Why Texas has to listen to the SEC

When the history of college football is written, June 10-11, 2010 will be remembered as two very important days. Today, in fact, could end up being one of the most significant days in the history of the sport. Here is where I think we are this morning:

1. The Pac-16 deal is not done yet. Colorado has left for the Pac-10 (a good move). Nebraska should announce today that it is leaving for the Big Ten (another good move for Nebraska but not for the Big 12). There have been various reports that if those two things happened, five other current members of the Big 12 (Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State) would leave to go to the Pac-10. That deal is not done yet because….

2. Texas must listen to what the SEC has to say: Texas and Texas A&M officials met on Thursday in a attempt to salvage the Big 12. They didn’t find a way. That could certainly still be done by bringing on TCU and another worthy school. But I talked to several people last night who said there is a rift developing between Texas and Texas A&M over where to go if the Big 12 breaks up. Texas A&M athletics director Bill Byrne wants to listen to the SEC. Former Alabama coach Gene Stallings, who lives in the area, is a member of the Texas A&M Board of Regents and tells Byrne that the SEC will be a much better fit for the Aggies. Would the political class  in Austin allow the Longhorns and the Aggies to go in different directions?

Sorry, Baylor. You had better hope that the Big 12 stays together. By inviting Colorado seperately, the Pac-10 has effectively squeezed the Bears out of this process.

3. There is a potential deal breaker out there for Texas and the Pac-10: Texas athletics director DeLoss Dodds has long talked about setting up the Longhorns’ own television network for those events not covered by the bigger network packages. The Pac-10 financial model, which will look like the Big Ten’s, would not allow for that. The SEC will point out that in their league, schools are allowed to have their own networks and to keep the money they make. The Pac-10 could make some financial concessions to Texas to take this into account.

4. The SEC will not feel threatened by a Pac-16: Even if Texas comes on board and the other Big 12 schools follow to form the Pac-16, the SEC will not feel compelled to expand. But if the Big Ten, which is expected to add Nebraska today, goes to 16 then the SEC will have some very tough decisions to make. A report by Teddy Greenstein in the Chicago Tribune said that the Big Ten could potentially double the money earned from its TV deals and Big Ten network if the right five teams are brought into the league. So if you’re an SEC fan, keep your eye on the Big Ten. Also if you’re an ACC fan, keep your eye on the Big Ten. Because if the SEC feels it HAS to expand and the Texas schools are not available, the ACC will become vulnerable.

5. The Big Ten could have one last card to play with Notre Dame: It goes something like this. Nebraska comes on board to expand the footprint to the West. Then the Big Ten raids the Big East for Syracuse, Rutgers, and Pittsburgh to lock up some Eastern markets. There is one slot left to form the Big 16. Notre Dame can fill that slot but the Irish brass has to ask for it. Notre Dame will understand that if it shows no interest, the slot goes to Missouri. How would you like to be Missouri and have to sweat that one out? A couple of weeks ago it looked like Missouri was a lock for the Big Ten.

One bonus thought: Almost lost in the shuffle of these events is the fact that the USC football program was almost put out of business yesterday. The loss of 30 scholarships over three years, with a cap of only 15 a year, is huge. The NCAA wanted to send a message. And it did. And of course all the parties involved–Pete Carroll, Reggie Bush–are shocked, SHOCKED, that these sort of penalties could be handed down.

The NCAA didn’t give USC the death penalty, but it was close.

And by the way: After what happened yesterday with the football and men’s basketball programs at USC, how in the world does athletics director Mike Garrett keep his job?

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CanadianWolf

June 11th, 2010
1:35 pm

@ga gator: Yes, I am assuming that Nebraska will join the Big Ten Conference today.
Texas wants to join the Big Ten Conference for the academic prestige & research co-operation of the Big Ten’s (plus Univ. of Chicago) CIC. Research money is huge in the Big Ten, which is the only conference in the country in which all members (including Nebraska)belong to the AAU (Assoc. of American Universities). The AAU is a group of 63 universities that do significant research.

