Why Texas has to listen to the SEC

When the history of college football is written, June 10-11, 2010 will be remembered as two very important days. Today, in fact, could end up being one of the most significant days in the history of the sport. Here is where I think we are this morning:

1. The Pac-16 deal is not done yet. Colorado has left for the Pac-10 (a good move). Nebraska should announce today that it is leaving for the Big Ten (another good move for Nebraska but not for the Big 12). There have been various reports that if those two things happened, five other current members of the Big 12 (Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State) would leave to go to the Pac-10. That deal is not done yet because….

2. Texas must listen to what the SEC has to say: Texas and Texas A&M officials met on Thursday in a attempt to salvage the Big 12. They didn’t find a way. That could certainly still be done by bringing on TCU and another worthy school. But I talked to several people last night who said there is a rift developing between Texas and Texas A&M over where to go if the Big 12 breaks up. Texas A&M athletics director Bill Byrne wants to listen to the SEC. Former Alabama coach Gene Stallings, who lives in the area, is a member of the Texas A&M Board of Regents and tells Byrne that the SEC will be a much better fit for the Aggies. Would the political class  in Austin allow the Longhorns and the Aggies to go in different directions?

Sorry, Baylor. You had better hope that the Big 12 stays together. By inviting Colorado seperately, the Pac-10 has effectively squeezed the Bears out of this process.

3. There is a potential deal breaker out there for Texas and the Pac-10: Texas athletics director DeLoss Dodds has long talked about setting up the Longhorns’ own television network for those events not covered by the bigger network packages. The Pac-10 financial model, which will look like the Big Ten’s, would not allow for that. The SEC will point out that in their league, schools are allowed to have their own networks and to keep the money they make. The Pac-10 could make some financial concessions to Texas to take this into account.

4. The SEC will not feel threatened by a Pac-16: Even if Texas comes on board and the other Big 12 schools follow to form the Pac-16, the SEC will not feel compelled to expand. But if the Big Ten, which is expected to add Nebraska today, goes to 16 then the SEC will have some very tough decisions to make. A report by Teddy Greenstein in the Chicago Tribune said that the Big Ten could potentially double the money earned from its TV deals and Big Ten network if the right five teams are brought into the league. So if you’re an SEC fan, keep your eye on the Big Ten. Also if you’re an ACC fan, keep your eye on the Big Ten. Because if the SEC feels it HAS to expand and the Texas schools are not available, the ACC will become vulnerable.

5. The Big Ten could have one last card to play with Notre Dame: It goes something like this. Nebraska comes on board to expand the footprint to the West. Then the Big Ten raids the Big East for Syracuse, Rutgers, and Pittsburgh to lock up some Eastern markets. There is one slot left to form the Big 16. Notre Dame can fill that slot but the Irish brass has to ask for it. Notre Dame will understand that if it shows no interest, the slot goes to Missouri. How would you like to be Missouri and have to sweat that one out? A couple of weeks ago it looked like Missouri was a lock for the Big Ten.

One bonus thought: Almost lost in the shuffle of these events is the fact that the USC football program was almost put out of business yesterday. The loss of 30 scholarships over three years, with a cap of only 15 a year, is huge. The NCAA wanted to send a message. And it did. And of course all the parties involved–Pete Carroll, Reggie Bush–are shocked, SHOCKED, that these sort of penalties could be handed down.

The NCAA didn’t give USC the death penalty, but it was close.

And by the way: After what happened yesterday with the football and men’s basketball programs at USC, how in the world does athletics director Mike Garrett keep his job?

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Simple Techster

June 11th, 2010
12:35 pm

Here is a good football question…..Since it seems most people in here are SEC fans, step outside the box for a moment. Say you are the ACC commissioner….what do you do? Do you wait for the Big10 and the SEC to make a move….or do you solidify yourself by trying to nab some more schools in the northeast before the big10 does? East Carolina? West Virginia? Do you try and lure a SEC team away?(Seriously, quit laughing) What do you do?

Bama

June 11th, 2010
12:39 pm

“Simple Techster” No SEC schools are leaving the conf. I do think making a move for some Big East schools wouldn’t be a terrible idea though. If I’m the ACC, I’d be looking at Louisville, WUV, and UConn.

