardrops..

June 11th, 2010
11:02 am

– Bama spanked Florida good 32-13 –

nothing but noise

June 11th, 2010
11:02 am

Simple Techster “So hey…why dont one of you Dawg fans write about why you think Tech left the SEC and what Georgias’ stance on the whole thing was?”

an expected deflection. Again you just prove that you are here to do nothing but stir the pot and thump your chest. You apparently have no insights or thoughts to provide or discuss, you just want to bash the SEC and UGA in particular.

Your name is adequate for you indeed seem very simple. I supposed it is only a matter of time before you start writing your momma jokes as well.

Barb

June 11th, 2010
11:05 am

YOU CANNOT GET VA TECH WITHOUT VIRGINIA. FLORIDA WILL VETO FSU COMING IN. SAME WITH MIAMI. SAME WITH THE NORTH CAROLINA TEAMS….YOU WANT ONE, YOU HAVE TO TAKE ALL FOUR TOBACCO ROAD SCHOOLS. (posted by you at 9:30)

Dear SEC fans….

Texas isnt coming. Get over it. They know they can do better.
You arent getting FSU because Florida will veto them out. Same with Miami.
You arent getting VT because the state politicians wont let them go without Virginia.
You arent getting UNC, because the state politicians wont let them go w/o WF, NCSU, and Duke.

Usage of brain is required to use this blog. Follow the rules. (posted by you at 9:37)

So where in those rambling incoherent responses do you mention certain schools holding clout and being able to convince other schools? Now granted I am only talking about your dumbass responses about Florida here, but you are clearly incorrect and should just shut your mouth and quit acting like Mr. Know it All

ryan

June 11th, 2010
11:05 am

How does Texas fit the Pac 10 its gulf coast state what is Texas afraid to play in the SEC because we beat there A$$ are they scared of LSU and Alabama.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:05 am

Hey Ivy Loser…

sounds just like every other city on Earth. But i guess in Atlantas case….thats all Techs’ fault, right? Plain, old fashioned ignorance.

Harry the Hat

June 11th, 2010
11:05 am

And by the way: After what happened yesterday with the football and men’s basketball programs at USC, how in the world does athletics director Mike Garrett keep his job?

That’s the dumbest question ever posed. One answer and one only; because he is african american and the Hollywood donors to the program would never allow it.

That’s the right answer. As usual, political correctness rules. If there was any justice, Mike Garrett would be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail.

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
11:05 am

Yes you did tebow teardrops; cant wait for the rematch in your house.

sleeze

June 11th, 2010
11:06 am

The critical question that no one’s asking here is this… How will all this conference expansion impact the sport of women’s field hockey?

Smokewagon

June 11th, 2010
11:07 am

Folks, please stop comparing Tech to Vandy. Vandy plays a tough SEC schedule year in and year out yet never complains or whines about it. While doing so they also maintain very high academic standards. Vandy is worlds above Tech and worthy of respect.

Ivy Leaguer

June 11th, 2010
11:07 am

No loser here; I think Princeton trumps whatever punk school you attended.

GTville

June 11th, 2010
11:07 am

The SEC is currently the best conference hands down. This is because UF, AL, Aub, UT, UGA, and LSU. That’s 6 great programs with NC’s in past 30 years. However, don’t forget they have 6 other programs that seldom do anything and are quite boring…even in the southeast and the rest of the country could care less about the Mississippi schools, Ark, Vandy, KY and SC.

If B10 and Pac10 expand and have 6 or more marquee teams, then the SEC must expand to maintain its lead. FSU is a given. GT and Clemson are natural rivalries and will lock up the southeast. TX x2 and OK x2 are great expansions. If GT is left out and Big 10 does not pick up, they are dead. If Big 10 picks up, then B10 gets foot into the south and may be a thorn in the SEC’s side for decades.

What will happen is the ACC remains intact and adds Notre Dame and some other solid academic programs such as UConn, Navy. SEC may just sit tight for another 3-5 years and see how it all plays out.

pcdawg63

June 11th, 2010
11:07 am

Look for the SEC to offer all four Texas schools if it feels it HAS to. Therefore, everyone in the TX government is happy. Remember Baylor is in the Big 12 rather than TCU only because the governor at the time pushed for it. Personally, I’d like to see Texas, A&M, Texas Tech, and TCU come to the SEC to form the West along with LSU, Arkansas, Ole Miss, and Miss St. That would be a huge addition to the SEC monetarily and athletically. Everyone needs to stop the talk about Clemson, GT, FSU, and Miami they add nothing to the league athletically or monetarily. If anyone on the East is added it will be Virginia and Virginia Tech (VA government won’t let one go without the other) therefore adding the DC market. But I think either we get the Texas schools or don’t expand at all.

sherlock holmes

June 11th, 2010
11:08 am

I am in Texas and all the sportstalk on radio has Texas in the Pac 10 with A&M as well as Oklahoma, Ok St. so too bad too sad

Techman

June 11th, 2010
11:08 am

Anyone who says the SEC is on a decline is making a very dumb statement. SEC has won the last 4 NC’s and although it is preseason, have 2 teams in the top 10 preseason.

Speaking only as a fan, I would love to see GT go to the SEC and renew the Auburn, Alabama rivalries. But I’m sure it doesn’t make sense in reality.

As a football fan, I would be stoked to see either UT or OU go to the SEC and play there. I have no idea how true it is but I have heard UT calls their own shots, which would make it difficult in a conference like the SEC.

Question – what does Wake and Duke have to do with UNC and NCST since they are private schools? Can the state gov’t actually legislate the 4 must stay in the same conference?

GATORZONE

June 11th, 2010
11:08 am

Hey Techster, don’t you have a D&D convention to attend? Comic con? World of Warcraft? Let us inferior SEC fans know when you are able to consistently fill that mammoth stadium withoug giving away hot dogs and cokes!!!

HAHAHAHA!!!!!

You guys are awesome!!! How does everyone not realize how dominate the ACC is??? What a joke!
Oh, and thanks for that successful 1996 olympics that you claim to!!!

Ha!

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
11:08 am

Thanks for the complement Harry, I only speak the truth.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:08 am

hey Barb…before you talk again, why dont you go look at what i typed at 953, since you are so gifted at copying and pasting what I have said…..

Just in case, I will do it for you….

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
9:53 am
HELLO people.
Someone answer this…..if one of the TWO most powerful schools in the SEC says it will NOT ALLOW any other school from Florida to join the SEC and they have enough clout to convince three other members to also veto any invitation to FSU or Miami……EXACTLY how do you think the SEC is getting FSU or Miami?
IT IS NOT HAPPENING. STOP SAYING IT.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:10 am

Barb…..I’m not incorrect. Why dont you try reading before you open your stupid mouth and get your foot stuck in there any deeper.

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
11:10 am

Simple Techster—-

I’m being “defensive?” LOL. Not hardly. I’m just amused by your tossing around Tech’s newly minted 2010 AAU membership as evidence of its academic superiority. I mean, where’s Tech been for the last 25 years??

As for Tech not accepting an SEC invitation, I wouldn’t worry about that because Tech is not going to get an SEC invitation for the same reason that Miami isn’t: can’t fill their own stadium for home games.

And, yes, I do know the history of why Tech left the SEC, and it sure did not have anything to do with academics. It had everything to do with Bobby Dodd’s fit of pique over his perception of bad sportsmanship and recruiting dirty tricks on the part of Bear Bryant. True facts, my friend. As I recall, Tech was a football independent for about a dozen years before joining the ACC.

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
11:11 am

Barb, he’s unquestionably right about VT. The only reason they got into the ACC is because of politics and they won’t be let out for the same reason – assuming the SEC called. Further, VT adds relatively little to the SEC. And I highly doubt the NC bloc of schools will leave.

Ryan – can you learn to use a period? And they have no reason to be scared.

Matt

June 11th, 2010
11:11 am

Tony, the key is Notre Dame. The Big Ten won’t expand much more without the Domers. Even if they suck on the field, they have a ton of attraction off it. The key to getting ND is BCS Access. If ND doesn’t have its sweet BCS access, they WILL join a conference, especially if the Big Ten is holding a gun to the Big East’s head. If ND joins the Big Ten, the SEC MUST expand to keep up.

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
11:11 am

GTville, nice post but you need to understand one thing: The Big Ten will never be a thorn in the SEC’s side. Not in Football, Basketball, Baseball, Tennis, Track and Field, not anything.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:11 am

Better yet…why dont you hop on google and read up on the SEC’s last expansion in the early 90’s, when names like Texas and Miami and FSU came up, things that were said, reactions by different schools, namely Florida and Georgia…….and let me know what you find.

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
11:12 am

GATORZONE—-

“Dominate” is a verb; “dominant” is an adjective. Now, go forth and represent the alma mater.

Can You Dig It

June 11th, 2010
11:13 am

Simple Techster…You are indeed an idiot! Bama and Florida have no more clout in the SEC than,Georgia, Auburn,LSU etc. Wha an idiotic statement to make. Georgia is and has been for quite sometime the leading revenue producing school in the SEC…Alabama, Florida and LSU are also in the top five….I
ll bet that UNC, Va.Tech, Virginia, and Miami are miles ahead of Tech. Your school has a minior league approach to football and always has…you can’t even fill your stadium up for home games…go away litte boy come back when your football program is relevant.
Can You Dig It!

dental plan for SEC fans needed

June 11th, 2010
11:13 am

Tony-
Terrible. It pains me you’re the voice of AJC college sports. Texas has to listen to the SEC? Really? The SEC is not the end-all be-all of the DI world. No current BCS school is going to listen to the SEC. Guys, this isn’t isn’t about sweet it would be if LSU got to play Texas every year. It’s about money and research. SEC’s quality of reseach and education is terrible (with some obvious exception). No one currently making BCS $$$ would be willing to take that step down.

The ACC and the SEC will be the ONLY two DI conferences unchanged in the end. The SEC won’t grow ’cause no one will want to join and the ACC won’t shrink because no one will want to leave.

Matt

June 11th, 2010
11:13 am

If you people want to follow a guy who’s really dialed into expansion, use this link. Chip Brown at Rivals has been ahead of everyone on this story, including “Mr College Football”. What a joke that name is.

twitter.com/chipbrownob

Techman

June 11th, 2010
11:14 am

i don’t remember but how was VT to the ACC a political move? Didn’t the ACC want to expand so they invited school from the Big East? Did UVA hold so much power they demanded VT be admitted?

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:15 am

ATLANTA GATOR…..check your facts again.

Dodd’s tenure included Georgia Tech’s withdrawal from the Southeastern Conference.[16] The initial spark for Dodd’s withdrawal was a historic feud with Alabama Crimson Tide Coach Bear Bryant.[18] The feud began when Tech was visiting the Tide at Denny Stadium in 1961. After a Tech punt, Alabama fair-caught the ball. Chick Granning of Tech was playing coverage and relaxed after the signal for the fair catch. Darwin Holt of Alabama continued play and smashed his elbow into Granning’s face causing severe fracturing in his face, a broken nose, and blood-filled sinuses. Granning was knocked unconscious and suffered a severe concussion, the result of which left him unable to play football ever again. Dodd sent Bryant a letter asking Bryant to suspend Holt after game film indicated Holt had intentionally injured Granning.[18] Bryant never suspended Holt. The lack of discipline infuriated Dodd and sparked Dodd’s interest in withdrawing from the SEC.

collegeballfan

June 11th, 2010
11:15 am

“ACC – GT, NC, NC State, Duke, Wake, MD, BC, VA, VA Tech, Pitt, West VA, Cincinnati, Syracuse, East Carolina, Miami, Memphis”

I like this potential ACC lineup with the exception of Cincinnati & Memphis. Replace those two with South Florida, for the TV market, and Rutgers, again TV market, and I am on board.

But I really do not understand why the Big 12 needs to break up. If they lose Nebraska they lose one of their smaller markets. Losing Colorado is losing a major market and hurts. Those two schools can be replaced easily to keep the conference going. TCU, Houston, SMU or Utah
would fit. And TCU and Houston are major TV markets.

And if the Big 10 goes to 16 teams how do they fail to pick up Kentucky? UK would do wonders for Big 10 basketball.

GATORZONE

June 11th, 2010
11:17 am

Thank you Techman for affirming that there are some Tech fans that live in reality!

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:17 am

Dude, what you said was pure, absolute ignorance and stupidity. Bear Bryant was well known for bending the rules his way and not giving a rats tail about anything but winning, especially sportsmanship. That was courtesy of wikipedia, btw. Let me know if you need more sources, i am happy to provide them.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:19 am

Lets see….how do you become relevant in your own conference?

Gee, i dont know. God, thats such a hard one. Wow. Its mind-boggling. I just cant come up with an answer. Ya got me.

Oh…wait. HOW ABOUT WINNING THE CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP????????
When was the last time Georgia did that?

schmeckdawg

June 11th, 2010
11:20 am

What is wrong with the way the SEC is now. I’m a UGA fan and even though my boys don’t have a crystal ball, in the last few years, lsu has 2 the gaytors have 2 and the crimson turd has 1. Why fix what ain’t broke. Just let these other teams go running along and when another SEC team drills their a—s in another NC Game we will all know what we do now, the SEC RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
11:20 am

Simple Techster and if my old memory serves me correct, Dodd’s first Bowl game as an independent was an ass whipping by the Gators in the Orange Bowl. By the way the landscape has changed since the 90 expansion and those comments are certainly outdated.

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
11:20 am

Techman, The ACC originally invited Syracuse. But at the time there were only 9 schools in the ACC and there needed to be 7 votes in favor of expansion. Carolina and Duke opposed it. The Gov. of VA (think it was Mark Warner at the time but not 100% sure) told UVA that they needed to have VT included or they would have to vote against expansion. So the ACC dropped Syracuse and included VT to buy UVA’s vote.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:21 am

Come on, Gator. You opened the can of worms on Bear Bryant. Answer. What did you call it? A pique of fit or something? Waiting………

G8R GRAD

June 11th, 2010
11:21 am

Simple Techster = NCSU grad

NCSU’s ranking by US News & World Reports’ Best National Universties?

88th ! ! !

;)

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
11:22 am

Techster, I wouldn’t comment on Georgia winning a conference championship when they beat your ass with about half your stadium wearing Red and South Carolina beating your runner-up. ACC, what a football conference. Maybe the ACC should invite Vandy to join them.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:22 am

Oh wait….I FOUND MORE!!!!

Another issue of concern for Dodd was Alabama’s and other SEC schools’ over-recruitment of players.[18] Universities would recruit more players than they had roster space for. During the summer practice sessions, the teams in question would cut the players well after signing day thus preventing the cut players from finding new colleges to play for. Dodd appealed the SEC administration to punish the “tryout camps” of his fellow SEC members but the SEC did not. Finally, Dodd withdrew Georgia Tech from the SEC in 1963.[18] Tech would remain an independent like Notre Dame and Penn State (at the time) during the final four years of Dodd’s coaching tenure. In 1967, Dodd passed the head coach position to his favorite coordinator, Bud Carson. Dodd simply retained his athletic director position, which he had acquired in 1950. He would not retire from athletic directing until 1976.

bill lumberg

June 11th, 2010
11:22 am

Tech left the SEC in ‘64 for one reason only.

Dodd & crew got the big head and thought Tech could be the “Notre Dame of the South” by playing an independent schedule.

Talk about boneheaded moves. The SEC & college football as a whole exploded in popularity around this time and Tech was left in the dust. Where they have been ever since.

In ‘78 Tech tried to be re-admitted to the SEC. Were blackballed by Bear/Bama and UGA.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:23 am

Ummm…what does Techs first bowl game as a independent have to do with anything you said about why Tech left in the first place?

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
11:24 am

You are absolutely correct Bill, they were arrogant, thought they could generate more revenue by not splitting the SEC bowl money pie and it back fired. The talk about scholarships, etc is BS.

nothing but noise

June 11th, 2010
11:25 am

collegeballfan: ““ACC – GT, NC, NC State, Duke, Wake, MD, BC, VA, VA Tech, Pitt, West VA, Cincinnati, Syracuse, East Carolina, Miami, Memphis”

Finally thanks. But with B10 reportedly after Syracuse or Rutgers in the least maybe Pitt I’m not sure. They would be great for the good additions but I think B10 gets one or two of them. I actually like the Cincy pick for the southern Ohio market adds 1.5 – 2.5 million TV sets, I think if you threw Louisville in there rather than Memphis you’d have something awesome going for 2 programs on the up.

For the B12 I think loosing the Huskers hurts more in the TV draw from the rivalries they had rather than the amount of people in the state. I think they go with TCU and Utah if they stand pat. They already own the TV markets with Tex and A&M, but I think TCU has a larger alumni base that would watch as oppsoedto Houston. I could be wrong about that. But Utah cause you have to make up some of the ground you just lost with you footprint. I know BYU is the school in Salt Lake market though, and they have baptist Baylor so BYU may not be out of that picture.

30144Horn

June 11th, 2010
11:25 am

SEC Commissioner Mike Slive appears to be pulling out every enticement he can to lure Texas and Texas A&M to the SEC, including possibly moving two teams from the SEC West to the SEC East to allow Texas and Texas A&M in the SEC West, one source with knowledge of the SEC said.

Alabama and Auburn to the SEC West!

Techman

June 11th, 2010
11:25 am

Thanks, Flair. Since this is a blog, I think i am still required to call you a dummy or tell you that your team sux and that God follows my team.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:26 am

You beat our ass? I’m sorry. You won 30-24. You were winning 17-3 at halftime. 6 points and a dropped pass is not exactly what i call a ass-whooping. Yes, you ran the ball down our throats. Common theme from last year. Just like we ran for 400 in 08, you ran for over 300 in 09.

sonny chapman

June 11th, 2010
11:27 am

Texas A&M in the SEC West & Va. Tech. in SEC East. Now that’s a happy & rich bunch of Rednecks expanding TV $ in the Texas Market & in the D.C/Va. market. We all talk the same & we all LOVE us some goooood College Football !

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
11:27 am

techster, what was NC States ranking in academics? Oh yea, are they in the AAU? No of course, but your main rival UNC is.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:28 am

Tech left because Alabama played dirty, recruited dirty, and acted dirty. SEC could have cared less. If that were done in present day times, Bama would have gotten the death penalty.

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
11:29 am

Ha. Funny post, Tech man.

Ivy Leaguer

June 11th, 2010
11:29 am

So, Techster are you North Carolina State or Georgia Tech?

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:29 am

UNC doesnt offer Earth Science degrees. NC State did and is nationally renowned for thier programs. Next question please.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:30 am

GEORGIA TECH BORN AND RAISED

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
11:30 am

No Simple Man, they left because they were arrogant and greedy and thought they could make it on their own. It didn’t work out too well did it?

T3

June 11th, 2010
11:30 am

A question for SEC fans and Tony Barnhart:

Quick comparison:

Baylor has 12,000 undergrads
GT has 13,000 undergrads.
Vanderbilt has 6800 undergrads, no AD, and no Athletics Department.

Much criticism has been written that Baylor didnt “deserve”
to be in the Big12 b/c they are a “bad fit.” Small, private, uncompetitive athletics programs.

So, just trying to ask a legit question of SEC fans, and Barnhart:

Is there ANY POSSIBLE scenario under which Vanderbilt could (or might)
get majority-voted out of the SEC, and replaced with GT?

In almost every aspect, GT would seem to be a much better fit for the SEC than Vaderbilt.

That might mean that the SEC would need 1, 3, or maybe 5 knew members.

sonny chapman

June 11th, 2010
11:30 am

P.S.–Texas A & M joining the SEC WITHOUT U.of Texas would let the finally Aggies spread their wings & fly.

buckeye tony

June 11th, 2010
11:30 am

the big ten is back!

Ivy Leaguer

June 11th, 2010
11:31 am

Born and raised, but where were you educated?

Techman

June 11th, 2010
11:32 am

Techster, it’s weird to me. Although you are doing your best to make all of us look like idiots, I do appreciate your absurd resolve. Wrong until the end.

Earth sciences, eh?

Dave In Tampa

June 11th, 2010
11:32 am

Rumor has is that GT is going to the WAC……. couldn’t help myself

SEC just needs to add FSU & VT if they add anyone. I just don’t see any of those Texas & Oklahoma teams coming over to the SEC. PAC-1,461,601 is still going to be easier to win in than an SEC schedule.

Harvard

June 11th, 2010
11:32 am

Where were YOU educated Ivy Leaguer? I certainly hope it wasn’t at an Ivy League school as you are a terrible representative of one if you are.

Anonymous

June 11th, 2010
11:33 am

Simple Techster
10:45 a.m.
“I went to NC State, got my degree, . . .”

Poser!

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
11:34 am

T3, I would hate to see Vandy removed from the conference even though it would probably be a better fit for them somewhere else like the ACC. I have always thought that it would benefit both schools if Clemson and Vandy swapped. That being said, unless a school did something terrible they should never be removed from a conference.

bill lumberg

June 11th, 2010
11:34 am

The real story…Tech was arrogant…left the SEC for move bowl money that never materialized due to their poor quality of play on the field.

Around the same time a funny thing happened…National TV discovered college football. Unless your program was in a conference or were Notre Dame or Navy you didn’t get on TV until the mid-80’s (cable).

Tech had to suck it up and beg the SEC for re-admittance. Bear and UGA said no way. Tech took it on the chin and joined the ACC.

Tech made one of the biggest arrogant boneheaded moves in the history of college football. All for the big dollar!

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:34 am

Wow dude. Thanks for allowing me to be a part of the most ignorant discussion i have ever been given the honor to be a part of. You dont want to hear the truth, fine, no problem. I’ll naturally assume that you’ll be flying your pig home to Pluto for dinner before sleeping with your 32 wives.Dont forget to use your God-like powers to clear out the asteriod belt on your way, and remember to change the lightbulb in the Sun. Safe travels.

Golden Rules

June 11th, 2010
11:35 am

Is anybody else enjoying the latest plight of Lane Kiffin. Ain’t karma great!

Ivy Leaguer

June 11th, 2010
11:35 am

Harvard; I’ve already posted it; Princeton. Terrible representative?

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:36 am

Bill, didnt you die after stealing the stapler and getting trapped inside the building when it was set on fire? Nice glasses.

Anonymous

June 11th, 2010
11:36 am

Pay attention Harvard.

Ivy Leager has already stated he’s a Princeton man.

Miles

June 11th, 2010
11:36 am

As previously stated in prior comments, MIKE GARRETT IS AN IDIOT!

Bevo Cowchip

June 11th, 2010
11:36 am

Tony,

How much did the Slive pay you to post that under your name? Did use talking points from the meeting or did the SEC office just write that for you?

Thanks I’ll hang up and listen.

Ivy Leaguer

June 11th, 2010
11:37 am

Anonymous, like most Harvard grads, they are out of touch with reality; kind of like the moron running our country.

Harvard

June 11th, 2010
11:38 am

Yes. Horrible. Why do you align yourself with the SEC bigots and, more importantly, why are you using your superior mind to post all day on a college football blog?

Harvard

June 11th, 2010
11:38 am

Well at least you vote well, Ivy Leaguer. I’ll take that as a silver lining.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:39 am

Georgia has self-reported nine secondary violations of NCAA rules this year — a list of transgressions that provides a glimpse into the minutiae of the NCAA rulebook.

Just posted on AJC this morning. Whoops.

T3

June 11th, 2010
11:39 am

One other debatable question that has not been considered:

What if the Big 12 chose to ADD AZ & AZST to replace Colorado and Nebraska?

After adding Colorado and likely Utah, the PAC10 would need 2 MORE teams to reach 12.

Are there 2 other teams that the PAC10 would want to scoop up?

Ivy Leaguer

June 11th, 2010
11:40 am

Harvard, because I am a writer and have the time to read interesting blogs. I grew up in the South, went to Princeton (1970), spent 20 years in the USMC defending your liberal ass and now write for a living. Any questions. As far as the bigot comments, that goes both ways when you look down on others.

keith bogle

June 11th, 2010
11:41 am

Lots of anti-Longhorn anxst on here. How can Nebraska moving to the Big 10 in order to double their TV revenues be a result of Texas arrogance?

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:41 am

From Miami’s AD this morning…..who by the way nixed all notions of them relocating to the SEC

On the idea of Miami and FSU in the SEC

“There are certain schools in the SEC that won’t play us now, Jorge, so I don’t know why they would be in a position to have to play us on a regular basis. They know the direction our program is on. We’re going to return to that pinnacle of the intercollegiate athletic world. We’re well on our way. I think the ACC provides a great platform for us.”

Jorge followed up by chiding Hocutt about which schools in the SEC don’t want to play Miami. Hocutt laughed.

“We may happen to be there playing them in baseball tonight,” he said. “As for Florida football, we’ve expressed our desire. I think the Miami-Florida matchup in football is great. I had an opportunity my first year at Miami to go to Gainesville for a game and they’re scheduled to come back here in 2013. We’ve expressed our interest to continue that series and rivalry, but unfortunately at this time, there’s no interest on their end.”

Techman

June 11th, 2010
11:42 am

Harvard, I’m sure you’re just here for a quick second and then leaving.

Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have to take my pig to pluto.

Anonymous

June 11th, 2010
11:42 am

You UGA fans disparaging Tech’s inability to fill a stadium need to tone it down a bit.
Read in today’s AJC.com:

“The minimum donation required to become a first-time Georgia football season ticket holder has fallen from $10,651 to $1,550.”

A discount like that couls easily be construed as a vote of no confidence!

Harvard

June 11th, 2010
11:42 am

You can call me anything you want, Ivy Leaguer. But calling me a liberal is below the belt. I did not, nor would I ever, vote for that nutjob in the Oval Office.

Dave In Tampa

June 11th, 2010
11:43 am

Is that all you can hang your hat on there Simple techster?

Do you understand what a “Secondary Violation” is? This blog is about the aligning of the Football conferences. Why do you bring something up so mundane? Clueless!

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:44 am

oh hell look out we are going political!!!!

ps….THE NUTJOB IN THE OVAL OFFICE SUCKS!!!!!

jumbeauxtiger

June 11th, 2010
11:44 am

I am not in favor of any SEC expansion unless it would add any of these schools: Texas(unlikely), A&M, Virginia Tech, FSU, Oklahoma and Missouri. I don’t see anyone else bringing any value that would expand the SEC’s market.

All of this is speculation right now. I don’t recall an offseason day in my lifetime when there has been so much going on in college football as the last couple of days.

The loss of scholarships for USC will be devastating. That’s 40% less players that they can sign over the next 3 years. Now we know why Carroll bolted.

Side note: Can’t people just respect the schools that others are loyal to and stop the nasty comments here?

Geaux Tigers
Go SEC

CMill

June 11th, 2010
11:45 am

Vandy is not going to want to leave the SEC, they get a ton of money and are under no intense pressure to field a top football team, and their bball team has been very competitive in the SEC the past few years.

As an SEC fan… I DO NOT WANT TEXAS!!!

It seems to me that they have huge egos and would try to basically run the conference, and that won’t happen in conference with huge proograms like Bama, UF, UGA, etc… It would just cause huge headaches.

Ivy Leaguer

June 11th, 2010
11:45 am

Harvard, if you are truly from Harvard then I apologize. We both are probably in the minority in the alumni from our institutions in NOT supporting Obama. He isn’t a nutjob however, he is intelligent and very dangerous. I am proud of you for recognizing it.

im4bama

June 11th, 2010
11:45 am

Simple Techster why don’t you just shut up. It’s obvious you have nothing else to do today. Just admit the with all the buzz of expansion, no one is talking about inviting your teams GT and NC State and it’s hurt your feelings and therefore you lashing out with your supposed high brow attitude. Give it a rest man, we have all heard your opinions but now it’s time to call it a day.

IL Jacket

June 11th, 2010
11:45 am

Matt, I believe the B10 is doing a mighty sales job to get ND to join, but from what I have read, the B10 objectives will not be satisfied stopping at 12. Delaney is a shrewd commissioner and seems to be thinking more strategically than the other conference heads. He has said that the expansion may take the form of a multi-stage process. Rather than being reactive, he has hired some excellent professionals and they are approaching it with rigor. I believe the NU situation was triggered by the B12’s loyalty oath provisions, so they had to move before they wanted. The B10 is not done and with the BTN as their secret weapon, they can pick off almost anyone they want. If the politicos would permit A&M to separate from UT, I believe UT would
be on the radar-certainly something the administrators of UT would
be
interested in from what I’ve read.

Anonymous

June 11th, 2010
11:46 am

My, my, academic arrogance runs amuck!

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:47 am

Dave…..seriously? I just saw it. I thought it was funny. I know what this blog is. I fully understand what a secondary violation is. A stupid phone call on the wrong day is secondary among a billion other things. What, did i hurt your feelings by posting it? Seriously, get a life. I am so sorry. AJC, please retract my blog entry about the article posted this morning concerning GA. and thier secondary violations….i upset someone.

T3

June 11th, 2010
11:47 am

A very important point to consider here:

California is totally bankrupt. Many of their public universities and college are being gutted. And, thats no exaggeration.

Arizona is more bankrupt than California.

Question:
If your state is bankrupt, and your state population has already begun LEAVING the state, how well can you support your PUBLIC universities?

Answer: Not very well.

Merging with the PAC10 could become the worlds largest “tar baby.”
The Big12 schools might really regret it.

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
11:48 am

Patrick, what are you hearing in California about what is going to happen next in expansion?

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:49 am

this coming from someone telling a joke about Tech going to the WAC. Really? Seriously? HA. HA. HA. Wow, that was so, so very funny.

Anonymous

June 11th, 2010
11:49 am

Oh, and BTW:
That “Nutjob” and his wife were both educated in the Ivy League.

McDAWG

June 11th, 2010
11:50 am

If the collapse of the BIG 12 is going to happen, the SEC should jump on the opportunity to get Texas and Oklahoma. If that means taking Texas A&M and OK. ST., then so be it. When the dust settles you don’t want inferior conferences like the PAC 10 and Big 10 one uping you by scoring those power houses. My guess is that Texas wont accept an invite to the SEC anyway (too rough a schedule for them).

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
11:50 am

TMZ is reporting that OSU to PAC 10 is a done deal.

Ramblin Wrecker

June 11th, 2010
11:51 am

Tony,

What are the prospects of the Big Ten dipping south to pick up the Atlanta market…i.e. Georgia Tech? If football craving eyeballs are what the Big Ten is after, then where better than the capital of college football?

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
11:51 am

Ivy Leaguer—-

Just read your responses to Simple Techster, and I about spit coffee all over my computer screen I was laughing so hard.

Didn’t know you Princeton Tiger boys could talk smack so well. There may be something to an Ivy League education after all. LOL

AG

Ivy Leaguer

June 11th, 2010
11:51 am

Anonymous, and Jimmy Carter is from where? Talking about nutjobs!!

Ivy Leaguer

June 11th, 2010
11:53 am

Atlanta Gator, I graduated from Princeton and actually played 3 years of football, but was educated by the USMC.

jim in austin

June 11th, 2010
11:54 am

Vanderbilt is a Top 20 academic school and REALLY out of place in the remedial SEC. The ACC, with 7 schools rated in the Top 50, would be a much better fit both academically and athletically. The PAC10, with 5 schools in the T50, looks a much better fit for Texas with its aspirations of being a top academic and research school. And I can assure you that grants and endowments pull a lot more money into UT than sports ($590 million in grants alone for 2009 vs $120 million for all sports (#1 amongst all colleges and universities, btw)). You may now return to discussing football…

Brutal Truth

June 11th, 2010
11:54 am

The academics of the SEC are just way, way too bad for Texas to take them seriously.

Dave In Tampa

June 11th, 2010
11:55 am

Simple techster… You want to talk about getting a life? This blog is not about crap that your posting! It’s about the aligning of conferences. Stay on the subject matter at hand little nerd. Please re-read im4bama’s post at 11:45. It was perfect. The WAC post was a light hearted joke. Talk about someone getting their feelings hurt. If you want to talk about secondary then we can talk about tech football because you will always be second in the state of Ga in football.

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
11:56 am

And texas arrogance is much too much to want to be average in sports.

Anonymous

June 11th, 2010
11:56 am

Ivy:

You don’t become a skipper of a nuclear sub by being a dumba$$.

Steve

June 11th, 2010
11:57 am

Simple Techster @ 9:55AM…SEC is on the decline…they have won 5 of the last 7 NCAA BCS championships (71%), and 4 of the last 4 (100%). I may not be a Tech graduate, but my math skills indicate that’s improvement, not a decline.
A quick at the ACC’s record indicates they have won 1 BCS championship in the last 12 years (FSU in 1999)…well done.

Ivy Leaguer

June 11th, 2010
11:57 am

That my be true anonymous but he sure drove our country into the ground.

Tide Rising

June 11th, 2010
11:59 am

“Bear Bryant was well known for bending the rules his way and not giving a rats tail about anything but winning, especially sportsmanship.”

Simple Techster,

Come again? The bear didn’t give a rats azz about sportsmanship? You didn’t watch much if any Alabama football under Bear did you? When Bama scored there was no high fiving, no celebration, no “look at me” displays, no mocking or taunting the opponent, and certainly not any soulja boy dancing.

Bear Bryant’s favorite play was for a Bama player after scoring a td to hand the ball to a coach. And if you travel around the country and talk to college football fans in their late 40s, 50s, and on you would be surprised how many of them have always liked Alabama football. Why? Because several of these people have told me that they loved the way the team played with class and sportsmanship and never taunted opponents or did individual celebrations under Bear. I’ve traveled to other states, bowl venues, and stadiums like Penn State and this is what I generally hear from opposing fans that can remember the Bryant days. It was all about the team concept and sportsmanship and zero showboating.

And in reference to the Chick Graning incident no one disputes the facts of what happened. What we don’t know is why Bear didn’t discipline his player and from that side I suspect that the player told Bear he was playing full speed, didn’t hear a whistle, and hit Graning as hard as he could but didn’t think he would hurt Graning as severely as he did. Nobody really knows but I’m sure there is a reason why Bear didn’t discipline him. Dodd and Tech supporters jumping the gun and immediately calling for Bear’s head before he had a chance to apologize probably didn’t help matters.

Please have some perspective. One single flagrant foul doesn’t change several decades of excellence and the sportsmanship that Bear’s teams otherwise exhibited on the field throughout his career.

schmeckdawg

June 11th, 2010
11:59 am

This is hilarious stuff and I do love all of you haters of our guy running this country. What an idiot!!!!!!!

John

June 11th, 2010
12:00 pm

Atlanta Gator, The bill was defeated 19-15 by a heavily UF legislative body. I stand corrected, however UF still did not want anything to do with FSU and UF was order to play FSU by The State Board of Control. Either way, FSU and UF would be great together in the SEC

Reagan

June 11th, 2010
12:00 pm

Warner, for your info Texas lost to Alabama and really the national title game should have been against Texas and Florida. Florida lost to Alabama in what was pretty much a rivalry game after what had happened last year with Alabama getting beat out. So honestly Texas got the easiest game of the two with Alabama because Florida was the better team. Texas just came off a two year losing streak to Texas A@M, A@M was not the better team at all but it was a rivalry game of course Texas would be the more challenging opponent for another team but they lost. Thats exactly what happened to Florida except for the fact that their game against Alabama had National Title implications, for both teams. Florida and Tim Tebow would have spanked Texas with or without the assistance of the fragile Colt McCoy. Florida was explosive on offense and lock down defensively while Alabama sort of just got by offensively and had a lock down defense. Look at the teams that they barley beat in their conference, LSU and Arkansas. As a matter of fact Alabama rarely scored more than 30 points a game. If Texas would have played Folrida with the same events occurring during the game the score easily would have ended up with Florida scoring 40+ points (and thats being generous) and stifling Texas to 14 to 21 points and again 21 might be somewhat generous. So no, Texas is not bigger than Forida, Alabama, and Georgia combined.