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
1:37 pm

Larry M, your reasoning for adding schools is correct. However, VA Tech does not deliver anything except the huge Blacksburg market. If you want Northern VA, you need Maryland and UVA.

SEC will get jobbed

June 11th, 2010
1:42 pm

Hilarious to watch as the big bad SEC gets used for leverage as Texas looks West…listen rednecks, they aren’t coming!

And the ACC schools that the SEC thinks will automatically jump if asked? As of today, Miami and VT have openly stated they are not leaving the SEC. FSU is not leaving because they have an easier path to the national championship in the ACC. GT and Clemson wont be asked because the SEC ‘already owns’ Atlanta and SC right? Sure, sure…

Have fun with Memphis and Lousville SEC fans. May be you can pick up some leftovers from the Big 12 minus 3 i.e. Kansas and Kansas State. They just scream SEC don’t they?

CanadianWolf

June 11th, 2010
1:44 pm

The only SEC school that is an AAU member is Florida. Georgia Tech just became the 63rd member this year. Research grants can be much larger than football revenues; for example, Michigan State recently received a one billion dollar research grant (equal to about 50 years of Big Ten athletic revenue sharing of $20 million per year). Only about 35 of the 63 member universities of the AAU play big-time college football of which 12 are in the Big Ten. Notre Dame is not an AAU member, but the Big Ten indicated that the conference would make an exception for Notre Dame if it wanted to join the Big Ten Conference.

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
1:44 pm

I am aware of the what the AAU is all about Canada wolf, UF has been a member since 1985. I hate to tell you though; this is about TV revenue and nothing else or Texas would just stay in what’s left of the Big 12 and add perhaps TCU, Baylor or SMU who used to belong to the old SW Conference.

Boise Dawg

June 11th, 2010
1:46 pm

Didn’t Texas already accept an offer to come to the SEC back in 1990, but the Texas legislature blocked it? I don’t think they are coming to the SEC, but I have to laugh at those that say academics in the SEC is a non-starter for Texas. Go check out the Big XII academic rankings… sorry but the SEC has better rankings head to head from top to bottom. UT is the #1 rated academic school in the Big XII, but they would not be in the SEC. Also Big XII has three schools considered Tier 3 in Kansas St. Oklahoma St. and Texas Tech. So someone please explain why Texas wouldn’t be an academic fit in the SEC?

rebman76

June 11th, 2010
1:46 pm

Well, you can forget Boise State joining the Big 12 because cbssports.com just reported that teh Broncos have accepted an invite to the Mountain West Conference. It was posted about 5 mins ago.

learn something everyday

June 11th, 2010
1:47 pm

http://www.cnbc.com/id/37636000

Here look at this and see if you still believe all this super/mega conference bull. SEC championship generated 14.5 million last year. That is the final peice of the pie everyone is trying to get. The conferences making the moves are the ones that do not currently have a championship game which is why the ACC + SEC and sitting still.

They will all goto 12 and stop. It is all about the money, we all agree on that. but once you get past 12 the monetary formula is unknown and may actually be a downside.

Really and truely there is only one real prize, Texas. And its better intrests are to stand pat and reform their Big 12. If the Big East can survive loosing their 3 best teams (debateable i know) then surely Tex/Okla/A&M can survive loosing Nebraska & Colorado.

The landscape will change but the sky will not fall.

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
1:47 pm

You are incorrect as Vanderbilt is also has been a member since 1950. And jabbed, yea they scream like Texas and Oklahoma has the last two years in the BCS Championship game.

rebman76

June 11th, 2010
1:47 pm

Actually, it is breaking news on their site. It’s at the top.

rebman76

June 11th, 2010
1:48 pm

New Expanded SEC

June 11th, 2010
1:51 pm

SEC is poised to add:

Southern Miss
Lousiania Tech
Memphis
USF

This will make the SEC the best football conference in America and also raise the academic profile of the conference with Louisiana Tech and Memphis.

No FSU

June 11th, 2010
1:52 pm

I don’t think it would be wise for Georgia to want FSU in the SEC. FSU already gets several players from south Georgia. I believe that they would get even more if they were part of the SEC. I’m talking about the Valdosta, Thomasville, Bainbridge, Cairo, Albany areas mainly.