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
12:39 pm

Techster, I would try to get Syracuse, Rutgers and USF. The only 2 SEC schools that might consider would be Kentucky and Vanderbilt.

Tide Rising

June 11th, 2010
12:41 pm

ga gator,

Naw! I don’t think Patrick is in the house. If he were we would have already had a bevy of statistics on Coach Richt and I would already have been reminded that Richt is 3-1 against Bama.

rabiddawg

June 11th, 2010
12:41 pm

If the SEC does expand, why not make a run at UNC? Although the expansion is all about football, their program is on the rise and a trendy pick in the ACC. Basketball program would give SEC instant credibility. Can you imagine UNC v KY yearly within the conference? Also would help with the larger markets in North Kakalacky.. Now just add maybe FSU or VT and you have an even better conference all around in all sports, not just football. Just a thought..

Jeff

June 11th, 2010
12:41 pm

Tony, while there are times I utterly dislike the articles you write when it clearly shows you have a clear favorite- I LOVE your thoughts and insighs in articles like this one. I am gladd the NCAA did what they did to USC- the darlings of college football are nothing but cheap cheaters. One question- why would Texas not want to come to the SEC- seems like more rivalries (Hogs especially) plus many others to be…..

Apolleaux

June 11th, 2010
12:42 pm

Academics, really Simple Techster? The SEC is Football Heaven, we could give a rats ass about academics. Give me 25mill for winning the National Championship and I’ll buy some damn academics.

this be all ins fun cuz we’s really due likes ackiedemics, pppfffffttt

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
12:43 pm

Dave in Tampa, the only reason VT got into the ACC was because the ACC needed UVA’s vote to get to 7 (then the conference was 9 and seven votes were required to approve expansion – Duke and UNC opposed). The Gov. of VA at the time said that VT was needed for UVA to vote to approve it so the ACC dropped Syracuse in favor of VT to buy UVA’s vote. I don’t see VT being able to leave now without UVA as the governor would not allow it to happen.

[...] Texas and Texas A&M officials met on Thursday in a attempt to salvage the Big 12. They didn’t find a way. That could certainly still be done by bringing on TCU and another worthy school. But I talked to several people last night who said there is a rift developing between Texas and Texas A&M over where to go if the Big 12 breaks up. Texas A&M athletics director Bill Byrne wants to listen to the SEC. Former Alabama coach Gene Stallings, who lives in the area, is a member of the Texas A&M Board of Regents and tells Byrne that the SEC will be a much better fit for the Aggies. Would the political class  in Austin allow the Longhorns and the Aggies to go in different directions? – Atlanta Journal-Constitution [...]

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
12:45 pm

Anonymous, if you want to play nice with terrorists, so be it. Let me know how that works out for you.

And no, the world hasn’t changed. It’s the way it works. If you don’t like it, move to Mars.

learn something everyday

June 11th, 2010
12:46 pm

Wow Simple I think I saw someone actually ask you that question 2 hours ago. Bout time you stopped talking smack.

West Virginia + USF are 2 good quick options. After that it could be murky Syracuse/Rutgers/Pitt good options but may well be targeted by Big 10 who would win the battle vs ACC in all likely hood. But proably not all three so say you get one, after that I dunno, cinncy, louisville, memphis.

Since you are our curent resident ACC homer at this moment who would you want to see. And like the guy above said, raiding the SEC really isn’t a likely scenario and you know it, so lets keep the dreams at bay.

jim in austin

June 11th, 2010
12:47 pm

IL Jacket – I would maintain that as many or more tune in to see ND get beaten as to see them win. Sort of a “Damn Yankees” mentality. That could be true of Texas as well. The problem with ND is that “getting beaten” is almost a given now and viewership has suffered amongst the non-faithful.

As for the BCS, all the merge mania might be driven by an emerging acceptance of the “plus 1″ format for a national championship. The four big remaining 16 team super conference champions could have an automatic lock on bids in one version of that scenario.