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
12:00 pm

Anonymous, I remember a huge billboard just south of atlanta during Carter’s last year which said,”We the farmers of Georgia, apologize to the farmers of the United States for putting Jimmy Carter in the White House.” That kind of says it all. To make some of the comments he makes today, he either has dementia or is an idiot.

Anonymous

June 11th, 2010
12:00 pm

Nor do you get into the Naval Academy.

T3

June 11th, 2010
12:02 pm

One of the overlooked aspect for the Big12 is their CURRENT contract.

The CURRENT contract that was done several years ago expires in 2012.
So, Big12 teams are being paid on a deal that was struck several years ago.

The ACC recntly changed their old contract that paid each school about $6Million/Year. The new contract will pay each school almsot $12Million/Year.

Now, I certianly believe the Big12 can easily command much better dollars than the ACC, which just DOUBLED their payouts.

So, if the Big12 can find 2 new valuable teams to reamin at 12, then would there be a solid belief that a new Big12 contract would likely pay WAY MORE than the current contract? I mean, the Big12 doesnt really NEED the PAC10 to demand bigger TV money.

So, the Big12 could add two more teams, like: AZ & AZST maybe.

Or perhaps something closer to home like SMU, TCU, Houston, UTEP.

Folks laugh at Houston, but once a upon a time Houston was a dominant program in Texas. And, Hosuton just announced they will build huge new football AND basketball facilities, just so you know. Adding any two of TCU, SMU, Housotn and UTEP would also keep Big12 money INSIDE the Texas state boundaries, and thats not to be overlooked.

The point is this: the ACC got TWICE as much money as before…with the SAME conference format and the SAME teams.

Surely the Big12 can command WAY MORE on TV revenue when their current ocpntract comes up for renewal beginning in 2012.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
12:02 pm

No problem Dave. Subject-matter focused. Won’t even comment on your last statement, we can talk all day. Question for SEC fans……would you rather “lock up a state” such as taking Clemson or would you rather get your foot in the door of Texas or Oklahoma? As far as ACC teams that seem like they would have the easiest transistion to the SEC with ample facilities and large fanbases, i would have to say FSU, Clemson and Virginia Tech.

Anonymous

June 11th, 2010
12:03 pm

He may be controversial, even at times, subversive, but he’s done more for the cause of peace than any other President out there.
Why else would what many consider the most prestigeous award in the world (the Nobel Peace Prize) be awarded to him?

Ivy Leaguer

June 11th, 2010
12:03 pm

Then what happened to the fool Anonymous? He got into the Naval Academy because he had good math scores and was nominated by a congressman friendly to his family.

Jeff G

June 11th, 2010
12:03 pm

SEC Additions: Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Georgia Tech

OK is tired of its rivalry with Texas. A&M wants a chance to get out from under the Longhorns shadow. Texas Tech just wants the $$$. Georgia Tech thinks it can compete now in the SEC.

Poison Ivy

June 11th, 2010
12:04 pm

The only nutjobs I see out there are the ones that were screaming “drill baby, drill!” and also like to proclaim they don’t want government involvement in our lives and then when one of the very industries they let run wild has a calamity, cry out “where the hell was the government!??” Label me a liberal if you like, call me a conservative too…but what I really am is non-party affiliated and a proud Independent for 35 years and my word is simply based on pure logic.

Joe Tess Fish House

June 11th, 2010
12:05 pm

Wow…..You SEC fans are amusing.

Nebraska is NOT leaving the Big XII because they are tired of losing to Texas and Oklahoma. Fact – Nebraska beat Oklahoma and damn near beat Texas in the Big XII championship game.

Texas does not want to go to the SEC. They would prefer to keep the Big XII intact. Since that is unlikely, they will join the Pac 10.

The only team in the SEC that has the same storied past as Oklahoma, Texas and Nebraska is Alabama. After that, there are no other teams to even come close.

Please keep posting. I really need the laughs.

PMC

June 11th, 2010
12:05 pm

That Mike Garrett has that job now after so many years and instances of corruption shows the arrogance of the institution. They didn’t think this would happen to them. Step one… ban freaking agents and smarmy people from practice. Step Two… don’t let Tim Floyd pay people through an intermediary.

They deserved more than they got for the sheer arrogance they have displayed. Garrett hires Lane Kiffin in the midst of all this? They earned every single one of the sanctions and they should have received more.

Ivy Leaguer

June 11th, 2010
12:06 pm

World Peace? Read some history about Neville Chamberlain and you will see the comparisons to Carter. Good man? Yes. Good President? probably the worse until Obama gets through.

Courtney

June 11th, 2010
12:07 pm

The Pac-10 conference has NOT won a National Championship since 1991. Kick them out of the BCS!

RxDawg

June 11th, 2010
12:09 pm

Watching a Gator and a Bee argue holds some irony for this Dawg.

Anonymous

June 11th, 2010
12:09 pm

HOW did Carter “. . . dr[i]ve this country into the ground.” ?
Was stagflation HIS doing?
No. it was the Fed’s.
Was the Iranian attack of our embassy his fault?
No. The Iranians had had enough of the CIA imposed Shah.
So, your position is that you align yourself politcally with the farmers of south Georgia more so than the intelligentsia of Nobel laureates?

Dave In Tampa

June 11th, 2010
12:09 pm

Anonymous
WHAT?? If you call apologizing for everything and cowarding to other countries more peaceful then go ahead with your thought. This so-called man has weakened this country far more than anyone could have imagined.
Sorry guys, this is a football blog. I’m eating my own words “Simple Techster”. That is all I’ll say about it.

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
12:11 pm

Anonymous; Patrick that kind of looks like your posts. Is it you boy?

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
12:12 pm

Rx, I understand how you hate them; they are more arrogant than us and they are without the championships.

Mybe So

June 11th, 2010
12:13 pm

Texas DOES NOT need the SEC. This is coming from someone who isn’t a big fan of the Big 12 or Texas. The Horns program brings in more money per year than any other program in the nation. And the second place program isn’t even close. Even if they went independent, they would still make more money. The SEC will need them much more than they need the SEC, Trust me.

Gary

June 11th, 2010
12:13 pm

No Anonymous, that donation change means that the university sees that many potential first time season ticket holders might not be able to fork over the $10K because of the down economy. It was certainly an issue last year and the contribution fell from the 10K to a little over 4K. The amount required now is on par to years before the 2008 season when demand was so high. Read the whole article.

Simple Techster – Florida won’t play Miami every year because that takes away another non-conference date that they could use to schedule other teams. Like the interview stated, Miami and Florida are set to play again in 2013 so the Gators are not against playing them. If Miami was invited and became a part of the SEC I am sure the Gators would be ok as it will renew an old rivalry and turn it into a conference rivalry. It would also allow Florida to not have to make any changes to their OOC schedule to play Miami on an annual basis.

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
12:13 pm

Silly Simple Simon.

I have written several of those college football articles on Wikipedia, and I did not feel the need to cut and paste the greater details from the “Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets football” article. What part of “bad sportsmanship and recruiting dirty tricks on the part of Bear Bryant” did not cover the further details you cut and pasted?

BTW, “fit of pique” is a not uncommon expression among college graduates with adequate or better writing skills.

Talk to the hand.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
12:14 pm

its easy to get off topic isnt it?
Nebraska has been meeting for an hour or so now. What i wouldnt do to be a fly on the wall. I think that by this evening Nebraska leaves, and by Monday the Texas and Oklahoma schools bolt for the PAC 10.

Tide Rising

June 11th, 2010
12:15 pm

Harvard

June 11th, 2010
11:38 am
“Yes. Horrible. Why do you align yourself with the SEC bigots and, more importantly, why are you using your superior mind to post all day on a college football blog?”

This reminds me of what I was reading about the possible move of the Texas schools to the pac 10 except for Baylor of course. Besides the fact that the bears are a poor draw and really aren’t competitive the other prime opposition to Baylor coming with UT, Tam, and TT is Cal-Berkley. Seems the Cal bears object to the fact that Baylor is a private Baptist school and don’t want the bears primarily due to their religious affiliation.

It never ceases to amaze me when someone, whether it be a Harvard alum or the Cal-Berkley administration, preaches open mindedness, inclusion, diversity, etc and then enforces then own particular brand of bigotry against those with whom they disagree. I guess their speech and their views are more equal than those of say a small private Baptist school or those bigoted SEC fans.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
12:16 pm

<—-working hard on staying on subject….

Gary, all i did was copy and paste a conversation between with Miami AD and ESPN radio. His words, not mine.

nothing but noise

June 11th, 2010
12:16 pm

Joe Tess Fish House :
The majority of us know the huskers are leaving for the cash, not just in sports but for inclusion in Bing Televins CIC and the research money that and the AAu provide. The others are taunting, laugh and let it go.

Texas can go kick rocks. I think most of us want A&M and its all speculation anyway. But Texas has proven itslef to want to be the ringleader and the SEC doesn’t work that way. We share and nobody gets a bigger slice of the pie than the rest. They can make all the money they want with their own rights and markets but not with SEC rights.

Now, could you define ’storied past’ please… b/c depending on your definition it could just be geographically relevant. GA-FLA have been playing @ neutral sites just as long as Tex-Okla. Some of our rivalries in teh SEC run just as long if not longer than yours… Our schools are just as recognizable as yours… So I don’t think I follow that one.

Tide Rising

June 11th, 2010
12:17 pm

Ooops. Typo. Should be their own rather than then own.

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
12:17 pm

Thank you Techster; it’s about time. When the dust settles I predict that the SEC adds A&M to the SEC West and Va Tech in the East.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
12:17 pm

I dont understand why someone, anyone, isnt jumping all over Boise State and TCU. Boise State has been doing well for quite a few years, TCU as well, and its remarkable that they have done it with inferior funding(i believe, i apologize if i am wrong). Why doesnt the PAC 10 try to get Boise State…and why doesnt the SEC go after TCU?

Anonymous

June 11th, 2010
12:17 pm

Dave:

Look, Carter’s postion(s) on Israel and Palestine are DEAD ON. The Israelis have been stealing Palestinian land for decades and thumbing their noses at retribution because of the US’ unilateral support.
Carter pi$$ed off a lot of very powerful people in this country and abroad, but wasn’t wrong.
Nor is he pro-Palestinian.
He’s just calling it like it is.

jim in austin

June 11th, 2010
12:19 pm

There is one option I don’t hear anyone discussing, at least not openly. Now that Notre Dame is no longer Notre Dame and is unlikely to ever be again, there could be an opening for another major independent. The SEC is a non-starter academically. The PAC10 disallows private television networks and Texas is known to be seriously considering one, a la ND. And a reconstituted Big 12, due to revenue sharing, is likely to be a net income loss for the Horns. Who amongst the “bigs” wouldn’t want to schedule a home-home with Texas? And who amongst the second and third tier teams wouldn’t gladly travel to Austin to get a taste of the big money? And what network wouldn’t jump at the chance to get exclusive distribution rights to Texas football? As long as there remain at-large BCS bids it is something that has to be considered…

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
12:19 pm

Gator….you think the SEC only grabs two teams to get to 14….and add more later if necessary to stay even with the Pac10 and Big 10?

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
12:20 pm

If you can’t defend it, you can’t have it, Anonymous. By your definition, Texas should be part of Mexico (some would say it still is). Heck, all of America would be owned by Indians.

How are Israelis stealing anything?

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
12:21 pm

GA Gator, the SEC can’t get VT without UVA.

Dave In Tampa

June 11th, 2010
12:22 pm

Anonymous – This conversation is for another blog. Let’s talk football!

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
12:23 pm

Yes Techster, they only need one team in Texas for the TV market. I have a lot of friends in Texas and even though Texas is by far #1, A&M is also by far #2. The SEC doesn’t need anymore teams from Ga, S.Carolina or Florida for TV, get Va Tech and they have the market up the East coast. Just sayin………

BigTimeTECHFan

June 11th, 2010
12:23 pm

I’m not in favor of expanding the SEC or ACC but would like a partnership between the the two:

Football – All teams must play at 2 game against teams from other conf in (home and home), best records get bragging rights for power conf.
Basketball- Have early season tourney, mix like ACC/Big10 challenge and Garden classic, Final 4 play in Atlanta, Orlando, Louisville, DC, site rotation.
Football – Both conf winners must play each other the following year, make it like kick-off classic.

Other confs would lose out because they would be to big.

That would be sweet

nothing but noise

June 11th, 2010
12:23 pm

Ric Flair:
b/c they are doing it right now when all borders and property rights are supposivley set and we have a united talk talk talk nations

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
12:23 pm

Dave, the way he is going on and on, I am sure it is Patrick.

OldWell

June 11th, 2010
12:24 pm

I don’t think that the SEC should expand rather there should be some discussion about what are cable networks paying for and more importantly advertisers. Are you really paying the Big10 more for Rutgers because it is next to NYC where maybe 20 people give a rat’s ass about RU football vs. Alabama where most every set is on a Tide game (love em or hate em). If you’re Pepsi, InBev, Ford or whoever are you really paying the cable company the same rate per subscriber? I would ask ESPN how this is measured. Hell there are 20 times more people in NYC watching SEC football than UCONN, Rutgers, Syracuse, etc., etc. Also, if ND loses in this process it won’t hurt my feelings one bit-pride before the fall!

JUST SAY IT

June 11th, 2010
12:24 pm

TEXAS IS AFRAID TO PLAY IN THE SEC……PERIOD

Dave In Tampa

June 11th, 2010
12:25 pm

On a serious comment. Not poking fun, but I read where Ric said that the SEC would not be able to get VT without UVA. Why would that be? UVA was apart of the ACC for a long time before VT came on board. I don’t see the aliance. Then again I’m not from that part of the country.

Bama

June 11th, 2010
12:25 pm

I heard from a buddy of mine this afternoon, the SEC wants to offer A&M, UNC, Duke, and Va. Tech invitations to the SEC in the next couple of days. Normally I wouldn’t listen to things like this, but he heard it from his dad, who is one the wealthy business men in country and has deep connections within the SEC. Personally, I like Va Tech & A&M, don’t how I feel about UNC & Duke.

GTBud

June 11th, 2010
12:26 pm

Texas will never come to the SEC, period. Where UT goes A&M will join. From everything that is being said and what I have been reading it is all going to come down to what the Big 10 does anyhow. If they go to 16 then the SEC basically has no choice. The logical choices for the SEC will be FSU, GT, UM, and Clemson. Do not be surprised if this happens, it has been talked about for months now with the SEC pulling from the ACC and then the ACC joining with the Big East. If I am the SEC why would I not want these 4 ACC schools when all it does is add to your conference in all sports.

It is only a matter of time now with Nebraska and Colorado jumping ship already. The Oklahoma schools will be next and then it all begins in a hurry.

learn something everyday

June 11th, 2010
12:27 pm

come on Bama, i heard from and friend or friend’s cousins mother’s cousin said you better give up a name so it can be verified.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
12:28 pm

The ACC and SEC would be EXTREMELY wary about a “partnership”. Thats what the Pac 10 and Big 12 were discussing….and it seems the Pac 10 decided to scrap that and offer invites to the teams it wanted. The ACC has to be scared of what the SEC may try to do(THIS COMING FROM THE BIGGEST TECH FAN EVER), if the ACC isnt careful it may be the ACC that dissolves into nothing and SEC and Big East megaconferences emerge.

Poison Ivy

June 11th, 2010
12:29 pm

Ivy, I will say that the hypocrisy in our country today astounds me. No one has the true courage of their convictions anymore. I grew up in the shadow of the Vietnam War which was treated mostly as a political football in DC. But I still hated those people who would disrespect our country and military service with loud protests and then by even publicly burning their “draft cards”. I was happy when I would see them arrested and hauled off to jail. But I must say in retrospect, at least they put their money where their mouth was, even as they paid a legal penalty and were percieved and labeled as misfits. Fast forward to the recent Health Care debate and these people who call themselves the “Tea Party”. They also protested loudly, this time it was about “government involvement” in their healt care. Some very valid concerns. But funny thing was, I never saw a single medicare card go up in flames. They sure didn’t want to give up THAT government controlled card! Made me kind of wonder if it was even about health care at all……

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
12:30 pm

GTBud, not trying to insult you here, but GT rarely does and Miami never sell out their home games, so I think those two won’t be invited, plus neither add much to the TV market. Even around Atlanta most people are UGA fans and in Florida, there are almost as many Florida fans in South Florida as there are Miami fans.

Bama

June 11th, 2010
12:30 pm

Sorry “learn something”, I’m not going give names. But with all the speculation going around; a little more can’t hurt. I realize there is no way to verify this and it sounds like total BS, but if I didn’t trust this guy I wouldn’t have posted it.

learn something everyday

June 11th, 2010
12:30 pm

GTBud “It is only a matter of time now with Nebraska and Colorado jumping ship already. The Oklahoma schools will be next and then it all begins in a hurry.”

Since those schools can’t actually jump until the 2012-2013 season why does everything the sky is going to fall today? Nebraska may well go, heck some tex + ok schools may go, but they don’t have to make that choice right now. Chancellors, AD directors, Regents, they don’t really do knee jerk reactions. They are paid not to.

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
12:31 pm

When the ACC expanded, the politicians in Virginia wanted VT, not Syracuse, so they did some behind the doors lobbying and threaten to withhold Virginias’ vote if they didnt get their way. It would be interesting to see what happened if VT tried to leave Virginia behind.

learn something everyday

June 11th, 2010
12:31 pm

Bama, I couldn’t resist man. Sorry for the jab.

Techman

June 11th, 2010
12:31 pm

poor Kansas.

Anonymous

June 11th, 2010
12:31 pm

Ric:

“If you can’t defend it, you can’t have it, Anonymous. By your definition, Texas should be part of Mexico (some would say it still is). Heck, all of America would be owned by Indians.

How are Israelis stealing anything?”

That’s BRILLIANT, so imperialism at its worst, where a militarily superior foe gets whatever he desires at the peril of the weaker (but no less legitimate) occupant, is not to be condemned?

Aren’t we supposed to have evolved to a more civilized society in the last couple of hundred years?

IL Jacket

June 11th, 2010
12:32 pm

Jim in Austin, that is an interesting thought and I have read
somewhere that UT has either the largest or second largest living alumni, but I think you have to look at the geographic dispersion of the alumni base. I don’t have the facts, but I would assume UT’s alumni base is heavily concentrates in Texas. ND alumni are more geographically dispersed and it has probably the largest subway alumni of any school. I think it would be
a case of the local affiliates balking at having to carry the games, since they depend on selling local advertising for their revenue. The other reason it works for ND is the BCS consideration they get. If we go the way of the superconferences, the BCS may become an anachronism. I think that issue may be what ultimately drives ND into the B10. If you are ND, the rapidity with which formerly stable appearing relationships unravel cannot be
comforting.

Tide Rising

June 11th, 2010
12:32 pm

Joe Tess Fish House,

I read a good article this morning fromt the Waco tribune. It was saying that even at Texas there are differences. The president wants to go to the Pac 10 and Mack Brown wants to stay in the big 12.

I did not see where an SEC fan posted that NU left the big 12 because they were tired of losing to OU and Texas which would seem to be an ignorant statement. Especially since programs ebb and flow and in the 90s it was Nebraska that was destroying those programs.

NU, like OU and Texas, truly is one of the nation’s alltime premier programs. All 3 are either top 5 or top 10 historic programs at the least using practically any criteria by which you could judge a program. I think most of us SEC programs know that. But I would also say Tennessee is probably the nation’s 10th most storied program. They should be top 10 also or very close to it.

Ivy Leaguer

June 11th, 2010
12:33 pm

I served in Vietnam from late 70 thru late 71 and the protests you mention had a profound outcome on the war. GI’s were treated poorly when they returned even though many were draftees and had no choice. As far at the Tea Party goes, I went to the rally in Atlanta and at 62 I felt like an old man. The average age I saw was around 35-40. Very few my age and by the way Medicare doen’t start til 65.

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
12:34 pm

Anonymous, That is you Patrick! At least say hello and acknowledge it for us.

Bama

June 11th, 2010
12:35 pm

Enter your comments here

Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
12:35 pm

Here is a good football question…..Since it seems most people in here are SEC fans, step outside the box for a moment. Say you are the ACC commissioner….what do you do? Do you wait for the Big10 and the SEC to make a move….or do you solidify yourself by trying to nab some more schools in the northeast before the big10 does? East Carolina? West Virginia? Do you try and lure a SEC team away?(Seriously, quit laughing) What do you do?

Bama

June 11th, 2010
12:39 pm

“Simple Techster” No SEC schools are leaving the conf. I do think making a move for some Big East schools wouldn’t be a terrible idea though. If I’m the ACC, I’d be looking at Louisville, WUV, and UConn.

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
12:39 pm

Techster, I would try to get Syracuse, Rutgers and USF. The only 2 SEC schools that might consider would be Kentucky and Vanderbilt.

Tide Rising

June 11th, 2010
12:41 pm

ga gator,

Naw! I don’t think Patrick is in the house. If he were we would have already had a bevy of statistics on Coach Richt and I would already have been reminded that Richt is 3-1 against Bama.

rabiddawg

June 11th, 2010
12:41 pm

If the SEC does expand, why not make a run at UNC? Although the expansion is all about football, their program is on the rise and a trendy pick in the ACC. Basketball program would give SEC instant credibility. Can you imagine UNC v KY yearly within the conference? Also would help with the larger markets in North Kakalacky.. Now just add maybe FSU or VT and you have an even better conference all around in all sports, not just football. Just a thought..

Jeff

June 11th, 2010
12:41 pm

Tony, while there are times I utterly dislike the articles you write when it clearly shows you have a clear favorite- I LOVE your thoughts and insighs in articles like this one. I am gladd the NCAA did what they did to USC- the darlings of college football are nothing but cheap cheaters. One question- why would Texas not want to come to the SEC- seems like more rivalries (Hogs especially) plus many others to be…..

Apolleaux

June 11th, 2010
12:42 pm

Academics, really Simple Techster? The SEC is Football Heaven, we could give a rats ass about academics. Give me 25mill for winning the National Championship and I’ll buy some damn academics.

this be all ins fun cuz we’s really due likes ackiedemics, pppfffffttt

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
12:43 pm

Dave in Tampa, the only reason VT got into the ACC was because the ACC needed UVA’s vote to get to 7 (then the conference was 9 and seven votes were required to approve expansion – Duke and UNC opposed). The Gov. of VA at the time said that VT was needed for UVA to vote to approve it so the ACC dropped Syracuse in favor of VT to buy UVA’s vote. I don’t see VT being able to leave now without UVA as the governor would not allow it to happen.

[...] Texas and Texas A&M officials met on Thursday in a attempt to salvage the Big 12. They didn’t find a way. That could certainly still be done by bringing on TCU and another worthy school. But I talked to several people last night who said there is a rift developing between Texas and Texas A&M over where to go if the Big 12 breaks up. Texas A&M athletics director Bill Byrne wants to listen to the SEC. Former Alabama coach Gene Stallings, who lives in the area, is a member of the Texas A&M Board of Regents and tells Byrne that the SEC will be a much better fit for the Aggies. Would the political class  in Austin allow the Longhorns and the Aggies to go in different directions? – Atlanta Journal-Constitution [...]

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
12:45 pm

Anonymous, if you want to play nice with terrorists, so be it. Let me know how that works out for you.

And no, the world hasn’t changed. It’s the way it works. If you don’t like it, move to Mars.

learn something everyday

June 11th, 2010
12:46 pm

Wow Simple I think I saw someone actually ask you that question 2 hours ago. Bout time you stopped talking smack.

West Virginia + USF are 2 good quick options. After that it could be murky Syracuse/Rutgers/Pitt good options but may well be targeted by Big 10 who would win the battle vs ACC in all likely hood. But proably not all three so say you get one, after that I dunno, cinncy, louisville, memphis.

Since you are our curent resident ACC homer at this moment who would you want to see. And like the guy above said, raiding the SEC really isn’t a likely scenario and you know it, so lets keep the dreams at bay.

jim in austin

June 11th, 2010
12:47 pm

IL Jacket – I would maintain that as many or more tune in to see ND get beaten as to see them win. Sort of a “Damn Yankees” mentality. That could be true of Texas as well. The problem with ND is that “getting beaten” is almost a given now and viewership has suffered amongst the non-faithful.

As for the BCS, all the merge mania might be driven by an emerging acceptance of the “plus 1″ format for a national championship. The four big remaining 16 team super conference champions could have an automatic lock on bids in one version of that scenario.

[...] The USC football program was almost put out of business yesterday. The loss of 30 scholarships over three years, with a cap of only 15 a year, is huge. The NCAA wanted to send a message. And it did. And of course all the parties involved–Pete Carroll, Reggie Bush–are shocked, SHOCKED, that these sort of penalties could be handed down. The NCAA didn’t give USC the death penalty, but it was close. And by the way: After what happened yesterday with the football and men’s basketball programs at USC, how in the world does athletics director Mike Garrett keep his job? – Atlanta Journal-Constitution [...]

learn something everyday

June 11th, 2010
12:48 pm

okay forgot UConn, good addition for ACC as well.

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
12:48 pm

Tide Patrick hasn’t done that in a while. Those posts are vintage Patrick. I rarely agree with him but the Dude is smart and well read.

Poison Ivy

June 11th, 2010
12:49 pm

Ivy, don’t know what part of the country you’re from but I was actually at a “Tea Party” rally here in Florida early this year (at the invitee of a friend and out of curiousity) and at age 57, I was probably younger than 70-80% there. But that is Florida so I don’t know. I will say that the crowds I saw at other rallies on TV strongly resembled the group I saw here in Florida, overwhelmingly predominately white and older.

Dave In Tampa

June 11th, 2010
12:50 pm

Thanks for the clarification Ric Flair.

As for UNC & Duke joining the SEC I would think it would be more likely Texas & A&M joining than UNC & Duke and I don’t see the Texas schools coming aboard. I would be shocked! Then again you never know!

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
12:50 pm

Some have mentioned West Virgina in the ACC. I hate to profile, but can you just see a Mountaineer talking to a UVA fan or a Dukie. I would pay just to watch that.

[...] The Big Ten could have one last card to play with Notre Dame: It goes something like this. Nebraska comes on board to expand the footprint to the West. Then the Big Ten raids the Big East for Syracuse, Rutgers, and Pittsburgh to lock up some Eastern markets. There is one slot left to form the Big 16. Notre Dame can fill that slot but the Irish brass has to ask for it. Notre Dame will understand that if it shows no interest, the slot goes to Missouri. How would you like to be Missouri and have to sweat that one out? A couple of weeks ago it looked like Missouri was a lock for the Big Ten. – Atlanta Journal-Constitution [...]

Poison Ivy

June 11th, 2010
12:52 pm

Ivy, sorry, saw where you had mentioned Atlanta. My bad.

Sam Osborne

June 11th, 2010
12:52 pm

Texas is going to like the Pac 10 where they will be the power.

Meanwhile, Notre Dames’s fate is only in its hands if it decides to become an irrelevant independent.

Further, the Big Ten is not going to leisurely sit back and take its time in expanding its membership—the dominoes started to fall with Colorado’s switch to the Pac-10.

Early next week, the Big East will have moth holes in it and parts of the ACC will be going into the SEC.

When the dust settles, all of the schools left out will make the best of it and start talking about how wonderful their new status is.

Boise Dawg

June 11th, 2010
12:52 pm

Financially it seems that Texas A&M’s best play is to go with Texas to the Pac-10 and to reap the rewards of a new Pac-10 network. I just read that the A&M athletic department has a lot of debt and is in bad shape financially. The worst thing that could happen for A&M would be for Texas to get their own network. Since the SEC would allow Texas to have such a network and the Pac-10 won’t… why would they want to come to the SEC with Texas? Why would they want to come without Texas and risk losing their biggest rival? It seems Texas should be the one that wants to come to the SEC if the Big 12 can’t be salvaged….not the other way around. If the only reason that A&M is looking at the SEC option is because of influence from Gene Stallings… well then that sounds pretty short sighted to me.

Ivy Leaguer

June 11th, 2010
12:52 pm

Poison, think about what you just said,” you went to one in Florida”, with all the retirees there it doesnt surprise me. In Atlanta, it was totally different, I was among the oldest.

Dave In Tampa

June 11th, 2010
12:52 pm

“Some have mentioned West Virgina in the ACC. I hate to profile, but can you just see a Mountaineer talking to a UVA fan or a Dukie. I would pay just to watch that.”

L.O.L.

learn something everyday

June 11th, 2010
12:53 pm

This would not lead to the + 1 format. Super Big10, Super pac10, super SEC, super ACC. MWC has been making a legitimate argument for last couple years and their congressional reps are in a tizzy over it. They postponed adding Boise to see the fall out, if they pick up the B12 supposed demise’s scrapss (Iowa St, Kasas, K-State, maybe mizzo) plus Boise then they now become the 5th Mega.

no telling what MAC-ConfUSA could do with Big E left over scraps depending on who gets left in the cold. They would have a lesser arguement but would make noise none the less along with the WAC. Unless those three unite to form a level between FBS and FCS.

CanadianWolf

June 11th, 2010
12:55 pm

Texas, Notre Dame, Missouri & Rutgers to the Big Ten Conference. Oklahoma & Texas A&M to the SEC.

SEC Needs Texas Schools

June 11th, 2010
12:55 pm

Addition of the Texas schools will help the SEC in academics and gaining acceptance nationally. It will raise the SEC’s level of respect. Adds class to a bumpkin conference. Plus, the best high school football is played in Texas.

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
12:57 pm

Dave in Tampa, agreed. But I don’t think Texas will go to the SEC (A&M seems possible though, if the reports are accurate – big assumption). I happen to think they’d be fools not to at least talk to the SEC if for no other reason than getting a better deal from Pac 10.

I don’t think Carolina or Duke would leave the ACC. It’s about more than just money with those schools, which is why they opposed ACC expansion back in 2003.

I tend to think the ACC and SEC should both stand pat. There is no need to go to 16 just because. Further, it seems to make sense to me that if 16 is the ultimate goal, just wait and see the mistakes that the other conferences make and learn from them. Heck, Texas might be a free agent again if the Pac 10 screws it up.

Me

June 11th, 2010
12:59 pm

Tide Rising and ga gator. No Patrick hasn’t disappeared, he has simply morphed. I think he was really getting called out for posting the same drivel day after day and people who might have even seen some substance there were probably tired of it. Yeah, he may be “smart” and well read but so was/is Jimmy Carter.

Tide Rising

June 11th, 2010
1:01 pm

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
12:50 pm
Some have mentioned West Virgina in the ACC. I hate to profile, but can you just see a Mountaineer talking to a UVA fan or a Dukie. I would pay just to watch that.

I saw something close to that when I attended a WVU vs GT bowl game in Miami years back. I’m guessing 10 years ago it was the carquest bowl. Anyway, the WVU side looked like a grizzly adams look alike convention and the Tech side looked like well, nerds. I hate to say that cause I like Tech since its the local college team but that’s what it looked like. I was drunk and at the bottom row of the 50 yard line of the upper deck. I was on the WVU side and kept yelling go cavaliers to all the people directly below me on the lower deck. Did it over and over and over and over probably a few thousand of them would look up at this idiot yelling go cavaliers and yell back “No. Its the MOUNTAINEERS”. Eventually the Grizzly Adams types all caught on to the fact that I was just messin with them and eventually learned to quit trying to correct me. But to this do I hold the distinction of probably being the only man to tick off 5,000 grizzly adams lookalikes.

GATORZONE

June 11th, 2010
1:01 pm

ACC should grab USF and WVU

Poison Ivy

June 11th, 2010
1:04 pm

Ivy, yeah that’s true, I didn’t see the one in Atlanta. Just going by the one I saw here in Florida and the ones I saw on TV.

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
1:04 pm

Report that Christian LeMay was suspended. Not sure if that’ll affect his UGA scholarship. Not offering an opinion either. Just forwarding on the report.

http://blogs.onlineathens.com/node/2036

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
1:07 pm

Gotta believe this will affect his ability to graduate early though and enroll at UGA in January 2010.

GATORZONE

June 11th, 2010
1:07 pm

Tide rising, now that is FUNNY!!!
]Go Cavaliers!!!

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
1:07 pm

SEC Needs Texas Schools Addition of the Texas schools will help the SEC in academics and gaining acceptance nationally. It will raise the SEC’s level of respect. Adds class to a bumpkin conference. Plus, the best high school football is played in Texas.

Respect for what? Are you a fool? The Bumpkin conference has won the last 4 NC’s in a row. There are no TV ratings for academics. The SEC does not need Texas and Texas is afraid to go anyway. As for quality of High School Football, Florida and Georgia are pretty damn good. The only reason more players come from Texas is because of the size of your population. Texas has only 3 million more people than Florida and Georgia combined. Course you do have all of those mexicans.

Gary

June 11th, 2010
1:09 pm

Ric Flair – UVA was pressured to vote for Va Tech into the ACC because then Governor Mark Warner was/is a big Tech guy. He is no longer calling the shots in Virginia and is sitting up in DC as a Senator. Va Tech can leave for the SEC if they want too. No one – including the UVA – will stop them.

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
1:10 pm

How tanked were you, Tide Rising? Good story, by the way.

[...] Barnhart of The Atlanta Journal-Constitution writes that Texas has to at least listen to what the SEC has to [...]

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
1:14 pm

Canadian wolf your post leaves only 15 teams for the Big 10 since they have 11 now, or are you already counting Nebraska?

Techman

June 11th, 2010
1:14 pm

article on collegefootballtalk.com says VT has no interest in SEC and SEC has not extended an offer.

[...] Barnhart of The Atlanta Journal-Constitution writes that Texas has to at least listen to what the SEC has to [...]

Manny

June 11th, 2010
1:15 pm

2. Texas must listen to what the SEC has to say: . . . . . . And then they will say, “See ya.”

Tony, I know you are doing your job to protect the SEC and stand with CBS, but you are wrong this time. Texas wants to go to a conference where they have the best chance to make the most money and be on top of the conference. Going to the SEC will do neither for them.

Just take ATM and be happy to go after some other non-Big 12 teams.

jj

June 11th, 2010
1:19 pm

tony, will usc fire mike garrett?

Reptiles Rule

June 11th, 2010
1:19 pm

Hey, I’ve got an idea. Now that Colorado and Nebraska have made their move, why doesn’t the Big 12 just pick up two more teams and just let everything else stay the same. Am I wishful thinking here???

Woooahhhhhh

June 11th, 2010
1:22 pm

You’ve already heard it before Tony. Texas won’t go to the SEC, because Texas wouldn’t be the perceived top dog. Austin and Berkeley, yes. College Station and Berkeley, not so much, actually – that combination itself is bipolar opposites. College Station and Oxford, Starksville, Athens, and Gainesville, yes.

learn something everyday

June 11th, 2010
1:22 pm

Rarely will I ever say this but I am with the Reptiles Rule on this one. Let them all get to 12 and squash this nonsense.

Charlie

June 11th, 2010
1:23 pm

“I’m a Texas alum, and Texas will never join the SEC. UT likes being a big fish swimming with minnows; in the SEC they’d be swimming with sharks. They’ll go to the Pathetic-10 where the pickings are much easier.”