CamdenMark

June 11th, 2010
1:54 pm

We don’t want/need any stinking Texans in our SEC.
Go west to the irrelevent PAC whatever,good place for ‘em.

Larry M

June 11th, 2010
1:54 pm

@Ric Flair re: Va Tech

Yes, they are in dinky Blacksburg and you would get more of the NOVA/DC/Baltimore market if you were to nab UVA or UMd. But I spent 10 years living in DC and there is a significant Va Tech population there. When the Washington Post covers college football, it is usually about Va Tech. But I don’t see UVA or UMd fitting in as well in the SEC as Va Tech. I’m just saying among the ACC schools, Va Tech or NC State are the most logical targets.

Big Tex

June 11th, 2010
1:54 pm

The Horns don’t plan on making any trips to places like Starkville and Tuskaloosa anytime soon. We require indoor plumbing and airports folks.

aggie94

June 11th, 2010
1:56 pm

A&M to SEC, Maybe ou too.

aggie94

June 11th, 2010
1:58 pm

ou sure has been quiet…..seems smart might be working on some backroom deal like when they formed the big 12 with tu

BlueDawg

June 11th, 2010
1:58 pm

It is pointless to talk about GT coming back into the SEC. Forget UGA vetoing it, As a dawg I would love it if Tech was a conference game again. Tech was a founding member of the SEC, but there is no way that Bama ever lets Tech back into the SEC.

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
1:59 pm

Tide Rising—-

As as an alumnus of the other Blue & Orange University in Charlottesville, I can only say that I am sure the West-by-God-Virginia football fans were not amused.

Wahoo-wa!

neil anderson

June 11th, 2010
1:59 pm

If u are BIg 10 w/ Neb, hard to understand not taking Mizzou and Kansas (why not KU – good fit – greatly raises hoops bar w/ Izzo gone), then Pitt and one last slot for ND. That’s strong!

SEC best fits = FSU, Louisville, WVa, and Clemson, but might settle for Cinn or Houston, if Clem won’t leave ACC.

ACC left with adding (if just lose FSU) Rutgers, Syracuse, and UConn…done at 14.

Just b/c Pac 10 goes w/ 16 does not mean ACC, Big 10, and SEC have to reach 16.
In fact, 14 would be better – less schools to spread money around – keep quality higher- AND keep a rivalry game from other side/div of conference.

T3

June 11th, 2010
2:03 pm

Well the just released news that the Mountian West has extended an invite to Boise State makes it appear that, maybe, just maybe, the Big12 might just survive.

The MW was waiting to see who might be a Big12 cast-off to invite.
Now that Boise State has the MW invite, maybe that means there wont be any Big12 cast-offs besides Colorado and the Big12 will survive somehow afterall.

The rushed press release today that Houston is building big new football AND basketball facilities might also be part of an “orchestrated” effort to save the Big12.

Maybe.

SC

June 11th, 2010
2:07 pm

The thing is if the Pac-16 forms as predicted, they very likely will get two bcs bowl bids, and the Big 10 would do the same if they went to 16, they would both have conference championship games, and would end up easily surpassing the amount the SEC rakes in.

SEC fans are very diehard about their football programs though, and I’m curious what it would take for you guys not to consider yourself the best football conference (not saying the SEC isn’t the best football conference right now, but just curious at what point would you consider another conference superior). From the way some of you guys talk you think there should be 4 automatic BCS bids for the SEC 5 from the other conferences and one at large, with the national championship game always being two SEC teams, with every non conference game played being against a high school team.

Boise Dawg

June 11th, 2010
2:09 pm

T3 I don’t think Boise going to the MWC is an indication that the Big 12 may stay intact. The only teams the Mountain West thought they had even a remote shot at getting and wanted were Nebraska and Colorado. Nebraska was a pipe dream, but both them and Colorado clearly wanted out of the Big XII. Once it became apparent that those schools were off the table the MWC pulled the trigger on Boise. Kansas isn’t coming to the Mountain West and who else that they could even get would they want at this point?

aggie94

June 11th, 2010
2:09 pm

Couger High should stick to CSA. Houston is full o Ags and Horns not coogs.