[...] The USC football program was almost put out of business yesterday. The loss of 30 scholarships over three years, with a cap of only 15 a year, is huge. The NCAA wanted to send a message. And it did. And of course all the parties involved–Pete Carroll, Reggie Bush–are shocked, SHOCKED, that these sort of penalties could be handed down. The NCAA didn’t give USC the death penalty, but it was close. And by the way: After what happened yesterday with the football and men’s basketball programs at USC, how in the world does athletics director Mike Garrett keep his job? – Atlanta Journal-Constitution [...]

learn something everyday

June 11th, 2010
12:48 pm

okay forgot UConn, good addition for ACC as well.

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
12:48 pm

Tide Patrick hasn’t done that in a while. Those posts are vintage Patrick. I rarely agree with him but the Dude is smart and well read.

Poison Ivy

June 11th, 2010
12:49 pm

Ivy, don’t know what part of the country you’re from but I was actually at a “Tea Party” rally here in Florida early this year (at the invitee of a friend and out of curiousity) and at age 57, I was probably younger than 70-80% there. But that is Florida so I don’t know. I will say that the crowds I saw at other rallies on TV strongly resembled the group I saw here in Florida, overwhelmingly predominately white and older.

Dave In Tampa

June 11th, 2010
12:50 pm

Thanks for the clarification Ric Flair.

As for UNC & Duke joining the SEC I would think it would be more likely Texas & A&M joining than UNC & Duke and I don’t see the Texas schools coming aboard. I would be shocked! Then again you never know!

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
12:50 pm

Some have mentioned West Virgina in the ACC. I hate to profile, but can you just see a Mountaineer talking to a UVA fan or a Dukie. I would pay just to watch that.

[...] The Big Ten could have one last card to play with Notre Dame: It goes something like this. Nebraska comes on board to expand the footprint to the West. Then the Big Ten raids the Big East for Syracuse, Rutgers, and Pittsburgh to lock up some Eastern markets. There is one slot left to form the Big 16. Notre Dame can fill that slot but the Irish brass has to ask for it. Notre Dame will understand that if it shows no interest, the slot goes to Missouri. How would you like to be Missouri and have to sweat that one out? A couple of weeks ago it looked like Missouri was a lock for the Big Ten. – Atlanta Journal-Constitution [...]

Poison Ivy

June 11th, 2010
12:52 pm

Ivy, sorry, saw where you had mentioned Atlanta. My bad.

Sam Osborne

June 11th, 2010
12:52 pm

Texas is going to like the Pac 10 where they will be the power.

Meanwhile, Notre Dames’s fate is only in its hands if it decides to become an irrelevant independent.

Further, the Big Ten is not going to leisurely sit back and take its time in expanding its membership—the dominoes started to fall with Colorado’s switch to the Pac-10.

Early next week, the Big East will have moth holes in it and parts of the ACC will be going into the SEC.

When the dust settles, all of the schools left out will make the best of it and start talking about how wonderful their new status is.

Boise Dawg

June 11th, 2010
12:52 pm

Financially it seems that Texas A&M’s best play is to go with Texas to the Pac-10 and to reap the rewards of a new Pac-10 network. I just read that the A&M athletic department has a lot of debt and is in bad shape financially. The worst thing that could happen for A&M would be for Texas to get their own network. Since the SEC would allow Texas to have such a network and the Pac-10 won’t… why would they want to come to the SEC with Texas? Why would they want to come without Texas and risk losing their biggest rival? It seems Texas should be the one that wants to come to the SEC if the Big 12 can’t be salvaged….not the other way around. If the only reason that A&M is looking at the SEC option is because of influence from Gene Stallings… well then that sounds pretty short sighted to me.

Ivy Leaguer

June 11th, 2010
12:52 pm

Poison, think about what you just said,” you went to one in Florida”, with all the retirees there it doesnt surprise me. In Atlanta, it was totally different, I was among the oldest.

Dave In Tampa

June 11th, 2010
12:52 pm

“Some have mentioned West Virgina in the ACC. I hate to profile, but can you just see a Mountaineer talking to a UVA fan or a Dukie. I would pay just to watch that.”