66-3. Does that ring a bell?

[...] Barnhart of The Atlanta Journal-Constitution writes that Texas has to at least listen to what the SEC has to [...]

Larry M

June 11th, 2010
1:34 pm

Look folks, expansion is all about revenue and media markets. That much is obvious. For expansion to make sense to the SEC, they must go into a new market in order to increase the pot of money to divide amongst the schools. Going into a market they already saturate will only decrease each school’s payout.

Therefore those of you barking about adding Clemson, FSU, Miami need to get a clue. The SEC is fully saturated in the SC and FL markets. Adding those teams add nothing to the SEC’s pot o’ gold.

There are two markets the SEC would like to grab from the ACC: Charlotte/Greensboro/Raleigh and the Richmond/DC/Baltimore markets. In the latter case, the obvious target is Va Tech. For the other, you target UNC or NC State. I’m not saying any of these teams would leave the ACC – Va Tech may not be able to go without UVA and UNC may be too tied to the basketball tradition to leave. I’m just saying those are the only logical targets.

The other place the SEC can look is west: Texas – Dallas, Houston, etc. These are huge media markets where the SEC has no foothold right now except from what spillover we get from Arkansas and LSU. The SEC has several options here: A&M, Texas, and OU. Any of them would cover the desired markets. Texas and OU seem like the most unlikely targets because they have the least to gain from a partnership with the SEC. A&M has the most and is the more logical choice.

If you add A&M to the West, you need to find someone from the ACC to grab. Va Tech would be the best target for the East.

CanadianWolf

June 11th, 2010
1:35 pm

@ga gator: Yes, I am assuming that Nebraska will join the Big Ten Conference today.
Texas wants to join the Big Ten Conference for the academic prestige & research co-operation of the Big Ten’s (plus Univ. of Chicago) CIC. Research money is huge in the Big Ten, which is the only conference in the country in which all members (including Nebraska)belong to the AAU (Assoc. of American Universities). The AAU is a group of 63 universities that do significant research.

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
1:37 pm

Larry M, your reasoning for adding schools is correct. However, VA Tech does not deliver anything except the huge Blacksburg market. If you want Northern VA, you need Maryland and UVA.

SEC will get jobbed

June 11th, 2010
1:42 pm

Hilarious to watch as the big bad SEC gets used for leverage as Texas looks West…listen rednecks, they aren’t coming!

And the ACC schools that the SEC thinks will automatically jump if asked? As of today, Miami and VT have openly stated they are not leaving the SEC. FSU is not leaving because they have an easier path to the national championship in the ACC. GT and Clemson wont be asked because the SEC ‘already owns’ Atlanta and SC right? Sure, sure…

Have fun with Memphis and Lousville SEC fans. May be you can pick up some leftovers from the Big 12 minus 3 i.e. Kansas and Kansas State. They just scream SEC don’t they?

CanadianWolf

June 11th, 2010
1:44 pm

The only SEC school that is an AAU member is Florida. Georgia Tech just became the 63rd member this year. Research grants can be much larger than football revenues; for example, Michigan State recently received a one billion dollar research grant (equal to about 50 years of Big Ten athletic revenue sharing of $20 million per year). Only about 35 of the 63 member universities of the AAU play big-time college football of which 12 are in the Big Ten. Notre Dame is not an AAU member, but the Big Ten indicated that the conference would make an exception for Notre Dame if it wanted to join the Big Ten Conference.

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
1:44 pm

I am aware of the what the AAU is all about Canada wolf, UF has been a member since 1985. I hate to tell you though; this is about TV revenue and nothing else or Texas would just stay in what’s left of the Big 12 and add perhaps TCU, Baylor or SMU who used to belong to the old SW Conference.

Boise Dawg

June 11th, 2010
1:46 pm

Didn’t Texas already accept an offer to come to the SEC back in 1990, but the Texas legislature blocked it? I don’t think they are coming to the SEC, but I have to laugh at those that say academics in the SEC is a non-starter for Texas. Go check out the Big XII academic rankings… sorry but the SEC has better rankings head to head from top to bottom. UT is the #1 rated academic school in the Big XII, but they would not be in the SEC. Also Big XII has three schools considered Tier 3 in Kansas St. Oklahoma St. and Texas Tech. So someone please explain why Texas wouldn’t be an academic fit in the SEC?

rebman76

June 11th, 2010
1:46 pm

Well, you can forget Boise State joining the Big 12 because cbssports.com just reported that teh Broncos have accepted an invite to the Mountain West Conference. It was posted about 5 mins ago.

learn something everyday

June 11th, 2010
1:47 pm

http://www.cnbc.com/id/37636000

Here look at this and see if you still believe all this super/mega conference bull. SEC championship generated 14.5 million last year. That is the final peice of the pie everyone is trying to get. The conferences making the moves are the ones that do not currently have a championship game which is why the ACC + SEC and sitting still.

They will all goto 12 and stop. It is all about the money, we all agree on that. but once you get past 12 the monetary formula is unknown and may actually be a downside.

Really and truely there is only one real prize, Texas. And its better intrests are to stand pat and reform their Big 12. If the Big East can survive loosing their 3 best teams (debateable i know) then surely Tex/Okla/A&M can survive loosing Nebraska & Colorado.

The landscape will change but the sky will not fall.

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
1:47 pm

You are incorrect as Vanderbilt is also has been a member since 1950. And jabbed, yea they scream like Texas and Oklahoma has the last two years in the BCS Championship game.

rebman76

June 11th, 2010
1:47 pm

Actually, it is breaking news on their site. It’s at the top.

rebman76

June 11th, 2010
1:48 pm

New Expanded SEC

June 11th, 2010
1:51 pm

SEC is poised to add:

Southern Miss
Lousiania Tech
Memphis
USF

This will make the SEC the best football conference in America and also raise the academic profile of the conference with Louisiana Tech and Memphis.

No FSU

June 11th, 2010
1:52 pm

I don’t think it would be wise for Georgia to want FSU in the SEC. FSU already gets several players from south Georgia. I believe that they would get even more if they were part of the SEC. I’m talking about the Valdosta, Thomasville, Bainbridge, Cairo, Albany areas mainly.

CamdenMark

June 11th, 2010
1:54 pm

We don’t want/need any stinking Texans in our SEC.
Go west to the irrelevent PAC whatever,good place for ‘em.

Larry M

June 11th, 2010
1:54 pm

@Ric Flair re: Va Tech

Yes, they are in dinky Blacksburg and you would get more of the NOVA/DC/Baltimore market if you were to nab UVA or UMd. But I spent 10 years living in DC and there is a significant Va Tech population there. When the Washington Post covers college football, it is usually about Va Tech. But I don’t see UVA or UMd fitting in as well in the SEC as Va Tech. I’m just saying among the ACC schools, Va Tech or NC State are the most logical targets.

Big Tex

June 11th, 2010
1:54 pm

The Horns don’t plan on making any trips to places like Starkville and Tuskaloosa anytime soon. We require indoor plumbing and airports folks.

aggie94

June 11th, 2010
1:56 pm

A&M to SEC, Maybe ou too.

aggie94

June 11th, 2010
1:58 pm

ou sure has been quiet…..seems smart might be working on some backroom deal like when they formed the big 12 with tu

BlueDawg

June 11th, 2010
1:58 pm

It is pointless to talk about GT coming back into the SEC. Forget UGA vetoing it, As a dawg I would love it if Tech was a conference game again. Tech was a founding member of the SEC, but there is no way that Bama ever lets Tech back into the SEC.

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
1:59 pm

Tide Rising—-

As as an alumnus of the other Blue & Orange University in Charlottesville, I can only say that I am sure the West-by-God-Virginia football fans were not amused.

Wahoo-wa!

neil anderson

June 11th, 2010
1:59 pm

If u are BIg 10 w/ Neb, hard to understand not taking Mizzou and Kansas (why not KU – good fit – greatly raises hoops bar w/ Izzo gone), then Pitt and one last slot for ND. That’s strong!

SEC best fits = FSU, Louisville, WVa, and Clemson, but might settle for Cinn or Houston, if Clem won’t leave ACC.

ACC left with adding (if just lose FSU) Rutgers, Syracuse, and UConn…done at 14.

Just b/c Pac 10 goes w/ 16 does not mean ACC, Big 10, and SEC have to reach 16.
In fact, 14 would be better – less schools to spread money around – keep quality higher- AND keep a rivalry game from other side/div of conference.

T3

June 11th, 2010
2:03 pm

Well the just released news that the Mountian West has extended an invite to Boise State makes it appear that, maybe, just maybe, the Big12 might just survive.

The MW was waiting to see who might be a Big12 cast-off to invite.
Now that Boise State has the MW invite, maybe that means there wont be any Big12 cast-offs besides Colorado and the Big12 will survive somehow afterall.

The rushed press release today that Houston is building big new football AND basketball facilities might also be part of an “orchestrated” effort to save the Big12.

Maybe.

SC

June 11th, 2010
2:07 pm

The thing is if the Pac-16 forms as predicted, they very likely will get two bcs bowl bids, and the Big 10 would do the same if they went to 16, they would both have conference championship games, and would end up easily surpassing the amount the SEC rakes in.

SEC fans are very diehard about their football programs though, and I’m curious what it would take for you guys not to consider yourself the best football conference (not saying the SEC isn’t the best football conference right now, but just curious at what point would you consider another conference superior). From the way some of you guys talk you think there should be 4 automatic BCS bids for the SEC 5 from the other conferences and one at large, with the national championship game always being two SEC teams, with every non conference game played being against a high school team.

Boise Dawg

June 11th, 2010
2:09 pm

T3 I don’t think Boise going to the MWC is an indication that the Big 12 may stay intact. The only teams the Mountain West thought they had even a remote shot at getting and wanted were Nebraska and Colorado. Nebraska was a pipe dream, but both them and Colorado clearly wanted out of the Big XII. Once it became apparent that those schools were off the table the MWC pulled the trigger on Boise. Kansas isn’t coming to the Mountain West and who else that they could even get would they want at this point?

aggie94

June 11th, 2010
2:09 pm

Couger High should stick to CSA. Houston is full o Ags and Horns not coogs.

Da A

June 11th, 2010
2:14 pm

SEC is going after A&M & Va Tech. They will get both. The other two teams are an unknown?

G8R GRAD

June 11th, 2010
2:27 pm

Tide Rising:

Go Cavs!

Great stuff.

timthebrave

June 11th, 2010
2:29 pm

It’s about money. If anyone offers the schools more money they will take it. The end

Tide Rising

June 11th, 2010
2:30 pm

Ric Flair and gatorzone,

I was pretty tanked but more than that I was just having fun with the WVU fans. Voice was gone the next day, couldn’t speak, and my throat was sore. But it was fun knowing I could rile up about 5,000 WVU fans. I’m a pretty big man but I was just lucky none of them grizzly adams fellers bear hugged me to death.

learn something everyday

June 11th, 2010
2:31 pm

http://www.coveritlive.com/index2.php/option=com_altcaster/task=viewaltcast/template=JournalStar001/altcast_code=0bdef769a2/draft=y/width=790/height=585

Live from the Nebraska board of regents. behind closed doors for last 30mins so nothing of intrest yet.

And then there is this :
http://www.kansascity.com/2010/06/11/2009414/nebraska-bolts-for-the-big-ten.html

they say it was confirmed this morning. But considering some of the bs that has been comming out of Kansas City the last 24-48 hrs I will wait on the 1st link to tell me.

Tide Rising

June 11th, 2010
2:35 pm

Atlanta Gator,

At first the WVU fans were amused cause they thought there’s some drunk guy that doesn’t know the difference between the cavaliers from virginia and the mountaineers from West Virginia and so they just tried to sort of correct me. Then they caught on that I was just messin with em. Well, then they weren’t amused. More like annoyed as hell.

T3

June 11th, 2010
2:35 pm

Houston was once a dominant program in both basketball and football, and isnow clearly on the return.

Anyone remember Heisman Winner Andre Ware, or Phi Slamma Jamma ?

Houston is the 3rd largest university in Texas
behind ONLY Texas and Texas A&M.

With an undergrad enrolllment of over 38,000,
Houston is larger than every single SEC team except Florida.

Just sayin.

CamdenMark

June 11th, 2010
2:36 pm

One BCS bid to a conference boys.

papadawg

June 11th, 2010
2:39 pm

We’re headed for a one World Government so we might as well have a one World College Sports Conference

Neki Ecko

June 11th, 2010
2:39 pm

I think that TAMU is going to leave behind Big Brother to come to SEC with OU. I think that is going to happen soon.

Alphare

June 11th, 2010
2:39 pm

To say Texas joining SEC is a step downward is laughable.

UT/UF/UGA/BAMA are all big bad state colleges, they are not academic juggernauts. Believe me, if they are as good academically as some of you think they are, they won’t be good in Football.

Just ask Harvard and Princeton. You can ask Notre Dame too.

DP

June 11th, 2010
2:43 pm

aggie94, the Dallas Morning News quotes the Oklahoma AD saying that OU splitting from Texas would be a big mistake. It also said that while Texas A&M was considering the SEC it was most likely to go with the rest to the Pac 10.

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
2:47 pm

Neal Anderson—-

You are correct, sir. SEC expansion only makes sense if the new programs actually add viewers. Furthermore, if you can add more viewers, and more revenue, it also makes more sense to keep the pool of distributees smaller. Past 12 members, any new member must generate more than 1/12 of the present income in additional bowl receipts or television revenue. How you generate additional bowl receipts is obvious: does the new member regularly get invited to a major bowl? Okay, let’s talk about Florida State, Texas, Virginia Tech. Miami used to get invited regularly, but they haven’t recently and they’re otherwise a bad fit (i.e. miserable home attendance and few traveling fans).

How do you generate more television revenue? Well, the new member(s) must either increase the conference’s footprint geographically into new major television markets (Missouri, North Carolina, Texas, Texas A&M, Virginia Tech), or they must bring additional brand recognition to the conference justifying better-paying television network contracts. The national marquee names are Florida State, Oklahoma and Texas, and to a lesser extent, Texas A&M.

Georgia Tech would add neither new geographic television markets or a national marquee name. Clemson might help marginally in the Carolina markets.

Adding new schools without increasing revenue by a greater amount than the additional 1/x revenue distribution share makes no damn sense. Expansion for the sake of expansion is a loser. Rationally examined, there are really only a handful of logical candidates for the SEC to pursue, plus those “package deal” schools that might get dragged along with the better expansion bid candidates.

I don’t think FSU will accept an SEC bid because they see an easier route back to big-time bowls and possible BCS bids through the ACC than through the SEC. Texas is a proud sports program and appears to be leaning toward the Pac-10; Oklahoma and Oklahoma State want to follow Texas. Texas A&M might, in fact, be better off in the SEC than in the new Pac-11+, and would finally get out from under the Longhorns’ shadow in the same way that FSU got away from Florida by joining the ACC. The Aggies would also add new Texas television markets for the SEC; they probably make sense.

Well, who else then? Virginia Tech, maybe, and they would add the Richmond and Washington television markets. Do they want to join the SEC? I don’t have a clue—-but, if Texas A&M accepts, ask the Hokies next, and Clemson after that.

You can make a run at North Carolina, but I doubt they would accept. They are a primarily a basketball school, and leaving the ACC would upset all of their traditional sports rivalries. Duke makes no sense from a football standpoint, but would never accept unless UNC jumped first. Wake Forest and NC State would add nothing, either in terms of major national following or much fan depth in television markets, and certainly nothing in terms of national following. Virginia might add something in the Richmond and DC markets, but they have a very short history of competitive top-25 football under George Welsh (now retired). Missouri would add the St. Louis television market, but their move to the Big Ten looks like a done deal. West Virginia? Well, they would add the West Virginia television market (smaller than either Arkansas or Mississippi markets), but what they heck do they offer in terms of major bowls, new television markets and a national following? Adding WVU looks like a wash at best, and probably actually reduces distribution shares.

No, guys, it is a very short list of logical candidates for SEC expansion. If I were Mike Slive, I would be burning up the phone lines to Austin, College Station and Blacksburg, then maybe Clemson. Get Texas, you get Texas A&M and probably Oklahoma. You may still get Texas A&M without Texas. Virginia Tech might jump, but you would need another team to get to an even number—-Clemson?

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
2:53 pm

Tide Rising—-

There’s a reason why they call it “West-by-God Virginia”—-on both sides of the mountain.

learn something everyday

June 11th, 2010
2:55 pm

For those of you who can’t hear it, Pearlman from Neb is requesting to move to Big 10 and blaming the breakup of the B12 on Mizzo. He used the exact words breakup of the big 12

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
2:57 pm

I like this quote from Pete Thamel of the NY Times in his article today:

“WHAT’S NEXT?”
” In the short term, the Pac-10 appears to be on course to expand to 16 teams by early next week. Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech seem likely to join Colorado in the Pac-10. Twitter jokes about having the conference’s west and east division named Surf and Turf have already popped up.”

Surf and Turf…great! I’m still trying to decide on 16-PAC or Best Western for the conference name.

learn something everyday

June 11th, 2010
2:57 pm

Harvey Perlman: asking regents to OK move to Big Ten
Perlman: We’re not responsible for Big 12 breakup.
Perlman: Nebraska did not start this discussion. Saw reports of Mizzou wanting to leave Big 12
Perlman: Colorado being poised to enter Pac-10 was a risk to Big 12
Perlman: “We thought Nebraska was in a very vulnerable position.”
Perlman: We reached out to Big 10 and spoke to them about implications.
Harvey Perlman on if the Big 12 collapses: “I do not believe that we bear that responsibility. One school leaving a conference does not destroy a conference”
Perlman: At Big 12 meeting, it was confirmed discussions were taking place about Big 12 losses to Pac-10, Big 10

learn something everyday

June 11th, 2010
3:00 pm

Perlman: After Big 12 meeting, Tom and I met with Big 10, who agreed it made sense for Neb to move to Big 10
Perlman to regents: We will seek full academic and athletic integration with the Big 10 if you approve this
Perlman: We want to begin competition in Big 10 in 2012.

Neki Ecko

June 11th, 2010
3:01 pm

@DP,

I dont think that nobody is buying that, besides being with Texas isnt the greatest thing in the world. I think that Mike Silve is using that issues to try to sway the TAMU to SEC.

learn something everyday

June 11th, 2010
3:01 pm

Perlman: Academically, we would be integrated with Big 10 immediately
Todd Henrichs: I think Kevin mistyped. Perlman said he would like to begin in 2011. Just one more season in Big 12.
Perlman: We’ll have a seat on Big 10 board of directors
Perlman: I think we are, as an institution, more aligned with Big 10, especially academically

Your mom at my house

June 11th, 2010
3:02 pm

BIG 10 is still irrelevant and adding failing programs will not help. ACC you have always been sad and will continue to be. Texas is use to having an easy schedule and so may choose to not play with the real football powers in the SEC. Techster needs to get a job and life as tech is a joke in football ( ask UGA and LSU). You have no clue what texas will or won’t do and to be so insistant that you have inside information is laughable. You have no clue as I am sure they don’t yet know. Get a job and move out of your parent’s house for starters.

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
3:02 pm

Larry M—-

I just read your comments on the previous page and they echo what I was typing after you had posted. If the SEC can’t get Texas, Texas A&M and Virginia Tech make the most sense from the perspective of new television markets. If you can’t get Texas A&M, then add Virginia Tech and Florida State—-FSU would add a national marquee name and a national television following. If you can’t get FSU to go with Virginia Tech, then grab Clemson to complete the package and call it a day at the new SEC-14.

Bottom line, for SEC expansion to make sense, I think you need to get at least one of Texas, Texas A&M, Virginia Tech or Florida State, and then get to an even number.

learn something everyday

June 11th, 2010
3:04 pm

Perlman: I look forward to taking part in Committee on Institutional Cooperation, the Big 10’s academic arm
Perlman: Big Ten Network will allow more people to see NU games and NU gets academic programming on that network
Perlman: “This will bring Nebraska the stability that the Big 12 cannot offer.”
Perlman: “We would most likely not have another option” if Big 12 dissolves”

learn something everyday

June 11th, 2010
3:05 pm

Perlman: “The Big Ten Network will be carrying our games across the landscape of Nebraska”
Perlman: We will miss the longtime rivalries within Big 12
Perlman: On Big 12 penalty for withdrawal, “any penalty imposed on the University of Nebraska” would be inappropriate”

Okay Perlman is done and the AD Osborne is taking over now.

Tide Rising

June 11th, 2010
3:08 pm

Atlanta Gator and others,

One other thing that I found interesting is that Missouri was practically begging to get into the Big 10. Big 10 doesn’t want them and won’t take them. To me that is amazing because Missouri is one of the few states in the country that has 2 large cities Kansas City and St. Louis and hence you would think its a big tv market. In the SEC only florida for example has 2 cities large enough to support pro sports franchises. tennessee maybe to a lesser degree with nashville and Memphis.

Of course Mizzou has always underachieved especially relative to a traditionally elite program like Nebraska but it still amazes me that the big 10 would not take mizzou. I suspect it can only be due to the fact that maybe its academics or maybe those 2 cities are mainly pro sports towns. Even then I would guess that everybody in that state would be a Mizzou fan for college since its the only big state college similar to LSU or Nebraska in their respective states.

Just by population #s and with 2 large cities you would think they would have a decent recruiting groundcertainly far larger than Nebraska which has no large cities and is mainly an agricultural state. Odd that Mizzou has never ever mounted a consistently good football program with these built in advantages. Anyone know why the big 10 refused them or more interestingly why a program with such built in advantages has forever generally sucked in football?

learn something everyday

June 11th, 2010
3:09 pm

Tom O.: We take academics seriously and Big Ten is a big fit in that regard.
Tom O.: Being in Big 10 puts us on more level playing field
Tom O.: We’re often at a disadvantage by having to compete against sunbelt Big 12 teams
Tom O.: “The stability of the Big Ten is something that we cannot ignore at this time”
Tom O.: “Recruiting is certainly an issue.”

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
3:13 pm

Nebraska announced it on the web site 10 minutes ago.

HugoStiglitz

June 11th, 2010
3:14 pm

According to Chip Brown and orangebloods Texas will announce next Tuesday that it is joining the Pac 10. They also say 4 teams are locks to join the Pac 10 and one is on the fence. The 4 locks are obviously Texas, Oklahoma, Ok State, and Texas Tech. Texas A&M has to be the one on the fence. Sorry Tony, it looks like Texas didnt have to listen to the SEC.

learn something everyday

June 11th, 2010
3:16 pm

Tom O.: “We will continue to recruit Texas.”
Tom O.: We’ll continue to recruit Calif and southeast US
Tom O.: The Big Ten Network will help recruiting by allowing athletes’ parents to see their kids play
Tom O.: Outdoor sports, like golf, tennis and swimming, will benefit greatly with more competitors in Big Ten
Tom O.: The distance factor in the Big Ten is an issue for athletic competitions. Big 10 teams are farther away
Tom O.: “We think that (travel distances) will not be as big an issue.”
Tom O.: As for loyalty to Big 12, our loyalty has to be to Nebraska, our fans, our athletes and students
Tom O.: This will enhance Innovation Campus, NU’s developing research and development campus
Tom O.: “We may have to fly a little bit more” to get to athletic competitions.
Tom O.: As for financial issues, “this will not be a windfall.”
Tom O.: We’ve been transparent with Big 12. “We have not hidden any agenda.”

Alright I got a company conference call soon, gotta go. They vote after Tom O finishes speaking but from what they’ve said they want a 1 and Done to start in the Big Televin in 2011 and will either fight or pay the fee. The regents could nix that though.

Have a good weekend.

Gatorbait 17-3

June 11th, 2010
3:17 pm

No matter what, DON’T LET MIAMI into the SEC, they can’t fill their stadium and
what fans they have don’t travel. Oh, I almost forgot, most of their players are
on work release programs or wear ankle braclets.

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
3:19 pm

Nebraska to the Big Ten kinda sorta makes sense. They are already an AAU member, but it will be the weakest academic sister among the Big Ten. If Missouri gets added, it too is an AAU member, but Mizzou is even weaker academically than Nebraska.

Guess football and media markets trumps academics, even in Jim Delaney’s academic Big Ten (12).

Old joke: For what does the “N” on the side of the Nebraska football stand? Knowledge.

Neki Ecko

June 11th, 2010
3:19 pm

Oh well, I think that TAMU is going to split up from their brethen to join us, Heck, I started look at Mizzoui.

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
3:20 pm

I guess I just got my karmic come-uppance. That should read:

“Old joke: For what does the “N” on the side of the Nebraska football helmet stand? Knowledge.”

learn something everyday

June 11th, 2010
3:25 pm

okay i stuck around dont tell my boss. its done. regents just voted unamimously. 2011 it is.

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
3:26 pm

Tide Rising – Missouri begging, maybe so. They meet the requirement of AAU membership, but their academic ranking is #102. The Big Ten average is 50. Why Nebraska? Their ranking is #96. Both schools were mentioned last week in reports about the Big Ten expansion, along with Rutgers (and Notre Dame). Perhaps Missouri appeared uncertain, while Nebraska did not. Just my speculation.

It's gettin' all oily up in here

June 11th, 2010
3:26 pm

When it comes to most of the Tech fans posting comments here, all I can say is “wow”.

How the hell do you put up with these people on a daily basis, Dawg fans? Talk about an envy- and hate-filled inferiority complex! How old are you, Techster? 13? It’s like the most obnoxious Memphis State fan and most obnoxious Southern Miss fan got “together” and produced offspring, and then sent him to GT.

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
3:30 pm

Tide Rising—-

FYI, Florida actually has three NFL cities: Jacksonville, Miami and Tampa. Miami and Tampa also have MLB and NHL franchises, and Miami and Orlando have NBA teams. Florida now has the fourth largest population (18.5 million) among the 50 states, only about 1 million fewer people than New York. Georgia is the next most populous SEC state, and it has slightly more than half as many people as Florida (9.8 million).

So what. It's only money!

June 11th, 2010
3:33 pm

Shuffle the deck and play some football!

coach erk russell dog

June 11th, 2010
3:33 pm

Wake up! Coach Richt is not the right coach. He may be a good man, a good Sunday school teacher, but he is not a good coach. Look what Tenn and Kentucky and South Carolina, Vandy, have done to us. Inexcusable! I am sick of losing recruits. I am sick of poor evaluation of recruits we sign. I could go on. We need a motivator, an evaluator. Uga has a great recruiting base. Uga has great facilities. Nothing is in our way except our leadership. Dog Nation unite, stop accepting this mediocre crap. Do what Fla & Alabama have done, get a coach who can make it happen!
At FSU Richt could run any play, any formation, because he always had superior talent. Not so now.

cantondawg

June 11th, 2010
3:35 pm

I cannot imagine any coach at any of the BIg 12 schools wanting to go to the Pac-10. Can you imagine the travel expenses and sheer exhaustion of making so many trips half way across the country to California.

USC

June 11th, 2010
3:35 pm

Texas is never coming to the SEC because it doesn’t do anything for them. The SEC has small TV markets, poor academics ( except for Vandy), and it would make less money. Pac 10 as it exists today has more national championships in all sports than any conference, this is a fact look it up on the NCAA web site.

hahahaha

June 11th, 2010
3:37 pm

“Georgia Tech defensive end Robert Hall has been suspended indefinitely by coach Paul Johnson for what the school termed an “incident” last weekend that resulted in a criminal charge against him.”

Guess that squeeky clean Tech image is gone now. who’s thUGA now?

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
3:38 pm

Delbert D.—

On the other hand, Missouri sure as hell offer a much larger television market than Nebraska. How many people live in Omaha and Lincoln? If I’m not mistaken, I believe about three times as many people live in Missouri and its television markets overlap with Arkansas, Illinois, Iowa and Kansas.

Jerry

June 11th, 2010
3:38 pm

Tony you are such an SEC homer! Texas could give a rip about the SEC. They make more money stand along than the entire SEC.

How about you show a little humility and try to be an honest broker of the truth.

The Turtle does not win the race

June 11th, 2010
3:42 pm

why is the AJC so slow with its reporting? posting that Texas board of regrents article with the possibility that Nebraska may leave for the Big 10 about 15 minutes after they voted to leave the big XII.

You guys really are horrible and should be in the unemployment line. Seriously, this ain’t goverment work, get to typing slackers.

Big Albany Dawg

June 11th, 2010
3:43 pm

How stupid can the Pac-10 really be? By inviting Texas and OK into their league just for the money is like asking for someone to come into your house and eat your food, date your sister and take ownership of the remote. Oh yeah, one last thing…kiss that BCS and Rose Bowl hardware goodbye.

jp

June 11th, 2010
3:45 pm

Enter your comments here

Gatorbait 17-3

June 11th, 2010
3:46 pm

FSU will never join the SEC, they enjoy and have said they like to beat up
ACC teams until recently. They are down now and they wouldn’t want to
hamper their rebound by tryinh to do against SEC defenses. They get all
they want from SEC with Florida every year.

Think outside the box either Univ. of Central Florida ( largest school in Florida by
enrollment) or Univ. of South Florida (who actually beat FSU last year)
have good developing football programs and both in large markets. Clemson would be a match with South Carolina. How about Louisville, Charlie Strong will have that
program playing better than Vandy, UK, and Miss. State very so, if not next year.
I believe Texas A&M would jump at the chance if the Big 12 folds.

simple techster nerd

June 11th, 2010
3:47 pm

you need a little history lesson, SEC never invited Tech back, Auburn and the 2 schools fro Mississippi blocked Techs application. SEC on Decline LMAO . Remind what were the terms of Tech last probation, and what was it for?

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
3:47 pm

Atlanta Gator – With similar academic credentials, maybe this one was about football historical national recognition. Emphasis on historical.

coach erk russell dog

June 11th, 2010
3:48 pm

USC, nobody sees games on the left coast. Most real football fans are sleeping when your games are televised. Also, this crap about academics is a joke. Pac 10 athletes are cut from the same cloth as all other athletes. If they could not run, throw, dribble, shoot, tackle, or whatever, they would never be admitted.

Seriously?

June 11th, 2010
3:48 pm

PAC Tin are a bunch of panty-waisted metro-sexuals. Why would Texas want to be part of that?? Uh, or MAYBE that IS why. If the panties fit, wear ‘em!

dogfan

June 11th, 2010
3:50 pm

Texas A&m to the PAC 10.What a joke. There will be a demonstration against those military boys at every game. Frankly, A&m needs to get out of football.

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
3:52 pm

“like asking for someone to come into your house and eat your food, date your sister and take ownership of the remote.”

But they bring a few hundred thousand friends who will pay their way.

PTC DAWG

June 11th, 2010
3:53 pm

I’ve said it more than once, Clempson adds NOTHING to the SEC. NOTHING.

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
3:56 pm

I think FSU’s historical national image needs a bit of rehab, too.

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
3:57 pm

“I’ve said it more than once, Clempson adds NOTHING to the SEC. NOTHING.”

What about Arkansas, Miss. St. and Mississippi?

shane#1

June 11th, 2010
4:00 pm

Oklahoma should be offered now, along with Houston and Okie St for the SEC West. Houston would jump at the chance to double their revenues and they would put the SEC in a major market. Oklahoma against Alabama and LSU would switch on a lot of tvs, including mine. Okie State brings T Boone’s money! Texas would be the crown jewel of course, but do the Tide and both Tigers really want to have to play Texas every year? VT, Clemson and FSU would be good fits in the East, my nod would be toward VT and FSU because Clemson is a small market and I don’t think SOS wants their biggest rivalry game to be an SEC contest. What about West Virginia as an SEC team? They might open some markets in OH and Penn, along with the DC area to SEC football.

Gatorbait 17-3

June 11th, 2010
4:00 pm

Rank
47 University of Florida Gainesville, FL
2009-2010 In-state: $4,373; Out-of-state: $23,744 51,474 39.5%

Rank
47 University of Texas–Austin Austin, TX
2009-2010 In-state: $8,930; Out-of-state: $30,600 49,984 43.5%

Some one said Texas has higher academics than anyone in the SEC, well as you can see Florida and Texas are tied at 47th in the nation-Vandy is way ahead of both
and UGA is not far behind at #58.

Actually Texas won’t come because they don’t want their a$$ kicked 3-4 times
a year.

Beast from the East

June 11th, 2010
4:03 pm

Atlanta Gator,
Do you think UF would try and stop an invite to FSU or Miami? I have mixed feelings. We already battle them head to head in recruiting but would lose the whole “come play in the SEC” advantage.

jp

June 11th, 2010
4:03 pm

We don’t need no stinking badges!!!

Neki Ecko

June 11th, 2010
4:04 pm

@dogfan

Where did you see that at? Link or it never exist

But if that is the case maybe TAMU didnt want to be on their own and stay with the Texas group. Even after all of that, they cant still beat the SEC.

ryan

June 11th, 2010
4:05 pm

No way the SEC stands pat if the Pac-10 goes to 16.

They won’t allow the PAC-10 to sneak their way into 2 automatic BCS bids.

DP

June 11th, 2010
4:09 pm

I don’t see why the politicians in Texas would be horrified by Texas A&M going to the SEC. It could reopen the spot in a Pac 16 for Baylor that Colorado’s move appeared to close off. Texas would have enough clout with the Pac 10 to pull Baylor in with them, particularly with Oklahoma coming along as well. Texas and Texas A&M could agree to continue their season ending game on a home and home basis as an out of conference game. The state of Texas would have teams in the Pac 16, the SEC and the Mountain West with teams from all those leagues coming into the state every year. (They would also have Conference USA which is barely worth mentioning.)

However, as an SEC partisan I’d rather see the league stay as is rather than bringing Texas A&M into the SEC West and Virginia Tech or FSU into the SEC East. In a 14 team SEC, if they stuck with an 8 game league schedule and kept the existing every year cross division games like Alabama-Tennessee and Auburn-Georgia, teams would only play the rest of the teams in the other division twice every 12 years versus the current 4 times every 10 years. Twice every 12 years for Alabama-Georgia or Florida-Auburn is like not even being in the same conference. They could go to a 9 game schedule to make the cross division games twice every 6 years, but 9 regular season games plus a conference championship game would be brutal and make the chance of getting an undefeated or one loss team to a BCS championship game smaller.

As an Alabama grad/fan, playing Texas A&M every year at the expense of hardly ever playing Georgia, Florida, etc. during the regular season is not a good tradeoff. No offense to Texas A&M.

The SEC doesn’t have huge national TV contracts because it has a lot of major population centers. Nashville is the biggest TV market with an SEC school in it. The tradition, quality of play and rabid fan bases are what has made the SEC into a national brand. Unless the league had been able to add Texas and Oklahoma along with 2 others from the Big 12 I’d rather see it stand pat.

Gatorbait 17-3

June 11th, 2010
4:16 pm

All the SEC should be interested in are quality programs, not just in quantity to
keep up with PAC 16.

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
4:18 pm

With any conference, increasing the level of competition decreases the probability of playing for the conference championship. Be careful what you ask for.

That being said, if you want to be the best, you have to beat the best.

HOwdyDoody

June 11th, 2010
4:18 pm

Texas’ academics are better than the SEC. The Longhorns don’t want to be a part of that culture!