Da A

June 11th, 2010
2:14 pm

SEC is going after A&M & Va Tech. They will get both. The other two teams are an unknown?

G8R GRAD

June 11th, 2010
2:27 pm

Tide Rising:

Go Cavs!

Great stuff.

timthebrave

June 11th, 2010
2:29 pm

It’s about money. If anyone offers the schools more money they will take it. The end

Tide Rising

June 11th, 2010
2:30 pm

Ric Flair and gatorzone,

I was pretty tanked but more than that I was just having fun with the WVU fans. Voice was gone the next day, couldn’t speak, and my throat was sore. But it was fun knowing I could rile up about 5,000 WVU fans. I’m a pretty big man but I was just lucky none of them grizzly adams fellers bear hugged me to death.

learn something everyday

June 11th, 2010
2:31 pm

http://www.coveritlive.com/index2.php/option=com_altcaster/task=viewaltcast/template=JournalStar001/altcast_code=0bdef769a2/draft=y/width=790/height=585

Live from the Nebraska board of regents. behind closed doors for last 30mins so nothing of intrest yet.

And then there is this :
http://www.kansascity.com/2010/06/11/2009414/nebraska-bolts-for-the-big-ten.html

they say it was confirmed this morning. But considering some of the bs that has been comming out of Kansas City the last 24-48 hrs I will wait on the 1st link to tell me.

Tide Rising

June 11th, 2010
2:35 pm

Atlanta Gator,

At first the WVU fans were amused cause they thought there’s some drunk guy that doesn’t know the difference between the cavaliers from virginia and the mountaineers from West Virginia and so they just tried to sort of correct me. Then they caught on that I was just messin with em. Well, then they weren’t amused. More like annoyed as hell.

T3

June 11th, 2010
2:35 pm

Houston was once a dominant program in both basketball and football, and isnow clearly on the return.

Anyone remember Heisman Winner Andre Ware, or Phi Slamma Jamma ?

Houston is the 3rd largest university in Texas
behind ONLY Texas and Texas A&M.

With an undergrad enrolllment of over 38,000,
Houston is larger than every single SEC team except Florida.

Just sayin.

CamdenMark

June 11th, 2010
2:36 pm

One BCS bid to a conference boys.

papadawg

June 11th, 2010
2:39 pm

We’re headed for a one World Government so we might as well have a one World College Sports Conference

Neki Ecko

June 11th, 2010
2:39 pm

I think that TAMU is going to leave behind Big Brother to come to SEC with OU. I think that is going to happen soon.

Alphare

June 11th, 2010
2:39 pm

To say Texas joining SEC is a step downward is laughable.

UT/UF/UGA/BAMA are all big bad state colleges, they are not academic juggernauts. Believe me, if they are as good academically as some of you think they are, they won’t be good in Football.

Just ask Harvard and Princeton. You can ask Notre Dame too.

DP

June 11th, 2010
2:43 pm

aggie94, the Dallas Morning News quotes the Oklahoma AD saying that OU splitting from Texas would be a big mistake. It also said that while Texas A&M was considering the SEC it was most likely to go with the rest to the Pac 10.

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
2:47 pm

Neal Anderson—-

You are correct, sir. SEC expansion only makes sense if the new programs actually add viewers. Furthermore, if you can add more viewers, and more revenue, it also makes more sense to keep the pool of distributees smaller. Past 12 members, any new member must generate more than 1/12 of the present income in additional bowl receipts or television revenue. How you generate additional bowl receipts is obvious: does the new member regularly get invited to a major bowl? Okay, let’s talk about Florida State, Texas, Virginia Tech. Miami used to get invited regularly, but they haven’t recently and they’re otherwise a bad fit (i.e. miserable home attendance and few traveling fans).