L.O.L.

learn something everyday

June 11th, 2010
12:53 pm

This would not lead to the + 1 format. Super Big10, Super pac10, super SEC, super ACC. MWC has been making a legitimate argument for last couple years and their congressional reps are in a tizzy over it. They postponed adding Boise to see the fall out, if they pick up the B12 supposed demise’s scrapss (Iowa St, Kasas, K-State, maybe mizzo) plus Boise then they now become the 5th Mega.

no telling what MAC-ConfUSA could do with Big E left over scraps depending on who gets left in the cold. They would have a lesser arguement but would make noise none the less along with the WAC. Unless those three unite to form a level between FBS and FCS.

CanadianWolf

June 11th, 2010
12:55 pm

Texas, Notre Dame, Missouri & Rutgers to the Big Ten Conference. Oklahoma & Texas A&M to the SEC.

SEC Needs Texas Schools

June 11th, 2010
12:55 pm

Addition of the Texas schools will help the SEC in academics and gaining acceptance nationally. It will raise the SEC’s level of respect. Adds class to a bumpkin conference. Plus, the best high school football is played in Texas.

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
12:57 pm

Dave in Tampa, agreed. But I don’t think Texas will go to the SEC (A&M seems possible though, if the reports are accurate – big assumption). I happen to think they’d be fools not to at least talk to the SEC if for no other reason than getting a better deal from Pac 10.

I don’t think Carolina or Duke would leave the ACC. It’s about more than just money with those schools, which is why they opposed ACC expansion back in 2003.

I tend to think the ACC and SEC should both stand pat. There is no need to go to 16 just because. Further, it seems to make sense to me that if 16 is the ultimate goal, just wait and see the mistakes that the other conferences make and learn from them. Heck, Texas might be a free agent again if the Pac 10 screws it up.

Me

June 11th, 2010
12:59 pm

Tide Rising and ga gator. No Patrick hasn’t disappeared, he has simply morphed. I think he was really getting called out for posting the same drivel day after day and people who might have even seen some substance there were probably tired of it. Yeah, he may be “smart” and well read but so was/is Jimmy Carter.

Tide Rising

June 11th, 2010
1:01 pm

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
12:50 pm
Some have mentioned West Virgina in the ACC. I hate to profile, but can you just see a Mountaineer talking to a UVA fan or a Dukie. I would pay just to watch that.

I saw something close to that when I attended a WVU vs GT bowl game in Miami years back. I’m guessing 10 years ago it was the carquest bowl. Anyway, the WVU side looked like a grizzly adams look alike convention and the Tech side looked like well, nerds. I hate to say that cause I like Tech since its the local college team but that’s what it looked like. I was drunk and at the bottom row of the 50 yard line of the upper deck. I was on the WVU side and kept yelling go cavaliers to all the people directly below me on the lower deck. Did it over and over and over and over probably a few thousand of them would look up at this idiot yelling go cavaliers and yell back “No. Its the MOUNTAINEERS”. Eventually the Grizzly Adams types all caught on to the fact that I was just messin with them and eventually learned to quit trying to correct me. But to this do I hold the distinction of probably being the only man to tick off 5,000 grizzly adams lookalikes.

GATORZONE

June 11th, 2010
1:01 pm

ACC should grab USF and WVU

Poison Ivy

June 11th, 2010
1:04 pm

Ivy, yeah that’s true, I didn’t see the one in Atlanta. Just going by the one I saw here in Florida and the ones I saw on TV.

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
1:04 pm

Report that Christian LeMay was suspended. Not sure if that’ll affect his UGA scholarship. Not offering an opinion either. Just forwarding on the report.

http://blogs.onlineathens.com/node/2036

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
1:07 pm

Gotta believe this will affect his ability to graduate early though and enroll at UGA in January 2010.

GATORZONE

June 11th, 2010
1:07 pm

Tide rising, now that is FUNNY!!!
]Go Cavaliers!!!

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
1:07 pm

SEC Needs Texas Schools Addition of the Texas schools will help the SEC in academics and gaining acceptance nationally. It will raise the SEC’s level of respect. Adds class to a bumpkin conference. Plus, the best high school football is played in Texas.

Respect for what? Are you a fool? The Bumpkin conference has won the last 4 NC’s in a row. There are no TV ratings for academics. The SEC does not need Texas and Texas is afraid to go anyway. As for quality of High School Football, Florida and Georgia are pretty damn good. The only reason more players come from Texas is because of the size of your population. Texas has only 3 million more people than Florida and Georgia combined. Course you do have all of those mexicans.