Beast from the East

June 11th, 2010
4:19 pm

Does anyone know if there is a provision in the newly signed television contract that allows for expansion? If not, then you’re talking about a reduced payout to each school if expansion takes place. Can you imagine UGA agreeing to accept less money so GT could get more? UF with FSU or Miami? I’d say that would kill any expansion plans.

aggie94

June 11th, 2010
4:21 pm

A&M leaving tu and the boys is a big risk….fans travel well and rivalries already set. But jumping to a tougher all around league (esp. football) borderlines crazy. Crazy me be just what A&M needs to start anew.

L. Bo

June 11th, 2010
4:23 pm

the Big 12 should turn around and make offers to some Big 10 and PAC 10 schools just to srew with everyone

HOwdyDoody

June 11th, 2010
4:23 pm

A&M will always go with Texas, because the Aggies are the Longhorn’s poodle

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
4:23 pm

DP – It was reported yesterday that UC-Berkley is opposed to Baylor because they are a Baptist school. Not that sounds a bit on the “just a rumor” side, but UC-Berkely’s radicalism is historically significant.

L. Bo

June 11th, 2010
4:25 pm

I think the Longhorns are scared of the SEC.

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
4:25 pm

Beast—-

I don’t think that Florida will block Miami; I don’t believe the other 11 members for the SEC will ever vote to invite Miami.

Florida will never block Florida State. Florida didn’t 20 years ago, and it won’t now. Why would it? It would be to Florida’s advantage to have FSU in the same conference, if not the same division. It would alleviate all sorts of scheduling problems.

Only issue with FSU is I don’t believe that it will accept an SEC invitation if offered. If the ACC started to fall apart, maybe, but the Seminoles have a much clear path to rebuilding their football program, getting major bowl bids and possible BCS championship invitations going through the ACC.

Too bad. Personally, I would like to see FSU in the SEC, and so would most of the people who call the shots in Gainesville.

You can lead Renegade to water, but you can’t make him drink.

Fan

June 11th, 2010
4:26 pm

The Big 10 has 12, and the Big 12 has 10….. Hmmm.

aggie94

June 11th, 2010
4:29 pm

I hate to admitt, but I’m not sure the SEC wants to deal with tu. Big, nasty, rich, arrogant and not afraid to let anyone know how great they are. I guess us Ags can be a little on the loud side too.

Neki Ecko

June 11th, 2010
4:32 pm

It looks ESPN is saying that Texas, TT, Okla, and Okla State will be going to PAC-X. But Texas A&M is still not on board with them and maybe going to SEC with one other team.

SECsick

June 11th, 2010
4:35 pm

Kiffin cant keep his nose clean anyway but now he will have an excuse when their New coaching staff falls flat on their face. Speaking of A and M … They really werent competitive with one of the worst Georgia Teams (defensively ) in the bowl game . Ga hung 44 on em and called off the Dogs so as not to run it up. Texas would be another thorn in your side that would add another to ten team to play. Anyhoosier Lets all scream for some sort of a Playoff……

Fan

June 11th, 2010
4:35 pm

Hide behind your claims the SEC academic standards are beneath you, Texas. Really, it’s ok, run off to Cali and stay the big fish. We know you’re scared to be in a real competitive league.

Gatorbait 17-3

June 11th, 2010
4:35 pm

HOwdyDoody

You are dumb as your name. Texas is ranked behind Vandy and is tied with Florida
academically———see US News & World report, 2009. H*ll, Georgia is only 10 spots behind Tex-ass the Gators. Check you facts before you speak.

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
4:35 pm

Neki Ecko—-

I would take Baylor to get Texas A&M, but I would prefer to get Texas A&M and either Clemson or Virginia Tech.

Here’s a wild card: how about Texas A&M and Missouri? Probably won’t happen, though; I think Mizzou is still headed to the Big Ten (12).

WashingtonDCduck

June 11th, 2010
4:36 pm

SEC will be just fine. I know Oregon is looking forward to having UT, and the rest of the boys in the Big12 south come on board. Sorry Baylor, I was ok with the Waco guys jumping on the train too but you have CAL in Berkely to blame on that one. They fought having Baylor in the conference tooth and nail. Dumb hippies in Berkely.

No way SEC grabs VA-Tech, or FSU/Miami, and even funnier that Houston is mentioned. Quality football programs of course, but why freak out? SEC is just fine. Havent you guys won the last 12 straight titles?

Go Ducks! Can’t wait to tear UT a knew one in Knoxville come 9/11….

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
4:40 pm

ACC fans tend to be on the snotty side about academics, but that shouldn’t be news to anybody. I’d say a majority of fans would rather see Florida State in the SEC. The ACC’s average academic ranking is 48.5, and FSU is included in that at at 102. They would be a better fit with the 90.6 of the SEC (and that doesn’t include Mississippi and Miss. St., who are not ranked (Tier 3)). Florida and FSU would benefit by being able to adjust their OOC schedules.

Gatorbait 17-3

June 11th, 2010
4:40 pm

Atlanta Gator

I disagree with the Gators voting for FSU and Miami joining the SEC.
The Gators use their SEC membership against both school on in state recruiting.

Jake

June 11th, 2010
4:44 pm

NB going to Big 10

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
4:44 pm

WashingtonDCduck – Berkeley hippies how have communal brothers and sisters in the Peoples Republic of Boulder. All is right with the world.

ParkerPounder69

June 11th, 2010
4:45 pm

I really hope to see OU or TX in the SEC. Not sure how that would affect the East, but the East could take Auburn? Ole Miss?

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
4:46 pm

Gator Bait 17-3—-

I tried to post in answer to Howdy Doody, too, but the website ate my post. Damn it.

For the record, Vanderbilt (17th), Florida (47th), Georgia (58th), Auburn (88th) and Alabama (96th) are all ranked ahead of 8 or more members of the proposed new Pac-16:

Texas (47th)
_____
Colorado (77th)
Baylor (80th)
_____
Arizona (102nd)
Oklahoma (102nd)
Washington State (106th)
Oregon (115th)
Arizona State (121st)
Oklahoma State (Tier 3–unranked)
Oregon State (Tier 3–unranked)
Texas Tech (Tier 3–unranked)

BTW, Vanderbilt is ranked ahead of 15 of the 16 members of the proposed new Pac-16, and Florida is ranked ahead of 11 of the new Pac-16 members (Florida’s SATs are higher than those of Texas, and Florida is rated as more competitive than Texas). But never mind; let’s not the facts get in the way of some good smack talk.

shane#1

June 11th, 2010
4:47 pm

Why not Houston, it gets the SEC into Texas with all those great HS athletes and is one hell of a major market. Houston has a chance to play real football for real money and BUILD their program. Recruits that may not want to play at Houston now might love to play against Bama and LSU, and against UF, UGA and UT. IMO, it would be a win-win deal for both sides.

marco

June 11th, 2010
4:48 pm

Texas is the cause for most of these problems. Nebraska stated that they would remain in the Big 12 if there was TV revenue parity conference-wide — Texas vetoed. I think Texas may be the only school in the country more arrogant than ND.

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
4:51 pm

Gatorbait 17-3—-

Florida was the chief advocate for Florida State during the 1990 expansion. The 1990 dream team expansion candidates were Florida State and Texas. Bobby Bowden nixed FSU’s admission, and prominent members of the Texas political establishment blocked Texas unless there was room for Texas A&M, Baylor and potentially other members of the old SWC. Well documented.

The scheduling advantage in having FSU in the SEC would far outweigh any smack talk in recruiting.

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
5:00 pm

The BCS TV contract with ESPN (Rose Bowl not included) goes into effect in 2011 and expires in 2014. By then, assuming there are at least 4 expanded conferences, the BCS may not be extended.

4 conference with 16 teams makes for 64 teams playing for the NC. The nonsense from the NCAA about extended schedules/too many extra games becomes more than nonsense. 8 teams play for their respective conference championships. 4 play in the Final Four. 2 meet for the title. That is one extra game between 2 schools than what the situation is now.

What about the other 60 or so schools? NIT? Bowl games?

More than 4 conferences in the big-time mix makes it difficult, with other layers in the playoffs.

The idiots are bigger in Texas

June 11th, 2010
5:01 pm

Here are some myths that should be cleared up about the Longhorns.

1. THIS ISN’T ABOUT ACADEMICS… IT’S ABOUT MONEY
If Texas really cared about acdemic clout, it would have left the Big XII behind long ago and joined up with the Ivy League. The AAU isn’t the be-all, end-all of an academic institution… just ask Dartmouth.
Texas doesn’t give a rip about academics, they only care about making the most money possible.

2. TEXAS IS CHOCK FULL OF SELF-ENTITLED LITTLE GIRLS
Ever seen the show My Super Sweet 16? That’s what a Texas alumni meeting looks and sounds like. The Longhorns have destroyed two conferences with their excessive demands for unequal television revenue distribution. They’re looking for a conference where they can get the same deal and throw their weight around. The SEC has enough strong-willed and well financed schools that they aren’t likely to cowtow to the prissy little sissies in Austin.

3. TEXAS IS SCARED OF PLAYING IN THE SEC
The Longhorns have gone big with their scheduling lately, especially by booking dates with Ohio State in out of conference games. They aren’t scared of playing the likes of LSU, Alabama, and the like on a week-in, week-out basis. They are scared of opening up the state of Texas to SEC teams. UT’s greatest advantage is its ability to lock down talent-rich Texas. You better believe they don’t want the SEC to get its foot in the door (which is why they’re trying to keep A&M from bolting for the SEC)

Tommy

June 11th, 2010
5:03 pm

I love how GT fans or fans of any other ACC school want to talk about the SEC becoming a dead conference.

Beast from the East

June 11th, 2010
5:04 pm

Atlanta Gator,
I guess I just hate the thought of “allowing” FSU to join our elite fraternity. LOL
I agree that Miami is not a viable option. They just don’t bring anything to the table other than “THE U”. That died years ago. Now they’re just another small private school that is struggling financially in the athletic department. Small alumni base and they do not travel or sell out at home. Again, nothing to bring to the table.

CLEVON LITTLE

June 11th, 2010
5:05 pm

Well Tony, it’s 5:00 & still no deal like you said yesterday….

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
5:07 pm

shane#1 – Houston is Tier 4, and doesn’t fill their stadium now, but that could change with the SEC teams. Their 35,000 enrollment churns out the alumni.

XpatHeel

June 11th, 2010
5:08 pm

Secretins, how does it feel to be punked? Nobody wants to play in your sandbox. The AD’s at VT and Miami have flat out said they are not leaving the ACC. FSU knows its best chance into the BCS party is w/ the ACC and not thru division play in the $ec.
Toby Barnyard…sorry…but Tehass does not need to talk w/ the sec. If they did, they were being kind to the desperate.
Your arrogant, myopic view of the college football world is crumbling before your eyes, and you can’t stand it. Your best play is to do nothing and ask the ACC for a joint venture broadcast alliance. You bring the football viewers; the ACC will bring all the rest. Because let’s face it…you’ve got no academic cred, no ethics cred, no basketball, very little baseball, don’t play much else, women boil water…really an impressive collection of institutions. Without Vandy, and to a lesser degree UF and UGa, and without football, you might as well be a collection of trade schools.

Cunning Stunts

June 11th, 2010
5:26 pm

I wish Texas would come to the SEC so we could beat that a$$ on a regular basis. They are weak. Colt McCoy has female genitals.

Beast from the East

June 11th, 2010
5:26 pm

XpatHeel,
You sound just like a little girl that just saw the prettiest girl at school talk to her boyfriend. Get a grip with the envy. It’s not gonna get him to come back. LOL!!!!!!!!!!

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
5:32 pm

Xpatheel—-

Speaking as an alumnus of both the University of Virginia and the University of Florida, I ask you: “Arrogant much?”

You do realize that Vanderbilt is ranked of 11 of 12 ACC schools, and the University of Florida is ranked ahead of half of the ACC schools, right? And of the six ACC schools ranked ahead of Florida, 3 of them are private institutions less than one-third the size of Florida, right?

Get back to me when North Carolina wins two Division I football championships AND two Division I basketball championships in two years.

XpatHeel

June 11th, 2010
5:33 pm

Beast…
Envy???
Is Swofford running all around like a chicken with his head cut off, dialing for dollars? Slive is desperate. I’d say you secretins are the ones w/ a terminal case of envy.
Read my post. You got zip reason to live, little people.
The ACC will continue to be the conference admired most by everyone who doesn’t flip burgers or scoop out storm drains for a living.

gcs

June 11th, 2010
5:34 pm

Where is NCAA president Mark Emmert in all this madness? Why hasn’t he stepped in and done something, anything?

.

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
5:38 pm

BTW, is that fool Tar Heel still lurking around here?

If so, please let him know that the SEC has won 7 of the last 20 College World Series. How many for the ACC? That’s right: zero.

Punk.

paul mccarthey

June 11th, 2010
5:40 pm

Texas will not come to the SEC because of the poor academics of the schools there.

paul mccarthey

June 11th, 2010
5:41 pm

except for Vandy

jon matrix

June 11th, 2010
5:42 pm

Texas is a much better fit academically with Stanford and USC. I agree it is a better conference for them

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
5:43 pm

Uh-oh, a Heel arguing with a Wahoo…who would have thunk it?

XpatHeel

June 11th, 2010
5:43 pm

ajc, thanks for erasing my reply to the A.Gator.
censorship maybe?
or envy?

Beast from the East

June 11th, 2010
5:46 pm

Xpatheel,
Most of what you wrote is just plain garbage. The SEC has no basketball? Took home 3 NC’s this past decade. Very little baseball? Check out the teams still alive for the World Series. Football is FAR superior to what the Almost College Conference puts out there. I mean Wake Forest was your powerhouse for several years. That’s just sad. The ACC is only admired by the conferences that don’t get an automatic bid to the BCS games.
Not only are you a petty, jealous person, you’re a flat out liar, too.
By the way, I DO NOT want a frappe with that order!

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
5:46 pm

Xpatheel—-

More likely user error.

Dave In Tampa

June 11th, 2010
5:50 pm

Xpatheel
Do go back and read that one post you sent. It makes you sound like a whiny little girl. Why all the hate? You have no proof on your stats about the SEC. all opinions. I guess someone kicked your dog today! Angry little man!

aggie94

June 11th, 2010
5:58 pm

Here we come SEC

aggie94

June 11th, 2010
6:00 pm

Let tu rub shoulders with Stanford and Cal all day. I’ll take the down and dirty South.

aggie94

June 11th, 2010
6:06 pm

Austin American Statesman…tu, ttu, OK, and OK ST to Pac 10 not A&M yet. Baylor out in the cold.

Beast from the East

June 11th, 2010
6:10 pm

Delbert,
You seem to be one of the most well-informed folks on this blog. Do you have any insight to the question I asked on my post at 4:19 pm?

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
6:16 pm

Beast – I read that earlier, and I don’t have an answer. I would be surprised if there aren’t clauses in the contracts to cover changes in the makeup of the conferences, though. That would seem to me to be elementary, but I’m familiar only with other businesses (engineering services contracts), not media companies.

jumbeauxtiger

June 11th, 2010
6:17 pm

gcs,

Emmert doesn’t take office as NCAA President until November.

XpatHeel,

You said the SEC has “very little baseball”. The SEC has 5 teams in the 16 Super Regionals that start today and the defending champ is a SEC school.

You have no credibility on this site as all you are spewing is just your jealousy of the SEC.

This is a football blog. The SEC is superior to the ACC. Any SEC fan with a brain will acknowledge that the ACC is superior to the SEC in basketball.

HugoStiglitz

June 11th, 2010
6:25 pm

Beast from the east, Tony posted in another blog earlier that there is a clause where the SEC could renegotiate its TV contracts if they were to expand.

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
6:27 pm

I believe in free speech, but I wish there was some kind of internet Drano I could use when needed.

Beast from the East

June 11th, 2010
6:28 pm

Delbert,
I heard someone on the radio say that the contract was set in stone and that the payout for each team would be reduced if new teams were added. I want to say I heard it on 680 the Fan. Might have been Chuck and Chernoff’s show, but I’m not sure.
I guess it must not be true or Slive would be wasting his time. There’s no way the schools would agree to less money.

Beast from the East

June 11th, 2010
6:31 pm

Thanks, Hugo. I felt like that had to be the case, but wasn’t sure.
This is all just crazy!!!!!! Sure has created quite a buzz around the entire nation. This country and particularly this region sure does love it’s college football.

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
6:31 pm

AGGIE.. Why do the aggie always say “tu”? It further demonstrates the jealous and insecurity Texas A&M how inferior atm is to Texas. Like being in grade school

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
6:35 pm

Academically Texas is a top 10 business, law and medical school. What they require of other conferences is a higher academic standard of athletic scholarships. As for the SEC having a footprint in the SEC… Is anybody stopping them currently from recruiting in Texas. BY the look at the map… Texas is next to Louisiana. Some players goto LSU to play football. Perhaps, they do not have the academics either.

Yes, academics are important. That is real money. A 100k grant to do research, etc… makes football money look simple

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
6:36 pm

Lets realize that atm is not going to the SEC. They would be crushed in the SEC just as they have been crushed in the big 12. I dont think they have ever played a big 12 conf champ game.

jon matrix

June 11th, 2010
6:37 pm

I agree, that is why A&M is being sent down to the SEC or Conference USA and Texas is being rewarded by being in the same academic league as Stanford, USC and Cal.

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
6:38 pm

atm is talking to the SEC to try to make themselves more powerful as a member of the pac 10 for negotiations. Just as Texas did when talking to the Big 10 conf.

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
6:40 pm

Chuck Oliver tends to be expansive in his remarks. I think he is right in that the contract would require renegotiation. There is probably a base figure plus variables, where the base doesn’t change but the variables can.

Two hypothetical examples:
1) SEC adds Louisville – total potential payout up, per-team ?
2) SEC adds Texas – total potential payout way up, per team ?

The SEC would negotiate for all factors to go up, but the media interest would negotiate for the per-team to go down. In Case 2, I think the SEC wins

CamdenMark

June 11th, 2010
6:41 pm

The talk among SEC folks should be about how to keep anyone from joining,particularly any stinking Texans or those low lifes from Free Shoes U.Don’t want anybody,don’t need anybody.

Neki Ecko

June 11th, 2010
6:41 pm

You know what, I think that if we get Baylor and TAMU, I think that is a better package than Texas/OU, open up the state for recuiting for SEC and Texas doesnt want that, so that is the reason why they ask for Tuesday to announce joining the PAC-XX not today.

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
6:42 pm

Real money is in research grants… So yes football money is driving the alignment but they are not going to jeapardize any future grant money for research. Texas is sitting in a high tech area, petroleum and medical market. Ever heard of MD Anderson hospital. That is Texas and research is key. Would like to get a grant to find a new renewable fuel, etc.. Samsung, Dell, IBM, etc–grants for a faster chip.. That is money…

aggie94

June 11th, 2010
6:45 pm

Yeppie would you rather me call that sorry excuse of a school in austin t-sips, shorthorns or other common terms. Deal with the disrespect, It was intentional. I know about the sips educational prowess, but this forum is about football and the $ it generates. Save me the rankings….the real world demands hard work and most of the time those rankings are meaningless except during wine and cheese parties.

CamdenMark

June 11th, 2010
6:46 pm

Know why the irrelevent Big and PAC 10 want new teams?
They stink,none of them can play FB worth a hoot.
SEC can and dose not need to be stylishly following those idiots fad.

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
6:46 pm

I respect the SEC, but after reading some comments question why?

I am glad the SEC does not want Texas or “dont fix it unless it is broken” That is a good attitude. Same attitude that the GM and Ford mother companies took and Toyota/Lexus cleaned house. Just like the IBM attitude of the past. Dell computer cleaned their house too.

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
6:49 pm

AGGIE… here are some rankings to enjoy.
TEXAS has been in the top 10 for the past 5 years. One a bcs champ game, 2 rose bowl wins, 1 fiesta bowl. Should have played the bcs champ game two years ago if not for a fluke play. Then almost beat alabama.

I do not have the ranking on Texas atm. Ohh they are not ranked..

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
6:49 pm

Nekii Ecko – “open up the state for recuiting for SEC”

That’s logical, but how about hypothetically, Rice joining the SEC?

Johnny Rice Recruiter says, “Come to our school, and play against the best!”
Kid Prospect says, “Yeah, but you’re Rice…”

CamdenMark

June 11th, 2010
6:52 pm

The SEC is an exclusive FB club,don’t want anyone,particularly stinking Texans,thinking they can waltz right in and we’ll roll out the red carpet and drop to our knees to worship.
SEC has always been strong and always will,Thankyou but no,to hell with that just leave us alone.

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
6:52 pm

May want to verify… But the aggies were thrilled to make a bowl game. At which they lost to Georgia. Georgia was in a rebuild year after losing key position players to the NFL.

Neki Ecko

June 11th, 2010
6:56 pm

@aggie94

So if TAMU does come to SEC, so what other team that you would bring with yall from Big XII, besides of Texas and friends? I think TAMU will like SEC alot.

CamdenMark

June 11th, 2010
6:57 pm

That game was not even competative.
Texas/Bama wasn’t even close,Saban felt sorry for ‘em and let up.

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
6:57 pm

“Thankyou but no,to hell with that just leave us alone.”

The memories of 1861 just come flooding back…

aggie94

June 11th, 2010
6:58 pm

It is so hard to understand why the horns aren’t more liked. I’m pretty sure our polo team can beat the longhorns. Maybe if we could use our horses, then we could win a real game in football. haha

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
6:59 pm

Texas does not want anything with the SEC. It is atm trying to break into the SEC. Ironically, SEC offered Texas to join the SEC before the big 12 was formed and the aggies begged Texas to stay with them. Now atm wants to be part of the SEC. This time Texas does not want anything to do with the SEC. No offense by Texas or the SEC toward Texas but that has been verified.

At this time.. The SEC is by far the best football conference. Every team for the most part is very competitive. I wish I could give facts to dispute… Not able.. The SEC as of today is the most talented and competitive conf.

aggie94

June 11th, 2010
7:00 pm

Neki
Baylor would be nice, we could at least have one conference win…

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
7:03 pm

Saban would not let up… He was thinking that if McCoy would not have been hurt the score would have been 17 to 0 in the first quarter. Taking away all emotional ties. If the champ game would have been two tops teams, as a fan of the sport, one has to dislike that a key player gets hurt. Like watching the NBA playoffs. If Michael Jordan could not play it takes some of the enjoyment of just watching the game.

Go Dawgs!

June 11th, 2010
7:04 pm

We should seriously be looking at grabbing Missouri. Getting the St. Louis and Kansas City markets (at least a good chunk of them) would be huge. I’d love to see us add A&M and Mizzou.

Go Dawgs.

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
7:05 pm

However, Alabama did beat Texas. The true freshman QB that replaced McCoy did make an interesting game when he settled in at the end of the 3rd quarter.

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
7:07 pm

The SEC will be looking at the ACC in a couple of years. The scenario with the big 12, big 10 and pac 10 will repeat itself with the SEC, ACC and some Big East teams in the near future.

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
7:16 pm

Go Dawgs – Fayetteville is closer to Columbia, MO than to Nashville, Baton Rouge, and SEC schools further east and south.

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
7:19 pm

I think the ACC proactively invites UConn, Pitt, Syracuse and Rutgers. May not get Rutgers, if the Big Ten acts first.

Go Dawgs!

June 11th, 2010
7:24 pm

Delbert D,

Understood. I’m well aware of the geographical positioning of the different college towns. I think those 2 schools would be terrific additions to our already great conference. I hope you agree. If not, that’s cool too – everyone has a right to an opinion.

Go Dawgs.

JD

June 11th, 2010
7:27 pm

Question: with Nebraska and Colorado changing conferences, what happens to their schedules?. Do they not play for conference championships until their schedules change?

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
7:29 pm

Go Dawgs – I do agree. Missouri would be a very good addition, and it looks like they otherwise are going to be left behind in this. I’ve mentioned several times on blogs that I prefer to watch SEC football, plus key intersectional games. I watch all the Georgia and Georgia Tech games.

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
7:32 pm

All the great rivalry games, too. Texas-Texas A&M, Ohio State-Michigan, Army-Navy and others

bitter edie lee ivory

June 11th, 2010
7:33 pm

gt in the sec north gona woopup on mutts and auburn and bamma every f—king year, i still have one moo year leff so just hand me the f—g football, like ole times. 2012 sec champs GTGTGTGTGT

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
7:33 pm

The state of Texas would love to get rid of the aggies. They have been a liability.
As for the statement of the stinking Texans. Well, we have no desire to be there… Matter of fact we would like to return some the Louisiana people that washed in from Katrina. Crime rate has gone up 20 percent in Houston since they moved in.. More than glad to return them.. Most of them are good people but they sure do like to steal and litter. Great thing about Texas – lot of people of guns.. Can we return those katrina people that will not return…

Okay.. I vented.. Just do not want the SEC people to blame The University Texas for this scenario.

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
7:34 pm

JD – That’s a big question. Tom Osborne wants to start in the Big Ten in 2011. I don’t know what Colorado is going to do.

Go Dawgs!

June 11th, 2010
7:34 pm

Delbert,

One interesting byproduct of all this conference expansion is that the number of conference games is going to go up and thus lead to less intersectional games. Then again, some conference games will basically be intersectional games!

Go Dawgs!

June 11th, 2010
7:37 pm

I heard that Colorado starts in the Pac 10 in academic year 2012-2013. Not sure about Nebraska.

bitter tom osborne

June 11th, 2010
7:38 pm

time to get crooked again, pis– on texas oakla-homo, now its n/w@min@iowa@wiscon all tough teams, champs coing

Go Dawgs!

June 11th, 2010
7:39 pm

Ok, just saw that Nebraska will start in the Big Ten in 2011-2012.

bitter ervin myer/tboothehomo

June 11th, 2010
7:40 pm

hel noo we aint playing no mo teams like gt, hell the secuall to tough now im loosing my fu—–g mind, helphelp

WestOfAthens

June 11th, 2010
7:41 pm

I think this throws everything into chaos

Does it ALWAYS have to be about the money?
Pain is temporary, the virtual truth

WestOfAthens

June 11th, 2010
7:42 pm

The rich get richer…..

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
7:44 pm

Go Dawgs – You’re right about that. Miami and Boston College is a perfect example. Can’t escape the long empty distance from, say, Atlanta to Miami, but fill ins between Maryland and Boston would be nice. Heck, from D.C., you can take Amtrak all the way up to Boston.

Roy Kramer Says

June 11th, 2010
7:49 pm

Check out the thoughts from Roy Kramer – http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=5272309

“Me personally — I think ND athletic director Jack Swarbrick knows it’s in the school’s best interest to join the Big Ten. And if the Big East begins to crumble, I think he has his legitimate reason to join a conference. Meanwhile, if the Big East evaporates, then I think the SEC cherry picks West Virginia and then adds Florida State, Virginia Tech and Georgia Tech from the ACC. And the ACC grabs some of the Big East leftovers.”

I believe Roy is in the know. Evolution is inevitable and this is really exciting. Bottom line is were going to end up with 4 or 5 major conferences. The good part of this is they will have power of the almighty NCAA.

texas dawg

June 11th, 2010
7:50 pm

Let,s see. Everyone has to bow down to tu. god created the earth and heavens first in Austin and than everywhere else. Everyone and everything on earth must follow TexasU and kiss their arse. Remember one thing about and Texas. You can,t spell Texas without taxes and believe me, as a resident in this sh–t hole, the taxes are high and the people are friendly but ignorant.SEC, stay the h–l away from anything in this state.

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
7:51 pm

Fans in the “Turf” Division of the 16-PAC can plan some nice long weekend trips to the coastal areas of the “Surf” Division, except for Washington St. Tony Barnhart is right on that one…Pullman, Washington. The nearest city of any size is Moscow, Idaho

TerryMBArules

June 11th, 2010
7:53 pm

Enter your comments here

jon matrix

June 11th, 2010
7:56 pm

It was an embarassment for UT to have to interact with schools in the Big 12, it would be much more of a step down to join the SEC though. Luckily, we will join our rightful place with Stanford, USC and Cal. Besides the Ivy League, there really isn’t a better association of top schools than the Pac 16.

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
7:56 pm

SEC NATION… please take Texas atm.. They have been a liability. Expect things handed to them.. They want to act all tough and say we want to look at the SEC while everyone is going to the Pac 10. Nobody wants to goto the SEC but only atm.. YET they are BEGGING Texas to continue to schedule to play every year. Boo hoo.. seems like they want to be portrayed as the big contender in Texas but at the same time beg Texas again to keep them scheduled. Go away atm.. While we are at it…

Neki Ecko

June 11th, 2010
7:59 pm

Those Fans from “Turf” Divison would probably be looking at it on their new TV station because they dont have the money to take those trips all the time and still get their butt kicked by SEC.

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
8:02 pm

You know… I think Texas will enjoy the Pac 10 conference. As the money flows in with new contracts. Plus once a year goto to a road game in CA or Colorado. Play golf in Arizona. Not all bad.. Imagine a road game in Tuscaloosa (sp?)Alabama… hmmmm.. No that is not attractive. Pac 10 is much more attractive. Would be nice to get rid of the aggies too. They just will not stop riding the University of Texas coat tails. Begging Texas to scheudule them every year if they goto the SEC. Go,,… but cut the strings..

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
8:03 pm

I read Kramer’s interview last night, and I pulled some info from it. I think he is wrong on the way it’s going to evolve. 4 of those schools in the Big East are perfect fits for the ACC as it is currently constituted. The ones not picked by the ACC or Big Ten will be scrambling, including West Virginia and Louisville, which could be good neighbors for the northern SEC teams.

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
8:04 pm

Yes.. like their are a lot of direct flights landing in athens, tuscaloosa or knoxville. It cost too much to fly into Nashville or Atlanta then parachute in for the game.

steve

June 11th, 2010
8:05 pm

What is the process for taking back the Heisman Trophy from Reggie Bush?

Jim Barnes

June 11th, 2010
8:07 pm

As a college football fan (Iowa Hawkeyes), I get a real kick out of your columns. It is always interesting to get a perspective from someone in a different region. I can tell you have watched Casablanca.

Roy Kramer Says

June 11th, 2010
8:07 pm

Delbert D. — good thoughts on WV and Louisville. I think the only thing we all can agree on is that nobody knows where all the pieces will fall. What I hope is that when all the dusk clears, we end up with a playoff system facilitated by the big boy conferences that gives us a true on the field Natl Champion.

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
8:08 pm

The aggies from College Station would be great for the SEC… They would add such value. In college station….. “The men are men and the sheep run scared”
The discussion is not about Texas by itself it is expansion based upon Texas decision that will lend to future actions of the SEC.

TerryMBArules

June 11th, 2010
8:10 pm

It would be great to travel to Austin for game between UGA and Texas. Austin is the best city to live in in this country (educated; outdoor; barbeque; music; scenery; Texas Hill Country; San Antonio (just miles down the road); Capital of Texas Highway; and so much more. I live near there years ago and miss it greatly. Liked it so much my boys names are Walker and Baylor.

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
8:11 pm

jon matrix – Plus UCLA. However, there are Arizona State, Washing State and especially, Oregon State, which is a Tier 3 school. But 6 in the top 42 in the rankings, plus Washington, is really impressive.

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
8:14 pm

TerryMBARule..
The drive on hwy 281 from Austin to San Antonio is one of a kind. The hill country with the spring fed rivers. Guadalupe river… That is a beautiful river.

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
8:15 pm

Not only the BBQ… but the Tex-Mex food too…

DP

June 11th, 2010
8:16 pm

Yeppie, I guess it depends what you and the rest of the Texas fans are looking for. But going into Tucson or Tempe or Boulder for a casual game against a mediocre team and then doing some sightseeing or playing some golf probably is more attractive than going to Tuscaloosa, tailgating and then getting your a$$es kicked in front of over 100,000.

Congratulations on wrecking 2 conferences.

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
8:18 pm

I’ve been only to Dallas and Houston, and I never got off concrete or asphalt on those trips. What’s the fire ant situation? Is that overblown?

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
8:22 pm

Sounds like the SEC are upset that Texas is going to the Pac 10. Why… The only effect it has on the SEC is the domino effect that eventually the SEC will have to take in some ACC and/or Big East teams..

Ray Goof

June 11th, 2010
8:23 pm

Texas wants no part of the SEC…..Bama showed them what a real conference with REAL defenses are all about…Colt McCoy got a boo-boo and couldn’t play in the biggest game of his life….

Neki Ecko

June 11th, 2010
8:26 pm

@Yeppie

What do you mean about “The discussion is not about Texas by itself it is expansion based upon Texas decision that will lend to future actions of the SEC.” I know that Texas is trying to bring TAMU with them so SEC wont get any foothold into the State of Texas when it comes down to recruiting and maybe getting more money than them.

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
8:29 pm

Delbert
Fire ant thing is overblown. The most attractive area in Texas is Central Texas. Ausin surrounding area. The Hill country with creeks and rivers fed by spring water. The westerns showing David Crockett riding a horse in a desert is BS. Huge live oaks, small mountains, rivers, lakes, etc…. Austin is one the best cities to live reside. It is a high tech, medical, etc economy.. Minimal pollution.. Rather expensive area to live. VERY EXPENSIVE TO live in the Austin and surrounding area. People get float down the guadalupe river during the summer. As the water temperature is about 70 degrees.. It is spring fed so the water is cold.

TerryMBArules

June 11th, 2010
8:30 pm

Yeppie. No kidding. I’m a Georgia native (born Macon ‘66) and love this state. However, I spent 6 glorious years as a college administrator (private university in Texas) and came to really appreciate Austin, Texas and The Texas Hill Country. For those who haven’t been there, think of Athens (in the hills) x 1M people. There you are brother! Athens is a super college town! Austin is a super college city!

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
8:34 pm

Texas is going with or without atm.. Does not matter to Texas. As far as recruiting. I think the SEC has a lot of Texas players. Look at the LSU roster. Look at the Alabama roster. Can not sign all the Texas players. Texas has some SEC area recruits too. atm needs to grow up and stop riding the coat tails of Texas. atm wants to look at the SEC,, yet they want Texas to continue to schedule every year. Boo hoo.. They need to grow up.. The top recruits in Texas goto UT,Then the other generally goto Okalahoma, LSU or atm.

Cannot sign everybody.. Unless you are USC. They pay the players…

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
8:36 pm

Where do Iowa State and Kansas go? Those are 2 good schools (overlooking the antics of that obese semi-human coach that the JayHawks finally dumped after last year.) Boise State going to the Mountain West was smart. Utah should follow them. Can Conference USA survive? This is going to resemble a big unemployment-like mess.

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
8:38 pm

I’d like to see the Hill Country area and Austin. Thinking about a drive to Denver this year, and maybe I’ll swing south.

TerryMBArules

June 11th, 2010
8:39 pm

At the end of the day, though, I believe Texas will end up in PAC 10. Would love to host the Horns ‘tween the Hedges but I don’t think it will happen. Academically, UT Austin has huge endowment ($8B…thanks oil guys) spending per student and 55,000 students. Here we come Rodeo drive!

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
8:41 pm

TerryMBArules
Sounds nice. I think Northern Georgia, Tennessee and Carolinas are amazing. Such an attractive area to visit. I visited the campus of North Carolina and it was one of the best designed campus settings. The cumberland mountain areas are some of the best mountains.

TerryMBArules

June 11th, 2010
8:42 pm

Delbert D. Check out Rudy’s BBQ while in Texas (San Antonio (north of 1604 Loop / George Strait county / near Texas Six Flags) and you could scoot over to Austin from there. Highway 46 through LBJ country (former US President) to Austin…priceless. Must have Mustang GT convertible and Pat Green on radio to top it off.