How do you generate more television revenue? Well, the new member(s) must either increase the conference’s footprint geographically into new major television markets (Missouri, North Carolina, Texas, Texas A&M, Virginia Tech), or they must bring additional brand recognition to the conference justifying better-paying television network contracts. The national marquee names are Florida State, Oklahoma and Texas, and to a lesser extent, Texas A&M.

Georgia Tech would add neither new geographic television markets or a national marquee name. Clemson might help marginally in the Carolina markets.

Adding new schools without increasing revenue by a greater amount than the additional 1/x revenue distribution share makes no damn sense. Expansion for the sake of expansion is a loser. Rationally examined, there are really only a handful of logical candidates for the SEC to pursue, plus those “package deal” schools that might get dragged along with the better expansion bid candidates.

I don’t think FSU will accept an SEC bid because they see an easier route back to big-time bowls and possible BCS bids through the ACC than through the SEC. Texas is a proud sports program and appears to be leaning toward the Pac-10; Oklahoma and Oklahoma State want to follow Texas. Texas A&M might, in fact, be better off in the SEC than in the new Pac-11+, and would finally get out from under the Longhorns’ shadow in the same way that FSU got away from Florida by joining the ACC. The Aggies would also add new Texas television markets for the SEC; they probably make sense.

Well, who else then? Virginia Tech, maybe, and they would add the Richmond and Washington television markets. Do they want to join the SEC? I don’t have a clue—-but, if Texas A&M accepts, ask the Hokies next, and Clemson after that.

You can make a run at North Carolina, but I doubt they would accept. They are a primarily a basketball school, and leaving the ACC would upset all of their traditional sports rivalries. Duke makes no sense from a football standpoint, but would never accept unless UNC jumped first. Wake Forest and NC State would add nothing, either in terms of major national following or much fan depth in television markets, and certainly nothing in terms of national following. Virginia might add something in the Richmond and DC markets, but they have a very short history of competitive top-25 football under George Welsh (now retired). Missouri would add the St. Louis television market, but their move to the Big Ten looks like a done deal. West Virginia? Well, they would add the West Virginia television market (smaller than either Arkansas or Mississippi markets), but what they heck do they offer in terms of major bowls, new television markets and a national following? Adding WVU looks like a wash at best, and probably actually reduces distribution shares.

No, guys, it is a very short list of logical candidates for SEC expansion. If I were Mike Slive, I would be burning up the phone lines to Austin, College Station and Blacksburg, then maybe Clemson. Get Texas, you get Texas A&M and probably Oklahoma. You may still get Texas A&M without Texas. Virginia Tech might jump, but you would need another team to get to an even number—-Clemson?

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
2:53 pm

Tide Rising—-

There’s a reason why they call it “West-by-God Virginia”—-on both sides of the mountain.

learn something everyday

June 11th, 2010
2:55 pm

For those of you who can’t hear it, Pearlman from Neb is requesting to move to Big 10 and blaming the breakup of the B12 on Mizzo. He used the exact words breakup of the big 12

Delbert D.

June 11th, 2010
2:57 pm

I like this quote from Pete Thamel of the NY Times in his article today:

“WHAT’S NEXT?”
” In the short term, the Pac-10 appears to be on course to expand to 16 teams by early next week. Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech seem likely to join Colorado in the Pac-10. Twitter jokes about having the conference’s west and east division named Surf and Turf have already popped up.”

Surf and Turf…great! I’m still trying to decide on 16-PAC or Best Western for the conference name.

learn something everyday

June 11th, 2010
2:57 pm

Harvey Perlman: asking regents to OK move to Big Ten
Perlman: We’re not responsible for Big 12 breakup.
Perlman: Nebraska did not start this discussion. Saw reports of Mizzou wanting to leave Big 12
Perlman: Colorado being poised to enter Pac-10 was a risk to Big 12
Perlman: “We thought Nebraska was in a very vulnerable position.”
Perlman: We reached out to Big 10 and spoke to them about implications.
Harvey Perlman on if the Big 12 collapses: “I do not believe that we bear that responsibility. One school leaving a conference does not destroy a conference”
Perlman: At Big 12 meeting, it was confirmed discussions were taking place about Big 12 losses to Pac-10, Big 10

learn something everyday

June 11th, 2010
3:00 pm

Perlman: After Big 12 meeting, Tom and I met with Big 10, who agreed it made sense for Neb to move to Big 10
Perlman to regents: We will seek full academic and athletic integration with the Big 10 if you approve this
Perlman: We want to begin competition in Big 10 in 2012.