Gary

June 11th, 2010
1:09 pm

Ric Flair – UVA was pressured to vote for Va Tech into the ACC because then Governor Mark Warner was/is a big Tech guy. He is no longer calling the shots in Virginia and is sitting up in DC as a Senator. Va Tech can leave for the SEC if they want too. No one – including the UVA – will stop them.

Ric Flair

June 11th, 2010
1:10 pm

How tanked were you, Tide Rising? Good story, by the way.

[...] Barnhart of The Atlanta Journal-Constitution writes that Texas has to at least listen to what the SEC has to [...]

ga gator

June 11th, 2010
1:14 pm

Canadian wolf your post leaves only 15 teams for the Big 10 since they have 11 now, or are you already counting Nebraska?

Techman

June 11th, 2010
1:14 pm

article on collegefootballtalk.com says VT has no interest in SEC and SEC has not extended an offer.

[...] Barnhart of The Atlanta Journal-Constitution writes that Texas has to at least listen to what the SEC has to [...]

Manny

June 11th, 2010
1:15 pm

2. Texas must listen to what the SEC has to say: . . . . . . And then they will say, “See ya.”

Tony, I know you are doing your job to protect the SEC and stand with CBS, but you are wrong this time. Texas wants to go to a conference where they have the best chance to make the most money and be on top of the conference. Going to the SEC will do neither for them.

Just take ATM and be happy to go after some other non-Big 12 teams.

jj

June 11th, 2010
1:19 pm

tony, will usc fire mike garrett?

Reptiles Rule

June 11th, 2010
1:19 pm

Hey, I’ve got an idea. Now that Colorado and Nebraska have made their move, why doesn’t the Big 12 just pick up two more teams and just let everything else stay the same. Am I wishful thinking here???

Woooahhhhhh

June 11th, 2010
1:22 pm

You’ve already heard it before Tony. Texas won’t go to the SEC, because Texas wouldn’t be the perceived top dog. Austin and Berkeley, yes. College Station and Berkeley, not so much, actually – that combination itself is bipolar opposites. College Station and Oxford, Starksville, Athens, and Gainesville, yes.

learn something everyday

June 11th, 2010
1:22 pm

Rarely will I ever say this but I am with the Reptiles Rule on this one. Let them all get to 12 and squash this nonsense.

Charlie

June 11th, 2010
1:23 pm

“I’m a Texas alum, and Texas will never join the SEC. UT likes being a big fish swimming with minnows; in the SEC they’d be swimming with sharks. They’ll go to the Pathetic-10 where the pickings are much easier.”

66-3. Does that ring a bell?

[...] Barnhart of The Atlanta Journal-Constitution writes that Texas has to at least listen to what the SEC has to [...]

Larry M

June 11th, 2010
1:34 pm

Look folks, expansion is all about revenue and media markets. That much is obvious. For expansion to make sense to the SEC, they must go into a new market in order to increase the pot of money to divide amongst the schools. Going into a market they already saturate will only decrease each school’s payout.

Therefore those of you barking about adding Clemson, FSU, Miami need to get a clue. The SEC is fully saturated in the SC and FL markets. Adding those teams add nothing to the SEC’s pot o’ gold.

There are two markets the SEC would like to grab from the ACC: Charlotte/Greensboro/Raleigh and the Richmond/DC/Baltimore markets. In the latter case, the obvious target is Va Tech. For the other, you target UNC or NC State. I’m not saying any of these teams would leave the ACC – Va Tech may not be able to go without UVA and UNC may be too tied to the basketball tradition to leave. I’m just saying those are the only logical targets.

The other place the SEC can look is west: Texas – Dallas, Houston, etc. These are huge media markets where the SEC has no foothold right now except from what spillover we get from Arkansas and LSU. The SEC has several options here: A&M, Texas, and OU. Any of them would cover the desired markets. Texas and OU seem like the most unlikely targets because they have the least to gain from a partnership with the SEC. A&M has the most and is the more logical choice.

If you add A&M to the West, you need to find someone from the ACC to grab. Va Tech would be the best target for the East.