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
8:45 pm

Delbert..
The hill country in Texas is amazing. During the spring the wildflowers, farmer markets (HAVE TO Do the local Fredericksburg PEACHES in late spring early summer. At night it cools off and the humidity is less. Then grab some BBQ or Tex-Mex food with homemade sals and chips.

TerryMBArules

June 11th, 2010
8:47 pm

Yeppie. Agreed. GA/NC/TN are treasures, too. But, what I really like about Texas is you feel like you have “elbow room” in that state. Of course, it’s big. Traffic flows, unlike ATL, are much better, considering highway access roads and so forth. Sounds like great civil engineering. I’ll never forget driving north of San Antonio, town called Boerne (German Texas Hill Country town), with my 1 year old son in back of my Grand Cherokee (he wouldn’t sleep at night so I took him riding through Hill Country right before sun set). We’d see hundreds of deer literally. Walker (my son) got a big kick out of that. I miss that indeed.

reader

June 11th, 2010
8:48 pm

“Seperately”? Ouch. Sports writers, ha!

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
8:48 pm

TerryMBArules & Yeppie – I copied all that to my hard drive, thanks.

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
8:49 pm

Dont FORGET about the German food too. New Braunfels, Fredericksburg, etc… Eat all the BBQ you can. The saltlick, Rudy as mentioned and if you find a small local family restaurant-Try the chicken fried steck.

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
8:51 pm

ALSO, the German food in New Braunfels and Fredericksburg… Eat all the BBQ.. Rudy as mentioned and the saltlick… Then find a small family operated restaurant and try the Chicken Fried Steck with peach or dew berry cobbler.

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
8:53 pm

Just in from ESPN.com -

“LINCOLN, Neb. — So long, Big 12. Nebraska’s membership in the Big Ten Conference is official.

“The Big Ten’s board of presidents and chancellors unanimously welcomed Nebraska to the club on Friday, just a few hours after the school formally disclosed its interest. The move takes effect July 1, 2011.

“Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany said he presumed there would be a Big Ten championship football game beginning in 2011. He also said the conference would “pause” from further expansion over the next 12 to 18 months. He declined to comment on whether Notre Dame or any other school was on the league’s radar.”

Those are cuts from the article.

SteerPower

June 11th, 2010
8:54 pm

The only two real things that the SEC has to worry about: 1) entrance standards for athletes…I understand that if they can get a 70% in spelling (the University’s name), they are entered 2) The NCAA inspectors start sniffing around and wonder how those ghetto guys can afford those expensive cars and seem to always have pocket money.

TerryMBArules

June 11th, 2010
8:58 pm

Man…I’m hungry. Brisket; smoked turkey; sausage; pickles; a cold one (of course, Shiner Blonde); Stevie Ray Vaughn on the box; and a football game with Ron Franklin (7:30PM ESPN HD) on tube and I’m in heaven bro!

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
9:00 pm

TeryMBArules.
I have a ranch outside of Boerne. Lots of deer. Boerne and Bulverde area has grown greatly in size. Still very serene area.

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
9:03 pm

TerryMBArules,
I am in Austin this week and went to 6th street to watch the college baseball at a local bar. It was so nice. The appetizer was a ribs and side of queso with salsa.. of course a shot of whisky with a beer.
Texas lost the first game to TCU.. It is the best of a 3 game series. Hopefully they will win tomorrow and Sunday so that the Longhorns will play in the college world series in Omaha.

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
9:04 pm

Shiner Bock for me…discovered it in Houston, it’s here in Georgia, now.

TerryMBArules

June 11th, 2010
9:05 pm

When can I come stay (YO Ranch, Camp Stewart for Boys (north of Kerrville), Gruene (Guadalupe), Schlitterbahn, etc.? I’ll pay. Walker and Baylor (my boys) would love to go back. Hop flight out of Birmingham (AL), Southwest naturally, and fly into SA Int’l airport and head north on 281 toward the Anderson Loop. Of course, need to stop on Boerne Stage Road (Rudy’s BBQ – Slogan “The Worst BBQ in Texas”) to pick up slices of brisket and then head to your place. A little Robert Earl Keen on radio would be nice for drive.

Simply All American Brother!

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
9:09 pm

I am a 7th generation Texan. The ranch was formed when my great, ggg grandfather was in the Texas army lead by General Sam Houston defeated the Santa Anna for Texas Independence.

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
9:11 pm

After the war “then the country of Texas” provided land grants to militia for fighting in the war. Glad he was not at the Alamo.

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
9:13 pm

Dang! Think I’ll put some air in the tires of the Ranger and head on out to Texas. I’ll just call my wife from the cell phone and tell her I’m going to be up in the mountains fishing for a week or so, or something.

bill_in_atl

June 11th, 2010
9:23 pm

I lived in Texas for a while. It was okay I guess, but frankly the talk on here is a little silly. Tex-Mex food sucks. I’ve eaten at plenty of nice places and I don’t care how “cool” the place is. It’s junk and Shiner is average beer. There are in fact plenty of nice steakhouses, but honestly you can find those anywhere and who wants a steak every night?

The Hill Country is okay, but it’s far from my idea of a paradise. Clearly it’s nothing like Midland or other desolate spots, but it’s nothing to write home about…or blather about on a football blog about conference alignments.

If Texas thinks they can handle the SEC and the money works for all parties, then come on over. If not go to the PAC where travel will be brutal but wins will come easier. If A&M wants to come, that’s fine too. Other than OU I’d hate to see any more Big 12 schools under consideration.

I like Mizzou and think they are a nice program, but they REALLY ought to go to the Big Ten.

All the smug Texas fans should go home at this point. You’re 100% sure that you’re not coming to the SEC. You’re better than us and NOGAS what you think about your wonderful state.

steven chappelle

June 11th, 2010
9:23 pm

The ego on you Texas guys…most of my SEC friends and I do NOT even want Texas in the SEC. We don’t want them to have the prestige. Go to the PAC10 and be smug about your GPAs…Auburn’s turned out what, NINE Astronauts!!!??? And isn’t Colorado the only school in the country to lose academic related schollys??? And to which conference did they go?!
You’ll still be a 2nd rate football conference…learn it, love it, live it!

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
9:29 pm

You SEC fans.. You all think Texas want to go to the SEC… Texas does not want anything to do with the SEC.. Pac -10 will have better revenue as the TV contracts are negotiated. No offense but Texas does not want to even dance in the SEC. Please do not say that Texas is scarred.. Rather smart because the future is with the Pac 10. Only atm wants the SEC… reminder.. atm has not even played in a big 12 champ game. You all will crush atm just like Texas and Oklahoma have been doing since the Big 12 was formed.

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
9:32 pm

Bill N ATlanta.
Have you ever had true homemade TexMex.. Not some casa ole junk. Then have a beautiful spanish lady bring you the food with a margarita or cerveza. A spanish lady that looks like Eva Langoria..

PowerDawg

June 11th, 2010
9:32 pm

Would someone please tell that idiot “Simple Techster”, with special emphasis on SIMPLE, that the SEC will get whomever they choose IF they decide to choose.

Tech just better pray that their little CS school doesn’t get drafted because they will never win more than 3 or 4 games a year if it happens.

The “Joke by the Coke” will become the “Choke in the Poke”!

BwwwaaaaaaaaaaaHahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
9:35 pm

The only connection the SEC has to Texas is the domino effect. If or when Texas joins the Pac 10… That will force the SEC to consider expansion. Why the SEC was not proactive in getting better markets this year is a question. No doubt that pac 10 will get the large tv revenue that media will budget.

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
9:38 pm

The SEC when it decides to expand will not have any problems getting there targeted teams. Granted academics is not factored. Big money in grants for research… makes football money minimum. I think the SEC will reach out to NC and VT first.???

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
9:39 pm

DELBERT
Search on the internet. Just put in Texas hill country and look at the pics.. You will be amazed…

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
9:39 pm

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
9:44 pm

peace..and good evening to all ravid college fans…

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
9:45 pm

I think Tony Barnhart was the one guy that really wanted Texas to move to the SEC. He’s “Mr. SEC.” In his mind, they would be under his supervision.

GoDOGS1

June 11th, 2010
9:50 pm

The SEC is the premier, elite conference in all NCAA sports…always challenging to be the king or queen EVERY year in almost every sport. We have the money, we have the resources, the fan base, the match ups for TV on and on…..there is absolutely no conference that comes close to the output of SEC….right now. We shall see what happens, but my bet is on the SEC.

PowerDawg

June 11th, 2010
9:51 pm

Nope-
Even though the gayters will pi$$ and moan about it, FSU and Miami will be the first targets.
They will be followed by Clemson and Virginia.

Don’t over-think this stuff.

None of the schools from NC will be offered, especially Duke. We have our token “braniac” school in Vandy. Duke wants to stay in a B-Ball conference like the ACC, although it could wind up in the Big East if the ACC all but dismantles itself when the smoke clears. Same with UNC and Wake.

It’s just a mathematical equation when all is said and done.

Texas born Texas raised

June 11th, 2010
9:55 pm

Living in the Atl and being a Texas fan would be great if they joined the SEC. It’s about TV dollars. All of the acc schools have teams in the SEC market. IT would be better for the SEC to pick up the great state of Texas. Texas really does not need a conf. The money flows for the school in every sport. And they travel too.

bill_in_atl

June 11th, 2010
9:58 pm

Spanish? You’re confused Yeppie. The ladies are Mexican. No offense to Mexicans but it’s not the same thing…or even close. My wife is from South America and I’ve been all over Latin America. The Latins all detest the fact that they get lumped in the Tejanos.

As for homemade Tex-Mex, of course I’ve had it. And I’ve been to the best restaurants. It’s okay if you get good quality, but it’s really nothing special. (I think the same thing about Cajun food so don’t take it personal.) I’d just rather have true Latin, Italian, French or Mediterranean food.

Again I’d be happy for Texas to come, but I’d prefer they come sans the arrogance. May not be possible.

KZ LARRY

June 11th, 2010
10:04 pm

Why are academics even being considered in this discussion? It’s about money, and then money and finally money. (with a side of power and a sprinkling of competition) The SEC, ACC, BIG & PAC 10, 12, 14, 16 nor the NCAA are concerned about the academics no matter how many PSAs they run to the contrary. If the BIG TEN was ever concerned about academics, why would they run with 11 teams for almost 20 years while still calling themselves the BIG TEN. They can’t count!

Arche in SC

June 11th, 2010
10:08 pm

The best argument the Texas A&M AD or Coach Stallings could make to the Board of Regents for joining the SEC: “Gentlemen, do you really want to see our band in the same stadium with the Stanford Band???” Matter and anit-matter coming into contact – oblivion for all of us – or at the very least a mass seizure.

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
10:10 pm

Bill in Atl.. Your right.. Correction. Mexican.. There is Mexican north and mexican south.. Generally Monterry Mexico is the south which is Spain/Spainard-euro and mexican mix. Beautiful people. Very genuine.

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
10:11 pm

KZ Larry:
With the Big 10 adding Nebraska.. WILL THEY CALL THEMSELVES–BIG 12??
haha
Okay.. Peace to all..have a good weekend.

Yeppie is a doofus

June 11th, 2010
10:12 pm

@ Yeppie, do you really think that grant money hinges on what conference your school plays football in?

In the modern world of collegiate athletics, athletic departments and universities are connected in name only. The Texas athletic department is a separate entity from the actual University of Texas. They’re revenue streams are completely unique. Revenue made by the Texas athletic department do not get funneled to the University and money brought in by the university doesn’t go towards the athletics department.

Conference expansion is about money. Football money. No one gives a flip what athletic conference a school is in when it comes to doling out academic research grants.

I’ll repeat this again… ACADEMIC RESEARCH GRANTS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR FOOTBALL AFFILIATION.

Take it from an actual college professor that has secured a number of grants. If you don’t think this is about football money, then you’re an ignoramus.

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
10:20 pm

DOOFUS– Take that from a person that actually pays your bill in the fomrs of grants. Does THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM PAY YOUR SALARY… NO.. I bet grants with state funding DO….. IGNORANT>>>>

CamdenMark

June 11th, 2010
10:25 pm

Texas Dawg sound very wise and well informed from exp.
No stinking Texacans in the SEC.
Eveybody stay away,you’ll never hold a candle to the shadow of the great SEC.
Go Dawgs,Go Gators,Go Bama,etc
4am going fishing,good nite,go away.

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
10:29 pm

DOOFUS PROFESSOR.. DONT BE AN INGNORANT PROFESSOR WITH NO REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE..

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
10:31 pm

OUTSIDE OF FOOTBALL REVENUE HOW DOES A UNIVERSITY MAKE MONEY.. TUITION, TAXES, GRANTS… IF YOU HAD A MEDICAL COMPANY AND NEEDED RESEARCH YOU WOULD GOTO AN ACADEMIC SCHOOL WITH PRESTIGE.. OBVIOUSLY NOT WHERE YOU TEACH..

Yeppie

June 11th, 2010
10:33 pm

DOOFUS PROFESSOR- Welcome to the real world of corporate dollars and funding. Let me remind you too.. Do you not thing the university hospitals are not funded by grants to do research… WHAT AN IGNORANT, pious person.. TRy the real world not a classroom..

CamdenMark

June 11th, 2010
10:35 pm

Vast numbers of collage profs are commie leftests.
collages nowa days are only good for FB(SA’s excepted).
Now good nite.

D

June 11th, 2010
10:35 pm

Why can’t UT just keep their academics at a higher level than the other schools and join the SEC? I understand that, from a competion standpoint, it would seemingly put them at a disadvantage…but This Is TEXAS. Long run, I don’t think it will matter that much. Plus, we’d have natural (LSU) and renewed (Arkansas) rivalries.

The SEC should just extend offers to UT, A&M, OSU and OU in a very public way. Perhaps they could even make a concession with respect to academic standards to get UT onboard.

It’s the only thing that makes sense logistically (look at a map of the U.S.) and could you imagine the money making machine that the new 16 team SEC would become? It would crush every other conference in college sports. Period.

From a fan standpoint: I’m active duty military and I would travel halfway around the globe to see some of the regular season match-ups that this would create.
Just imagine what the conference would look like: SEC East – UF, UGA, UK, USC, UT (the other one), Vandy, Bama and Auburn.

SEC West – Arkansas, LSU, MSU, UM, OSU, OU, A&M and UT (the real deal).
If there is any justice in the world, this will happen. Then, we will no longer have the need for a playoff push. All football matters pertaining to a real champion will unquestionably be decided on the field…in a single conference.

Professor living in fantasy land

June 11th, 2010
10:38 pm

Next time you get a pay check for your ignorant checkmark.. Ask where did the money come derive to pay for your ignorance. BUSINESS advanced.. People like myself actually have to pay your bills.. Since education is not your expertise will stay with the Stanfords or Accrediated institutions.. Real world

Professor living in fantasy land

June 11th, 2010
10:40 pm

Not worth explaining how this all factors.. It would go right over the Professor head… Not in the a book so it does not EXIST.. NEED TO GET A CAREER IN THE REAL WORLD

Professor living in fantasy land

June 11th, 2010
10:42 pm

oh and professor.. What if your company was a Computer company and you wanted the money to stay with your alumni or conference affiliation.. WEll… ??? But you THINK IT DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH CONFERENCE…. THAT IS HOW THE REAL WORLD WORKS…. not worth trying to explain to professor… got to gilligans Island..

XpatHeel

June 11th, 2010
10:46 pm

GoDOGS1

June 11th, 2010
9:50 pm
The SEC is the premier, elite conference in all NCAA sports…always challenging to be the king or queen EVERY year in almost every sport. We have the money, we have the resources, the fan base, the match ups for TV on and on…..there is absolutely no conference that comes close to the output of SEC….right now. We shall see what happens, but my bet is on the SEC.

Somebody print this and offer it, matted and framed to all the Secretins in the world. This says it all.

What a POV!!! And you wonder why nobody is returning Slive’s calls.

Post after post whining about why the Tesass teams won’t pay you any attention. Post after post hoping and praying you can pull a few ACC teams into your academically challenged conference.
Give it up gang. The ADs from VT, Md., and the Prez of Miami have stated publically they’re not leaving the ACC. GT wants none of what you’re selling. Your only prayer of getting an ACC team are the bumkins in orange up I-85. Their fanbase would love it. Their Admins would jump in their lake if it had water in it.
The sec is going nowhere w/ expansion. Post till your thumbs fall off. The ACC isn’t going anywhere either. They don’t need to.

YEEPEE

June 11th, 2010
10:48 pm

I hope that brings some reality to your stupid professor. A book is not real world. Learn how money is derived. It changes name but it comes from a source. Go read you comic book with your flashlight and live in your fantasy world. No patience for ignorant BS. Next time you get a pay check ask yourself where did the money come from then ask where did that money come from… Hello… That is reality knocking.

CamdenMark

June 11th, 2010
10:53 pm

Don’t think Vermont wants in xpathel,dumbass kids know nothing

YEEPEE

June 11th, 2010
11:01 pm

Yeepee is doofus/Yeepee is a Wise MAN. PROFESSOR trying to be clever.
Here is another realtiy for you.. If you are going in for a heart transplant do ever wonder where your doc got his education. He may have attended the school you teach so you will worry because research and conference do not matter. Because standards were lowered so he has no knowledge or credibilty. I bet you did not teach that in a book. If you were writing a research paper would you take more interest in a paper from Duke, UT, Stanford versus the obvious ingnorant school you teach at?? They lowered the academic standards so they would fit a conference. GIVE me a break.. it is a factor in conf alignment.

YEEPEE

June 11th, 2010
11:03 pm

SORRY TO ALL OTHER BLOGGERS LOG ONTO THE WEBSITE.. Just cannot believe the ignorance of some people…

XpatHeel

June 11th, 2010
11:10 pm

CamdenMark, VT = Virginia Tech There, I spelled it out for you.

Or do you know something I don’t about the upper end of I-75? Does it end up near the Vermont campus? Gee. Wouldn’t that be just ducky.

Meanwhile, the secretins are still banging the phones.

XpatHeel

June 11th, 2010
11:16 pm

psssst, YEEPEE…..Just trying to help you out here.

Don’t end a sentence with a preposition. Looks like you took Eng. at one of those secretin schools. Try “where you teach.”

YEEPEE

June 11th, 2010
11:18 pm

Nice try professor… Yeepee is a doofus?? YOU Were wrong. YEEPEE is very credible and WISe. Need to goto a real business school and learn cash flow in the real world. Money is spent wisely to credible schools. Not to schools that lower academics to join a conference. It is called the best ROI.. Go learn what ROI means ignorant turd.

YEEPEE

June 11th, 2010
11:19 pm

Thanks XpatHeel
I am typing to fast.. Things for having my back on grammer. Needless to say I did not proof read. Thanks again.

Jaxdawg

June 11th, 2010
11:33 pm

I don’t know where to start on this issue of expansion. I simply have a bad feeling about it!

XpatHeel

June 11th, 2010
11:39 pm

YEEPEE, probably best you and I both hit the sack. Give your keyboard time to cool down. The secretins are all buzzed out by now and those who haven’t passed out from too many PBRs and pickled eggs have marginable reading comprehension. And the rest are busy on the phone-a-thon trying to find some trade school who might want to fill in as UTx in drag.

cantondawg

June 12th, 2010
12:44 am

Personally, i think Clemson and Texas AM would be great fits for the SEC. If we go to 16, then add Florida State and Virginia Tech

braves70

June 12th, 2010
1:47 am

Fun to read everyone’s comments here. I have been on several web sites reading fans comments in the past 24 hours. From what I see, there is a major rift that has grown between Texas and A&M. The eggheads in Austin want no part of what they see as us ignorant hillbillies in SEC land. The A&M people want no part of the left wing la-la Pac 16. Looks like Texas will go to the Pac 16 and A&M will try to get into the SEC.

As to a second SEC team to add, I am hearing lots of talk that Maryland might be the other team. That would give the SEC the DC & Baltimore TV markets.

Lanny

June 12th, 2010
6:36 am

If Texas joins the SEC, get ready for the SEC Championship game to be played at the new behemoth Cowboys Stadium….

NikkiFree

June 12th, 2010
6:47 am

Good stuff, Tony!!! I have a couple of questions:

How many teams will have to leave the Big East before the commish over there officially declares it a “no football” conference/ How soon could the BCS Bowls be affected by these realignments?

The Prof returns

June 12th, 2010
6:59 am

As far as “lowering academic standards.” You’re incorrectly assuming that it means lowering them across the board, when that clearly isn’t true. In fact, admissions standards have risen dramatically at the University of Georgia and the University of Florida over the past decade.

The only people that admission standards are “lowered” for are the student athletes. We all know it happens, and it happens places outside the SEC. Texas had the brilliant Vince Young, who scored a 6 out of 50 on the Wonderlic reasoning test. Lord knows how many numbers were fudged to bring players in to USC (a very good academic institution). Even Georgia Tech, the bastion on academic integrity they claim to be, has allowed in swaths of students they wouldn’t normally consider because they can throw a football.

My point is, Vanderbilt’s professors are not hurting for grant money because their team plays in the SEC. The same can be said for Georgia, Florida, and Auburn. The Rhodes Scholar committee hasn’t been turning down applicants from SEC schools (UGA had 2 in 2008).

Are Mississippi State, Kentucky, Arkansas, Ole Miss, and LSU less than stellar academically? Yes, they’re all a bunch of cow colleges… but to allege that they prevent schools from garnering academic research dollars is an ignorant claim.

My claim was that a football conference has nothing to do with academic prestige. I stand by that claim. Why do people think highly of Texas’ academics despite the fact its in the Big XII? Because Texas is a good academic school. No one would think Texas got any dumber by joining the SEC.

As far as me working in the real world? What’s with all the animosity towards academia. I don’t have my nose in some fartsy Shakespearean novel all day. But, who is going to train the next generation of architects and engineers to make sure your house doesn’t collapse on itself? Who teaches a heart surgeon how to perform your life saving transplant? Don’t lump us all in the same boat.

Professors do a lot more than read the Communist Manifesto. In fact, a professor from right down the road at UGA was the one that discovered the underwater oil plumes being caused by the BP spill.

I like Texas, I love Austin. As a music lover, it’s one of my favorite places to visit. I think it would fit right in alongside Oxford and Athens as far as great college towns go. Musically the SEC would have Austin, Memphis, Nashville, Atlanta, and Athens… I’d say that blows LA right out of the water entertainment wise.

My point of contention is that people (Yeppie) need to quit saying these moves are about academics.

poopdawg

June 12th, 2010
7:07 am

I’m sick of the conference expansion talk, and were probably just getting started. Until we get to a 16 team playoff with no conference champions guarenteed a playoff spot, will we have a true champion. Only player representives vote (2 from each div 1 school.)

SEC FAN

June 12th, 2010
7:07 am

Xpatheel,

I saw your post earlier where you were ridiculing sec sports and sec baseball in particular. How dumb are you? The sec has won 7 of the past 20 world series while the ACC has won zero of the last 20 world series. Look at this year. Of the 16 super regional teams 5 are from the sec. And Bama just eliminated acc team georgia tech a few days ago. You are quite the idiot.

[...] Texas must listen to what the SEC has to say. Texas and Texas A&M officials met on Thursday in a attempt to salvage the Big 12. They didn’t find a way. That could certainly still be done by bringing on TCU and another worthy school. But I talked to several people last night who said there is a rift developing between Texas and Texas A&M over where to go if the Big 12 breaks up. Texas A&M athletics director Bill Byrne wants to listen to the SEC. Former Alabama coach Gene Stallings, who lives in the area, is a member of the Texas A&M Board of Regents and tells Byrne that the SEC will be a much better fit for the Aggies. There is a potential deal breaker out there for Texas and the Pac-10. Texas athletics director DeLoss Dodds has long talked about setting up the Longhorns’ own television network. The Pac-10 financial model would not allow for that. The SEC will point out that in their league, schools are allowed to have their own networks and to keep the money they make. [More] [...]

Scott

June 12th, 2010
7:30 am

Texas A&M and Oklahoma are better fits in the SEC than the Pac 10. My bet is if these two schools broke with Texas (if Texas is determined to go west) and joined the SEC that the days of Texas dominating recruiting in their home state are over. In state athletes would rather play schools in the SEC than go to Pullman, WA to play football games.

fair and Balanced

June 12th, 2010
7:45 am

I’m against any expansion. There is no reason for this.

R.U.KIDDEN-ME???

June 12th, 2010
7:53 am

texas WILL NOT JOIN THE SEC B/C THEY ARE “SKEERED” OF TRUE COMPETITION,PERIOD!!! IT’S NOT ABOUT ACADEMIC’S,IT’S ABOUT BEING IN THE “BIG GAME” EVERY YEAR & CONTROLING THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY CAN GET!!! WHAT THEY LEARNED THIS BACK IN JANUARY WHEN BAMA DISPOSED THEM OF & THIER (candy azz qb)IS,THAT THIS IS A EVERY WEEK THING IN THE SEC!! NO,THEY WANT TO BE “KING OF THE HILL”,SO THEY’LL TAKE A MUCH EASIER ROUTE THAN THE SEC!!!

ryan

June 12th, 2010
8:06 am

Big Ten goes to 16
Pac Ten goes to 16
SEC goes to 16
ACC goes to 16

That’s 64 teams.

Pac 16 plays Big 16 in the Rose Bowl/Fiesta Bowl, alternating years
SEC plays the ACC in the Sugar Bowl/Orange Bowl. alternating years

Host a Plus One game after the bowls.

More than likely, you’ll get the PAC 16/BIG 16 winner against the SEC/ACC winner.

Voila! A 64 team “playoff” every year.

Oh, and we don’t need A&M or anyone from the ACC. Take West Virginia and Louisville from the Big East and Memphis and Houston from C-USA. Basketball gets crazy good, you stay “southeastern” and you get a Texas school.

GoDOGS1

June 12th, 2010
8:09 am

XpatHeel – That is correct that “it says it all”. Look it up,bro’ and get back to me. In EVERY single sport, both men’s and women’s, you will see a SEC school competing in the finals, and usually in the final game. You don’t know college sports too well, do you?

RTRoll

June 12th, 2010
8:16 am

Ahhhhhh XpatHeel,

Poor little A-She-She pompous wench didn’t even get asked to dance, eh? Now go pull the but plug outta your mouth so you can speak some sense.

PoorDawgs

June 12th, 2010
8:27 am

Poor SEC and Dawgs. Texas just whipped it out and went to town on the SEC. Ya’ll going to replace Texas with A&M? Laughable. BWAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

UT ALUM

June 12th, 2010
8:51 am

Why in the hell did Mack Brown say that the SEC would be a hard week to week grind and hard to win consistantly. that says it all why UT does not want to go to the SEC they are scared they can’t Win. He needs to keep his thoughts to himself. I say come on Longhorns be a man andaccept the challenge. DON’T BE SCARED. you talk the talk now lets walk the walk……

jumbeauxtiger

June 12th, 2010
9:01 am

Enter your comments here

mgdawg

June 12th, 2010
9:03 am

I really just wish everything would stay the way it is as far as conferences, but apparently that isn’t going to happen. I don’t want to see the texas a&m come without texas, I know the SEC has enough football powers already but if you add you shouldn’t water down the football, that is what makes SEC football the best. If big ten goes to sixteen and the sec can’t get texas, go after the SEC. Bring in florida state, miami, clemson, and virginia tech/ncstate. Then let the big east and acc merge.

Snellville GT

June 12th, 2010
9:21 am

Tony, there’s a lot of confusion out there. Why not give us a “Realignment for Dummies” article? It might require an entire special section of the newspaper, but reviewing the TV money, geographical proximity, cultural closeness, bowls, visibility, etc., might help.

MikeP

June 12th, 2010
9:27 am

Texas won’t come to the SEC. They can’t dictate financial decisions and they will take three to four whuppins a year on the football field. Steers head for the Surfer Conference, A&M and Oklahoma man up and join the SEC. SEC expansion stops at 14 teams, Auburn moves to SEC East where they should have been all along.

jumbeauxtiger

June 12th, 2010
9:34 am

It appears that it’s likely that Texas, Texas Tech, OU and Okla State are going to the Pac-10. Supposedly A&M will have 72 hours next week make a decision of whether to join the Big 12 South exodus out west.

If A&M joins the SEC, who would be the other school the SEC would go after? VaTech, Maryland or FSU?

If A&M heads west would the SEC stand pat?

Geaux Tigers
Go SEC

DP

June 12th, 2010
9:39 am

The only way Xpatheel and Yeppie ever were inside any classrooms at UNC and UT Austin was if they were carrying mops and brooms.

Xpatheel, the word is marginal, not marginable. Yeppie, it’s not too late to get a GED.

Xpatheel, if UNC’s basketball team stinks again next year and the fair weather wine and cheese crowd deserts in droves like they did last season, will they move all the games to Carmichael? How about that beatdown UNC took in the last regular season game at Cameron? I’ve never seen a Duke team quit like UNC did that night. And how about the latest ACC tournament championship and national championship for Duke? Oh well, you always have football, with a tradition that’s up there with the likes of Mississippi State and Indiana. Wake Forest has had a better football program over the last 5-10 years than UNC for God’s sake.

Yeppie, for a guy who blathers about Texas the research institution you seem to have a lot of contempt for people who do research in universities. What’s the matter, they don’t acknowledge you when you’re pushing the mop bucket down the hall or move out of the way so you can mop behind their desks? Go back to the Hill Country and have a chicken fried steak you redneck.

Beast from the East

June 12th, 2010
9:58 am

Jumbeauxtiger,
If A&M does go west, then I say we stand pat. No need to panic and just add teams for the sake of adding teams. We need to get the right teams or just leave it alone.

Get over SEC delusions? Try this

June 12th, 2010
10:20 am

If the SEC does not land a deal with Tx and TX A&M and Oklahoma, then the ACC will be second choice for a raid. SEC’s first natural fit would be FSU, as they have very natural rivalries with Alabama, Auburn, LSU and even UGA, not to mention Florida. They all recruit the same kids.
Next? Clemson for the same reason ……. future natural rivalries with UT, UGA and with Auburn and Florida. UGA vs Clemson was legendary 25-30 years ago. One of the best ever in my 62 years. HUGE, HUGE and LOUD crowds. They basically compete in the same turf for players, year in and year out ……..especially around Jacksonville and northern Florida and Orlando.

Va Tech also would be a nice fit ………..again, they recruit with UT and UGA and SC and Clemson for the same kids. The play fine defense and they have tried to compete with SEC schools like Auburn, Alabama, LSU and UGA with little success ……….a merger with the SEC would IMMEDIATELY ELEVATE them, in the eyes of recruits.

SEC could pick up maybe NC for the academic effect. NC is very popular in Atlanta with locals and alumni. NC would be a natural for UGA and UT and SC and Florida to play. Besides, SEC would need another Vandy …………NC is a joke usually. Lawrence Taylor is also a JOKE.

GT? They simply bring nothing to the table. Their natural rivalrieis died in the 1970s with Auburn, UT and Alabama. UGA is the only one left and they are simply owned by UGA and therefore the SEC fathers would not want them ……………just like in the 70s ………….when they BEGGED to get in the back door.

ACC should be very scared ………….they will be adding Furman and College of Charleston and East Carolina if the above sceario plays out. Imagine, GT vs College of Charleston in G Field in front of 12,000 fanatical out of town S Carolinians. Wow!

Roy Kramer Says

June 12th, 2010
10:38 am

Texas, A&M, Okla and Ok St will all go to the Pac. The question is will the Big 10 make more offers. If it does, then the SEC – ACC dominoes begin to fall. VT will not go anywhere without UVA — same reason A&M will go with Texas to Pac. The North Carloina schools will not leave tobacco road. UNC, Duke and Wake put basketball ahead of football. NC State won’t go it alone as the other 3 NC schools are their rivals. That leaves GT, Clemson, Maryland, BC, FSU and Miami. Exclude Maryland and BC as they’re not a natural fit. Logic says the SEC looks to add some combination of GT, Clemson, FSU, Miami and possibly Louisville.

The ACC then combines with Big East. Don’t have all the answers but think it’s going to be really interesting. For all the GT haters, don’t let your hate cloud reality.

travy

June 12th, 2010
10:41 am

i don’t see the sec expanding unless they get a big school that is a nice geographical fit. i could see texas and the aggies being acceptable but i don’t think they would want to join the meat grinder sec. plus, the texas schools would not have the same financial advantage they would have elsewhere.

the sec is the standard that all the other conferences are trying to emulate. we are the blue bloods who hold all the cards and i just don’t see slive wanting to rock the boat just for show.

how2fish

June 12th, 2010
10:46 am

Simple Techster….are you really that dumb..if the SEC wants any of the ACC schools ( and God I hope not) they will get them..period.

Roy Kramer Says

June 12th, 2010
10:50 am

travy – while I agree the SEC is the hands down winner on the field, I would never use “blue bloods” to describe anything from the south. Bear in mind the true measure of success is not Natl Championships but revenue. As measured by revenue, the Big 10 is king of the mountain. I’m born and raised in GA, an ACC graduate but realize that the majority of the big TV markets are not in the South. The Big East, Mid West and California TV revenues are bigger than those of Atlanta, Charlotte, Birmingham, etc. Follow the bouncing ball and it’s all about the $$$. I do agree that given the choice neither the SEC , ACC or Big East would want to make changes. Unfortunately, I don’t think we are going to be given a vote.

travy

June 12th, 2010
10:51 am

also, LOL at all the talk about academics. BWAHAHAHAHA!

travy

June 12th, 2010
10:53 am

roy kramer, what about the network contracts the sec enjoys? i know everyone is drooling over the big 10 network but cbs and espn aren’t exactly chumps. the week to week nat’l tv schedule is totally driven by the sec. i call that blue blood

jumbeauxtiger

June 12th, 2010
10:58 am

Beast,

Unless the SEC can pickup Texas, Oklahoma and A&M, which seems unlikely especially with the first two, I think they should sit pat as well.

Unless we can expand geographically I don’t think we should pick up anyone.

What are your thoughts about Missouri? They may be looking for a home.

Roy Kramer Says

June 12th, 2010
10:59 am

how2fish – your ignorance is only outweighed by your arrogance. Trust me that the presidents and ADs of the ACC and Big East schools are not waiting by the phone for SEC Mike S to call.

Delbert D.

June 12th, 2010
11:18 am

jumbeauxtiger – Missouri is contiguous with the states of Arkansas, Kentucky and Tennessee. The university is located in Columbia, which is further south than Morgantown, West Virginia, east of Fayetteville and due north of Little Rock and Baton Rouge.

SEC FAN

June 12th, 2010
11:21 am

Adding Houston to the SEC should there be expansion, and we do not get UT or A&M may be a sleeper play. This opens up the Texas recruiting grounds for the SEC schools,a dn brings in a top 10 TV market in Houston. LSU would love it. UH just announced the plan for a $160M new Fball stadium and renovation to the Bball arena. The top tier of the SEC should be open to this. The cougars will be good but not a real threat to the top 6-8 programs. They are better now than Miss St , Ole Miss , Vandy and on par with Ark…..keep an open mind

John

June 12th, 2010
11:31 am

I still say that the SEC will look at possible match-ups more than what TV market brings them. Let’s face it, FSU vs UF, would be a bigger ratings draw than say TAMU vs UF. Nothing against TAMU, but the SEC network is already national. They want teams that will draw others away from the Pac-16 or Big-10 games. Quite frankly, if the SEC pulled FSU, Clemson, VT and TAMU, they would out draw most other college football conferences.