Neki Ecko

June 11th, 2010
3:01 pm

@DP,

I dont think that nobody is buying that, besides being with Texas isnt the greatest thing in the world. I think that Mike Silve is using that issues to try to sway the TAMU to SEC.

learn something everyday

June 11th, 2010
3:01 pm

Perlman: Academically, we would be integrated with Big 10 immediately
Todd Henrichs: I think Kevin mistyped. Perlman said he would like to begin in 2011. Just one more season in Big 12.
Perlman: We’ll have a seat on Big 10 board of directors
Perlman: I think we are, as an institution, more aligned with Big 10, especially academically

Your mom at my house

June 11th, 2010
3:02 pm

BIG 10 is still irrelevant and adding failing programs will not help. ACC you have always been sad and will continue to be. Texas is use to having an easy schedule and so may choose to not play with the real football powers in the SEC. Techster needs to get a job and life as tech is a joke in football ( ask UGA and LSU). You have no clue what texas will or won’t do and to be so insistant that you have inside information is laughable. You have no clue as I am sure they don’t yet know. Get a job and move out of your parent’s house for starters.

Atlanta Gator

June 11th, 2010
3:02 pm

Larry M—-

I just read your comments on the previous page and they echo what I was typing after you had posted. If the SEC can’t get Texas, Texas A&M and Virginia Tech make the most sense from the perspective of new television markets. If you can’t get Texas A&M, then add Virginia Tech and Florida State—-FSU would add a national marquee name and a national television following. If you can’t get FSU to go with Virginia Tech, then grab Clemson to complete the package and call it a day at the new SEC-14.

Bottom line, for SEC expansion to make sense, I think you need to get at least one of Texas, Texas A&M, Virginia Tech or Florida State, and then get to an even number.

learn something everyday

June 11th, 2010
3:04 pm

Perlman: I look forward to taking part in Committee on Institutional Cooperation, the Big 10’s academic arm
Perlman: Big Ten Network will allow more people to see NU games and NU gets academic programming on that network
Perlman: “This will bring Nebraska the stability that the Big 12 cannot offer.”
Perlman: “We would most likely not have another option” if Big 12 dissolves”

learn something everyday

June 11th, 2010
3:05 pm

Perlman: “The Big Ten Network will be carrying our games across the landscape of Nebraska”
Perlman: We will miss the longtime rivalries within Big 12
Perlman: On Big 12 penalty for withdrawal, “any penalty imposed on the University of Nebraska” would be inappropriate”

Okay Perlman is done and the AD Osborne is taking over now.

Tide Rising

June 11th, 2010
3:08 pm

Atlanta Gator and others,

One other thing that I found interesting is that Missouri was practically begging to get into the Big 10. Big 10 doesn’t want them and won’t take them. To me that is amazing because Missouri is one of the few states in the country that has 2 large cities Kansas City and St. Louis and hence you would think its a big tv market. In the SEC only florida for example has 2 cities large enough to support pro sports franchises. tennessee maybe to a lesser degree with nashville and Memphis.

Of course Mizzou has always underachieved especially relative to a traditionally elite program like Nebraska but it still amazes me that the big 10 would not take mizzou. I suspect it can only be due to the fact that maybe its academics or maybe those 2 cities are mainly pro sports towns. Even then I would guess that everybody in that state would be a Mizzou fan for college since its the only big state college similar to LSU or Nebraska in their respective states.

Just by population #s and with 2 large cities you would think they would have a decent recruiting groundcertainly far larger than Nebraska which has no large cities and is mainly an agricultural state. Odd that Mizzou has never ever mounted a consistently good football program with these built in advantages. Anyone know why the big 10 refused them or more interestingly why a program with such built in advantages has forever generally sucked in football?