Delbert D.

June 12th, 2010
11:32 am

Houston, enrollment of 30,000, Tier 4 school, lower than Miss. St. or Ole Miss. The new stadium will help attendance.

Beast from the East

June 12th, 2010
11:39 am

Jumbeauxtiger,
I could see where Missouri would be a good fit. I just HATE the thought of 16 teams. It would kill some great rivalries. You would probably only play teams from the other side of the conference every 12 years or so. If we do expand, I hope it’s not more than 2 additional teams. A&M and Missouri? FSU and Clemson? GT and Louisville? Who knows. Right now we are all totally in the dark in regards to anything the SEC may or may not be considering. It’s fun to speculate, but that’s all we’re doing.

John

June 12th, 2010
11:45 am

I could see the 16 team super conferences getting 2 auto bids to the BCS games. The PAC-16 knows this, I can see the BIG-16 doing the same. the SEC probably knows this as well and are preparing for it. I think this is the first step to a play-off system.

SEC FAN

June 12th, 2010
11:51 am

I am talking about bein open to building the #1 brand in college football the SEC! If you do NOT get UT or A&M …Houston is an interesting option

Enrollment 37,000….third largest in Texas

They will be tier 1 inside of 2 years ( if that really matters in the world of College fottball and the money that this is about)

And for comparison their endowment is $441 Million vs. Clemson (tier1) @ $331 M.
This is about buidling the brand and expanding revenue Houston would bring so much more than a Clemson. And I am not picking on Clemson.

Greenville Tv Market vs. Houston
SC recruiting grounds vs. Texas…..we already own the state for the conference…..
UT and A&M would be very nervous in the PAC 10 with a strong Houston in the SEC
Keep an open mind….

Beast from the East

June 12th, 2010
11:53 am

John,
The SEC usually send two teams already. I can’t see the BCS mandating 2 teams from those conferences. I think it’ll stay at conference winners and at-large teams for the near future. Could be wrong, of course.

Delbert D.

June 12th, 2010
11:56 am

John – If expansion results in 4 superconferences (14 or more in each), it does set up for a superconference-based playoff. If all are 16-team conferences, it’s a 64-team playoff: regular season, “Elite 8″ (conf. championships), “Final 4″. It adds only 1 more game for 2 teams than the current BCS non-playoff system. The garbage spouted by the NCAA about extending the season with a playoff system being bad for so many teams goes down the drain. It’s already a lie, as we know because every other division does it.

Delbert D.

June 12th, 2010
11:57 am

The BCS TV contract expires in 2014.

Max Krakus

June 12th, 2010
12:01 pm

I have the inside scoop from assistant secretary of the Obama administration and here it is at 11:56am.

Michigan and Notre Dame to the SEC.
Texas and Texas A&M to the Mountain West.
Oklahoma and Oklahoma St. to the Big East.
Georgia Tech and Tennessee are forming a new league called the Big Zero.

Isn’t this fun?

Delbert D.

June 12th, 2010
12:04 pm

SEC FAN – Sorry, I miss-posted UH enrollment. I relied on my memory from posting last night.

SEC FAN

June 12th, 2010
12:10 pm

Delbert no worries …..and I am not a lobbyist for UH…just looking at different ways to grow the SEC other than the obvious….enjoy the day

Dawgfan

June 12th, 2010
12:23 pm

What if the SEC went after Miami, Florida State, Virgina Tech and Clemson or Georgia Tech? Wouldn’t that be better for us?

Delbert D.

June 12th, 2010
12:24 pm

I think there are clearly different driving factors for each of the conference expansions, now and in the future. The soon-to-be-PAC-16 is more about income from TV football contracts. While that is a factor for the Big Ten also, it’s more about retaining their exclusiveness and the collaboration they have with all members being AAU members. They have been different from the rest of the country’s conferences for a long time. They have always had rules that no other conference had. They are a very closed “society.” Collaboration among themselves on research grants is extremely important.

Their successful TV cable network is already in place, and they have guaranteed each of the 11 schools that addition of Nebraska will not reduce those schools’ TV money share, and they have guaranteed Nebraska that they will not receive less than they were getting form the Big 12.

How the SEC and ACC moves is open to all kinds of speculation. The ACC is academic-oriented, but as far as collaboration, the Research Triangle of the North Carolina schools is the primary example of that in the ACC. Virginia and Maryland are well-positioned. UM is inside the D.C. beltway.

Delbert D.

June 12th, 2010
12:31 pm

I think Missouri would share some SEC attributes and heritage. They are the “Show Me” state. Going way back to 1861 – 1865, Missouri, along with Kentucky, West Virginia and Maryland was a Union state that permitted slavery. Not a proud fact to be used in recruiting, though; surely we are beyond that stuff.

Yeppie

June 12th, 2010
12:54 pm

Texas would require the SEC to raise the academic standard for admission or a college athelete. SEC and Texas will not happen. SEC and Texas does not agree. Granted revenue is 70-85 percent(hypothesis) of the driving variable in the decision factors. Just as the Texas standards for admission the ACC would require the same variables for admission of football scholarships.

travy

June 12th, 2010
12:55 pm

good comments here. to me all this looks like power plays from the power players monopolizing their influence. this is about playing leverage and keeping those who don’t carry their weight from taking benefits that the big boyz don’t like sharing.

i think we are moving toward power conferences that will completely dominate college athletics starting with football and the table scraps for outsiders will be meager at best.

Yeppie

June 12th, 2010
12:57 pm

WHy?? The SEC thinks that everyone wants to be a member of the SEC. That is not the case. In return, why would the SEC at this time want to invite other institutions. The SEC knows that they have to position themselves for future expansion.

Yeppie

June 12th, 2010
12:59 pm

Texas does not want to schedule any ooc games with power SEC teams. Just as the power SEC team do not want to schedule Texas as an ooc game. That is why Texas, along with Alabama, Florida, etc… schedule one or two cupcakes.

shane#1

June 12th, 2010
1:03 pm

It seems yo me that the real loser in this mess is SoCal. If being on probation isn’t bad enough now you get to play conference games against Texas and-or Oklahoma. Between losing fifteen schollys and being banned ftom post season play plus a tougher schedule USC may go from national powrt to also-ran in their own conference. Letting Texas into the Pac 10 is inviting the 400lb Gorilla into your living room. Texas is big and rich, they have tons of power and they know how to use it. Kiffin and Coach O will really have to recruit now because the Golden State is wide open to two more powerhouses.

Yeppie

June 12th, 2010
1:05 pm

Here is something of consideration. Texas fits into the Pac conference on other contracted synopsis with the BCS bowl games. The SEC is aligned with the sugar bowl and the Big 12 (mainly the big 12 south) is aligned with the Fiesta bowl. THAT HAS TO BE A CRITERIA THAT HAS BEEN CONSIDERED IN ALIGNMENT.

Yeppie

June 12th, 2010
1:07 pm

The BCS bowl organization wants Texas to be connected to the Fiesta Bowl. Just as the BCS wants the SEC to be connected to the Sugar Bowl. Other factors that guide the decision factors.

Yeppie

June 12th, 2010
1:09 pm

Kiffin got what he deserves. Also, his ego will have to take a back seat to Mack Brown. This has to make UCLA happy.

.

June 12th, 2010
1:14 pm

Where is XpatHeel ?

Still sleeping off her gin martinis, and waking up in a high-rise condo in Buckhead next to some shallow, fake tan, gold chained loser she met at Twist?

Delbert D.

June 12th, 2010
1:15 pm

“It seems yo me that the real loser in this mess is SoCal.”

Due to probation, yes, for several years. USC is already at 74 (11 below the 85 limit) scholarships going into 2010. They lose 10 scholarships for 2001, 2012 and 2013.

Yeppie

June 12th, 2010
1:20 pm

The scholarship reduction will give UCLA an advantage. It took Alabama years to recover from thier violations. Michigan and Oklahoma could be next institution to get some sanctions.

Delbert D.

June 12th, 2010
1:23 pm

Yeppie – “The BCS bowl organization wants Texas to be connected to the Fiesta Bowl.”

How could they do that? If they renegotiate the BSC contract this year, you still have the PAC-16 with the Rose Bowl. I’m assuming the “2 bids” for the PAC-16 would be Rose Bowl and at-large. Even with that, I think the Big-12 (former) loses an automatic bid, so…this is confusing. At least Boise St. and Utah are in the same conference now.

Delbert D.

June 12th, 2010
1:25 pm

Yeah, years to recover, and Lane Kiffin has not yet exhibited Saban-like capabilities.

Yeppie

June 12th, 2010
1:28 pm

That is true Delbert. Not sure how the BCS bowl will align. The Fiesta bowl got the Big 12 champ, Rose bowl got the pac 10 champ, sugar got SEC 12 champ and Orange got the ACC champ.

Not sure how the Fiesta and Rose bowl will adjust to the scenario.
Any thoughts??

Delbert D.

June 12th, 2010
1:34 pm

Lane Kiffin has exhibited Rick Neuheisel-like qualities, except for the winning part. Why the heck did UCLA hire that guy, other than the fact that he’s an alumnus and really hates USC?

Yeppie

June 12th, 2010
1:42 pm

I am just going to guess… Perhaps the Big 10 champ becomes aligned with the Fiesta bowl. ???

Delbert D.

June 12th, 2010
1:43 pm

The Rose Bowl is tied to the PAC-10 and Big Ten, hosting their respective conference champs except when one is in the BCS title game. If that is the case, the Big Ten and or the PAC-10 select alternative teams, each conference with its own rules.

Plus, the Rose Bowl Stadium (but not the Bowl itself) is in rotation for the BCS title game, like the past January.

Yeppie

June 12th, 2010
1:50 pm

Good info.. Since the big 12 is in process of dissolving. What happens to the Fiesta. Since the big 12 was tied to the fiesta as the pac 10 was tied to the Rose bowl. What conf takes the place of the big 12 in the fiesta bowl?? You right the bowl not the bcs.. Last the bcs was at the rose and I think this year the bcs game will be a the fiesta bowl or Sugar bowl…???

Delbert D.

June 12th, 2010
1:51 pm

I can’t explain it, so here’s a quote from the Rose Bowl Wikipedia:

“Beginning with the 2011 Rose Bowl though the 2014 Rose Bowl, the qualifying system for the Rose Bowl will change. The Big Ten and Pac-10 champions are still contractually obligated to play in the game and will unless one of those two teams is to play in the BCS National Championship Game. The first time this happens, should it happen, the other automatic bid must go to one of the champions of the non-BCS conferences, provided that one of those team is able to meet the criteria the BCS has set for these schools. Should one of those teams fail to qualify for the BCS either the Big East champion, a BCS conference at-large team, or Notre Dame would take the bid.”

A “qualified” non-BCS conference champ gets a bid to the Rose Bowl if a PAC-10 or Big Ten is in the BCS title game. Wow, that’s a big departure from history.

shane#1

June 12th, 2010
2:01 pm

Delbert, yes, because of probation. One more thing to consider, say you are a 5 star sophmore QB at USC. The coaching staff that recruited you is gone. You can remain loyal to the program and never play in a bowl and have no shot at a Heisman or BCSNC, or you can transfer without penalty. You can go to Texas, a team that will have to replace a starting QB, and compete for that posistion. If you don’t make it, you can take a red shirt and learn the spread offense. You can then play in your old conference and put up some gaudy numbers in the passing game. As a bonus you have a real shot at a BCSNC. What would you do?

Yeppie

June 12th, 2010
2:09 pm

I sure would not like to be a recruit at USC. No bowl game experience. Recruited by Pete Carroll.. Granted coaches do change, but to be told by Kiffin that USC will only get a slap on the wrist. Yikes…

The Rose bowl will change with the Fiesta… It will be Texas as the home versus Boise St???? Granted Texas is not in the bcs champ game. This is where the SEC and Pac 10 should be in discussions today. A runner up in the pac 10 or a runner up of the SEC to either the Fiesta or Rose bowl.. THAT IS WORTH CONSIDERATION.. ???

Yeppie

June 12th, 2010
2:12 pm

If Notre Dame wants to stay independent then let them play in the corn flake bowl. Some dry humor… I think this will make Notre Dame to reconsider joining the Big 10… This will be a factor.. If that happens then the SEC is safe and the ACC or Big east do not have to react quickly.. Just a thought. Not sure.. ??

Delbert D.

June 12th, 2010
2:21 pm

There is already one USC guy, a rising soph that is going to transfer; reportedly interested in University of Georgia and Florida State. Plus a guy who was signed to a scholarship by USC for this year.

Yeppie

June 12th, 2010
2:22 pm

Imagine this..
Rose bowl game.
Texas as the home team and Nebraska as the visting team.
That is change for Rose bowl.
Better yet.. put an Oklahoma versus Nebraska scenario.. ALL former great 8 schools in the rose bowl..

Yeppie

June 12th, 2010
2:25 pm

I am sure the SEC teams are knocking on the doors of all the USC players. Good for them… Glad the student can transfer without penalty.

Delbert D.

June 12th, 2010
2:28 pm

There is a bowl reserved for Army or Navy, if qualified and available, i.e., not going to another bowl. Air Force is not an independent (Mountain West).

Delbert D.

June 12th, 2010
2:33 pm

shane#1 – What is ironic is the 4-star WR recruit that is transferring picked USC over Tennessee.

shane#1

June 12th, 2010
2:38 pm

Delbert, to quote my favorite philosopher, Grandpa Jones, “thangs just get curiouser and curiouser!”.

Roy Kramer Says

June 12th, 2010
2:49 pm

Yeppie – love the corn flake joke — very dry and funny.

Manifest Destiny

June 12th, 2010
3:13 pm

I would think that Texas is smart enough to consider the SEC. I would welcome them with open arms along with A&M. I would like to actually see the SEC lock down Florida by adding Miami and FSU. Then add Texas and Texas A&M. That wouldn’t shake up the divisions though it would likely end some long time matchups between east and west division schools because if there are 7 games within your division that wouldn’t leave much room on the schedule for schools from the other division. Georgia may not get to play Auburn every year. Tennessee may not get Alabama every year. It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out. As for Mike Garrett, he should have been forced out by the NCAA. They can simply ban him from being an A.D. anywhere. I wonder when Kiffin screws up and he will screw up if the NCAA will drop the hammer on USC and kill the program. The ACC needs to be proactive and lock down the teams like FSU, Miami, Clemson, and Georgia Tech while looking to swallow up say South Florida, UConn, West Virginia, and Cincinnati.

Delbert D.

June 12th, 2010
3:48 pm

Manifest Destiny – I don’t think the ACC would consider South Florida, West Virginia or Cincinnati. All of them are Tier 3, and the ACC is more academically oriented, although not to the exclusivity of the Big Ten and their AAU membership requirements. I’d like to see them pro-actively go for Pitt, UConn, Syracuse and Rutgers. That would make the travel requirements for Boston College much more reasonable. All 4 are upper tier per the USN&WR rankings, and 3 are AAU members. Plus they are pretty good in football and basketball.

Delbert D.

June 12th, 2010
3:51 pm

” if the NCAA will drop the hammer on USC and kill the program.”

From what I’ve read on news articles, the NCAA came very close to a death penalty. I don’t think Kiffin can’t not screw up with violations.

Delbert D.

June 12th, 2010
4:06 pm

I read something where Nebraska’s sports teams originally called themselves “The Bug eaters.”

coach erk russell dog

June 12th, 2010
4:15 pm

I wish someone would drop the hammer on CMR where UGA could get to where they should be!

poopdawg

June 12th, 2010
4:20 pm

Delbert D you left the er out, “The Buger eaters.”

Delbert D.

June 12th, 2010
4:28 pm

From Pete Thamel of the NY Times: (partial quote)

“Interference could come from both the state Legislature in Texas and from the United States Congress, possibly slowing the realignment process.

“Senator Jay Rockefeller, Democrat of West Virginia and the chairman of the Commerce Committee, said he would hold hearings in July about the realignment, and the Higher Education Committee in Texas said it would meet next week about the possible breakup of the Big 12.”

Oh, great. Federal government politicians getting involved. Whine about “the little guys.” Appoint a Federal Commissioner.

Another step closer to the “United State of America.”

jumbeauxtiger

June 12th, 2010
4:32 pm

Yes Delbert they were once known as the Bugeaters. I learned that recently myself.

John

June 12th, 2010
4:33 pm

The SEC does usually send two to the BCS games, but it’s not written down that that’s what happens. The SEC could find themselves left out if the PAC-16 and BIG-16 secure 4 slots. that leaves one for the SEC, one for the ACC, one for the Big-East, and one for the Big-12. I know the Big-12 is dissolving and will lose their autobid, but what happens if the Mountain West get’s it. or what if the ACC beats the SEC to the punch and goes to 16 teams and secures 2 bids. SEC is treading in various dangerous waters with expansion going on. They need to be careful, because the ACC will react very shortly.

Atlanta Gator

June 12th, 2010
4:36 pm

For those of you who were fond of quoting the penalties handed out to the University of Florida 26 years ago, let us note for the record that Southern Cal is not only losing 30 scholarships over three years, they are also being forced to vacate 13-14 football game wins, including the 2004-05 BCS Championship game, and they are banned from television and bowl games for two years.

Florida deservedly lost 20 scholarships over two years, and it crippled the Gators on the field from 1986 to 1989. Only Emmit Smith deciding to attend Florida in 1987 kept the Gators on life support until the effect of the lost scholarships expired and the Evil Genius returned in 1990. Believe me when I say that the Trojans are in a world of hurt right now and will be for the next 4-5 years, and the 2010s Trojans are going to feel it far worse that the 1980s Gators did. The Gators under Galen Hall did not have to contend with transfers; Kiffin basically lied to USC’s 2010 recruits, telling them not to worry about NCAA probation. He is going to be dealing with a lot of angry recruits and parents, and I suspect several will “transfer” to other schools and sit out a year rather than attend their first fall class at USC.

For all of you doubters out there, give the NCAA credit; they dropped the hammer on USC and it was a much bigger hammer blow than those recently meted out to either Alabama or FSU. For those you who were howling for consistency in the forfeiture of games, it here it is. If the NCAA Committee on Major Infractions is willing to put the wood to Alabama, FSU and USC, does anyone doubt that Michigan, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Penn State or Texas would suffer similar penalties for similar infractions?

The new NCAA rule of thumb: get caught with ineligible players, forfeit games in which they played. Simple enough. Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.

Atlanta Gator

June 12th, 2010
4:38 pm

BTW, where is “Zombie Erk Russell?”

I love that guy. LOL

jumbeauxtiger

June 12th, 2010
4:38 pm

I think when the next BCS contract is renewed that Jerry Jones will have the Cotton Bowl as the 5th bowl and with the double-hosted bowl that means there will be 12 slots.

If the Big 12 dissolves I would expect the Mtn West to receive an automatic bid as there would be alot of political pressure.

Delbert D.

June 12th, 2010
4:39 pm

John –

I think you are right on the ACC. Things have been strangely quiet.

Since the Big Ten spells is out, will the be the “Big Sixteen?” Since it may take a few years, incrementally as Commissioner Reardon said, maybe the will just change their name the “Big Conference.” Nickname, “The Biggy.”

jumbeauxtiger

June 12th, 2010
4:43 pm

Atlanta Gator, are u sure the Trojans can’t be on TV for 2 years? I don’t recall that but maybe I missed it.

You are right about the scholly reductions and transfers. It will be years for USC to recover from this.

Atlanta Gator

June 12th, 2010
4:49 pm

jumbeauxtiger—-

That is exactly how Jerry Jones has been positioning the new Cowboys Stadium and the Cotton Bowl from the planning stage for the new stadium. Dallas and the Cotton Bowl committee are still miffed at being supplanted by the Fiesta Bowl in the hierarchy of the New Years bowls. Frankly, it would also make a lot of sense to have five BCS bowls plus the BCS Championship Game. That would virtually guarantee that the top twelve Division I teams, regardless of conference affiliation, would be paired every January.

And, no, the Big Ten (16) and the Pac-16 should not get two automatic BCS bids, any more than the SEC should. Until we have some form of Division I/FBS playoff, every BCS bowl invitee needs to earn their bid by being in the top 10-12 teams in the BCS rankings. Period.

Delbert D.

June 12th, 2010
4:49 pm

Oh yeah, and one reason for pro-action by the ACC is that Maryland and Georgia Tech have been mentioned in articles on Big Ten expansion. Lock ‘em *all* down in the ACC by going to 16. It’s the AAU thing again. Another reason is a potential cable network extending contiguously from Miami to Boston if UConn and Rutgers join, plus Pitt and Syracuse as more footprint in Pennsylvania and NY State. Third, Pennsylvania and New Jersey recruiting areas.

FLA DAWG

June 12th, 2010
4:53 pm

IT’S GREAT TO BE IN THE SEC !!!

Delbert D.

June 12th, 2010
4:54 pm

An unintended consequence of this in the near term may actually save the BCS (for awhile). Add the Cotton Bowl, and have a 2 team selection after the bowls for the BCS title game.

jumbeauxtiger

June 12th, 2010
4:57 pm

If 16 team mega-conferences do come to be, it will be interesting if the stipulation that the limit of 2 teams from a conference be changed to 3 when the next BCS deal is made.

Atlanta Gator

June 12th, 2010
4:58 pm

jumbeauxtiger—-

Double-checking on the television ban now.

jumbeauxtiger

June 12th, 2010
5:01 pm

Delbert D.

“An unintended consequence of this in the near term may actually save the BCS (for awhile). Add the Cotton Bowl, and have a 2 team selection after the bowls for the BCS title game.”

If that occurs then 10 teams would be picked for the BCS bowls instead of 12. I do like the Plus One idea though.

jumbeauxtiger

June 12th, 2010
5:04 pm

Atl Gator, I’m pretty sure there is no television ban.

If that was the case there would be some depressed talking heads at ESPN. Especially the one from Columbus, Ohio :)

Delbert D.

June 12th, 2010
5:04 pm

More from the Pete Thamel article:

““There is certainly an opportunity for the N.C.A.A. to exert some leadership and step into all of this and start looking at the future of intercollegiate athletics, what is best for the total enterprise and not just individual conferences and institutions,” Sun Belt Commissioner Wright Waters said.”

Oh, right, these NCAA guys are the ones who don’t want a top division playoff, because it would be too harmful for the student-athletes with so many more games. The National Championship boys from Montana, Villanova and Richmond have not been harmed. Look at the Falcons’ roster.

FLA DAWG

June 12th, 2010
5:10 pm

Why USC would add insult to injury by hiring Kiffin is beyond me – alumn or no.
If Kiffin lied to recruits (what a shock that would be!) his players should jump ship.
There’s always room for one more elsewhere.

Delbert D.

June 12th, 2010
5:13 pm

FLA DAWG – They are. The AJC has the report on the 4-star WR getting his release from the USC scholarship commitment, plus a LB who played a lot as a freshman last year transferring.

jumbeauxtiger

June 12th, 2010
5:13 pm

FLA DAWG, I think if Kiffin lied to recruits it will come out if and when some transfer.

This is not behind Kiffin yet so this is going to get interesting.

Delbert D.

June 12th, 2010
5:15 pm

I’m not a fan of torts, but there ought to be a way for USC to sue Pete Carroll, Reggie Bush and his involved booster.

Delbert D.

June 12th, 2010
5:16 pm

Gotta run, see y’all.

Atlanta Gator

June 12th, 2010
5:19 pm

jumbeauxtiger—-

I made that up: no television ban that i can find mentioned in any of the L.A. Times articles on topic.

The NCAA football sanctions included:

1. loss of 30 scholarships (10 per year for 3 years);

2. two-year ban on post-season play (presumably including both the new PAC-X championship game); and

3. vacation of 14 games after Reggie Bush became ineligible (including the 2004 BCS Championship Game) in the record books.

This does not include separate basketball penalties related to OJ. Mayo.

Non-NCAA matters still to be determined:

1. vacation of the 2004 BCS Championship by the BCS committee. The BCS folks have said they will wait for USC’s appeals to run their course.

2. retraction of Reggie Bush’s Heisman Trophy, the rules for which expressly require that the recipient be an eligible player under NCAA rules. Like the BCS committee, the Downtown Athletic Club has said they will wait and see the outcome of USC’s appeals.

One thing is certain: the NCAA does not appear to be in a mood to back down. The language of the NCAA report was harsh and damning, and USC was cited for the dreaded “lack of institutional control.”

Query: will the Pac-10 vacate the Trojans’ Pac-10 championships, like the SEC did to Florida’s 1984 conference championship and Alabama’s 1993 division championship? It will be interesting to see if the Pac-10 has as much integrity as the big, bad SEC.

Atlanta Gator

June 12th, 2010
5:24 pm

junbeauxtiger—-

It appears that the pattern of NCAA sanctions has evolved since 1984. The logic not to impose a television ban is that it penalizes the innocent opponents of the guilty school. That’s progress, I guess.

jumbeauxtiger

June 12th, 2010
5:25 pm

Yes Atl Gator, it will be interesting to see if the Pac-10 takes any action.

John

June 12th, 2010
5:33 pm

You know the funny thing about the TAMU invite is that it would open up Texas for recruiting. I hate to tell the SEC, but FSU already has a foot in Texas and have established good relations with several big schools in Texas. Two of FSU’s coaches, Mark Stoops and D.J. Eliot both have tremendous ties into Texas. So if the SEC really wanted to get into Texas, then bringing in TAMU and FSU would help with that.

Atlanta Gator

June 12th, 2010
5:33 pm

Mea culpa—-sorry for misspelling your handle.

OakTree

June 12th, 2010
5:38 pm

John
Take a look at the alabama and LSU roster. Lots of Texas players. Just like the state of Florida… Even the 2 or 3 tier players are good. Besides, Does the SEC area truly need to try to recruit better. The majority of the top players are in the SEC.

OakTree

June 12th, 2010
5:39 pm

From what I hear, every SEC school is chasing the USC players trying to get some to transfer.???

OakTree

June 12th, 2010
5:46 pm

Outside of the SEC… There are only 5 other teams that are truly national contenders.
1. Texas
2. USC-had to cheat, I think they are history for 5 years
3. Ohio State
4. Oklahoma??? Under investigation by NCAA
5. ???? just cannot think of another but wanted the number 5.

John

June 12th, 2010
5:46 pm

Oak, I agree with you that LSU and Bama have a lot of Texas players, Especially LSU, but you have to look at ties between HS coaches and the staff’s of the schools. Both Stoops and Eliot have extensive ties within Texas. I am sure LSU does as well, but Bama not as much as FSU.

Atlanta Gator

June 12th, 2010
5:50 pm

OakTree—-

That would only be fair, since Lane Kiffin lied to USC’s 2010 recruits to either get them to commit or stay committed. Lied how, you ask? Well, he told the USC recruits “not to worry about NCAA sanctions,” etc., implying a greater degree of understanding of the outcome of the NCAA investigation than he clearly had. Well documented in the national press, including The New York Times. I know Urban Meyer was in the hunt for Seantrel Henderson, and Henderson might want a second chance to rethink that decision now . . . .

I would imagine there are a number of topflight USC recruits that feel similarly. Mitch Mustain must be questioning his own sanity at this point.

OakTree

June 12th, 2010
5:52 pm

Your right.. Stoops and Eliot both have Texas ties. FSU have recruited out of Texas. Michigan at one time recruited well out of Texas. That seem to be getting less and less. Texas is cherry picking Arizona, Ohio and Louisiana. States like Texas, CA and Florida do not have a huge need to recruit outside of the state.

OakTree

June 12th, 2010
5:55 pm

I am with you Atlanta Gator.. I am glad the players can transfer. Kiffin lied to recruits. He got what he deserved.

OakTree

June 12th, 2010
5:57 pm

Mitch Mustain is a bust. I do not like to say that, but he was suppose to be a top flight recruit. Well, has even played a 4 quarter game??

OakTree

June 12th, 2010
5:59 pm

I am sure Seantral Henderson regrets the decision to play for USC. Perhaps, Kiffin and USC provided free housing and money??? So he went to USC.

Atlanta Gator

June 12th, 2010
6:03 pm

OakTree—-

“Bust” is a little strong. It’s partially a situation of his own creation, obviously, but he didn’t help matters by transferring to USC, where fierce competition among 5-star recruits for the starting QB job was guaranteed. He could have easily started as a red-shirt sophomore for three-quarters of the Division I teams in the country. He just had to pick one of the right schools.

As I understand it, however, he has fought his way back to the number 2 QB behind Barkley.

John

June 12th, 2010
6:04 pm

FSU also has Vic Viloria as it’s strength and conditioning coach. He is one of the best, and he came from SMU. He has lots of contacts with the majority of Texas HS coaches because of his program was considered to be in the top 5 nationwide. In fact, Texas and Oklahoma both have tried to hire him in the past. Although he is not a recruiter per say, he opens up a lot of doors for our recruiters.

OakTree

June 12th, 2010
6:07 pm

Yea “bust” was a little strong.. That is why I did not like to use that phrase, but I think he is on his 3rd school. He is a Texas High school recruit, went to Michigan, went to Arkansas and now at USC??

OakTree

June 12th, 2010
6:09 pm

FSU— They have to become the top school for the state of Florida prior to recruiting outside the state. Granted some blue birds will fall in place, but they need their own backyard first.

Butch Davis

June 12th, 2010
6:10 pm

Miami is a huge loser in SEC expansion. They are desperate for cash and recruits. Both have dried up. (spare me the ESPN #1 class in 08 nonsense) They just don’t field a top tier product any longer. They thought the ACC move would develop into something big. Swing and a miss. The SEC contenders don’t want to compete with UM for the very fertile south florida recruiting grounds. Admission to the SEC would give UM a Colbert bump like they never imagined. Despite UM’s glorious PAST, they presently bring nothing to the table that would suggest they are worthy of being brought aboard. u lose.

Atlanta Gator

June 12th, 2010
6:16 pm

OkaTree—-

Arkansas High School to the University of Arkansas to USC. Even allowing for the fact that the Arkansas situation was not entirely of his own creation, the transfer to USC was not his best move and did not display a great of maturity on his part or strategic thinking on the part of his big-mouth parents.

Atlanta Gator

June 12th, 2010
6:22 pm

Actually, Urban Meyer’s Gators have gone national, and are cherry-picking kids from California, Georgia, Texas and the Northeast. The 2008 class of 28 recruits includes 12 out-of-staters—eight 4-stars and three 5-stars.

FSU used to do that, but their reach now exceeds their grasp. Miami used to dominate by grabbing all the best South Florida kids (i.e. Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties) plus cherry-picking kids from the Northeast. Not happening for them, either, as Florida, FSU and everyone else has made serious recruiting inroads in South Florida.

Atlanta Gator

June 12th, 2010
6:23 pm

Damn, OakTree, I cannot type to save my life today.

Randy Brittain

June 12th, 2010
6:24 pm

SEC in 2012

East
Auburn (AL)
Clemson (SC)
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

West
Alabama
Arkansas
Houston (TX)
Louisiana State
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Texas A&M
Texas Christian

Atlanta Gator

June 12th, 2010
6:24 pm

“u lose”

Not grammatically correct, but pretty damn funny.

John

June 12th, 2010
6:25 pm

FSU has actually gotten more talent from UF in recent years. UF seems to have gone to the National recruiting more than the back yard style. I am not saying that FSU recruits better than UF, but they get their fair share. They have strong ties into South Florida, South Georgia, and Texas as well as the rest of Florida. FSU’s staff are all very strong recruiters and you will see in the next couple of years how strong they are.

OakTree

June 12th, 2010
6:26 pm

Atlanta GATOR
If Henderson would have gone to Florida, the recruit class would have been the best ever.

Florida had 28 playes signed and 17 in the espn 150
Texas had 25 players signed and 15 in the espn 150

Currently Texas has 20 commits and 8-10 are espn 150. In the pipeline to finish the 2011 class are 4-5 espn rated players. If they get Malcollm brown with another CB that is one of the most well rounded classes.

Atlanta Gator

June 12th, 2010
6:28 pm

Randy—-

That shows some creative thinking on your part. Houston gets you into the Houston TV market, TCU into the DFW market, and Texas A&M has a state-wide presence.

While we are engaging in this dream team SEC-16 fantasy, how about we consider Missouri instead of Clemson? Bigger school and bigger media markets . . . or substitute either Houston or TCU for Clemson.

Just throwing it out there.

Randy Brittain

June 12th, 2010
6:28 pm

ACC in 2012

Atlantic
Boston College (MA)
Cincinnati (OH)
Connecticut
Louisville (KY)
Marshall (WV)
Maryland
Syracuse (NY)
Virginia

Coastal
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Miami (FL)
North Carolina
North Carolina State
South Florida
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest (NC)

OakTree

June 12th, 2010
6:29 pm

It is a shame that kiffin lied to young adults.
This is the only year that Texas may be weak to start the season. Would not want to play Texas at the end of the season or for the next 2-3 years. Loaded with Talent.

It will be Florida and Texas in the bcs 2 or the next 3 years to follow. I give a nod to alabama and someone to sneak in by upsetting Texas during the season.

Randy Brittain

June 12th, 2010
6:32 pm

Big 10 in 2012

“Great Northern Conference”

East
Indiana
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Penn State
Pittsburg (PA)
Rutgers (NJ)
West Virginia

West
Illinois
Iowa
Minnesota
Missouri
Northwestern (IL)
Nebraska
Purdue (IN)
Wisconsin

OakTree

June 12th, 2010
6:33 pm

Randy
Creative thinking.. However, Texas has the entire state. Houston is a commuter school. People in Houston would watch Texas over Houston. People in Dallas would watch Texas over a TCU game. Albeit, does give some exposure to a TV market.

Although, I do like the purple/grey/white uniforms of TCU. Great mascot too. I give them an A- for just looking good on TV.

Randy Brittain

June 12th, 2010
6:34 pm

Big West in 2012

Big West

East
Air Force (CO)
Colorado State
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
New Mexico
UTEP (TX)
Wyoming

West
Boise State
BYU (UT)
Fresno State (CA)
Hawaii
San Diego State (CA)
San Jose State (CA)
UNLV (NV)
Utah

Atlanta Gator

June 12th, 2010
6:35 pm

John—-

Can’t disagree. Of Florida’s biggest recent stars, Percy Harvin was from Virginia, Joe Haden was from Maryland, Brandon Spikes was from North Carolina, and Aaron Hernandez was from Connecticut. Among the really big names, only Tim Tebow was a native Floridian.

Randy Brittain

June 12th, 2010
6:36 pm

Pacific Athletic Conference in 2012

*PAC

East
Arizona
Arizona State
Colorado
Baylor (TX)
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech

West
California
Oregon
Oregon State
Southern California
Stanford (CA)
UCLA (CA)
Washington
Washington State

OakTree

June 12th, 2010
6:37 pm

Best uniform and Best mascot?
TCU

If Tennessee or NC ever play a game, I will have to reduce the color on the TV to black and white.

You all have a great weekend.

OakTree

June 12th, 2010
6:41 pm

FINAL THOUGHT.
Boise state is joining the MWC.
Boise should be required by the NCAA to get rid of the nasty, disgrace to a football field BLUE TURF. THAT IS A DISGRACE OF THE GAME OF FOOTBALL. No blue turf. Should be green like it has been for over a 100 years. Somethings should remain the same. Lets start with a green football field.

garoil

June 12th, 2010
6:59 pm

Dear Tony B.
Can there be one consistent requirement in college football?
If so, would it be nice to require a green turf. Oak Tree brings up a good statement. Boise State should be required to play on green turf. Every NCAA college football program should be required to play on green turf.

John

June 12th, 2010
7:01 pm

Randy, I hate to break it to you, but TCU is in the Mountain West now. they have Boise State, and are on the verge of picking up Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and Baylor. They will get the old Big-12 autobid.

Atlanta Gator

June 12th, 2010
7:12 pm

Randy—-

Your new 2010 ACC is the unlikeliest of your proposed mega conferences. The ACC will never invite Tier 3 schools like Cincinnati and South Florida, or a small non-doctoral university like Marshall. Connecticut and Syracuse would probably both fit the ACC profile. Where did you stick Duke? (no pun intended)

Atlanta Gator

June 12th, 2010
7:15 pm

John—-

If Texas A&M shifts east, TCU could probably be convinced to come on along. The SEC would certainly pay better than the MWC, and give them an opportunity to upgrade the Horned Frogs’ other sports. Not beyond the realm of possibility, if . . . .

John

June 12th, 2010
7:19 pm

I can’t see TCU coming over to the SEC. I live in Arizona, and live next door to a TCU alum and booster. He told me that TCU wants to stay in the MWC and make it the new Big-12. I can see why TAMU to the SEC but not TCU. I have been wrong before though.

Bring in Missouri

June 12th, 2010
7:20 pm

I agree with what a few other people have been saying. Go after Missouri. Get a large chunk of the St. Louis and Kansas City markets.

Getting Texas A&M and Mizzou would really expand the footprint of the SEC and bring in A LOT more money (enough to make it worth adding 2 teams).

Neki Ecko

June 12th, 2010
7:34 pm

Insider reports is saying that Mike Slive is in College Station right now, talking to some of the TAMU reagents(?) today, mnaybe he is talking business to them.

Atlanta Gator

June 12th, 2010
7:34 pm

Smart man, BIM.

Atlanta Gator

June 12th, 2010
7:36 pm

Neki—-

Call your sources and tell Mike to make a pit-stop in Columbia, Missouri on the way home from College Station.

Neki Ecko

June 12th, 2010
7:45 pm

Atlanta Gator.

That info I got from some of TAMU fans that was trying us that he was on campus today talking to many of the regeants

jumbeauxtiger

June 12th, 2010
8:13 pm

A&M and Missouri would be the smart choice for the SEC right now. Play 9 conference games with one permanent opposite division team for each school. That gives you 2 other conference games to rotate among the other 5 opposite division teams. The other teams would rotate every 6 years instead of every 4 years as now.

I like the SEC as it is and going to 16 teams concerns me. If we expand I’d rather go to 14 and see how that works out.

jumbeauxtiger

June 12th, 2010
8:15 pm

Actually that would be 2 conference games to rotate among the other ‘6′ schools.

OakTree

June 12th, 2010
8:47 pm

Florida GATOR
No worries. THis is a blog not an english class. Albeit whey one thinks fast and or types fast grammer one can make errors.. Sorta makes if fun too. Because you know what they were trying to say…

OakTree

June 12th, 2010
8:47 pm

Damn,,, it happpened to me. Whey should be when…ahhh

OakTree

June 12th, 2010
8:53 pm

SEC is finally starting to make moves. Credible sources think they will try to get a cincinnatii, Louisville combo.

John

June 12th, 2010
8:54 pm

I understand that the TAMU board of regents have the votes to join the SEC. Congrats to them, so who will join them?

Yeppie

June 12th, 2010
8:55 pm

This will be another interesting week of CFB. Like march madness brackets.

Texas A&M and Missouri

June 12th, 2010
9:22 pm

Even being an Eastern Division guy (UGA alum), I really like the idea of bringing in A&M and Mizzou. Move Auburn to the East, increase the # of conf games to 9…and stay ahead of the Big Ten.

THLaw

June 12th, 2010
9:43 pm

I like the idea of Missouri too but adding 2 western teams adds a bit of a challenge with permanent rivals in the other division. If Auburn moved over, Bama would have to be their permanent rival…but Bama already has one in Tennessee.

Adding a western and eastern team would be much easier. Maybe just bring in Florida State or Clemson even though they don’t really add any market value. Virginia Tech would be nice but it will be tough to get them away from Virginia, especially after all the crap that went down a few years ago to get them in the ACC.

I still like the Missouri idea though. If they could find a way around the perm. rival issue, that’s a smart move.

Rob

June 12th, 2010
9:52 pm

I’m not a fan of expansion, but if the conference does expand then A&M and Missouri make sense financially. They expand the footprint and open up new tv markets. They also create a couple of natural rivals for Arkansas.

One issue in expansions will be how to protect the Alabama-Tennessee and Georgia-Auburn rivalries. Auburn to the East makes sense in a fourteen team conference, but would endanger the Alabama-Tennessee rivalry since Alabama-Auburn would have to be the protected rivalry.

Rob

June 12th, 2010
9:53 pm

THLaw – Sorry, just saw your comment about Ala-Tenn when I posted and refreshed.

Jake Dawghomme

June 12th, 2010
10:12 pm

Some good conversation going on here. If a team has to be added to the east for balance, it’s going to be tough to figure out. Because of the recruiting advantage schools have by being in the SEC, Florida isn’t going to want Miami, Georgia isn’t going to want FSU (Fla wouldn’t either), and South Carolina isn’t going to want Clemson (Ga wouldn’t either).

Not sure what the answer is going to be. Louisville would probably jump on board but I’m not sure they really add enough value to warrant the addition.

Will

June 12th, 2010
10:25 pm

Just make a special exception for Bama and allow them 2 permanent opponents in the opposite division. Problem solved.

Add A&M and Mizzou.

Rob

June 12th, 2010
10:26 pm

There is a report on ESPN’s site indicating that the SEC is not likely to raid the ACC:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5279963

ESPN has tv deals with both conferences. This is 100% speculation on my part, but I wonder if ESPN indicated to the SEC that damaging one of their properties wouldn’t exactly make them want to open up the check book in any renegotiation with the SEC.

Neki Ecko

June 12th, 2010
10:30 pm

It looks like TAMU is ready to come to us and Mizzou maybe will be the second team to come (cross fingers)

THLaw

June 12th, 2010
10:36 pm

No problem Rob.

Will, somebody from the East would have to have 2 perm opponents too in order for the numbers to add up. Maybe Kentucky would go for it? They could play Mizzou every year since they’re close geographically. They could also keep their game with Miss State.

BUT…I’m not sure UGA would go for having A&M be their permanent. Might open up Texas recruiting to the Dawgs? Sell it that way?

Chuck Uga

June 12th, 2010
10:42 pm

Funny reading all this. Not a soul on this blog has a clue what is going on. So hyper-ventilate all you want, much of what is going to happen next is nearly 100% wasted speculation.

THLaw

June 12th, 2010
10:51 pm

What exactly is your point Chuck? You don’t want people posting on blogs? I think most people posting on here understand this is just speculation.

TDave

June 12th, 2010
10:57 pm

For the love of all things holy, NO ONE WANTS TCU!

TCU is a small, private University. That means two things.
1) No resources. The Frogs are great at competing in the limited confines of the Mountain West. But… in a major conference like the SEC, they’d be another Baylor or Vanderbilt.

2) Fewer alumni. You know why conferences prefer big state schools? Because they typically have larger enrollments and produce more alumni. Alumni buy tickets, buy merch, and watch their team on TV.

TCU does not bring the DFW market. The Horned Frogs are third fiddle in that town behind Texas and A&M. It’s like saying Georgia Tech would bring the Atlanta market.

The same goes for Houston. Houston is a public school with the third-largest enrollment in the state of Texas. But again, the Cougars are the third-most cared about team in that town behind Texas and A&M. To boot, Houston is an absolute joke academically (they make Mississippi State look smart).

TDave

June 12th, 2010
11:07 pm

Here’s another point.

The SEC schools made $17 million + after the media revenues were divvied up. Why would we want to allow other schools to come in and take a piece of that pie (therein making our share’s smaller?) ESPN and CBS haven’t made any assurances that we’d be able to re-negotiate the contract in the event of expansion.

If we can’t re-work the deal, we’ve added two (or four) more teams to share in our revenues and we’ll be negating any financial advantage the ESPN deal gave our teams over the rest of the country.

I’ll say this much… I like the SEC at 12 teams. We all get along in a dysfunctional way. I’m a Georgia fan and hate the Gators as much as the next guy. But… I want to see Florida do well. Same goes for every other SEC member.

We’ve got a great thing going. Why screw it up?

Texas will probably wind up driving the Pac 16 into the ground, just like its done every other conference that dared bring it on board. No to A&M. No to Texas. Yes to being the best conference in the country.

braves70

June 13th, 2010
12:15 am

I think Kentucky would put a big NO on Louisville joining the SEC. It does look as though the SEC has decided to stay away from any ACC schools. Texas A&M will likely join the SEC next week. Who would the other new team be? I wonder if West Virginia might be a good fit. If not, Missouri might be the right call for the other slot.

Simple Techster

June 13th, 2010
5:57 am

Trying to catch up on some comments…..

1). I think the SEC should definitely pursue Texas A&M. Huge following, Texas market, good academic school. I dont know what their basketball or baseball programs are like, but it sounds like a win-win. But if that plan fails, and I am assuming that Texas is saying no, then why not TCU? Dont know about their basketball program, but you cant argue that their football program has improved significantly, their baseball program is doing well, and joining the SEC gives them the opportunity to upgrade facilities and programs. Just a thought….

2). I now see the logic in the SEC not grabbing teams from states they are already in, i.e. Clemson, FSU, GT, Miami. Lets say they get Missouri and Texas A&M. Puts them at 14. I say forget Texas and make a full charge at Oklahoma. Convince them to ditch Texas. Can you imagine the Sooners matching up with the Gators, the Bulldogs and the Tide every year…sell that to them and show them how crazy it is to make West Coast trips to play the Huskies, Trojans, Bears and UCLA. Stay in the south boys. Lets say that happens….who is #16? I think they should go after WVU. Personal opinion.

3). I think the ACC should move NOW. Raid the Big East and go full speed after Rutgers, UCONN, Pitt and Syracuse. Act quickly and grow stronger before everyone else does. The Big East is a disaster with different setups for different sports, this has to make a great selling point. And SEC fans, you have to agree that the ACC is a better conference than the Big East.

4). I havent seen too much discussion on what everyone thinks about the BCS if the superconferences become reality. If the Pac 16 does come about and begins to demand two teams in the BCS….then the Big 10 jumps to 16 with the SEC following suit(most likely) and the ACC, Big East and MWC following suit. With 4 to 5 super conferences….do they have the clout to end the BCS and develop a super conference playoff system to end the BCS controversy?

5). Does anyone else think its wrong for the FedEx guy offering a conference 10 mil a year to bring Memphis into the fold? One man with lots of money trying to buy a team its way in….it just seems wrong to me.

6). Come on guys…its early. Gotta do it once…..GEORGIA TECH WINS THE NC THIS YEAR!!!!!

Atlanta Gator

June 13th, 2010
7:24 am

TDave—-

Please do not over-interpret my comment regarding TCU: TCU only makes sense IF Texas A&M jumps to the SEC first.

TCU would also be my second choice after Missouri. Mizzou is a much bigger state school with greater resources, and a greater variety of solid sports programs.

If the SEC scooped up Texas A&M and Missouri, my reaction would be that the SEC should stand pat at 14, and only expand to 16 if the best opportunities present themselves elsewhere on the edges of the existing footprint, i.e., Texas, Virginia Tech, Florida State or North Carolina.

If Texas A&M joins the SEC, only Texas would add greater value among the Texas schools. Clemson would be a good choice only if the SEC needs to an even number for division balancing; the Tigers would add nothing to the footprint or national following. North Carolina State would add zip. Louisville and Cincinnati? Do we really want these schools? They really don’t add any substantial value, and just reduce the 1/x distribution of revenue to existing members. Ditto West Virginia.

Also, let’s stop spreading this myth that the University of Florida would “veto” Florida State joining the SEC. Demonstrably not true. It is greatly in Florida’s best interest for scheduling and other reasons to get FSU in the fold. Florida was FSU’s biggest proponent 20 years ago during SEC expansion negotiations. If FSU plays the same SEC schedule as Florida, it’s a level playing field in terms of strength of schedule, and FSU no longer would have a consistently easier conference schedule than Florida. Problem is, Bobby Bowden knew that, acknowledged it, and put the kibosh on FSU moving to the SEC.

Bottom line: any time FSU wants to join the SEC, Florida will be their best friend and sponsor. Public comments by Urban Meyer and Jeremy Foley reinforced exactly that same point earlier this week. If the Seminoles decide to step up, then it might make sense to take Clemson as a package deal to balance the divisions.

Atlanta Gator

June 13th, 2010
7:33 am

Just a random thought . . .

IF the SEC expands to 16 teams,

AND IF Clemson and Missouri are among the 4 schools added,

Then the SEC would have cornered the market on Division I football teams with a Tiger mascot. Maybe the SEC could have a Tigger Division or something.

brokebackvol

June 13th, 2010
7:56 am

Frankly, it is amazing all the wild conjecture about who the SEC will and will not “go after” if the conference needs to expand.

First off, I understand that it is all big business now, so tv markets, etc. are a big factor. However, the fandom is also a factor – and the Pac-Southwest conference would be a nightmare for their fandom – that is a heck of a long trip for a football game from Austin and College Station to Seattle. So proximity is a large factor.

Second of all, what is this “Florida will veto Florida State”? HOW DO YOU KNOW? They play them ANYWAY, it would really just make it a conference game. They go head to head in recruiting so I don’t see the big controversy there.

Lastly, I think the SEC would be best off to limit expansion to teams that are in the Southeast, or east of the Mississippi. Why not Missouri, TX A&M, FSU, and Va Tech?

There ya go. And screw the Longhorns, we don’t need them or their arrogance.

Atlanta Gator

June 13th, 2010
8:03 am

brokebackvol—-

Exactly right regarding Florida and Florida State. Anytime the Seminoles want into the SEC, the Gators vote “aye.”

That having been said, you are aware that College Station, Texas, and Columbia, Missouri are both west of the Mississippi, right?

WTH

June 13th, 2010
8:19 am

>> 6). Come on guys…its early. Gotta do it once…..
>> GEORGIA TECH WINS THE NC THIS YEAR!!!!!
Well, just like UGA, we gotta dream, don’t we? :-)

Just wanted to add my perspective as a Tech alumnus / fan since 1976, since there’s been some speculation about some ACC teams being raided – anyone who thinks GT wouldn’t jump ship from the ACC in a heartbeat hasn’t been paying much attention.

Tech’s departure from the SEC has to rank in the top 20 of all-time stupid moves in college football. In one stroke, Bobby Dodd killed Tech’s local / sidewalk football fan base. Tech has NEVER recovered from it. Even today, GT can’t fill its stadium unless a big team is in town – and teams like Maryland, Virginia, Wake Forest, Duke, UNC, NC State, etc., don’t cut it. There is little fan excitement for the ACC schedule, beyond Clemson, VT, Miami, and FSU.

Even worse, Tech’s program is in financial trouble, although the administration is trying very hard to hide it. Dan Radakovich made a major miscalculation when the dumped the AT Fund for the Tech Fund – the shift in revenue hasn’t come close to balancing out. Supply exceeds demand, and the seat licensing model doesn’t work for us. So now Tech needs more money, and lots of it.

Any talk of the ACC’s superiority in academics, research, etc., being a better fit for Tech is just that – talk. NO ONE CARES, especially in the Tech administration. As any Tech graduate can attest, “money talks and B.S. walks” at Ma Tech, and right now the athletic program needs more money.

Personally, I’d love to see Tech jump to another conference. Face it, Tech has a lot of football tradition, Tech is a team that other teams’ fans love to hate, and Tech can play competitively in any conference in the country. That means lots more ticket sales, and maybe an end to the perpetual ho-hum schedules that Tech deals with in the ACC.

So, just my $0.02. The current fuss over conference realignment beats any soap opera by a country mile. :-)

GR82BAG8R

June 13th, 2010
8:22 am

For all you history revisionists, when the SEC considered whether to invite Georgia Tech back in, the vote was 1 yes (Alabama), 1 abstain (Georgia) and the rest no. Bear Bryant wanted to kick both Mississippi schools and Vanderbilt out and put Tech back in. Vince Dooley abstained for obvious reasons.

That being said, today is much different than the late 70’s. Georgia Tech simply is not big time football, either in stadium size or attendance. That is simply a fact, not a criticism of the quality of Tech’s program, just its size and therefore revenue potential. Tech does not belong in the SEC. It belongs with like-minded schools that, due to academics will limit its ability to compete.

If the SEC is going to expand, I would rather see Clemson/Florida State or like sized stadium/attendance/proximity schools join the conference than Texas. A conference name should mean something. Texas is not in the Southeast.

bertzilla

June 13th, 2010
8:33 am

Don’t mess with Texas….it’s not nice to pick on the mentally challenged.

Texas born Texas raised

June 13th, 2010
8:35 am

The TCU talk sounds good for the SEC. But better to keep the Big 12 together. Move OK and OKST to the north. Add TCU and H-town to the south. The SWC will come back to life. And make the Big 12 champ in the BCS Nat. champ every year. SEC fans always take about how tuff the conf. is week in and week out. Is it in all sports or just football. Did any of the SEC fans care about the SEC showing ih in the college world series? Softball

TDave

June 13th, 2010
8:39 am

Here’s the best idea:

1) Drop South Carolina from the SEC

2) Add Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech and Baylor from the Big XII

3) Lock down the state of Texas by adding Rice, SMU, TCU, and Houston.

4) Put all the Texas schools and Arkansas in a new conference. We’ll call it the Southwest Conference or something like that.

Mitchell

June 13th, 2010
8:42 am

Texas will never go to the SEC.
Why on earth would they want to align themselves with that bunch of skank “schools”?

Beast from the East

June 13th, 2010
8:56 am

My opinion has changed several times.
I now think we should go after A&M, Missouri, FSU and Loiusville.
A&M and Missouri for all the reasons mentioned above. FSU for obvious reasons. Louisville would add a rival for UK and help strengthen our basketball brand. If you can’t get FSU then I would say Clemson.
Who really knows?

jasont13

June 13th, 2010
8:59 am

Just last night on ESPN that the SEC has not interest in asking Clemson, Florida State, Miami, and Georgia Tech to join the conference. If Texas and Texas A&M doesn’t join, I don’t see the SEC adding any teams.

Beast from the East

June 13th, 2010
9:00 am

Texas born,
Of course we care about the CWS….both in baseball and softball. I understand UT had a rabid fan base. So does almost every team in the SEC.
TDave,
Why would we want to drop South Carolina? Rabid football fans, great baseball program. Competitive in most other sports. They have proven to be a good addtion to the conference. I don’t see us dropping anyone.

jasont13

June 13th, 2010
9:00 am

I say no to having Louisville join the conference. They can’t sell out their stadium.

Beast from the East

June 13th, 2010
9:03 am

jason,
Don’t you think that would change when they play Kentucky, Florida, Bama, UGA, Tennessee, Auburn, LSU, etc? I sure do. If nothing else, you’d have 10,000 from those schools traveling to Louisville.

jasont13

June 13th, 2010
9:09 am

I’m a UGA alum, live in Louisville and work for U of L’s athletic department. Spoke to one of the AD’s the other day and he said they (as a group of AD’s and coaches) have met and they won’t zero part of the SEC. I honestly do not think they (U of L) could compete year end and year out with the SEC.

jasont13

June 13th, 2010
9:11 am

Also, what does Louisville bring to the SEC when it comes to revenue? You already have the Eastern Kentucky market. Indianapolis? Most U of L graduates stay in Louisville or Western Kentucky. This is not really a college football town. The NFL and college basketball rule this town. There were more in attendance for a Louisville scrimmage basketball game than the U of L vs Syracuse football game.

SEC # 1

June 13th, 2010
9:22 am

Getting A&M would be great……Houston still would not be a bad option to bring another Texas school if you do not get UT. Someone mentioned they are not strong academically….outside of Vandy we in the SEC can not start running down any shcool for what they offer acedemically…..when I think of the SEC brand and Texas schools I think football first, and that is what this about, and owe yea the $$$ too.

Atlanta Gator

June 13th, 2010
9:23 am

BTW, for those of you who don’t believe money is driving this realignment madness, I finally found the numbers I was looking for this morning:

Projected 2010 conference television revenue:

1. SEC $205 million ($17 million per member)

2. Big Ten $165 million ($15 million per member)

3. ACC $155 million ($12.9 million per member)

And the wild-a$$ gue$$ for the new Pac-16?

4. Pac-X $256 million ($16 million per member)

That would put the new Pac-X slightly below the SEC and slightly above the Big Ten (12). We shall see.

http://azstarnet.com/sports/article_6f10c8b9-367d-539c-bb52-d7e82cc8b850.html

Beast from the East

June 13th, 2010
9:29 am

Atlanta Gator,
Did you happen to catch the baseball game last night. Miami sure did give us a gift with those errors late in the game, but we’ll take it!
Omaha bound!!!!!!

Atlanta Gator

June 13th, 2010
9:33 am

SEC #1—-

Not sure where your alumni roots are planted, but the SEC does not to add any Tier 3 schools. Allowances are made for Ole Miss and Mississippi State because they are original members of the SEC, but Vanderbilt (17th), Florida (47th), Georgia (58th), Auburn (88th) and Alabama (96th) all rank above the bottom half of the new Pac-16. Texas A&M and Missouri makes sense on the basis of academics, new major television markets and expanding the footprint, and Florida State would make sense on the basis of national name recognition and following, but Bobby Bowden and the Seminoles rejected a tacit SEC offer during the last round of SEC expansion in the early 1990s. Florida wants FSU in the SEC, but there’s no reason to believe FSU has altered its strategic thinking on point.

Cincinnati and Louisville are Tier 3 schools that rarely sell out their home games and whose fans don’t travel. Unless prospective new SEC members generate more television revenue, expansion for the sake of expansion does not make financial sense.

Atlanta Gator

June 13th, 2010
9:38 am

Beast—-

Give credit where credit is due. Kevin O’Sullivan seems to have the Gators peaking at the right time for a good College World Series run this year. Maybe this is our year.

BTW, the Gators track team finished second to Texas A&M in the NCAA national outdoor championship meet yesterday, too. Little disappointed in the result after the Gators won the NCAA national indoor meet, but maybe Gators baseball will give us our third national championship of 2009-2010.

The Gators are a lock for the SEC All-Sports Trophy again this year, and we should finish high in the Directors’ Cup standings again for best Division I sports program.

Roll, Gators, roll.

: )

SEC # 1

June 13th, 2010
9:46 am

UGA …but I thought the discussion was about football and money….we love to say we are the best football conference and we are, and run down the Big 10(in name only) ACC, Big East, but the ACC when it comes to football, but they are all stronger academically top to bottom….we are not lining up with SAT scores…this is about football this is what the Wal-Mart Dawg, gator,tide,& Vol fan cares about & I checked Houston will be Tier 1 in 18 months……what is the schedule for Ole Miss …You know who cares….this is about growing our football brand and keeping up with the race for dollars.

RedGA Dawg

June 13th, 2010
10:01 am

Maybe if SEC has to increase in numbers best fit is TX A&M, OK and Miami, VA Tech, gives conference S FL, DC-VA-MD, Dallas TV markets. Three of four are state Land Grant U’s with passionate fans and great high school talent. Good move for all. Why does SEC need GA Tech who is way # 2 in ATL market, Clemson or FSU bring no more TV penetration nor would a NC school help.

Statcat

June 13th, 2010
10:26 am

Nice try Tony. Texas is like Notre Dame they don’t need the SEC. They can pick any
conference and get accepted. SEC’s best bet is to add disgruntled little sister(A&M)
and 3 teams from the soon to be defunct Big 12. I would say 3 teams from the ACC
but I don’t think that would happen as they are a snooty academic bunch first and
foremost. As good a football conference the SEC is, they have let the PAC 10 and
Big 10 get the jump on them and won’t have much to choose from when all is said
and done.

GTAlpharetta

June 13th, 2010
10:36 am

Georgia Tech to the SEC – then things will be the way they should be and Atlanta will be a 100% SEC town. Then the dawg fans will have no excuses when Tech has a better record than UGA or beats UGA – we will be in the same conference. Happy Days are on the way!

travy

June 13th, 2010
11:21 am

again, great comments here. really like the sound of the aggies and missouri. the aggies football culture is a nice fit in the sec and missouri is just a great state university that would class up the joint a bit. also like 14 teams instead of 16 unless we can score one of the elephants in the room like texas or oklahoma. don’t think we need them though.

Yeppie

June 13th, 2010
11:37 am

The espn headlines read
The SEC wants Texas but will consider atm, missouri if not able to get Texas.

Yeppie

June 13th, 2010
11:40 am

The aggies ego again takes another hit. They are the want to be like the longhorns so they do the publicity stunt. Then the SEC even states “if not Texas” then will have to SETTLE for atm.

Yeppie

June 13th, 2010
11:50 am

MUST READ ARTICLE. For those who do not think ACADEMICS are not part of the factors being considered should read this article.
By the way, Texas and OU made over 20 million in TV revenue last year. On average the other big 12 schools only made thier portion. ATTACHED LINK BELOW> Good reading.

http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1093756

Delbert D.

June 13th, 2010
11:56 am

Houston jumping from Tier 4 to Tier 1 in less than 2 years is not likely. The largest single factor (25%) is peer assessment by presidents, admission deans, etc. I’m not sure that they change their current impression on evaluators that quickly. The other major criteria are metrics: 20% on student retention, 15% on faculty resources, and 15% on student selectivity (UH accepts 79%…U of Georgia accepts 56% for comparison).

Delbert D.

June 13th, 2010
11:59 am

ESPN TV last night had a quick segment on Kansas, Kansas St., and Missouri possibly going to the Mountain West. I had the sound down low, so I don’t know how likely that is.

Yeppie

June 13th, 2010
12:01 pm

University of Houston could be a commuter school. Similiar to the FIU or South Florida. Houston market is
1. Texas
2. atm
3. LSU/Houston

Yeppie

June 13th, 2010
12:03 pm

Houston would not be a great value. Sad but true.

Yeppie

June 13th, 2010
12:06 pm

Delbert
Glad your on the blog.
You have to read this article.
http://texas.rivals.com/

Delbert D.

June 13th, 2010
12:12 pm

Yeppie – I found this very interesting”

“The dissenters on the regents board are concerned about the academic standards in the SEC and if Texas A&M would be taking a step backward as opposed to aligning with valued research institutions such as Cal and Stanford in the Pac-10. But sources say the regents have agreed not to drop admission standards for student-athletes, regardless of the standards of other SEC schools.

“Sources also say A&M feels it would immediately be the top research institution in the SEC as opposed to having to fight for that distinction with Texas in the Big 12.”

$570 million in research speaks loudly.

Yeppie

June 13th, 2010
12:12 pm

pasted a published article

Let’s not make things more complicated than they are. In the end, Texas A&M is sick and tired of living in the large shadow of the University of Texas.

Sick and tired of Texas’ success and money. Sick and tired of the never-ending arms race for newer and better facilities.

Forget those arguments about travel and culture and television revenues. If Texas A&M jumps to the Southeastern Conference, it’ll be because the Aggies have had enough of being compared to and defined by the Longhorns.

At least Gene Stallings has had the guts to say — or to hint strongly — what a lot of other Aggies are thinking.

Can you blame him? How would you like to be constantly compared to a football program that sells more tickets and merchandise, raises more money and wins more games than almost any other in the nation?

Please don’t write and tell me about golf and tennis. This is about football, and the Aggies aren’t competitive. Texas A&M has become The Other School in Texas, and to thousands of A&M fans, to those who contribute millions and care deeply, this is galling.

They’re embarrassed by the empty seats at Kyle Field and the budget deficits, and they’re really, really tired of losing recruits and games to Texas.

Some of them have surveyed the landscape and decided it’s time to try their luck elsewhere. No matter what the Southeastern Conference might offer in competitive challenges, it can’t be worse than life with Texas and Oklahoma.

The Aggies aren’t beating those two teams now and probably won’t be beating them any time soon. They haven’t finished higher than third in the Big 12 South since 1999, haven’t finished ahead of Texas since 1998.

In the last 10 years, Texas has beaten A&M eight times by an average of 22 points. The Aggies haven’t been in the Top 10 for the Thanksgiving weekend game since 1999.

In the last six seasons, Texas has played in four BCS bowls, including two that decided the national championship. A&M has played in one BCS bowl — in 1999.

Yeppie

June 13th, 2010
12:16 pm

I think someone should memo the aggies
“The grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence.”

Yeppie

June 13th, 2010
12:19 pm

DELBERT.
So when people claim academics do not have a role in the conference alignments. NOT TRUE. It is not a driving factor but it is considered in the complete decision process.

As I stated early in the blog… College football money is chump change when compared to grants, research funding, etc…

Delbert D.

June 13th, 2010
12:24 pm

Yeppie- While reading the article that I clipped quote from, I was surprised to find that Texas’ president is a Cal-Berkeley grad. No wonder he’s pushing for the PAC-10. He really knows the value to Texas in associating with Cal, Stanford, UCLA and USC.

Yeppie

June 13th, 2010
12:29 pm

Delbert
Your a wise man. You see the whole picture.. Football revenue initiated the conf alignment. However, the variable that tilts the decision is the research.
When Samsung, Medtronic, Dell, federal govt, nasa needs research that is HUGE. So the Cal-Berkeley, Stanfords, Texas (Large School-top law, business, medical in the country) who will get the research money.

Yeppie

June 13th, 2010
12:32 pm

I just laugh at atm. Why??? They want to separate from riding the coat tails of Texas, yet want to schedule Texas every year to play Texas. What a joke. Glad Texas told thier “want to be” counter part no and if you separate, lets truly cut all strings….

Yeppie

June 13th, 2010
12:43 pm

If you really want to expand the picture. Central Texas is called “the silicon valley of the south”. IBM, Dell, SamSung, etc.. Then throw in the migration of St. Jude medical and other medical companies. That could be more research money. Then realize Texas will still get the top recruits in country to compete. Does not seem Texas will really listen to the SEC. Will give a polite ear, but all sign point to the west.

Yeppie

June 13th, 2010
12:44 pm

No offense to the SEC. Still the best football conference… But will have to follow the money trail.

Techman

June 13th, 2010
12:44 pm

orangeblood is reporting Beebe is making a strong push to keep remaining 10 members, guaranteeing them they will make the $17 mil SEC teams currently receive.

Delbert D.

June 13th, 2010
12:45 pm

I hope we don’t see the end of the Red River Rivalry with Oklahoma in the unlikely event that the Sooners don’t go to the PAC-10.

Yeppie

June 13th, 2010
12:47 pm

Techman
Good info. Sound like Beebe is on the titanic??? I wish the big 12 would stay together. As it was a constant Big 12 South versus the SEC in the BCS champ game every year. I think Beebe is to late…???

Yeppie

June 13th, 2010
12:49 pm

The red river rivalry is a one of kind. Rates with some of the best. Florida versus Georgia, etc…What makes the red river unique is the neutral field. Nobody truly has home field advantage.

Delbert D.

June 13th, 2010
12:50 pm

Techman – Well, he has to do that; I’ve been on a sinking ship, too. I think the SEC will be in a better TV $$$ position with Texas A&M in the SEC. All of those contracts will be renegotiated after the realignments.

Yeppie

June 13th, 2010
12:52 pm

I think the Missouri TV market is over-rated. That area is not a college football mega. Sorta like a Northeast market.. More into Pro football and Baseball.

Delbert D.

June 13th, 2010
12:54 pm

Georgia-Florida is a neutral site, too. It chafes a bit on the Georgia fan base, but it gives some opportunity to the lower half of the state (largest state east of the Mississippi).

Dostoyevskiy

June 13th, 2010
12:55 pm

Why it is unlikely that any team from the ACC will bolt for the SEC, and why the original members, plus GaTech will definitely not bolt: The alumni of UNC, Duke, Wake, NCState, and UVa are all related to one another. They are all family. They go way, way back. And while they might not like each other, they are still “blood kin”, and you know how thick blood is. Clemson fits in here as well, with the blood ties being only a bit weaker. MD belongs to this group just because of its long tradition in the ACC. MD BB is a strong link in the history of ACC BB, and this link is unlikely to be unbroken. I think that UM, BC, and FSU, are also unlikely to reverse course, in large part, because they belong academically (or strive to belong, in the case of FSU). This is not a snub of the SEC or any other conference, it is just what it is.

Yeppie

June 13th, 2010
12:57 pm

OU needs Texas. Needs Texas to have a footprint in the recruiting area. Albeit, they would still be a contender to any conference. However, giving OU a footprint in the SEC recruiting area could be good for OU too??

Yeppie

June 13th, 2010
12:58 pm

DElbert.
Your right. I was wrong. I did not realize Georgia and Florida played on a neurtal field.

Delbert D.

June 13th, 2010
1:01 pm

Good point about Missouri…Both pro sports teams on both sides of the state. Looks like they may go to the Mountain West. They seriously and publicly pursued the Big Ten but got turned down. If the Mountain West picks up at least 2 Big-12 teams, I think they get the BCS automatic bid.

Atlanta Gator

June 13th, 2010
1:08 pm

Yeppie—-

Do you have any grasp of what it means to be a “research university?” Really?

With the possible exception of the Big Ten, which actually cooperate in academic endeavors off the playing field, athletic conferences have absolutely zero to do with government and privately-sponsored research at major universities.

As a major research university, Texas already has a bigger sponsored research budget than all of the soon-to-be-former Big XII schools and all but a small handful of the Pac-10 schools. Texas will do fine wherever she lands in the realignment.

As for Texas A&M, it is a fine first-tier national research university in its own right, and I believe the vast majority of the SEC member schools would accept her with open arms. Would the SEC like to have Texas, too? No doubt, but we will muddle through as the highest per-member television revenue conference in the country. Enjoy the drive to Tempe, Los Angeles and Pullman. If you think Texas is big, can’t wait until you make the drive from L.A. to Seattle.

Oh, and by the way, don’t forget that two SEC universities are rated as equal or better to Texas, and both have stiffer admissions standards.

Atlanta Gator

June 13th, 2010
1:09 pm

Yeppie—-

For all the ex cathedra pronouncements you seem to be making on this blog, you some not to know many SEC basics.

Yeppie

June 13th, 2010
1:14 pm

Atlanta Gator.
Valid point. I am learning a lot about the SEC. Have always knew the SEC as top football program. That is why I ask questions and when I am wrong I will admit it granted fact based proven.

Atlanta Gator

June 13th, 2010
1:16 pm

Delbert D.—-

It’s never good to be the most over-eager rushee at the rush party. Missouri is being played right now by the Big Ten. Preliminary interest will be expressed by the Big Ten, but when it comes time to pick the last member of the new Big Ten (16), Notre Dame will be given one last chance to join before any bid goes to Mizzou. The Big Ten’s hope is that the Big East somehow collapses during realignment, driving ND into the arms of the Big X as a home for ND’s other sports. Current speculation has the Big X scooping up Syracuse, Rutgers and possibly Pitt, gutting the core of the Big East’s football. Jim Delany clearly has a plan to get ND into the fold yet.

Atlanta Gator

June 13th, 2010
1:20 pm

Interesting spelling of “Dostoyevskiy.”

Speaking as a UVa alumnus, most of us would gladly change conferences, but we see our natural alternative as the only public university in a certain 8-member athletic conference to the northeast.

Yeppie

June 13th, 2010
1:20 pm

Notre dame will not have a choice but to join a conference. If atm is not careful they could find themselves looking for a home too. atm is not a Notre dame. However, atm is a very strong player, but not a Notre Dame. I do not like Notre Dame but they are a big player in grand scheme. Delany is setting it up for Notre Dame to have to join.

Delbert D.

June 13th, 2010
1:22 pm

Atlanta Gator – With the obvious exception of Pullman, whose next closes city is Moscow, Idaho, I think that the rest of the current PAC-10 destinations are worth a 4-day weekend. I don’t think Atlanta is, and I’ve lived here for a very long time. Florida is, obviously.

Atlanta Gator

June 13th, 2010
1:28 pm

Delbert D.—-

If everything y’all know to be true only were . . . again, let’s get our facts straight. Largest states east of the Mississippi

1. Florida – 65,795 square miles

2. New York – 54,555 square miles

3. North Carolina – 53,865 square miles

4. Georgia – 52,425 square miles

Georgia was known as the “Empire State of the South” (echoing New York’s nickname), not because it was the biggest state, but rather because of its many, many small town geographically dispersed across its territory.

Yeppie

June 13th, 2010
1:29 pm

Pac travel would not be an issue from the football setting. Assume the former big 12 south becomes pac east. That just increases the schedule from the previous 6 to 8. Have to travel to AZ. Then twice a year to CA, WA or Orgeon. No worse than Florida to LSU. Add in Florida to atm-College Station. May be cheaper to fly into metro areas than have to catch a second flight into small college towns.

Yeppie

June 13th, 2010
1:31 pm

Atlanta Gator
Got a question. Where does the majority of people live in Florida. South or North FLorida???

Yeppie

June 13th, 2010
1:32 pm

Correction.. where do the majority of the population of people reside in Florida? North or South Florida??

Delbert D.

June 13th, 2010
1:34 pm

Atlanta Gator – We were lied to since the 1st grade! It never occurred me to have to validate that.

Yeppie

June 13th, 2010
1:35 pm

The drive from Texas to west coast??? not going to happen. Not driving through the rockies unless distracted by sking adventures. Not driving I-10 as Las Vegas will end the adventure. It will have to a flight. Although, CA has lots to offer too in a visit.

Atlanta Gator

June 13th, 2010
1:37 pm

Yeppie—-

Texas A&M is far stronger in terms of academics, dollar-value of sponsored research and its endowment than Florida’s second school, Florida State. Florida and Texas are more or less equivalent in everything except endowment (state oil royalties do matter), but the gap between second sisters (or little brothers, if you prefer) is pronounced. The gap between Texas and Texas A&M is far narrower than the gap between Florida and Florida State.

In Georgia, the policy decision was made to go with a division of labor between the two major universities. Georgia is the predominant liberal arts, social sciences and business college, whereas Georgia Tech is the predominant hard sciences and engineering school. In terms of the student population and diversity of academic programs, you would have to combine UGA and Tech to get the same bundle as a Texas or Florida. Not ragging on either UGA or Tech, both are outstanding in their own areas of strength; they just have a different evolutionary history than some of the other major state universities.

Yeppie

June 13th, 2010
1:42 pm

This would be fun to watch. Would never happen.
I would like to see the Notre Dames, Cincinnati, Boise of this college world to play in the SEC or the former Big 12 south. Tired of their consistent weak schedule. They could not play two teams rated in the top 10 back to back and win.
You all take care… Off to watch some baseball. Super regionals. Like MLB… really do not follow every game until it is World Series time.

Atlanta Gator

June 13th, 2010
1:42 pm

The vast majority of Floridians live in the one-third of the state south of Orlando. Jacksonville is the only “major” metropolitan area north of Orlando. Pensacola and Tallahassee are relatively small in comparison.

Here’s a major misconception, though, even among Floridians: more people live in the Tampa Bay area (Tampa, St. Petersburg, Clearwater, Sarasota, Bradenton, etc.) than live in South Florida (Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties). Miami, Fort Lauderdale and Palm Beach are more bling-bling and get more media attention, but Tampa Bay has more bodies. Nevertheless, we are unlikely to ever see “Tampa CSI” in the CBS prime-time line-up.

Atlanta Gator

June 13th, 2010
1:46 pm

Delbert D.—-

You have to do some fancy counting to get Florida and Georgia to equivalent landmass areas—-basically, you have to exclude the area of all of Florida’s many inland freshwater lakes before the numbers start to look similar. Lake Okeechobee by itself is about the size of metro Atlanta.

ryan

June 13th, 2010
1:47 pm

The travel rigors for the PAC 16 would be mostly irrelevant for football. That’s four weekends out of an entire year per team. It’s just not that significant.

But the travel for all of the non-revenue sports would be horrendous. Imagine all of those Texas schools having to fly their baseball, softball, volleyball, tennis, golf, gymnastics and swim teams all over the place. that kind of cost would be significant.

And as much as some here want to bust on the SEC towns, the cost to take your team to Tuscaloosa is nothing compared to going to Los Angeles.

Truthfully, the Big 12 would be very smart to stay together.

Delbert D.

June 13th, 2010
1:49 pm

Atlanta Gator – Been to Bern’s Steak House?

Atlanta Gator

June 13th, 2010
1:51 pm

BTW, where did that driveby wise guy Mitchell go?

“Skank schools,” eh? Did you realize that Vanderbilt, Florida, Georgia, Auburn and Alabama are all ranked ahead of eight or more of the schools in the new Pac-16? Did you realize that the new Pac-10 will have more Tier 3 schools than the SEC?

I guess not, eh, Mitch?

Atlanta Gator

June 13th, 2010
1:54 pm

Delbert D.—-Worked in Tampa for a year after grad school before I moved to Atlanta. Bern’s? Great steak, better wine list, cigars and deserts, but the interior of the main dining room looks like a Beaux Art French bordello.

Personally, I prefer the steak and the oil paintings of the Dogs Playing Poker in the backroom at Bone’s.

Atlanta Gator

June 13th, 2010
1:56 pm

Damn. Now, I’m misspelling words in another language. That should read “Beaux Arts French bordello.”

Atlanta Gator

June 13th, 2010
2:02 pm

ryan—-

Exactly. The real burden will be on all of the Pac-X sports other than football. Football will play an 8 or 9-game conference schedule, and 7 of those will be divisional games. Baseball, basketball, gymnastics, softball, tennis, volleyball all play full conference home-away schedules. Cross country, golf and track & field typically have multiple group meets/tournaments. Oh, yeah, and the Pac-10 fields more sports than the 21 fielded by the SEC. The Pac-X is going to need more television revenue just to cover the travel costs of their non-major sports teams.

Delbert D.

June 13th, 2010
2:05 pm

ryan – I’m not talking about the cost to the teams. You’re right on that one. My point was about vacation destinations for those fans who have the means to travel to away games. I used to live in the Bay Area, and if my team were Texas for example, I’d make it at least a 4-day weekend. Same for a trip to Oregon and Washington (for the Portland and Seattle areas.) Not such a big fan of the LA area. Once you’ve done it once, it’s not that much fun. The best was Catalina Island and the lift in Palm Springs.

Delbert D.

June 13th, 2010
2:12 pm

Atlanta Gator – Berns…got the kitchen tour, interesting, with the fish tank, etc. You hit the nail on the decor. First time I walked in I wondered, what the heck kind of place is this? The upstairs dessert compartments are unique, at least in my experience, with the chained-down stainless steel menus. Back in the late ’80s, the location was “industrial”, to put it nicely.

Delbert D.

June 13th, 2010
2:19 pm

I just checked, and Mark Bradley’s got a blog going on this.

Atlanta Gator

June 13th, 2010
2:19 pm

All kidding aside, the true highlight of Bern’s is its wine list and cellar. They’ve been rated as one of the top 10 wine cellars by Wine Spectator for about umpty-zillion years. The reason the wine lists were chained to the table was their wealthy wine aficionado patrons kept stealing them—-apparently reprinting a 200-page hardcover wine list get expensive. LOL

Atlanta Gator

June 13th, 2010
2:20 pm

Yeah, no doubt Mark Bradly will turn conference realignment into a Gators-vs-Dawgs conflict so he can increase his blog hits. LOL

Yeppie

June 13th, 2010
3:05 pm

HOLD EVERYTHING… The big 12 may stay together. Only as a 10 team member.
Feelers out to Arkansas to join the Big 12 conf. Then realign the North and South. Will consider putting OU in North conference and keep Texas in the South. Drop Missouri and pick up BYU or Utah.

Something is happening behind close doors. Some real shockers will unfold soon.

Yeppie

June 13th, 2010
3:18 pm

Jerry Jones wants his arkansas to be connected to the State of Texas. Rather wants more games played at his new stadium…. The big 12 may remain.

Delbert D.

June 13th, 2010
3:23 pm

Tom Osborne quote from the news conference:

“We may have to fly a little more, the connections will be a little bit better,” Osborne said. “We will not spend any more time on the road — maybe less.”

Similar for the PAC-xx ?
———————————————–
Washington (Seattle)
Wash. St. (Pullman; hmmm…)
Colorado (30 miles from Denver)
UCLA/USC (LAX or Ontario)
Stanford/Cal Berkely (SanFrancisco)
Arizona (Tempe/Phoenix)
Arizona St. (Tuscon,connections)
Oregon St. (Corvallis, 100 mi down I-5 from Portland)
Oregon (Eugene, 150 mi. down I-5 from Portland, (connections?)

Delbert D.

June 13th, 2010
3:25 pm

Yeppie – Huh? Where did you get that from? By the way, I’m having a Shine Bock at this moment.

Delbert D.

June 13th, 2010
3:26 pm

*Shiner*. I guess it shows in my typing….

CFB is an Industry

June 13th, 2010
4:03 pm

Couldn’t disagree more with this article – I can’t blame Texas for not even considering SEC membership, in fact, there are tons of good reasons not to (small TV markets, poor academics, saturated recruiting turf, a potential encroachment on Texas’ rich recruiting base)….furthermore, a Pac-16 (with Texas and A&M in it) is an absolute threat to the SEC. You’d then have a conference with better academics [translation: richer schools (Stanford's endowment is larger than the SEC members' coffers - COMBINED)], larger TV markets, and the 2 most fertile recruiting grounds in California and Texas. If football finally goes to a playoff and there’s an extra $600 million in profits to be had (as Jim Delany has insinuated) – who’d be in the best position to profit? – I’ll go with the schools with the money to infuse into athletics. Believe me, if this become a spending war the SEC can’t keep up without richer members. If I were them I’d roll out the red carpet for A&M (top level research school, Houston market, huge endowment) and stop making self-aggrandizing statements about how Texas is preferred but A&M will do – not getting a foothold in Texas would be a huge mistake.

Tide Rising

June 13th, 2010
4:49 pm

In all this talk about expansion does has anybody heard anything about what will happen with traditional cross division rivalries if we expand to 14 or 16 teams? It would really suck to lose great rivalries like Bama-UT or AU-UGA, etc. I would also be very disappointed to be playing someone like georgia or florida only twice every 12 years instead of 4 times every 10 years. For Bama fans picking up someone like Texas A&m every year and losing UT or playing Georgia and Florida so rarely would be huge losses for us. I suspect Georgia, AU, and other fans would also be equally disappointed in losing some permanent rivalries or in playing some existing rivalries on such a sporadic basis. Anyone know how this would all work out as far as losing traditional rivalries or playing them much more infrequently?

Dostoyevskiy

June 13th, 2010
5:05 pm

Atlanta Gator, my name, Dostoyevskiy, is based upon a transliteration of the Cyrillic into Latin characters. The transliteration system I have used is the same one used throughout the US govt. Hope my explanation was edifying.

Atlanta Gator

June 13th, 2010
5:28 pm

Well, there you have it.

There was crime, and there was punishment.

I have been edified.

Atlanta Gator

June 13th, 2010
5:34 pm

Tide Rising—-

Hypothetically, if the SEC were to expand to 14 members with the two new members in the west, Auburn is the logical candidate to shift to the Eastern Division. In that event, obviously Alabama and Auburn would want to protect their rivalry game, so the annual Alabama-Tennessee game would have to be sacrificed with a six-game divisional schedule plus only two opponents from the opposite division. There are no perfect solutions, and it would only get more complicated with a 16-team conference. Sadly, we lost the annual Auburn-Florida game with the most recent SEC conference schedule modifications.

On the other hand, if one or more members were added to the East . . . .

Atlanta Gator

June 13th, 2010
5:37 pm

TR—-

I don’t think you need to worry about the Tide only playing the Gators every 10-12 years. I suspect we will see you more frequently than that regardless of whether the SEC has 12, 14 or 16 teams.

= )

Atlanta Gator

June 13th, 2010
5:50 pm

CFB is an Industry—-

Your comments are not only exaggerated, they are sadly misinformed. Sure, Stanford, Berkeley, USC, UCLA are academically solid, but Arizona (102nd), Washington State (106th), Oregon (115th), Arizona State (121st), Oregon State (Tier 3–unranked), Oklahoma State (Tier 3 -unranked) and Texas Tech (Tier 3–unranked) are academic nobodies. And, as we all know from recent headlines, the Pac-10 has some relatively serious athletic integrity problems among their top-tier programs, too.

You do realize that USC’s little boo-boo represents the harshest NCAA sanctions since SMU football program received the so-called “death penalty” in 1986, right?

Tough to spout academic superiority when you can’t keep your athletics out of the NCAA ditch, but I do have two other questions for you:

1. When was the last time any of Stanford, Berkeley or UCLA were nationally relevant in either football or men’s basketball?

2. Refresh my memory, exactly what degrees did Reggie Bush and O.J. Mayo receive?

Academically superior, my graduate-degreed a$$.

Atlanta Gator

June 13th, 2010
5:54 pm

Yeppie—-

Why would the Razorbacks take a $5+ million revenue cut to join a cobbled together and politically unstable Big X?

Delbert D.

June 13th, 2010
6:02 pm

Atlanta Gator – Should I reapply my hammer here? I think you set it up nicely.

Atlanta Gator

June 13th, 2010
6:30 pm

Delbert D.—-

Nah. “These bloggers are like the buzzing of flies to Vigo.”

Yeppie

June 13th, 2010
6:57 pm

Here is a great website. This is why Texas like many other schools will now lower academic standards to make a SEC fit.

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools

Not a lot of SEC schools. Rare to find them in a top 5.

Yeppie

June 13th, 2010
6:58 pm

Granted, some schools in the SEC have sacrificed their lamb to be in the SEC. Nobody will lower standards but will be more than glad to make a lateral move.

Delbert D.

June 13th, 2010
7:00 pm

Atlanta Gator -
“It is not advisable, James, to venture unsolicited opinions. You should spare yourself the embarrassing discovery of the exact value to your listener.”

A.R.

Delbert D.

June 13th, 2010
7:06 pm

Yeppie – Actually, most sprung from the very old Southern Conference. Georgia Tech and Tulane left when there were more than lambs being led to the slaughter through the athletic scholarship practices of a minority of the schools.

Yeppie

June 13th, 2010
7:08 pm

Seems like Florida, has a solid academic and a great football program. Florida has to pull the SEC with them… Florida has the best football program and best academics rated among SEC schools. I find that interestiing.. Just having fun with you guys… My Horns lost in the super regional in Baseball to TCU.. TCU has two good pitchers. Okay on defense but good pitching staff. Just an fyi…

Yeppie

June 13th, 2010
7:09 pm

You all have a wonderful evening.

Delbert D.

June 13th, 2010
7:17 pm

Yeppie – Next week ought to be *real* interesting. See ya.

Yeppie

June 13th, 2010
7:21 pm

Take care Delbert. Enjoyed blogging with you. Nice to blog with someone that makes statements backed up with facts or with solid rationale. Off to watch the Celtics and Lakers. Like anybody cares about the NBA.
Your right.. Next week will be interesting. Take care..
PEACE…

Atlanta Gator

June 13th, 2010
9:20 pm

Nice. My ”Ghostbusters” quote is answered with one from “Atlas Shrugged.”

Game, set and match. You win.

SC Rules!!!

June 13th, 2010
10:34 pm

Tony,

Sorry but I have to disagree with you on his one. Texas DOESN’T need to listen too nor does it NEED the SEC. They will in fact take up with the PAC XVI for the 2012 season and the SEC will find that by the time “we” get out of time out they won’t be the “dawgs” of record anymore. Enjoy the “run” while we’re away. Hope y’all get a good laugh from the CRAP charges that y’all had the past four years to drum into the NCAA’s ear unrelentingly ’till they had no choice but to “believe that there was in fact fire for all the “smoke” y’all were blowin!

Now before any of y’all start puffin up about how “superior” y’all are, remember how many of y’all have been caught; HOW MANY TIMES?????

Fight On!

The Rational SEC Fan

June 13th, 2010
10:47 pm

SC Rules!!!

Put down the crack pipe and step away. Your favorite college just got hammered with the toughest NCAA sanctions since SMU’s football program received the “death penalty” in 1986. Can you say “lack of institutional control?” Thirty lost scholarships? Vacation of 14 wins, including the BCS title game? Likely vacation of the 2004 BCS championship and forfeiture of Reggie Bush’s Heisman Trophy when the NCAA appeals are exhausted?

Nobody’s buying what you’re selling. Go home.

Fight off. LOL

TDave

June 13th, 2010
10:48 pm

Yeppie, if the academic quality of your athletic conference plays such a huge role in research grant allotments, why are Washington State and Oregon State such pitiful schools?

I mean, they’ve been with the alongside the likes of Stanford and Berkeley since the Pac 8 days. Saying that grants are doled out according to where you play football shows that you don’t really know how grants get passed out.

I see Texas’ point. They want to be perceived by people as an institution that values higher education. Being in the Pac 10 will enable them to do that. For example, Georgia and Florida are becoming two of the best public universities in the country… yet they aren’t really mentioned in the same breath as Virginia, Michigan, Wisconsin, Texas, Cal, UCLA, etc. because they’re in the SEC.

Academics has some role to play. But reasons number 1 through 1 billion are the wheelbarrows full of cash they’ll make.

TDave

June 13th, 2010
10:55 pm

And speaking of money, it would behoove Texas to listen to what the SEC can offer. It’s widely known that the Longhorns want to start up their own TV network. It’s also widely known that the Pac 10 is doing this expansion in order to start their own TV network. At some point these ideas are going to clash.

Both conferences have a system that equally distributes conference media revenue (another reason that Texas may try and give the Big XII a shot at staying alive). However, the SEC would be the only conference able to allow Texas to start their own television network. Georgia made tons of money by signing a deal with ISP to broadcast UGA sporting events. That’s added on to the $17 million plus they received from conference earnings. Texas could make way more money in the SEC than it could in the Pac 10.

Yeppie, you’ve said some smart things on this blog, but I want to address this before you try and contradict it… athletics money is more important than academic money when it comes to conference expansion.

Dostoyevskiy

June 13th, 2010
10:56 pm

And there was also the “Idiot”.

Atlfan

June 13th, 2010
11:25 pm

Jesus-is-King

June 13th, 2010
11:41 pm

The proof is in the pudding.The real reason Texas and OU wants no part of everyday SEC life.Look at the Last two National Championship games.Florida and Alabama almost served jail time over those beatings.

Simple Techster

June 13th, 2010
11:42 pm

Atlanta Gator, according to the USGS

The 5 largest states according to LAND area east of the Mississippi:

#1-Georgia #2-Michigan #3-Illinois #4-Wisconsin #5- Florida.

When you include water, Michigan has 96,810 sq miles,Florida has 65,758 sq miles, Wisconsin has 65,503 sq miles, GA has 59,441 sq miles, and Illinois has 57,918 while New York has 54,475.

The size of Georgia according to the USGS is 57,919 square miles.
Georgia was given the nickname “Empire State of the South” after the Civil War once cotton farming declined and the economy exploded with wholesale/retail trade, textiles, corn, pecans, peaches, and peanut, not because of its geographically dispersed towns.

Sorry, not trying to start anything, but your facts were incorrect.
.

Simple Techster

June 13th, 2010
11:52 pm

Wait a sec….
Mr. CFB is an industry….

Now, i’m an ACC fan….but the SEC has more money in the coffers than any other conference. Big 10 is second, and the Pac 10 is third. Other than USC(which just got decimated by NCAA sanctions), Oregon, and Stanford in the past few years under Harbaugh,none of the Pac 10 teams have been relevant as of late. I believe that the SEC could survive simply staying at 12 members, where i’m not so sure that the Big 10 and the Pac 10 could say the same thing.

As far as states with the best athletes, I believe it is a fact that Georgia and Ohio are not far behind Texas and California as far as top athletes available year in and year out.

TDave

June 14th, 2010
12:16 am

You know what would stick a thorn in the side of “academically minded” Texas? If we added A&M and then plucked VT, GT, Clemson, and FSU from the ACC.

Now before you pass this up… I’m not advocating it from a football stand point.

A&M is ranked the 22nd best public university in the US according to USNWR. Virginia Tech is #29, Georgia Tech is #7, Clemson is #22, and Florida State (surprisingly) is #48.

IF we added those schools, it would mean that after Berkeley and UCLA (the nation’s two best public institutions of higher learning) the SEC would have a school ranked better or equal to the remaining Pac 16 members.

GT #7 v. UW #11
UF #15 v. Texas #15
UGA #21 v. CU #34
Clemson #22 v. OU #48
A&M #22 v. ZONA #48
VT #29 v. WSU #52
Auburn #39 v. Oregon #57
Alabama #43 v. ASU #60
FSU #48 v. OSU Third Tier Toilet
UT #52 v. other OSU Third Tier Toilet
SC #55 v. TTU Third Tier Toilet
LSU #64, Arkansas #64, and Kentucky #64

Even without the ACC schools, the average SEC school is just as good, if not better than the average Pac 16 team. This isn’t about academics… its just another opportunity for people to try and call Southerners stupid.

Let’s add A&M then grab those four from the ACC so that the new Pac 16 can kiss our hind quarters in both athletics AND academics.

The Rational SEC Fan

June 14th, 2010
12:30 am

Simple Techster—-

Here’s a table from USGS showing the area of land and the area of water within each state:

http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/wetstates.html

The only way that Michigan gets to 96,810 square miles is by including approximately half of Lake Michigan and Lake Huron (approximately 40,000 square miles), which are not “inland lakes.” That having been said, Michigan does indeed claim ownership of and sovereignty over those Great Lake areas. If you include those slices of the Great Lakes, then Michigan is in deed the largest state east of the Mississippi, Florida is second, Wisconsin is third and Georgia is fourth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_area

As for the origin of Georgia’s sometime nickname, “Empire State of the South,” I found two on-line sources that referenced the geographic size of the state and two that referenced its economic development in the 19th Century. No exactly scientific, but that would seem to represent a split of authority on the origins of the nickname. One of those sources actually cited Georgia as the “Yankee State of the South” because of its economic development. Yikes.

Simple Techster

June 14th, 2010
12:32 am

But TDave….

If you take Texas A&M then GT, Clemson, Florida State, and VT, that takes you from the 12 schools the SEC has now and takes you to 17 schools. Shouldnt have an odd number of schools if you can help it, better if you keep it even. Havent heard anyone talk about a 17 or 18 member conference….so would you add one to get to 18, subtract one to fall back to 16, or did you really want 17?

CFB is an Industry

June 14th, 2010
2:23 am

Ok, let’s break this down for people

First off Atlanta Gator, if you’re going to include TT and Ok St in the list of bad school in the Pac 16 (even though they’re officially members yet), then you need to include UT on the good schools list, that’s just a matter of being fair. For this argument, I’ll leave all schools that haven’t officially moved out of their respective “new” leagues

Second, as someone with a purported graduate degree, you should’ve known that US News undergrad rankings are the wrong metric to use – graduate research dollars and donations drive the profitability of the major schools, and are a much better measuring stick

However, even if we use your undergrad rankings, the SEC falls short

Pac-11: Tier 1: Stan (4), Cal (21), UCLA (24), USC (26), Wash (42)
Tier 2: Colo (77), the 4 schools you mentioned
Tier 3: Oregon St.
SEC: Tier 1: Vandy (17), UF (47), UGa (58 – borderlone, some folks would consider this Tier 2)
Tier 2: Aub (88), Ala (96), Tenn (106), S.Car (110), UK, Ark, LSU (128 -the LAST spot on Tier 2, borderline Tier 3)
Tier 3: Miss/Miss St.

So almost HALF the Pac-11 is in the top 50, while if US News used its old cut line of top 125 for the first tier, the SEC would have 5 Tier 3 schools out of 12. You don’t see a difference there?

If you use the proper metric, research dollars, 6 of the PAC-11 schools pulled in over 500MM dollars in 2007 (the latest year I could get data on) – the 5 Tier 1’s and (surprise!) Arizona. In fact, 8 of the Pac 11 schools are either Tier 1 or 2 research schools.

Texas and A&M both pulled in over 400MM in 2007, only UF and Vandy (399MM) reached that level. In fact, the SEC only has 3 schools in the top 2 research tiers, UF, Vandy, and UGA. For a reference of comparison, the Big “10″ has 11, the ACC has 9, and the Pac-11 has 8.

So yeah, the SEC falls a little short in that regard.

The scary thing is that those numbers don’t even mention endowment funds (money at the university’s disposal). Like I mentioned before, Stanford has a larger endowment than all 12 SEC schools combined. So while the SEC offices may have lots of working capital, they can easily be outspent by any of these rich institutions at a moment’s notice (Techster).

Keep the SEC in the southeast

June 14th, 2010
5:26 am

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Simple Techster

June 14th, 2010
5:35 am

I hear you, Mr. CFB is an industry….but if Stanford has this huge endowment, and i’m not trying to say that they dont…….then why dont they have a college football coach making 6 million a year and having them constantly in the top 10? Their last 4 coaches were Willingham(44-36-1), Teevens(10-23), Harris(6-17) and Harbaugh(current coach, current record is 17-19). Dont get me wrong, I enjoyed watching Stanford doing so well last year, I though they were going to beat Oklahoma in the Sun Bowl and i believe Harbaugh is doing a great job.

But, if Stanford has more money that the SEC combined, it looks like they arent willing to spend it on football. Sorry, but that seems pretty obvious to me. Just compare the records, lets say for the past decade, of Stanford versus Florida, Georgia, Auburn, Alabama, LSU, and even Georgia Tech, Clemson, FSU and Virginia Tech. Doesnt come close. If Stanfords endowment fund was applicable to football, then Stanford would have Urban Meyer or Nick Saban as their coach and the Pac 10 team with the dynasty in the past decade would be Stanford, not USC.

Simple Techster

June 14th, 2010
6:01 am

ESPN’s top 25 most prestigious programs(done in 2009)
SEC and ACC teams in CAPS
Teams being discussed in conference expansion rumors followed by ****
1).Oklahoma Sooners****
2).USC Trojans
3).Ohio State Buckeyes
4).Notre Dame Fighting Irish****
5).Nebraska Cornhuskers****(already moved to Big 10)
6).ALABAMA CRIMSON TIDE
7).Texas Longhorns****
8).Michigan Wolverines
9).FLORIDA STATE SEMINOLES****
10).MIAMI HURRICANES
11).Penn State Nittany Lions
12).TENNESSEE VOLUNTEERS
13).LSU TIGERS
14).GEORGIA BULLDOGS
15).FLORIDA GATORS
16).Ucla Bruins
17).Washington Huskies
18).GEORGIA TECH YELLOWJACKETS****
19).Arkansas Razorbacks
20).Texas A&M Aggies****
21).AUBURN TIGERS
22).CLEMSON TIGERS****
23).Colorado Buffaloes****(already relocated to Pac 10)
24).OLE MISS REBELS
25).BYU Cougars

Isnt it amazing how many historically high profile teams are involved in expansion? This is truly history.

TDave

June 14th, 2010
7:51 am

Last comment didn’t make it through for some reason.

1. If it was about academics, the Pac 10 would be inviting UC San Diego, UC Santa Barbara, UC Davis, and UC Irvine.

2. Until there are plans for a “Pac 16 Science Fair” or a “Pac 16 Creative Writing Competition” this remains about football money. Lots of football money.

Mike Silve

June 14th, 2010
9:04 am

BIG XII – you should remain quiet since no one cares what you have to say and will no longer exist in couple of weeks. Your conference is dead because everyone wants to be like the my conference – the SEC. We make money and win championships….BCS era – the SEC has 6 of the 12 championships. I think the Big 12 got 1 during that time…

Texas killed the SouthWest conference and now it has killed the BigXII. My conference needs to think about what and who should be added but it does not need Texas and we will be fine without them.

Nerds from the North Avenue Trade School – wake up – you suck, and your conference sucks, and your attendance and draw will eliminate you from coming to my conference – not that I would ever invite you willingly. My SEC will only ask you if it becomes desperate like the Big XII. Florida might not get a choice in turning down FSU and Miami if Texas, Oklahoma, and company go to the Pac-10. They will be looking to add more market share and we want to look in a place where we can add TV market share and viewers. That will not be Atlanta where you only sell out your games against my conference. Hell you don’t even travel to your teams conference championship game or the BCS bowl. More UGA fans went to Shreveport than the combined fans of your powerhouse school for both the conference championship and BCS. So you should leave the UGA boys alone.

masa

June 14th, 2010
9:10 am

I would rather Texas and Texas A&M go to the “Pac 16″. when I think of the SEC I think of great football and dumb people. Back when Texas and A&M left the Southwest Conference they said the reason they did not go to the SEC was that the SEC academic standards were not up to par with Texas and A&M’s. Both Texas and Texs A&M are tier one schoold and the leaders in engineering and business. Many programs top ten in the country. UCLA, USC, Berkley top academic powerhouses.

J_A

June 14th, 2010
9:50 am

Masa,
As far as academic rankings go, Texas would be tied for 2nd in the SEC, while A&M would be 5th.

1. Vandy 17
T2. Florida 47
T2. Texas 47
4. Georgia 58
5. Texas A&M 61

They are the highest ranked Big XII schools and rank behind a few SEC schools. So one could easily make the case that the SEC has better football (foregone conclusion) and better academics.

Brusierbrody

June 14th, 2010
11:10 am

You SEC homers are right you have won 4 straight national titles, and guess what? You still have to ask teams to join your league. I hope the SEC commissars are smarter than their fans and understands what is going on. No one cares about your football programs, they only care about you checks, and right now your checks are smaller than the weak Big 10. You just signed a new TV contract so you cannot get anymore money from there, but every team the Big 10 adds could increase each teams share. No one WANTS to join your conference except for teams that would dilute your conference. To see the comments here you would think the SEC could just show off their trophy case and schools would come running. Not going to happen.

Dawg Trainer

June 14th, 2010
11:31 am

Seems like the Dawg Trainer needs to train some posters other than Dawgs.

Here’s the bottom line. Joe the Average Fan doesn’t give a hemorrhoidal damn if Alabama/Florida/LSU/Georgia/Tennessee/Auburn is Tier 1, Tier 2, or Tier 38…as long as they win football games, life is peachy. Now the Dawg Trainer cares somewhat since he works at a university, and research dollars are the lifeblood of colleges/universities.

But athletically? NOBODY CARES. You find me 10 Georgia Bulldog fans and 10 Georgia Tech fans. If more than 3 KNEW what tier their institution/team they root for was on, I’ll give you a thousand bucks!

SEC Fan

June 14th, 2010
11:51 am

Texas A & M will probably be SEC bound by mid week, if not tomorrow. That gives the opening to add Florida State, Miami or Clemson to the mix.

SEC Fan

June 14th, 2010
11:53 am

Bruiser, The SEC just awarded each team $17.3 million. The PAC 10 gave almost $10m. Don’t forget a school MUST be invited to join a conference and don’t think for a moment schools have lined up asking to be considered. If bigger schools join the SEC, then more revenue.

DAWG Fan

June 14th, 2010
11:57 am

I would like to see Texas in the SEC. I used to live in Texas and I always thought the Longhorns and Sooners had a fairly easy road to the BCS games. Playing in the SEC will test the Horns week after week and if any team is capable of going through an SEC schedule undefeated then rightfully they should play for the title. Texas going to the PAC 10(16) will ensure them football supremacy for years to follow and Mack Brown will eventually get bored with having a undefeated regular season year after year only to get blasted by a SEC team. Man up Texas and come to where football is really played.

Ted

June 14th, 2010
3:01 pm

SEC should add:

TxA&M and Mizzou in West.
VaTech and WVU in East.

Each is a new market for the SEC. Each is in a state which has no current SEC team but borders at least one SEC state.

FSU, Miami, GT and Clemson are redundant (and UF will veto another Florida school). VaTech can easily play in another conference than UVA – since they did that for decades before joining ACC. All are competitive in football and basketball as well as other sports (e.g. TxA&M in track and field). All have solid, albeit not great, APR scores and all fit in with the rest of the SEC in terms of college rankings from US News (61, 71, 102 – only WVU is Tier 3 and schools like LSU, UK and Ark are at 128 (bottom of Tier 2)).

In the end, expansion is about money. And the SEC should only do so in a way to increase their profile. Adding major schools in Texas, Missouri, Virginia and West Virginia is the best way to do so (if they do anything) rather than creating redundant markets in Florida, Georgia and/or S. Carolina. N. Carloina (state) would be nice – but doubtful you can get UNC without Duke or NCSU and Wake and ECU are too small.

OB-1

June 18th, 2010
3:01 pm

I don’t know if anyone will ever read this but I’ll post it antway.
You SEC fans really get me, I have to admire the way you stand up for your conference but really your top heavy with 2-3 great schools then 5-6 schools that any given year will stand up and be counted and 3 schools that just show up and put people in uniforms. Then when an ACC fan stands up for the ACC you ridicule them. I am an ACC fan first, last, and always, but also being a southerner I root for the SEC and would love nothing more than to se the two merge as a 32 team mega/super conference and demanding 3 or even 4 BCS slots. Hey guys after all the old Southern Conference spawned both the SEC and then the ACC so there is a connection for many schools in both conferences. The only schools that I can see leaving the ACC anytime soon would be VT, GT, or maybe Clemson. I wouldn’t bet on any of them to leave or even be asked. They wouldn’t want to leave to go and play UF, Bama, and UGA every year and not make the BCS. Why would the SEC ask them, if these were to join what is the likelihood of a school running the table and going undefeated? The real logical choices would be those second tier schools that put competitive teams on the field to up the SOS of in conference games, those teams like LSU, Auburn, and Arkansas who on any given year could jump up and slap down the bigger fish outside the conference or even in conference. You would need schools like Maryland, UVA, UNC, and Wake of the ACC or maybe Syracuse, which had a few glory years and in the right conference to help draw recruits could again, and maybe U Conn, up and coming in football and basketball speaks for itself, in the Big East, or Missouri and A&M in the Big 12?.

Kevin in Dallas

June 19th, 2010
10:23 pm

The SEC is pushing hard for Texas. There are boosters who are in favor of this. I expect Texas and Texas A&M to join by 2015 at the latest.

Hey Dog, Did You See the Size of that Chicken

June 22nd, 2010
3:15 pm

Texas is the biggest chicken in college football. Now they have their own conference, the BEVO 10. Bravo to the PAC 12 Commish for NOT allowing them to dictate terms. No conference championship in the BEVO 10. Still all they have to do is Beat Oklahoma. Between the two of them they have 2 Championships in the last 39 years.

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